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RMS Oceanic
2009-01-29, 08:34 AM
A cookie to everyone who predicted the Thriller parody!

OverWilliam
2009-01-29, 08:38 AM
"Belief in Michael Jackson." Priceless. :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin:

leo_neil316
2009-01-29, 08:38 AM
HELL YES!

Also, Wanda manages to make even dancing zombies fanservice.

archmage45
2009-01-29, 08:42 AM
YES!! That's awesome!!

BRC
2009-01-29, 08:43 AM
I love the little Evil-Hamster helmets Parson and Bogroll are wearing.

Surprise!
2009-01-29, 08:43 AM
I would think there might be some sort of penalty for fighting against dancing units without dancing. Given Zammuessels and Vinnie's constant mention and wardrobe choice because Stanley had dance fighters.

Micheal Jackson is the king of pop. No denying it.

Lamech
2009-01-29, 08:54 AM
Top part of the comic... still has me laughing. Hahaha... so the bonus Parson has is leadership, luck, dance and maybe artifact. So lets see here I'm just going to assume those uncroaked are bat level of weak. Lets see if the sword give Parson a Ceaser level of bonus, and Wanda's uncroaked bonus equals Ceaser's full bonus... what else? Throw some luckamancy in there and add a dash of dance. Umm... uber heavies? Something tells me Ansom will have to charge in... good thing we all know he can melee Wanda to death.:smallsmile:

P.S. *snicker* top line still has me laughing.

Morak
2009-01-29, 08:55 AM
"And Whosoever Shall Be Found
Without The Soul For Getting Down
Must Stand And Face The Hounds Of Hell
And Rot Inside A Corpse's Shell."

y0rrick
2009-01-29, 08:59 AM
damnit! in the time it took me to realise I needed to click a link in my email to fully register it went from no posts to like... 10, and i bet there's another ten before I've finished here.

Anyway, awesome comics. Does anyone else think looks a Wanda little like Erin Sun (or however you spell it) from Farscape? just a littler?

ishnar
2009-01-29, 08:59 AM
I somehow didn't foresee this nor did I see the speculation. So it's one of those things I thought, "Ohh, I should have seen this coming."

Zolem
2009-01-29, 09:05 AM
I somehow didn't foresee this nor did I see the speculation. So it's one of those things I thought, "Ohh, I should have seen this coming."

Realy? Cause lots of people were talking about Wanda dance-fighting to Thriller way back when they first mentioned Dance Fighting, again when we saw dance fighting, and at scatered intervals between the two. I actually thought it was a good idea, but way to obvious so that if they did dance fight, they'd do a different dance just to screw with us.

Lamech
2009-01-29, 09:09 AM
I remember speculation around when, Wanda was playing with her undead toys. In the background Wanda was in fact having them dance to thriller I think. We just forgot about it recently.

Geno9999
2009-01-29, 09:10 AM
*Looks at warning in the beginning* What?
*looks at last panel* OH. BIGGER OH. Ansom is soooooo screwed right now. moreso than before.

plainsfox
2009-01-29, 09:11 AM
Hrrm...Ansom's side has been deficient in Dance fighting. I could imagine Jillian's continued employment if she made up most of Ansom's dance fighting capability.

And is it just me,or does Bogroll finally look fearsome in this one?

slurpz
2009-01-29, 09:15 AM
This was a welcome sight to see as a break in studying for exams.

Alturin
2009-01-29, 09:16 AM
I was laughing so hard over this one for like 2 minutes that I'm glad no-one else was at home, otherwise they wouldof surely though I went mad :D.

I didn't catch the dance-fighting reference earlier, does anyone have a link to the comic where it is introduced?

Feirgon
2009-01-29, 09:22 AM
I don't believe in Michael Jackson either, but this is my favorite page of all time.

THRILLER!!!!

Iain
2009-01-29, 09:24 AM
Looking forward to the next Thrilling update.
And, is that an uncroaked marbit third from the right in the last panel?

Slayn82
2009-01-29, 09:27 AM
Well, i personally like this one

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=5JkjE-GN_qY

go, dance fighting Wanda...

Lolindir
2009-01-29, 09:33 AM
{Scrubbed}
Awesome comic!

Anyone notice the undead marbit in the last panel? (It might be a gobwin, but I assume it's a marbit due to the shape of the head)

Also, seeing Parson in the fourth panel, it reminded me of the D&D song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_hlWl1PKfo&feature=channel_page) from Stephen Lynch. "I got a big broadsword made out of cardboard!" It just expresses the sillyness.

Then again: last few pages seriously kick boop!

Nemal
2009-01-29, 09:34 AM
I haven't posted in months.

I must now.

THIS PAGE IS TOO AWESOME. XD

Oslecamo
2009-01-29, 09:36 AM
This was a welcome sight to see as a break in studying for exams.

Same here. I come home from a special hard exame and have this hilarious comic to cheer me up.

First of all...

HURRAH FOR MOAR WANDA FANSERVICE!!!!!!

Uhum, how many dresses does that girl has anyway? I don't see the other mancers changing clothes willy nilly anyway.

My guess from this comic is that units need special training to be able to dance, so only elite units are taught it, but uncroacked being mindless can dance to their master's desires.

Hmm, could Sizemore make his golems dance? They already have all the rock theme and all. Or perhaps he's just not high level enough to do so.

Also, Wanda's head even smaller, reinforcing the whole maturity growth theory. I think it won't get any smaller, since any more "maturity" and the comic gets R-rated. Half naked girl leading army of dancing zombies? Hell beatifull:smallbiggrin:

kreszantas
2009-01-29, 09:38 AM
First thing jumped out for me was the croak unit that aint ours... "With Pleasure".... priceless

Kaolix
2009-01-29, 09:44 AM
The comic has really kicked ass these last few strips. Absolutely awesome!

Cpt. Sqweky
2009-01-29, 09:45 AM
Man, this page was so BAD!
...
*looks around*
...
*hangs head in shame*

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have subjected you to a pun like that.

Gilthans
2009-01-29, 09:46 AM
Rob Balder and Jamie Naguchi, you are my heroes.

Sieggy
2009-01-29, 09:48 AM
And has anyone else noticed that Wanda's boobs seem to have gained a cup size or two? Must be the excitement . . .

I strongly suspect she's in Croakamancer heaven right about now. She gets to bring all of her strengths against an enemy she hates and despises, and knows that Ansom is going to HAVE to come after her personally to have any chance at all. I'll bet that Parson and Wanda have devised a plan for dealing with him, and this will be her second chance to get her hands on the Arkenpliers. And this time, she's in the center of her own forces, not broken and alone. Her revenge will be SO sweet.

Bogroll looks like he's in his element as well. and is also looking forward to kicking some pint sized kiester. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's the one who takes down Ansom - literally. In order for Ansom to engage Wanda (or Parson) from his twinkie carpet, he's going to have to descend to very low height, and while he may be out of reach of all the normal sized folks, Bogroll can reach up and grab it.

I very strongly doubt that the carpet has the lift capacity to handle something as massive as Bogroll. And the 'special mission' that Bogroll is anticipating may be acting as a decoy, bringing Ansom into range and pinning him in place long enough to take him down. Whether this will result in his death remains to be seen, though since he regenerates, I dunno . . .

ObadiahtheSlim
2009-01-29, 09:54 AM
I loled. Great job there guys. That disclaimer was excellent.


For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller

Whispri
2009-01-29, 10:00 AM
This one I loved.

Ansom should really learn to take a hint.

Kilbia
2009-01-29, 10:04 AM
Unfortunately, the costume change didn't tip me off to the last panel (I really wasn't into Michael Jackson at that age, except for the songs that Weird Al Yankovic parodied). But that's fine; made it all the more delightful.

I *really* love how all the uncroaked are in Hamstard T-shirts. Oh, and Wanda's gold-glowing eyes in the penultimate panel...I know that's yet another reference to the Thriller video, but it was still awesome.

El_Chupachichis
2009-01-29, 10:07 AM
So, does Dance-Fighting allow more coordinated attacks from uncroaked, such that they are less like the zombies of more classic horror flicks and more like the zombies of 28 Days Later?

Might see some pretty smart uncroaked action, then.

Altima
2009-01-29, 10:07 AM
Remember, if you don't believe in him, he can't hurt you!

Totally saw this coming.

Now I wanna see some RCC getting croaked.

El_Chupachichis
2009-01-29, 10:12 AM
And has anyone else noticed that Wanda's boobs seem to have gained a cup size or two? Must be the excitement . . .


No. :smallbiggrin:

Heh, it's still just a cartoon. Although it's been drawn quite well sometimes.

Slight threadjack: What use are mammary glands in a world where there are no children to nurse? I'd guess aesthetics only, or perhaps the anthropocentric nature of the summoning spell caused them to summon a person (Parson) that would be familiar with those body types, even though his size would probably preclude true "interaction".

isamaru
2009-01-29, 10:13 AM
Yay for miss fanservice! :D

Also until now, I didn't appreciate the fact that the zombies are wearing hamster T-Shirts, which makes them all even more awesome! :)

MReav
2009-01-29, 10:14 AM
What is the bonus for Dance Fighting? How much an advantage does one get for it?

BRC
2009-01-29, 10:27 AM
What is the bonus for Dance Fighting? How much an advantage does one get for it?
It would appear to be fairly significant.
My question is, how is a dance-fight initated. From the looks of things, I would say the defenders pick whether or not to engage in a dance-fight.

ObadiahtheSlim
2009-01-29, 10:34 AM
Its probably an attribute where if you have it and your opponent doesn't there is a bonus to your attack. It may be derived from equipment which would explain the costume change by Jillian and all for when they went after Stanley.

Vince3
2009-01-29, 10:37 AM
I like the WHOP-AH sound effect for her whipping her arm into the starting position for the Thriller Dance Fight.

Also, only Wanda can make the Michael Jackson Thriller jumpsuit look sexy by not bothering to zip it up.........:smallbiggrin:

If Ansom and his crew can see beyond the Zombie Dance Fighters, they might now see that besides Bogroll, Parson is troll sized........

DCR
2009-01-29, 10:37 AM
I shamefully admit I didn't see this coming. But dance-fighting + undead = obvious in hindsight. Time to go find Thriller on the 'tube.
I declare this page to be made of win and awesome. Wonderful writing, excellent artistic expression.



Also, only Wanda can make the Michael Jackson Thriller jumpsuit look sexy by not bothering to zip it up.........

You caused me pain, I share it. You said that and I thought of proof: Parson in an unzipped-up Thriller jumpsuit. Misery loves company, spread the wealth of pain.

mistformsquirrl
2009-01-29, 10:41 AM
And is it just me,or does Bogroll finally look fearsome in this one?

He does, he actually looked dangerous for a second >.>

Also - DANCING! <.<

afroakuma
2009-01-29, 10:42 AM
The awesome level of this comic has yet again risen. And I too sadly did not see this coming.

Sieggy
2009-01-29, 10:43 AM
It would appear to be fairly significant.
My question is, how is a dance-fight initated. From the looks of things, I would say the defenders pick whether or not to engage in a dance-fight.

I would guess that those who cannot dance-fight suffer a major Uncoolness penalty, suffering from feelings of awkwardness, social deficiency, and intimidation from their Cooler and more coordinated enemies. The attackers gain a bonus from a sense of superiority due to their ability to boogie and get down . . . nobody can really get down like the uncroaked. And watching Wanda shake her cute li'l tail will certainly stiffen their . . . resolve.

Abbott
2009-01-29, 10:46 AM
This comic was awesome. I really hope Wanda gets the 'Pliers too. I imagine Ansom will head for her, strike her with the 'Pliers, but instead of hurting her, he attunes her to them and wham... The super-uncroaked unit OF DOOM approaches and eats the RCC.

BRC
2009-01-29, 10:51 AM
I would guess that those who cannot dance-fight suffer a major Uncoolness penalty, suffering from feelings of awkwardness, social deficiency, and intimidation from their Cooler and more coordinated enemies. The attackers gain a bonus from a sense of superiority due to their ability to boogie and get down . . . nobody can really get down like the uncroaked. And watching Wanda shake her cute li'l tail will certainly stiffen their . . . resolve.
I believe that certain sides may have certain dance-fight "Alignments" as it were.
For example, Gobwin Knob has, between the Knights in Stanleys Service, and the Metal Golems, has a definate metal theme going, while Transylvito appears to be Show-Tunes.

hajo
2009-01-29, 10:54 AM
I didn't catch the dance-fighting reference earlier, does anyone have a link to the comic where it is introduced?

First mentioned (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0100.html) and first presented (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0111.html), but that fight didn't happen that way :smallsmile:

Gamebird
2009-01-29, 11:11 AM
Are you sure those helmets on Parson and Bogroll are monstrous hamsters? They didn't look like that to me, but I guess if you stretch it...

Edit, add: And as for why female Erfworld units have breasts - why do female humans have them when not lactating? We're the only mammal that maintains unnecessary breast bulk between infants, as far as I know. Just one of those mysteries.

talkamancer
2009-01-29, 11:11 AM
bwahahahahah hahahahaha hahahaha

This strip is so "off the wall" and these uncrocked look so "dangerous" as to be almost "invincible" that I think there's gonna be "blood on the dancefloor" and before this "thriller" is over Ansom's side is going to be "HIStory"

I am sorry but that was just too "bad"


I thank you.

Oslecamo
2009-01-29, 11:14 AM
Slight threadjack: What use are mammary glands in a world where there are no children to nurse? I'd guess aesthetics only, or perhaps the anthropocentric nature of the summoning spell caused them to summon a person (Parson) that would be familiar with those body types, even though his size would probably preclude true "interaction".

There are giant teddy bears fighting against crap golems, 4chan is a weapon of mass destruction and there are flight women shooting laser beams out of their hands. So it's kinda smooth to ask why something looks the way it does.:smalltongue:

Crod
2009-01-29, 11:16 AM
Haha... Been running Thriller in Spotify on repeat since the comic came up. Can't help it.

Altima
2009-01-29, 11:20 AM
Looking at the fifth panel, it appears Ansom is sending in troops affiliated with the two warlords that the dirtamancer hit. Either they weren't croaked, or Ansom is sending in stacks without any leadership.

Yeah, this is going to hurt a lot, and I imagine there's going to be plenty of corpses for Wanda.

Ganurath
2009-01-29, 11:21 AM
That much cleavage is worth being wrong.

Crod
2009-01-29, 11:23 AM
Haha... Been running Thriller in Spotify on repeat since the comic came up. Can't help it.

EmperorSarda
2009-01-29, 11:39 AM
That was hilarious, I love it!

shakes019
2009-01-29, 11:40 AM
The uncroaked Marbit in the zombie line is so cute!

Olibarro
2009-01-29, 11:45 AM
I don't care how many people predicted the whole Thriller thing (and A LOT of people came up with that)... to see it in action was WAY more awesome than anything I could imagine.

The hamster helmets are awesome.
Bogroll's reaction is awesome.
Wanda's outfit has me totally in love with her all over again.
WOH-PAH! makes me laugh, because I think it's actually an imitation of Chandler's failed attempts to make the "whipped noise" on Friends.
The final panel was just CHOCK-FULL of freakin' awesome.

Thank you guys.

RinceBrush
2009-01-29, 11:46 AM
FanService FTW!!!!

Well, this is going to be hard for the RCC with the 4channed warlords and the ubercool dancing zombies at the gate. Plus, I guess half the soldiers in the Coalition (i.e. the male ones) are going to have a hard time concentrating in the fight xDDD.


I declare this strip as being made of Pure Epic Win.

BarGamer
2009-01-29, 11:47 AM
For those of you who don't get the disclaimer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8

See you next Wednesday! XD

Occasional Sage
2009-01-29, 11:52 AM
That much cleavage is worth being wrong.

That much cleavage is very, very right.

I like the Lewis Carrol reference in the disclaimer. Props for that!

isamaru
2009-01-29, 11:53 AM
Hmm, that's one hell of an art upgrade!

BEFORE:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0002.html

AFTER:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0140.html

If they could do that in RL, it would make them unbelievably rich :D

the_tick_rules
2009-01-29, 11:56 AM
More dance fighting? I'm not so keen on this.

Fez
2009-01-29, 11:58 AM
Its unclear how much of a bonus it gives, but its an unmatched bonus which is important.

Both sides have a overlord bonus to grant bonuses to all troops (Parson and Ansom). Both sides have leaders (either warlords or casters) to provide bonuses to sets of troops, though Parson is working at removing these bonuses from Ansom. The coalition has an artifact bonus, but unattuned so unclear how much. Gobwin Knob troops have what is very likely a very high defensive bonus as they are in the center of a fortified keep. I don't know if morale bonuses exist in game. Luckamancy whatever the IG effect, essentially means you'll roll better than you would otherwise or prevent the opponent from using the full weight of its troops at once (distracting with illusions), so is equivalent to another bonus. Then there is the dance fight bonus too, which is an essentially unanswered bonus.

Two other real force multipliers (even if they don't have direct numeric effects) are better mobility. Parson can hit folk inside the tower and the courtyard both with the same troops. Ansom's troops have to actually spend move to go between zones. The second is better communication. Better communication means better ability to bring your forces to bear effectively.

Now how bonuses in Erfworld work we aren't exactly sure. Most wargames would have bonuses be additive. Troop starts with X, and get +2 from terrain, +2 from leadership, +2 from equipment, for a total of X+6. There are some that raelly are multiplicative. In the above case you'd end up with either X*(2+2+2) for 6x or even X*2*2*2 for 8x for an exponential curve. We don't know how the system scales.

Regardless great page... oh.. and

ROB & JAMI! We need panel 11 blown up. I know you haven't done so much of those recently, but its epic. Please? :)

Gez
2009-01-29, 11:59 AM
After Dr. McNinja and Fanboys, that's the third webcomic I know of featuring the thriller zombie dance. It's turning into a trope... :smallbiggrin:

Egmorn
2009-01-29, 12:05 PM
the zombies of 28 Days Later
In 28 days later there are no Zombies.
Peoples are infected by a virus (an evolved form of rabbid called "Rage"). They are not dead. In fact, in 28 week later, we discover that they finally mostly died from hunger/disease on long term.

That's one of the reason why they can run! Zombie never run!

TheMutant
2009-01-29, 12:09 PM
Wow, Parson and Bogroll look especially similiar in that first panel. Looks like the folks that've been speculating that Bogroll would get mistaken for 'Lord Hamster' (unless Ansom bothered to specify that the real thing has two eyes; personally I doubt it- and he can't even know what color Hamster's skin is via Thinkagram!) could well be right, with possibly dire consequences for our favorite Twoll. (Then again, as folks have probably noted before me, it has been potentially foreshadowed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0028.html).)

Awesome, awesome page. x)

El_Chupachichis
2009-01-29, 12:12 PM
There are giant teddy bears fighting against crap golems, 4chan is a weapon of mass destruction and there are flight women shooting laser beams out of their hands. So it's kinda smooth to ask why something looks the way it does.:smalltongue:

Heh, but Giant Teddy Bears and Crap Golems have a sense of purpose in such a world, even with an ID model of creation. The Titans must've decided boobs were ok, kids were nogo. Which would be fine by me :smalltongue:

Fez
2009-01-29, 12:22 PM
Wow, Parson and Bogroll look especially similiar in that first panel. Looks like the folks that've been speculating that Bogroll would get mistaken for 'Lord Hamster' (unless Ansom bothered to specify that the real thing has two eyes; personally I doubt it- and he can't even know what color Hamster's skin is via Thinkagram!) could well be right, with possibly dire consequences for our favorite Twoll. (Then again, as folks have probably noted before me, it has been potentially foreshadowed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0028.html).)

Awesome, awesome page. x)

There is more foreshadowing on this page in panel 3 when Bogroll asks whether Parson has something special for him to do and the reply is 'Oh, I hope not." Gives credence to the idea that Bogroll is the sacrifice if Parson is personally pressed too hard and needs to get away.

As another note, its been discussed before but I do still wonder at the ongoing transition in sizes of chars and styles. Parson is no longer as towering as he was. In panel 8, he's only a couple inches taller than Bogroll, and clearly not the giant he was to Wanda and others. Similarly as someone pointed out even in this thread, Wanda's own style has changed dramatically, with more normal proportions of head and body. Is this something of consequence or just Jami evolving his aesthetic for the characters?

BRC
2009-01-29, 12:25 PM
Perhaps the art-shift is symbolic.
When Parson first appears in Erfworld, it is all strange and alien to him, despite the pop-culture references, it's still pretty strange. Therefore, he is drawn very realistically, while the Erfers are drawn highly stylized.

As he's grown more familiar and comfortable with Erfworld, both art styles have gradually shifted to a sort of equilibrium between the two styles.

DMcCoy1693
2009-01-29, 12:27 PM
That boopin' rocked

Mikalyaran
2009-01-29, 12:28 PM
I love this comic so much. The more I read it the more I really wish there was an official rp system for it that I could buy. I'd pay through the nose for it.

Celebrochan
2009-01-29, 12:34 PM
I *really* love how all the uncroaked are in Hamstard T-shirts. Oh, and Wanda's gold-glowing eyes in the penultimate panel...I know that's yet another reference to the Thriller video, but it was still awesome.

I think that the fact that they are in Parson's "colors" rather than gobwin knob's colors is a sign that Parson is his own force, under contract (or compulsion) to gobwin knob... which means he may gain power is stanly is croaked! :D

Homunculus
2009-01-29, 12:41 PM
This comic was just sooooo awesome :smallbiggrin:

truemane
2009-01-29, 12:49 PM
I love being caught off-guard by things like this. This is one of the reasons I try to stay off the forums for the most part. That final panel was one of the best dramatic reveals I've ever seen. This comic just continues to evolve and develop and increase in complexity and depth. Seeing a new page come up is the highlight of my day.

Entirely and in all ways fantastic. I am awaiting the next comic like a kid on Christmas Eve.

Happydork
2009-01-29, 12:50 PM
Rob and Jamie. I share your lack of belief in the one who is not to be named, but is still had to be done. Thank you for having the strength to do what was needed.

Lefty the Drunken Lush
2009-01-29, 12:52 PM
As another note, its been discussed before but I do still wonder at the ongoing transition in sizes of chars and styles. Parson is no longer as towering as he was. In panel 8, he's only a couple inches taller than Bogroll, and clearly not the giant he was to Wanda and others.

If you look at that panel, Parson is facing Bogroll and you will notice that Wanda is passing between them. That black arch is the back of her head with her skull hairclip. He's still much bigger than the average Erfworlder. Bogroll isn't average.

xv bones
2009-01-29, 12:54 PM
i love this site so goddamned much.


Did anyone else notice how Wanda's head seems to have shrunk?

SmartAlec
2009-01-29, 12:58 PM
Wanda's task is to lead the Uncroaked; Sizemore's is to assassinate/neutralise enemy warlords, apparently. One wonders what Maggie's going to bring to the party.

SteveD
2009-01-29, 12:58 PM
Zomg! Uncroaked Marbit!

Maldraugedhen
2009-01-29, 01:01 PM
Dance, undead puppets, dance!

DragoonKain
2009-01-29, 01:08 PM
So... Going from what we know:

Stacks get a stack bonus that maxes out at 8 for eight units, but there's apparently no limit to stacks.

Leadership, dance fighting, caster bonuses, terrain, etc are MULTIPLICATIVE bonuses, not additive.

Led stacks can go for specific targets. It's unclear if unled stacks can or not. Ansom might be technically leading the armies anyway.

So right now, Wanda has maybe half or so of the undead infantry, would be around 1000, and they're getting a bonus from her, Parson, dance fighting, and quite possibly the terrain too.

What we're about to see is Parson's meatgrinder. He's set up some sort of crazy Zerg Defense. Kekeke.

Ragn Charran
2009-01-29, 01:19 PM
I think the whole "why do Erf women have breasts when there are no children" debate can be solved with one link to strip 54/page 48 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0054.html)

Ronald_saveloy
2009-01-29, 01:22 PM
I'm looking forward to the next round. Maybe almost no forces of the coalition can do dance-fighting, but there's at least one fraction, that does dance fighting practically as a signature attack: The Transylvio (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0123.html)! Currently, the bats are away fighting Stanley, but if Stanley returns the next round (as predicted by some), we'll see a real dancefloor battle! Let's see who will be pwned!

hajo
2009-01-29, 01:29 PM
I wonder how Parson learned about the dancefighting weakness of the RCC.
I cannot imagine him spending hours in the library to find out such things, and the only hint so far visible to Parson was Jaclyn's outfit...

DevilDan
2009-01-29, 01:34 PM
So lets see here I'm just going to assume those uncroaked are bat level of weak. Lets see if the sword give Parson a Ceaser level of bonus, and Wanda's uncroaked bonus equals Ceaser's full bonus... what else? Throw some luckamancy in there and add a dash of dance. Umm... uber heavies? Something tells me Ansom will have to charge in... good thing we all know he can melee Wanda to death.

Don't forget that the bats that were turned into near-heavies were only those in Caesar Borgata's stack.

xv bones
2009-01-29, 01:36 PM
Wanda's task is to lead the Uncroaked; Sizemore's is to assassinate/neutralise enemy warlords, apparently. One wonders what Maggie's going to bring to the party.

She's going to fry the brains of Tarfu and any other bonus-giving leader that may be otherwise out of reach.

xv bones
2009-01-29, 01:41 PM
Don't forget that the bats that were turned into near-heavies were only those in Caesar Borgata's stack.

which were the ones needed to directly confront Stanley, his assuredly stronger-than-normal dragon, and his insane artifact bonus.

So that was a chief warlord with a stack of heavies all attacking at once, and Stanley shattered the stack with one Van De Graaf.

Ansom, on the other hand, needed divine intervention to avoid getting croaked by Wanda and her pack of uncroaked.

Odd little side-note: Stanley would appear to be way, way stronger than Ansom.

Dragonath
2009-01-29, 01:41 PM
I also think Maggie will fry Tarfu's brains with math and other really weird stuff Tarfu can't cope with.

Looks like the second healomancy spell is already been used on Wanda herself, obvious choice though.

BarGamer
2009-01-29, 01:45 PM
She's going to fry the brains of Tarfu and any other bonus-giving leader that may be otherwise out of reach.

Or Maggie's special mission might be to pull off an Octagenarian 'Titanic' scene... while Sizemore chants, "We will, WE WILL ROCK YOU!"

*Ducks!*

The Adder
2009-01-29, 01:48 PM
This page would have been better had it not been for the fact that the same day it came out the old guy who hangs around my college campus decided to wear HIS thriller jacket unzipped (thankfully with a t-shirt below it).

I'm not even kidding about this.

Brewdude
2009-01-29, 01:55 PM
Hmm, that's one hell of an art upgrade!

BEFORE:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0002.html

AFTER:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0140.html

If they could do that in RL, it would make them unbelievably rich :D

Pfft, that's not a cup size increase. That's a head size shrink. It's all in the perspective.

Tubercular Ox
2009-01-29, 02:06 PM
There are some that raelly are multiplicative. In the above case you'd end up with either X*(2+2+2) for 6x or even X*2*2*2 for 8x for an exponential curve. We don't know how the system scales.
If you take the logarithm, you can treat multiplicative bonuses as additive. Log base 2 would be appropriate, because in a multiplicative system, assuming we'd avoid fractions, the smallest bonus you can get is x2. The advantage of this is it keeps numbers manageable. It's much easier to say a unit is strength 10 vs. strength 1 rather than strength 1024 vs. strength 1 (That's a lot of bonuses!). Actually.. fractional multipliers don't look so bad in that case...


Stacks get a stack bonus that maxes out at 8 for eight units, but there's apparently no limit to stacks.

I continue to believe there is a max limit on stack size. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0064.html) I have other beliefs about stacks, but they're speculation.

Moving on:

Where did they get those t-shirts? You can't just go to Cafe Press and order a thousand Hamstard t-shirts, ready in an hour... can you?

I'm happy to see the uncroaked Marbit. It answers a question for me I brought up a couple threads ago. Contrariwise, I'm disappointed in the continued art evolution. I liked Parson as a giant compared to all the other Erfworlders. Now... he's just tall. I hope that it's just art evolution and not something more sinister. And I think the art evolution works both ways. Without looking to check, I'm pretty sure there were Earthlike proportions for Vinnie's fight with Stanley, but Ansom in the following pages went back to having less heads in height than normal. Look at Sizemore in the Sistine Chapel parody, too. All the people on that page have less heads than either Wanda or Caesar. Mario in the Transylvito fight has the same height and proportions as the Hobgobwin he's fighting! And the hobgobwins were previously much taller than the regular people. I think they pick a height that keeps the characters from looking ridiculous, especially for this latest dance fight scene. But the trend is definitely up.

I had something else... but I've forgotten.

BurntOfferings
2009-01-29, 02:06 PM
What is Parson holding in his left hand in frame 1? Is that his eyebook?

headhoncho
2009-01-29, 02:15 PM
Wow, Parson and Bogroll look especially similiar in that first panel. Looks like the folks that've been speculating that Bogroll would get mistaken for 'Lord Hamster' (unless Ansom bothered to specify that the real thing has two eyes; personally I doubt it- and he can't even know what color Hamster's skin is via Thinkagram!) could well be right, with possibly dire consequences for our favorite Twoll. (Then again, as folks have probably noted before me, it has been potentially foreshadowed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0028.html).)
Awesome, awesome page. x)

I think the Parson/Bogroll switch will totally happen, not only because of the foreshadowing in this strip and previously, but also because the one spell canister currently unaccounted for is the Foolamancy one.

And I agree, this was an awesome strip! Last one was pretty darn good, too.

DragoonKain
2009-01-29, 02:18 PM
The t-shirts were magically added to the corpses when they were uncroaked.

SteveMB
2009-01-29, 02:27 PM
I think the Parson/Bogroll switch will totally happen, not only because of the foreshadowing in this strip and previously, but also because the one spell canister currently unaccounted for is the Foolamancy one.

Hmmm... Ansom knows that Stanley has a Foolamancer (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0067.html), but not that he's flown the coop with Stanley. He (or one of his allies) might interpret Parson's lack of visible stats as an indication that he's a decoy illusion, and perhaps think that Bogroll is Parson crudely disguised by Foolamancy. (Such slapdash illusions are far beneath Jack's ability level, but Ansom may not know that.)

[sWc]Konman
2009-01-29, 02:28 PM
im loving the comic, disclaimer and all

El_Chupachichis
2009-01-29, 02:29 PM
What is Parson holding in his left hand in frame 1? Is that his eyebook?

I suck at picture analysis. Deleting original hypothesis.

Solarious
2009-01-29, 02:35 PM
You don't really need the forums to predict this kind of thing. Once you learn about dance fighting, zombies, Wanda, and Michael Jackson, this would have been long in the coming. It's as awesome as Wanda's Norns moment.

Extra points to Jamie and Rob for the header. But we know you believe. :smallbiggrin:

Mmmnn... cookie. Yum.

scotchmonger
2009-01-29, 02:43 PM
I tried to post something about this in the last strip but kept getting timed out.

I don't think parson was talking only about stacking numerical stat bonuses, nor does "Force Multiplier" mean that some numerical bonuses are multiplicative vs. additive -- I don't think there's enough hard data on this in the strips we've been shown.

Looking back on strip 138 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0138.html)[/QUOTE] he says it's all about force multipliers and lists a bunch of things. Leadership, Dance Fighting, and the Artifact bonus do seem to be direct numerical buffs. Terrain, Spells and Specials... not necessarily.

Then I found this Force Multiplier Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_multiplier)[/QUOTE] which defines the term in a way that's more in line with what we've seen Parson do. Relevant definition from the intro:
"Force multiplication, in military usage, refers to a combination of attributes or advantages which make a given force more effective than another force of comparable size. A force multiplier refers to a factor that dramatically increases (hence "multiplies") the effectiveness of an item or group."

In strip 139 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0139.html)[/QUOTE] Sizemore's visible stack (5/6 Metal and 2 Crap) is pretty close to what it was in strip 120 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0120.html)[/QUOTE] (4 Metal and 5/6 Crap). So the numbers should be different but not by much. The force multiplication is done by stacking properties. Free Movement + Burrowing = unmatched field mobility; Shockmancy = no enemy retaliation/escape ability. And it all gives him the chance to set off the Crap bomb and escape before the enemy can even react. The movement rules alone don't add numbers to the his stats but they are "a factor that dramatically increases the effectiveness of his stack" because they let him selectively engage any weak point he finds in the entire enemy formation instead of waiting to engage the enemy on their fortified front line.

In this newest strip, I think Wanda's dance fighting is mostly a bonus in the conventional numerical sense (though it could also boost luck or critical hit % -- unknowable for now) and that it's a mechanic that is understood if not commonly used in Erfworld (Ansom needs to have the outfits explained (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0100.html)[/QUOTE]) but it's a bonus that Ansom can't match and just like Transylvito, Wanda has "a flippin' ton of" uncroaked.

It looks like Parson is surveying and I don't see anyone other that Bogroll in his stack. I want to see him actively join the fight, he certainly looks ready for it. I suspect the RCC can eventually make a secondary break in the wall to attempt a flank ("move siege under heaviest guard") but for now they're all being funneled through the front door (ka-dogg -- I love it)

I hope we get to see through Parson's glasses again soon and that we'll find out what "Chief Warlord Lv 2 - Special" means.

I can't wait to see this play out.

HandofShadows
2009-01-29, 02:58 PM
A GREAT page. Congrats to all involved.

Ansom is in big trouble, but is really in to deep to back out right now. As for the changes in art I tend to look at Wanda's normal sized head and body as a result of Dance Fighting (an earlier panel had her head/body the "normal" size). Parson really has not changed size, he and Bagroll have always been about the same in height (Wanda even remarks on it). Bagroll may serve as a distraction for Ansom's forces, but I think he will be very hard to kill. Bagroll is a Troll and that means he regenerates. And I don't think Ansom will go after Wanda. He alreay knows that if Wanda even touched the Arkenpliers, she will take contol of them and he would be very dead, very quickly if that happened.

In regards to the many "oddities" in Erfworld (Women have cleavage, the ArkenPliers look like a set of normal pliers from our world, people look like charactures ect) I look at is as if Efrwold is a Beta version of a turn based game. The mechanics of the game are mostly there, but the models/graphics department is running WAY behind and so stand in models are being used. (A real world example of this is in Hlaf Life 2 Ep 2. VALVe use a pumkin as a stand in for the "strider buster"). I don't know if the "game" will ever get upgraded. The Titans may have stopped work on the game due to the current economic situation. :smallbiggrin:

hajo
2009-01-29, 03:00 PM
Where did they get those t-shirts? You can't just go to Cafe Press and order a thousand Hamstard t-shirts, ready in an hour...
They got the t-shirts as a side-effect of the mass-uncroaking (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0128.html) in the tunnels.
No waiting, instant service :smallwink:

selgnij
2009-01-29, 03:04 PM
They're so close to that portal, that it could be some sort of handle set into the frame. Would make sense if those were the top of some stairs.

Its the 3D glasses, if you look close you can make out the red and blue. Plus they appear on his head just after that.

Tundar
2009-01-29, 03:08 PM
And all of an sudden, I hear the voice of Vincent Price inside my head.

Parson and Bogroll has the coolest hat ever.

Tarvok
2009-01-29, 03:15 PM
The dance fighting question: I don't think this is so much a question of battle bonuses, as battle mode. Imagine for simplicity's sake that each unit has two combat ratings: offense and defense (like Civ). Now, add in a third rating: dance. Defender chooses which form of battle is going to be utilized. Items that would grant bonuses in normal combat (such as special swords, armor, etc.) do NOT grant bonuses to dance fighting... but the gear Jillian's crew was wearing for the attack on Stanley does.

This is heavily simplified, but I do believe the defender's choice of dance fighting is not merely a bonus, but a change in the very nature of the battle.

SteveD
2009-01-29, 03:16 PM
They should grind down the coalition nicely, but the plan hinges on Wanda surviving the turn.

Will she and her army of uncroaked be able to take Ansom and his own stack? Casters are mighty weak in direct combat, remember...

This could still end with Parson and Ansom in a one-on-one.

zillion ninjas
2009-01-29, 03:17 PM
They got the t-shirts as a side-effect of the mass-uncroaking (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0128.html) in the tunnels.
No waiting, instant service :smallwink:

Yes, and furthermore I think that it's armor, not t-shirts. Note the crease that most of them have down the front, the same as with Parson's and Bogroll's armor.

Also: vicious, evil-eyed hamster helmets? To the merchandise thread!

Lemarc
2009-01-29, 03:25 PM
Looking at the fifth panel, it appears Ansom is sending in troops affiliated with the two warlords that the dirtamancer hit. Either they weren't croaked, or Ansom is sending in stacks without any leadership.

Nah, those are Redhead McSwordysword's troops on the left, and what look like Jetsone troops on the right. I think that one with the two swords might be the surviving warlord herself, but it's hard to tell at that size.

Regarding the art shift, I'm pretty sure it's just that. Look at Ansom, panel 2 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0007.html) and panel 8. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0135.html) Ansom's never been in close contact with Parson, and his personality hasn't really changed since the beginning of the comic, but look at that difference.

Yellowchopstick
2009-01-29, 03:43 PM
What if....Parson and Bogroll started dancing too? To Thriller, or even, dare I say, the hamster dance?

....Would that count as Shockmancy? :P

Shadic
2009-01-29, 03:48 PM
I almost lost my mouthful of cereal at that, actually.

That was pretty awesome. Likely my favorite Erfworld.

teratorn
2009-01-29, 03:56 PM
What if....Parson and Bogroll started dancing too? To Thriller, or even, dare I say, the hamster dance?

Parson will find that the hamster dance raises his bonus to epic levels... he'll be able to truly snack on gwiffons and rip apart cloth golems with his bare hands.

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-01-29, 04:02 PM
So...

Chief Warlord bonus... check
Croakamancer bonus... check
Individual Unroaked Warlord bonus... check
Dance Fighting bonus... check
Artifact bonus from Parson's Sword... maybe


With all these bonuses, all those Uncroaked are going to be hitting pretty flippin' hard...

TheTurnipKing
2009-01-29, 04:05 PM
Heh, you don't have to have any belief in Micheal Jackson to appreciate his work. Whatever else is said about the guy in decades to come... the dude could dance... and sing... and write songs.

Fez
2009-01-29, 04:14 PM
The dance fighting question: I don't think this is so much a question of battle bonuses, as battle mode. Imagine for simplicity's sake that each unit has two combat ratings: offense and defense (like Civ). Now, add in a third rating: dance. Defender chooses which form of battle is going to be utilized. Items that would grant bonuses in normal combat (such as special swords, armor, etc.) do NOT grant bonuses to dance fighting... but the gear Jillian's crew was wearing for the attack on Stanley does.

This is heavily simplified, but I do believe the defender's choice of dance fighting is not merely a bonus, but a change in the very nature of the battle.

Possible, but unlikely. During the battle between Stanley and the Transylvitans, dance fighting was used between them at the beginning of the encounter, presumably to determine the level of bonus each side got from their dancing. Then the actual fighting occurred traditionally once each had earned their dance fighting bonuses.

Kyouhen
2009-01-29, 04:16 PM
For the question of Wanda having boobs, remember that the spell that originally brought Parson to Erf was supposed to find someone who would feel safe in it. Would you feel safe standing next to Wanda? :smallwink:

As for the art style, I think it might just be a dramatic thing. More realistic art when things are all actiony, more cartoony art otherwise.

As for this comic, epic. Need desktop of panel 11 nao. :smallbiggrin:

zaitcev
2009-01-29, 04:19 PM
The swanky hats that Parson and Bogroll wear is the first reference to OoTS that I noticed in Erfworld. Surprising it took so long, but most likely I just missed something subtle before. I'm not a big fan of OoTS, so it's hard for me to relate unless it's something obvious. Anyway, does anyone want to guess what it means for Parson's character, in particular the ruthlessness?

Re. Wanda, I miss the definitive, somewhat chibified design from her character page.

Ultimatum479
2009-01-29, 04:27 PM
I'd made up my mind early on (before page 50 or so), but I'm making it up again, just for the hell of it. Wesnoth is the primary/initial(/both?) influence on the creation of Erfworld. <_<

Kholdstare
2009-01-29, 04:43 PM
Bamaomaomao

These last two pages. I would have sex with them.

El_Chupachichis
2009-01-29, 04:51 PM
Heh, you don't have to have any belief in Micheal Jackson to appreciate his work. Whatever else is said about the guy in decades to come... the dude could dance... and sing... and write songs.

And touch little boys.

Kinda trumps the "musical talent" thing in my book.

vrellum
2009-01-29, 05:07 PM
I think they might have thrown us a curve. I think Wanda is dancing to "Bad" not "Thriller" based on the sound effect on the next to last panel.

I mean "Thriller" would have been too obvious, right?

fendrin
2009-01-29, 05:19 PM
As another note, its been discussed before but I do still wonder at the ongoing transition in sizes of chars and styles. Parson is no longer as towering as he was. In panel 8, he's only a couple inches taller than Bogroll, and clearly not the giant he was to Wanda and others. Similarly as someone pointed out even in this thread, Wanda's own style has changed dramatically, with more normal proportions of head and body. Is this something of consequence or just Jami evolving his aesthetic for the characters?

The towering in that one panel with Stanley (last panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0019.html) is perspective. Compare to when they are standing next to each other (panels 6 and 12) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0024.html). Stanley is easily as high as Parson's waist. Wanda is leaning and still comes up to Parson's ribcage.

Tanaar
2009-01-29, 05:22 PM
Rob and Jamie are my new heroes for this strip

surtt
2009-01-29, 05:36 PM
Parson will find that the hamster dance raises his bonus to epic levels... he'll be able to truly snack on gwiffons and rip apart cloth golems with his bare hands.

I picture them doing the Chris Farley - Chippendales dance from SNL.

Jeivar
2009-01-29, 05:52 PM
Am I the only one who finds Wanda disturbingly masculine in her new outfit? Even with the cleavage?

But transsexuality aside, I'm on the edge of my seat as much as anyone :)

I just love the eight panel. A funny reminder of how puny Erf-humans are next to Parson.

teratorn
2009-01-29, 05:58 PM
I picture them doing the Chris Farley - Chippendales dance from SNL.

That would croak even his own troops...

Simanos
2009-01-29, 06:14 PM
HELL YES!

Also, Wanda manages to make even dancing zombies fanservice.

:smallredface: That was too hot for Erf! :smallredface:

SteveMB
2009-01-29, 06:26 PM
The towering in that one panel with Stanley (last panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0019.html) is perspective. Compare to when they are standing next to each other (panels 6 and 12) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0024.html). Stanley is easily as high as Parson's waist. Wanda is leaning and still comes up to Parson's ribcage.

Jamie's art has used perspective to emphasize, deemphasize, or neutrally depict Parson's stature relative to Erfworlders generally, as the situation demands. Getting an accurate picture requires you to make sure that you're looking at a "neutrally depict" example.

elrod13
2009-01-29, 06:28 PM
Bravo!
Excellent Commic, superlative strip, Magnificent Art and Writing!
I've been reading Erfworld since the begining, and loving it all... except the waiting. But it has always been worth it.
The authors are among the best in the industry.
YES. I WILL BUY THE BOOK.
And I'm really looking forward to it, too.:smallsmile:
Erfworld. May it never end...

Vorkaj
2009-01-29, 06:34 PM
Pure win. Comic Gold.
The yellow eyes and the black and red outfit Michael Jackson wore from the Thriller video are great - man, I can't wait to read the next one.

SpaceCowboy
2009-01-29, 06:54 PM
Quite a "Thriller" of a comic today! (I know I am so clever)
Great new hamster helmets!:smallbiggrin:

Yellowchopstick
2009-01-29, 06:54 PM
That would croak even his own troops...

friendly fire on, AOE shockmancy? Maybe it would just cause mass blindness :smallbiggrin:

Simanos
2009-01-29, 07:14 PM
For those of you who don't get the disclaimer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8

See you next Wednesday! XD
Any similarity to people alive or dead (or undead)...
LOL that was funny in the end credits. :smallbiggrin:

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-01-29, 07:35 PM
That would croak even his own troops...

I dunno...

Uncroaked wouldn't care. Wanda is too busy with her Uncroaked to notice, and probably wouldn't care. Bogroll would likely join in. Sizemore is too busy popping in and out of the ground to notice. The Thinkamancer is busy up in the tower doing Thinkamancy stuff. About the only ones it might adversely affect are the KISS that were left behind.

I was going to make a Sailor Faye reference, but there are some things that not even 4chan will touch..

moxproxy
2009-01-29, 07:41 PM
Am I the only one who finds Wanda disturbingly masculine in her new outfit? Even with the cleavage?

Yes. Yes, you are.

Simanos
2009-01-29, 07:45 PM
I think they might have thrown us a curve. I think Wanda is dancing to "Bad" not "Thriller" based on the sound effect on the next to last panel.

I mean "Thriller" would have been too obvious, right?
Good point. Does the arms up position (that we see in the comic) appear in BAD or in Thriller?

moxproxy
2009-01-29, 08:05 PM
Good point. Does the arms up position (that we see in the comic) appear in BAD or in Thriller?

In Thriller the arms are never fully raised, just flung from side to side, and slightly upwards, IIRC.

The arms fully raised position does however appear in both BAD and Beat It. Personally, I thought of Beat It when I saw the last two panels.

Absolutely awesome, in either case. Maybe we'll even get to see a medley. :smallbiggrin:

Zak3056
2009-01-29, 08:11 PM
Dance, undead puppets, dance!
It's a cold grave, nobody understands the music you can't keep inside?

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-01-29, 08:12 PM
In Thriller the arms are never fully raised, just flung from side to side, and slightly upwards, IIRC.

The arms fully raised position does however appear in both BAD and Beat It. Personally, I thought of Beat It when I saw the last two panels.

Absolutely awesome, in either case. Maybe we'll even get to see a medley. :smallbiggrin:

In "Bad", where the sound effect is more prevelant, he's wearing a black outfit. The red outfit was in Thriller. In "Beat It", they don't do the arms raised thing.

This is either a Thriller reference, or a combination of M.J. references.

EDIT: from this version (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8) of Thriller, from 8:51 to 9:00 is likely the part they are referencing, sliding up making a hissing noise, and clapping over their heads.

vrellum
2009-01-29, 08:36 PM
It seems that it has references to at least a couple of different songs. The costume and undead certainly seem to reference Thriller, but sound effects seem to reference Bad, even the Shhhhh, which comes near the beginning of Bad.

I like Thriller a lot more than Bad, but I could see Wanda saying something like "The whole world has to end some right now 'cause I'll tell you once again who's bad." I suspect she'd be alright with the world ending a bit...

I don't think the arm position really appears in any of the videos.

Prince_Rohan
2009-01-29, 08:41 PM
I do not believe in MJ either, but I do believe that Sasha Grey would look great in that outfit.

moxproxy
2009-01-29, 08:47 PM
In "Bad", where the sound effect is more prevelant, he's wearing a black outfit. The red outfit was in Thriller. In "Beat It", they don't do the arms raised thing.

This is either a Thriller reference, or a combination of M.J. references.

EDIT: from this version (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8) of Thriller, from 8:51 to 9:00 is likely the part they are referencing, sliding up making a hissing noise, and clapping over their heads.

In this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqxo1SKB0z8&feature=related) version of Beat It, appr. 4:03, they raise their arms several times, more so than in both BAD and Thriller combined.

The red outfit Wanda wears is obviously a reference to Thriller (although MJ also wore a red jacket in Beat It). So are the uncroaked. And since most dancemoves MJ ever did has popped up in almost all of his videos, this could very well be called a combination of references. :)

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Tyrael
2009-01-29, 08:54 PM
In the first panel, Parson is missing his 3D glasses.

Ragamuffin
2009-01-29, 08:55 PM
What if....Parson and Bogroll started dancing too? To Thriller, or even, dare I say, the hamster dance?

....Would that count as Shockmancy? :P

DOUBLE

TRUFFLE

SHUFFLE

*insert gif here*

Rockphed
2009-01-29, 09:04 PM
In the first panel, Parson is missing his 3D glasses.

They are in his left hand.

Limos
2009-01-29, 09:06 PM
DOUBLE TRUFFLE SHUFFLE TROUBLE (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=000937)

Cpt. Sqweky
2009-01-29, 09:13 PM
In the first panel, Parson is missing his 3D glasses.

No, they're in his hand. He just hasn't put them on yet.

Justyn
2009-01-29, 09:40 PM
I continue to believe there is a max limit on stack size. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0064.html) I have other beliefs about stacks, but they're speculation.

You know, a limit on stack size has been show to not be the case several times (125/113 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html) implies that all of the dwagons are in the same stack, the final panel of 140/127 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0140.html) implies that there are far more than eight units in Wanda's stack, and the penultimate panel in 135/122 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0135.html) and the first panel in 120/108 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0120.html) both show 9 golems with Sizemore, and ), if you would just bother reading the comic. And of top of that, the way that Parson worded the statement does not imply a limit on stack size, but only a cap on the bonus given to large sized stacks.

Lemarc
2009-01-29, 09:58 PM
I'd made up my mind early on (before page 50 or so), but I'm making it up again, just for the hell of it. Wesnoth is the primary/initial(/both?) influence on the creation of Erfworld. <_<

They're both hex-based, although in Wesnoth only one unit can fit per hex. Units can level in both, although in Wesnoth they change into new units when they do. That's... pretty much the only similarities I can see.


You know, a limit on stack size has been show to not be the case several times (125/113 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0125.html) implies that all of the dwagons are in the same stack, the final panel of 140/127 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0140.html) implies that there are far more than eight units in Wanda's stack, and the penultimate panel in 135/122 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0135.html) and the first panel in 120/108 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0120.html) both show 9 golems with Sizemore, and ), if you would just bother reading the comic. And of top of that, the way that Parson worded the statement does not imply a limit on stack size, but only a cap on the bonus given to large sized stacks.

He didn't say he thought the stack size maxed at eight.

DevilDan
2009-01-29, 10:05 PM
Odd little side-note: Stanley would appear to be way, way stronger than Ansom.

Who knows? Stanley probably has a lot of experience and has leveled a few times.

Ansom is a noble and thus probably started off with much higher stats than Stanley the piker. Nobles and royals also level faster.

Then there's the matter of the arkentools; Stanley is aligned with his. Ansom is not. That adds further complexity.

TheMutant
2009-01-29, 10:07 PM
It's gotta be Thriller. Look at the MJ 'occult' note at the beginning of the music video ShneekyTheLost linked- the one in today's strip is obviously referencing it. (Unless there is such a note in Beat It and that other song, too?)

Laharal
2009-01-29, 10:23 PM
Brilliant!
No really it made my day.
Fun, impredictable for that strip even if some forecasted a Thriller spoof.
Also, what is fun about Erfworld is that the rules of the world just keep being added every now and then: master-class croakamancer can dancefight :smallsmile:
Please continue to be original and funny like that!

fendrin
2009-01-29, 10:25 PM
The "WOH-PAH" is definitely from Bad. It's even included in the parody Fat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B81Srse-ayE&feature=related) (@1:17).

The outfit, cat eyes, and dance moves (including the hiss from the leg slide) are clearly Thriller. (in "Beat It" the jacket had white bits, not black; and he wore black pants, not red.)

Oh, and MJ had a great choreographer. The dance moves are largely standard dance moves, just strung together in a unique way. A professor of mine in college pieced together bits of Britney Spears videos to recreate most of the dance.

valce
2009-01-29, 11:04 PM
On a different note, what about Parson's special mission for Bogroll that he hopes not to use?

Given how similarly they're dressed and their sizes, he may intend to use Bogroll as a decoy if things go really bad... But maybe it's just the 'official' uniform of Parson's personal guard. (The other twoll is shown with different gear, so they do have other stuff available).

-V

Martok
2009-01-29, 11:16 PM
Heh. :smallamused:


I've been following the comic since the beginning, but this is the first time I've felt compelled to post here in the Erfworld forum. This is quite possibly my favorite strip so far. It is, without a doubt, the hardest/loudest I've laughed at an Erfworld strip to date. Well done! :smallbiggrin:

SteveMB
2009-01-29, 11:18 PM
On a different note, what about Parson's special mission for Bogroll that he hopes not to use?

Given how similarly they're dressed and their sizes, he may intend to use Bogroll as a decoy if things go really bad...

The decoy thing wouldn't work against an enemy warlord (who can see stats, and would see no stats for Parson), unless Foolamancy can fake stats. (I speculated earlier that Ansom might jump to the conclusion that Parson and his lack of visible stats was a Foolamancy trick.)

ShinyBrowncoat
2009-01-30, 12:10 AM
A professor of mine in college pieced together bits of Britney Spears videos to recreate most of the dance.

That needs to be put on YouTube...

Ptorquemada
2009-01-30, 12:27 AM
The swanky hats that Parson and Bogroll wear is the first reference to OoTS that I noticed in Erfworld. Surprising it took so long, but most likely I just missed something subtle before. I'm not a big fan of OoTS, so it's hard for me to relate unless it's something obvious. Anyway, does anyone want to guess what it means for Parson's character, in particular the ruthlessness?

Yeah, that's what it reminded me of too. Maybe it's supposed to signify that Parson has become a sexy shoeless god of war (and while I don't really like Belkar, he has been having a string of crowning moments of awesome lately).

This strip, though, is awesome on so many levels it's like an awesome layer cake.

And whoever suggested Sizemore and the Golems doing Queen... yes. Just yes. I want to see that. wham wham clap ... wham wham clap ...

DeeJaye6
2009-01-30, 12:28 AM
Okay, WOW! I loved this one SO much, and I didn't even get the reference in that disclaimer until I saw this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOj5H5W9zYo&NR=1
(It's a little bleached out, but it's the entire vid!)

LOL!!! Great job, guys!

Poit-Narf
2009-01-30, 12:45 AM
That was boopin' awesome.

Lamech
2009-01-30, 12:45 AM
I wonder if Ansom has contacted Jillian... concluding that foolamancy has been used would cause much confusion if that is the case.



Who knows? Stanley probably has a lot of experience and has leveled a few times.

Ansom is a noble and thus probably started off with much higher stats than Stanley the piker. Nobles and royals also level faster.

Then there's the matter of the arkentools; Stanley is aligned with his. Ansom is not. That adds further complexity.
If we are giving them their respective mounts and toys I would have to say Stanley hand down. Ansom would probably get one shotted by a lighting attack. Assuming he didn't get killed by the dwagon.

If we stuck them on the ground and handed them swords... I have no idea. We have only seen Stanley in action once and that was him Van de graffing...

Logos7
2009-01-30, 12:46 AM
Just as long as Parson doesn't start yelling at some unknown 'mancer who looks suspciously like Macaulay Culkin to: "Turn that noise off" and that he is "Wasting his time with that garbage, so go to bed" .

Then again, if it is the enemies dance retort, I can live with it.

JazzManJim
2009-01-30, 01:51 AM
I'm looking forward to the next round. Maybe almost no forces of the coalition can do dance-fighting, but there's at least one fraction, that does dance fighting practically as a signature attack: The Transylvio (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0123.html)! Currently, the bats are away fighting Stanley, but if Stanley returns the next round (as predicted by some), we'll see a real dancefloor battle! Let's see who will be pwned!

Then the man in the back said "Everyone attack" and it turned into a ballroom blitz.

And the girl in the corner said, "Boy, I wanna warn ya", it'll turn into a ballroom blitz.

Eraniverse
2009-01-30, 01:54 AM
Wanda better get a happy ending. That is all.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-01-30, 01:56 AM
On a different note, what about Parson's special mission for Bogroll that he hopes not to use?

I imagine it has something to do with Bogroll's greatest desire (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0095.html).

After all, when was the last time Parson seemed unwilling to use every pawn he had available? :smallamused:

EDIT: I'm shocked that nobody has Avi'd any of the Wanda panels yet. Particularly panel 10 :smallbiggrin:

Bawon von Howse
2009-01-30, 02:15 AM
...haven't had a chance to read the thread yet...but holy boop! ...what a comic!

....Bogroll & Parson are such a dynamic duo with those Hamster helmets!

BobVosh
2009-01-30, 02:43 AM
Wanda wishes she was as cool as the clone of Benjamin Franklin

surtt
2009-01-30, 04:41 AM
Um...
Wanda

For some reason 7, 8, 9 kills me...
Wanda comes out, walks right between them, and keeps going...
not saying a word.

Tubercular Ox
2009-01-30, 04:46 AM
He didn't say he thought the stack size maxed at eight.

Thank you, saved me a little effort.

Departing into the realm of PURE speculation, I think max stack size might be related to the nature of the troops involved. So throwing together Gumps you run into problems pretty quickly, but when it's just bats no one remembers what the max stack size is anymore... maybe this is related to why Stanley only brought three KISS troops, although I can't imagine the logistics that would force that decision. It's equally likely he was just phrasing a personal preference as the will of the Titans. He'd do that.


A professor of mine in college pieced together bits of Britney Spears videos to recreate most of the dance.

Seriously, dude. Pics or it didn't happen.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-01-30, 05:11 AM
Departing into the realm of PURE speculation, I think max stack size might be related to the nature of the troops involved. So throwing together Gumps you run into problems pretty quickly, but when it's just bats no one remembers what the max stack size is anymore... maybe this is related to why Stanley only brought three KISS troops, although I can't imagine the logistics that would force that decision. It's equally likely he was just phrasing a personal preference as the will of the Titans. He'd do that.

I'm thinking Stanley was concerned about detectability (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0119.html) there, but he brought a whole bunch of dwagons anyhow. So who knows for sure?

Goshen
2009-01-30, 05:18 AM
Wow, Parson and Bogroll look especially similiar in that first panel. Looks like the folks that've been speculating that Bogroll would get mistaken for 'Lord Hamster' (unless Ansom bothered to specify that the real thing has two eyes; personally I doubt it- and he can't even know what color Hamster's skin is via Thinkagram!) could well be right, with possibly dire consequences for our favorite Twoll. (Then again, as folks have probably noted before me, it has been potentially foreshadowed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0028.html).)

Awesome, awesome page. x)

Good spotting! A potential Bogroll sacrifice-as-decoy is also forshadowed in 50 (third panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0050.html), in 80 (last panel) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0080.html), and and in 95 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0095.html) (panel ten)!

Finn Solomon
2009-01-30, 05:32 AM
I want to make babies with Wanda Firebaugh. That outfit...

Tostig
2009-01-30, 05:42 AM
Hmm, could Sizemore make his golems dance? They already have all the rock theme and all. Or perhaps he's just not high level enough to do so.

According to Klog #7 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0084.html) there were Crap, Soft Rock, Hard Rock, Acid Rock and a Metal Golems. The numbers certainly aren't accurate any more - whether from NSFW-ing or being killed, or more golems being made. In any case, Klog #9 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0088.html), gives us some idea what they look like (from left to right, I'd take a stab at Soft Rock, Acid Rock, Hard Rock and then Metal.)

When they saved Wanda (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0135.html) from outside the walls, they moshed. GÖLEM NWOBHM (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0097.html)'d. So then, what would they look like if they started dance fighting?

Well, apart from the headbanging, windmilling and general kvlt-ness, it'd be awesome to see a bunch of metal golems forming a circle pit in the middle of the RCC's line. Or a bunch of then dressed as cowboys from hell, or their slaughter being preceded by a high pitched scream and "Angel of Death!", or Sizemore, the master of golem puppets?

Who am I kidding, it's not like metal isn't easy to take the piss out of. A cameo by Dethklok would be more than enough to make me love the comic for ever.

Congratulations Erfworld, not only do you have yet another awesome episode, but you have me listening to For Whom the Bell Tolls before I've eaten my morning cornflakes.

DeadmanXI
2009-01-30, 05:42 AM
As another note, its been discussed before but I do still wonder at the ongoing transition in sizes of chars and styles. Parson is no longer as towering as he was. In panel 8, he's only a couple inches taller than Bogroll, and clearly not the giant he was to Wanda and others. Similarly as someone pointed out even in this thread, Wanda's own style has changed dramatically, with more normal proportions of head and body. Is this something of consequence or just Jami evolving his aesthetic for the characters?

I'm not noicing much art-shift in size. Other things (like proportion), sure (at least a bit), but not size. Look here (at Bogroll and Parson side by side for the first time):

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0031.html

And then here:

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0140.html

That's pretty much the same difference in height. The same is more or less true of others.

Now Stanley really was tiny compared to Parson, but he's just not that big in general.

Rincewind
2009-01-30, 05:45 AM
Darkness falls across the land
The midnight hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y'alls neighborhood

F YES.

Lately, I've been visiting the site and reading erfworld over and over, and spending time explaining my mates all the references... :smallredface:

Splendid, just splendid!

teratorn
2009-01-30, 05:52 AM
Yeah, that's what it reminded me of too. Maybe it's supposed to signify that Parson has become a sexy shoeless god of war (and while I don't really like Belkar, he has been having a string of crowning moments of awesome lately).

I don't see any reference to OOTS in the hats. That's pretty standard stuff (usually that would have been a wolf or a bear).

Prak
2009-01-30, 06:14 AM
Just when I'm wondering why I'm bothering to check erfworld, it makes me laugh.:smallsmile:

Drestlin
2009-01-30, 06:56 AM
*WOOOOT*

we'll get a thrilleeeeer, thriller fight! :smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:

one of the best pages so far: go parson go!

Talic
2009-01-30, 07:00 AM
Wanda better get a happy ending. That is all.

Happy ending?

I think she's the BBEG.

Let's look. Stanley said gobwins seized the city while he was out. Ansom says Stanley led the coup...

What if Wanda incited them?

It's been stated that captured units have notoriously low loyalty. She's a captured caster. All of her "you did not ask" omissions, all of her "you cannot stop me", citing duty... Could also be a lack of the same. (though she never said she was acting out of duty)

Let's face it. She has taken levels in badass after her suggestion broke. She went toe to toe with the leader of the enemy forces, and was wiping the floor with him until the archons got involved.

Ansom seems to think Stanley's not the brightest, and evidence at hand supports that. Wanda has shown that she manipulates him already. She had an ally in the enemy camp (captured rather than killed? Get out of jail free card?).

I love Wanda's character as much as anyone. But I smell doublecross on the horizon.

SteveD
2009-01-30, 07:17 AM
Is that the Red's warlord we can see in panel 5? All of her troops we've seen so far have used the one-handed swords with spiked ends.

If she wasn't at the back with the other two it makes sense she'd have been at the front with Ansom ready to lead the attack in.

shamelessmerc
2009-01-30, 08:05 AM
Jamie, Rob,

YOUR WORK ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, I just got laid off and I'm still grinning at this, all hail the power of a well set up visual!

My ritual daily check of the comics must have come mere minutes before this page uploaded yesterday, but if I had seen it then, I wouldn't have had it pick me up the way it did today.

Thank you

surtt
2009-01-30, 08:12 AM
I love Wanda's character as much as anyone. But I smell doublecross on the horizon.

???
If she simply did not constantly have "Crowning Moments Of Awesomeness"
GK would have been toast long time ago (without even summing Lord Hamster)

DigoDragon
2009-01-30, 08:34 AM
I think personally the best part of the comic is that I'm able to view it all without any server time-outs today. I love the artwork on this one. Boy the traffic in the past couple weeks have been heavy. Just shows how awesome this comic is! :smallbiggrin:

Monan
2009-01-30, 09:39 AM
I didn't read the initial disclaimer prior to reading and when I saw wanda I thought she was wearing an outfit from V the TV miniseries. Then the final panel brought me back to reality. I love the uncroaked missing limbs or decomposed limbs. Hilarious!

Is it me or does Bogroll look more like Parson. The menacing hamster helmets were a great touch.

El_Chupachichis
2009-01-30, 10:32 AM
I don't see any reference to OOTS in the hats. That's pretty standard stuff (usually that would have been a wolf or a bear).

Might be referring to the times Belkar wore the heads of his enemies as hats. A bit of a stretch, though.

fendrin
2009-01-30, 11:53 AM
That needs to be put on YouTube...I agree. Unfortunately the prof involved is big on not violating intellectual property laws, so he wouldn't even give us students a copy.


Seriously, dude. Pics or it didn't happen.
Believe what you will, it did happen. How about this. Look at some of Michael Peters (MJ's choreographer on Thriller and Beat It) other works and look for similar dance moves. For that matter, many music videos of the time had synchronized group choreography, and many of the same (or similar) moves were used.

DevilDan
2009-01-30, 12:43 PM
If we are giving them their respective mounts and toys I would have to say Stanley hand down. Ansom would probably get one shotted by a lighting attack. Assuming he didn't get killed by the dwagon.

If we stuck them on the ground and handed them swords... I have no idea. We have only seen Stanley in action once and that was him Van de graffing...

That's my point: someone said "I'm guessing about their relative strength" and since we've yet to see them without their toys then we need to take that into account.

AtomicKitKat
2009-01-30, 01:09 PM
I always thought the game most closely resembled Age of Wonders(2 being the only one that I played). Especially since some files in that game had .erf extensions(if memory serves).

HandofShadows
2009-01-30, 03:08 PM
An interesting thought occured to me. Someone mentioned Wanda's zombies all being dress in Parson's livery and that they might be "his troop" (Parson's) and not Stanley's. If this is true (not saying it is) could it be that Parson has taken over as Overlord for GK and not realized it? (He is a Special Warlord after all). Stanley abondon GK to try and start again in Faq. Could that be considered a resignation? If Parson did take over I really don't think many people would be upset about in GK though :smallwink:. Also I can't see Parson working to long for Stanley before it drives him up the wall. Stanley is not a good leader of a nation.

Templar
2009-01-30, 03:25 PM
I just want to know why some people seem to use "fan service" as if it's a pejorative. :smalltongue:

Decius
2009-01-30, 03:32 PM
I hope we get to see through Parson's glasses again soon and that we'll find out what "Chief Warlord Lv 2 - Special" means.

I can't wait to see this play out.


What makes you think he's still level 2? Since the stupid meal came out, he's been in the hex when his forces killed half and army, including about 4 high-ranking enemy warlords. If that doesn't level a chief warlord, what does?

Glory of Arioch
2009-01-30, 03:34 PM
An interesting thought occured to me. Someone mentioned Wanda's zombies all being dress in Parson's livery and that they might be "his troop" (Parson's) and not Stanley's. If this is true (not saying it is) could it be that Parson has taken over as Overlord for GK and not realized it? (He is a Special Warlord after all). Stanley abondon GK to try and start again in Faq. Could that be considered a resignation? If Parson did take over I really don't think many people would be upset about in GK though :smallwink:. Also I can't see Parson working to long for Stanley before it drives him up the wall. Stanley is not a good leader of a nation.
I think it's just a military convention in Erfworld. Looking at Comic 107 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0107.html), we can see that Webinar is wearing Ansom's crest on his armor. Ansom isn't the leader of Jetstone, but he is Jetstone's Chief Warlord. Also, look at Comic 27 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0027.html), you can see that each of Stanley's Chief Warlords had their own crest. It folows from here that all units that are created or turned (or uncroaked) during the service of a specific Chief Warlord bear his/her crest. Kings and overlords don't really seem to carry a crest at all.

warmachine
2009-01-30, 03:38 PM
Whenever I think of a Michael Jackson song, I immediately think about "Weird Al" Yankovich instead. Weird.

zillion ninjas
2009-01-30, 03:45 PM
Maybe it's supposed to signify that Parson has become a sexy shoeless god of war (and while I don't really like Belkar, he has been having a string of crowning moments of awesome lately).

No, if we're mapping Erfworld characters to OOTS, then I'd say that Jillian is the best match for Belkar. For evidence, just look at the print ad:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/million_zillion_ninjas/erfworld/GoddessOfWar.jpg

Also: barbarians!


This strip, though, is awesome on so many levels it's like an awesome layer cake.

And whoever suggested Sizemore and the Golems doing Queen... yes. Just yes. I want to see that. wham wham clap ... wham wham clap ...

I heartily agree with these sentiments. :smallcool:

Ragn Charran
2009-01-30, 03:54 PM
Well, apart from the headbanging, windmilling and general kvlt-ness, it'd be awesome to see a bunch of metal golems forming a circle pit in the middle of the RCC's line. Or a bunch of then dressed as cowboys from hell, or their slaughter being preceded by a high pitched scream and "Angel of Death!", or Sizemore, the master of golem puppets?

Rob Halford's high-pitched screech a la "Ram It Down" would make the sonic attack from hell, and the song itself would fit Erfworld's battlefield fairly well (okay, except the absence of cars...). Maybe "Painkiller" instead? The robot on that cover (http://www.the-masque.com/Painkiller.jpg) would make one hell of a golem, not to mention fitting the whole "evil looking guy who isn't really so evil" motif of Stanley's side.

DoomedPaladin
2009-01-30, 04:31 PM
Nice boobies.

Seeing Parson there fully attired makes me realize how odd it is that there are no Erfworld inspired T-shirts, Hamster Hats, Wrist Calculators, or "3-D Sunglasses" available in the giantitp.com store.

slayerx
2009-01-30, 04:50 PM
What makes you think he's still level 2? Since the stupid meal came out, he's been in the hex when his forces killed half and army, including about 4 high-ranking enemy warlords. If that doesn't level a chief warlord, what does?

This however assumes that experience is shared by everyone in the hex as opposed to those who actually croak units or only being shared by those that take part in the actual combat

Cruxador
2009-01-30, 04:54 PM
I always thought the game most closely resembled Age of Wonders(2 being the only one that I played). Especially since some files in that game had .erf extensions(if memory serves).

I agree. I've only played the first one, but the only differences I see are the lack of dance-fighting, and how siege works. (and possibly leadership/stack bonuses, idk.) I've only played the first one, though.

Ragn Charran
2009-01-30, 05:08 PM
I agree. I've only played the first one, but the only differences I see are the lack of dance-fighting, and how siege works. (and possibly leadership/stack bonuses, idk.) I've only played the first one, though.

...and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a game that doesn't have a lack of dance-fighting.

zillion ninjas
2009-01-30, 05:18 PM
This however assumes that experience is shared by everyone in the hex as opposed to those who actually croak units or only being shared by those that take part in the actual combat

No, it only assumes that a commander gains experience when units under his command croak enemies. Surely a high-level warlord can level up by exercising leadership skills (as demonstrated by the combat success of those he commands), and not just by direct participation?

Note that Parson's Chief Warlord leadership bonus (+2 to start, at least (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html)) applies to all units of GK. It's reasonable to think that some experience gain flows in the opposite direction.

However, this all does assume that Parson (from another world and without visible stats) is capable of leveling up at all.

moxproxy
2009-01-30, 05:22 PM
...and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a game that doesn't have a lack of dance-fighting.

That would be Tekken 3.

Although not quite the same kind of dance-fight. :P Still, Eddy (or more to the point, Tiger) had some groovy moves.

Doug Lampert
2009-01-30, 05:28 PM
???
If she simply did not constantly have "Crowning Moments Of Awesomeness"
GK would have been toast long time ago (without even summing Lord Hamster)

Which does nothing to contradict her being the BBEG. I don't think she is, but, hypothetically, if Wanda is the BBEG then she wants Gobwin Knob to win this one, and she wants to end the fight with as many of her private toys still intact as possible and as few as possible of everyone else's toys intact.

That way her final Coup takes over a city with some power, and faces nothing much in the way of resistance. Her actions are entirely consistent with this interpretation.

We have no idea what units she might have been able to suggest the Tool empty his treasury to get, but what she suggested is one that she can probably handle herself at need (a perfect warlord rather than an unstopable fighter, unkillable defender, or a perfect caster).

She's perfectly willing to burn GK's air defenses to try to hit an enemy stack, "let's you and him fight". She wants the Tool to spend all his Smackers on a perfect warlord, "let's you and him fight". She's not happy to commit her own forces, the uncroaked or her hidden spells, which is perfectly consistent if she doesn't want to waste stuff she personally controls.

You're assuming that if she's the BBEG she wouldn't fight hard for GW, why? If she can take any faction over and from that foundation RULE THE WORLD (Bwah ha ha ha!!!) then she NEEDS GW to win as the next step of the plan, I don't think the RCC will ever give her power and influence comparable to what the Tool does. Thus crowning moments of awesum in defense of GW show she's seriously loyal ONLY if they involve her sacrificing something she cares about, which none of them have.

BarGamer
2009-01-30, 06:27 PM
Regarding the art shift, I'm pretty sure it's just that. Look at Ansom, panel 2 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0007.html) and panel 8. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0135.html) Ansom's never been in close contact with Parson, and his personality hasn't really changed since the beginning of the comic, but look at that difference.

You're all wrong. Obviously, it's a Pleasantville (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120789/) reference. XDDD

BillyJimBoBob
2009-01-30, 07:14 PM
Happy ending?

I think she's the BBEG.

Let's look. Stanley said gobwins seized the city while he was out. Ansom says Stanley led the coup...

What if Wanda incited them?Not quite. Sizemore said gobwins turned and put Saline IV to the sword. While Stanley and all of the casters were off on some kind of special mission. Sure, Wanda could have set this up. But so could have Stanley, or Sizemore, or Jack, or any other FAQ caster.

I don't buy Stanley. I don't buy Wanda, either. I won't be terribly disappointed if it turns out to be Wanda, but I'd be very disappointed if it turned out to be Stanley, due to the whole "Duty applies the most to the chief warlord" rule as it has been explained.




Ansom seems to think Stanley's not the brightest, and evidence at hand supports that. Wanda has shown that she manipulates him already. She had an ally in the enemy camp (captured rather than killed? Get out of jail free card?).These things are not members of the same set. Yes, Ansom thinks Stanley is a strategic idiot. And yes, Wanda has manipulated him. But the only manipulation of Stanley we've seen from her was so that the new chief warlord, Parson, could implement his battle plan rather than being sent into battle. Tossing Stanley a lay to keep him from throwing away 350k schmuckers on a strategically stupid decision is not manipulation to the detriment of Stanley. It's manipulation for his survival.

And about the "ally in the enemy camp"? You must mean the one Stanley informed Wanda about so that she could practice her hobby of interrogation and torture, right? The one Stanley knew all about? The one Stanley let her release? How is using magic and torture to gain a mole in the enemy camp any kind of betrayal?


You're assuming that if she's the BBEG she wouldn't fight hard for GW, why? If she can take any faction over and from that foundation RULE THE WORLD (Bwah ha ha ha!!!) then she NEEDS GW to win as the next step of the plan, I don't think the RCC will ever give her power and influence comparable to what the Tool does.Um, what kind of a foundation to rule the world is the side that everyone else wants to wipe off the face of the map? What kind of foundation to rule the world is the side which had 11 cities and now has only 1? A treacherous person would have turned long ago to either some other side or gone mercenary. You don't try to rule the world by tying your loyalties to a pack of losers.

Awesome strip, and I can't wait to see the action in the coming few strips. Going off of past see-saws in fortune, things will be changing fast with the arrival of some of the missing detached units (Jillian and/or Tool), or some other unforeseen but impacting events. I'm going to be very interested in following how the action depicts the turn-based strategy rules of Erfworld.


Heh, you don't have to have any belief in Micheal Jackson to appreciate his work. Whatever else is said about the guy in decades to come... the dude could dance... and sing... and write songs.
And then it goes and gets ruined by all ... that ... other ... stuff.

Wadoka
2009-01-30, 07:30 PM
Top part of the comic... still has me laughing. Hahaha... so the bonus Parson has is leadership, luck, dance and maybe artifact.

I gotta say... I don't want to see Parson hizzownself dance-fight. Opinion - it would be awesomely full of Fail - "Star Wars Kid" epic fail.

Aside from that...Wanda... ohhhhhhBOY.

Renx
2009-01-30, 07:34 PM
Great.

I've had Thriller stuck in my head since I read this comic... now I listened to it for 20 minutes straight.

Now it's "Everybody dance now"

Oh well... may I have this dance?

BrotherErekose
2009-01-30, 07:38 PM
Though I have not sought such a thing, it has taken over 20 years to find a female character worthy to replace my first true animation crush, that is, having been 14 years old at the time, I thought, man, I'd really like to see her, meet her, **** (boink?) her, if she were *real* etc., yadda yadda.
:smallredface:
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I mean how many of us 40+ guys, recall those two chicks from the movie "Heavy Metal"? Of course, before them, there were Veronica and (the original) "Betty" of Archie comics fame.

I now feel that another femme fatale must be granted membership to the pantheon of Animation Goddesses.
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With reverence and respect, I set aside Commander Lisa Hayes of the RDF, and ready the alter for Wanda Firebaugh.

(Ba-rowglglglgl ... or however you spell that noise Tigger makes when a hottie walks by)



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For those who are coughing and sputtering, Lisa Hayes?!? :smallfurious: What about Minmei?!?!!?

Eh. I couldn't handle anyone so ditsy.
:smallwink:

Wadoka
2009-01-30, 07:57 PM
For those who are coughing and sputtering, Lisa Hayes?!? :smallfurious: What about Minmei?!?!!?

Fine, she's all yours. I... I shall stay true to Yuki Mori of the Uchuu Senkan Yamato.

Now... next up in the dance sequence? Robert Palmer, "Simply Irresistible"

She's so fine
There's no tellin' where the money went!

:D

Ragn Charran
2009-01-30, 08:06 PM
For those who are coughing and sputtering, Lisa Hayes?!? :smallfurious: What about Minmei?!?!!?

Eh. I couldn't handle anyone so ditsy.
:smallwink:

Who said anything about Minmei? Hello, did you not look at Miriya? And later, though she was never animated to my knowledge, Kazianna from the Sentinels novels always looked even better in my mind's eye.

Considering she was able to arise passion in Breetai, she had to be something!

BrotherErekose
2009-01-30, 08:40 PM
Who said anything about Minmei? Hello, did you not look at Miriya? And later, though she was never animated to my knowledge, Kazianna from the Sentinels novels always looked even better in my mind's eye.

Considering she was able to arise passion in Breetai, she had to be something!

All the Chinese, Filipino and Korean guys at my high school were gaga over Minmei. She was all fluff and no substance.

Miriya? She was a dynamite front runner, until Max effectively emasculated her, if you catch my drift.

That's what makes Wanda so narly: She's Micheavellian (sp?) through and through: The thing that Parson observed before he asked about her childhood.

Ruthless, determined, "I'm not gonna take-any-guff", go-to characters and real people are what give me a kick-in-the-pants. It is the same thing when Jillian focuses on her task that makes her shine too.

Ah, Lisa. Hmm. Considering what I just said doesn't make sense. She was wishy-washy over Rick for years. Huh, maybe it was just cause I was in the 8th grade at the time.
:smallwink:

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-01-30, 09:12 PM
I'm still holding out for Ozzy's "Pigs of War"... failing that, "Iron Man"

Godskook
2009-01-30, 09:20 PM
until Max effectively emasculated her, if you catch my drift.

But...just...it doesn't work...gah!!!!!

You may mean that in a valid way, but to me, that sentences is all kinds of wrong(so no, I don't catch your drift).

Surprise!
2009-01-30, 09:23 PM
Rob Halford's high-pitched screech a la "Ram It Down" would make the sonic attack from hell, and the song itself would fit Erfworld's battlefield fairly well (okay, except the absence of cars...). Maybe "Painkiller" instead? The robot on that cover (http://www.the-masque.com/Painkiller.jpg) would make one hell of a golem, not to mention fitting the whole "evil looking guy who isn't really so evil" motif of Stanley's side.

If the metal golems had dance fight, then the rest of the 'rock' ones would too. And I don't think swayying and nodding (Soft) or flailing around and licking the floor (acid) would count as real dancing.

And windmilling is not metal dancing, try that at a show and enjoy the kick in the head.

Ragn Charran
2009-01-30, 09:32 PM
Miriya? She was a dynamite front runner, until Max effectively emasculated her, if you catch my drift.

True, but Kazianna never had that problem!


If the metal golems had dance fight, then the rest of the 'rock' ones would too. And I don't think swayying and nodding (Soft) or flailing around and licking the floor (acid) would count as real dancing.

And windmilling is not metal dancing, try that at a show and enjoy the kick in the head.

Not sure why you quoted me on that, do you think by suggesting Judas Priest I'm advocating windmilling and Dave Matthews Band style "moshing"? Because I can assure you I am not!

snafu
2009-01-30, 09:55 PM
Thriller. Yeah, OK, I can see that.

But still... it's not what I was anticipating, should the defenders take to dance-fighting.

They're the traditional bad guys. Monsters. And they need a dance.

I'd have thought that they'd do the mash.

They'd do the monster mash.

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-01-30, 11:03 PM
Thriller. Yeah, OK, I can see that.

But still... it's not what I was anticipating, should the defenders take to dance-fighting.

They're the traditional bad guys. Monsters. And they need a dance.

I'd have thought that they'd do the mash.

They'd do the monster mash.

OR....

Back to back
Belly to Belly
I don't give a damn
'cause I'm stone dead already
Back to back
Belly to belly
It's the Zombie Jamboree!

Fan
2009-01-30, 11:23 PM
Thriller has the more agressive feel though with the lunging side to side effects, and the sudden power to rip through foundations, several feet of dirt, (some times) concrete casing, and several inches of good oak.
Yep, I'd say that the Thriller dance is pretty powerful.:smallwink:

Ptorquemada
2009-01-30, 11:39 PM
I don't see any reference to OOTS in the hats. That's pretty standard stuff (usually that would have been a wolf or a bear).

I think it's mainly the color: Belkar's swanky hat was orange, just like these are (by the way: I don't see Parson as much like Belkar at all, except for the hat). I'll happily admit it could very well be coincidence; it happens that I JUST reread that strip within the last week so it was fresh in my mind.

Wanda has lots of options while staying in the same general theme. Monster Mash and Zombie Jamboree have been mentioned; I'll add:

It's a dead man's party
Who could ask for more?
Everybody's coming, leave your body at the door
Leave your body and soul at the door

Edit: If Wanda winds up doing Dead Man's Party, Sizemore should join in with Weird Science.

Sequinox
2009-01-30, 11:53 PM
Wow... I'm on an Erfworld thread, commenting on how awesome it was.

This is... Weird. I'm not used to really understanding it.

That was the awesomest punchline ever - and it wouldn't make any sense if there hadn't been the warning thing on the top.

Nice. This truly was one of the best comics, ever.

Props to you.

Saladman
2009-01-31, 01:22 AM
Awesome.

I'm certain that's the red-headed warlord in panel 5. We haven't seen many red-heads, and the figure seems to be drawn with a ponytail. Compare to page 117. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0130.html) Also from pages 117 and 118, and with less detail apparently 124 and 125, the red-head was talking to the two warlords who got nuked in page 126, and it fits what little we know of her character that she would go to the front rather than the rear.

I suspect things are not going to go well for her in the long run, but somebody's got to kick a little ass on the Coalition side, so I think we'll see her again before the end.

Separately, on my first quick read-through I thought the sound effect in panel 3 was "ra-dawg," which is a bit racy coming from a weiner-rammer. Closer inspection reveals it to be "ka-dawg," but with the top of the K covered I wonder if the creators didn't flirt with the idea before pulling back (or should I say pulling out?), or if I just have a dirty mind.

BrotherErekose
2009-01-31, 01:49 AM
But...just...it doesn't work...gah!!!!!

You may mean that in a valid way, but to me, that sentences is all kinds of wrong(so no, I don't catch your drift).

Yes, Miriya being female can't be emasculated. I mean that Max did take the edge off of her, worse; She became a compliant little wifey, sorry to burn the coffee. The character just wussed out. Her fire was put out.

That's what I meant, nothing nefarious.
:smallsmile:

Speaking of emasculation:
I cannot wait for Wanda to give Stanley his come-uppence. Something along
the lines of, "Thirty dwagons?!? You left with thirty and return with six?!!?" Maybe she'll choke him like he did to Jack, nice and cartoony....

Course, there's a load of archons in the way ....

Anteros
2009-01-31, 01:50 AM
On one hand I enjoy the surprises. On the other hand, Parson's solution to every problem with *gasp! Previously undisclosed unit powers!* is getting old.

I have to admit I liked it better when Parson and Ansom were deploying actual tactics against each other. Parson targetting the siege, luring Ansom into a trap, and Ansom breaking free to smash his forces was much more entertaining to me than the current "make up a new rule every time Parson needs it" plot.

I just think more of the "rules' should be laid out, or at least foreshadowed before Parson employs them. Otherwise it feels like a constant deus ex machina.

Talic
2009-01-31, 01:54 AM
Which does nothing to contradict her being the BBEG. I don't think she is, but, hypothetically, if Wanda is the BBEG then she wants Gobwin Knob to win this one, and she wants to end the fight with as many of her private toys still intact as possible and as few as possible of everyone else's toys intact.

That way her final Coup takes over a city with some power, and faces nothing much in the way of resistance. Her actions are entirely consistent with this interpretation.

We have no idea what units she might have been able to suggest the Tool empty his treasury to get, but what she suggested is one that she can probably handle herself at need (a perfect warlord rather than an unstopable fighter, unkillable defender, or a perfect caster).

She's perfectly willing to burn GK's air defenses to try to hit an enemy stack, "let's you and him fight". She wants the Tool to spend all his Smackers on a perfect warlord, "let's you and him fight". She's not happy to commit her own forces, the uncroaked or her hidden spells, which is perfectly consistent if she doesn't want to waste stuff she personally controls.

You're assuming that if she's the BBEG she wouldn't fight hard for GW, why? If she can take any faction over and from that foundation RULE THE WORLD (Bwah ha ha ha!!!) then she NEEDS GW to win as the next step of the plan, I don't think the RCC will ever give her power and influence comparable to what the Tool does. Thus crowning moments of awesum in defense of GW show she's seriously loyal ONLY if they involve her sacrificing something she cares about, which none of them have.
Agreed, except I DO think it.

If you note, her army is getting bigger and bigger. Parson relies on it more and more. She conceals information, manipulates Stanley...

What makes you think she'd have a problem manipulating Parson?

Stanley? Petulant kid.
Sizemore? Good hearted.
Thinkamancer? self-preserving, but very down to business and forthcoming.
Foolamancer? A romantic fool.

As a matter of fact, the only REAL bad guy on the "bad guy" side... Is Wanda.

headhoncho
2009-01-31, 02:47 AM
On one hand I enjoy the surprises. On the other hand, Parson's solution to every problem with *gasp! Previously undisclosed unit powers!* is getting old.


What are you talking about? Undead dance fighting has been foreshadowed for ages within the strip itself. Not to mention the clear real-life parallels.

EDIT: Check the strip below, panels 2 and 5, they're practicing Thriller.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0112.html

Stormthorn
2009-01-31, 03:16 AM
Dun dundda-da du da da-da duh

Man, i like his old stuff.

I wonder how the mechanics of dance fighting are different from normal combat? So...if Wanda was a master croakmancer but couldnt dance-fight, would her units till be able to?

As soon as i got Thriller out of my head, Dead Mans Party replaced it.

tyckspoon
2009-01-31, 03:38 AM
Dun dundda-da du da da-da duh

Man, i like his old stuff.

I wonder how the mechanics of dance fighting are different from normal combat? So...if Wanda was a master croakmancer but couldnt dance-fight, would her units till be able to?


Probably not. It's been mentioned and shown before that Uncroaked units are just puppets of their Croakamancer; if they didn't have somebody giving them direct orders, they'd just stand around gently rotting. They need Wanda to give them the coordination and motion to do a proper dance-fight, and if she wasn't able to pull it off herself- well, we don't know for sure, but my guess is they could attempt it (ie, Wanda could still have the power to make the group try to initiate a dance-fight), but they'd have a pitifully small bonus for doing so. And if speculation here about the mechanics of dance-fighting is right, trying to dance-fight when you suck at it just hands the bonus to the enemy. So it's better to not dance-fight at all unless you have a reasonably good skill at it. Or a massively boosted skill from making a thousand undead units do Thriller, as the case may be.

Godskook
2009-01-31, 04:48 AM
I just think more of the "rules' should be laid out, or at least foreshadowed before Parson employs them. Otherwise it feels like a constant deus ex machina.

Huh? This, again? DeM sees more abuse in this forum than a child does at Neverland Ranch.

First off, the reveal in this comic isn't a new rule, but rather a power of Wanda's. Mechanically speaking, nothing new has happened in this comic. Second, yes, we have learned a couple pieces of relatively new information, but most are hinted and foreshadowed or specifics of general rules stated earlier. Let's see, new info:

a.Wanda can dance-fight with uncroaked
b.Ansom has almost no one in his coalition who can dance-fight

Now, taking them one at a time. Well, (a) isn't really stating anything new, frankly. We've known about dance-fighting since the chokepoint. We've also never been told of any situation where a commander couldn't, making the simplest assumption that they could. Therefore, if the simplest assumption is that Wanda/uncroaked could dance-fight, then it can't be a DeM for them to actually be able to. Still further, Parson, in the previous comic, asks everyone to tell him everything he doesn't already know, and specifically mentions dance-fighting as something worth using. Thus, the authors go out of their way to re-foreshadow this possibility in the previous strip.

As for (b), show me one thing Ansom was prepared for outside of things he expected Stanley to be capable of doing; I mean, everything Parson's thrown at Ansom has hit him like it came out of left field - every last one. Ansom is ill-prepared for a fight with someone who will pull out the stops to win. Nothing new there. Also, again in the previous strip, Parson points out that Ansom's battle plan is simple strength-in-numbers, that Ansom is foolishly ignoring the value of the forcemultipliers he listed - like dance-fighting. A subtle foreshadow to the fact that Ansom would be short on dance-fighters in his coalition.

Talic
2009-01-31, 05:18 AM
Probably not. It's been mentioned and shown before that Uncroaked units are just puppets of their Croakamancer; if they didn't have somebody giving them direct orders, they'd just stand around gently rotting. They need Wanda to give them the coordination and motion to do a proper dance-fight, and if she wasn't able to pull it off herself- well, we don't know for sure, but my guess is they could attempt it (ie, Wanda could still have the power to make the group try to initiate a dance-fight), but they'd have a pitifully small bonus for doing so. And if speculation here about the mechanics of dance-fighting is right, trying to dance-fight when you suck at it just hands the bonus to the enemy. So it's better to not dance-fight at all unless you have a reasonably good skill at it. Or a massively boosted skill from making a thousand undead units do Thriller, as the case may be.

I don't think so. Most games that run on rules like this have a "you can" or "you can't" system. This one seems to be the same (In the current strip, Parson states that Ansom's Coalition, by and large, are incapable of dance fight). Thus, if the unit can't, it can't even try.

However, it seems that all warlords may be capable of dance fighting.

So far, we've seen:
Stanley and KiSS
Transylvito's troops
Jillian
Archons (when dancing with warlords)
Wanda
Uncroaked infantry (when led by a master-class necromancer)

have all been referenced as dance-fight capable. It stands to reason that a great many, if not all, warlords/generals can dance-fight (note that casters are considered warlords and can lead stacks). However, only dance-fighting units get the dance-fighting bonus.

So, if you have the following:

2000 troops, attack 2 each. = 4000 attack
Let's say Parson's +2 applies to all.
2000 troops x +2 bonus per = 4000 attack
Let's say Wanda's HUGE bonus is 8.
2000 troops x +8 bonus per = 16,000 attack
And say Dance fighting is a modest 4.
2000 troops x +4 bonus per = 8000 attack
Total: 32,000 attack
For sake of argument, let's say the garrison applies a x3 defensive bonus. (Gobwin Knob is the toughest defensive fortification in the known world)
Total: 96,000 attack

Now, let's say Ansom has 10,000 troops, 2 attack each. = 20,000
Ansom has a bonus of 5, let's say.
10,000 x 5 bonus per = 50,000
Let's say other leadership is negated, and they don't benefit from terrain.
Total: 70,000 attack.

That would be a rough mock up of the pending battle, if it goes according to Parson's line of thinking.

While Ansom's forces may be greater than 10,000, likely coalition forces will demoralize after that many troops are dropped, and end the attack to wait for Charlie's forces.

Also to be noted, Parson's main maneuver is to seize on split forces.
1) He attempted to pull air and woods units away from the rest of the column, in order to isolate and destroy them.
2) He attacked the tunneling contingent of the coalition, when it got too close to the city, when it was isolated from the rest of its army.
3) Ansom believes his error was not moving quick enough, when in truth it was a lack of coordination. He divides his forces again, attacking before Charlie can join.

And the days he can brute force in are coming to a close.
Every loss shrinks his army and swells the enemy's.
The enemy is entrenched.

Likely, if he breaks off after losing 10,000 troops? Parson's army will probably be 5 times its original size. At that point, when entrenched, it may well be unassailable at that point, until the uncroaked decay.

kreszantas
2009-01-31, 05:23 AM
On one hand I enjoy the surprises. On the other hand, Parson's solution to every problem with *gasp! Previously undisclosed unit powers!* is getting old.

I have to admit I liked it better when Parson and Ansom were deploying actual tactics against each other. Parson targetting the siege, luring Ansom into a trap, and Ansom breaking free to smash his forces was much more entertaining to me than the current "make up a new rule every time Parson needs it" plot.

I just think more of the "rules' should be laid out, or at least foreshadowed before Parson employs them. Otherwise it feels like a constant deus ex machina.

Have to agree with Godskook on this one, has been foreshadowed on several strips before hand that and even panels on this one... by saying you know what I learned... Authors went out of their way to use 4 panels to lay this out for you, now a Deus ex machina would be a flying elvis jumping out of an airplane and doing a bellyflop onto the unsuspecting RCC troops killing them all... NOW that would be one! Please go back and read the story, not for the 'rules' but for a story and than apply what rules you learn from the story as to these conditions.

WhiteNoise
2009-01-31, 06:50 AM
its been fairly clear from the get go that most if not all of GK troops have the potential if not actual ability to dance fight i imagine the Golems can and will rock out they even have the umlaut to win all arguments withm the knights etc,

though part of me cant shake the feeling we may end up seeing Parson dance fight leading a battle with 'Weapon of Choice'

fendrin
2009-01-31, 08:23 AM
hmm... The MJ theme here, specifically the 'woh-pah' sound effect...
Perhaps Parson will take advantage of his bulk and do Weird Al's Fat.

Something tells me though that he's not going to join in the dancing. He got winded walking down stairs. He's not going to be able to dance for very long, and he's be exhausted in the middle of a battle. I think he's smarter than that.

HandofShadows
2009-01-31, 08:34 AM
Yes, Miriya being female can't be emasculated. I mean that Max did take the edge off of her, worse; She became a compliant little wifey, sorry to burn the coffee. The character just wussed out. Her fire was put out.


You must have missed the episodes after the Earth nearly got wipped out. Miriya/Millia) still goes and kicks tail quite well. And she does it in a bright red Valk as well.

Mukashi
2009-01-31, 08:43 AM
I always thought the game most closely resembled Age of Wonders(2 being the only one that I played). Especially since some files in that game had .erf extensions(if memory serves).

Personally, I've always thought that the game more closely matched the old turn-based Warlords series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlords_(game_series)). A number of factors seem very similar to parts of the battle system in each of the seperate games. The stacks of 8, the inclusion of units like Archons, how units pop, and cities turning neutral on the death of the Warlord (only added for IV, which was crap, but still) seem to be the biggest hints from my perspective. There's also a possible link to dance fighting, with a website called "The Dancing Thief" having been the primary hub of the game's community online in its early years.

Cruxador
2009-01-31, 02:54 PM
Personally, I've always thought that the game more closely matched the old turn-based Warlords series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlords_(game_series)). A number of factors seem very similar to parts of the battle system in each of the seperate games. The stacks of 8, the inclusion of units like Archons, how units pop, and cities turning neutral on the death of the Warlord (only added for IV, which was crap, but still) seem to be the biggest hints from my perspective. There's also a possible link to dance fighting, with a website called "The Dancing Thief" having been the primary hub of the game's community online in its early years.

I've only played III, and that not extensively, but the feel of the game, particularly how warlords and casters works, seems much more similar to AoW to me. Not saying it's not influenced by Warlords as well, but AoW seems a more prominent influence.

Ultimatum479
2009-01-31, 05:19 PM
On a different note, what about Parson's special mission for Bogroll that he hopes not to use?
Why is everyone misinterpreting that statement? Parson gives Bogroll the mission of croaking anything that gets too close, and states his hope that it isn't a special mission; as a troll, Bogroll should be perfectly comfortable with hitting things. Bogroll's enthusiastic reply confirms that.

Lamech
2009-01-31, 06:29 PM
Why is everyone misinterpreting that statement? Parson gives Bogroll the mission of croaking anything that gets too close, and states his hope that it isn't a special mission; as a troll, Bogroll should be perfectly comfortable with hitting things. Bogroll's enthusiastic reply confirms that.
Win!

I really hope bogrolls gets some awesome croaking in. Maybe even levels up into something new and cool. Or just gets two eyes. (I think that when things level they sometimes change forms.)

dr pepper
2009-01-31, 10:58 PM
Yes, Miriya being female can't be emasculated.

So she was effeminated.

Tortue
2009-02-01, 02:06 AM
Aww, Wanda is so cute when she's crossdressing! I agree, definitely awesome visuals, probably better story... But there was an alternative which was pure comedy gold.

See ... if uncroaked can dance-fight when led by a master-class croakamancer, why not crap golems when led by a master-class dirtamancer? I want to see Sizemore out there shakin' it, with Gölem layin' down some Metal to dance to, with a whole troupe of Crap Dancers.

Tortue

Finwe
2009-02-01, 02:46 AM
Aww, Wanda is so cute when she's crossdressing! I agree, definitely awesome visuals, probably better story... But there was an alternative which was pure comedy gold.

See ... if uncroaked can dance-fight when led by a master-class croakamancer, why not crap golems when led by a master-class dirtamancer? I want to see Sizemore out there shakin' it, with Gölem layin' down some Metal to dance to, with a whole troupe of Crap Dancers.

Tortue

Of course, all these troops dance-fighting under Lord Hamster can only culminate in one thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HcLEunsws).

Talic
2009-02-01, 03:08 AM
But is Sizemore a master-class dirtamancer?

Also, note that my above numbers assumed that Parson's leadership bonus is still 2.

According to this strip (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0118.html), When Parson got the sword, it gave him Leadership, Combat, and Ruthlessness.

So it stands to reason that Parson's leadership went up.
Also, if the Sword's granting him combat, it may solve his "getting tired going down stairs" issue, at least during battles.
Final question... Is ruthlessness a game ability? Or is it referring to just being ruthless?

Whispri
2009-02-01, 03:15 AM
According to Klog #7 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0084.html) there were Crap, Soft Rock, Hard Rock, Acid Rock and a Metal Golems. The numbers certainly aren't accurate any more - whether from NSFW-ing or being killed, or more golems being made.
Maybe they change type as they level?


This however assumes that experience is shared by everyone in the hex as opposed to those who actually croak units or only being shared by those that take part in the actual combat
Stanley did not initially approve of the hit and run attacks on the column because it meant the Warlords wouldn't level up (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0061.html). An odd sentiment to hold if they only gained experience for the units they personally croaked and for being there. The battle in the Tunnels was won by units carrying out Parson's plan while gaining at least part of his bonus. He was even giving orders to the units involved during the fight.


They should grind down the coalition nicely, but the plan hinges on Wanda surviving the turn.

Will she and her army of uncroaked be able to take Ansom and his own stack? Casters are mighty weak in direct combat, remember...

This could still end with Parson and Ansom in a one-on-one.
I don't seem to recall anything of the sort. Sure, Jack, a stay at home type suffering from the affects of a backlash seemed (lower could be better for Attack and Defence) to have worse stats then Bogroll, a Heavy. But Wanda? She really does seem to be far more martially inclined. And she has just as much business being at the front lines as a Warlord. Plus she knows how to Dance Fight.



I think that the fact that they are in Parson's "colors" rather than gobwin knob's colors is a sign that Parson is his own force, under contract (or compulsion) to gobwin knob... which means he may gain power is stanly is croaked! :DAn interesting thought occured to me. Someone mentioned Wanda's zombies all being dress in Parson's livery and that they might be "his troop" (Parson's) and not Stanley's. If this is true (not saying it is) could it be that Parson has taken over as Overlord for GK and not realized it? (He is a Special Warlord after all). Stanley abondon GK to try and start again in Faq. Could that be considered a resignation? If Parson did take over I really don't think many people would be upset about in GK though :smallwink:. Also I can't see Parson working to long for Stanley before it drives him up the wall. Stanley is not a good leader of a nation.
Actually it puts me in mind of the whole thing with the Gobwins being a separate allied side. The same could be true of Wanda, along with every unit she's animated, or indeed summoned.


This comic was awesome. I really hope Wanda gets the 'Pliers too. I imagine Ansom will head for her, strike her with the 'Pliers, but instead of hurting her, he attunes her to them and wham... The super-uncroaked unit OF DOOM approaches and eats the RCC.
I really can't see Ansom going straight up against a girl who's already beaten him once this turn and now has a dance fight bonus. To make matters worse he'd almost certainly have to do it on foot and those uncroaked are going to be rather more formidable then they were on the walls.


Looking at the fifth panel, it appears Ansom is sending in troops affiliated with the two warlords that the dirtamancer hit. Either they weren't croaked, or Ansom is sending in stacks without any leadership.

Yeah, this is going to hurt a lot, and I imagine there's going to be plenty of corpses for Wanda.
Leaving aside the spot the redhead business, when Sizemore launched his assault (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0139.html), did you notice the blue hat who was shouting orders about engaging the Caster? S/he pretty much has to have been a Warlord. And while he is probably dead and that barring a miracle the two RCC leaders the Golem grabbed were Croaked, Captured or both, there are sure to be others like him/her hanging around.

Nick the Bard
2009-02-01, 03:17 AM
Re possible dances: anyone mentioned the Time-warp? I mean, I know they were transvestite aliens as opposed to the undead, but...could happen...

Radar
2009-02-01, 04:49 AM
Of course, all these troops dance-fighting under Lord Hamster can only culminate in one thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HcLEunsws).
If Parson is ever going to engage into dance-fight, it can be only this (http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk).

AtomicKitKat
2009-02-01, 11:59 AM
That would be Tekken 3.

Although not quite the same kind of dance-fight. :P Still, Eddy (or more to the point, Tiger) had some groovy moves.

Street Fighter EX(or maybe EX 2, or EX 2 Plus) has Pullum Purna, ArabicIndeterminately Middle-Eastern Belly Dancer. In one of the versions, she has a Belly Dance super, where she fires a music note at her opponent, and if it's not blocked, she and the opponent start synchronised dancing, and at the end, pirrouette till the opponent falls down. Maybe I remembered wrong and it was the clown guy from Star Gladiator.

Anyways, one way to implement dance fighting would be something similar to Darun(also from Street Fighter EX)'s Gamble of Darun(GoD) super, where the player of Darun has to keep doing 360 +Punch(or)Kick, and the opponent has to hit either Punch or Kick(whichever matches Darun's player's choice) to escape the series of grapples.

Back to the AoW thing, I remember that you could recruit heroes, and depending on their equipment and class(and level-up choices), you would gain auras for whatever was in the stack. Plus, there was a limit of 8 units(inclusive of any heroes) per hex, although you could attack with more than one stack if those hexes were touching the one you were attacking into. One difference being that in AoW, you gained XP only for hitting/killing in combat(even if you flee after that), and not for "just taking part".

Cruxador
2009-02-01, 12:13 PM
One difference being that in AoW, you gained XP only for hitting/killing in combat(even if you flee after that), and not for "just taking part".

Only applies to units, your Heroes gained XP in all sorts of ways. But yeah, the XP does seem to work a bit differently.

Hatu
2009-02-02, 12:54 AM
Happy ending?

I think she's the BBEG.


I must admit: having the surviving sides team up to kill Wanda would be about the nicest, most enjoyable solution to Erfworld's plot I could think of. I find her disturbingly evil (given how studiously everyone else in the comic tries to avoid classic "evil"), but I seem to be unusual in that.

It seems a little too cliche to happen (what with the evil Necromancer and her army of the undead thing), but it is a nice idea.

-H

AtomicKitKat
2009-02-04, 06:26 AM
Can't believe I forgot the most obvious dance-fighter of all. Duck King (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/8slan8/duckKing.gif)!:smallcool:

Paul_Blue
2009-02-04, 07:26 AM
Doesn't she look a lot like Diana from the series V?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9jFh85kKIjc/SNwKPirClzI/AAAAAAAAAuc/pyQJKqskwpc/s400/Jane-Badler-V_l.jpg

//Paul

Yellowchopstick
2009-02-04, 09:30 AM
Do I have a dirty mind for noticing that the female uncroaked have the Hamstard's head nestled snuggly in their...uh...breastplate? :smallbiggrin:

Fjolnir
2009-02-05, 02:48 PM
yes but only a little. when do we see what maggie is doing?

Goshen
2009-02-05, 09:29 PM
yes but only a little. when do we see what maggie is doing? I see some parallels between Maggie and Wanda.

They are both absolutely loyal, and completely ruthless. Both are highly competent and like order--In D&D terms, I think Wanda is lawful evil and Maggie is lawful neutral. Both like to stay within their specialties, but it looks like her recognized competence in other areas keeps her busy doing stuff she doesn't like. I guess Maggie was more successful in not volunteering to do anything outside of her specialty. Both are tough as nails.

On the other hand, Wanda is psycho-sexy, while Maggie is quite the square. I It looks like Wanda is more creative than Maggie, but they our probably equally smart.

I can see them having completely impersonal all-business working relationship, and being entirely comfortable with that.

Oslecamo
2009-02-06, 08:10 AM
On the other hand, Wanda is psycho-sexy, while Maggie is quite the square. I It looks like Wanda is more creative than Maggie, but they our probably equally smart.


I don't think that Wanda is more creative than Maggy.

It's just that Wanda is more willing to take risks than Maggy.

Wanda has little trouble jumping into the fray and improvising as
needed.

Maggie on the other hand likes to have a bacup plan. She acepted the whole linking thingy because she knew when it was broken she could survive at the expense of others. She patched up Hamster's mind out of her own free will when he looked tired, and admited she couldn't compete with Charlie's thinkmancy right away.

Wanda on the other hand got seriously crippled because she did the whole brainwashing thingy whtout taking precautions, she has a stash of combat scrolls BUT doesn't take them to battle, she rose to the top of the tower just so she could nuke her ex-girlfriend(exposing herself to a lethal counter attack on the process). She's probably more neutral evil, since altough she likes rules she's more than willing to breack them when they don't suit her. How many times has she changed clothes already?

Subtext
2009-02-07, 02:44 PM
I can't see why Hamster shouldn't follow Thriller in a dance-fight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsAiS9vNid0