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Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 04:55 PM
Welcome to the 15th ABR Discussion Thread!

Because we used to burn through new ABR threads so quickly, we created the Discussion thread. All banter goes here, and all comics and non-canon kills go in the main thread. (see line below)

Avatar Battle Royale: We All Live in A Yellow Citadel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88925) is the current thread. Post artwork here.

Trailer for the Fat Fish Fury plot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqh4cOewDNg) by Kpenguin

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Backstory Comics
A story of Death (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63750) By Nameless
Endless (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68208) By Omicroncubed
Remember (http://www.remembercomic.co.uk/) By Lyinginbedmon
The Blast Dragons (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73393) By Jasondoomsblade (inactive)
Well that was unexpected (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68295) By Randomizer
Search (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77691) By Calamity
My Name is Q (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71239) By Q
The Fire Within (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91620) By Firedrake and Chriky (inactive)
Dawn of Yesterday (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96629) by Fayt
The Skornbail Incident (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99901) by Shades of Grey

Previous ABR main threads

First ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48645)
Second ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50666)
Third ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55646)
Fourth ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59594)
Fifth ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61122)
Sixth ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81279)
Seventh ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84673)

Previous ABR discussion threads

Eighth ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87949)
Ninth ABR thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89541)
Tenth ABR Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93128)
Eleventh ABR Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93128)
Twelfth ABR Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93731)
Thirteenth ABR Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95173)
Fourteenth ABR Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97451)

Archives:

Fat Fish Fury (managed by Mechafox)
Part 1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3439552&postcount=663)
Part 2 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3444141&postcount=793)
Part 3 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3918591&postcount=229)
Part 4 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4753626&postcount=406)
Part 5 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5217814&postcount=383)

Plot 3 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3803944&postcount=963) (also by Mechafox)

Sorcerer Dude Strikes Back (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3965082&postcount=633) (managed by Szilard)

Sprite Wars Archive (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4380002&postcount=245) (managed by Q)

And coming soon will be the Future Imperfect archive (probably managed by me). It will start when Fat Fish Fury is over. Stop harassing me !

List containing all PCs participating in Future Imperfect (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5530814&postcount=763)

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Isn't it strange that the new plot is taking form at the same time as the new thread ?

Future Imperfect will start when Fat Fish Fury is over. Stop harassing me !

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 04:58 PM
grrr... Again I say here i am in the new plot

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The Gremlin
2008-12-19, 04:58 PM
YESS!!! FIRST POST!!!! YAY!!! :smallamused:
EDIT: DAMMIT!!! VICTIM OF THE ONE MINUTE LIMIT!!! :smallfurious:

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 04:59 PM
You say first post, I say third (Mad Mask was first:smallbiggrin:)

So... New thread smell.

EDIT: Pssst. You forgot to link thread 14.

The Gremlin
2008-12-19, 05:00 PM
You say first post, I say third (Mad Mask was first:smallbiggrin:)

So... New thread smell.

Look, I had to write fast. I would have made it, but I posted on the last thread. :smallsigh:
Mad Mask, it's no coincidence...the new plot really sped things up.

T-O-E
2008-12-19, 05:01 PM
grrr... Again I say here i am in the new plot

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u186/megadoomer45/g5207.png

It's only been 15 years, y'know?

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 05:01 PM
Who are you anyways? :smallconfused:

The Gremlin
2008-12-19, 05:02 PM
It's only been 15 years, y'know?

Yeah, but if he was about 30 in FFF, he'd be about 40 in the new plot.
/\He's been around a while. He just sort of comments on things occasionally. He hopes to eventually join ABR, I think, with a unique art style.

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 05:05 PM
I really don't know what age he is. I just wanted the changes to be noticeable.

Nameless
2008-12-19, 05:10 PM
Hey I know! let's go completely off topic and burn through this thread in a week! :D

Fay Graydon
2008-12-19, 05:13 PM
Good idea nameless:smallbiggrin:
I think its time dont you?....

to covert these people to join MEPA

Nameless
2008-12-19, 05:16 PM
Good idea nameless:smallbiggrin:
I think its time dont you?....

to covert these people to join MEPA

Yes! Tired of PETA? JOIN MEPA! :D

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x203/tomshaer/MEPA.png

Fay Graydon
2008-12-19, 05:22 PM
BAcked by the God of Fate and Death himself.... I think you guys should consider the concequences of not eating your meat...

Remember kids: eat 5 portions of Meat or Paultry everyday and you'll be big and strong in no time!
notgarenteedtowork100%ofthetime,someresultsmayvery fromthoseshown

T-O-E
2008-12-19, 05:36 PM
Meat is so very good. My favourite's probably chicken.

Nameless
2008-12-19, 05:46 PM
Are you tired of being called evil and crule for being human? Are you tired of bias facts about how "bad" it is to eat meat? JOIN MEPA TODAY and fight against this propaganda! :smalltongue:


Meat is so very good. My favourite's probably chicken.

Apparently rabbit tasts good too.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 06:01 PM
Somebody start the new plot already! Everyone's bored and I wanna introduce Dr. Fit into that plot! :smallbiggrin:

Fay Graydon
2008-12-19, 06:04 PM
Apparently rabbit tasts good too.

*nods knowingly*
so does every other type of meat... except quail... thats just a carcase with about a single sandwhich filler on :smallannoyed:...
But on the plus side:
Venison and Heart stew!:smallbiggrin:
*licks lips* mmm! thats tasty!

EDIT:
((pssst, nameless... am i allowed to kill other peoples characters in new plots?:smallwink::smallbiggrin::smalltongue:))

Nameless
2008-12-19, 06:06 PM
*nods knowingly*
so does every other type of meat... except quail... thats just a carcase with about a single sandwhich filler on :smallannoyed:...
But on the plus side:
Venison and Heart stew!:smallbiggrin:
*licks lips* mmm! thats tasty!

EDIT:
((pssst, nameless... am i allowed to kill other peoples characters in new plots?:smallwink::smallbiggrin::smalltongue:))

I dunno, not my plot *munches on cow*

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 06:08 PM
Wow, a lot has happened here.

Anyway, I'm against the idea of a new plot so close to FFF, and I definitely don't want to deal with an alternate future.

HOWEVER

I really like the concept of Future Imperfect. Here's my idea:

We retire Fat Fish Fury.

*cue gasps from the audience*

Fat Fish Fury has been a great plotline for us. It's given us two years of entertainment. But it relies too heavily on people that don't continue to actively contribute, and we need to establish our independence. We're at a point in FFF where this is possible: Threeshades is dead, and the good guys have Leroy. I propose we begin wrapping up Fat Fish Fury, and resolving the Dragon Talisman story arc, as the sovice threat grows.

Then, time skip.

Future Imperfect, the direct sequel to Fat Fish Fury, picks up 15 years later, and becomes the new main plot of ABR, with Ins and the sovices as the new Team Evil. Our established characters are in new situations, joined by a cast of new characters, and we continue the story of Avbaroy from there. Who knows? In two more years, we may retire Future Imperfect and start another plot.

Thoughts?

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 06:09 PM
Nameless, stop with the absurdities.

Here's the current list of people participating in Future Imperfect:

• Bloody Red Commie
• Chriky
• Fayt
• Gremlin
• Lavidor
• Mad Mask
• Megadoomer
• Q
• Shades of Grey
• Tired'n'Drowzy
• Troll?

Emperor Ing
2008-12-19, 06:10 PM
Somebody start the new plot already! Everyone's bored and I wanna introduce Dr. Fit into that plot! :smallbiggrin:

I found a good place for you to implement him in! :smallwink: (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71239)

BRC
2008-12-19, 06:11 PM
Wow, a lot has happened here.

Anyway, I'm against the idea of a new plot so close to FFF, and I definitely don't want to deal with an alternate future.

HOWEVER

I really like the concept of Future Imperfect. Here's my idea:

We retire Fat Fish Fury.

*cue gasps from the audience*

Fat Fish Fury has been a great plotline for us. It's given us two years of entertainment. But it relies too heavily on people that don't continue to actively contribute, and we need to establish our independence. We're at a point in FFF where this is possible: Threeshades is dead, and the good guys have Leroy. I propose we begin wrapping up Fat Fish Fury, and resolving the Dragon Talisman story arc, as the sovice threat grows.

Then, time skip.

Future Imperfect, the direct sequel to Fat Fish Fury, picks up 15 years later, and becomes the new main plot of ABR, with Ins and the sovices as the new Team Evil. Our established characters are in new situations, joined by a cast of new characters, and we continue the story of Avbaroy from there. Who knows? In two more years, we may retire Future Imperfect and start another plot.

Thoughts?
No.

People have too many ideas for FFF, and we can keep moving it. Besides, Future Imperfect is a much darker story. I say just have the two plots running simulteneously and let things take their course. If we find ourself focusing entierly on Future Perfect, FFF will die off on it's own.

Nameless
2008-12-19, 06:12 PM
I like your idea Mecha.
Let's finish up this plot before starting another, and that way, we'll all be able to praticipate in the plot and we can all spend more time on it, instead of haveing to worry about yet another plot.

Threeshades
2008-12-19, 06:13 PM
Yes! Tired of PETA? JOIN MEPA! :D

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What's wrong with the PeopleEatingTorturedAnimals Organization?

Nameless
2008-12-19, 06:14 PM
What's wrong with the PeopleEatingTorturedAnimals Organization?

There's nothing wrong with that kinda PETA.

Speaking of which, I really want some fallafal in petta...

Emperor Ing
2008-12-19, 06:15 PM
What's wrong with the PeopleEatingTorturedAnimals Organization?

Everything :smalltongue:

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 06:18 PM
I found a good place for you to implement him in! :smallwink: (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71239)

No. It's ending in 5 comics.

I will have him make an apperence in one of my backstories, but mainly of cameo status.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 06:21 PM
The problem with that idea is that if Future Imperfect becomes the main plot, massive amounts of new people will come into it, with little or no idea on how it works. They will start large amounts of new, confusing subplots and create half-baked characters, and it will be no better than Fat Fish Fury.

Perhaps we can reconcile the situation by allowing only "experienced" people into Future Imperfect. To practice, they can join Sorcerer Dude Strikes Back or Fat Fish Fury. I know it sounds harsh but I care deeply about this plot and don't want to see it ruined by flat overpowered characters, silly ideas and piles of unrelated, extremely long subplots.

Nameless
2008-12-19, 06:23 PM
Everything :smalltongue:

*eats dolphin meat*

oh God... this is good... you can TAST that this animal was tortured... of God this is goood... :smalltongue:

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 06:25 PM
:smallannoyed: ya better not be talking about me.

Calamity
2008-12-19, 06:30 PM
I'd participate in the Future Imperfect plot, but I'm not so sure I agree with shutting people put of the plot. I just don't find that fair or in the spirit of ABR.

Threeshades
2008-12-19, 06:32 PM
*eats dolphin meat*

oh God... this is good... you can TAST that this animal was tortured... of God this is goood... :smalltongue:

It makes them so tender, doesn't it? Best if they drowned caught in a net of a tuna fisher

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 06:38 PM
I really don't like the 'alternate future' concept. That's going to make things on the wiki hella confusing. And we can't have a related plot so close to FF without the two influencing each other.

Regarding over-powered characters, we just have to have firmer guidelines on what people can do in plots.

Lyinginbedmon
2008-12-19, 06:40 PM
I'm not going to say I dislike a plot that hasn't started, but given that pretty much every new plot after FFF has withered I'm not going to give it an estimated long run before it stalls. FFF is the only one that's ever had staying power, despite it's flaws.

As previously mentioned I probably won't be participating in the FI plot, but I might stop by every now and then with something. I'm still sticking around for FFF and anything that shakes the coffin of SDSB.

What can I say? I'm autistic, I don't usually do well with changing things. :smalltongue:

BRC
2008-12-19, 06:41 PM
I really don't like the 'alternate future' concept. That's going to make things on the wiki hella confusing. And we can't have a related plot so close to FF without the two influencing each other.

Regarding over-powered characters, we just have to have firmer guidelines on what people can do in plots.

Alternate Future works fine, just make a new Wiki section.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 06:41 PM
Wait a sec, if you close down FFF, must you close down SDSB?! :smalleek:

I still have plans I want to do! Vert Doomy plans! :smallfrown:

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 06:49 PM
No.

People have too many ideas for FFF, and we can keep moving it. Besides, Future Imperfect is a much darker story. I say just have the two plots running simulteneously and let things take their course. If we find ourself focusing entierly on Future Perfect, FFF will die off on it's own.

Those ideas would still be relevant. Most, if not all, of the characters from FFF will still be present. Ideas will have to be adapted to fit with the sovice control, but that's the direction that FFF has been headed for some time now. Future Imperfect is just Fat Fish Fury 2.

Now, there are several options: We can end FFF and transfer future plot hooks into its sequel, or we can start a sequel at the same time, and turn it into a confusing alternate future that will probably crash and burn within a month.

FFF has headed for a sovice rule for a while, so why make a separate plot about what we've been building up to for so long? The sovices deserve to be main ABR BBEGs, not lame spin-off villains.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 06:51 PM
@Megadoomer: Sorry, but I seem to lack inspiration about Fat Fish Fury, with the new plot and all. I'll try to finish the comic tomorrow.

Now let's concentrate on Future Imperfect. The story begins in the Citadel of Bis Anu, heavily refitted to match the firepower of the UNA. The most important members of the resistance (does anybody have an idea on how we should call it ?) are currently inside.

Since the Citadel is escorted by a small wing of Schizian fighters, I need to know if anyone designed one of these, or if I should create the design.

^If we end Fat Fish Fury, I say we should conclude all subplots so we can start anew. The main ones I see are the invasion of Alphantica, the NSE expedition and the Vendetta arc.

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 06:56 PM
If we end Fat Fish Fury, I say we should conclude all subplots so we can start anew. The main ones I see are the invasion of Alphantica, the NSE expedition and the Vendetta arc.

I agree that the major subplots need to close, or at least adapt for the timeskip. The Alphantica invasion leads directly into FI, so we will need to focus on that. The Vendetta arc is almost over, so that shouldn't be a problem if Threeshades cooperates. I'm drawing a blank at "NSE expedition," though. Remind me what that stands for?

Nameless
2008-12-19, 06:58 PM
I think we should just finish FFF, and then make a dessision.

Almighty Salmon
2008-12-19, 06:58 PM
I think we should just finish FFF, and then make a dessision.

It's sort of hard to 'just finish'. I mean, there's a lot to get through.

And hi.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 07:00 PM
I agree that the major subplots need to close, or at least adapt for the timeskip. The Alphantica invasion leads directly into FI, so we will need to focus on that. The Vendetta arc is almost over, so that shouldn't be a problem if Threeshades cooperates. I'm drawing a blank at "NSE expedition," though. Remind me what that stands for?

New Sovice Empire expedition. In Lyinginbedmon's last comic, when he talked to his daughter, he said that the New Sovice Empire could send an expeditionary retrieval force on Avbaroy to remove the Sovice. The NSE could be here within an hour.

memnarch
2008-12-19, 07:01 PM
Hmmm....

to do list; make new faerie character, write back story for explanation, help conclude FFF parts, make christmas avy.

I think thats it.


FFF closing; bad idea, new people new a place to get their footing in. Like playing in a sandbox before moving to the construction site, you know?

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 07:01 PM
And hi.

How the heck did you get picked to be the main character of the main plot when you disappear for so long?! :smalltongue:

Nameless
2008-12-19, 07:01 PM
It's sort of hard to 'just finish'. I mean, there's a lot to get through.

And hi.

Whatever, finish this plot, then start another.

T-O-E
2008-12-19, 07:02 PM
I really don't like the 'alternate future' concept. That's going to make things on the wiki hella confusing.

Make new articles for each FI character/area/item/other and put [FI] in the title?

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 07:03 PM
It's sort of hard to 'just finish'. I mean, there's a lot to get through.

And hi.

where have you been?:smallconfused:

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 07:05 PM
Answer to life, the universe and everything: Sorcerer Dude Strikes Back. It has almost nothing to do with Fat Fish Fury and can exist independently. New people can join it and do stuff without affecting the rest of the planet.

EDIT: What happened to the FFF archive ? It's been a month since the last update.

Almighty Salmon
2008-12-19, 07:06 PM
How the heck did you get picked to be the main character of the main plot when you disappear for so long?! :smalltongue:

Pish Posh. I haven't been gone for that long.

EDIT: And I wasn't picked, it just happened.


where have you been?:smallconfused:

Here. Well, i've been watching, but I just lack the motivation to contribute.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 07:06 PM
Answer to life, the universe and everything: Sorcerer Dude Strikes Back.

YAY! My question has finally been answered! It won't end!

BRC
2008-12-19, 07:08 PM
Since Mechafox is forcing the Issue. Let's put a vote on it.


Proposition F, To begin operations to end the plot known as Fat Fish Fury, permenetally, and institue the new plot, known as Future Imperfect, as the primary plot.

I vote, NAY!

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 07:10 PM
I vote Affirmative !

Yes: 4
No: 3

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 07:10 PM
I vote YAY!

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 07:12 PM
I vote yes

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 07:14 PM
EDIT: What happened to the FFF archive ? It's been a month since the last update.

I've been obnoxiously busy. Expect a major update in the next couple of days.


Answer to life, the universe and everything: Sorcerer Dude Strikes Back. It has almost nothing to do with Fat Fish Fury and can exist independently. New people can join it and do stuff without affecting the rest of the planet.

Agreed. SDSB is a rather small-scaled plot that hasn't moved very far forward in time. It will continue to take place before the sovice invasion and will not timeskip. It is the sandbox.

I think that the NSE expedition and the Alphantican invasion will lead directly into the events of Future Imperfect. As such, we don't need to show everything that happens, only the beginning and an overview. Ideally, as the heroes work to establish their goals, we will reach a climax that will serve as an explosive finale for FFF. Then we reach a "Empire Strikes Back" moment, as everything appears to be going wrong for the heroes. Sovices take over and begin enslaving the world. Then, a short group of comics establishes, in a cliff-hanger fashion, what the characters are going to be doing in the timeskip. I have specific plans in mind for a handful of cliffhanger comics featuring Nobody, the Void, and the plotgoblins that should preserve their stories for Future Imperfect.

Lyinginbedmon
2008-12-19, 07:17 PM
Nay, with caveats

I have no objection to it starting, I don't think we should shut down FFF because of it.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 07:19 PM
I think we should make a list of expendable people that quit ABR for a long time, so that we can Kill 'Em All. This will create the right atmosphere for Future Imperfect and provide a sense of danger. And I'm sure a lot of people want to see Squark die. :smallamused:


Nay, with caveats

I have no objection to it starting, I don't think we should shut down FFF because of it.

It's not a shut down. Every film plot has to end and leave place for the sequel.

Call it Fat Fish Fury II: Future Imperfect.

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 07:20 PM
Since Mechafox is forcing the Issue. Let's put a vote on it.


Proposition F, To begin operations to end the plot known as Fat Fish Fury, permenetally, and institue the new plot, known as Future Imperfect, as the primary plot.

I vote, NAY!

Obviously, I vote yay, but there is a separate solution that's kind of a compromise. We can keep the title Fat Fish Fury, but fold the concepts of Future Imperfect into it, possibly shortening the time skip.

In any case, I think that the story of the Talisman of the Dragon King needs to come to an end before it completely stagnates. The time of the Sovices is at hand. They deserve BBEG status.


Call it Fat Fish Fury II: Future Imperfect.

Yeah, like that.

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 07:26 PM
I agree. We need to give end to fff. It's been a great story but it's gotta end at some point.

evil_d4_swarm
2008-12-19, 07:35 PM
I'm not going to vote, because I have not been here long enough to make a good choice.

Although I'd like to join Future Imperfect.

My character will be posted in a bit.

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 07:36 PM
hey d4 what did you use to animate that backstory thingy?

evil_d4_swarm
2008-12-19, 07:45 PM
Jasc Animation Shop 3. It came with my computer.:smallbiggrin:

PS: Here is my Future Imperfect Character:

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww327/evil_d4_swarm/4b713f2e.png

The crystal d4 has collected and overpowered two of the other d20 fragments over the past 15 years, fusing with them and gaining more power in the process.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 07:46 PM
You know what? I think I'm going to use the Qs for FI and save Dr. Fit for another time.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 07:49 PM
@Mister d4: That's one funny creation myth. Cultures always consider themselves important in the eyes of their gods.

EDIT: Compliment.

evil_d4_swarm
2008-12-19, 07:51 PM
@Mister d4: That's one funny creation myth. Cultures always consider themselves important in the eyes of their gods.

If that was a compliment, thanks :smallbiggrin:.

If not: :smallannoyed:

:smallwink:

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 07:52 PM
I have the final design of doomer for fi. He ends up being a warlock when the plot starts. Whadaya think? I like what i did with the sword myself. http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u186/megadoomer45/g5094.png

Threeshades
2008-12-19, 07:53 PM
cool backstory, d4 swarm. But I spotted an artistic mistake. The way you drew the crystalline d4's, they would have a rectangular bottomside plus 4 triangular sides. So alltogether, they would be unbalanced d5's

T-O-E
2008-12-19, 07:59 PM
Just started (and finished) Sorcerer Dude Strikes Back.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 08:06 PM
The Qs' looks for the new plot:
http://i41.tinypic.com/jp9eh4.png

("Redshirt") Q will obviously be a badass, trigger-happy gun guy for the resistance using Szilard's screwdriver (since I haven't used it yet an I took if from him.)

I have no idea what "Green-shirt" Q's role in the resistance will be. Any ideas, anybody?

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-19, 08:13 PM
Here's my Future Imperfect Character.

He's not disheveled and tired because he's only recently been found.

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/TiredNDrowzy/Thri-kreen-2.png

The purple forms coming out of his hands are mindblades and the long, fiery strands are whips of fire.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 08:14 PM
Tired, please spoiler that picture.

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 08:15 PM
Tired, please spoiler that picture.

Seconded.

Looks cool, though.

Bayar
2008-12-19, 08:15 PM
The Qs' looks for the new plot:
http://i41.tinypic.com/jp9eh4.png

("Redshirt") Q will obviously be a badass, trigger-happy gun guy for the resistance using Szilard's screwdriver (since I haven't used it yet an I took if from him.)

I have no idea what "Green-shirt" Q's role in the resistance will be. Any ideas, anybody?

See ? Drawing a bike is so much cooler than just copy-pasting one from google :smallbiggrin:

Also, the most awesome thing I have seen today : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_uXUdouVIo&NR=1

It is NOT Rick Roll.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 08:21 PM
See ? Drawing a bike is so much cooler than just copy-pasting one from google :smallbiggrin:

Indeed, as I already knew by doing it for quite a while now.

Too bad I can't watch youre movie thing. My computer can't seem to handle it.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 08:26 PM
I vote that we don't end FFF. It's been good to us these years. It will end, but give it time people, give it time...

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-19, 08:27 PM
Well, if you're getting a new computer soon, might as well try out inkscape on your old one, since it can't get much worse than being that slow. If it does happen to 'explode your computer', you won't really care anyway.

SoG, we're not ending FFF. Just starting another plot.... With the same characters.

Lyinginbedmon
2008-12-19, 08:31 PM
SoG, we're not ending FFF. Just starting another plot.... With the same characters.

But there is a vote to end FFF now in favour of prioritising FI.

Which is what myself and, evidently, Shades of Gray are opposed to, among others.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 08:31 PM
Since Mechafox is forcing the Issue. Let's put a vote on it.


Proposition F, To begin operations to end the plot known as Fat Fish Fury, permenetally permanently, and institue institute the new plot, known as Future Imperfect, as the primary plot.

This was being voted on.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 08:31 PM
might as well try out inkscape on your old one, since it can't get much worse than being that slow.....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :smallsigh:

Anyway, yes, I will be getting a new computer shortly. I'm waiting to see if anybody in my family will get a new computer for Christmas for me first before I spend my own money on it.

Keris
2008-12-19, 08:52 PM
I vote yes on Proposition F.

FFF has lasted a long time, but it's wrapping itself up now anyway. The Dragon Talisman is the primary focus of the plot, and we're at a stage where it can be gotten fairly easily, particularly due to to the number of Gods in the plot. Heck, the Dragon Talisman isn't really that important anymore.
The number of sub-plots and drifting characters in FFF is huge, and the new plot can allow us to trim all this dead weight off the plotline, allowing it to advance more easily.

@Mecha: Are you making the next Plot 3 comic, or shall I?

And on a completely different note, does anyone here have experience modding Oblivion?

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 08:55 PM
Just started (and finished) Sorcerer Dude Strikes Back.

:smallconfused: What are you talking about ?

Anyway, here are the current results on Proposition F:

Yes: 5 (Mad Mask, Mechafox, Keris Rain, Megadoomer, Q)
No: 4 (BRC, Lying, Shades of Grey, Kpenguin)

Bayar
2008-12-19, 08:55 PM
I think it should be like modding Morrowind.

If you want to install mods, that is easy. if you want to create mods, that is a bit more complicated.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 09:01 PM
:smallconfused: What are you talking about ?


I think he meant that he read the whole archive, start to back.

Keris
2008-12-19, 09:03 PM
I think it should be like modding Morrowind.

If you want to install mods, that is easy. if you want to create mods, that is a bit more complicated.

Creating. I've got well over 150 esp files running, and want to iron out some of the conflicts between them. Like chests being placed in Castle Anvil courtyard, when Open Cities removes this area.

Bayar
2008-12-19, 09:05 PM
I only created stuff for Morrowind...with it's cool open areas everywhere and all. never really touched Oblivion modding, although I read that it is surprisingly simmilar.

Lyinginbedmon
2008-12-19, 09:08 PM
:smallconfused: What are you talking about ?

Anyway, here are the current results on Proposition F:

Yes: 5 (Mad Mask, Mechafox, Keris Rain, Megadoomer, Q)
No: 3 (BRC, Lying, Shades of Grey)

I think the votes for not shutting 3F down but starting FI should also be tallied.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 09:10 PM
I think the votes for not shutting 3F down but starting FI should also be tallied.

I don't think it's necessary, since everyone apparently agrees to start Future Imperfect.

V: okay.

T-O-E
2008-12-19, 09:11 PM
:smallconfused: What are you talking about ?

Anyway, here are the current results on Proposition F:

I finished reading the SDSB archive, like Q said.

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 09:17 PM
@Mecha: Are you making the next Plot 3 comic, or shall I?

Take your pick. I'm planning on doing a comic, but I won't be making it tonight. Feel free to have Fawkes carry out your orders.

Also, Lying, are you opposed to the Fat Fish Fury II: Future Imperfect compromise concept?

kpenguin
2008-12-19, 09:20 PM
I vote...

ABSTAIN

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 09:22 PM
What would be required to make a pocket demension by magic? I want to do something before fff is ended.

Lyinginbedmon
2008-12-19, 09:25 PM
Take your pick. I'm planning on doing a comic, but I won't be making it tonight. Feel free to have Fawkes carry out your orders.

Also, Lying, are you opposed to the Fat Fish Fury II: Future Imperfect compromise concept?

Could you elaborate? I must have missed that section.

I'm not opposed to Future Imperfect starting and being run, I'm mostly opposed to FFF being shut down as a result of it. I would prefer both were run rather than just FI.

kpenguin
2008-12-19, 09:25 PM
What would be required to make a pocket demension by magic? I want to do something before fff is ended.

Genesis (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/genesis.htm) allows you to make a demiplane.

Its a psionic power, not a spell, but I think there's a spell version somewhere.

EDIT: Spell version (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/genesis.htm)

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 09:29 PM
thanks. I intend to use this in a comic. Probably to get the civillians out of sharnin before sovices engage the country itself.

kpenguin
2008-12-19, 09:30 PM
thanks. I intend to use this in a comic. Probably to get the civillians out of sharnin before sovices engage the country itself.

With 180 ft. per casting, you'd better have a lot of time on your hands to make a demiplane large enough to comfortably fit a nation.

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 09:32 PM
micro nation thank you very much.:smallannoyed: It isn't over yet ya know. I'll have the casting actually happen in fff and after the time skip The civillians would have been there for awhile and pretty well set up.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 09:35 PM
micro nation thank you very much.:smallannoyed: It isn't over yet ya know. I'll have the casting actually happen in fff and after the time skip The civillians would have been there for awhile and pretty well set up.

You don't have to follow the D&D rules, you know. You could always say the most powerful wizards of the country rally and hence forth the spell is much quicker.


Could you elaborate? I must have missed that section.

Called Fat Fish Fury II: Future Imperfect, it would be the sequel to FFF I, much like a film or a book. It's primarily to remove all the thick, complicated bits of Fat Fish Fury and start with the UNA as the Big Bad Evil Guys (or should I say Big Bad Good-Intentioned Guys ?).

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 09:44 PM
Wait, I forget, why is Ins considered evil?

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-19, 09:49 PM
I know I've taken this title from Star Trek, but I didn't have any other ideas and Future Imperfect sounds neat. Do you have any other suggestions ?

I was going to suggest this, since it's a Latin case that refers to events in the future which haven't 'finished'. Something like [subject] will be [verb]ing [object].
I also suggested Pluperfect Plot (3P, as it were) as a title for Plot 3, given it refers to events that happened before everything else.


This is something I might maybe think about participating in. Maybe. It'll be a new character, though. Probably.
FAKE EDIT: I might use Rixy and Nancy, though. They're fairly suited to this sort of thing. I was considering making a backstory titled "A Tale of Sorrow and Science", but realised I had nothing to write about.

Mad Mask@ Wow. You've really become a major figure in ABR, and your character isn't even very powerful or even central! :smalleek::smallsmile:

It's because he writes things, I'd say.

You can have multiple characters. I even encourage it ! If you want, you can even have three, as long as the third is expendable.

The problem is, I have another three character concepts...but they really wouldn't work in this plot. They're all high fantasy and/or silly in a serious way. That'd make sense if I explained it better.

Oh, hey. A vote. Nay for me. FI is good and all, but if we abandon 3F there's no place for the quirky high fantasy epic we all know and love.

Keris
2008-12-19, 09:49 PM
Insecesacinsectel is a robot mind inside a corpse. That's a pretty big argument right there.

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 09:50 PM
Could you elaborate? I must have missed that section.

I'm not opposed to Future Imperfect starting and being run, I'm mostly opposed to FFF being shut down as a result of it. I would prefer both were run rather than just FI.

The compromise is that the Future Imperfect storyline is folded into FFF. We draw the Talisman storyline to a close, and begin focusing on the Sovice rule. We can start a new archive, labeled Fat Fish Fury II: Future Imperfect. (I will continue maintaining it.) The time skip may be shortened or elminated, and there may be a few comics taking place in the intermediary period.

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 09:50 PM
You don't have to follow the D&D rules, you know. You could always say the most powerful wizards of the country rally and hence forth the spell is much quicker.


Thats what my men from the army are doing. Doomer is gonna be called back to participate in the spell for around....I dunno since we have the strongest of the wizards I'd say the spell would take around 6 hours and the growth starts out bigger and advances faster. Then He returns with the rest of his men to work on the defense of the senate.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 09:50 PM
Wait, I forget, why is Ins considered evil?

Do not listen to these terrorists, citizen. Mr Ins, the Administrator of Avbaroy, is completely and entirely well-intentioned. He was the one that saved us from the Neo-Moon Elf Empire, restored Lockutas' original climate, rebuilt Blauport, Salmonville and countless other cities, tamed Regen and the Underdark. It is thanks to him that we have such high standards of life !


The compromise is that the Future Imperfect storyline is folded into FFF. We draw the Talisman storyline to a close, and begin focusing on the Sovice rule. We can start a new archive, labeled Fat Fish Fury II: Future Imperfect. (I will continue maintaining it.) The time skip may be shortened or elminated, and there may be a few comics taking place in the intermediary period.

I don't think it is necessary to remove or shorten the time skip. It's a good dramatic device and it makes things more serious. It also gives a more "aged" appearance to the characters and I like it.

The Gremlin
2008-12-19, 09:52 PM
Wait, I forget, why is Ins considered evil?

The Sovice history was kind of long and confusing, but I believe that there were some/one corrupt ones/one who created more of their number. Now there are no longer any 'good' ones, though none were really 'good' more 'neutral'.
And, man this is a hard choice. But I'm afraid that I have to vote for ending the beloved FFF I.
I'm just glad I got to play a part in it, the first nameless chapter in the tale of FFF. Even though nobody could actually seem to remember who I was. :smalltongue:
First, though, we need to wrap up all the subplots. Namely, the Moon Elf Empire (almost done anyways), this whole thing with Lying's daughter, and the Ven thing can probably resolve itself easily.
But, let's give it another day before we decide. Lots of people haven't voted yet, like Keveak and Omicron.
Also, love the comic d4. It's awesome. I'll do a reply soon.

Keris
2008-12-19, 09:53 PM
Do not listen to these terrorists, citizen.

Definitely evil then. Any government that calls citizens "citizen" is up to no good.
Which I reckon is because it creates a society where government officials are ranked superior to others. Nothing wrong with that, but don't make it too obvious.

DoomITP
2008-12-19, 09:55 PM
I don't think it is necessary to remove or shorten the time skip. It's a good dramatic device and it makes things more serious. It also gives a more "aged" appearance to the characters and I like it.

I do too. I want to keep the time skip.

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-19, 09:56 PM
Wait, I forget, why is Ins considered evil?

That sounds like plusungood crimethink to me. I recommend you listen to Mad Mask to restore goodthink.

kpenguin
2008-12-19, 09:59 PM
Definitely evil then. Any government that calls citizens "citizen" is up to no good.

Or a campily patriotic hero.

Keris
2008-12-19, 10:03 PM
That sounds like plusungood crimethink to me. I recommend you listen to Mad Mask to restore goodthink.

It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.

Trouble is, it's happening. Look around the internet, all over will you find newl33tspeak.

memnarch
2008-12-19, 10:04 PM
Definitely evil then. Any government that calls citizens "citizen" is up to no good.
Which I reckon is because it creates a society where government officials are ranked superior to others. Nothing wrong with that, but don't make it too obvious.

Brings to mind the Combine from Half-life.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 10:10 PM
Brings to mind the Combine from Half-life.

But unlike the Combine, the UNA is actually lead by good-intentioned people. It's just the Sovice that are considered... less ethical.

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-19, 10:15 PM
I think the change is doubleplusgood, but the removal of normal FFF is ungood. I'd say give it about 6 months to make some predictable plot twists so it can wrap up in finality.

Personally, I think Threeshades should get the keys, enslave the dragons and attack with them. The good guys manage to find a way to break the talisman and end the line of moon elves so this may never happen again.

Once it's all wrapped up, we can move onto the next BBEO (UNA)

Keris
2008-12-19, 10:15 PM
The Combine has good intentions. Good for the Combine as a whole at least. I mean, it's not like we needed all those seas. They were just sitting there!

Fawkes
2008-12-19, 10:18 PM
Oh, I agree that the change shouldn't be sudden. But I think it's something we should begin working toward.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 10:19 PM
I think the change is doubleplusgood, but the removal of normal FFF is ungood. I'd say give it about 6 months to make some predictable plot twists so it can wrap up in finality.

Personally, I think Threeshades should get the keys, enslave the dragons and attack with them. The good guys manage to find a way to break the talisman and end the line of moon elves so this may never happen again.

Once it's all wrapped up, we can move onto the next BBEO (UNA)

6 months is too long. And Threeshades does not want the keys; the Good Guys want them to kill her. But given that she is dead now... well... you know... It shouldn't take long to finish the storyline.

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-19, 10:22 PM
Well, Then we might want to at least explain why she killed herself...

Perhaps we can have someone spying on her give some backshadowing (this is the correct term, isn't it? For the opposite of foreshadowing?) on the scenario. Maybe she was driven insane; maybe she was possessed. Maybe her conscious started acting up.

In any case, I think the good guys still need to reclaim the Vendetta and fight off most of the guards.

The drow are still everywhere, and TnD has yet to see some action. Perhaps a big, final, epic battle with all good guys and bad guys is necessary.

BRC
2008-12-19, 10:22 PM
But unlike the Combine, the UNA is actually lead by good-intentioned people. It's just the Sovice that are considered... less ethical.
Character Ideas for IF, I may make pictures of them later.

Agent Rex Lator, A dashing, charismatic, skilled, and entierly fictional agent for the UNoA dept of intelligence. In his cheesy weekly TV show he thwarts the vile schemes of "The Renegades", a group consisting of villainized versions of Resistance leaders. His incrediably popular show (And two full-length motion pictures) is full of sex and violence, most of which is commited against either Dettas, or faceless minions working for the Renegades, and usually carries the message of "Peace through Unity".

Commander Schalt: A Former officer in the Schitzotech Scarlet Legions, Commander Schalt is a cyborg who lends his skill and combat experience to the Resistance. He is somthing of a spokesperson and leader for the Schitzians in the Resistance.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 10:25 PM
Character Ideas for IF, I may make pictures of them later.

Agent Rex Lator, A dashing, charismatic, skilled, and entierly fictional agent for the UNoA dept of intelligence. In his cheesy weekly TV show he thwarts the vile schemes of "The Renegades", a group consisting of villainized versions of Resistance leaders. His incrediably popular show (And two full-length motion pictures) is full of sex and violence, most of which is commited against either Dettas, or faceless minions working for the Renegades, and usually carries the message of "Peace through Unity".

I'm going to make a comic about that TV show tomorrow.

Off to bed.

Keris
2008-12-19, 10:28 PM
6 months is too long. And Threeshades does not want the keys; the Good Guys want them to kill her. But given that she is dead now... well... you know... It shouldn't take long to finish the storyline.

I thought she did want them? She's after the Dragon Talisman, so needed the keys to open the gate, and Leroy to get into the room that the gate was in.

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-19, 10:31 PM
If we do do this, we've got to make one rule.

No subplots.

Your characters can be doing different things or aiming for different goals, as long as they all have to do with the war between the resistance and the UNA.

As long as character's don't decide to go do something totally unrelated, we're good. Everyone must be either a member of the resistance, a supporter of the UNA, or someone indebted to either of them feeling it is their duty to repay them. Other ideas will work, as long as they are along these lines.

If you don't like the way the plot's going, make another plot to house your subplot. It will make reading the archive less confusing and more fun.

The Gremlin
2008-12-19, 10:37 PM
If we do do this, we've got to make one rule.

No subplots.

Your characters can be doing different things or aiming for different goals, as long as they all have to do with the war between the resistance and the UNA.

As long as character's don't decide to go do something totally unrelated, we're good. Everyone must be either a member of the resistance, a supporter of the UNA, or someone indebted to either of them feeling it is their duty to repay them. Other ideas will work, as long as they are along these lines.

If you don't like the way the plot's going, make another plot to house your subplot. It will make reading the archive less confusing and more fun.

How about no subplots that others can 'join'. Because if someone wants to have one of their characters scheming, with his own hidden agenda, he should be able to. It makes plain sense. As long as nobody 'joins' then the person who starts it will have no reason to be 'rushed' to do the next comic.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 10:39 PM
I have an idea for my character for the new plot, and I want to know if it'd make me too powerful.

Green-shirt Q builds vehicles for Q to use to help out the team. Complex vehicles with many different uses. Vehicles based on those you are able to build in the latest Banjo-Kazooie game (if anybody here has happened to play it).

Here are some blueprints of vehicles I have already thought up.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2u9mufa.png

The Gremlin
2008-12-19, 10:48 PM
I have an idea for my character for the new plot, and I want to know if it'd make me too powerful.

Green-shirt builds vehicles for Q to use to help out the team. Complex vehicles with many different uses. Vehicles based on those you are able to build in the latest Banjo-Kazooie game (if anybody here has happened to play it).

Here are some blueprints of vehicles I have already thought up.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2u9mufa.pngAnother is that your characters are too smug/cheerful. Bad things happen in FI, and your characters tend to be too...what's the word...'unflappable'. Or, more correctly, they have been 'flapped', but not changed. Everyone else has been affected in some way by the trouble. Mortals can age, people who age slowly can at least be cynical and stuff, but not either of teh Qs seem capable of this at the moment.
I'm not trying to argue, but perhaps you should either make the two Qs more 'changed' or whatever, or try a different character who isn't that Poke-Mon.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 10:52 PM
Another is that your characters are too smug/cheerful. Bad things happen in FI, and your characters tend to be too...what's the word...'unflappable'. Or, more correctly, they have been 'flapped', but not changed. Everyone else has been affected in some way by the trouble. Mortals can age, people who age slowly can at least be cynical and stuff, but not either of teh Qs seem capable of this at the moment.
I'm not trying to argue, but perhaps you should either make the two Qs more 'changed' or whatever, or try a different character who isn't that Poke-Mon.

You are just making that assumption. How do you know they are unchanged? I haven't featured them in a comic yet. :smallconfused:

They are changed. You shall see that.

Almighty Salmon
2008-12-19, 10:59 PM
Right, i'm away for the weekend, but when I get back i'll work extra hard during the christmas holiday to try and speed up the Fat Fish Fury plot as much as possible. Hopefully giving it a good ending before everybody gets too sick of it.

I'll also start designing a FI character as well. Nothing major, probably just some person who shows up every 50-100 comics to annoy/advise the main group/character or something. You know, so it'll fit in better with my super busy real life schedule.

Peace out, i'll see you on Monday.

Keris
2008-12-19, 11:00 PM
I have an idea for my character for the new plot, and I want to know if it'd make me too powerful.

Green-shirt Q builds vehicles for Q to use to help out the team. Complex vehicles with many different uses. Vehicles based on those you are able to build in the latest Banjo-Kazooie game (if anybody here has happened to play it).

Here are some blueprints of vehicles I have already thought up.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2u9mufa.png

The resistance is meant to be struggling. Having a variety of wacky vehicles seems to go against this.

Mad Mask
2008-12-19, 11:05 PM
Right, i'm away for the weekend, but when I get back i'll work extra hard during the christmas holiday to try and speed up the Fat Fish Fury plot as much as possible. Hopefully giving it a good ending before everybody gets too sick of it.

I'll also start designing a FI character as well. Nothing major, probably just some person who shows up every 50-100 comics to annoy/advise the main group/character or something. You know, so it'll fit in better with my super busy real life schedule.

Peace out, i'll see you on Monday.

If you want you can kill my character. I don't care much for him.

BRC
2008-12-19, 11:05 PM
The resistance is meant to be struggling. Having a variety of wacky vehicles seems to go against this.
Agleed.
Let's see, should the Vendetta have survived, or perhaps it was destroyed and part of it (Central Engineering) was either moved into the citadel, or into a second ship (The Vendetta II)

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 11:13 PM
This will be shown in my backstory story comic, in comic. But for y'all now, here is the crazy wacky family tree of Oliver.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/oliver426/g41189-1.png

His relationships are from the planar voyage. Oliver spends 5-15 or more years in each plane, so he has had time to settle down many times. The exception is Arborea, which he spent a week in. Stupid Trees. Lily and Arthur are his only two children. In FI Arthur's wife died protecting a forest against deforestation by the UNA. Antoine lives in the capital city, pretty much assimilated into the beliefs of the UNA. Jakob is in the resistance, while Lily is in Baator Carceri, living with Elizabeth. Arthur is on a planar voyage himself, following in his father's footsteps. Kella is living with her husband, an astral deva.

Keris
2008-12-19, 11:20 PM
Agleed.
Let's see, should the Vendetta have survived, or perhaps it was destroyed and part of it (Central Engineering) was either moved into the citadel, or into a second ship (The Vendetta II)

The Resistance shouldn't have the Vendetta. It's too powerful. So Central Engineering must have been moved somewhere else. Moving to the Citadel would cause conflict problems with the Seen Servants, so.... how about we just put it in a random warehouse?
The Vendetta should probably be destroyed in FFF. It doesn't fit the style for UNA tech, but may be in storage somewhere.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-19, 11:20 PM
The resistance is meant to be struggling. Having a variety of wacky vehicles seems to go against this.

Yeah, I gess you're right. It was fun to draw the vehicles, but I guess it just won't work. :smallfrown:

On another note, is there going to be a HQ for the resistance? A base where everybody lives? I'm just curious.

Lyinginbedmon
2008-12-19, 11:20 PM
...while Lily is in Baator, living with Elizabeth.

Wha...buh...demon! :smallconfused:

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-19, 11:22 PM
Lily is in Baator, living with Elizabeth.

...But, they're Succubi. Devils hate Demons even more than, well, everything, last I checked.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 11:24 PM
Wha...buh...demon! :smallconfused:

Woops, baator is the devil place. They don't live in the Abyss however, they live in Carceri.

*Edits to avoid future NERD RAGE!*:smalltongue:

@V While I like 4E, no. Although Succubi seemed more lawful to me anyways. Corrupting and seducing an innocent person to serve you and give you power. I don't see them as women with bat wings flying around randomly sleeping with anything with a humanoid anatomy.

kpenguin
2008-12-19, 11:25 PM
Perhaps 15 years in the future Avbaroy converts to 4e?

Apparently succubi are devils now.

evil_d4_swarm
2008-12-19, 11:26 PM
How about no subplots that others can 'join'. Because if someone wants to have one of their characters scheming, with his own hidden agenda, he should be able to. It makes plain sense. As long as nobody 'joins' then the person who starts it will have no reason to be 'rushed' to do the next comic.

You know, I'm going to have to second this motion. If there is a "no subplots" rule, then my crystal d4 will not be able to pursue the other two tetrahedral shards of the d20.

EDIT: Oh, and I vote to scrap FFF in favor of Future Imperfect. I feel overwhelmed by the sheer bulk of plot hooks and subplots that have overpopulated Fat Fish Fury. Also, reading back through the archive, it seems to have lost focus.

Keris
2008-12-19, 11:30 PM
Perhaps 15 years in the future Avbaroy converts to 4e?

That's just crazy talk and you know it. :smalltongue:


EDIT: @V Call 'em Relay Dettas then.

BRC
2008-12-19, 11:30 PM
The Resistance shouldn't have the Vendetta. It's too powerful. So Central Engineering must have been moved somewhere else. Moving to the Citadel would cause conflict problems with the Seen Servants, so.... how about we just put it in a random warehouse?
The Vendetta should probably be destroyed in FFF. It doesn't fit the style for UNA tech, but may be in storage somewhere.
Lets see, he should have his Manufacturing bays, so he can make gear and detta's out of scalvenged materials, However, they arn't at their full functionality, mostly they are just spots where Repair Detta's assemble stuff.

Also, I'm adding somthing. Projector Detta's act as signal Amplifiers, allowing Ven to control Detta's far outside his origional range.

@^ I think I will.

Ven has a network of hidden Signal Relay stations positioned throughout the world, basicallly the stuff that's inside the Relay Dettas, but without the Detta-stuff. Because Ven is constantly monitoring these relay points, they are very hard to tap into without his knowing, so they serve as a communications system for Resistance cells.
Finding these "Ven-Stations" is always a goal of the UNoA, however they are often very well hidden.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 11:44 PM
Idea: The central hub and backups of the ven stations are in the vendetta, however the vendetta crashes and sunk into the sea. The UNA has tried finding the "central hub", but they haven't searched underwater.

BRC
2008-12-19, 11:48 PM
Idea: The central hub and backups of the ven stations are in the vendetta, however the vendetta crashes and sunk into the sea. The UNA has tried finding the "central hub", but they haven't searched underwater.
Ooh, yeah. A pair of permenant teleportation circles set up by Lying provide transport between the Vendetta and the Citadel.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-19, 11:51 PM
Actually, an underwater super secret lair doesn't fit with the whole FI mindset. Perhaps FI begins with the UNA attacking the Vendetta underwater and the gang escaping?

BRC
2008-12-19, 11:55 PM
Actually, an underwater super secret lair doesn't fit with the whole FI mindset. Perhaps FI begins with the UNA attacking the Vendetta underwater and the gang escaping?
I think it does. It's not like the Vendetta can move.


Perhaps the "Central Engineering" portion (Inc Dettaburger) is capable of detatching from the rest of the structure, and is currently hiding at the bottom of Mesa Canyon, near the place where the Strembler Expedition found the Pre-Cataclysm technology that led to Schitzotech's scientific revolution.


Edit: OR! They are hiding in

Skornbail! Specifically, the parts of it where the Vendetta was origionally designed and built

kpenguin
2008-12-20, 12:01 AM
Hey guys, here's my character design for FI:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/kpenguin222/Avatars/kpenguin_dead.gif
Yeah, I'm joking. Well, sort of. KP won't exactly what you would call "alive" in the dark future of Future Imperfect
...

What do you guys think?

BRC
2008-12-20, 12:03 AM
Hey guys, here's my character design for FI:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/kpenguin222/Avatars/kpenguin_dead.gif
Yeah, I'm joking. Well, sort of. KP won't exactly what you would call "alive" in the dark future of Future Imperfect
...

What do you guys think?
Needs more BRAIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-20, 12:04 AM
What do you guys think?

Lacks a certain vitality.

Grim ranger
2008-12-20, 12:05 AM
Aah, my internet finally agrees to work again... I am baack!

And about scrapping FFF: I agree with TnD, we sshould be at least given some time to wrap up the buisness at Vendetta and have bit of climatic battle between goodies and baddies and all that whatnot. I have comic almost done, and after that you, TnD, can get us moved on from the bridge to confront the good guys. That can be bad idea, but I would like to hear opinions of people about the matter.

About FI, I would have no arguments against scrapping FFF, as long as subplots can be drawn to close in FFF before moving on. My character would evolve a bit to meet the requirements of new plot, maybe hood would go at last. I vote yes.

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-20, 12:36 AM
Kpenguin, you could be the twin children of Kpenguin, Mpenguin and Npenguin!

That, or one is Lpenguin's kid... I really don't know how the Letterpenguin family goes about naming their kids.

kpenguin
2008-12-20, 12:40 AM
They also use numbers and colors.

One pack of siblings was named Onepenguin, Twopenguin, Redpenguin, Bluepenguin.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 12:47 AM
Never... Again...

The resistance, as said, includes Schizotec and Alphantica. How's about after the grays allied with the Schizo, they had to evacuate, using the vendetta, to Schizo. Gray extremist groups, claiming that the UNA was the way of the future, sabotaged the vendetta. On its way to Shizo, it began spiraling out of control. By using the escape boats, most of the citizens escaped the vendetta, but the ship sank to the bottom of the sea. Now the grays live mostly in Schizotec and Alphantica, with a fair amount in the UNA.

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 12:55 AM
is their doctor perchance named seuse? :smallannoyed:

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-20, 12:56 AM
It can start with the main characters entering the Vendetta to excavate its sunken ruins and dig up things of use.

Fawkes
2008-12-20, 01:04 AM
I'll also start designing a FI character as well. Nothing major, probably just some person who shows up every 50-100 comics to annoy/advise the main group/character or something. You know, so it'll fit in better with my super busy real life schedule.

Why not just use Swagger? He was pretty cool.


Also, reading back through the archive, it seems to have lost focus.

What focus? We had focus? :smalltongue:


They also use numbers and colors.

One pack of siblings was named Onepenguin, Twopenguin, Redpenguin, Bluepenguin.

I lol'ed.

I'm trying to decide how some of my characters will be portrayed in FI. Here's what I have:

Mechafox will be relegated to more of a background role. He is now even more delusional, and will behave in an erratic (and often comedic) manner. I'm thinking he may have uploaded his consciousness into a much bigger system at some point, and perhaps may be inhabiting the system of the citadel or vendetta. Perhaps he shares a system with Ven? Their contrasting AIs could give some interesting interaction.

Philippe and his brothers will be present in the Resistance headquarters, but will not be active in the plot. Armando may show up to do machinery repairs, but I'm not planning any plot hooks about them.

Nobody and Jiken Keshou have not been seen since the Longcat battle. Their whereabouts and safety are unknown to everyone except me. :smallamused:

The corrupt Plotgoblins have reduced their activity to be much more passive, but are biased heavily against the Resistance. Of course, not everyone feels this way, and one plotgoblin who has been a background for quite some time will actually step up and become relevant to the plot, along with a handful of new goblins on both sides of the conflict.

With any luck, The Void may actually show up.

I have plans for an new character as well. A mysterious newcomer, if you will.

BRC
2008-12-20, 01:23 AM
Why not just use Swagger? He was pretty cool.



What focus? We had focus? :smalltongue:



I lol'ed.

I'm trying to decide how some of my characters will be portrayed in FI. Here's what I have:

Mechafox will be relegated to more of a background role. He is now even more delusional, and will behave in an erratic (and often comedic) manner. I'm thinking he may have uploaded his consciousness into a much bigger system at some point, and perhaps may be inhabiting the system of the citadel or vendetta. Perhaps he shares a system with Ven? Their contrasting AIs could give some interesting interaction.

Philippe and his brothers will be present in the Resistance headquarters, but will not be active in the plot. Armando may show up to do machinery repairs, but I'm not planning any plot hooks about them.

Nobody and Jiken Keshou have not been seen since the Longcat battle. Their whereabouts and safety are unknown to everyone except me. :smallamused:

The corrupt Plotgoblins have reduced their activity to be much more passive, but are biased heavily against the Resistance. Of course, not everyone feels this way, and one plotgoblin who has been a background for quite some time will actually step up and become relevant to the plot, along with a handful of new goblins on both sides of the conflict.

With any luck, The Void may actually show up.

I have plans for an new character as well. A mysterious newcomer, if you will.
Mecha could share a system with Ven. The two conciousneses are seperate, but they may occasionally switch mid-conversation.

kpenguin
2008-12-20, 01:24 AM
Never... Again...

The resistance, as said, includes Schizotec and Alphantica. How's about after the grays allied with the Schizo, they had to evacuate, using the vendetta, to Schizo. Gray extremist groups, claiming that the UNA was the way of the future, sabotaged the vendetta. On its way to Shizo, it began spiraling out of control. By using the escape boats, most of the citizens escaped the vendetta, but the ship sank to the bottom of the sea. Now the grays live mostly in Schizotec and Alphantica, with a fair amount in the UNA.

You might want to take Alphantica out of the equation.

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 02:13 AM
Sharnin is in the resistance. By then the entire population has already retreated into the demi plane. The only sharnians in avabaroy are millitary at that time.

Almighty Salmon
2008-12-20, 03:45 AM
Why not just use Swagger? He was pretty cool.

Good point. It would be interesting to see Swagger in the future.

Then again, there's no shame in having more than one character, right? :smalltongue:

(PS. I'm off now, back in a few days).

chriky
2008-12-20, 03:49 AM
I've only read the first few pages, but if we finish FFF all the people will bundle into Future imperfect there will be too many people to remember , too many sub plots and too much god modding. :smallmad:

edit: actually i'm quite annoyed, I went to bed last night and there were about ten of us participating in FI. It was a good idea and it wasn't too cramped. All the people who want to join won't understand it at all and anyone who wants to come back won't understand it either. I think we should keep both plots but just have each person decide which plot they want to be in and stick to it, that way one plot won't overpower the other. :smallfurious:. Finally this plot was letting people like me and MM who are often over looked in FFF to have a place in the spot light. But now all the people who we're main characters in FFF are coming in and are going to take control and pretty soon nobody will even remember I was in it. I might as well just give up now. :smallmad:

Nameless
2008-12-20, 04:23 AM
Great, I missed four Pages, can someone tell me what we're talking about, I'm too lazy to read through it.

JOIN MEPA!

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 05:20 AM
Tell me about it, just had to skim through like 12 pages of discussion.

All I caught was something about people wanting to end FFF or somesuch.

Bayar
2008-12-20, 06:32 AM
Hey Keris ! How about we make our own plot and story ? I never got to pay you back with the whole "Lord of catgirls" thing :amused:.

And since there are a couple of people here that could be interested in this...


Cat Fight - the new plotz :biggrin:

Keveak
2008-12-20, 07:32 AM
I read trough all the posts since my last one. Oww, my head. I would like to join FI with two characters:

Keveak was on the Vendetta 15 years ago, but when it fell into the ocean he was thrown out of it and raised by a tribe of island kobolds. Later he found out it (the tribe) where created by his family (he was found by gnomes as an egg so he had no idea whom or where his family where). He got married with another kobold named Kethia (Keveak was told his kobold name (Arget Silverbreath) by his family). They had two kids (yup, my FI characters is my FFF characters kids):

Flayon: A seven year old kobold druid with an odd green eye color. He mostly follows his brother acting as an healer and sometimes fighting. His personality is childish and he often do small magic tricks for fun, this might annoy other because it makes their stuff float or their clothes pink. He's Chaotic good.

Argonath: The older brother of Flayon. He's fourteen years old and much more serious than his brother. He looks very different from other kobolds with his silver colored skin, wings and red eyes. He's a sorcerer/cleric of his heritage (Not a third party sourge).

Both are members of the resistance.
The island their family lived on was destroid five years ago with everyone in the tribe (including Keveak:smallfrown:). They sees Ven as a substitude parent because he was the one who found them and helped them when the island was destroied.
Well what do you think:smallsmile:

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 08:08 AM
Cat Fight - the new plotz :biggrin:

As the appointed countess of catgirls, I approve of this.
my (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4033685&postcount=1389) credentials (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4033412&postcount=1382)

Emperor Ing
2008-12-20, 08:11 AM
Cat Fight - the new plotz :biggrin:

*reloads storm bolters*

evil_d4_swarm
2008-12-20, 08:47 AM
Hey Threeshades, thanks for spotting the error with my d4s. I fixed them and I also fixed my FI character:

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww327/evil_d4_swarm/d9d4085e.png

Keveak
2008-12-20, 08:53 AM
My FI characters:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6948/argonathflayon1qb9.png
Argonath to the left and Flayon to the right.

Emperor Ing
2008-12-20, 08:55 AM
My FI characters:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6948/argonathflayon1qb9.png
Argonath to the left and Flayon to the right.

OMG argorath is a zombie!

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-20, 09:13 AM
As the appointed countess of catgirls, I approve of this.
my (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4033685&postcount=1389) credentials (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4033412&postcount=1382)

So, as the Marquis, I'm meant to feel an obligation, then? Sod.

Keris
2008-12-20, 09:20 AM
Hey Keris ! How about we make our own plot and story ? I never got to pay you back with the whole "Lord of catgirls" thing :amused:.

And since there are a couple of people here that could be interested in this...


Cat Fight - the new plotz :biggrin:

I claimed that title fair and square. It's not my fault I had the idea first.

Threeshades
2008-12-20, 09:20 AM
OMG argorath is a zombie!

flying zombie

Nameless
2008-12-20, 09:25 AM
flying zombie

Flying zombie Jesus?

Threeshades
2008-12-20, 09:33 AM
Flying zombie Jesus?

Flaming zombie jesus

T-O-E
2008-12-20, 09:38 AM
Every new beginning comes from some other beginnning's end.

Emperor Ing
2008-12-20, 09:42 AM
Flaming zombie jesus

Flying flaming robot pirate ninja zombie jesus

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 09:45 AM
I probably shouldn't bother reentering FFF with this FI plot on the horizon..

Has it been decided yet whether FFF will run alongside of FI, or if triple F is gonna be killed off?

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 09:56 AM
I've only read the first few pages, but if we finish FFF all the people will bundle into Future imperfect there will be too many people to remember , too many sub plots and too much god modding. :smallmad:

That's why we will have more sophisticated rules in the sequel. Such as No Subplots and having a character sheet (not in the D&D sense, but one with the backstory, the personality and the abilities of character) before making any comics so we can judge if the character is appropriate.

I'm actually happy with the proposition of ending Fat Fish Fury. We can now start anew and we will have learned from our mistakes. Even with its flaws, Fat Fish Fury was a good thing.


edit: actually i'm quite annoyed, I went to bed last night and there were about ten of us participating in FI. It was a good idea and it wasn't too cramped. All the people who want to join won't understand it at all and anyone who wants to come back won't understand it either. I think we should keep both plots but just have each person decide which plot they want to be in and stick to it, that way one plot won't overpower the other. :smallfurious:. Finally this plot was letting people like me and MM who are often over looked in FFF to have a place in the spot light. But now all the people who we're main characters in FFF are coming in and are going to take control and pretty soon nobody will even remember I was in it. I might as well just give up now. :smallmad:

I don't want to be rude, but a main character is someone who drives the story. Without him, the plot would be very different. The easiest way to become a main character in ABR is to start early and push the story forward. It's not a matter of power, but a matter of being important. In ABR, if you're important, you can decide where the other character will go.

And keep in mind that Almighty Salmon (and possibly Threeshades) will not wind up being important in Future Imperfect. There are plenty of important seats to be taken. I've taken that of the world builder, and it's your choice if you want to take that of the main character.


I probably shouldn't bother reentering FFF with this FI plot on the horizon..

Has it been decided yet whether FFF will run alongside of FI, or if triple F is gonna be killed off?

Fat Fish Fury will not be killed. It's like a film series; you don't kill a film to start a sequel.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-20, 10:00 AM
and it's your choice if you want to take that of the main character.


Well if it's my choice, yeah, I be the main character. :smallamused::smallbiggrin:

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-20, 10:01 AM
Flying flaming robot pirate ninja zombie jesus

Right, stop that. It's silly. And a bit suspect, I think. Time for a cartoon. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Qhbdijv5Y&feature=PlayList&p=9B012DC11AA3B6F9&playnext=1&index=14) Only not me, now, because it's 2 am and I'm going to bed. The line's at the end.

I probably shouldn't bother reentering FFF with this FI plot on the horizon..

So when's this thing gonna start off?

Not for some time, I'd say. Call it six months, eight at the outset.
EDIT: Assuming we're ending 3F first. I've seen quite a number of votes in favour of this.

I'm actually happy with the proposition of ending Fat Fish Fury.
Fat Fish Fury will not be killed. It's like a film series; you don't kill a film to start a sequel.

Objection! There is a contradiction in the witness' testimony!

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 10:03 AM
Damn, I figured it'd be the day after tomorrow or some such.

I think I'll stay away from any plots until this new one is out, might try my hand at that then. Really burnt out at the moment, not really happy with any character designs I come up with. :smalltongue:

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 10:20 AM
On a somewhat different note, Is FI going to be magic centric? I'd assume with the sovices/una etc that tech would be somewhat more.. available.

T-O-E
2008-12-20, 10:25 AM
Will the Sovices capture all of elvenkind and place them in zoos?

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 10:25 AM
On a somewhat different note, Is FI still going to be magic centric? I'd assume with the sovices/una etc that tech would be making a comeback of sorts.

Magic will be used mostly by the resistance (someone should really find a good name for it), while the general technology level will be that of the Industrial Revolution, except in important metropolis such as Kashu, Blauport or Salmonville. For some reason, the Sovice are letting the people of Avbaroy develop their own technology.


Will the Sovices capture all of elvenkind and place them in zoos?

Yes, but High Elves will live in reserves, much like some indigenous Americans on modern Earth.

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-20, 10:39 AM
The problem I have with this plot is it's going to be gritty. I'm not good at gritty. I prefer a setting where awesome people do awesome things that are awesome.

memnarch
2008-12-20, 10:45 AM
So do gritty things that are awesome.

Like building cars out of random parts that look like they should fall apart, but are actually very useful. (and very durable)

Ninja Chocobo
2008-12-20, 10:55 AM
Like building cars out of random parts that look like they should fall apart, but are actually very useful. (and very durable)

Then punting it through a skyscraper!
...
.....Nnnno. Doesn't work. See?

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 11:01 AM
Just try to think of Hellsing whenever you make a comic Ninja. It's gritty, but still awesome. :smalltongue:

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 11:28 AM
I think that in this new plot we could require i dunno like two or something weeks of training in one of the other plots and in that time help them learn the rules and improve their art. That way the people that enter future imperfect won't be without knowlege of the rules or art skill.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 11:38 AM
But if we end FFF, the only options then are Plot Three, and SDSB. I'm not counting PW/SW because they have no indication of art talent.

Keris
2008-12-20, 11:39 AM
Maybe we should move FI out of ABR. I mean, it's even more unrelated to the original than FFF was, first we have a plot, now we're going to have restrictions on what people can do. We could make a new thread, listing FI as a "collaborative webcomic".

EDIT: @V: We could keep that here. Re-name it "ABR and FI Discussion thread", or something similar.

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 11:43 AM
I dunno it seems to sound good. We'd need a discussion for that one too though.

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 11:47 AM
I dunno it seems to sound good. We'd need a discussion for that one too though.

I get the feeling that the other denizens of the arts and crafts section aren't gonna be too happy about another Abr thread. :smalltongue:

memnarch
2008-12-20, 11:48 AM
Wha? There are other people in the A&C section?:smalltongue:

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 11:48 AM
What, they have two threads for Shipping. And ABR has been around twice as long. Thus, we should have FOUR THREADS!:smalltongue:

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 12:02 PM
YESH!!! :smallamused:

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 12:03 PM
Maybe we should move FI out of ABR. I mean, it's even more unrelated to the original than FFF was, first we have a plot, now we're going to have restrictions on what people can do. We could make a new thread, listing FI as a "collaborative webcomic".

EDIT: @V: We could keep that here. Re-name it "ABR and FI Discussion thread", or something similar.

Future Imperfect is as related to Avatar Battle Royale as Fat Fish Fury. FFF also has rules, but Future Imperfect is stricter. And we still use our avatars for the most part.

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 12:06 PM
Speaking of comics.... MASK!?!:smallfurious:







:smalltongue:

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-20, 12:30 PM
OK. I think I have an idea.

In FI, we make two new threads: The discussion threat, and the comic thread, as in ABR as we know it today.

However, in the first post of the comic thread, we have a much more detailed list of rules and explanations.

We can also have a "How do I join?" Section in the first post, detailing the procedure. Step 1 is to post in the Discussion thread with a character application, including a picture, detailed description (with details not noticeable on the picture), a personality, a background, and a "Stretched Sheet." By "Stretched Sheet," I mean a basic measurement of powers and abilities. It doesn't have to line up with the DnD universe, but it should be clearly defined what your character is capable of. In your sheet, on the rare case, we will also allow people to state that their power can fluctuate (like Calamities' and Threeshades') frequently, as long as they explain it and give us the limits on either end.

After the application, everyone in FI will have a vote on whether or not to accept the new character. We will post that the voting will be harsh, and they should not feel bad if their application is turned down. In order to be accepted, you need at least 50% of the general public's vote. The only problem with this system is, who starts out in and out?

As for the no sub-plots, as I've said- you can do things differently from the others, as long as it has relevance to the actual plot. This means, no running off to pursue your own character's goals. No randomly switching. What you can do, on the other hand, is leave the area in order to search for a powerful amulet that will help the resistance destroy the Sovice (or something along those lines). As long as it contributes and has meaning, it should be accepted.

How does that sound?

evil_d4_swarm
2008-12-20, 12:33 PM
I think that sounds good. Should I write up an application?

Keris
2008-12-20, 12:35 PM
The only problem with this system is, who starts out in and out?

We start off with everyone who wants to participate posting a character sheet, and have a general ABR vote. People have 24 hours to vote on whether a character is "in" or "out", and any major revisions of the characters will need a new vote. After FI has started, then characters can be voted on by the people actively participating in FI.

We need something to keep ABR going though. SDSB is fairly small, there isn't the breadth for sub-plots we have in FFF. I mean, none of my characters in FFF care about the Dragon Talisman. People need somewhere where they can sandbox.

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 12:38 PM
Question! Why do we need a separate thread for FI? It's merely a new Abr plot, and we've never made a new thread simply because of a new plot?

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 12:39 PM
I don't like it. all that will do is discourage people from joining. In addition, i don't think that those of us that are already here should have to be voted in by people here. It should just be brand new people that have no clue what they are doing.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 12:52 PM
Oliver
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/oliver426/g34346.png
Character Power Level: Low Epic Swordsage with homebrew discipline, known as "Planar Journeyman". He has training in Acrobatics, as well as with firearms.

Description: Since FFF his scar has grown, as can be seen. He has fallen into compulsive smoking, and roams cities freely with his gang, a sub-group of the Resistance. Included in the gang is Jakob, his grandson, and (If he agrees) the Q.

Background: He was born into a fairly wealthy Gray family, and went on foreign exchange, where he met Igon. After he graduated, he went to a university in Sigil. Next, he started a 557 year voyage of the planes. When he went to Carceri, he fell in love with a succubus named Elizabeth, and she had a child named Lily. Eventually, the relationship went sour, as most relationships with a succubus do. Along the way, he gained service of the Vendetta, and the Dettas.

After this, he fell in love with a planetar named Kella. He left a few years later, and when he returned, he found out that she had given birth to his son, Arthur. And Kemor, an Astral Deva, was married to Kella. He gained full custody of the child, and took him with him for the remainder of the voyage. A teleportation accident sent Oliver to the Citadel, and the ship to Fudge Land. During FFF, Oliver allied with Igon again. Later, he fought against Threeshades. He boarded the Vendetta, and fought, and later allied with Q. He rendezvoused with the Dettas, and attempted to free Ven.

Keris
2008-12-20, 12:54 PM
I don't like it. all that will do is discourage people from joining. In addition, i don't think that those of us that are already here should have to be voted in by people here. It should just be brand new people that have no clue what they are doing.
But even people who are part of ABR can completely misjudge the setting and come up with a character who makes no sense. Q originally wanted to use a Poke-Mon who joined a Resistance group to get fit.

Tiffanie Lirle
2008-12-20, 12:55 PM
@Shades
So what happened to his morphy sword thingamajig?

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 12:56 PM
He still has it, as a memento. He uses guns at a range, but materializes his sword in melee. It's not unique to him, it's a gray weapon known as "the Gray armblade". Using magitek it can materialize and grow.

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 01:05 PM
Can I add your "character sheet" on the wiki, Shades of Gray ? This way, we won't have to search through the discussion thread to find the information.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 01:06 PM
Sure thing. I'm just waiting for Q to say Yay or nay to the motorcycle gang.

evil_d4_swarm
2008-12-20, 01:10 PM
Alright, here's mine:

Hivemind
http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww327/evil_d4_swarm/d9d4085e.png

One of the crystaline d4s of legend. Hivemind has collected, overpowered, and incorperated two other crystal d4s. Over the past 15 years, Hivemind has become more single-minded in his quest for the other shards. He joined the resistance out of self-defense after stealing a shard from sovice forces.

Powers:

Flight

He can fly reasonably fast, outpacing a car at his fastest.
Invisibility

Kind of self-explanitory. Hivemindturns it on and off at will.
D4 Swarm

Hivemind can summon semi-sentient d4s out of thin air. He controls them through the hivemind that he is named for.

There are three types of d4s that Hivemind can summon:
Blue: These can fly as fast as Hivemind, and they shoot heat-rays (also blue). Hivemind mostly summons these.
Green: These are like blues, except instead of shooting beams, shey self destruct in five-foot radius burst of energy.
Orange: These only can roll for movement. They also bit. Hivemind rarely summons this type of swarm.
Projection: Four blue d4 beams passing through Hivemind create a mental projection of his origin.
Magic: Hivemind can shoot beams of energy, teleport, and do other assorted minor magical effects.

kpenguin
2008-12-20, 01:15 PM
Ooo, ooo, me too!

Kpenguin's Corpse
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/kpenguin222/Avatars/kpenguin_dead.gif

Description
Its the dead body of Kpenguin. He's dead Jim. His interests include rotting, staying still, and attracting flies.

Abilities

Preservation: For some reason, Kpenguin's corpse decomposes at a slow rate.
Unraisable: For some reason, Kpenguin cannot be raised or ressurected from the dead in any way
Immortal Flies: A mass of unkillable, but harmless, flies swarm around the corpse.


...


In all seriousness, I probably won't release my character sheet until FFF ends. What happens to Kpen is a spoiler... sort of.

T-O-E
2008-12-20, 01:22 PM
I deleted my old ABR character (Calamity, Lying etc.) templates. Re-creating them now. Will post when finished, even if I never get to use them in a comic.

chriky
2008-12-20, 01:24 PM
My character page for FI.

Appearance:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/Hpandy_Johnston/Chriky/chrikyfuture.png
He is a quite high leveled ranger / rouge who prefers to use more traditional weaponry not guns. He is only 36 and just reaching his prime and so is a strong fighter

Description: Since FFF he has become a very close allie to Lying and is looking after him through his illness. He is often sent on the hardest of Resistance missions and is extremely well trusted by all that know him, and feared by most of the UNA. Even thogh he is working beside them he is renowned for his hatred of schizotechians.

Background: He is half draconic and was neglected by his draconic father. His whole family have an oath to protect Sildyu and all her heirs but when Threeshades died this oath was lifted. He went off adventuring ahd trying to find his brother Firedrake. He eventually found firedrake and started working with Lying to stop Threeshades shades (note that the oath binds him to threeshades soul not her shades). When the UNA came to power he fought valiantly alongside the resistance and that's why he is so well respected.

Green-Shirt Q
2008-12-20, 01:48 PM
Sure thing. I'm just waiting for Q to say Yay or nay to the motorcycle gang.

I say YAY!

Right-o. Time to make my character sheets. I'll be back in a while.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 01:54 PM
Jakob
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/oliver426/g37073.pnghttp://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/oliver426/g36942.png

Character Power Level: Mid level (8-14) Tiefling rogue. Great skills in riding a motorcycle. Wields a single pistol.

Description: He rarely shows his eyes, prefering to wear his shades over them. The amulet he is wearing is a reminder that some people made poor decisions (Like his father) and chose to side with the UNA. He is Oliver's driver, as Oliver prefers to maintain the gunner position.

Background: He was born in Blauport, when Lily was in a relationship with Antoine. After, Lily left to Carceri, and Antoine and Jakob moved to
Surport. He lived his life thinking that he had no grandfather, as Antoine thought that he would be a corrupting influence. He met his grandfather, Oliver, and learned of Ins and the evil of the UNA. He tried to explain this to his father, but he didn't listen. Jakob ran away from home with Oliver and joined the resistance.

Fawkes
2008-12-20, 01:59 PM
Okay, I think we're putting waaay too many restrictions on this. We're not going to hold a vote to see if people can join. The character sheets are fine, but the requirements for newbies need to be simple.

We also need to make sure we're not alienating our longtime contributors. Future Imperfect is a continuation of the Fat Fish Fury storyline. It doesn't need its own thread or its own discussion thread. It's still ABR. And just because the story is grittier, doesn't mean everything has to be brown and gray. Empire Strikes Back was gritty, and it still had room for color and humor. NC can do any awesome things he wants. The Rule of Cool, Rule of Funny, and Rule of Awesome all still apply to FFF2: FI. If we eliminate all the humor and awesometude, we're gonna get bored FAST.

Also, I think Mechafox should command the Resistance's communication systems.

*Oliver is engaged in a firefight. He presses a button on his Codec or whatever.*
"Mecha, we're in trouble here! Get me Chriky!"
"I'll patch you through, Senator. Would you like to try a combo meal?"
"Uh, maybe next time."

chriky
2008-12-20, 02:20 PM
So when are we allowed to dtart making FFF comics.

memnarch
2008-12-20, 02:22 PM
I think you mean FI comics; in about a week or so, likely more.

Lyinginbedmon
2008-12-20, 02:23 PM
I'm in favour of splitting FI off from the ABR thread, the genre, rules, etc. are all drastically changed compared to FFF, and I think to ABR in general.

chriky
2008-12-20, 02:25 PM
I think you mean FI comics; in about a week or so, likely more.

I did mean FI thanks. But i'm very impatient and waiting becomes boring i'll have to find something to fill the time. Suggestions?

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 02:26 PM
Participate in FFF, SDSB, P3...

Two hours later:

Ride a bicycle, perfect nuclear fission, save the planet from global warming...

chriky
2008-12-20, 02:28 PM
Participate in FFF, SDSB, P3...

Two hours later:

Ride a bicycle, perfect nuclear fission, save the planet from global warming...

I'm gonna try and save the planet from global warming.

Keris
2008-12-20, 02:31 PM
Participate in FFF, SDSB, P3...

Two hours later:

Ride a bicycle, perfect nuclear fission, save the planet from global warming...

Bah! Fusion is the way to go.

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 02:34 PM
@Lyinginbedmon: How exactly is Future Imperfect that different from the rest of the plots ? Plot 3 is not High Fantasy and yet you consider it part of Avatar Battle Royale. The rules are simply to make the plot less complicated and the characters a little more fleshed out and consistent with the rest of the setting.

kpenguin
2008-12-20, 02:57 PM
I think the difference is that consistency and perhaps the tone of the setting. ABR has always been sort of like Dr. McNinja or something... awesome piled on awesome with more awesome attached from the sheer randomness or silliness of the setting. The thread was about fun and funny.

I fear that the darker and edgierness might put off a lot of people and detract from the general spirit of ABr.

chriky
2008-12-20, 03:03 PM
I think the difference is that consistency and perhaps the tone of the setting. ABR has always been sort of like Dr. McNinja or something... awesome piled on awesome with more awesome attached from the sheer randomness or silliness of the setting. The thread was about fun and funny.

I fear that the darker and edgierness might put off a lot of people and detract from the general spirit of ABr.

It is gonna be darker but It's still a direct link to FFF. We will still have lively plots SDSB and P3 and there will still be random killing but it seems funny to seperate two things that are so linked in with each other.

Keveak
2008-12-20, 03:07 PM
Since technolocy is bigger in FI would it make sence for magic to be unstabble (spells are less specific and trustworthy, ex. mage hand doesn't cary same amount each time or even carry stuff) And dragonheritaged (the feat and the half-dragon) to be hunted and rare these days (only two half-dragons and two dragon heritaged).
@Nameless: He's a SILVER-COLORED dragonwrought kobold (his heritage and his dragonwroughtness made him almost half-dragon).

I'll get done with their powers soon.

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 03:12 PM
Since technolocy is bigger in FI would it make sence for magic to be unstabble (spells are less specific and trustworthy, ex. mage hand doesn't cary same amount each time or even carry stuff) And dragonheritaged (the feat and the half-dragon) to be hunted and rare these days (only two half-dragons and two dragon heritaged).
@Nameless: He's a SILVER-COLORED dragonwrought kobold (his heritage and his dragonwroughtness made him almost half-dragon).

I'll get done with their powers soon.

No. It doesn't make sense that technology and magic are incompatible. And the UNA does not hunt other species; they put them in zoos or integrate them in society.

@Kpenguin: I think it's refreshing to explore other genres for a while. For me, if things stay the same for too long, it starts to get old. Besides, adding more grit is good in my opinion, as it makes the villains seem more threatening.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 03:16 PM
So who are the known villains? Ins is. But we need more memorable villains. I'm thinking that Antoine (Jakob's dad and Oliver's son-in-law) would be a villain, and he would often fight with Oliver and his son.

chriky
2008-12-20, 03:19 PM
Firedrake says he wants to be a villain.

His story is that he spent too much time in his dragon form and turned evil. i'll make a charcter page for him.

Mad Mask are you gonna make an Ins character page.

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-20, 03:20 PM
Here's my application. I spoilered it because it is very long.
Kr'klk S'kl'k'kk "The Raging Flame"
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/TiredNDrowzy/Thri-kreen2.png
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/TiredNDrowzy/Thri-kreen-5.png
Notable Characteristics: The Raging Flame, as the resistance has taken to calling him, has a very hard time communicating verbally with others. Instead, he tends to communicate with thought. Although he knows how to speak their language, he is physically incapable of doing so. His mind has been trained by his tribe's shaman, and he has learned very quickly. At the young age of four, The Raging Flame is capable of bending reality at will. The dark green carapace surrounding his body is naturally there; it is his body's outer shell. The dark orange plates were originally the same color of green, but he colored them in a thri-kreen ritual, marking him as a firemind. His physical voice is high pitched, and made up of shrill clicks and hisses. His mental voice does not actually exist, and thus has no voice. It exists entirely in concept.

Personality: The Raging Flame has a hard time understanding people. Despite his young age, he acts very mature, although his standards are different. He feels no remorse for killing those he does not understand, and he fights for what he feels is right. He does not generally rush to conclusions, but the actions he does take are considered by others to be very rash, though he does generally think hard about doing them. He never feels sad, for he feels that it is better to move on, and nothing can be achieved by grieving.

Background:
-Part One: Firemind
The Raging Flame was born and raised in the S'kl'k'kk Thri-Kreen clan in the softwind desert. Among his hundreds of hatchery-kin, The Raging Flame was the only with the mental capabilities and organization of a firemind. At the age of sixteen months, he was taken in by the great shaman to begin his training. The firemind training is normally a very long and arduous path, but The Raging Flame was able to grasp even the most mind-boggling concepts with ease. When he was twenty months old, he overpowered the shaman during his training, though he was only half way through his full training. He finished his training within the next month, and he was able to participate in the branding ritual along with a much older age group. Although The Raging Flame asked the great shaman to be his replacement, he was turned down, for his mind was not as others, and he could endanger the other potential fireminds. In his rage, The Raging Flame attacked the shaman, killing him on the spot. Although among his tribe this made him the new shaman, he quickly saw the error in his ways, and understood why he could not become the shaman. Although he was brilliant, he was not wise enough to teach others. In shame, he fled the village, and ran through the desert for days.

-Part Two: The Sovice Platoon
Eventually, he found the edge of the desert. He had never known there was anything past the desert, for his tribe was stationary. Amazed, he took his firsts steps out of the desert, and was quickly overcome by the moisture and plantlife. His power began to diminish, for he was losing contact with his motherland. His shame, however, kept him moving. After many more days of travel, he came across a Sovice platoon. They began to speak words The Raging Flame did not understand. Confused, he attempted to communicate. However, one of the hastier troops soon attacked him, and The Raging Flame fought through the entire platoon, burning them from the inside out, and dropping others still by overwhelming them mentally. When he had dispatched the platoon, he continued on his way, unsure of where he was headed. Soon, a storm began to brew. Amidst the rain, The Raging Flame was lost. He began to wander aimlessly, unsure of where he was headed. When the storm ended, he knew not where he was, nor where he was traveling.

-Part Three: The City and the Scholar
The Raging Flame was attacked by several other Sovice platoons over the next few months, and he soon found himself traveling towards a strange cluster of steel and brick. It was a city, but the Raging Flame had never encountered anything of the sort. When he arrived at the gates, he and the guards were both utterly confused. This time, The Raging Flame made no actions to attack, and he planned to flee if they showed any signs of hostility. After about a half an hour of digging through their manuals and books, the guards learned what he was. Luckily for the guards, according to their records, there was a scholar currently researching the patterns of the Thri-Kreen life in the Softwind Desert. The scholar arrived several hours later, and he knew how to communicate with The Raging Flame. When the scholar had learned of the fate that had befallen him, he decided to ask the Sovice to spare the creature from their relentless attacks. The man never returned. The guards quickly apprehended The Raging Flame after setting up an antimagic field, and they took him to a helicopter bound for the Softwind Desert.

-Part Four: Left to Die
They landed him in the middle of nowhere, sending him off. However, as the helicopter took off again, it was quickly shot down by a rusty, make-shift Resistance Vehicle several thousand feet off. The Raging Flame didn't understand much, but he did understand that the enemy of an enemy is a friend. He quickly ran towards the vehicle. When he arrived, the Resistance began to inspect him. He was wearing antimagic shackles bearing the mark of the Sovice. Clearly, he was not their ally. Luckily for The Raging Flame, one of the people riding in the vehicle was a knowledgeable magus, and he was able to delve into the thoughts and memories of The Raging Flame, and even have a conversation inside his head. Clearly, this being was alien, yet also brilliant.

-Part Five: Vengeance
After several minutes of conversation, they were interrupted by a far-off explosion. They quickly hurried towards it, and The Raging Flame recognized the site. It was where he had grown up; his village. And it was being bombed by the Sovice. Many of The Raging Flame's kin were captured and hauled away; many others were mercilessly slaughtered. Clearly they saw the Thri-Kreen as a threat to them. The magus began to explain to The Raging Flame the goals of the resistance, and he knew that this being would make a valuable ally to them. He was not just fighting to bring down the oppressive government. He was fighting to avenge his comrades.

-Part Six: The Resistance
The Raging Flame did not speak much in the rest of the trip, and he was quickly brought to the Resistance's headquarters. He began his military training, and the magus quickly taught him different uses of magic and telepathy. After another month of training, The Raging Flame learned the language of the humans, and he also learned to communicate it through his mind. He further refined his powers, and began to fight for the resistance. He quickly became known as The Raging Flame among the resistance. He fought diligently for the resistance for the next few years, and quickly ascended the ranks. He now resides as a military head of special forces.

Powers/Abilities: The Raging Flame is based loosely on the Soulknife and Pyrokineticist class from the Expanded Psionics Handbook. He can conjure two flaming whips and two mindblades at will, and his fire can burn through even the toughest of steel. He can enter the minds of willing others, or forcefully read the minds of those unwilling. With focus, he can also crush the minds of the weak-willed.

kpenguin
2008-12-20, 03:24 PM
@Kpenguin: I think it's refreshing to explore other genres for a while. For me, if things stay the same for too long, it starts to get old. Besides, adding more grit is good in my opinion, as it makes the villains seem more threatening.

I'm fine with adding more grit and substance to the plot. I'm also fine with making it a little more darker. However, ABR and its plots must remain, at its core, light-hearted. I want FI to be like Empire Strikes Back, not Warhammer 40k.

chriky
2008-12-20, 03:25 PM
Here's my application. I spoilered it because it is very long.
Kr'klk S'kl'k'kk "The Raging Flame"
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/TiredNDrowzy/Thri-kreen2.png
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/TiredNDrowzy/Thri-kreen-5.png
Notable Characteristics: The Raging Flame, as the resistance has taken to calling him, has a very hard time communicating verbally with others. Instead, he tends to communicate with thought. Although he knows how to speak their language, he is physically incapable of doing so. His mind has been trained by his tribe's shaman, and he has learned very quickly. At the young age of four, The Raging Flame is capable of bending reality at will. The dark green carapace surrounding his body is naturally there; it is his body's outer shell. The dark orange plates were originally the same color of green, but he colored them in a thri-kreen ritual, marking him as a firemind. His physical voice is high pitched, and made up of shrill clicks and hisses. His mental voice does not actually exist, and thus has no voice. It exists entirely in concept.

Personality: The Raging Flame has a hard time understanding people. Despite his young age, he acts very mature, although his standards are different. He feels no remorse for killing those he does not understand, and he fights for what he feels is right. He does not generally rush to conclusions, but the actions he does take are considered by others to be very rash, though he does generally think hard about doing them. He never feels sad, for he feels that it is better to move on, and nothing can be achieved by grieving.

Background: The Raging Flame was born and raised in the S'kl'k'kk Thri-Kreen clan in the softwind desert. Among his hundreds of hatchery-kin, The Raging Flame was the only with the mental capabilities and organization of a firemind. At the age of sixteen months, he was taken in by the great shaman to begin his training. The firemind training is normally a very long and arduous path, but The Raging Flame was able to grasp even the most mind-boggling concepts with ease. When he was twenty months old, he overpowered the shaman during his training, though he was only half way through his full training. He finished his training within the next month, and he was able to participate in the branding ritual along with a much older age group. Although The Raging Flame asked the great shaman to be his replacement, he was turned down, for his mind was not as others, and he could endanger the other potential fireminds. In his rage, The Raging Flame attacked the shaman, killing him on the spot. Although among his tribe this made him the new shaman, he quickly saw the error in his ways, and understood why he could not become the shaman. Although he was brilliant, he was not wise enough to teach others. In shame, he fled the village, and ran through the desert for days. Eventually, he found the edge of the desert. He had never known there was anything past the desert, for his tribe was stationary. Amazed, he took his firsts steps out of the desert, and was quickly overcome by the moisture and plantlife. His power began to diminish, for he was losing contact with his motherland. His shame, however, kept him moving. After many more days of travel, he came across a Sovice platoon. They began to speak words The Raging Flame did not understand. Confused, he attempted to communicate. However, one of the hastier troops soon attacked him, and The Raging Flame fought through the entire platoon, burning them from the inside out, and dropping others still by overwhelming them mentally. When he had dispatched the platoon, he continued on his way, unsure of where he was headed. Soon, a storm began to brew. Amidst the rain, The Raging Flame was lost. He began to wander aimlessly, unsure of where he was headed. When the storm ended, he knew not where he was, nor where he was traveling. He was attacked by several other Sovice platoons over the next few months, and he soon found himself traveling towards a strange cluster of steel and brick. It was a city, but the Raging Flame had never encountered anything of the sort. When he arrived at the gates, he and the guards were both utterly confused. This time, The Raging Flame made no actions to attack, and he planned to flee if they showed any signs of hostility. After about a half an hour of digging through their manuals and books, the guards learned what he was. Luckily for the guards, according to their records, there was a scholar currently researching the patterns of the Thri-Kreen life in the Softwind Desert. The scholar arrived several hours later, and he knew how to communicate with The Raging Flame. When the scholar had learned of the fate that had befallen him, he decided to ask the Sovice to spare the creature from their relentless attacks. The man never returned. The guards quickly apprehended The Raging Flame after setting up an antimagic field, and they took him to a helicopter bound for the Softwind Desert. They landed him in the middle of nowhere, sending him off. However, as the helicopter took off again, it was quickly shot down by a rusty, make-shift Resistance Vehicle several thousand feet off. The Raging Flame didn't understand much, but he did understand that the enemy of an enemy is a friend. He quickly ran towards the vehicle. When he arrived, the Resistance began to inspect him. He was wearing antimagic shackles bearing the mark of the Sovice. Clearly, he was not their ally. Luckily for The Raging Flame, one of the people riding in the vehicle was a knowledgeable magus, and he was able to delve into the thoughts and memories of The Raging Flame, and even have a conversation inside his head. Clearly, this being was alien, yet also brilliant. After several minutes of conversation, they were interrupted by a far-off explosion. They quickly hurried towards it, and The Raging Flame recognized the site. It was where he had grown up; his village. And it was being bombed by the Sovice. Clearly they saw the Thri-Kreen as a threat to them. The magus began to explain to The Raging Flame the goals of the resistance, and he knew that this being would make a valuable ally to them. He was not just fighting to bring down the oppressive government. He was fighting to avenge his comrades. The Raging Flame did not speak much in the rest of the trip, and he was quickly brought to the Resistance's headquarters. He began his military training, and the magus quickly taught him different uses of magic and telepathy. After another month of training, The Raging Flame learned the language of the humans, and he also learned to communicate it through his mind. He further refined his powers, and began to fight for the resistance. He quickly became known as The Raging Flame among the resistance. He fought diligently for the resistance for the next few years, and quickly ascended the ranks. He now resides as a military head of special forces.

Powers/Abilities: The Raging Flame is based loosely on the Soulknife and Pyrokineticist class from the Expanded Psionics Handbook. He can conjure two flaming whips and two mindblades at will, and his fire can burn through even the toughest of steel. He can enter the minds of willing others, or forcefully read the minds of those unwilling. With focus, he can also crush the minds of the weak-willed.

i'm sorry but i can't be bothered to read all that so could you give me a brief synopsis of his background.

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 03:26 PM
The antagonists of Future Imperfect aren't really what you would call "villains", except maybe Ins. In order of importance there is Oscar, Prince of Salmonville and Vice-President of the Main Assembly of the United Nations of Avbaroy, Charles Caelerus, who joined the UNA and helped unite Pericle, Ex-High Senator Gwyn, Prime Minister of New Alphantica (a country of pro-UNA Guinoids), Sir Dmitry Reinfedl, Speaker of the Lockutan Parliament and many others.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 03:27 PM
Maybe format it so it is more readable, using dunno, paragraphs.:smalltongue:

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 03:28 PM
I honestly don't want to make a sheet. You guys know my character, how strong he is. Even though he is very strong he doesn't display power very often.

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-20, 03:32 PM
OK. I'll do it in numbered bullet points.
The Raging Flame grew up in the Softwind desert with a Thri-Kreen clan
He greatly excellent in his studies to become a fire mind, which is a title of great honor in his clan.
He quickly surpassed even his master, and he killed his master in a fit of rage when he was rejected to become the new master
He ran away, and, after many days of random wandering, came upon a Sovice Platoon.
He killed the platoon in self-defense, and was attacked by many other platoons over the next few months.
He soon arrived at a city, where he was taken slightly more hospitably. A Thri-kreen Scholar heard of his perils and left to ask the Sovice to call off the bounty.
The man never returned, and The Raging Flame was quickly imprisoned and brought to the Softwind Desert, where he was left to die
He found the Resistance, who shot down the helicopter that had left him. There, he met a magus who could communicate with him mentally.
They soon returned to The Raging Flame's place of birth to find it attacked by the Sovice.
The Raging Flame swore to avenge his kin, and he joined the reistance.
He quickly learned to communicate via telepathy, and he fought diligently for the resistance.
He now resides as the Military Head of Special Operations for the Resistance.


Better? The Resistance actually had real reasons for trusting him, and it's much more fleshed out and less 2-dimensional than this brief overview.

The Raging Flame is his nickname.

EDIT: Also changing my previous post to make it more readable.

memnarch
2008-12-20, 03:35 PM
That's better. I'm not a big fan of overly descriptive text; relatively short and to the point for me.

Good story too.

chriky
2008-12-20, 03:35 PM
Firedrake's FI story

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/Hpandy_Johnston/g48426.png
The last form is him in FI.

Story: Since Threeshades death he has been slowly going crazy untill he became dangerous to anyone who came near him. Ins managed to restrain him and he is now kept locked away untill Ins needs him for a hard or dangerous job, such as killing high levelled PC's and NPC's.

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 03:36 PM
I'm using my wiki page as my sheet so be happy now. :smallannoyed: http://abr.wetpaint.com/page/Megadoomer#edit

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-20, 03:39 PM
Done with the paragraphed text. It's now split into six titled, easy-to-read paragraphs.

EDIT: Personally, I think we should make a whole new character section for FI.

It will be easier to distinguish the time differences in the characters, and easier to skim through it quickly. The new subsection for characters, for example, would be separate from Characters and NPCs.

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 03:41 PM
Last character, I promise. A semi-major villain.


Antoine, Agent A
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/oliver426/g35255.png

Power Level: High-Mid level Sorcerer (Level 10-14). He focuses mostly on necromancy, enchantment, and illusion.

Background: He was born in Blauport, the son of two regular humans. He fell in love with a succubus named Lily, and gained the respect of her father, Oliver. Lily had a child, Jakob, after this they argued over how he should be raised. Lily left to live with her mother, Elizabeth.

After, Lily left to Carceri, Blauport was destroyed, so he moved to Surport. When Pericle joined the Coalition, Antoine joined the ghosts, an elite group of mage-inquisitors, specializing in espionage. Jakob ran away after he was "corrupted" by Oliver's influence. Now Antoine hunts them both.

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 03:45 PM
Kashu is the capital of Tajira, a country that was pro-Sovice before the United Nations of Avbaroy. I think you meant Surport. And the UNA didn't "take over" Pericle or any nation; they accepted to join the coalition.

chriky
2008-12-20, 03:45 PM
Someone should make a list of all the characters so far in FI.

T-O-E
2008-12-20, 03:46 PM
If anyone cares, I've finished a few templates.



Calamity
http://i39.tinypic.com/jpxze1.jpg
Probably my best. I had to make a few artistic changes, though.

Lying
http://i42.tinypic.com/dyx0e1.jpg
I actually like this one.

Red-Shirt Q
http://i44.tinypic.com/33c84qr.jpg
Red's a little dark.

Megadoomer
http://i41.tinypic.com/2mheww0.jpg
Hair-colour's a little unnatural.

Green-Shirt Q
http://i41.tinypic.com/zuil38.jpg
Don't like how the hair turned out. EDITED IT.

Randomizer
http://i43.tinypic.com/2m5h000.jpg
Pretty much hate everything about this one.

Mad-Mask
http://i41.tinypic.com/2hqfkt5.jpg
Didn't take long, looks half-way decent I suppose. Don't like the quiffs.

KPenguin
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ivmphc.jpg
Nothing to say about this one.

Tired N' Drowzy
http://i39.tinypic.com/2wd0qkx.jpg
I really hate using grey, I usually just substitute with black. Just noted the similarity of my last sentence to my avatar's personality.

Ins
http://i39.tinypic.com/mv2cte.jpg
Should I have used the same facial hair as Lying?



More tomorrow, maybe.

Fawkes
2008-12-20, 03:50 PM
I'm fine with adding more grit and substance to the plot. I'm also fine with making it a little more darker. However, ABR and its plots must remain, at its core, light-hearted. I want FI to be like Empire Strikes Back, not Warhammer 40k.

Yay, someone agrees with me!

Shades of Gray
2008-12-20, 03:53 PM
Kashu is the capital of Tajira, a country that was pro-Sovice before the United Nations of Avbaroy. I think you meant Surport. And the UNA didn't "take over" Pericle or any nation; they accepted to join the coalition.

Oh you and your silly politics :smalltongue:

kpenguin
2008-12-20, 03:54 PM
Yay, someone agrees with me!

*looks back at the posts*

Ah, I see you said something very similar.

Now we are two.

Mad Mask
2008-12-20, 03:55 PM
@Mechafox: I agree too. I didn't want to make the setting look like something GRIMDARK, but more like Half-Life 2 or Star Wars V.

@Troll: Ins should have the same facial hair as Igon Minoblendy.


Oh you and your silly politics :smalltongue:

The United Nations of Avbaroy is an international organisation founded on the principles of peace and justice ! It is not a totalitarian government ! It's not even a real government ! Now go listen to some classical music while we defend you against terrorists, monsters and moon elves.

V: Why are you asking my permission ? Do whatever you wish.

DoomITP
2008-12-20, 03:57 PM
^ cause it seems like your the god of this FI thing? I dunno :smalltongue:



Mask can I PLEASE just use my wiki page? I really don't want to make something else.:smallannoyed:

Calamity
2008-12-20, 04:08 PM
So who are the known villains? Ins is. But we need more memorable villains. I'm thinking that Antoine (Jakob's dad and Oliver's son-in-law) would be a villain, and he would often fight with Oliver and his son.

Well, in my character doesn't exactly have good intentions even in the current FFF plotline. I'm still undecided on the role he'll have in FI though.

Wreckingrocc
2008-12-20, 05:27 PM
Wait, are we using the voting system or the automatically in system?

If we're using the voting system, I'll start compiling applications soon, and I'll put them all in one post in sorted spoilers.

I'll also help tally votes.

chriky
2008-12-20, 05:29 PM
I think we're saying everyone ones automatically in but if they god mod they're banned.