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The Blackbird
2009-03-24, 08:32 PM
Just thought this would be neat idea. All you do is list yo top 10 (or top 5 or top 3 it does not really matter) villains and say where they came from. You can also list why, but you don't have to.

My own top list
1.Veeda (My brothers D&D campaign)
2.Xykon (Order of the Stick)
3. The Joker (Dark Knight)
4.Tavington (The Patriot)
5.KAHN (Star Trek Wrath of Kahn)
6.Voldemort (Harry Potter)
7.Hans (Diehard)
8. Magneto (X-Men) but I think I spelled his name wrong
9.Alec (James Bond Goldeneye)
10. Alex (Golden Sun)

As another note, when you add on why they may be your favorite, you still should spoiler stuff that should be spoilered.

Assassin89
2009-03-24, 08:41 PM
I think it's spelled Magneto.


Golbez (Final Fantasy IV)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)
Bowser (Mario)
Galdes (Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals Ring of Fates)
Andross (Starfox)

The Blackbird
2009-03-24, 08:49 PM
I think it's spelled Magneto.


Golbez (Final Fantasy IV)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)
Bowser (Mario)
Galdes (Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals Ring of Fates)
Andross (Starfox)


Ya Magneto, that seems right. I like Andross being on there if my own list stretched a little further he'd be on there.

WitchSlayer
2009-03-24, 08:58 PM
COMICS ONLY LIST

1. Thanos/Darkseid (So hard to choose)
2. Lex Luthor
3. Norman Osborne
4. Sinestro
5. Brainiac
6. Magneto
7. Deadshot
8. Bane (Although he isn't villainous anymore)
9. Johnny Sorrow
10. Superboy Prime (Because nothing's more hilarious than turning all the angry comments people leave on forums and turning them into a supervillain)

Honorable Mention: Onomatopoeia.

Cheesegear
2009-03-24, 09:22 PM
Best Villains as picked by Cheesegear with lots of different mediums. I've tried to pick at least one from Books/TV/Movies/Comics/Games.
(in no particular order)

The Master (Doctor Who)...I put him first...Because. :smallamused:

Ozymandias (Watchmen)
Randall Flagg (various Stephen King novels)
Jon Irenicus (Baldur's Gate)

Venom/Eddie Brock (Marvel)
...The movie version was utter crap. And the other Venoms were nowhere near as cool.

Galvatron (Transformers, Gen-1)
The Original Generation 1 Galvy. None of those new crap Galvatrons. And he kicks Megatron's a*.

Bane (DCU)

Slade Wilson / Deathstroke (DCU)
...In the Teen Titans animated series, he's voiced by Ron Perlman...Win. In the comics, just about every non-super craps their pants when he shows up. And then some Supers are scared of him too.

Exodus (Marvel)

Mr. Sinister (Marvel)
Full of win. Always.

11th. Lily Weatherwax (Discworld)
And she's the Good Sister too. I think that's what I most like about her too.

Honourable Mention;
Magneto (Marvel), Kefka (FF), Unicron (Transformers), Megatron (Beast Wars version), Xanatos (Gargoyles) and Raistlin (DragonLance)

Lionel Luthor (Smallville)
In the original seasons he was masterful. Plus, John Glover is awesome.

Evrine
2009-03-24, 09:29 PM
Not in any particular order

1. Kreia (Star Wars: knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)
2. Baron Harkonnen (Dune)
3. Simon Gruber (Die Hard with a Vengeance)
4. General Woundwort (Watership Down)
5. Todd (Stargate Atlantis)
6. Darth Vader (Star Wars)
7. Godzilla
8. Vincent (Collateral)
9. Ba'al (Stargate SG-1)
10. King Einon (Dragonheart)

Lord Blace
2009-03-24, 09:35 PM
My list:
1. Darth Revan (Knights of the Old Republic)
2. Dr. Doom (Marvel Comics)
3. Magneto (Marvel Comics)
4. Bowser (Nintendo, Mario)
5. Darth Vader (StarWars)
6. Lex Luthor (DC Comics)
7. Galactus (Marvel Comics)
8. Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
9. Dracula (Movies and Castlevania)
10. Psycho Mantis (Metal Gear Solid)

Starscream
2009-03-24, 09:45 PM
1. Thanos/Darkseid (So hard to choose)


Darkseid. Thanos got beat up by Squirrel Girl. And it's cannon, I don't care what you say LALALA I can't hear you!

1) The Joker
2) The Daleks
3) Doctor Doom
4) Hannibal Lecter
5) Freddy Krueger
6) The Master
7) GLaDOS
8) Lex Luthor
9) KHAAANNN!
10) Jason Voorhees

Zarah
2009-03-24, 09:46 PM
This is probably going to be more personal taste than anything. Also, I'm going to take the high road and try to actually protect from spoiling people. :smalltongue:

1) Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Yeah, the prequel trilogy turned him into a whiny kid, but there's no doubt that he's still awesome in the original movies. He's like, the quintessential villain, and everyone knows it.
2) The Joker (Batman, pick anything)
The Joker and Batman have gone down in history as rivals. Lex Luthor comes in as a close contender, but the Joker is just so much more villainy, especially in his darker variations, so he gets to take the prize.
3) Spoiler: Sōsuke Aizen (Bleach)
The man totally played Soul Society for over 100 years and pretty much murdered his own vice-captain, who happened to be in love with him. Yeah, he's a grade A bastard. But a magnificent one.
4) Spoiler: Sun Li (Jade Empire)
You play through most of the game, finally find your kidnapped master and prepare to save him. So what does he do? Kills you and steals the macguffin so he can rule the empire. And it was awesome.
5) Sauron (The Lord of the Rings)
He was evil. He was epic. He wanted to rule Middle Earth, and came pretty darn close too. Then a hobbit showed up and everything went to crap. He might be higher on the list if he had been defeated by anything other than a hobbit, but alas.
6) Keyser Söze (The Usual Suspects)
It takes serious skill to pull off what he did. But he did, and he did it oh so well.
7) The Combine (Half-Life 2)
They enslaved humanity and are doing everything in their power to completely screw over Earth as quickly as they possible can. And who stands in their way? A guy with a crowbar.
8) Spoiler: Frank Fontaine (Bioshock)
Once again, he played the player character, and he played him well. It was a great revelation, and it really made you want to get back at him for everything.
9) Magneto (X-Men)
Yeah, he pretty much needs to be on any villain list.
10) Chrysalids (X-Com)
"Oh hey, there's not too many of them... Okay, now there's a few more. ...Where are they coming from?! AAAAAH MY FACE!!!" This is how nightmares are born, people.

Honorable Mentions:
Dracula
The Drej (Titan AE)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)
Dagoth Ur (Morrowind)
Mehrunes Dagon (Oblivion)
GLaDOS (Portal)
Zombies
Ninjas
Pirates
...Okay, now I'm just listing memes.

I could also put a few villains that I've created too, but I'm not that pompous. :smalltongue:

Tensu
2009-03-24, 09:47 PM
Not counting villains I made up:

You'll notice all of my villains are from video games, and most of them from three games in particular. If you have a problem with this, shut the **** up, they where all excellent games:smalltongue:

10. Sir Baldwin (Ogre battle 64): He throws an entire kingdom into civil war, killing who knows how many, unleashes demons on the earth, gets the knights templar possesed by said demons, casues people to sacrifice their families for demons, gets who knows how many people possessed, throws his older brother and his mentor to the wolves, and kills an old lady, only to die via invisible *****-slap seconds away from ultimate power. Not the most dramatic death for the main villain, but by far the funniest. Sir Baldwin, You are Epic Fail incarnate.

9. Ludo (Gladius): Sure, He may just be a generic childhood friend gone traitorous, not nearly standing out in personality as much as Teepo or Yumil, but what really hurt is that he betrayed you not once, but twice. and to top it all off, with still no gladius sequel in sight it looks like he even got away with it, which is more than most villain can claim.

8. Midna (The legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess): What? Just because she wasn't an antagonist means she's not a villain? She doomed Her entire race to eternal suffering for no good reason. And she's a killstealer to boot.

7. Sir Rhade (Ogre battle 64): There are few Villains I've ever hated more than Rhade. It was so much fun to watch his ignorant little world collapse around him, to listen to his constant swearing as your forces drew ever nearer to dealing him his final fate.

6. Prince Yumil (Ogre battle 64): Second most tragic villain ever. We agreed on what needed to be done, but not the best way to do it. and that led to the more man's downfall.

5. Balio & Sunder (Breath of Fire III): There are more intelligent and more powerful villains. There are More tragic and more sympathetic villains. The are better thought out and better written villains. But at the end of the day I'll never hate or fear any other villains as much as I did these two Unicorn gangsters. I hate you, Balio and Sunder. I hate you with every Fiber of my being. And I love you for making me hate you more than any other villain ever could.

4. Gannondorf (The legend of Zelda, esp. the Wind Waker): All this time we thought Gannondorf's motivations where purely selfish. But by the end of the wind waker, I had nothing but sympathy for the man.

3. Zant (The legend of Zelda: twilight princess): All this time you thought he was a calm, collected bad-*** When that couldn't have been further from the truth. Still, He's a better fit for king than Midna is queen.

2. Teepo (Breath of Fire III): You end your entire messed-up life looking for your childhood friend and in all likelyhood brother, only to find Myra's brainwashed the poor purple-haired bastard and now you have to kill him. What really sucks id that for the short time He's in your party, He's awesome in combat and hilarious in cutscenes. I really felt bad to take him down.

1. Myra (Breath of fire III):Myra convinced the world she was a goddess and drove an entire civilization/species to (pretty much) extinction. And she had almost perfectly valid reasons for doing so. almost. I wasn't sure if I should fight her or not when given the option. But I ultimately decided there was still a lot of hell left unpaid for her actions.

The Blackbird
2009-03-24, 09:52 PM
Lionel Luthor (Smallville)
In the original seasons he was masterful. Plus, John Glover is awesome.

Agreed:smallamused:

Dienekes
2009-03-24, 10:37 PM
1) The Joker (TDK, BTAS, Killing Joke, when he's on he's the best) The Joker is my favorite character since I was around 15. As I've gotten older I've read his more brutal stuff and he's still grown as an intimidating and original villain. Sure many have tried to beat him as the crazy killer, but there is only one Joker
2) Hannibal Lecter (Red Dragon: the book not the movie) He's even creepier in the books, trust me on it.
3) Sera Kerrigan, Queen of Blades (StarCraft) The Queen B***h of the Universe. When I played this game as a kid I was enthralled at how she manipulated everyone to become the leader of the dominant species.
4) Iago (Othello) One of the original great deceivers in literature.
5) Mr. Kurtz (Heart of Darkness) When he is finally revealed it is an incredibly powerful scene. The man was so heartless and disgusting at the end.
6) Cthulhu (The whole mythos) Does this really need an explanation?
7) Cronus (Greek Mythology) Dude ate his babies. That's a new level of twisted
8) Ramsay Bolton (A Song of Ice and Fire) I'm biased. ASOIAF is my current favorite series, and the Bastard of Dreadfort is one of the most disgusting creatures ever.
9) Pety Baelish (A Song of Ice and Fire) I'm biased. ASOIAF is my current favorite series, and the slow revelations on Littelfinger are some of the most interesting scenes ever.
10) Chernabog (Fantasia) Come on this demon thing at the end of Fantasia was awesome. He looked like the pure embodiment of evil, had demons dance around for his whim and looking the size of pinpricks.

Honorable Mention:
Darth Vader. You woulda been up on the list buddy if it wasn't for those prequel movies that turned you all annoying.
General Zod (Now son of Jor-El, kneel before Zod!) you had a moment of glory, other than that, not much to say.
Magneto: I like you, I just like the rest of the blokes up there more
Lex Luther: He's had some good comics, even if all his movie appearances suck
Professor Moriarty: You deserve some recognition
Sauron: Sorry, I really don't like the "Distant Big Bad" approach to villains. Still you were revolutionary for your time.
Norman Bates: not much to say here, you're The Psycho.
Ra's al-Ghul: The Demon's Head. You have an interesting dynamic with Batman unlike most villains.
Angel Eyes: Something about your squinty-eyed torturing someone to music is just fun to watch
Keyser Soze: Nice finish.
Green Goblin: You're Spider-Man's mix of Lex and Joker. Pity you can't pull off either role as good as Lex or Joker
Godzilla: I like the roar, and the destruction. The destruction is good.
Michael Myers: you teach those kids to be abstinent!
Napoleon: A mighty fine pig (yeah I'm talking about the one from Animal Farm)
Gothmaug: Whenever we see this Balrog he kills someone important.
Gannondorf: Ok, stealing from someone else. But he deserves a place.

I have more but I should probably stop now.

Verruckt
2009-03-25, 12:29 AM
From lest to greatest:

3: Megatron (The Final Boss of saturday morning cartoons)

2: Anonymous (The Final Boss of the Internet)

1: Hitler (The Final Boss of History)

I think that's pretty comprehensive.

alternate list:
3: Hitler
2: Zombie Hitler
1: Zombie Vampire Mecha-Hitler

Cheesegear
2009-03-25, 01:58 AM
I'm the only one who likes Mr. Sinister more than Magneto?

But...The world is Sinister's Chess Board. Heck, getting killed was all according to his plan...Plus, he's British. British Bad Guys are the best kind.

Sinister betrays Apocalypse (that takes balls), he is the brain behind the Weapon X project (they found his journal), manipulated the Summers' gene pool from the word 'Go' and has definitely screwed with Xavier on multiple times and can even give Charles a run for his money telepathically.

Tensu
2009-03-25, 02:08 AM
2: Anonymous (The Final Boss of the Internet)

I'm not sure they're evil. I mean sure, on the one hand they've put people through a lot with some pretty terrible pranks, like the one to give people seizures, but then, they're also trying to destroy the church of scientology, a definite act of chaotic good.

VelvetThunder
2009-03-25, 02:41 AM
Top 3 Villiany Evil guys

1. Nakago from Fushigi Yugi

2. Sephiroth from FFVII

3. Lore From Star Trek TNG

Atelm
2009-03-25, 03:04 AM
My list of top villains & antagonists.

Honourable Mentions:
Gin (Detective Conan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective_Conan))
Chianti (Detective Conan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective_Conan))
Count Cagliostro (The Castle of Cagliostro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_of_Cagliostro))
Kaitou Kid (Magic Kaitou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Kaitou)/Detective Conan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective_Conan))
Sync the Tempest (Tales of the Abyss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Abyss))
The Master (Fallout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(video_game)))


15) Master of the Crypt (Nausicaä (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausica%C3%A4_of_the_Valley_of_the_Wind_(manga)))
14) Count Dracula (Bram Stoker's Dracula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula_(novel)))
13) Delphine Eraclea (Last Exile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Exile))
12) Empress Endora (Ogre Battle: MotBQ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_Battle:_March_of_the_Black_Queen))
11) Rashidi (Ogre Battle: MotBQ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_Battle:_March_of_the_Black_Queen))
10) Professor Moriarty (The Final Problem/The Valley of Fear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Moriarty))
9) Joker (The Dark Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_(film))), although Jack Nicholson's potrayal deserves mention.
8) X/Sai (Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majin_Tantei_Nougami_Neuro))
7) Mithos Yggdrasill (Tales of Symphonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Symphonia))
6) Miyoko Tanashi (Higurashi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni))
5) Ashram (Record of Lodoss War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War))
4) Van Grants (Tales of the Abyss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Abyss))
3) Father/Homunculus (Fullmetal Alchemist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullmetal_Alchemist))
2) Karla the Grey Witch (Record of Lodoss War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War))
1) Dhaos (Tales of Phantasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Phantasia))

X2
2009-03-25, 04:30 AM
1. Freddy Krueger (A Nightmare on Elm Stree)"This is it Jennifer, your big break in TV!")
2. The Joker (DC Universe)
3. Davros (Doctor Who) "I am very difficult to kill..."
4. Negaduck (Darkwing Duck)
5. Khan (Star Trek II) "'round perditions flame!"
6. Xykon (The Order of the Stick) "REALLY Badass"
7. Black Mage (8 bit theater) "...but then this jerk made me think about boobies..."
8. Jafar (Aladdin)
9. Scarecrow (DC Universe)
10. Darth Vader (Star Wars)

TheBST
2009-03-25, 04:41 AM
personal favs

1) Iago (Othello)
2) The Party (1984)
3) Satan (Paradise Lost)
4) The Joker
5) Mr. Burns (Simpsons)
7) Michael Corleone (Godfather part II)
8) Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
9) Livia (I, Claudius)
10) Judge Holden (Blood Meridian)

Harperfan7
2009-03-25, 05:15 AM
Not in order, so not numbered

Ellsworth Toohey
Sephiroth (honorable mention to Kuja)
Ozymandias (though I hated Dr, Manhatten even more)
The Joker (dark knight)
Artemis Entreri (earlier on)
Malkizid (I think the third last mythal book was rushed and not well thought out, but in theory, he is an excellent and dynamic BBEG)
Big Brother
The Administrator (honorable mention to the Nihilanth)
Sargeras
Cthulu

I intentionally didn't mention and denizens of hell/abyss, liches, or drow.

EDIT: Looks like I got ninja'd on 1984.

mcv
2009-03-25, 05:38 AM
1. Darth Vader (he's the personification of evil, how can he not be #1?)
2. Hitler
3. Adelei Niska (Firefly)
4. The Joker (Dark Knight)
5. Xykon
6. Cthulhu
7. The Daleks (because they're so unstoppable)
8. Sauron
9. Mr Teatime (Discworld)
10. Magneto (because he switches between being the X-Men's arch-nemesis and their ally or even leader)

EvilDMMk3
2009-03-25, 06:07 AM
Here is my list.

Davros, Doctor Who
Mr Teatime, Discworld
The Master, Doctor Who
The Joker, Batman
Mr Morden (and by extention the shadows), Babylon 5
Judge Death, Judge Dredd
Darth Vader, Star Wars
Ozymandias, Watchmen
Cluny the Scourge, Redwall
Halastur Blackcloak, Forgotten Realms

Athaniar
2009-03-25, 06:17 AM
Xavius's List of Several of His Favorite Fictional Villains In No Specific Order Because He Cannot Put Them In Any Specific Order:

(Emperor) Palpatine/Darth Sidious - Star Wars (THE Evil Mastermind Villain)
The Joker - As Portrayed in The Dark Knight
The Daleks - Doctor Who
Xykon - Order of the Stick (just read Start of Darkness if you don't agree)
Ba'al - Stargate SG-1 (favorite Goa'uld)
Sauron - Lord of the Rings
Grand Admiral Mitth'raw'nuruodo/Thrawn - Star Wars (if you can even call him a villain)
Tabuu - Super Smash Brothers Brawl - Practically invincible, at least until Erinaceinae Ex Machina struck.
The Lich King - Warcraft
Deathwing - Warcraft
Archimonde - Warcraft (yes, another Warcraft)
Delphine Eraclea - Last Exile (thanks for reminding me, Atelm)
Morden/Shadows - Babylon 5

EDIT: Even more people and "people"!

The Xenomorphs/Aliens - Alien
The Master - Doctor Who

Pending
Yogg-Saron - Warcraft (Patch 3.1 will decide)
Gul Dukat - Star Trek (great so far, but I'm only about 2/3 into Season 6)

Why Not?
Darth Vader - Star Wars (he becomes good at the end. Not villain enough)

Quincunx
2009-03-25, 06:45 AM
A lot of people have plumped for the destroyers of races, homicidal maniacs, and master schemers. I'm going to toss in a few more that oppressed the human spirit.

Diana Moon Glampers, Handicapper-General of the United States, "Harrison Bergernon" by Kurt Vonnegut.
Enforcer of equality by shackling people blessed with natural gifts like beauty and intelligence. When those smarty-pants smarties ripped off their handicaps and dared use their full potential, she blasted 'em with a double-barreled shotgun. It was a bad vision of political correctness two decades before affirmative action; it was a worse vision when I encountered people who sigged themselves with "God created men, and Samuel Colt made them equal".

Comrade O'Brien, Inner Party member, 1984, George Orwell.
One of those people who knows what you're thinking before you can articulate the thought can also deduce the principles by which you live your life. Such people can then use your own principles to support their views, and you can't think your way out of the trap without changing yourself. Once you see the necessity to change, under the eye of someone who has a new world-view for you. . .well, everyone has a breaking strain, after which you cease to think for a moment. . .

Hmmm. . .far too much moral ambiguity in my books less than 50 years old, degrees of evil lying cheek by jowl with degrees of good. For a flicker there's again the terror of lacking self-knowledge when someone else knows you, but after that--nothing.

sun_tzu
2009-03-25, 06:56 AM
In no particular order:
Grand Admiral Thrawn, from Timothy Zahn's Star Wars book. Incredibly intelligent, made me root for him.
Nemesis from City of Heroes/City of Villains. A steampunk Dr Doom, so clever and awesome I get chills when I realize he's involved in my current quest.
Gin from Detective Conan. Looks like just some mobster at first...but then, every time he shows up, we get to see more of how incredibly clever, deadly and badass he is. He's like the angel of death or something.
Kaito Kid from Detective Conan. Because gentlemen thieves can't get classier than that.
Dr. Tomoe from Sailor Moon. You know you're doing something right when you can look sinister while drinking coffee or playing twister.
Xykon. Looks like a harmless villain at first...then you get the battle of Azure City, or Start of Darkness, and suddenly he's terrifying.
Redcloak. Intelligence and depth? Sign me up!
The Head Alien from "It's Walky". Like Xykon, he looks like a harmless comedy villain at first...then he starts doing those mind-crushingly evil things, and torturing the characters psychologically in ways that would make Hannibal Lecter weep.
The Sovereign of Sorrow from Captain SNES. Possibly the best cosmic horror of all times. You will fear the purple front.
DCAU Lex Luthor. So much awesome.

Canadian
2009-03-25, 08:59 AM
#1 Matt Damon

Tensu
2009-03-25, 09:06 AM
3) Satan (Paradise Lost)


Why is Satan not at the top of your list?:smallconfused:

TheBST
2009-03-25, 09:10 AM
Why is Satan not at the top of your list?:smallconfused:

Too sympathetic. Plus, in Paradise Lost, he's kind of playing into God's hands the whole time. Plus the party scare me more and I enjoyed Iago's antics more.

Tensu
2009-03-25, 09:19 AM
I consider being sympathetic to be a good trait for villains to have. (If you'll notice, most of the guys on my list, esp. the top villains, got there because they where sympathetic) because it makes villains more believable. Also, Satan is the source, whenever there's any evil you can trace it back to him. and it's kind of hard to not play into your opponent's hands when your opponent is omniscient and omnipotent.

Egiam
2009-03-25, 09:32 AM
Hm... thats hard. Here are a few-

Ozymandias

THE JOKER (the Dark Knight)

Darth Vader

Dementio and (Super mario Galaxy) (first mario boss with depth, he felt more like Ozymandias/ the joker than bowzer)

saevitia
2009-03-25, 09:59 AM
Can't rank past here... too many!
6. Robotnik(Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM/american comics flavor)
5. Megabite (Reboot)
4. The Major (Hellsing Manga)
3. Scar (Lion King)
2. Magneto
1. Joker

Satyr
2009-03-25, 10:52 AM
Hmm. I think the best Villains are very likely to come the best works, since an excellent character in a mediocre story is not that great in the complete concept.

So...

Lord Tywin Lannister from A Song of Ice and Fire. He is a manipuilative bastard who has no problem to command complete sociopaths (like Gregor Clegane) and lives by terrible double standards. A Song of Ice and Fire as some great antagonists, some are intrigant backstabbers, others are sociopatic murderers, but no one alse combines Tywin's intelligence with a strive for ffectiveness that is no longer hold back by "morals" or "loyalty".

John Doe from se7en. He is not only a mass murderer on a kiling spree, eveerything that happens during the movie is under his control. Up to the end. Bonus points in complete vileness for the method of death in "Lust".

Capitano Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth. In a monster that fatures one of the better maid monsters of the last 10 years or so, a character that is a lot scarrier than said mosnter is remarkable. But the most scary thing about him: historical fascist officers were a lot crueler. And real.

Graf Orlock from Nosferatu. Yes, he is only a Dracula replacement. But since both Nosferatu movies are so incredible superior to the contemporary Dracula films and the actors who played Orlock were so much better than those who played Dracula (with the notable exception of Gary Oldman), Orlock clearly beats Dracula in the question who is the greatest undead villain.
Even in real life, Klaus Kinski was a scary guy. But Kinsky + Dracula (=Orlock) is even worse... and that is only the remake. I found it always remarkable, who much worse the Bela Lugosi Dracula is in comparison to the the original Nosferatu. Even though the latter one is a silent movie.

Querzis
2009-03-25, 11:04 AM
1. The Joker (DC universe). Because hes the godamn Joker!

2. Crocodile (One Piece). If a One Piece fan somehow dont put him on this list then you were probably watching the horrible 4kids version of the show.

3. The Limper (the Black company). Oh my god wont that guy ever die???

4. Xykon (order of the stick).

5. Bad Girl (No more heroes). Yes, I know she was just a boss but shes just really creepy, she got an awesome theme song and there is just something incredibly badass about the fact that she was still hitting Travis like crazy after being impaled by his sword and she only died after Travis gave up.

6. Darth Vader (Star wars, the original trilogy).

7. The Dark knight (Fire emblem).

8. The Lich King (Warcraft).

9. Vysserk three(Animorph). That guy gave me nightmares when I was a kid.

10. Soulcatcher (the Black company).

saevitia
2009-03-25, 11:30 AM
Darth Vader (Star wars, the original trilogy).

I'll agree. Darth Vader is much awesomer if we forget about the prequels. Vader in a prequel universe is not awesome. :/

Dienekes
2009-03-25, 11:44 AM
1. Darth Vader (he's the personification of evil, how can he not be #1?)


Cause he's not the personification of evil. Hell, Palpatine was more evil than him.

PersonofJid
2009-03-25, 11:59 AM
Way too many to count, but here's some of the best in my opinion.

Asmodeus (the snake from Redwall, not the archfiend) He just had the right feel to him.

Asmodeus (the archfiend, ruler of the 9th layer of the Nine Hells) ...what?

Nom Anor (Star Wars New Jedi Order Series) He's a backstabbing, conivving, plotting, treacherous heretic...and I loved the guy.

Xykon (Order of the Stick) I concur with the reading of Start of Darkness to get the full effect of his badness. He really is evil with a capital 'E'.

Rogue A.I.'s of Shub (Deathstalker series by Simon R. Green) The self-proclaimed enemies of humanity. To put it into perspective: they took Winnie the Pooh, gave him a taste for flesh, and then sicced him on children.

The Joker (DC Universe) A murdering psychopath. Classic, funny, and irreplaceable.

Darth Vader (Star Wars) Again, he's classic and he's ruthless.

Hannibal Lector (Silence of the Lambs, Red Dragon, etc.) No comment. He speaks for himself.

The Witch King (Lord of the Rings) Because I don't think we give this guy enough credit.

Morgoth (Lord of the Rings) The real BBEG of Middle Earth. There is nothing Sauron knows that he didn't teach him first.

Muz
2009-03-25, 01:07 PM
In no particular order...

-Kreia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kreia), KOTOR2
-Scorpius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpius_(Farscape)#Scorpius), Farscape
-The Shrike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shrike), Hyperion Cantos (anyone who can kick the crap out of an entire army single-handedly deserves a little respect)
-Rhadamanth Nemes, Hyperion Cantos (anyone who can kick the crap out of the Shrike deserves a little respect)
-The developers of Deus Ex: Invisible War (series-betraying bastards)
-The Lady of Pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_of_Pain), Planescape (Not really a villain, per se, but she's creepy, dangerous, and not someone with whom you want to &$*@!.)
-Blue Duck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Duck_(Lonesome_Dove_series)), Lonesome Dove
-Anubis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis_(Stargate)#Anubis), Stargate
-BOB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_(Twin_Peaks)), Twin Peaks
-Lysis/Domel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato_characters#Gamilons), Starblazers/Space Battleship Yamato (To quote Starblazers Rule #4: "Lysis kicks ass.")
-Darth Vader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Vader), Star Wars (I mean, c'mon. It's frigging Vader.)

Athaniar
2009-03-25, 01:13 PM
Lord Xavius's Attempt to Create A List of His 10 Favorite Villains And Order Them, Which Might Not Be Too Easy A Task For the Satyr Lord, But At Least He Tries:

1. The Joker - The Dark Knight (if you've seen the film, you know why)
2. Palpatine - Star Wars (a truly villainous villain, both scheming manipulator and 1337 ÜBAR JEDI PWNR (pardon my Sith))
3. The Daleks - Doctor Who (EXTERMINATE!)
4. The Lich King - Warcraft (one of the best fantasy villains)
5. Thrawn - Star Wars (actually quite sympathetic)
6. Xykon - Order of the Stick (just read Start of Darkness)
7. Sauron - Lord of the Rings (the archetypical fantasy villain)
8. Ba'al - Stargate SG-1 (favorite Goa'uld, not just "KNEEL BEFORE ME I AM YOUR GOD!")
9. Ganondorf - Legend of Zelda (another cool n' evil fantasy víllain)
10. Blofeld - James Bond (pretty cool for a "mundane")

Weezer
2009-03-25, 01:54 PM
1)Petyr Baelish (George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire)
2)Tyrion Lannister (George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire)
3)Dracula (Bram Stoker's Dracula)
4)Lord Foul the Despiser (Steven Donaldson's Chronicle of Thomas Covenant)
5)Ozymandias (Watchmen (comic not the movie, he was more subtle in the comic))
6)Moties (Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's A Mote in Gods Eye)
7)Melkor (Silmarillion): much better than Sauron, no hobbits stood up to him
8)Grand Admiral Thrawn (Heir to the Empire)
9)Norsefire (V for Vendetta)
10)Frank Lucas (American Gangster)

My least favorite villain:
Cersei Lannister: Her villainy stems not from intelligent plotting but from sheer stupidity, especially in A Feast for Crows

Tensu
2009-03-25, 02:03 PM
3. Scar (Lion King)

Oh! nice choice. I remember when I was a kid I thought Scar was a generic villain, but now that I'm older and can make more since of his lines, I realize He had only the best intentions for everyone except Nufassa. It's truely a shame his golden age didn't work out the way he planned. Scar was by far the most human lion, and serves as a cautionary tale against (pretty much) everything we humans stand for.

I don't think Darth Vader deserves nearly as much love as he's getting. You could ignore how ridiculous his fall was ("So you see, the Sith are the good guys!" "Yes! I see! Now it all makes sense!" "You are going to have to murder some children now." "Yeah that's fair.") But without that, his character just seems half-developed. 'course has been a VERY long time since I saw the original series, but I seem to remember Vader as being sluggish and little more intimidating than your average storm trooper. Jabba seemed more powerful and more in-control than Vader.

Hzurr
2009-03-25, 02:28 PM
I don't think Darth Vader deserves nearly as much love as he's getting. You could ignore how ridiculous his fall was ("So you see, the Sith are the good guys!" "Yes! I see! Now it all makes sense!" "You are going to have to murder some children now." "Yeah that's fair.") But without that, his character just seems half-developed. 'course has been a VERY long time since I saw the original series, but I seem to remember Vader as being sluggish and little more intimidating than your average storm trooper. Jabba seemed more powerful and more in-control than Vader.

I kindof had the same feeling about Vader's fall from grace, until I went back and watched Episode 3 again. If you ignore the crappy dialog, the crappy acting (which I blame on crappy directing), and really think and pay attention to what was going on, there was a good story there. Anakin actually had very reasonable motivation. Now, it was conveyed horribly, but it's there.

As far as Vader not being scary in the origional series, I could see that argument for A New Hope or Return of the Jedi, but Vader is pure creepy in Empire Strikes Back. It becomes so obvious that he has nothing but disdain for his underlings, and has no real care for human life. The way he treats Han and Lando on Cloud City is awesome.

Joran
2009-03-25, 02:40 PM
Video Game Antagonists; numbers are for convenience only. These are for games I played enough to feel comfortable with the picks.

1) Andrew Ryan (Bioshock): Embodiment of Ayn Rand. His quotes throughout the game are definitely spooky and he has a lot of character. Especially his end: "A man chooses, a slave obeys!"

2) GLaDOs (Portal): Never had an enemy sing at me before. Her comments before and after each test are hilarious and I did feel sorry for her as I tore pieces out of her and burned them.

3) Kane (Red Alert): Once again, great lines, great voice, great charisma and he WILL NOT DIE! The dude is like a cockroach =P

4) Kerrigan (Starcraft): A dash of sympathy here. I tried to save her and the game railroaded me =P Anyway, she completely massacred all of my favorite characters and took control of an unstoppable alien horde while manipulating everyone around her.

I'll edit when I think of some more. I'd include Sephiroth, but I haven't played FFVII and feel like I can't defend the pick, likewise with Gannandorf or any other favorites.

Drascin
2009-03-25, 02:53 PM
I kindof had the same feeling about Vader's fall from grace, until I went back and watched Episode 3 again. If you ignore the crappy dialog, the crappy acting (which I blame on crappy directing), and really think and pay attention to what was going on, there was a good story there. Anakin actually had very reasonable motivation. Now, it was conveyed horribly, but it's there.

So, George Lucas had a good idea, but completely failed to write any lines that weren't cringeworthy to convey it?

Wow. Who would have imagined it? :smalltongue:

Gorgondantess
2009-03-25, 03:13 PM
1)Petyr Baelish (George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire)
2)Tyrion Lannister (George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire)
3)Dracula (Bram Stoker's Dracula)
4)Lord Foul the Despiser (Steven Donaldson's Chronicle of Thomas Covenant)
5)Ozymandias (Watchmen (comic not the movie, he was more subtle in the comic))
6)Moties (Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's A Mote in Gods Eye)
7)Melkor (Silmarillion): much better than Sauron, no hobbits stood up to him
8)Grand Admiral Thrawn (Heir to the Empire)
9)Norsefire (V for Vendetta)
10)Frank Lucas (American Gangster)

My least favorite villain:
Cersei Lannister: Her villainy stems not from intelligent plotting but from sheer stupidity, especially in A Feast for Crows

Ok, 1st of all, I'd have to say Tyrion Lannister is most definitely not a villain. He's more of an anti-villain,or maybe even anti-hero- he's definitely not a good guy, but he's very far from a bad guy. Lord Foul was pretty great too, but I think Covenant himself was far more antagonistic. As for Cersei: she wasn't stupid. In fact, she was quite intelligent- her father was Tywin Lannister, even if she had debilitating down syndrome she'd be intelligent. She was just debilitatingly insane, magalomaniacal and paranoid. Anyhow, onto my own list...
10: Gaston (Beauty and the Beast): While he may be the designated antagonist, and without a doubt a villain, he's really not evil, or anything like that; he's just a guy who's used to getting things his way.
9: Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs): Brilliant, evil, twisted... god, I love him. Still, he's almost gotten to the point of being trite he's so universally lauded, so he's not higher on the list.
8: Nyarlathotep (Cthulhu Mythos): Cthulhu's great and all, but he's not really all that brilliant or unique- just the being with the most influence on our speck of rock. Azathoth is truly a god, but he's so distant and impersonal. Nyarlathotep takes the Mythos cake by being truly godlike, powerful and alien, but still involved with us mere humans.
7: Andrew Ryan (Bioshock): Ahhh, the embodiment of the American dream. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? YES HE IS!
6: Hitler (Just Guess): Brilliant, evil, insane- the true embodiment of a villian, and he even graced the earth with his presence. Not that I think it was a good thing- people like him need to be restricted to fiction.
5: The Phantom (Phantom of the Opera): Largely just because I love the play, the Phantom earns this spot- but not just that. He's a creeper, but beautiful and sympathetic- one of my favoritest characters ever.
4: Frollo (Hunchback of Notre Dame): Great, great villain. Truly brilliant. And creepy.
3: Brand (Amber series): Ahhh, my first villain. He was the first one I really liked rooted for, and even empathised with.
1 (tied): Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish/Tywin Lannister/possibly Varys (Song of Ice and Fire Series): The enigmatic magnificent bastards of my favorite series. After reaching such a height, none can really be "better" than any of the others. I take my hat off to you all.

And this guy, who has been disqualified because he's a professional:
0: Archibald Cunningham (Rob Roy): The most evil, sociopathic character ever with some truly brilliant one liners. Just watch the movie and you'll see what I mean. He has no magic powers, no evil vendetta. He doesn't conspire to take over the world, to depose the king, to ready his doomsday device, to become invincible- no, he's just a greedy, lustful, cruel man. And when you look into his eyes, you find all that is evil and villainous in this world.

Honorable mention:
George Spiggot/Prince of Darkness/Mephistopheles/Beelzebub/The Horned One/Satan/The Devil (Original 1967 Peter Cook & Dudley Moore Bedazzled): Because he's in a comedy, and because he really isn't that villainous, he only receives an honorable mention. But god, he's brilliant- the guy steals the show.

AmberVael
2009-03-25, 03:34 PM
Top villains, eh?

Hmmmmm... this will require some thinking.
I'm going to limit myself to fiction, to avoid controversy (and to keep SOME kind of theme here).
I'll also try to avoid people who have already been mentioned, just for variety's sake.

...

Okay, thinking done. I tend to do things in groups of four (because I can never find things satisfying enough to make five, and yet three is too few).

4) Baron Wulfenbach from Girl Genius

"I did it my way this time. No more negotiating. No more promises. No more second chances. And I did it alone, because I had to. And it worked." (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040806)

Wulfenbach is almost hard to see as a bad guy- but he is a villain. He's trying to do what is best, but he is menacing, powerful, and does some rather questionable and harsh things to obtain that peace he longs for so much. Also, he's pitted against the obvious heroine, so that makes him the antagonist, and thus worthy of mention as a villain.
Amazing character- he has quite a bit of depth to him, and so you can understand what he's doing, but even so, he's definitely a villain. However, he's not completely over the edge of villainy, so he gets to be at the bottom of the scale despite sheer awesomeness on his part.

3) Niska from Firefly

Niska: Oh, you do not like I kill this man?
Mal: Oh no, I'm sure he was a... very bad person.
Niska: My wife's nephew. At dinner I am getting earful. There is no way out of that.

Niska is a bastard. An old, wrinkled, messed up bastard, and he loves it. He tortures people mentally and psychologically while crooning in that disturbing indulgent uncle style voice. He doesn't have an evil laugh, or terrifying power- he's just a sick little leprechaun indulging his creepy little fantasies.


2) Screwtape from the Screwtape letters

"My dear Wormwood..."

What does Screwtape do in the book? He writes letters- in fact, that's the entirety of the book itself- his letters.
But the content of his letters tells quite a story. He is cunning and despicable- an incomparable tempter who knows every trick in the book and then some. And in the end, when his nephew fails to do the job probable, it is implied that he eats him. Merciless, suave, and cunning, Screwtape definitely makes it into my list of best villains.

1) Moebius the Time Streamer, from the Legacy of Kain series

Raziel: My destiny is an amusement to you?
Moebius: It was fun, while it lasted.

Ah, Moebius. Such an infuriating villain. He never directly raises his hand against anyone... but he's always plotting, scheming, and talking his way out of situations. He's far too slippery for his own good.
This is a man who toys with people's destinies, who let his peers be slaughtered to further his own goals. He postures on the side of righteousness, but in reality he's just a manipulative, overly sly snake of a man.
You really feel him as a villain in the story. When he finally is defeated, you enjoy it oh so much. Spoiler: seriously, it is SO satisfying to see him get run through and taunted, powerless to resist... and then his spirit is run through again by Raziel and eaten. He so had it coming, and it was probably one the most satisfying scenes ever.

The Blackbird
2009-03-25, 05:18 PM
Wow, some of you guys are making me consider my own list again. I'm surprised I have not seen Darth Maul on anyones list though.

FoE
2009-03-25, 06:45 PM
Darth Maul was physically impressive, but he'd have been a lot more memorable if he'd stuck around for the entire prequels. As it is, he went out like a bitch. :smalltongue:

God bless the folks who mention that bastard Frank Fontaine. I just played through that game again and even though I knew it was coming, his "revelation" in the Rapture Master Control is still pretty chilling.

Everyone else has pretty well mentioned my top picks for the top villains. Since I'm a big Tad Williams fan, I'm going to throw out some names from his books:

1) Pyrates. Anyone who's read the Memory, Sorrow and Thorn series knows who I'm talking about. He wasn't the Big Bad of the trilogy —*that honour went to the freakin' Storm King —*but unlike the Storm King, you couldn't feel sympathy for Pyrates; he was just a vicious bastard willing to sell out his own race for an ounce of power. And unlike the Storm King, he was a presence in the storyline from beginning to glorious end.

2) The Storm King. I don't want to spoil the ending for someone wanting to read the series, but let's just say the Storm King was the bastard stepchild of Sauron and David Xanatos.

3) Johnny Dread. The soulless monster of the Otherland series. Initially, just another Psycho for Hire who gets his kicks slicing up women; in the end of the series, he's practically a god. A cruel, bloodthirsty god eager to destroy the world so he can dance through the ruins. Basically Kefka, but without a sense of humour.

4) Finney and Mudd. Brutal killers/rapists who are present in virtually every world visited by the protagonists. Not as dangerous as Johnny Dread, but incredibly hard to put down.

5) Lord Hellebore from War of the Flowers. Among a world of tricksters and outright monsters, Hellebore is among the worst. He is more than willing to kill hundreds of his own people and extinguish an entire world — our world — just to extend his rule.

Tensu
2009-03-25, 06:46 PM
Why would Darth maul be on anyone's list? he didn't really do anything other than kill a character created to be killed by him.

As for the fall of Anakin, the "did it for love" motivation works, even if it's becoming a bit of a cliché, but if he did it all for Padmae, why did he force-choke her brains out? I mean sure, he was angry, but that went against every action he ever took up until that moment.

The Blackbird
2009-03-25, 06:56 PM
Maul's villianess, came from him being totally badass, but other than that he really did not do anything. I think there's a couple cool stories about him in Star Wars books that makes him more villian worthy. He's still number 11 for me though.

horngeek
2009-03-25, 07:17 PM
So, here's my list.


Darth Cadeus (Legacy of the Force). Because of who he was
Aizen (Bleach). Who else can stop a Theme Song Power Up with a finger?
Darth Malak (KOTOR). I'm not saying Revan because I've never made him evil.


Don't have many. :smallbiggrin:

Darth Mario
2009-03-25, 07:40 PM
The Master from Doctor Who. "Here! Come! THE DRUMS!"
Jubal Early from Firefly. "Does that seem right to you?"
GLaDOS from Portal. "Maybe I'm just trying to trick you with reverse psychology."
The Joker from The Dark Knight. "What doesn't kill you just makes you... weirder."
Ba'al from Stargate SG-1.
Arthas from Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft.
Ozymandias from Watchmen. "I did it 35 minutes ago."
Kerrigan from StarCraft.
Dark Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. "Bored now."
G-Man from Half-Life 2 and episodes. "Rise and shine, Mr. Freeman. Rise and shine."

Mr. Scaly
2009-03-25, 07:53 PM
Hmm, let's try for something a bit different then:

Davros: When you're willing to go so far as to sacrifice your own skin just to destroy the universe...well, that is the sign of truly depraved evil.

Grand Admiral Thrawn: He was even better than Palpatine at Magnificent Bastardry and could do it without seeing the future or shooting bolts of lightning.

Darken Rahl: Rahl's schemes are typical. "Step 1) Rule world, Step 2) Profit." But so many of today's villains usually have some kind of redeeming quality or sympathetic back story, and he was the first I encountered without a single iota of sympathy to him.

Ambassador Laquatus: A favourite of mine, he gets bonus points for being everywhere at once, always scheming and plotting, and somehow successfully pretending to be civilised the whole time. His two favourite solutions to a problem are "murder" and "erase their memories."

The Major: From Hellsing. The man loves war. That is all.

Ghazkgull Mag Uruk Thraka: Not sure I spelled that right...but either he's delusional, he has psionic powers, or he really is the hand of Gork and Mork. Honestly though, it doesn't matter.

Grand Lord Golgren: The man is built out of Crowning Moments of Awesome. A sample is daring the gods themselves to come down and kill him in the middle of an earthquake!

Red Cloak: Xykon's a great villain and all, but Red Cloak beats him out here because his character development has been interesting and believable all through the comic while keeping him a villain.

Q: Not technically a villain but whenever he shows up people's lives get inconvenienced. And he can seriously inconvenience lives.

The Dragon Snakes: Not sure how to describe them except as embodiments of every negative thought, emotion, and intention conceived. War, chaos, strife and hate feed them and make them grow stronger. So naturally they're secretly behind everything bad that ever happens, ever.

D_Lord
2009-03-25, 07:54 PM
In no order:

The Joker: he is the Joker what more do you want.
Darth Vader: 1-3 who cares, 4-5 he is the Villain
Mr. Teatime: he almost killed DEATH, need I say more about his eyes
Lich King: Awesome
Xanatos: this is the Chessmaster
Lord END: He was made to be eviler then every other villain out there. So bad that you don't even love to hate him.

Tensu
2009-03-25, 09:20 PM
Ambassador Laquatus: A favourite of mine, he gets bonus points for being everywhere at once, always scheming and plotting, and somehow successfully pretending to be civilised the whole time. His two favourite solutions to a problem are "murder" and "erase their memories."

"He smiles with poisoned lips":smallbiggrin:

I see Arthus on a lot of lists. He probably deserves it, since his fall from glory was about 10,000 times more believable than Vader's.

doliest
2009-03-25, 09:28 PM
10-Atvar(Worldwar)
Only a villian in that he commands the aliens invading earth, he shows a concern for his men while at the same time acknnowlegding that he'll have to use them til' they're dead then send more to die.
9-Teatime(Hogfather)
Terrifying in both action and description teatime was like an evil child that giggled as he stabbed a man to death.
8-Buffalo Bill(Joe Dirt)
Funny, honestly this guy was just funny and I love him for that.
7-Dr. Evil(The austin powers movies)
A parody of the james bonds villians who employs an awesome series of cohorts, particularly Frau, founder of the militant wing of the salvation army.
6-That rich guy(House on haunted hill original)
Vincent Price,....just Vincent Price
5-Lord Soth(Dragonlance)
The only villian I've seen in which 'get the girl' was an interesting motivationin for a villian.
I'm making this a spoiler just in case-
4- Your character(saint's row 2)
In the first game, you can pretend to be a hero, in the second one, you're clearly the villian,down to the mission where your kill Julius and admit that you just wanna be the king pin.
3-Scarecrow(Batman)
I always liked this character more than any batman villian for some reason, I don't know why I just do.
2. Ghostface killer (scream 1 only)
I love this/these guy(s)/girl(s) they're funny and well motivated in a sense.
1. Jigsaw(Saw movies)
An interesting motivation, decent actor, good writing, and a sadistic street a mile wide all lead to my favorite villian of all time.

grolim
2009-03-25, 11:35 PM
Lot of good ones here, especially love Niska. Who needs powers to be evil.

Also liked the devil, played by Jeff Goldblum, In Mr. Frost

The devil played by John Glover in Brimstone.

Evil Angel from Buffy..I mean come on what he did to Giles and his girlfriend in that series was classic (Last time i tortured someone chain saws hadnt even been invented.)

Zorg from 5th Element.

LaCroix from Forever Knight.

Dexter, sure I love him and he is the good guy of the show but.....

The Kurgan....nuff said.

Da'Shain
2009-03-26, 12:18 AM
Can't really put them in order. There are some villains on here that I like more than others, but each embodies something that really makes me love the character even as I hate their actions.

The Joker. (DCU) In almost all variations. It's not so much the killer clown concept, as it is the sheer enjoyment he derives from anything he does, whether it's squirting someone in the face with a water gun or torturing them to death, all the time making jokes that usually make me laugh despite my horror. His insanity is his superpower, making him near-impossible to predict, and he manages to be one of the most feared villains in a universe where gods walk the earth. Parth of that is due to author fiat, but I don't care; it's still awesome.

Sephiroth. (Final Fantasy 7) The game that got me into video gaming also had one of the best villains I've yet encountered. Presented as Cloud's dark mirror from the beginning, you find yourself manipulated by your hatred for him into giving him exactly what he wants ... and then he tosses you aside like garbage. Another insane character, his lack of real human relationships and position as a veritable demigod in his world contributed to his breakdown when he discovered that he was "the same" as the monsters he'd been killing for his masters. He's almost pathetic, when you hear him talking about "mother" and him, as though the only family he knows is an genocidal alien monstrosity. But in the end, he's decided to finish what his mother started, and become god of all the world, and he does it with style.

Emperor Palpatine. (Star Wars) Even before the prequels (and despite his ass-kickery, I was meh about his portrayal in them), he was what I immediately thought of whenever "evil mastermind" came up. He's the "Satan of Star Wars," and he's the closest thing to evil incarnate in the entire saga and expanded universe, still, after decades of new ideas and fresh villains. He knows exactly what makes people tick, how to bend them, how to fold them, and how to break the everloving #$%@ out of them. Out for nothing beyond himself, not even really for the Sith's revenge or for bringing order to the galaxy, he subjugates an entire galaxy to his will and is only brought low by his inability to understand love. Twice. Also, Force Storms. That is all.

Ineluki, the Storm King. (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn) Ineluki, to me, is one of the most tragic villains I've ever read about. His people persecuted, their millenia-old way of life being stamped out for no reason but human aggression, he commits the gravest of sins for the sake of his people, damning himself forever because of his love for them. Surviving as nothing more than a force of personality, he still manages to orchestrate his final revenge on the world, even as he manipulates his enemies by using prophecy (so often a way of authors telling their characters what to do through deus ex machina) to turn them into his servants. He is only defeated when the main characters shows his ability to forgive and understand, not just fight and destroy.

The Blind God. (Acts of Caine) It took a lot to top Ma'elkoth, but the Blind God managed to overshadow even that charismatic mage-turned-god and control him. The force of the human race's lust for conquest and consumption given shape, it is hunger personified ... and twisted our world into a dystopian hellhole swarming with too many humans to support. Anything the heroes do to stop it, it merely turns into its weapon and comes that much closer to its goal of a fresh world to consume. Utterly depraved and at the same time eminently logical, it is only finally defeated by creating a new god which seals off all contact between the new world and Earth ... and even this may be failing.

SkyNet. (Terminator) The sum of all our fears about AI (maybe not all, as I guess it doesn't use humans as batteries), SkyNet is not the first computer intelligence to have turned against its masters in fiction, but it is one of the most iconic. Created to protect, it becomes convinced that the best path for the planet is to wipe out all human life (and probably all organic life) to make way for machines. This isn't a mustache-twirling villain who feels the need to interact with its lessers, either; SkyNet sets about its task with methodical precision and no fanfare. It's out to kill us all, and it will do anything it can to succeed, including altering time.

Boomerang. (Wild Arms) "If the humans can turn hope into power, then I can forge desire into a blade ..."A demon with no aspirations save combat, no ties save his own whims, no weapon save desire. He's a cliche, but he's done exceedingly well, the one opponent in the game that you can respect. Zed you pity; Zeikfried you hate; Mother, you recoil in horror from. Even Harken turns into a sob story. But Boomerang wants nothing save the challenge of fighting you, the greatest warriors he has met in his long life ... and when he is beaten, he doesn't let even death stand in the way of his rematch. "This is my prey! Go home and play with your toys!"

That's all for now. I can think of more, but I don't want to turn this into just a list.

Harperfan7
2009-03-26, 02:35 AM
I think Canadian meant...

#1 MYAAAAATT DYAAAAMONNNN!

The Orange Zergling
2009-03-26, 03:16 AM
This list changes as often as the winds, but at the moment...

10: Davy Jones (Pirates of the Carribean)
9: Xykon (Order of the Stick)
8: Sweeney Todd (Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street)
7: Eric Cartman (South Park)
6: Kane (Command & Conquer)
5: Sarah Kerrigan (StarCraft)
4: GLaDOS (Portal)
3: Darth Vader (Star Wars)
2: Frank Fontaine (BioShock)
1: Rorschach (Watchmen)

sun_tzu
2009-03-26, 03:33 AM
Top villains, eh?

Hmmmmm... this will require some thinking.
I'm going to limit myself to fiction, to avoid controversy (and to keep SOME kind of theme here).
I'll also try to avoid people who have already been mentioned, just for variety's sake.

...

Okay, thinking done. I tend to do things in groups of four (because I can never find things satisfying enough to make five, and yet three is too few).

4) Baron Wulfenbach from Girl Genius

"I did it my way this time. No more negotiating. No more promises. No more second chances. And I did it alone, because I had to. And it worked." (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040806)

Wulfenbach is almost hard to see as a bad guy- but he is a villain. He's trying to do what is best, but he is menacing, powerful, and does some rather questionable and harsh things to obtain that peace he longs for so much. Also, he's pitted against the obvious heroine, so that makes him the antagonist, and thus worthy of mention as a villain.
Amazing character- he has quite a bit of depth to him, and so you can understand what he's doing, but even so, he's definitely a villain. However, he's not completely over the edge of villainy, so he gets to be at the bottom of the scale despite sheer awesomeness on his part.
I considered putting Klaus here, but finally decided that no, he's not a villain. Antagonist, sure. But not a villain.

Kato
2009-03-26, 07:03 AM
Er.... best villains... I always suck at this. I suck at those list because I can never make my mind up. And villains are even worse since I have to wonder what a best villain has to do. Shall he be a complete monster? A magnificient bastard? A loveable rogue? Sympathic? Cruel? Funny? Just plain evil? Argh, I just can't decide.

So, in no special order, just some villains that deserve mention imo.

a) David Xanatos (Gargoyles, come on, he has a bunch of tropes named after him)
b) Eric Cartman (South Park, do I have to say anything?)
c) Lex Luthor (Superman, just a very classic villain)
d) Psycho Mantis (MGS, for breaking the fourth wall continously)
e) Char Aznable (Gundam, for spawning more characters than anyone else I can think of)
f) Kane (C&C, as mentioned already, the most charismatic cockroach ever)
g) Daleks (Doctor Who, 'Exterminate!')
h) Darth Vader (Star Wars, just have to put him here, and ignoring the prequels he is a quite decent epitome of an evil general with a redemption at the end)
i) Black Mage (8-bit Theatre, just for the lulz)
j) Light (or L?) (Death Note, decide who's the villain on your own. period)

AmberVael
2009-03-26, 10:49 AM
I considered putting Klaus here, but finally decided that no, he's not a villain. Antagonist, sure. But not a villain.

Are we talking about the same guy who methodically destroys the brains of sparks to determine what makes them a spark? (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040107) and here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040319))

Are we talking about the same guy who has tons of assassins attempting to depose him when he's injured (don't tell me all of those guys are in no way justified to want to remove him- I'm sure some of them have valid reasons not displayed in the comic). (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070611))

The guy who would test his son in dangerous ways and (if we can believe the Jager in the beginning) would kill him if he failed to have enough potential? (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021216))

Or how about the person who rounded up hundreds of people and pushed them into a giant death trap just for being rather questionable and obnoxious? (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070824))

I'm pretty sure he's a villain. At times he may be an understandable shade of gray, but then there are some times when his nature shines through.

Querzis
2009-03-26, 11:19 AM
Are we talking about the same guy who methodically destroys the brains of sparks to determine what makes them a spark? (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040107) and here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040319))

You do realize that with Othar its either that or execute him on the spot right? No seriously, are we talking about the same Othar?


Are we talking about the same guy who has tons of assassins attempting to depose him when he's injured (don't tell me all of those guys are in no way justified to want to remove him- I'm sure some of them have valid reasons not displayed in the comic). (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070611))

Uh yeah, actually, they make it quite clear that most of them are there to either avenge some mad sparks or to gain power.


The guy who would test his son in dangerous ways and (if we can believe the Jager in the beginning) would kill him if he failed to have enough potential? (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021216))

If we are to believe the Jager. If we are to believe what we see in the comic its quite the opposite. Gil love his father, he woudnt if that was anything remotely true.


Or how about the person who rounded up hundreds of people and pushed them into a giant death trap just for being rather questionable and obnoxious? (Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070824))

Hey, the people of Mechanisburg were really happy he did that.

All in all, you just cant change the fact that Klaus doesnt even enjoy his role as a tyrant and would want nothing more to retire but he doesnt and he did everything just to instore peace in Europe. The fact is that Klaus sacrificed himself for peace. For me, hes an Anti-villain (hes classified as such in Tvtropes and pretty much everywhere else) and the main reason he doesnt switch to anti-hero is because of some of his underlings (Dupree). Anyway, if you wanna discuss the matter further, we should start a thread about it instead of talking about it here.

late for dinner
2009-03-26, 11:38 AM
I am only going off of what I have seen/read/heard...so I am sure some of you might go really? I can think of so many better villians. So, Deal with it :smallbiggrin:

1)The Joker(Batman) He always has been my favorite

2) Dr. Doom (Fantastic 4 comic...not movie)

3) Satan (The Bible) He has come to kill, steal, and Destroy...I still like the joker better

4)The White Witch (The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe) See above

5)Dwight Schrute (The Office) Out only for himself trying to remove everyone who stands in his way....sounds like a villian to me.

6) Darth Maul (Star Wars) I like him so much better than Darth Vader

7) The Nazi Zombies (Call of Duty: World at War) If you have played it you will understand

8) That pink angel demon in Ninja Gaiden that you fight in the church (Ninja Gaiden) When I finaly beat her 3 days later, there was great rejoicing

9) Toad (X-men) Dont ask me why, but I have always been entertained by him.

10) Mike Tyson (Boxing) He said he would eat your children...I think that is villian enough

Tensu
2009-03-28, 01:53 AM
3) Satan (The Bible) He has come to kill, steal, and Destroy...I still like the joker better


Are... are you implying you like Satan?

or are you implying you're more afraid of/ angry with the Joker than Satan?

either way... :smalleek:

Hida Reju
2009-03-28, 05:01 AM
1. Alferd Bester - Babylon 5, only person to ever scare me sane and he never even has to raise his voice.
2. Mr. Mordred - Babylon 5, evil in a smiling package.
3. Megatron - Beast Wars, Yesssssssss
4. Lex Luthor - Who needs powers I have plans that trancend superheroes
5. Slade/Deathstoke - Another person that is just scary all of the time and also never has to raise his voice.
6. Dr. Hannibal Lecter - because being rude to him gets you eaten and talking to him can get you to swallow your tongue
6. The Joker - Just because he is evil
7. Balalaika - Black Lagoon, a very scary woman
8. Albert Wesker - This man just refuses to die and always makes you look like a fool.
9. Revolver Ocelot - Planning ahead of you by at least 2 generations.
10. Batman - because only a vilian keeps plans to kill all of his friends on file.

bladedSmoke
2009-03-28, 05:46 AM
1) Carcer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_characters#Carcer_Dun), Night Watch.

2) Ozymandias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias_(comics)#Ozymandias), Watchmen. He's just so... perfect, and yet so flawed. Not only that, but he succeeds in his catastrophic plan, making him almost unique on this list, apart from Bayaz (below).

3) Bayaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law), The First Law Trilogy. Starts out as a generic Wise Old Mentor... and then his agenda is slowly revealed. It's soon apparent that the horrific actions he's willing to take in the name of 'good' make him far more evil than any of those who started out as being the villains of the book. What's more, he's so good at scheming and manipulating, that in the end - he wins. Throw in a past full of horrible power-grabbing misdeeds and you have sheer win.

4) The Joker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pSDdcyKSY), The Dark Knight. What's so scary about this portrayal of the Joker is that his only aim is to cause chaos, and his constant lying about his past makes me think that he doesn't actually have an angsty backstory - he's this way simply because he chose to be.

5) Sosuke Aizen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCVzlGsZP4), Bleach. Not only is he so powerful he could tie Superman in a knot, Aizen is thoroughly evil, hell-bent on conquering Soul Society, and has manipulated everyone in sight with practiced ease. Bonus points because when he was first introduced, I thought to myself, "awww, what a nice guy!"

6) Saverok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kmmggc6jH8), Baldur's Gate. Maybe it's just me, but I actually think he's a better villain than Irenicus. Sure, his plans and motives are uncomplicated, but they make up for it by sheer scale. And great voice acting. And that opening scene. And most importantly, he gets added depth in Throne of Bhaal when he can join your party and even turn Good.

7) The Falconer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lies_of_Locke_Lamora), The Lies of Locke Lamora. The fact his magic gives him so much power over the protagonists, and his insufferable arrogance, made me hate him almost as much as I love some of the other villains on this list. When Locke finally succeeded in giving the bastard what for, I actually cheered out loud.

8) Sylar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C-mpRUWUM0), Heroes. The last thing which makes Heroes worth watching, he had an off-moment in Season 3 when he looked like defecting to the side of good, but soon recovered spectacularly. The people he kills are all so uniformly stupid, as everyone apart from he is in Heroes, that I like to call him 'Darwin's Fist.'

9) Professor Umbridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_yJdB2qhPk), Harry Potter. Sure, her plans lack the sheer scale of most others on this list, but she's just. So. Vile.

10) Saruman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saruman), The Lord of the Rings. I don't care what you say - he's infinitely more interesting than Sauron, serves as the books' true 'final boss,' and gets a great Karmic Death to boot.

bladedSmoke
2009-03-28, 05:47 AM
1) Carcer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_characters#Carcer_Dun), Night Watch. Somethign about Carcer struck a real chord with me. Perhaps it was his permanent cheerfulness, or his gleeful sadism, or the human ear in his pocket, but he really made my flesh crawl.

2) Ozymandias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias_(comics)#Ozymandias), Watchmen. He's just so... perfect, and yet so flawed. Not only that, but he succeeds in his catastrophic plan, making him almost unique on this list, apart from Bayaz (below).

3) Bayaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law), The First Law Trilogy. Starts out as a generic Wise Old Mentor... and then his agenda is slowly revealed. It's soon apparent that the horrific actions he's willing to take in the name of 'good' make him far more evil than any of those who started out as being the villains of the book. What's more, he's so good at scheming and manipulating, that in the end - he wins. Throw in a past full of horrible power-grabbing misdeeds and you have sheer win.

4) The Joker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pSDdcyKSY), The Dark Knight. What's so scary about this portrayal of the Joker is that his only aim is to cause chaos, and his constant lying about his past makes me think that he doesn't actually have an angsty backstory - he's this way simply because he chose to be.

5) Sosuke Aizen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCVzlGsZP4), Bleach. Not only is he so powerful he could tie Superman in a knot, Aizen is thoroughly evil, hell-bent on conquering Soul Society, and has manipulated everyone in sight with practiced ease. Bonus points because when he was first introduced, I thought to myself, "awww, what a nice guy!"

6) Saverok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kmmggc6jH8), Baldur's Gate. Maybe it's just me, but I actually think he's a better villain than Irenicus. Sure, his plans and motives are uncomplicated, but they make up for it by sheer scale. And great voice acting. And that opening scene. And most importantly, he gets added depth in Throne of Bhaal when he can join your party and even turn Good.

7) The Falconer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lies_of_Locke_Lamora), The Lies of Locke Lamora. The fact his magic gives him so much power over the protagonists, and his insufferable arrogance, made me hate him almost as much as I love some of the other villains on this list. When Locke finally succeeded in giving the bastard what for, I actually cheered out loud.

8) Sylar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C-mpRUWUM0), Heroes. The last thing which makes Heroes worth watching, he had an off-moment in Season 3 when he looked like defecting to the side of good, but soon recovered spectacularly. The people he kills are all so uniformly stupid, as everyone apart from he is in Heroes, that I like to call him 'Darwin's Fist.'

9) Professor Umbridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_yJdB2qhPk), Harry Potter. Sure, her plans lack the sheer scale of most others on this list, but she's just. So. Vile.

10) Saruman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saruman), The Lord of the Rings. I don't care what you say - he's infinitely more interesting than Sauron, serves as the books' true 'final boss,' and gets a great Karmic Death to boot.

sun_tzu
2009-03-28, 06:24 AM
10. Batman - because only a vilian keeps plans to kill all of his friends on file.

Yeah, good thing no-one had a plan to kill Hal Jordan.:smalltongue:

Querzis
2009-03-28, 10:25 AM
4) The Joker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pSDdcyKSY), The Dark Knight. What's so scary about this portrayal of the Joker is that his only aim is to cause chaos, and his constant lying about his past makes me think that he doesn't actually have an angsty backstory - he's this way simply because he chose to be.

...how is that different from his normal portrayal in the DC universe? The only difference I saw between Heath Ledger Joker and the original one is that Heath was a lot more grim and maybe the fact that Heath goal was causing chaos while the DC universe Joker doesnt usually have any real goal but end up causing lots of chaos as a hobby. Thats not a bad thing though since if he would have no real goal like the original Joker, he would have spent half of the movie doing something totally unrelated like charming his psychiatrist and making her go insane.

The Joker has at least a dozen backstory in the DC universe ranging from angsty to hilarious and, as they say in the Killing Joke, there is probably not a single one of them thats actually true.

Tensu
2009-03-28, 01:44 PM
I'm a little disappointed nobody has been agreeing with most of mine. that's what I get for picking them from obscure PS1-N64 era rpgs I guess... I probably should have spread my choice out further, but BoF3 and OB64 just had so many excellent sympathetic villains...

bladedSmoke
2009-03-28, 04:46 PM
...how is that different from his normal portrayal in the DC universe? The only difference I saw between Heath Ledger Joker and the original one is that Heath was a lot more grim and maybe the fact that Heath goal was causing chaos while the DC universe Joker doesnt usually have any real goal but end up causing lots of chaos as a hobby. Thats not a bad thing though since if he would have no real goal like the original Joker, he would have spent half of the movie doing something totally unrelated like charming his psychiatrist and making her go insane.

The Joker has at least a dozen backstory in the DC universe ranging from angsty to hilarious and, as they say in the Killing Joke, there is probably not a single one of them thats actually true.

The original Joker fell accidentally into a tub of stuff which made him perma-white.

Dark Knight's joker put the make-up on. He chose to be this way.

Dienekes
2009-03-28, 05:14 PM
Read more Joker comics.

Yeah he fell in the vat, but Ledger got his face slit. We do not know how or why.

But Joker in the comics, when he does go back to being normal chooses to become Joker again through self mutilation.

And Tensu, yeah. I haven't played Ogre Battle 64, but a lot of what you have I cannot agree with. Midna? Is that a joke? Even claiming she's a villain she should hardly make the list.

And you put Zant before Ganondorf which is just wrong. The guy's helmet is a chicken.

Tensu
2009-03-28, 05:49 PM
Midna doomed an entire race to eternal imprsionment, not just any race either, her own race, and got off scot-free. what's worse, she got descendents of the two heroic lines of hyrule to help her.

no other villain can make the same claim, to have betrayed their own people with the help of legendary heros, and get away with it.

the reason Zant comes before Gannondorf is because Watching Zant lose his cool was just such a great moment for me. I really liked everything about him, his imagery, his over-the-top movements, his story, I don't know why you think his helmet looked like a chicken... and even if it was, I can see why. The Cucco is one of the most fearsome beasts in all of Hyrule, few things can injure one.:smallbiggrin:. Gannondorf recieved some long-overdue character development at the end of Wind Waker... You know, I'm not sure which was the bigger surprise, Zant's complete loss of his freaking mind after being so calm and collected all this time, or Gannondorf's revelation that while it was about him, it wasn't just about him... I may have to re-do my list.

But in terms of villains, Breath of fire III and Ogre battle 64 where so chock-full of great ones... I wish I had room for the old man in mount Zubleo (his story may be more tragic than even Teepo or Yumil's, though in a more humerous way) or that one demon from Ogre battle (if you've played, you know the one.)

but as far as best villain death, Sir Baldwin takes the cake. Maybe he sould be called Sir Baldfail.:smallbiggrin:

The calvary fight with king Bulbin was also great...

who else should I mention?

Wow. most of the other games I've played didn't really have any villains worth mentioning...

Eldariel
2009-03-28, 06:08 PM
Gonna be hard to mix literature, movies, animation, games and all the other mediums due to the different ways they convey characters, but I'm still going to give this a shot.

#10: Nicol Bolas [Magic: The Gathering]: About time he made a comeback, but what I really love is his original appearance. Of course, Yawgmoth gives him a run for his money, but I think he's a bit too direct - the subtle, millenia-spanning plans of Nicol are truly poetry.
#9: Vega/M. Bison (to the americans) - the Dictator [Street Fighter - specifically 2]: He's really...respectable as far as villains go, and very much a "worthy opponent" as much as an "insane dictator" still maintaining the lifespanning plans and everything that makes for great villains.
#8: Ganondorf [Legend of Zelda - specifically Wind Waker]: Just the "ultimate evil", really. All the traits I'd associate with "evil" are all over him. And yet, he's still a...human.
#7: Darth Vader [Star Wars: Original Trilogy]: I needn't explain this.
#6: "Cancer Man" [The X-Files]: Well, there's a ton of characters and sides that are unclear in X-Files, but I'm just going to condense the "evil" in the show to this character. Whether he's evil or not, well, I'm not one to decide that. He's a villain for sure.
#5: The Joker [The Comics, Dark Knight - take your pick]: Pure, uncontrolled insanity combined with just about the most farsighted plans I've ever seen out of a villain. By far the best of the Batman villains.
#4: Dr. Moriatry [Sherlock Holmes-novels]: Just the whole speculation that Sherlock Holmes is actually Moriatry is really intriguing. And of course, all the plans and pawns he uses - the perfect Chessmaster.
#3: Kane [Command & Conquer]: Yeah. Screws with an entire world without any special powers and gets away with it. Enough said.
#2: Kefka [Final Fantasy VI]: I suppose the "cunning and insane" hits me in the right spot, but Kefka just kicks ass.
#1: Hannibal Lecter [Well...Hannibal Lecter-movies]: No contest really. Just everything about him is so sinister, vile, while still maintaining a "respectable" outlook and just being so...cunning, while insane.


Of course, that list is in no ways final and if you asked me to write a new one now, it would probably be different. Indeed, like the Aether, opinions are fickle and ever-changing. Nailing down the one perfect list seems like an impossibility to me, especially as the qualities we're looking for are limited to "villain", a broad definition to say the least. Regardless, under that banner, the one thing I would not change is Dr. Lecter's place on the top of the list.

Querzis
2009-03-28, 09:23 PM
The original Joker fell accidentally into a tub of stuff which made him perma-white.

Dark Knight's joker put the make-up on. He chose to be this way.

Yeah so as Dienekes said you really need to read more Joker story, he doesnt even fall in the tub in all his backstory, just in three out of a few dozens (though the story with Red hood where he does fall in the tub of acid is probably the most well-known and most developped one so I can understand why you would think that).

Beside, in one story, the Joker is shot in the back of the head by a policeman. Sure, lots of time he should have died but this time we REALLY saw him dead...and he still come back. We see a man starting to laugh like a maniac in an alley and then the Joker came out. Sure you could say he somehow faked his death and then just killed the guy with his laughing gaz but there is lots of clue in many comics that the Joker might not even be really human. He could very well be an avatar of chaos.

Scylfing
2009-03-28, 10:54 PM
7) Michael Corleone (Godfather part II)

Yay, another person who recognizes Michael was the villain (not anti-hero but villain) despite also being the protagonist.

My list would have to include the following:

-Satan, I don't think I need an explanation here, but the Great Enemy, appears in many sources (I'm including Melkor-Morgoth in with him for simplicity's sake);
-Michael Corleone, Godfather Saga: for the reason stated above;
-Captain Ahab Moby D1ck*, same reason as Michael, except Melville thought of it earlier than Puzo. "From Hell's heart I stab at thee! For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee!" Classic;
-Khan Noonien Singh, Star Trek TOS & Wrath of Khan: this is why the Overman/World-Historical Individual must be a villain;
-The Grand Inquisitor, The Brothers Karamazov: the closest on this list to an actual historical person, and definitely one of the worst;
-Id, Xenogears: I don't even know how to touch this without huge spoilers (I'll just say this: same reason as Michael and Ahab), but basically the psychological embodiment of human destructiveness;
-Macbeth: are you sensing a pattern here? :smallwink: Tragic villain as protagonist (not the same thing as tragic hero, at least to me) is such a fascinating concept;
-Edmund Dantes, The Count of Monte Cristo: yet another brilliant example of this;
-Ra's al-Ghul, Batman Begins: practically defines the well-intentioned villain and the manipulative bastard, and serves as the example of what Batman would become if he broke his code;
-Eric Cartman, South Park: possibly the most evil being in existence.

* Okay seriously, I can't say "Moby ****" on this forum? What the hell? That's almost criminal.

The Blackbird
2009-03-28, 10:59 PM
Yay, another person who recognizes Michael was the villain (not anti-hero but villain) despite also being the protagonist.

My list would have to include the following:

-Satan, I don't think I need an explanation here, but the Great Enemy, appears in many sources (I'm including Melkor-Morgoth in with him for simplicity's sake);
-Michael Corleone, Godfather Saga: for the reason stated above;
-Captain Ahab Moby D1ck*, same reason as Michael, except Melville thought of it earlier than Puzo. "From Hell's heart I stab at thee! For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee!" Classic;
-Khan Nguyen Singh, Star Trek TOS & Wrath of Khan: this is why the Overman/World-Historical Individual must be a villain;
-The Grand Inquisitor, The Brothers Karamazov: the closest on this list to an actual historical person;
-Id, Xenogears: I don't even know how to touch this without huge spoilers (I'll just say this: same reason as Michael and Ahab), but basically the psychological embodiment of human destructiveness;
-Macbeth: are you sensing a pattern here? :smallwink: Tragic villain as protagonist (not the same thing as tragic hero, at least to me) is such a fascinating concept;
-Edmund Dantes, The Count of Monte Cristo: yet another brilliant example of this;
-Ra's al-Ghul, Batman Begins: practically defines the well-intentioned villain and the manipulative bastard, and serves as the example of what Batman would become if he broke his code;
-Eric Cartman, South Park: possibly the most evil being in existence.

* Okay seriously, I can't say "Moby ****" on this forum? What the hell? That's almost criminal.

KAHN!!!!!
Sorry could not resist:smallamused:
I like how you have Cartman in here (In fact he's in a couple) I'm assuming that his villiany is from the "Scott Tenorman must die" episode.
Nah nah nah nah nah nahhhh I made you eat your parents!
I think thats what the episode was called right?

Scylfing
2009-03-28, 11:20 PM
KAHN!!!!!
Sorry could not resist:smallamused:
I like how you have Cartman in here (In fact he's in a couple) I'm assuming that his villiany is from the "Scott Truman must die" episode.
Nah nah nah nah nah nahhhh I made you eat your parents!
I think thats what the episode was called right?

"Scott Tenorman Must Die," yeah. And that's part of it, but there's also the Woodland Critters--dear God in heaven the Woodland Critters! :smalleek:

Cartman has one or two moments of heroism like with "Die Hippies Die" or "Go God Go I and XII" but even then it's always for evil, petty and/or selfish reasons.

bladedSmoke
2009-03-29, 07:10 AM
Read more Joker comics.

Yeah he fell in the vat, but Ledger got his face slit. We do not know how or why.

But Joker in the comics, when he does go back to being normal chooses to become Joker again through self mutilation.


Hmmm... Okay then, instead I'll say that I chose Joker from The Dark Knight over comic-book Joker because, as you've pointed out, I don't read many comic books and know almost nothing about the original.

EDIT: Holy crap, I'm an Orc. :smallsmile:

Silver2195
2009-03-29, 12:47 PM
How come no one's mentioned Azula yet? What she does in the second season finale is awesome.

With regard to Comics Joker, while the "tub of bleach" story may have been retconned away, it still makes him seem silly.

Querzis
2009-03-29, 02:04 PM
With regard to Comics Joker, while the "tub of bleach" story may have been retconned away, it still makes him seem silly.

No Joker backstory have been retconned, thats the whole point. Considering the nature of the Joker, they might all be false and they might even all be true. Just read the Joker entry in Multiple choice past (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MultipleChoicePast).

Congrats Zaraki :smallsmile:

The Vorpal Tribble
2009-03-29, 02:11 PM
8) Sylar, Heroes. The last thing which makes Heroes worth watching, he had an off-moment in Season 3 when he looked like defecting to the side of good, but soon recovered spectacularly. The people he kills are all so uniformly stupid, as everyone apart from he is in Heroes, that I like to call him 'Darwin's Fist.'
HA! So true. Then again, if most people did get powers they probably would be just as stupid.

Was waiting for someone to bring him up. He deserves to be up there.

Athaniar
2009-03-30, 04:40 AM
-Khan Nguyen Singh, Star Trek TOS & Wrath of Khan: this is why the Overman/World-Historical Individual must be a villain;

FYI, it's Noonien, not Nguyen. Just thought I'd mention it.

mcv
2009-03-30, 05:32 AM
Maul's villianess, came from him being totally badass, but other than that he really did not do anything.

He's not a villain, he's a henchman. An important badass henchman, but if he doesn't do any plotting or scheming himself, he's not a villain. Darth Vader is different, he leads fleets, wages wars, destroys planets, tortures princesses, and executes admirals and other high officials for trivial reasons.

GoC
2009-03-30, 07:40 AM
In no particular order:

The Joker (The Dark knight) Insane.:smallbiggrin:
Screwtape (The Screwtape Letters) Very evil and cunning.
Syndrome (The Incredibles) Rather unique character and mannerisms.
Deathstroke (DC Comics) Cooooool. Hindered mostly by author fiat and "status quo is god".
Lionel Luther (Smallville) Evil.
Xykon (Order of the Stick) Badass. Really badass.
Daos (Tales of Phantasia) Good motivation.
Magneto (Marvel Comics) Also good motivation. And cool.
Redcloak (Order of the Stick) Noticing a pattern here?

Callos_DeTerran
2009-03-30, 12:45 PM
Hrm...

In no particular order at all...

Andrew Ryan: "I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well. " And of course... "A man chooses and a slave obeys!" from the very beginning of that game, even if I had been given rather obvious hints that Atlas wasn't who he said he was and was in fact Fontaine, I couldn't help but consider Andrew Ryan to be the true villian and the true mastermind of that game. As another character put it, not in verbatim, 'in the end, Fontaine is no different then your average con-man'.

The Major: "I am cursed to be a man but look like a monster while he can masquerade as man despite his true nature." "Gentleman, I love war." Bringing to doubt what makes a man and what makes a monster, this fat little colonel almost succeeded where almost every vampire and monster hunter in the Hellsing series failed and that was to bring down the mighty Alucard. A villain who actually pulled unexpected moves in his scheme and with an undeniable style to everything he did. Even when he began to lose he didn't lose his cool.

Pein: "I can see peace." Sure, he's a shonen antagonist so that means he hasn't been fleshed out completely but somewhere between leading a band of 10 of the Narutoverse's most powerful criminals to single-handly destroying Konoha when the supposed 'man behind the man' Madara claimed all of Akatsuki would be unable to do it the ginger-head won me over. Even despite the Moral Event Horizon that people claim he's crossed, he's proven...well...effective. It's not just overwhelming power, it's overwhelming power with a canny mind controlling said power to devastating effect. He's also one of the few villains I've seen willing to shorten his own life-span just to accomplish his goals.

Gantz: "Your lives have ended. What you do with your new lives is entirely up to me. That's the theory, anyway." You could argue that the various Gantzs simply know something that everyone else doesn't, but you really can't deny that each Gantz shown so far is a major ******** bordering on Apathetic Evil Mastermind. That's how it looks to me anyway, why else send people to die on these insane missions that, most of the time, don't really seem necessary?

Albert Wesker: "I'll give you seven minutes of my precious time." Never played any other Resident Evil games, so when I saw the flashback where Chris and Jill try to fight Wesker only for him to teleport away from bullets and beat the ever loving crap out of the two of them my first thought was 'I can't fight a friggin JEDI!'. It only got worse from there with the man's sheer resilience to laying down and dying. He made quite the horrible (in a good way) impression on me and I took ever so much joy when I supposedly killed him.

Zechs Marquis: "Now we have to prepare for the most dangerous and annoying enemy of them all..." Sure he's a Char-expy but that doesn't change the fact that I like Zechs and the Epyon more then Char and practically anything he has ever piloted. He even seems to have a measure of genre-savvy since he recognizes the massive fleet coming up against him isn't nearly the threat that the five Gundams hold for him. Plus I find his aim much more sympathetic then Heero's but to be fair Heero didn't really have an aim besides stopping Zechs. Plus Zech's return in Endless Waltz was epic.

Repo Man: "Out from the night, from the mist, steps a figure.
No one really knows his name for sure.
He stands at six-foot-six, head and shoulders.
Pray he never comes knocking at your door!
Say that you once bought a heart, or new corneas,
But somehow never managed to square away your debt.
He won’t bother to write or to phone you.

HE’LL JUST RIP THE STILL-BEATING HEART FROM YOUR CHEST!!!”

It takes some effort to sing jaunty tunes while eviscerating one and not seem like a total and possibly fairy-like nutjob. The Repo-man manages not only to do this, but to seem like a complete and utter badass at the same time with an awesome mask. Some call him morally grey but in that craptastic world he lives in he is definitely someone to be considered a villain to average folks. And probably to his daughter too.

Shar (Dragonmech campaign setting): An amazing and terrifying testament to the potential often credited to humans in multi-species fantasy settings, this is a man who went from being a shepherd and leading just a mob of regular peasants to victory against a lunar dragon (that usually require mecha to defeat) to being the most feared living man on the entire continent for his expansionist vision and ruthless drive. In any other setting he'd likely have just been a regular warlord but in Dragonmech he's much more from building two city-mechs (the second showing significant improvement over the first, a harrowing trend if it continues), with five more on the way, to comissioning what is quite possibly the only steam-powered weapon of mass destruction, the City-Killer steam cannon. Other races fear him because he holds a grudge for them abandoning humans during the Years of Raining Blood and humans fear his militaristic regime. If Shar isn't a villian in your Dragonmech campaign, you need to rethink your character's morals.

Demogorgon: "Your suffering will be a masterpiece that torturers for centuries will study and try to replicate, bringing fear to all those who would be like you!" When the prime opponent to a Demon Prince is himself and not the myraid of beings who would revel at the chance to kill him, you have to truly wonder just how terrifyingly strong Demogorgon is. Well here's an example, he's so evil he survived abortion and I'm not joking about that. The self proclaimed Prince of Demons is nigh unstoppable in personal combat and his armies rival and surpass those of his competitors in the Abyss nine out of ten times. Never paid much attention to the dual-headed Sibilant Beast until I read the Savage Tide adventure path and his Demonomicon article. When the normally fearless kender, and abnormally fearless Tasslehoff, gaze upon someone and know true fear for the first time from just a glimpse, you know your screwed.

There's my Nefarious Nine, the last spot is reserved. :smallbiggrin:

The Blackbird
2009-03-30, 05:27 PM
In no particular order:

The Joker (The Dark knight) Insane.:smallbiggrin:
Screwtape (The Screwtape Letters) Very evil and cunning.
Syndrome (The Incredibles) Rather unique character and mannerisms.
Deathstroke (DC Comics) Cooooool. Hindered mostly by author fiat and "status quo is god".
Lionel Luther (Smallville) Evil.
Xykon (Order of the Stick) Badass. Really badass.
Daos (Tales of Phantasia) Good motivation.
Magneto (Marvel Comics) Also good motivation. And cool.
Redcloak (Order of the Stick) Noticing a pattern here?

I like this list:smallamused:, makes me reconsider if I should replace Alec from 007 Goldeneye with Lionel Luthor

UltraDude
2009-03-31, 04:38 PM
Khaldris from the Lukien Trilogy: Despite being a severely weakened spirit tied to the suit of armor he made long ago for millenia - as well as spending the whole trilogy there - he manages to be the main villain through proxy by emotionally manipulating a good but misguided old man. Constantly pushing him to fulfill his basest desires in order to keep control. And becoming such a villain all because he wasn't allowed to protect his people in ancient times because of his methods, thus driving him to a hatred of both his own people and the invaders - who, by the way, are still his ultimate goal to destroy after all this time.

Beatrice from Wild ARMs 3: So you fight a trio of loserish villains, obviously working for someone else, and you meet those guys. Another trio behind the losers, a generally menacing bunch consisting of two crazy geniuses, Melody and Malik, and Leehalt, the leader with a purpose focusing their genius on his own goals. Turns out, they're all working for the ancient Metal Demon, Zeikfreid, this whole time, and they eventually summon him to command directly. Still, you manage to take every single one of these guys down, and all seems right with the world.

Then you realize it's not over. Nope. This whole thing you've gone through, which has been in the making for decades through the various humans and demons involved? It's all Beatrice, the Dream Demon, who has been subtly influencing all the major players in all of these events through their dreams and desires the whole time, even her fellow demon, all because she's sick of living in a dream dimension with nothing around her. Now she's going to drag the whole planet kicking and screaming into her dimension, turn it into a demon planet, and have somewhere to live, humans be damned.

Also, freaking awesome battle appearance, awesome looking special attack, and awesome battle theme.

Rau le Creuset from Gundam SEED: Feels a little odd to put Gundam SEED somewhere involving favorite things, at least for me... but Rau was part of what was good in SEED. Of course, he's a Char; blond, mysterious, wears a mask, mysterious relation to another character. Typical. Calm, collected soldier, famous, respected and feared by his allies... ace pilot... yep.

The difference? He's actually quite totally insane under all of that. Turns out the standard Char-type personality is just a cover for him. He's the product of an arrogant idiot's cloning project, and after seeing what all this playing God has done for the state of affairs in the world - Coordinators and cloning and all that, he's decided that humanity has gone too far, and it's time to end it. So, he supports the GENESIS Project, the plan Coordinators have to kill the Naturals, protects it... and if GENESIS and Rau had survived the final battle, would have hijacked it to kill everyone else alive. Probably one of the better planners in Gundam.

David Xanatos from Gargoyles: ...I'm not spending paragraphs on something you should already know.

same for Admiral Thrawn from the Star Wars EU.

May add more later.

Aotrs Commander
2009-04-01, 07:45 AM
I must say I'm gratified to see so many of my own favourites in the lists.

My own list comprises the following. You will no doubt note a tendancy towards intelligent, witty (or at least charismatic) and generally unrepentently, cheerfully evil villains. Evil by choice is so much better than evil by circumstance.

1) Witch-King of Angmar (LotR). Hands down, the BEST evil lines EVER. (See Battle of Pellanor Fields with regard to his words to Gandalf and Eowen.)

2) Grand Admiral Thrawn (SW). Because he's just superb, so superb he warrents and entry all his own above and beyond the rest of the New Order.

3) Starscream. The comic version (also Transformers Animated version) where he was not a whinging incompetant but smart, witty and dangerous to the point Autobot and Decepticon alike actually feared him.

4) Palpatine (SW). Hell yes, says the Imperial loyalist. And by extension, the rest of the Galactic Empire.

5) Kane and KABAL (C&C). They were arguably sort of fractions of the same whatever-the-hell Kane is, so I'll put them together. And they were awesome.

6) Xykon (Oots). A Lich after my own (collection of disembodied) heart(s). Funny and yet awesomely evil.

7) The Daleks (Doctor Who). Not only are they also unrepentantly evil, they get points for being an incredibly rare convincing non-humanoid. They are both hard-scary and creepy-scary at the same time, something few other manage.

8) Bester (Babylon 5). Perhaps a touch more - or actually at all - sympathetic than the rest on my list, but Walter Koenig did such a superb job making you love to hate him, I can't deny him a place. (Normally I just hate those sort of characters.)

9) Azula (Avatar). I found her utterly unsympathetic in any way and completely evil. I didn't ever find myself rooting for her, mainly because (unlike several of the cases above) I liked the people she was Evilling on.

10) And last, but by no means least (and finally some one not previosuly mentioned, I think), Commander Makara and Captain Orion1 (Star Fleet (Star Fleet X-Bomber to the US)). They might have been utterly incompetant 99% of the time, but it was so frag-damn funny and occasionaly creepy at the same time. For those of you unfamiliar (many of you, I suspect, he's a video of them in ahem, action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sNQ2ut1jcY&feature=related)...

(The website for the series, for those of you interested is http://www.sfxb.co.uk/. I mention this because Star Fleet is so cakking awesome it deserves a higher profile, especially as the DVD are finally out after only a twenty year wait!)



Mentions:

Sephiroth (FF7), while popular, I think is a touch over-hyped. He was a pretty good bad guy, to be fair, but I think his villainy was overshadowed by his (in popular perception) uber-cool-leet-ness.

Kefka (FF6) He manged, despite - or perhaps because - being a painted loon to be quite credible. Plus, credit for his distinctive laugh despite being on a primative medium.

Orochimaru (Naruto). To start with, I didn't much like Roachymoron. And then I started to learn about what the other villains of Naruto were like and Rochy suddenly seems so much better in comparision. He actually has a sense of humour - of sorts - for one...(Though as and when I see Madara Uchiha for myself, I reserve him a possible spot...)

Pain (Naruto). Lame, brimming over with lamingness. He's not a villain, he's a pillocky, ******* DMPC of the worst magnitude. Heck, he''s worse than Sasuke and that takes some doing.

Magneto (X-Men). Even despite quite stirling performaces in animation and live-action, he's still too hung up on himself. Dude, stop trying to rationaise, it, you ARE evil (except the occasion when he was actually part of the X-Men); stop trying to say you aren't and just roll with it. You'll be totally more awesome.

The Borg (Star Trek) they were actually scarier before the Borg Queen. I think that giving them a human face was actually far less worrysome than them being more alien.

Richard (Looking For Group) I'm not sure, as one of the party, he really counts as a villain, per se, but he's certainly awesome. (Anyone who hasn't seen Slaughter the World (http://www.lfgcomic.com/video.php) needs to go and do so now. Seriously.)



1That's Or-ee-on, not O-rion, by the way.

Athaniar
2009-04-01, 12:45 PM
Lord Xavius's Second Attempt to Create a List of His (Now 5) Favorite Villains and Order Them, Because He Wasn't Quite Satisfied With the First One, Plus, This One Has Quotes:

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/GitPLordXavius/Joker.png
1. The Joker - The Dark Knight
"Why so serious?"
Without a doubt the best villain I've ever seen. A magnificent performance, and theyou could practically feel the sheer evil radiating from the character.

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/GitPLordXavius/Palpatine.png
2. Palpatine - Star Wars
"Good. I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"
Palpatine represents the ultimate scheming mastermind, a ruthless, irredeemable manipulator, the quintessential dark lord. He controlled both sides of a war that led to the destuction of the Jedi order, and from the remains he forged a galaxy-spanning Empire.

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/GitPLordXavius/LichKing.png
3. The Lich King - Warcraft
"You speak of justice? Of cowardice? I will show you the justice of the grave... and the true meaning of fear."
Darion Mograine put it best when he said "You are dealing with a being that holds within it the consciousness of the most cunning, intelligent, and ruthless individuals to ever live." The Lich King is truly a fearsome individual (if that word can be applied), holding godlike powers and commanding vast armies of undead.

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/GitPLordXavius/Thrawn.png
4. Thrawn - Star Wars
"History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all."
So sympathetic it is doubtful that "villain" really applies, Mitth'raw'nuruodo is nevertheless one of fiction's greatest tacticians, a genius capable of using art to determine the weaknesses and strengths of the artist(s). Villain or hero? A little bit of both, I think.

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/GitPLordXavius/Xykon.png
5. Xykon - Order of the Stick
”It’s not just about raw power, it’s also about how far you’re willing to debase yourself before feeling bad. And me? I ripped off my own living flesh so that I wouldn’t have to admit weakness. You’re strictly little league compared to that.”
At first glance, Xykon appears as a comedic villain, a parody of a dark lord. But if you look beneath the surface (by which I mean, “read Start of Darkness”), you’ll discover the true extent of his evil, the true malevolence that he really is beneath his humorous surface.

The Blackbird
2009-04-01, 06:07 PM
5. Xykon - Order of the Stick
”It’s not just about raw power, it’s also about how far you’re willing to debase yourself before feeling bad. And me? I ripped off my own living flesh so that I wouldn’t have to admit weakness. You’re strictly little league compared to that.”
At first glance, Xykon appears as a comedic villain, a parody of a dark lord. But if you look beneath the surface (by which I mean, “read Start of Darkness”), you’ll discover the true extent of his evil, the true malevolence that he really is beneath his humorous surface.

You should spoiler that, I think I might edit about spoilering stuff on the first post.
That is Xykon's greatest speech ever. Though my own personal favorite is (SoD spoiler)
"Because yes, I am a sorceror-and magic is in my bones, not cribbed off of "Magic for Dummies". And I can keep casting the same friggin' spell at you until you roll over and die. You can have your finely-crafted watch-give me the sledgehammer to the face any day. ENERGY DRAIN!

I was going to write out the whole thing, but it would take too long.

Yana
2009-04-01, 08:07 PM
1. Iago -Othello
The original Magnificent Bastard. The template for all jerks who try to backstab anyone and everyone for no concrete reason. Iago is my favorite character in any play/musical/book/movie/cartoon/show, period. That said, the two that follow are easily just as good and are interchangeable in my mind.

2. Grand Admiral Thrawn -Star Wars: Heir to the Empire Trilogy
Easily the greatest strategist that ever existed in the Star Wars Universe. This man could face even Palpatine's wrath over the lives of the men at his command. The confidence that inspired in his men as well as the care he showed for them.

3. The Master - Doctor Who
The modern(ish) day version of Iago. One of the few characters in the series that can actually match/surpass the Doctor intellectually. That and he just looks so darn awesome too.

4. Daleks -Doctor Who
EXTERMINATE!

5. Bad Horse -Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog
The leader of the Evil League of Evil. The Thoroughbred of Sin. Has a terrible death whinny. And is an actual horse. How cool is that?

Athaniar
2009-04-02, 02:54 AM
You should spoiler that, I think I might edit about spoilering stuff on the first post.

Why? The quote makes no sense anyway if you haven't actually read the book.

The Blackbird
2009-04-14, 09:35 PM
Meh, I suppose, but I know that it's the quotes like that, that make the story so good. just don't want to ruin that part for anyone, my hands were shaking when reading that ending speech.

Oh yeah, I bumped the thread.:smallcool:

Linkavitch
2009-04-15, 10:56 AM
1. The Joker (Heath Ledger, Dark Knight)
2. Darth Vader (Star Wars, obviously)
3. Xykon (OotS, just too funny not to make the list.)
4. Sauron (LotR)
5. Dok Ock (Spider-man)
6. Venom (Spider-man [in general, not just the comic or just the movie])
7. Locutus/ Shinzon (Star Trek)
8. The six-fingered man. (Princess Bride)
9. Davey Jones (Pirates of the Caribbean)
10. Barry Manilow. (Real life)

Szilard
2009-04-15, 01:13 PM
The villain that always pops into my head first is Darth Vader, even though Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine and Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo are obvioulsy eviler in the Star Wars universe.

In Doctor Who (Forgive me, I have only seen the revived series), I'd say Davros, because he can do what the Master did (maybe more), even though he is a cripple. That is awesome. But the Master has a cool name, so I'll give him that.

Xykon is obvious if you've read SoD.

There are a lot of great villians in most of the book series on my my bookshelf. This includes Lord Voldemort, Sauron, Saint Dane, Moriarty, people like that. Some villains are so great, I don't even know who it is.:smalltongue: For example, in The Count of Monte Cristo, I had no idea who the actual villain was.

Also, Heath Ledger's Joker was awesome.

Telonius
2009-04-15, 01:36 PM
I've made several similar lists, but here are my top-tier villains, in no particular order.

Darth Vader, Star Wars
The Joker, various Batman storylines
Maleficent, Sleeping Beauty
David Xanatos, Gargoyles
Commodus, Gladiator
Lex Luthor, various Superman storylines
Morgoth, The Silmarillion
Simon Gruber, Die Hard with a Vengeance
R. F., various Stephen King novels
Xykon, Order of the Stick

Dishonorable Mention for some anti-heroes, antagonists (but not quite villains), borderliners, and awesome-but-not-quite-powerful-enough baddies:
Q, Star Trek
Ozymandias, Watchmen
Feanor, The Silmarillion
Ras al-Ghul, Batman storylines
King Haggard, The Last Unicorn
Apropos, Sir Apropos of Nothing
Prof. Moriarty, Sherlock Holmes
Hannibal Lecter, The Silence of the Lambs

_Zoot_
2009-04-18, 11:29 PM
1. Me. (Just wate, i'll show you all, soon)
2. Sauron
3.Xykon


And there are many others.....

Falconer
2009-04-19, 12:24 AM
1. The Emperor (Star Wars)

2. The Joker (The Dark Knight)

3. Darth Vader (Star Wars)

4. Reynald de Chatillion (Kingdom of Heaven)

5. Scar (The Lion King)

6. Tzekel-Kan (The Road to El Dorado)

7. Redcloak (OotS)

8. Xykon (OotS)

9. Yuri Orlov (Lord of War)

10. Richard III (Richard III)

Krazddndfreek
2009-05-02, 06:00 PM
Krazddndfreek's Top Ten Villains (with quotes; pics might come later)

1-Joker (The Dark Knight)
"aha aha haa haa haa heee hee hee hoo hoo aha. And i thought my jokes were bad."
I wanted to say something a little less cliche, but what can I say? Heath Ledger played the best villain I have
seen in my life and I have yet to see someone do it better. And man was it hard to find a perfect quote because they were all so good I wanted to put all of his dialogue here

2-Steve "Leopard" Leonard (Cirque du Freak)
"Here's where you end, Darren Shan. This is your grand finale. Have you made your peace with the vampire gods?"
Now, had the Joker not been played by Heath Ledger this guy would have won by a landslide, he is far more devious
and has a worse ruthless killing streak as well as vampiric powers to boot, not to mention the hordes of others who
answer to him.

3-Azula (Avatar)
"My own mother called me a monster."
This one just seemed like she lived to see others suffer. She was even willing to go off and kill her brother (though she never did).
The only one person she seemed to have an inkling of respect for was her father.

4-Sylar (Heroes)
"You're just small game."
In the beginning, the tortured villain. Sylar was very conflicted and grey in the beginning which is what intrigued me to
watch heroes in the first place. He is very close to the first three because of his cunning and ruthlessness, but I
put him a little lower on the scale because has always several steps ahead of everyone else recently, not to
mention the immense power advantage he has everyone else. But his early naivety changing to a cold, numb, and
cunning killer was definitely a plus for him.

5-William Cutting "Bill the Butcher" (Gangs of New York)
"If only I had the guns mister Tweed I'd shoot each and every one of them before they set foot on American soil."
This man exhibits most of the earlier qualities all though due to the educational system of the time, he was naturally not as smart as the others but still was nearly ruthless as the Joker (The Dark Knight).

6-Desmond Tiny "Des Tiny" (Cirque du Freak)
"It's bull, all of it! You're not my father! You're a monster!"
"And so are you," Mr Tiny beamed. "Or soon will be. But don't worry, son — monsters have all the fun!"
Although Steve is a much more rich character in Cirque du freak, he was not the master mind with the plan. Mr. Tiny is really the one who pulls the strings behind everything in the series, and I mean everything. He is truly a schemer and causes chaos to ensue by looking into the future and writing history with it. This guy is evil with a capital E.
Capital E.

7-Yagami Light "Kira" (Deathnote)
"I am justice!"
I know he's actually an Anti-Hero and not a villain, but I just felt like the list wouldn't be right without him,
I mean he's just a cold, ruthless killer with a vendetta against the world. At first he just says the world needs
justice, but just as his father predicts "Kira" loses control to his newfound power.

8-Lex Luthor (Superman & Smallville and the comix)
"Do you know what's the secret of living happily ever after is? Power. Money and power."
Lex Luthor is another villain who just wants world domination. However, the thing that separates him from the rest is that he goes up against a superhero without having superpowers (regardless of Superman's reluctance to kill him), so naturally he has to compensate with blackmailing, and whatever other underhanded devices he can muster up.

9-Gabriel Yulaw (The One)
"I will be The One!"
Call me childish but, something about larger than life really does it for me. This guy isn't too great in the way of character developement, I mean he's just the villain bent on self-perfection. Well, not perfection but he's pretty interested in defying the laws of nature just to see if he can.

10-Saint Dane (Pendragon)
"There is much you do not know. But I will say this: When Halla crumbles, I will be there to pick up the pieces."
Enigmatic, cunning, bent on universal destruction this guy was like a physical manifestation of satan. He never seemed to loose his cool and always managed to get people to be bested by their own follies, whatever they may have been.

Llama231
2009-05-02, 06:53 PM
Does anyone thing that this idea would work well for a top ten in the playground nominate/vote type of thing?

Krazddndfreek
2009-05-03, 12:56 AM
Hell Ya!

And this other stuff is just cuz the post was too short.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-03, 03:31 AM
If you could get it to work, yes.

The Tygre
2009-05-03, 05:59 AM
10. General Woundwort
9. Zigzag the Grand Vizier
8. Kaworu Nagisha
7. Hecate
6. The Skeksis
5. TIE: Xykon/Akira
4. Lord of the Nazgul
3. Ganondorf
2. Nyarlathotep
1. Darth Traya

Llama231
2009-05-03, 02:34 PM
If you could get it to work, yes.

I could try. The only problem with this sort of thing is that tons of people nominated, and very few vote...

The Tygre
2009-05-04, 08:34 PM
The Tygre's Top Villains List V. 2.0

# 10: General Woundwort from Watership Down


Ah, how could a cute, fluffy, bunny, no matter how big and grumpy, possibly be the least bit -

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AHHHHHHH! AHHHHHHHH! AHHHHHHHH! MAKE THE SCARY BUNNY GO AWAY! SCARY BUNNY GO AWAY!

I mean, seriously... that's just... ugh. This... monster has the dubious honor of crawling his way up from the memories of my childhood. Woundwort was the dictator of a fascist warren of black and gray rabbits. This of course entitled him to all the good things that come with being an evil, rabbit overlod; growing fat as all holy hell, multiple wives, fanatic minions, and killing anyone who questioned him by tearing out their throat. Or just torturing them by eating their ears. Despite this, he wasn't a slouch in a fight. He went into battle with his troops, and fought Bigwig to a standstill. His best moment was definitely his last. While he and his Warren invaded Watership Down, Bigwig and the other rabbits fought Woundwort and his troops to stall for time so Hazel could release the local killer dog. After the dog gets there, it starts tearing through the gray rabbits like they're raw steaks. Hearing the commotion, Woundwort stops his battle with Bigwig to go see what's going on. As his men run away, Woundwort yells at them to stay and fight because, "Dogs aren't dangerous!" At that moment, the dog charges Woundwort, Woundwort charges the dog, and nobody ever sees him again. The best part? It's implied that Woundwort -won- and the dog had to run away. After that, he became the more or less racial bogeyman for rabbits everywhere, and the narrator goes on to say that that probably made him happy. The TV series took it a step farther. On the show, Woundwort was the descendant of a cousin to the Black Rabbit of Inle, the rabbit god of death. He was born in a burrow that was beneath a tire fire, killed his way to the top, and possibly cannibalized other rabbits for food. Woundwort didn't get his dog here; instead, the Black Rabbit himself had to tear open a portal to Hell to drag Woundwort in. Suck on that, Lepus

#9: Zigzag the Grand Vizier from The Thief and the Cobbler

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Ah, hez yeah, I love this guy! The Thief and the Cobbler is widely regarded as one of the great animated Magnum Opuses. Directed by Richard Williams, it featured the voices of Sean Connery and Vincent Price. The animation is outstanding by today's standards, easily overshadowing some of Disney's and Dreamworks' material. Why then, haven't you heard of this gleaming bastion of animation history? Because it spent about thirty years in Development Hell, and when a sloppy, edited version finally was released in the early 90s, it was written off as an Aladdin knock off despite being started around 1965. Despite the main villain actually being the Mighty One-eye, a shark-toothed monster in and of himself, with a city sized war machine, Zigzag stole the show. Voiced by Vincent Price, Zigzag was King Nod's scheming vizier. Surrounded by multi-colored cronies, and constantly speaking in rhyme, his magical abilities were actually more illusory than potent. Indeed, a lot of his brute-work seemed to be done by his vulture familiar, Fido. Still, he showed up for the last battle, and if being a blue-skinned wizard voiced by a rhyming Vincent Price isn't good enough for you, I don't know what is. No need to fear, Zigzag the Grand Vizier is here!

#8: Kaworu Nagisa from Neon Genesis Evangelion

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God, look at this sly little bastard. This is nothing but pure, cunning evil, darkness to the core man. Where does he get off, huh? Being -nice- to the protagonist, loving him as a human being, supporting him emotionally, and being his best friend and companion? Like I said, evil to the frakking core! The savior of humanity should be constantly rejected and emotionally abused so that he eventually turns the world into orange-ade and presents no feasible closure to the story! Wait, that doesn't sound right....

Okay, so maybe I'm putting a lot of weight on Kaworu. But if anything finally pushed Shinji off the edge, it was killing Kaworu. That act alone put Shinji into such a downward emotional spiral that the last two episodes of the series had to Shinji's psyche evaluating himself, his hatred, his love, and all of his feelings about everyone and everything around him. And lo, an entire generation was left going "WHAT THE F@#K WAS THAT?!" And the thing is, while he was genuinely nice to Shinji, this was all part of Kaworu's plan. Kaworu succeeded where so many other villains have failed; he made the entire audience suffer. Kaworu: Breaking the Fourth Wall with neurosis since 1995.

#7: Hecate from Hellboy

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Ever since I first read 'Wake the Devil', Hecate has always been one of my favorite characters. More or less responsible for the downfall of earth's first civilization, she holds on to her title as the Iron Queen of Witches; well, until she got killed later on. Mike Mignola always builds up the atmosphere around her. She's usually heralded by a green mist, swarms of night-creatures, and a peek at the Ogdru-Jahad. Some of Hellboy's wittier dialogue comes when he's dealing with her, including the famous 'Mythological Figure' line. Her son, the vampire Giurescu, is still playing a part in the BPRD, even after his death. Hecate is always atmospheric, always powerful, and always creepy. Gorgo, Mormo, and the Thousand Faced Moon indeed.

#6: The Skeksis from the Dark Crystal

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The Dark Crystal just doesn't get enough love, and consequently, neither do the Skeksis. When South Park actually referenced these guys, I was amazed and delighted. The Skeksis are the evil rulers of their world (duh), and enjoy a good old fashioned a dinner of rotting meat and slave from time to time. Leave it to Jim Henson to make some great monsters. With their vulture-beaks, atrophied arms, reptilian bodies, and ruined clothes, it's a shame they're not referenced more. Their culture is also pretty interesting too, what with their traditional duels and different ranks. Just remember to watch out for Nanny Skeksis.

#5 - Tie: Tetsuo from Akira.

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Tetsuuuuo! Tetsuuuuo! Tetsuuuuo! Ahem... Sorry, Akira fandom law demands that Tetsuo's name be screamed at least three times, and loud as possible, whenever Akira enters the conversation. I imagine that a lot of people entered anime gently, probably with some off of a Saturday morning or Cartoon Network. Not me, no sir. I burst in to the last thirty minutes of Akira and I haven't looked back since. Tetsuo starts off as just a guy with an inferiority complex. Unlike almost every other character in anime with the same problem, he gets to do something about it. That something is use unimaginable psionic powers for whatever the Hell he wants. This guy just looks awesome; the red cape, the spiky hair, the robot arm, that rodent-like stare. This is someone tired of getting pushed around and is mad as hell about it. As that Guy in the Suede said, "Welcome to the Mind Freak."

#5 - Tie: Xykon from Order of the Stick

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I think this guy's been pretty accurately explained already, but I'll go ahead and say my piece. What's great about Xykon is that he just started out as this kind of comic villain because it was his job to be the villain. He was just evil for the sake of being evil. And for a while, that was good enough, but not enough to really consider him a big-time villain. Then, BAM, Start of Darkness came out. And then it hit us; he was being EVIL for the sake of evil. I mean, talk about an upgrade! Suddenly, we figured out just how deep and twisted Xykon really is. And the rest, they say, is history.

#4 The Lord of the Nazgul from the Return of the King

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Ah, here we go. This is where it all started for me. When I was but a lad, back before there were Tieflings, my mom got me the animated version of Return of the King. Y'know, the one with the singing orcs? Anyway, this is where I got obsessed with Tolkien, and by extension, Fantasy in general. Everything I am as a nerd today, I can trace back to this movie. And the one thing I loved about this movie above all others, the one thing that my ninja-GI Joe had to emulate by wearing a cape and riding a horned horse, was the Witch King. This guy was awesome. He just swooped in, dark and scary as hell, with this huge booming voice that no one could understand. When he took off his hood, the voice changed to this mocking kind of ring that he spoke with that was still somehow threatening. The dragon and the flaming sword helped. Ever since, the Witch King and all Nazgul have been some of my favorite villains.

#3: Ganondorf from the Legend of Zelda

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Looking through here, I see that a lot of these villains are my firsts. My first anime, my first web-comic, my first Tolkien. So it should make sense that my first real video game should be up here towards the top. Ganon is simply awesome. While I don't mean to play favorites, the Ocarina of Time version will always hold a special place in my heart. Although I do have to give points to the Wind Waker version for the coolest death in any video game I've ever seen. But everything about OoT Ganon was awesome; his massive red cape, his fortress of doom, his ultimate attack, that smug attitude. Hell, even inexplicably playing the pipe organ was cool. OoT Ganon more or less set my standards for villainy for years to come. That he helped revolutionized linear story-telling 'mode' boss battles and gave the game my favorite video game ending of all time only helps.

#2: Nyarlathotep from the Cthulhu Mythos

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Why is Nyarlathotep awesome? Why -isn't- he awesome is a better question. Out of all the Outer Gods, Nyarlathotep's the only one that you can say really comes close to having morality. And he has that for the sole purpose of corrupting it and being evil. He just seems to enjoy messing with humans. But what's really awesome is all his different forms. At any given time, in given pantheon, or any given place, there's a chance Nyarlathotep is there. In fact, he's probably on this list at least -once-. Black Rabbit of Inle? That's probably Nyarlathotep. Adam from Evangelion? Definitely Nyarlathotep. If he's not in Hellboy than the entire series is a lie. He's probably the one that broke the Dark Crystal and gave Tetsuo incredible psychic potential. Sauron? Probably not Nyarlathotep, but Morkoth's a yes. And if Ganon isn't Nyarlathotep, I don't know who is. In fact, there's a very good chance that YOU are Nyarlathotep and you don't even know it. That's how good he is...

#1: Darth Traya from Knights of the Old Republic II

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Father figures are done to death. So when a mother figure was made, Kreia executed it incredibly. To this day, Kreia remains one of the most complex and fascinating characters in any Star Wars media. You're never really sure she's evil, even at the very end. Her goal is purely epic; I mean, KILL THE FORCE? Palpatine looks like a little blonde school-girl named Cindy compared to that. Sarah Kestleman's voice is simply kick-ass for this role. I won't lie; half the reason I play Knights of the Old Republic II is just to have Kreia in my party. How awesome is she? Let's put it this way. Malachor V was incomplete, rough, largely unexplained, with several areas and almost all major main characters missing. And yet she still made it the BEST. LEVEL. EVER. You had me at quoting Darth Vader; "Save me? You already have."

Honorable Mentions and Runner-Ups

That Scary-Assed Clown from The Little Toaster: You think you're old enough to stand that clown. Then you look him up and prove yourself wrong by pissing yourself. This guy would have made, but I was too scared to look him up. Can't sleep, clown'll eat me. Can't sleep, clown'll eat me. Can't sleep, clown'll eat me...

Gendo Ikari from Evangelion: For taking being a total **** to a whole new level.

Trigon from Teen Titans: He could've made it, if he hadn't been beat by his petite teenage daughter...several times.

Nunally from Code Geass: ... Look at her. Just look at her. Blind, crippled, and a little girl? There's no way she's that adorable naturally. Come on. Deep down inside, we all know she's pulling the strings, she's the one controlling the whole show. She's not blind, or crippled! That's right, you little tart. I'm on to you. I'm on to your whole game...

The Joker from Batman

Deathstroke from Villains United

Dr. Light from Identity Crisis: For being promoted from 'Dr. Light' to 'Dr. Rape' or 'Rape Lad' or 'The Rapist' or whatever the hell he is now...

Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars

Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII

Voldemort from Harry Potter

Frieza and Vegeta from Dragonball Z

Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean: Because mixing pirates AND Call of Cthulhu never felt so right.

Almost any given Disney villain from almost any Disney animated film.

chiasaur11
2009-05-04, 09:44 PM
Might as well give my honorable but disqualified on grounds of moral ambiguity mention:

Durandal, from Marathon.

An insane, homicidal AI with a massive god complex who summons a species of alien slavers to attack a human colony ship, just to deactivate some failsafes preventing his growth into full grown madness. Then he tries to kill you, and kidnaps you for his own mysterious purposes. Sadly, for the sake of the list, his purposes usually somewhat much yours, with his goals of godhood and your goals of killing every alien slaver intersecting. You seize him the alien ship, free a slave race so they can work for him, and save the colony.

Of course, he then finds you useful enough to keep.

In the sequel, he just get better, outwitting a better armed clone of himself, a precursor AI, and the greatest general of the aforementioned evil aliens with just a scout ship.

And by the end of the third game, he just might have become a god. Not bad for an AI built just to open doors.

Hylleddin
2009-05-08, 10:20 PM
Midna doomed an entire race to eternal imprsionment, not just any race either, her own race, and got off scot-free. what's worse, she got descendents of the two heroic lines of hyrule to help her.

no other villain can make the same claim, to have betrayed their own people with the help of legendary heros, and get away with it.


The twilight realm isn’t a prison for the Twili anymore than Australia is a prison for Australians. They have as much difficulty in our world as we do in their’s. For them the twilight realm isn’t eternal suffering, its home. And much nicer then Hyrule. I think she shouldn’t have broken the mirror, but she certainly didn’t betray or doom her people.

Plus, Zant went back and forth without the mirror, so there's still some way to get between Hyrule and the Twilight Realm.

Now for my list:

10: The Overmind (Starcraft)

It is just so confidant. When he gives you his opening spiel in the first zerg campaign, you really think it can do it. It manages to make an eyeball charismatic.

9: Syndrome (The incredibles)

Interesting backstory, and very Genre Savvy

8: Professor Umbridge (Harry Potter)

In here because of sheer vileness. Complete sadism behind a cheery facade.

7: Kira (Death Note)

Very intelligent (though I personally think L was smarter) and fascinating to watch work. Delusions of holy purpose.

6: The Replicators (Stargate)

A Horde of Alien Locusts that eats tech instead of people. My favorite thing about them is that, pre human forms, they weren’t evil, or probably even sentient, more of a force of nature. Well, except for the “natural” part.

5: The Joker (Batman series)

Practically an avatar of chaos, he is twisted

4: Xykon (Do I really need to tell you?)

I haven’t read SoD yet, but I get the general jist of it from the forums. In the main strips he is hilarious, and deceptively devious.

3: Thrawn (Star wars EU)

The best villains are intelligent ones, and Thrawn has this in spades. He is also charismatic, calm, collected, and keeps his goals reasonable.

2: Nicodemus (The Dresden Files)

Nicodemus edges slightly above Thrawn because he interacts with the protagonists more, so he gives better banter. But he’s read the evil overlord list.

1: Ba’al (Stargate)

In his own words:

Ba’al: This one.
Selmak: How do you know?
Ba’al: I am a god. Gods are all knowing.

Ba’al is a goa’uld. He has a sense of humor and a devious mind, but what puts him above all others is the same thing that put syndrome on the list: Genre Savviness.

UltraDude
2009-05-09, 09:37 AM
The twilight realm isn’t a prison for the Twili anymore than Australia is a prison for Australians. They have as much difficulty in our world as we do in their’s. For them the twilight realm isn’t eternal suffering, its home. And much nicer then Hyrule. I think she shouldn’t have broken the mirror, but she certainly didn’t betray or doom her people.

Plus, Zant went back and forth without the mirror, so there's still some way to get between Hyrule and the Twilight Realm.


*nod nod*

I was considering saying the same thing, but wasn't sure how to get it across best (in part because I didn't quite comprehend the argument, but that's neither here nor there).

In accordance with my contest nominations, I thought I'd put down the ones I added to Khaldris and Beatrice to get my final list:

Grace O'Connor (Macross Frontier) - Manipulator of aliens, people, and has a plan with an actual success rate unlike many villains! Looks good too.

Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender) - Manipulative, arrogant, clever, and cruel. Some latent mommy issues, but they don't offset just how nasty she is to everyone around her for her own benefit.

Shu Shirakawa (Super Robot Wars) - A mysterious super genius with just about the toughest giant robot ever. Good luck figuring out what he's up to, and good luck stopping him. Also bishie.

To be perfectly honest, there are certainly better, but they were mostly nominated.