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Haven
2009-04-11, 02:39 PM
Parson's a hippie-mancer? Didn't see that one coming. Or the Leonard Nimoy look-a-like.

I wonder why there's no charge for the thinkamancers. I guess they really like Sizemore. Good guy, frequent customer, and he seems to tip pretty well.

The Rose Dragon
2009-04-11, 02:41 PM
OK, who is the guy in the final panel?

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 02:45 PM
Lemme see, 2nd panel, from left to rigth:

-Gandalf
-?
-Harry Potter
-?
-Black Mage from 8-bit-theater
-Dschinnie
-The wicked witch of the west
-?

And Hippiemancer? Didn't see that, too. Seriously.

Saint Nil
2009-04-11, 02:45 PM
The red one? He's from He-Man masters of the Universe.

I love all trhe referneces.:smallbiggrin:

Lamech
2009-04-11, 02:46 PM
So non-casters disband when they set foot in the magic kingdom? Or maybe just when they portal. And they have a lot of casters.

I highly suspect the hippymancer was a quick lie.

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 02:48 PM
The red one? He's from He-Man masters of the Universe.

I love all trhe referneces.:smallbiggrin:

I forgot he-man's stupid sidekick, I'm getting old. The 24 years of living finally kick in.

Ganurath
2009-04-11, 02:52 PM
I recognized Ming, and even though I've never seen the older episodes I just know that the new Thinkamancer is The Doctor.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 02:54 PM
Lemme see, 2nd panel, from left to rigth:

-Gandalf
-?
-Harry Potter
-?
-Black Mage from 8-bit-theater
-Dschinnie
-The wicked witch of the west
-?

The last one is Dr. Strange.

So now we have
- Albus Dumbledore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore)
- Hermione Granger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermione_Granger)
- Harry Potter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_(character))
- Doctor Who (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_who#The_Doctor) / Carl Sagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan) (?)
- Orko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko)
- Jeannie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie)
- Wicked Witch of the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_witch_of_the_west#The_1939_movie)
- Doctor Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Strange)

EDIT:

I recognized Ming, and even though I've never seen the older episodes I just know that the new Thinkamancer is The Doctor.
I agree... for pretty much the same reason. I Just Knew (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IJustKnew) :smallbiggrin:

Which one is Ming?

Also - continually updating the list :smallsmile:

Oh, and other characters:
- Hippiemancer (Erfworld)
- Spock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spock) (Hippiemancer's assistant)

For our foreign readers :smalltongue:

rwald
2009-04-11, 02:54 PM
Is it just me, or is the guy towards the end of the comic, the one who covers Black Red Mage's mouth, supposed to be Carl Sagan? It's a bit of a stretch, but note the atom-symbol around his wand in the group shot.

El_Chupachichis
2009-04-11, 02:56 PM
Something with that nuclear icon on his wand and hairstyle... I don't know why, but I'm thinking Carl Sagan... Or someone in the 70's era?

Edit: Ninja'd

Kyouhen
2009-04-11, 02:58 PM
Ok, so it looks like Thinkamancers like to be well-dressed. Also that's a LOT of casters. I wonder how many of them are master-class...

Hippiemancer? :smallconfused: I'm looking forward to the explanation for this.

And what's up with all those snakes? :smalleek:

Narkis
2009-04-11, 02:58 PM
The first mage on the left looks like Dumbledore to me rather than Gandalf. And the second like Hermione Granger.

Lamech
2009-04-11, 02:59 PM
I would also note that someone said "minutes". Is this the first time units of time shorter than days or turns have been used?

And it appears to be day now, so I think this is before Jillian got beaten by Ceaser.

EvilDMMk3
2009-04-11, 03:02 PM
Is a what now?

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 03:03 PM
...
- Dschinnie (who is that?)
...

I meant "Jeanny", the one from "I dream of Jeannie". Fast writing without researching is not your friend.

Gez
2009-04-11, 03:04 PM
Vulcan nerve pinch!

The snakes are a constant (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html) in the Magic Kingdom.

Jeannie picture (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1903925248/tt0058815)

Mysteryman64
2009-04-11, 03:07 PM
That is for sure Carl Sagan in the last few panels.

It's the exact same suit he wore in the Cosmos series, down to the patches on the elbow of his jacket. He has the same hair and the same shirt. Add on top he's a thinkamancer (considering he sent out a message for more thinkamancers) and who else could it be.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 03:08 PM
Hippiemancer? :smallconfused: I'm looking forward to the explanation for this.

Likely it was just the Hippiemancer giving her protection to Parson. Since it seems non-casters should disband when walking through the Portal, everyone is really confused.

Me, I'm more surprised by Doctor/Sagan's reaction to the identification of Sizemore. Is he a big deal in the Magic Kingdom? Exciting! :smallbiggrin:

EDIT:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure Spock is a Hippiemancer too. Why? This episode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Side_of_Paradise_(Star_Trek)) :smallbiggrin:

Myshlaevsky
2009-04-11, 03:11 PM
Likely it was just the Hippiemancer giving her protection to Parson. Since it seems non-casters should disband when walking through the Portal, everyone is really confused.

Me, I'm more surprised by "Doctor Sagan's" reaction to the identification of Sizemore. Is he a big deal in the Magic Kingdom? Exciting! :smallbiggrin:

I think Sizemore has a stigma attached to his work for Stanley, and may have an agenda with the Magic Kingdom related to this.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 03:13 PM
I think Sizemore has a stigma attached to his work for Stanley, and may have an agenda with the Magic Kingdom related to this.

If so, then why did Doctor/Sagan offer to fix them for free? And why didn't anyone note Wanda or Maggie?

Cloudbreaker
2009-04-11, 03:16 PM
I think the thinkamancer stopped Sizemore's name from being said because it could destroy the link.

And if Parson really is a hippymancer, and it isn't just a quick lie, what type of hippymancer do you think he is? Would he specialize in flower power, signamancy, or date-a-mancy? My bet is on signamancy because he seems to be good at setting up deals.

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 03:18 PM
Maybe Sizemore has worked with most people on the island and they like him? Alternatively word has spread that a dirtamancer trap has croaked some 1000 units over multiple hexes and the mancers know there is only one dirtamancer in Stanley's side.

Dys
2009-04-11, 03:19 PM
I think the thinkamancer stopped Sizemore's name from being said because it could destroy the link.

I was intending to say this myself, but you beat me to it. Sizemore may be well known in the Magic Kingdom however, as he may have studied under many people. He has an interest in all forms of magic, after all.

Dys.

Zombie Nixon
2009-04-11, 03:20 PM
Does anyone else love the fact that hippiemancers use Rands for money?

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 03:20 PM
That is for sure Carl Sagan in the last few panels.

It's the exact same suit he wore in the Cosmos series, down to the patches on the elbow of his jacket. He has the same hair and the same shirt. Add on top he's a thinkamancer (considering he sent out a message for more thinkamancers) and who else could it be.

Hmm... fair enough. Besides, if it were Doctor Who, he'd be wielding a Sonic Screwdriver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_screwdriver), wouldn't he?

OK, hopefully final list:

From Left to Right
- Albus Dumbledore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore)
- Hermione Granger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermione_Granger)
- Harry Potter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_(character))
- Carl Sagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan)
- Orko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko)
- Jeannie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie)
- Wicked Witch of the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_witch_of_the_west#The_1939_movie)
- Doctor Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Strange)

Fez
2009-04-11, 03:22 PM
I dunno. The spockamancer? sure was emoting a lot. I mean three exclamation marks? That's not very logical.

EDIT: And why are there a bunch of tapered snakes/sperm wiggling about the ground?

WarriorTribble
2009-04-11, 03:26 PM
If so, then why did Doctor/Sagan offer to fix them for free? And why didn't anyone note Wanda or Maggie?For reasons I can't fathom people seem to think the volcano was only a Dirtamancy spell (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0151.html), not one of those uber spells cast by a mage gestalt. I'm guessing people only noticed the flowing lava (not the uncroak the dead volcano part). Now there're those who'd want to either kill or capture the dirtamancer responsible for such a devestating spell, and the Magic Kingdom is trying to stall the inevitable drama.

cdrcjsn
2009-04-11, 03:28 PM
I think I too fall on the Carl Sagan camp rather than Doctor Who.

The hippiemancer thing is also rather out of nowhere, leading me to also think that the hippiemancer might just be throwing her protection over Parson for some reason.

Do we have any evidence that casters can identify other casters by sight? As far as I know knowing unit stats is only an ability of faction leaders and warlords right?

runekiri
2009-04-11, 03:28 PM
Im not following Erfworld that much so i dont know if shes been plot related before, but that druid/Hippiemancer or whatever appeared here too.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html

Yuki Akuma
2009-04-11, 03:29 PM
So... what's the difference between a rand and a schmucker?

I guess they use a different currency because Moneymancers could conceivably just poof schmuckers from nothing?

Edit: Also, casters can indeed see unit stats (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html).

Tingel
2009-04-11, 03:31 PM
I dunno. The spockamancer? sure was emoting a lot. I mean three exclamation marks? That's not very logical.
He is high on spores. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Side_of_Paradise_(Star_Trek))


EDIT: And why are there a bunch of tapered snakes/sperm wiggling about the ground?
Snakes symbolize occult knowledge.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 03:33 PM
Do we have any evidence that casters can identify other casters by sight? As far as I know knowing unit stats is only an ability of faction leaders and warlords right?

Casters can see unit stats. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html) :smallsmile:

Oh yeah, and the Hippiemancer's name is Janis (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html)

EDIT:
I dunno about the "fame" thing. Remember that this is just after Parson jumped through the Portal - I doubt the Volcano is even halfway done by this point.

Yeah, it's probably the Thinkamancy Reason.

Aquillion
2009-04-11, 03:35 PM
For reasons I can't fathom people seem to think the volcano was only a Dirtamancy spell (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0151.html), not one of those uber spells cast by a mage gestalt. I'm guessing people only noticed the flowing lava (not the uncroak the dead volcano part). Now there're those who'd want to either kill or capture the dirtamancer responsible for such a devestating spell, and the Magic Kingdom is trying to stall the inevitable drama.Also, talking to someone in a link as an individual endangers the link (and possibly their lives) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0060.html). That's why he stopped Orko from saying Sizemore's name.

But yes, I'm guessing that Sizemore is famous because of what happened just now...

ShinyBrowncoat
2009-04-11, 03:36 PM
That is for sure Carl Sagan in the last few panels.

It's the exact same suit he wore in the Cosmos series, down to the patches on the elbow of his jacket. He has the same hair and the same shirt. Add on top he's a thinkamancer (considering he sent out a message for more thinkamancers) and who else could it be.

The clincher:


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

ETA: Oops, nevermind. That was Arthur Clarke, not Carl Sagan who said that...

Kyouhen
2009-04-11, 03:37 PM
I think the thinkamancer stopped Sizemore's name from being said because it could destroy the link.


This is probably why. Maybe the reason such a big deal was made out of talking to Misty was just so people don't get used to calling her by name for when she's actually linked.

Ok, so the snakes have always been there. I guess I just didn't notice it before because there were so few. But why are the snakes there? :smalltongue:

And now that we've figured out who all the casters all, cookie for the first person to figure out what they all are! :smallbiggrin:

datalaughing
2009-04-11, 03:38 PM
Sagan or whoever he is stops Orko from saying Sizemore's name because addressing Sizemore as an individual could break the link suddenly, which could end badly for them. He's a thinkamancer. So he understands. Besides, names have magical significance even in erfworld. It's how they brought Jack back from crazytown, after all.

EDIT: I was ninja'd! Oh well.

Titanium Dragon
2009-04-11, 03:38 PM
Parson's a hippie-mancer? Didn't see that one coming. Or the Leonard Nimoy look-a-like.


Its possible. But lest we forget, its also very possible that the hippiemancer is lying and simply said it to defuse the situation.

Though it'd be pretty funny if he was a hippiemancer, someone who brings peace. Of course, one could argue that's precisely what he's meant to do...


I wonder why there's no charge for the thinkamancers. I guess they really like Sizemore. Good guy, frequent customer, and he seems to tip pretty well.


Most likely. They may also know Maggie and like her as well. Or they could have reasons of their own.


And what's up with all those snakes?

Association with knowledge/wisdom.

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 03:38 PM
Do we have any evidence that casters can identify other casters by sight? As far as I know knowing unit stats is only an ability of faction leaders and warlords right?

Yes, Parson's Klog says all warlords and casters can do that. They are just confused because no one can see Parson's stats.

Yuki Akuma
2009-04-11, 03:44 PM
Yes, Parson's Klog says all warlords and casters can do that. They are just confused because no one can see Parson's stats.

Can casters (and warlords) see enemy stats, or just their own side's?

Majutsukai
2009-04-11, 03:49 PM
Can casters (and warlords) see enemy stats, or just their own side's?

Both sides, presumably, but nobody can see Parson's stats.

darkgolem
2009-04-11, 03:50 PM
The guy next to Orko could be Carl Sagan (http://religionkills.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/carl-sagan.jpg). Pardon the political content of the web page I found the picture on, btw, just see the picture please.

But I also think that there was a guy in Scanners or maybe the Fury who was a sportcoat wearing psychic.. I can't find a picture to exemplify this though.

Vreejack
2009-04-11, 03:51 PM
Is it just me, or is the guy towards the end of the comic, the one who covers Black Red Mage's mouth, supposed to be Carl Sagan? It's a bit of a stretch, but note the atom-symbol around his wand in the group shot.

Well, he is a thinkamancer. Sagan was my reaction, too. Plus, "sagan" sort of means "mind."

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 03:56 PM
And now that we've figured out who all the casters all, cookie for the first person to figure out what they all are! :smallbiggrin:

Hmm...
From Left to Right
- Albus Dumbledore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore)
Carnymancer
No so sure here, but he can't be a Thinkamancer (or Sagan wouldn't have needed to summon more) and there's no "fire-mancer." But he does summon a lot of things, which I imagine is what Carnymancy is all about

- Hermione Granger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermione_Granger)
Mathamancer
Big on the books, right?

- Harry Potter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_(character))
Rhyme-o-Mancer
Maybe even with garbled Latin phrases :smalltongue:

- Carl Sagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan)
Thinkamancer
Given

- Orko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko)
Hatamancer
It's pretty much the only thing he did well :smalltongue:

- Jeannie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie)
Changemancer
Most of her wishes were material based, and she did a lot of turning one thing into another.

- Wicked Witch of the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_witch_of_the_west#The_1939_movie)
Weirdomancer
The Wicked Witch's main power seems to be in her minions, and I think the Spookism School is all about animating the inanimate (like the Bears). Besides, shouldn't she be a Spookist? :smalltongue:

- Doctor Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Strange)
Predictamancer
Doctor Strange would definitely fall under the "Hocus Pocus" School, and he spends a lot of time foretelling DOOOOM!


Oh, and The Chart (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html) for ease of reading :smallbiggrin:

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 03:56 PM
I think so; the klog doesn't limit this to units of the own side. And Sir Webinar immediately recognized Sizemore as the caster when he saw him.

The Old Hack
2009-04-11, 03:59 PM
"He's a Hippiemancer. But guard him anyway." I am with the people who think Janis is pulling a fast one here in order to 1) defuse the situation and 2) get Parson into her charge. Also, a masterclass Thinkamancer would be very leery of having the names of the participants of a link just dropped about while they were present. So no secrecy, I suspect, just professional caution.

Nice page, and a nice change of pace after the emotional tension of earlier. So now we only need to find out what the Tool is up to while all this is going on, and what he will think of things when he comes home to the lava pool.

Glome
2009-04-11, 04:07 PM
Well I suppose that explains why Parson's upkeep was so high. Kudos to those who guessed that he was a warlord/caster, although I don't think anyone guessed he was a hippiemancer.

Janis of course could be lying, but I don't think it was necessary to defuse the situation at that point since he was already unconscious, and I don't think she would risk her reputation on someone who she doesn't even know. She could have just said 'let's wait and figure out how he got here' and gotten the same response.

Xorbon
2009-04-11, 04:14 PM
I really enjoyed all of the references in this one.

And Parson's delayed reaction to the "Spock Pinch" made me snicker. :smallsmile:

Also, Parson's a caster?! Wha-wha-what? :smallconfused:

Mysteryman64
2009-04-11, 04:15 PM
Well I suppose that explains why Parson's upkeep was so high. Kudos to those who guessed that he was a warlord/caster, although I don't think anyone guessed he was a hippiemancer.

Janis of course could be lying, but I don't think it was necessary to defuse the situation at that point since he was already unconscious, and I don't think she would risk her reputation on someone who she doesn't even know. She could have just said 'let's wait and figure out how he got here' and gotten the same response.


Speaking of upkeep, how is Parson's going to be maintained now that the Tool's treasury has been buried under an earthquake and melted by a ton of lava?

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 04:18 PM
I'll join the Janis-lied-faction. She probably wanted to calm everybody down and get a closer look at him. Casters are very valuable, and the casters-only portal probably protected the magic kingdom from attackers that would like to have them all. If Parson can ignore that, he is a potential threat to all of them.

Aquillion
2009-04-11, 04:21 PM
Speaking of upkeep, how is Parson's going to be maintained now that the Tool's treasury has been buried under an earthquake and melted by a ton of lava?It could be automatic, in which case however much is left of the Tool's treasury under the tons of rock will continue to have the necessary gold withdrawn from it every day until it runs out.

Devoured_Dude
2009-04-11, 04:23 PM
Speaking of upkeep, how is Parson's going to be maintained now that the Tool's treasury has been buried under an earthquake and melted by a ton of lava?

His food might not pop next turn, but I suspect Parson can afford to miss a couple of meals.

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 04:27 PM
Down down down goes the server... down down down goes my mind

The upkeep could be a problem; but Jillian somehow managed to survive with her squad, so she must have had some money with her. Maybe warlords and casters automatically carry a little bit of the treasure with them when they leave their city.

Aquillion
2009-04-11, 04:34 PM
Down down down goes the server... down down down goes my mind

The upkeep could be a problem; but Jillian somehow managed to survive with her squad, so she must have had some money with her. Maybe warlords and casters automatically carry a little bit of the treasure with them when they leave their city.Jillian was heir. That's different.

ishnar
2009-04-11, 04:35 PM
I'm with the people that claim quick lie, but I'd find the alternative just as interesting. Everyone's been wanting to find out what the heck *special means for a long time now.

While people can see stats, apparently they don't normally see names or questions like, "Isn't that so-and-so?" would never be asked. I think Sizemore just visits the Magic Kingdom so often, and trained under all the specialties, so he's pretty much known personally by many.

Since context has me looking back at this page, http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html Looks like I'm seeing some dance fighting training going on in the background there. Especially than one guy looks to be doing a Capoeira move, so maybe that was the inspiration for dance fighting.

It's interesting how the island pie colors extends into the water.

Ganurath
2009-04-11, 04:40 PM
Doubletake: Parson said die!

Furin_Mirado
2009-04-11, 04:48 PM
I don't think Parson is actually a caster, but his 'special' attribute allows him into the Magic Kingdom. I think the fact that he comes from outside Erf means he is able to bend some rules.

Nekomata
2009-04-11, 04:51 PM
Nice bit of expo speak in fist two panels. Clears up many questions but doesn't feel forced at all.

chefsotero
2009-04-11, 04:52 PM
Jillian was heir. That's different.

And so was the Tool. So we only have exemples of heir's becaming barbarian after the King passes. (Just a tought)

And if Parson is really an Hippiemiancer, what flavor? (Flower-power, signamancer or date-a-mancer)

This is from the magic Thread



Hippiemancy (We know this field largely by inference.)

Flower power--Used to calm beings and create peace. (May also cause distortion in one's awareness of time.)

Signamancy--Theme-based speculation: astrology, prophecy, and/or omens. Long-term and general predictions, rather than the short-term, focused applications of Predictamancy.

Date-a-mancy--Speculation: Date- or turn-based numerology. Prediction of auspicious times for various actions. "Your lucky number is four. Wait until the fourth turn to commit your forces."


Given this theory Parson could easly fit in one of the last 2

Mysteryman64
2009-04-11, 04:52 PM
Could the fact that Parson is a summoned creature have anything to do with his ability to go through the gate? He could be considered some sort of spell by the portal.

shamelessmerc
2009-04-11, 04:57 PM
So what kind of currency do we think Rands are?

I'm thinking that the magic kingdom is supposed to be Galt's Gulch.

Either that or it's a reference to the RAND corporation... these are the finest minds in Erf after all...

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 04:58 PM
Jillian was heir. That's different.

Maybe. But even as barbarian Jillian (or now Stanley) has to pay upkeep for her units. As barbarian she got her own purse and used mercenary work to fill it, but where did she get the initial money, that allowed her to survive long enough to get mercenary work? And why should whatever mechanism filled her purse not also allow Parson to survive some turns?

stupidface
2009-04-11, 05:00 PM
He's a hippiemancer because he's fat.

surtt
2009-04-11, 05:03 PM
I'm with the people that claim quick lie, but I'd find the alternative just as interesting. Everyone's been wanting to find out what the heck *special means for a long time now.


If she just wanted to protect him what not just agree he was a Mathomancer.
Why go with a less believable Hippiemancer label?

Maybe his rl slacker lifestyle has something to do with it.

Blackeagle
2009-04-11, 05:04 PM
So what kind of currency do we think Rands are?

I'm thinking that the magic kingdom is supposed to be Galt's Gulch.

Either that or it's a reference to the RAND corporation... these are the finest minds in Erf after all...

Well, the obvious reference is that the Rand is the currency of South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_rand).

Grunthos
2009-04-11, 05:05 PM
Well, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyJZhV2lQ) would be why Spock is a hippiemancer. Presumably he originated in hobbittm. Egad.

Four master-class thinkamancers... and the two thinkamancers we have seen so far are both based on real people (Thatcher, Sagan). Any guesses as to who's gonna show up?

Gez
2009-04-11, 05:05 PM
While people can see stats, apparently they don't normally see names or questions like, "Isn't that so-and-so?" would never be asked. I think Sizemore just visits the Magic Kingdom so often, and trained under all the specialties, so he's pretty much known personally by many.

I think names are not displayed currently because Sizemore, Maggie and Wanda are subsumed in the link.

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 05:09 PM
And so was the Tool. So we only have exemples of heir's becaming barbarian after the King passes. (Just a tought)

This are the examples we have seen, but there should be other cases. Ansom wondered if Jillian was a royal. If only heirs and overlords can be barbarian, he would be sure that she was royal. The possibility that she wasn't, would be insignificant because only very rarely non-royals get promoted to heir.

stsasser
2009-04-11, 05:14 PM
Is Jeannie using her bottle as a wand?

SteveMB
2009-04-11, 05:17 PM
I'm also of the opinion that Janis was just winging it and making stuff up. (Even if for some reason it's true Parson is a Hippiemancer, how would she know?)


While people can see stats, apparently they don't normally see names or questions like, "Isn't that so-and-so?" would never be asked. I think Sizemore just visits the Magic Kingdom so often, and trained under all the specialties, so he's pretty much known personally by many.

Normal warlord/caster stat vision clearly doesn't reveal names; if it did, Stanley would have been able to see Jack's name as soon as Maggie suggested addressing him by name.

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-11, 05:19 PM
If she just wanted to protect him what not just agree he was a Mathomancer.
Why go with a less believable Hippiemancer label?

She seems to be the top Hippiemancer; labelling him that way would put her in charge of him instead of the top Hocus-Pocus-mancer.

ryos
2009-04-11, 05:19 PM
And Sizemore's generosity pays off. Nicely done, Titans. Nicely done.

shamelessmerc
2009-04-11, 05:24 PM
Well, the obvious reference is that the Rand is the currency of South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_rand).

Yes, obvious. And makes no sense that I could think of.

The Minx
2009-04-11, 05:27 PM
One note:

Carl Sagan said that there would be four more thinkamancers arriving in a few minutes. So Erfworlders do have the concept of minutes, and presumably hours, seconds, etc. AFAIK this is the first time we have seen anyone in the comic use conventional units of time (other than the day/night cycle which seemed almost inextricable from the turn based timing system).

It makes sense too, otherwise a side could simply choose never to end turn for whatever reason and screw up the whole system. Each turn presumably has a definite time limit.

Grey Watcher
2009-04-11, 05:33 PM
...

- Wicked Witch of the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_witch_of_the_west#The_1939_movie)
Weirdomancer
The Wicked Witch's main power seems to be in her minions, and I think the Spookism School is all about animating the inanimate (like the Bears). Besides, shouldn't she be a Spookist? :smalltongue:

...

I do believe in spooks! I do believe in spooks! I do, I do, I do!

OK, now that I've got that out of my system: are we sure all three of the casters on the left side of the panel are all from the same mythos? Seems a bit odd to me given the eclectic nature of the other references. I can't figure out who else "Hermione" and "Potter" might be, but "Dumbledore" COULD conceivably be Merlin. Definitely can't be Gandalf, as Gandalf wouldn't be caught dead without his signature hat. Or maybe he would (http://www.council-of-elrond.com/castdb/gandalfwhite/gandalfwhite.html).

EDIT: I love that the end of Jeannie's wand is her bottle.

El_Chupachichis
2009-04-11, 05:39 PM
Ok, so the snakes have always been there. I guess I just didn't notice it before because there were so few. But why are the snakes there? :smalltongue:

Biblical reference (Moses and the Pharaoh's Mages)? Maybe the castors create snakes all the time as a form of magical competition?

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-04-11, 05:47 PM
Well, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyJZhV2lQ) would be why Spock is a hippiemancer. Presumably he originated in hobbittm. Egad.

Four master-class thinkamancers... and the two thinkamancers we have seen so far are both based on real people (Thatcher, Sagan). Any guesses as to who's gonna show up?

I should be very sad if Professor Xavier is not one of the Thinkamancers summoned... Perhaps Einstein as well?

Also, are you sure that is Jeanie? Princess Zelda also has an outfit identical to that in a couple of the games and on SSMB... complete with the hair.

Suicide Junkie
2009-04-11, 05:50 PM
Why does Spocko look so thin in panel 6? Almost two-dimensional, just as his effect kicks in.

ThreeEyedOni
2009-04-11, 05:53 PM
Things to keep in mind:

None of them can see unit stats on Parson, which is about as odd as seing someone with no visible neck and the head just bobbing there.
Parson is big compared to most Erfworlders. Like, Twoll big. Heavy-Unit big. Would any caster even possibly be that big? So far the only units that size that have been reasonably intelligent (and still pretty far from Casters) have been the Knights in Stanley's Service and the Twolls (which I think is stretching the definition of "intelligent").
Parson, to an Erfworlder, talks like a lunatic.

So we have a huge unit that doesn't scan come through a gate that only casters should survive, yet he shows no sign of that and garbed for full combat. Toss in the fact that (at best) he sounds like a lunatic (at worse) he sounds like Charlie, and it's no wonder everyone's pointing wands at him.

On a sidenote: Toss this into the "Charlie is a Human" category. I doubt Erfworlders would ever trust someone with no visible status unless that had summoned the guy and could disband him at will. If Charlie was a human, then he'd basically have to be this shadowy figure if he wanted to keep "playing".

Simons Mith
2009-04-11, 06:08 PM
I'm not convinced of the names for any of the three leftmost wizards people have come up with. All the others, fine. Possibly Dumbledore too. But the other two just look too generic for me to identify. I think 'Hermione' could just as easily be Snape, and surely black hair and a back view is not enough to be sure the other one's Harry Potter. Further evidence, please?

Gez
2009-04-11, 06:09 PM
Normal warlord/caster stat vision clearly doesn't reveal names; if it did, Stanley would have been able to see Jack's name as soon as Maggie suggested addressing him by name.

Or his identity hadn't been restored properly, until the "compos".

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 06:14 PM
I do believe in spooks! I do believe in spooks! I do, I do, I do!

OK, now that I've got that out of my system: are we sure all three of the casters on the left side of the panel are all from the same mythos? Seems a bit odd to me given the eclectic nature of the other references. I can't figure out who else "Hermione" and "Potter" might be, but "Dumbledore" COULD conceivably be Merlin. Definitely can't be Gandalf, as Gandalf wouldn't be caught dead without his signature hat. Or maybe he would (http://www.council-of-elrond.com/castdb/gandalfwhite/gandalfwhite.html).

EDIT: I love that the end of Jeannie's wand is her bottle.

It's weird, yes, but looking at the Movie Pics on Wikipedia, that is definitely Dumbledore. The hat and the robes match exactly. And "Hermione" and "Potter" are dressed in wizarding robes, use generic wands and have the correct hair colors.

On Thinkamancers
The theme seems to be real-world intellectuals - Margaret Thatcher and Carl Sagan being the two we've seen so far. We could have more scientists (Einstein, Dirac, Feynman, Hawking) or more politicians (Goldwater, Nixon, Eisenhower) or we could have something from a different field. Perhaps some mathematicians or other classical figures - Newton, Socrates, Locke.

In any case, it's going to be someone recognizable either by name (Maggie) or by face (Sagan) - I think I'll put my money on classical figures; Socrates specifically. And a side bet on Newton :smallbiggrin:

EDIT:

Also, are you sure that is Jeanie? Princess Zelda also has an outfit identical to that in a couple of the games and on SSMB... complete with the hair.

She has a bottle on the end of her wand. QED :smalltongue:

multilis
2009-04-11, 06:23 PM
Portal to the magic kingdom... does it only transport casters? *Or* does it transport anyone but the casters terminate non casters who use it (to protect their kingdom from invasion and keep the myth of "only casters")

Who in magic kingdom made the spell that brought Parson? If he is really is a hippiemancer, then perhaps the spell for "ultimate warlord" was for sneaky opposite purpose. If he isn't then perhaps hippymancer sees way to use him.

Lamech
2009-04-11, 06:29 PM
The theme seems to be real-world intellectuals - Margaret Thatcher and Carl Sagan being the two we've seen so far. We could have more scientists (Einstein, Dirac, Feynman, Hawking) or more politicians (Goldwater, Nixon, Eisenhower) or we could have something from a different field. Perhaps some mathematicians or other classical figures - Newton, Socrates, Locke.

Four master-class thinkamancers... and the two thinkamancers we have seen so far are both based on real people (Thatcher, Sagan). Any guesses as to who's gonna show up? So who is Bunny (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0111.html)based on? The third thinkamancer you have forgotten.


I'm thinking that the magic kingdom is supposed to be Galt's Gulch.

Either that or it's a reference to the RAND corporation... these are the finest minds in Erf after all...
The first one fits, powerful people all defected off to a secret island where they set up an ideal society? After they were being enslaved? Isn't that what galt said he did.
The second one might fit. How much of casting is "mind", or smarts and how much of it is pointing and blasting? Its the differance between a DnD wizard and a hydra or basilisk.

And this whole scene. It seems to lack any centrilized control. No one is in charge. Janice has to pay other presumably friendly units to get things done. There was no central desicion process to deal with the intruder. There did not appear to be a chain of command. I'm wondering if the magic kingdom has a ruler? Could it be a "cityless side"? Perhaps the ruler got his mind shattered.

Quincunx
2009-04-11, 06:37 PM
Well, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtyJZhV2lQ) would be why Spock is a hippiemancer. Presumably he originated in hobbittm. Egad.

Four master-class thinkamancers... and the two thinkamancers we have seen so far are both based on real people (Thatcher, Sagan). Any guesses as to who's gonna show up?

Two real people who were famous in the '70s, no less. . .

(shudders, briefly, at the thought of an empowered Henry Kissinger showing up)

Cloudbreaker
2009-04-11, 06:38 PM
Wait a minute. The guy with the atom wand is the thinkamancer.

Edit: Also, does anyone find it to be an odd coincidence that there are eight casters in the circle and there are eight classes of magic?

Super Edit: I'm an idiot. It was already established that the atom wand guy was the thinkamancer.

Kreistor
2009-04-11, 06:48 PM
WTF!?!?!?!?!!??!?! Parson's a hippiemancer? No frackin' way! Yarrgh! A treehugger? A peace-nic? He's a gamer: he doesn't care about real things! And he's ruthless now, even if it does come from a sword (and that might just be a placebo effect, because good gamers don't care about their pieces). He's urban: he don't know squat about flowers. He's not spaced out or drug addled! And can you imagine Parson meditating? EVER?

Man, Parson is not going to be happy about that one. The Titans do have a sense of humour.

Wadoka
2009-04-11, 06:53 PM
What about the figure standing just to the left of the left-hand pillar? Somewhat behind "Gandalf/Dumbledore's" wand?

As to "Rand"... why not Rand al'Thor?

It would be a currency of Luckamancy... these Rands let one do the most absolutely bone-headed actions imaginable, and get away with them.

Kyouhen
2009-04-11, 06:56 PM
And this whole scene. It seems to lack any centrilized control. No one is in charge. Janice has to pay other presumably friendly units to get things done. There was no central desicion process to deal with the intruder. There did not appear to be a chain of command. I'm wondering if the magic kingdom has a ruler? Could it be a "cityless side"? Perhaps the ruler got his mind shattered.

I don't think the magic kingdom really is a side at all. The GK casters can go there whenever they want so why can't other sides send their casters through? I think it might be more of a neutral territory for all casters to meet and exchange services. There's no chain of command, you just aren't allowed to fight anyone while there. This could also fit with Sagan's use of normal time units. Not being associated with a side, time in the magic kingdom could move independently of turns being taken elsewhere. Otherwise during Sizemore's first visit he probably would have known immediately when GK's turn had begun.

*Throws Oracle_Hunter a cookie*

Even if Janis is lying I'm still eager to see the explanation behind this. Why would she want to protect Parson?

And one thing I'm more eager to find out is Charlie's reaction to the fact that Parson survived. :smallbiggrin:

Ptorquemada
2009-04-11, 06:57 PM
the two thinkamancers we have seen so far are both based on real people (Thatcher, Sagan). Any guesses as to who's gonna show up?

My guesses: if we stay modern, then Hawking and Asimov seem likely; both would be pretty readily recognizable (wheelchair, distinctive facial hair style). I don't think. If historical figures are fair game, then Franklin (politician AND scientist, plus high pop culture recognition factor; sounds like a lock to me).

Other historical possibilities: Archimedes/Socrates/Plato (or pretty much any of the Greek philosophers; a guy in a tunic and sandals could be any one of them), Newton, Galileo, da Vinci.

I'm trying to figure out why Spockamancer's clothes are what they are. Black pants, sure, but if you're going to go with the white turtleneck then the jacket should be red. Unless it's a Mission Impossible or In Search Of reference; I can't remember what Nimoy usually wore in those.

Stormthorn
2009-04-11, 07:00 PM
As to "Rand"... why not Rand al'Thor?


What would you do with fifty Rand's?

Or even fifty copied of Atlas Shrugged for that matter? Certainly not read them.

Gez
2009-04-11, 07:10 PM
Parson as a Hippiemancer, I can see it to some extent. Parson has...
- been obsessed by the question of free will in Erfworld;
- a cultural bias towards notions of equality and human rights virtually unknown to Erf;
- probably no compunction against using mind-altering substances.


Remember the "a mighty wind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOM7mUaOgtI)" excerpt overheard here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html)?
- Peace: Erfworld appears to be a world designed for constant warfare.
- Freedom: In Erfworld, everyone except the overlords are devoid of free will.
- Equality: Erfworld has three interlocking hierarchical systems; with levels; unit/leader/overlord; and commoner/noble/royal.

Kandarin
2009-04-11, 07:17 PM
Portal to the magic kingdom... does it only transport casters? *Or* does it transport anyone but the casters terminate non casters who use it (to protect their kingdom from invasion and keep the myth of "only casters")

Who in magic kingdom made the spell that brought Parson? If he is really is a hippiemancer, then perhaps the spell for "ultimate warlord" was for sneaky opposite purpose. If he isn't then perhaps hippymancer sees way to use him.

My theory on this:

The Magic Kingdom is indeed a side - and one that has access to unrivaled magical power. The portals, when used, cast an advanced Capture effect on anyone who uses them. Anyone who passes through the portal is automatically added to the Magic Kingdom's side. This evades the rule that units from non-allied sides must attack each other, preventing casters who visit the Magic Kingdom from being forced to attack the natives or each other while saving all other sides the potentially hairy political issues of having to ally with the Kingdom. It also allows the Magic Kingdom to control, and thus disband, anyone who doesn't fit its criteria: i.e. noncasters.


And this whole scene. It seems to lack any centrilized control. No one is in charge. Janice has to pay other presumably friendly units to get things done. There was no central desicion process to deal with the intruder. There did not appear to be a chain of command. I'm wondering if the magic kingdom has a ruler? Could it be a "cityless side"? Perhaps the ruler got his mind shattered.

A side is under no obligation to break up a link that could, after all, be very useful and profitable. Neither does it have an obligation to keep it. Janis has to sway things one way or another.

I'm not sure about whether it has cities or not. The first panel of #11 is kind of fuzzy and those things could be interpreted as cities or groves or whatever. Someone with a stronger opinion than I will no doubt be along to discuss that shortly.

Nekomata
2009-04-11, 07:23 PM
What about the figure standing just to the left of the left-hand pillar? Somewhat behind "Gandalf/Dumbledore's" wand?

That's Spock.

Parson as Hippiemancer... perhaps his players really did slip something in his drink...

Kyouhen
2009-04-11, 07:26 PM
My theory on this:

The Magic Kingdom is indeed a side - and one that has access to unrivaled magical power. The portals, when used, cast an advanced Capture effect on anyone who uses them. Anyone who passes through the portal is automatically added to the Magic Kingdom's side. This evades the rule that units from non-allied sides must attack each other, preventing casters who visit the Magic Kingdom from being forced to attack the natives or each other while saving all other sides the potentially hairy political issues of having to ally with the Kingdom. It also allows the Magic Kingdom to control, and thus disband, anyone who doesn't fit its criteria: i.e. noncasters.

Actually that's a good theory. If the portal simply killed non-caster units Parson would have said he didn't know why he didn't croak, not disband.

tomaO2
2009-04-11, 07:29 PM
Taken down by a nerve pinch?

How utterly humiliating.

I would have prefered it if Parson had pretended it had worked instead of it actually working.

dr pepper
2009-04-11, 07:33 PM
So non-casters disband when they set foot in the magic kingdom? Or maybe just when they portal. And they have a lot of casters.

I highly suspect the hippymancer was a quick lie.

That's a good call. It may be that Janis and whoever else made the summoning scroll did something they don't want the other mages to find out about. But it seems a weak lie. If i were one of the residents of magicians' sanctuary and someone the size of a twoll with a sword longer than my leg showed up suddenly, "hippymancer" is that last thing i'd think. Janis should have said he was some kind of advanced magical construct.

BTW, i think if the Sagan impersonator had been about one degree more condescending, then he would have been perfect.

Grunthos
2009-04-11, 07:42 PM
(shudders, briefly, at the thought of an empowered Henry Kissinger showing up)

If we think of J. Edgar Hoover, J. Edgar Hoover will appear and destroy us!


I'm trying to figure out why Spockamancer's clothes are what they are. Black pants, sure, but if you're going to go with the white turtleneck then the jacket should be red.

Thus my link to The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins, where Nimoy is wearing a slender white turtleneck with a black jacket.

dr pepper
2009-04-11, 07:44 PM
I think the thinkamancer stopped Sizemore's name from being said because it could destroy the link.


That makes sense.

Fez
2009-04-11, 07:45 PM
Btw, in reference to the question of what is a 'rand', a possible guess is that it might be a reference to a 'random number' or rand() or true randomness, ie where the rand() function is usually a pseudo-random result and a die roll for example represents true randomness.

If the magic portal sends mages off the 'map' to a non-place where they somehow learn/buy new stuff and then re-enter the game, its a kind of meta location within the game. And in any game where chance occurs, you're affected by the source of your randomness. Most computer games use a pseudo-random number generator such as rand(), rather than true randomness. Theoretically this won't be much of a problem outside cryptographic and other specialized pursuits. Still, since the magic realm is a nebulous semi-out of game place, the currency that is most valuable might be the rand() rolls or whatever source of randomness that affect the workings game system and world of Erf.

VariaVespasa
2009-04-11, 07:46 PM
[QUOTE=tomaO2;5983950]Taken down by a nerve pinch?

How utterly humiliating.

I would have prefered it if Parson had pretended it had worked instead of it actually working.

How do we know he's not pretending? :P

kreszantas
2009-04-11, 07:47 PM
"Dr. X" = Dr. Xaivar from X-Men would be one of the thinkamancers, wheelchair, all powerful commander of the X-Men at least from the comic perspective in training of mutants. Parson is a mutant to Erf therefore this would fall into line with some of the other themes that I missed until this page.

SteveMB
2009-04-11, 07:49 PM
My theory on this:

The Magic Kingdom is indeed a side - and one that has access to unrivaled magical power. The portals, when used, cast an advanced Capture effect on anyone who uses them. Anyone who passes through the portal is automatically added to the Magic Kingdom's side. This evades the rule that units from non-allied sides must attack each other, preventing casters who visit the Magic Kingdom from being forced to attack the natives or each other while saving all other sides the potentially hairy political issues of having to ally with the Kingdom.

Casters are Commanders (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0094.html), able to lead stacks. The ability to lead a stack includes the ability to refrain from auto-attacking (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html) when in contact with non-allied units. So, there's no need to "evade" that rule; casters are not bound by it anyway.

slayerx
2009-04-11, 07:49 PM
My theory on this:

The Magic Kingdom is indeed a side - and one that has access to unrivaled magical power. The portals, when used, cast an advanced Capture effect on anyone who uses them. Anyone who passes through the portal is automatically added to the Magic Kingdom's side. This evades the rule that units from non-allied sides must attack each other, preventing casters who visit the Magic Kingdom from being forced to attack the natives or each other while saving all other sides the potentially hairy political issues of having to ally with the Kingdom. It also allows the Magic Kingdom to control, and thus disband, anyone who doesn't fit its criteria: i.e. noncasters.

Actually, the auto attack rule only applies to unled units... warlords and their like are able to choose not to attack... since casters are able to lead units like warlords can they likely get the ability to choose whether or not to an attack an un-allied unit when it enter the space... and the magic kingdom is a place heavily populated by casters

BUt still, the portal does likely have some special features to prevent non-casters access

[edit]ninja'd

docstrange
2009-04-11, 07:50 PM
Hey! I know that guy in the very stylish cloak!

Borris
2009-04-11, 07:51 PM
It seems to me that the Magic Kingdom i sjust a no-PVP area accessible only to casters. But I guess we'll learn much more in the few next strips.

Regarding Spock, I don't think it's Spock at all, but rather Leonard Nimoy, despite the pointy ears. As as been mentionned before, he shows a much too wide range of emotions in a single strip to be truly representative of a Vulcan mind, and his clothes look nothing like a Start Trek character's uniform. I'd say they look like Nimoy's in The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04), but he'swearing white pants in that clip. Maybe it's a Spock-Nimoy hybrid?

As for the Spock pinch, I'm not exactly sure what's going on. We clearly see "Spock" attempting, with no effect. And Spock is clearly surprised in the fifth pannel. Was he expecting it to work quicker? Maybe it was just a diversion for Janis to attack Parson from behind.

And when it comes to who the new thinkamancers may be, I doubt we'll see ancient figures like Plato or Aristotle. So far, most (if not all) of the references in Erfworld, have been to 20th century pop culture, from KISS to Charlie's Angels to Elvis to McDonald's. Here we have Carl Sagan, Jeannie, Harry Potter, He-Man, Wizard of Oz, Dr. Strange. So the other thinkamancers are most likely going to be great minds of the 20th as well, though probably from other fields than politics or physics.
Personally, I'm seeing Sigmund Freud as one of the thinkamancer. He already looks like a wizard anyway.

Kilkrazy
2009-04-11, 07:51 PM
One note:

Carl Sagan said that there would be four more thinkamancers arriving in a few minutes. So Erfworlders do have the concept of minutes, and presumably hours, seconds, etc. AFAIK this is the first time we have seen anyone in the comic use conventional units of time (other than the day/night cycle which seemed almost inextricable from the turn based timing system).

It makes sense too, otherwise a side could simply choose never to end turn for whatever reason and screw up the whole system. Each turn presumably has a definite time limit.

In most turn based wargames, each side's turn lasts a turn which takes as long as it takes for the player to finish. The overall length of the gameturn is not affected -- it still lasts as many player turns as there are players.

The moving player always finishes his turn, since not to do so simply causes the game to be suspended. In Erfworld this would be a compulsion on a side's leader to end turn.

It's also possible a turn is ended automatically once all a side's units have performed an action.

Thus it is possible that the flow of time during a turn can vary considerably, and that specific time limits are not involved.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 07:52 PM
So who is Bunny (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0111.html)based on? The third thinkamancer you have forgotten.

Well, TV is a vampire kingdom, so I'm guessing it's a pet name for "Richard" Cheney

*rimshot*

In a more serious vein, TV seems to be the exception to many rules. They aren't humans, to start with, they sleep in coffins, and they drink blood. It is quite possible that their Thinkamancers follow different conventions.

So while I won't scrap my theory, I do admit this is puts a ding in it. Perhaps Thinkamancers can also be modeled after fictional great brains too - I can think of one Bunny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_Adventures#Characters) that fits that description.

EDIT:
Actually looked at the link and realized I hadn't connected Vamp-Chick with Bunny. I'm still sticking to "TV follows different conventions" though :smalltongue:

kreszantas
2009-04-11, 07:58 PM
Well, TV is a vampire kingdom, so I'm guessing it's a pet name for "Richard" Cheney

*rimshot*

In a more serious vein, TV seems to be the exception to many rules. They aren't humans, to start with, they sleep in coffins, and they drink blood. It is quite possible that their Thinkamancers follow different conventions.

So while I won't scrap my theory, I do admit this is puts a ding in it. Perhaps Thinkamancers can also be modeled after fictional great brains too - I can think of one Bunny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_Adventures#Characters) that fits that description.

EDIT:
Actually looked at the link and realized I hadn't connected Vamp-Chick with Bunny. I'm still sticking to "TV follows different conventions" though :smalltongue:


That is because they can convert units by biting them into TV side by the way Cesar and Vinny 'say' the you want her (Jillian) on our side right?

elrod13
2009-04-11, 08:01 PM
Janis reminds me of Janis Joplin for some reason.
Except she is prettier.

Goshen
2009-04-11, 08:05 PM
No wonder Parson waited until the last possible moment before jumping through the gate. Great page.

I vote for the Professor X thinkamancer. And perhaps moondragon too, if we are drawing from the Marvel universe.

SteveD
2009-04-11, 08:07 PM
I don't know why people are guessing that the Magic Kingdom has already heard of the Volcano; we know from previous trips that portal travel is near instantaneous, and Parson left before most of the Coalition troops were croaked. Even then only sides that lost units would know straight away.

I wonder how Jamis will react when she learns of how many Sizemore has killed. With sadness, I'd guess.

Parson a Hippiemancer? Can't see it myself; it destroys the mystery of his character too easily. But I think Jamis has her own agenda here...

Yuki Akuma
2009-04-11, 08:10 PM
My theory on this:

The Magic Kingdom is indeed a side - and one that has access to unrivaled magical power. The portals, when used, cast an advanced Capture effect on anyone who uses them. Anyone who passes through the portal is automatically added to the Magic Kingdom's side. This evades the rule that units from non-allied sides must attack each other, preventing casters who visit the Magic Kingdom from being forced to attack the natives or each other while saving all other sides the potentially hairy political issues of having to ally with the Kingdom. It also allows the Magic Kingdom to control, and thus disband, anyone who doesn't fit its criteria: i.e. noncasters.

Casters lead stacks just like warlords do - they don't autoattack.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 08:10 PM
That is because they can convert units by biting them into TV side by the way Cesar and Vinny 'say' the you want her (Jillian) on our side right?

Perhaps, though since Our Vampires Are Different (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurVampiresAreDifferent) I'm betting they don't; TV forces probably pop just like everyone else - including casters.

As for Jillian, they probably just want to hire Jillian for the time being - it's not like she has any money or much in the way of remaining forces. Once they expand TV into the remains of FAQ they may let her go, or Vinnie might make her one of the founding members of the Kill Team Tool squad.

dr pepper
2009-04-11, 08:22 PM
So what kind of currency do we think Rands are?

I'm thinking that the magic kingdom is supposed to be Galt's Gulch.

Either that or it's a reference to the RAND corporation... these are the finest minds in Erf after all...

Perhaps "rand" is short for "random". That would make it a luckamancy enhancer, like the luck points that some games have. Perhaps some characters get a few points each turn. That would make them a highly valuable medium of exchange between individuals.

dr pepper
2009-04-11, 08:37 PM
"Dumbledore" COULD conceivably be Merlin That was my thought too.

linkhyrule5
2009-04-11, 08:39 PM
Actually, Janis's actioin makes sense. She is a hippiemancer after all, attempting to preserve peace, and killing random people is not very "hippie"ish

Jimor
2009-04-11, 08:42 PM
A couple of reference updates.

The Leonard Nimoy reference and clothing is from him hosting the paranormal investigative show "In Search of..." (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074007/)

Janis might also be Janis Ian, a folk singer of some popularity back in the 70s.

And finally, Sizemore said that time flows differently in the Magic Kingdom and it was hard to keep track, so that's probably why they use minutes and such.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 08:46 PM
A couple of reference updates.

The Leonard Nimoy reference and clothing is from him hosting the paranormal investigative show "In Search of..." (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074007/)

Janis might also be Janis Ian, a folk singer of some popularity back in the 70s.

And finally, Sizemore said that time flows differently in the Magic Kingdom and it was hard to keep track, so that's probably why they use minutes and such.

Not quite - he noted that in the presence of Hippiemancy, your perception of time... crumbles. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html) The Hippiemancers call it "flaking" and it also seems to give you the munchies :smalltongue:

dr pepper
2009-04-11, 09:03 PM
So who is Bunny (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0111.html)based on?

Dondi (http://www.toonopedia.com/dondi.htm)



And this whole scene. It seems to lack any centrilized control. No one is in charge.

Sounds like hippies to me.

Crazy Ivan
2009-04-11, 09:11 PM
2 points:

I support the idea that a Rand is a Random Entity value, which would make it very valuebal in what (to me) ammounts to an extra-planar Curio Shop and Foundery, essentially being traded to be used to forge spells and powers. The question then becomes, if they are infact, finite by the nature of being consumed, how do they generate? (as well as ANY currency in Erfworld)

The idea that the Rand is an intrisicly more useful, and powerful 'commodity' forms up because the Magic kingdom does take Schmuckers, as refferenced when Wanda purchased the Summoning Spell. If the Rand was just a currency, then they would have just demanded Rands, forgoeing the conversion process.

It might also be possible that units still require Upkeep in the Magic kingdom, as well as Rands to form Spells and Items, which gives reason as to why the Magic kingdom essentially functions very near to the way CharelsComm Enterprises functions, but significantly more Neutral.


Second,


As to people wondering about future Thinkamancers appearing:

The general rule we've seen is: Powerful 'thoughtful' figures. However, Bunny is the exception, the name violating the convention. I don't think it's too far off that Bunny could be an early 1900's switchboard girl, given the excessive Mafia/Mob/Gang theme surrounding Transylvito. Possibly, also with a switchboard magical item to facilitate better communications with less strain (considering Maggie was nearly sapped from the Communications Parson put forth, and she seems a fairly compotent Thinkamancers, atleast capable of forming Links). This of course means we could also see communications Masters as well as Telepathy and Intellectual figures. I for one am rooting for Alexander Grahm Bell.


Also; hooray for being an infrequent poster! :smallbiggrin:



P.S. Thought cropped up after posting: Charlie is infact, a very powerful Thinkamancer who acrued a large enough warchest of Rands and Schmuckers and then went rouge, forming his own faction, the Archons being a high Schmucker upkeep unit, that cost Rands to summon, hence why they are so powerful, and presumable costly units to lose, without being 'Overpowered' in terms of game mechanics. It also explains why no one (of the Warlords we know, and possibly the Casters) knows who he is, because he is now using some Foolamancy to cover his origins. It keeps Arkentools in the convention of being 'Tools' and the 'Dish' as a very well crafted Thinkamancy device. But this is just a theory that sparked from random tangents colliding.

reignofevil
2009-04-11, 09:11 PM
In most turn based wargames, each side's turn lasts a turn which takes as long as it takes for the player to finish. The overall length of the gameturn is not affected -- it still lasts as many player turns as there are players.

The moving player always finishes his turn, since not to do so simply causes the game to be suspended. In Erfworld this would be a compulsion on a side's leader to end turn.

It's also possible a turn is ended automatically once all a side's units have performed an action.

Thus it is possible that the flow of time during a turn can vary considerably, and that specific time limits are not involved.

And when your playing a game thats all fine and good.
But none of that stops a kingdom (lets call it gobwin knob) thats surrounded by.... oh..... A very very large amount of angry people (Lets call them the Red Radish Coalition) from just.... not.... ending their turn.
And lets pretend our completely hypothetical tool of the titans (lets call him... Stanley) is JUST vain enough to stop everyone, everywhere, from doing anything ever again.
See why we generally beleive that there is a set time for turns in erfworld?

dr pepper
2009-04-11, 09:15 PM
The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins

Gag! Nimoy must have been really broke to do that one.

dr pepper
2009-04-11, 09:21 PM
Janis reminds me of Janis Joplin for some reason.
Except she is prettier.

It's been the consensus here that that's who she is from the time she first appeared.

BourgeoisJerry
2009-04-11, 09:23 PM
Okay, either there's something a bit odd about this thread, or I'm just seeing things very differently from everybody else. Haven wondered on the very first post why there was no charge on the four thinkamancers, and I kept expecting people to point out what seemed fairly obvious to me, but after reading the first page of this forum and scanning the other pages for a certain name, it appears the impression I got of the last panel is very different from the impression everybody else got.

The impression I got of the last panel was that Sagan was receiving a think-a-gram from Charlescomm. Granted, Charlie has more reason to be interested in Parson than the other three, and he may have no idea that Parson went through the portal, but if he didn't completely rule out that possibility it does make sense for him to check in with the Magic Kingdom, and if he thinks he can get to parson and that mathamancy tool of his I don't think he'll really care about a few rands.

Maybe this is me jumping to conclusions simply because thinkamancy was mentioned and thinkamancy happens to be Charlie's thing. Either way, it seems odd that as far as I've seen nobody seems to have even brought up the possibility.

Zeku
2009-04-11, 09:34 PM
I'm going to cast a vote against the probability of seeing Professor X. The real bottom line is what fits Erfworld's style, and Xavier takes himself a little too seriously to be Erfed. His defining characteristic is that he's reasonable, respected, and in charge of himself. The only way we'd see him is as a diplomat.

It's definitely premature to say that #3 is Harry Potter. It's probably evidence of my cultural ignorance, but the first person I thought of was Hugh Jackman (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00140/The_Prestige_6_140824a.jpg).

All of the wizards were good choices. Among the missing were Moses, Rasputin, Black Mage, Raistlin, Tessa (http://media.strategywiki.org/images/0/0a/SVCC_Tessa.png)/Tabasa (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i315/MRTODDSTER/TessaGIF.gif), and of course Saruman+Gandalf. Who else?

Fjolnir
2009-04-11, 09:42 PM
of course he's a hippiemancer, he's not in the peace love and such style but more the direct action, undermine the status quo, hummer burning, tree spiking style of hippie. you know an anarchist

Godskook
2009-04-11, 09:46 PM
Wow. Just wow. Ok, I'm now expecting to be pissed when this ends. We've just had enough new setup the storyline could continue like this plot for another, what?, 200 comics? By all told, TBfGK isn't going to last that long and the next plotline is going to have 'narrative distance'. Combined, that sounds to me like loose ends are on going to be left loose, and that always angers me. Argh!

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 09:55 PM
The impression I got of the last panel was that Sagan was receiving a think-a-gram from Charlescomm. Granted, Charlie has more reason to be interested in Parson than the other three, and he may have no idea that Parson went through the portal, but if he didn't completely rule out that possibility it does make sense for him to check in with the Magic Kingdom, and if he thinks he can get to parson and that mathamancy tool of his I don't think he'll really care about a few rands.

Maybe this is me jumping to conclusions simply because thinkamancy was mentioned and thinkamancy happens to be Charlie's thing. Either way, it seems odd that as far as I've seen nobody seems to have even brought up the possibility.

Hmm.. possible. If the four master-class Thinkamancers turn out to be Archons, then I think Parson is going to freak out when he wakes up :smalltongue:

But I doubt it, since Charlie is currently watching a huge number of his Archons get incinerated by an impossible volcano trap and feeling very, very angry with Parson for screwing up his plans.

IMHO, there's no charge because everyone likes Sizemore. He's clearly spent a lot of time learning about different schools in the Magic Kingdom and he's a likeable, if meek, guy. It is also possible that Sagan got a Thinkagram from Bunny (or someone in the loop) and they want to find out what happened, exactly.

fractal
2009-04-11, 09:58 PM
And when your playing a game thats all fine and good.
But none of that stops a kingdom (lets call it gobwin knob) thats surrounded by.... oh..... A very very large amount of angry people (Lets call them the Red Radish Coalition) from just.... not.... ending their turn.
And lets pretend our completely hypothetical tool of the titans (lets call him... Stanley) is JUST vain enough to stop everyone, everywhere, from doing anything ever again.
See why we generally beleive that there is a set time for turns in erfworld?
Well, I think we also have evidence that you don't even perceive the turns of sides you're not interacting with. For example, Transylvito and Charlescom never interrupted Bogroll's breakfast before. That's why, in a game with many sides, individuals don't spend almost all of their subjective time waiting.

To apply it to this context, even if there is no hard time limit for sides, sooner or later even a recalcitrant side will end their turn (maybe they get hungry?), and other sides will continue at that point as if nothing out of the ordinary every happened.

Fjolnir
2009-04-11, 10:02 PM
oh and bunny is a play on the other name for transylvito, TV, it's a reference to "rabbit ears" antennae which take in broadcast signals for television.

memetoclast
2009-04-11, 10:02 PM
I highly suspect the hippymancer was a quick lie.

That's quite likely, but looking at the chart (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0040.html) in Parson's Klog, it's interesting to see how all the Gobwin Knob casters' disciplines cluster in the centre. If Parson is a signamancer that would create the link to join them into a solid block (or it would if Misty weren't dead).
Wanda and Sizemore also mention (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0013.html) that the summoning spell pulsed with fate magic, despite being woven by both predicatamancers (fate) and findamancers (erf).

MuthSera
2009-04-11, 10:13 PM
You're kidding, right?

Urh....

I lol'ed. Hard. Every time I see it, I laugh again. -_-

Doshi
2009-04-11, 10:13 PM
Maybe the reason Janis thinks Parson is a Hippiemancer is because she just saw him practicing Hippiemancy? In this page of the comic, Parson is trying to persuade people not to attack him. And until Hippiemancer Janis and "Spock" show up, he's succeeding, despite the fact that his lame excuse, "Maybe I'm really a mathamancer and just didn't know it!", doesn't make a great deal of sense. So why was he able to stop all of those hostile casters from shooting him? Maybe his efforts to calm things down caused him to unconsciously generate flower power?
I suspect that Parson's special ability is the innate ability to generate a variety of magical energies that affect Erfworld units in various ways. If Janis had seen Parson back in Gobwin Knob, when he was trying to make people fight harder, rather than calming things down, she probably wouldn't have thought he was a Hippiemancer, because he wasn't generating flower power there.

DragoonKain
2009-04-11, 10:17 PM
Maybe she's trying to explain his bizarre behavior and lack of stats as a hippiemancer spell gone wrong. He could be quite "stoned".

Kreistor
2009-04-11, 10:22 PM
Actually, I have a suspicion Rand comes from RAND (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND). Note the parallels.


The organization has long since expanded to working with other governments, private foundations, international organizations, and commercial organizations on a host of non-defense issues. RAND is known for its rigorous, interdisciplinary, and strongly quantitative culture of problem solving, which is a result of its pioneering leadership in translating theoretical concepts from formal economics and the hard sciences into novel applications in other areas, effectively spawning the modern field of operations research. To date, 32 recipients of the Nobel Prize, primarily in the fields of economics and physics, have been affiliated with RAND at some point in their career.

What's the Magic Kingdom but a place of research for individuals that provide services to governments, for sociological, economic, and/or militaristic policies?

Rand=random? That suggests the rand has a highly chaotic value making it useless as currency. Even Ayn Rand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand) makes more sense than that.

Kholdstare
2009-04-11, 10:34 PM
As a Whophile, I'm really hoping to see the Doctor make an appearance as a caster. Maybe something related to time. Or maybe even one of the master class thinkamancers called in!

Either way, great strip as it finally shows what happened with parson. That and I'm a fan of the Strange.

Kreistor
2009-04-11, 10:38 PM
The impression I got of the last panel was that Sagan was receiving a think-a-gram from Charlescomm.

Receiving from Charlie? Not possible. You can't cast uness it's your turn, or you're under attack, and Charlescomm turn was over long ago while no one we know of is attacking them. Further, Charlie doesn't know about the link, or he wouldn't have had to ask Parson about the mountain, so how does he know to send help, even if he could off-turn? And why would he send help when he could charge Stanley for the service? And we do not know if Archons are capable of becoming master casters of any school.

This was a sending to (not receiving from), and if they want the link severed quickly, they want Thinkamancers that are on the Magic Kingdom right now: they don't want to wait for Charlescomm turn tomorrow. He's just summoning anyone that happens to be nearby.

The Magic Kingdom appears to be a safe haven for any disbanded casters. With their capture and forced employment being acceptable, it only makes sense that some casters that escaped that fate sought to create a safe place away from the world for casters to escape to easily when threatened with capture. That means that there will be casters staying there semi-permanently while they work out contracts with potential employers, or some with large cash reserves taking an extnded vacation.

The chance that anyone involved in this link break actually works for a side is very slim. Using power in that way would make it unavailable to their employers, violating contracts.

fendrin
2009-04-11, 10:39 PM
Perhaps Janis claimed Parson was a hippiemancer so that he would become subjected to flower power, hopefully negating the ruthlessness of the sword...

As for Nimoy/Spock being a hippiemancer, don't forget Spock's 'disguise (http://www.20thcenturyflicks.co.uk/imagesFilm/1855.jpg)' in The Voyage Home.

EDIT: I would love to see Bester (http://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2005/09/besterthm.jpg) show up to deal with the link.

abb3w
2009-04-11, 10:42 PM
"...and after unraveling the link, I'm going to need every master class Thinkamancer available to unravel this mess."

:smallsmile:

Crazy Ivan
2009-04-11, 10:45 PM
While Kriestor may be on the money about RAND and Rands, I still maintain that they are the baisic unit of construction for Spells/Items. Otherwise, it invalidates the maintnence of a secondary currency, and, further more, we are tasked with what would make a spell 'pop'.

Perhaps a caster could spend turns 'constructing' a spell, or perhaps they may just pop like christmas presents, but the Rand=Spell theory (in my mind) is what would keep someone, like Gobwin Knob, or FAQ from hording crafted spells due to their high number of Casters/highly skilled casters, and then being able to Uncroak volcanoes or something equally silly.

Soronhen
2009-04-11, 10:45 PM
The black haired caster is definitely not Harry. His hair isn't messy at all. He's more likely to be a real-world magician because he's wearing a tux (you can tell from the sleeve) and wielding a magician-style wand with the white tips.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-11, 11:00 PM
The black haired caster is definitely not Harry. His hair isn't messy at all. He's more likely to be a real-world magician because he's wearing a tux (you can tell from the sleeve) and wielding a magician-style wand with the white tips.

So who is he - James Bond? :smalltongue:

Fjolnir
2009-04-11, 11:06 PM
oh it's harry alright, Harry Blackstone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Blackstone,_Jr.), though I dunno if it's senior or junior and he's the hocus-pocus 'mancer for sure

Jon Pander
2009-04-11, 11:11 PM
I would have major problems feeling intimidated by Orko.

Jon Pander
2009-04-11, 11:14 PM
Maybe she's trying to explain his bizarre behavior and lack of stats as a hippiemancer spell gone wrong. He could be quite "stoned".

Maybe he is a hippiemancer.

After all, the inhabitants of Gobwin knob AND its attackers are experiencing peace now.

Peace of the gwave... er... grave. :)

Lamech
2009-04-11, 11:24 PM
Actually, I have a suspicion Rand comes from RAND (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND). Note the parallels.



What's the Magic Kingdom but a place of research for individuals that provide services to governments, for sociological, economic, and/or militaristic policies?

Rand=random? That suggests the rand has a highly chaotic value making it useless as currency. Even Ayn Rand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand) makes more sense than that.
Ayn Rand and the RAND corp. are both good choices. So why not both as the reference? It could even have something random about it as well. All three could be correct. I think it is probably a referance to ayn rand, but it doesn't preclude other reasons.

ishnar
2009-04-12, 12:27 AM
of course he's a hippiemancer, he's not in the peace love and such style but more the direct action, undermine the status quo, hummer burning, tree spiking style of hippie. you know an anarchist

There is a huge difference between those that call themselves anarchists and those that are called anarchists.

An anarchist is an idealist that believes that groups of people acting in self-interest do not need a government. The "wild west" is an example of the anarchist's ideal state, not because anyone can commit crimes, but because in many places the government was not around or strong enough to make a difference, so self-interested people would form a group and fight off invasion or criminals. An anarchist believes that government is more of a problem than a solution.

I'm a realist so I've a few issues with any policy based on idealism.

Fjolnir
2009-04-12, 12:57 AM
I am aware I was applying a label that wasn't correct to parson there, but it was for ease to most people, not due to misinformation. As a member of several "socialist libertarian" groups (not my preferred term but still) in my area, I know the difference, however if you were to talk to some of the people in these groups, you would get a fairly big hippie vibe from a lot of them.
While this is not my viewpoint alot of the time, the fact that there is a visible effect to your actions both positive and negative and this effect is fairly immediate is satisfying. I did food not bombs for a number of years and am an active antiwar protester as well as working with a group to prevent a bioweapons lab in the roxbury district of boston through protests and legal means.(I live in providence but a problem there would be catestrophic for people living in new england in general concidering that boston is a major trade hub AND the amount of urban sprawl in the area)

though that was pretty much the response I figured I would get

Occasional Sage
2009-04-12, 12:58 AM
Though it'd be pretty funny if he was a hippiemancer, someone who brings peace. Of course, one could argue that's precisely what he's meant to do...


You don't need to be a hippy to make peace. Paraphrasing from Robert Frezza's A Small Colonial War (http://www.powells.com/biblio/2-9780345362001-1): "If we can't make a peace, we'll make a solace and call it peace."

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 01:04 AM
oh it's harry alright, Harry Blackstone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Blackstone,_Jr.), though I dunno if it's senior or junior and he's the hocus-pocus 'mancer for sure

Hmm... junior, if this Google Image Search (http://images.google.com/images?q=harry%20blackstone&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi) means anything. The hair looks like it should be browner though...

Mysteryman64
2009-04-12, 01:05 AM
In response to a side not ending their turn, I have to point out that Erfworlders don't seem to have a great track record with thinking outside of the conventions of the world. Not ending your turn probably falls under one of the acts that just simply wouldn't occur to an erfworlder because its so far out from their usual world traditions.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 01:08 AM
In response to a side not ending their turn, I have to point out that Erfworlders don't seem to have a great track record with thinking outside of the conventions of the world. Not ending your turn probably falls under one of the acts that just simply wouldn't occur to an erfworlder because its so far out from their usual world traditions.

I've always figured that every turn has an absolute length since the day does seem to progress into night on its own... and the night is certainly a fixed length. It doesn't usually come into play because Sides can end their Turn early, causing the day to speed forward.

Saladman
2009-04-12, 01:22 AM
The Sagan thinkamancer looking out for Sizemore is plausible since he knows him better than red-hat, but another (and not exclusive) possibility is he's looking out for Maggie. The Magic Kingdom is divided into zones by caster type, and Maggie is a master-class thinkamancer: her order may well want her.

Where do the resident casters come from, anyway? Refugees from defeated sides, or escapees/rejects who would have been disbanded to save on upkeep? Possibly new units can be produced in the Magic Kingdom, but we don't know, and production in cities argues against it. Dividing up the refugees could be standard operating procedure, complicated only by Parson's presence.

Alexei P
2009-04-12, 01:38 AM
If Gobwin Knob was destroyed, it looks like Parson is a Barbarian. Does that finally make him a free agent?

Fafnir13
2009-04-12, 02:06 AM
I just wanted to say that I am very glad to see Parson didn't magically get zapped back to "reality" like so many other series do with their main protagonist.

GreatWyrm
2009-04-12, 02:09 AM
Hmm... fair enough. Besides, if it were Doctor Who, he'd be wielding a Sonic Screwdriver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_screwdriver), wouldn't he?

OK, hopefully final list:

From Left to Right
- Albus Dumbledore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore)
- Hermione Granger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermione_Granger)
- Harry Potter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_(character))
- Carl Sagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan)
- Orko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko)
- Jeannie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie)
- Wicked Witch of the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_witch_of_the_west#The_1939_movie)
- Doctor Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Strange)

I'm going to contend that 3rd is Harry Potter for the following:
His sleeve does not match the style of Hermione's
His hair is sticking up in the front, Harry Potter's hair sticks up in the back.
His wand is too short/stubby.

djharr
2009-04-12, 02:09 AM
As to who Bunny is, I immediately thought of Bunny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_Adventures#Characters) from Robert Aspirin's Myth Adventures series. She is the moll of a powerful gangland figure, and also acts as a part of his brain trust. Admittedly, it is a bit of a stretch, but it was the gangland connection that got me.

Of course, I am likely wrong.

David

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 02:31 AM
I'm going to contend that 3rd is Harry Potter for the following:
His sleeve does not match the style of Hermione's
His hair is sticking up in the front, Harry Potter's hair sticks up in the back.
His wand is too short/stubby.

No, I agree it's not Harry Potter (which is what I think you meant to say) but I have no idea who it is supposed to be. A Generic Magician would be out-of-place among the host of icons.

Harry Blackstone is the latest suggestion, but his hair is brown, not black :smallfrown:

slayerx
2009-04-12, 02:35 AM
Where do the resident casters come from, anyway? Refugees from defeated sides, or escapees/rejects who would have been disbanded to save on upkeep? Possibly new units can be produced in the Magic Kingdom, but we don't know, and production in cities argues against it. Dividing up the refugees could be standard operating procedure, complicated only by Parson's presence.

It could just be simply the case that the magic kingdom acts as a city... and thus is subject to the same rules and thus can pop casters.


If Gobwin Knob was destroyed, it looks like Parson is a Barbarian. Does that finally make him a free agent?

So far, nothing says becoming a barbarian frees you from the service of your ruler should your ruler still be alive... or the spell which summoned Parson to be in service to Stanley would free him just because of barbarianship

GreatWyrm
2009-04-12, 02:42 AM
No, I agree it's not Harry Potter (which is what I think you meant to say) but I have no idea who it is supposed to be. A Generic Magician would be out-of-place among the host of icons.

Harry Blackstone is the latest suggestion, but his hair is brown, not black :smallfrown:

Whoops, yeah, that should've been "contest"..


Houdini? Though Houdini would probably have some handcuffs somewhere...

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 02:45 AM
Houdini? Though Houdini would probably have some handcuffs somewhere...

Nah, hair's not curly enough. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Houdini)

Eldritch_Ent
2009-04-12, 02:45 AM
My question is what kind of Hippiemancer is he? Flower Power? Signamancy? Date-o-Mancy?

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 02:54 AM
My question is what kind of Hippiemancer is he? Flower Power? Signamancy? Date-o-Mancy?

It's highly unlikely that Parson is actually a Hippiemancer.

Janis likely intervened out of the goodness of her heart - only as a Hippiemancer could she claim Parson to be under her protection. If she had just supported that he was a Mathemancer or Luckamancer then all it would have taken is one Master of each to debunk him and get him zapped.

Besides - Parson, the man who just killed, what, three or four thousand people (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0096.html), being someone who calms down aggressors? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0013.html) Ha!

Jon Pander
2009-04-12, 03:29 AM
The red one? He's from He-Man masters of the Universe.

I love all trhe referneces.:smallbiggrin:

Orko. His name is Orko.

And he sucks at magic, if based on the cartoon. :)

I also think I see Dr. Strange in that panel as well.

Turbidus
2009-04-12, 03:33 AM
Why is Parson rendered unconscious? From the point of view of the casters, it's probably a good idea to neutralize an unknown sword-wielding giant of a man. Why not just killed outright then? Wouldn't fit Hippiemancy too well. And making the connections between Spock, the pinch and This Side of Paradise to tie in with Hippiemancy is entertaining enough. It makes enough sense to me.

But I still wonder if this wasn't also done to grant the readers some information without making it known to Parson - exposition that couldn't be done in a klog. This suggests to me that Janis is not lying about Parson. Or perhaps we will receive more information while Parson is still unconscious. If we don't, I'm going to assume Janis was speaking the truth here.

The grey-clad wizard next to the portal is neither Gandalf nor Dumbledore. Gandalf should have a staff instead of a wand (Orko seems to have a staff so it's not like everyone gets a wand) and Dumbledore should wear flamboyant purple robes. To draw an instantly recognizable character of either would IMHO require those elements.

Jon Pander
2009-04-12, 03:35 AM
It's highly unlikely that Parson is actually a Hippiemancer.

Janis likely intervened out of the goodness of her heart - only as a Hippiemancer could she claim Parson to be under her protection. If she had just supported that he was a Mathemancer or Luckamancer then all it would have taken is one Master of each to debunk him and get him zapped.


He ended a war. Now there's peace.... since everyone's dead.

Okay maybe that doesn't actually fit :)

I don't think it's a lie that he registers as some sort of caster, or the portal may not have let him through in the first place


Besides - Parson, the man who just killed, what, three or four thousand people (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0096.html), being someone who calms down aggressors? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0013.html) Ha!
Actually he killed a lot more than that. Heck he killed almost 3000 in the tunnels alone.

And another 3000+ when the volcano erupted.

And who knows how many from the collapsing of the city.

And 40% of the siege with his dwagon hit and run tactics.

And a smaller number of FoxMUD when they charged the dungeon

But hippies are a violent people. Eating nothing but ocra and soybean and not bathing or shaving or practicing basic hygeine can make anyone crazy.

Zictor
2009-04-12, 03:37 AM
So, I agree with the Rand being a random unit that powers up magic.

I Also think that Parson really IS a hippie-mancer. That's why the portal did not disband him. Although there might be unique things about him nobody knows.

The first magician would be one of the following: Gandalf/Merlin/Dumbledore, although I think Dumbledore is the less likely one.

The Second one DOES look like Hermione.

I can't come up with a good identity for the third one. Maybe Mandrake?


I don't know why people sepculate so much here. Why is it so unthinkable that PArson is a hippiemancer?

I think it is actually pretty funny.

Jon Pander
2009-04-12, 03:41 AM
If Gobwin Knob was destroyed, it looks like Parson is a Barbarian. Does that finally make him a free agent?

Or Parson might not be a barbarian, since he's still under Stanley, and Stanley is a barbarian. Not sure how it works when you're under a barbarian. Jillian referred to them as 'her units' but didn't refer to them as barbarians by name, as she referred to herself. Possible though.

Or it could be that Gobwin Knob doesn't count as being 'destroyed' in game terms - just a level 1 city with no structures.

Or going through the portal -could- have broken whatever link Parson has to Stanley... which would make Parson either a barbarian or, because of his extraerfly status, something entirely different.

Or, if he really is a caster, maybe he's can take advantage of the same rules which other casters take when their city is destroyed. We've never actually seen if casters become barbarians or not. That might be the entire purpose of the magic kingdom - so when a city falls, if the caster gets away, they survive, because they CANT become barbarians like warlords can.

Lotta possible choices.

Jon Pander
2009-04-12, 03:45 AM
I don't know why people sepculate so much here. Why is it so unthinkable that PArson is a hippiemancer?

Hrm... he gets the munchies and eats happy meals and subs.

He has a fondness for eating peeps.

His cleanliness leaves a lot to be desired.

He wears wierd colored glasses (yes I know they're 3-D, play along with me here)

All we need is him to grow a beard or play a guitar and stop wearing shoes, and he just might be a hippie after all.

The most warlike hippie of all.

Ultra-Hippie-Destructo.

Glome
2009-04-12, 03:55 AM
It's highly unlikely that Parson is actually a Hippiemancer.

Janis likely intervened out of the goodness of her heart - only as a Hippiemancer could she claim Parson to be under her protection. If she had just supported that he was a Mathemancer or Luckamancer then all it would have taken is one Master of each to debunk him and get him zapped.

Besides - Parson, the man who just killed, what, three or four thousand people (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0096.html), being someone who calms down aggressors? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0013.html) Ha!

Actually, Parson did calm down aggression by ensuring there was nobody left to wage war. But that isn't the point, Erfworld is filled with people who defy traditional stereotypes, and Parson being a hippiemancer fits right in that theme.

Regardless of how many people you kill, you aren't going to change your basic unit type. So we have to look at the Parson who was summoned by the spell, who had fought thousands of battles and hadn't killed anything larger than a spider. A Parson who was able to get people to work together and bring out the best in people. That is a Parson who I can see being a hippiemancer.

Plus it is not like he wanted to set off a WMD, he only used it when duty left him with no other option and he pursued every other path to avoid such a situation. Think of him like Oppenheimer who helped invent the nuclear bomb and spent the rest of his life fighting against the use of the weapon he helped create.

And the way Janis said Parson was a hippiemancer was almost as a afterthought to an already unconscious Parson, she didn't say 'Wait, don't kill him, he's a hippiemancer', and she even went to the trouble of putting a guard on him instead of guarding him herself, which she probably wouldn't do if she was trying to keep a secret.

Plus, I really can't imagine her not wanting to know why he could use the gate if it wasn't because he was a hippiemancer. I really don't think Parson was in any immediate danger to his life when he was unconscious and they didn't know how he got there. Being scholarly wizards, their next step would be to find out who he really is and how he got through the gate, not to kill him.

Bobnik
2009-04-12, 04:25 AM
I wonder if Parson's luckamancy got him through the portal? That is, if he's not truly a caster.

Sappo7
2009-04-12, 05:01 AM
He's a Signamancer.

You see, he worked at "kinko's"...

It's such an awful pun I think it has to be the answer.

Gez
2009-04-12, 05:14 AM
The idea that the Rand is an intrisicly more useful, and powerful 'commodity' forms up because the Magic kingdom does take Schmuckers, as refferenced when Wanda purchased the Summoning Spell. If the Rand was just a currency, then they would have just demanded Rands, forgoeing the conversion process.

I still think that "schmuckers" are used by overlords, while rands are used just by units (maybe only caster units).

ishnar
2009-04-12, 05:51 AM
Well, this isn't like the Red girl dead argument. There are good reasons why this could go either way.

First, Parson being a soldier doesn't stop him from being a hippy. Lots of hippies were drafted. Many soldiers that were drafted became hippies after the draft. A hippy can hate war with a firey passion, but when their life is on the line, they fought just as passionately. Hippy doesn't mean shirk responsibility. Lots dodged the draft, but many did their duty. Others raised children, another form of responsibility.

Panel one is interesting. Obviously we are supposed to assume Janis is restraining Spocky. But what if the artist is deliberately misleading the readers by giving Spocky his looks to make us assume the nerve pinch comes from his own power. Maybe Janis is charging Spocky's hand with flower power and Spocky's main power is stealth and surprise. If she did impart flower power, maybe the fact that Parson had a moment of resistance was the telling point?

Meh, I still believe she's just covering for him, but if he turns out to be a hippymancer, I won't be disappointed.

Glome
2009-04-12, 06:10 AM
.

Panel one is interesting. Obviously we are supposed to assume Janis is restraining Spocky. But what if the artist is deliberately misleading the readers by giving Spocky his looks to make us assume the nerve pinch comes from his own power. Maybe Janis is charging Spocky's hand with flower power and Spocky's main power is stealth and surprise. If she did impart flower power, maybe the fact that Parson had a moment of resistance was the telling point?


That is actually a good point either way. I was assuming he resisted the nerve pinch because he is a big guy, but if either Spock here is a hippiemancer or Janis imparted the ability to him, Parson resisting the pinch might have been the telling sign that Parson was indeed a hippiemancer. Otherwise it just might be 'mancers can recognize their own kind even without points being visible.

Yuki Akuma
2009-04-12, 06:33 AM
Orko. His name is Orko.

And he sucks at magic, if based on the cartoon. :)

I also think I see Dr. Strange in that panel as well.

Actually, Orko is a master-class magician.

It's just that the laws of magic are different on Eternia and he hasn't adapted yet.

Sancdar
2009-04-12, 06:36 AM
Ok, so the snakes have always been there. I guess I just didn't notice it before because there were so few. But why are the snakes there? :smalltongue:

Honestly, who put these motherbooping snakes on this motherbooping plane?

memnarch
2009-04-12, 06:43 AM
My question is how did all those casters manage to get around the portal so quickly? I mean, it wasn't that long between the trimancer going through and Parson following.

Kasavin
2009-04-12, 06:54 AM
Hmmm... was it actually confirmed that the city was "destroyed?" and not merely reduced to level 1 or 0? Very early on Parson suggested destroying the city to deny the opponent victory (while killing plenty) and I believe Sizemore shot him down saying the opponents would just retake the ground and rebuilt. It suggests that cities in Erfworld are a constant.

If thats the case, there would still be a Gobwin Knob side, as no one was left alive to merely walk into the city and claim it. Now, income might have been reduced to zero, but there was still a sizable treasury and a lot of fat just got trimmed from the budget, meaning enough funds to pay upkeep for the time being.

pclips
2009-04-12, 06:57 AM
Honestly, who put these motherbooping snakes on this motherbooping plane?

A winner is you, Sancdar.

factotum
2009-04-12, 07:19 AM
My question is how did all those casters manage to get around the portal so quickly? I mean, it wasn't that long between the trimancer going through and Parson following.

Given the way Erfworld mechanics work, I reckon there are likely to be a lot of units within the same hex as the portal, and they wouldn't have to spend any move to reach it. Either that, or the portal is in the Magic Kingdom equivalent of a city, in which case the same applies.

hidufel
2009-04-12, 07:34 AM
I'm reading this latest and thinking to myself... there is no way that nerve pinch should work... parson is wearing armor! if you look at panel 4 there is no way that hand had enough contact with nerve clusters to work... he was 90 percent on armor, rather then shirt. remember bogroll had armor made to look just like parsons shirt.

As for parson... he himself doesn't thinking the world considers him a unit... last paragraph here http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html has him wondering that. If hes not a unit, then he probably can go through the portal and not be disbanded because the world doesn't consider him anything that CAN be disbanded.

As for being a hippiemancer... parson couldn't see his own stats, i don't think the hippiemancer could either. so i am agreeing with folks who think shes just covering up for him... if she cant see his stats, she may be intrigued enough to get to the bottom of that mystery... so claiming him as a hippiemancer can give plausible deniability.

SteveD
2009-04-12, 07:36 AM
My question is how did all those casters manage to get around the portal so quickly? I mean, it wasn't that long between the trimancer going through and Parson following.

The hippie glade is supposed to be close to the portal garden.

Goshen
2009-04-12, 07:57 AM
Gag! Nimoy must have been really broke to do that one.Each major member of the original Star Trek cast made an album, nearly all of them trancendently awful. It was the 60's! All the musical creativity of the time produced a lot of dross along with the diamonds. This song by William Shatner will have you laughing or barfing or both:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hTtsqiFCc

Shatner has gone on to build an industry making fun of himself, and his current stuff really is funny.

shamelessmerc
2009-04-12, 08:10 AM
So as far as I can see the currency debate goes

Rand = RANDcorp/Galt's Gulch - the currency of free-market loving geniuses

Rand = Rand-om unit of magic, the negotiable building block of a magic based economy (I actualy really like this one, it makes a lot of sense if you know a bit about economics)

with a lonely vote for Rand al' Thor (not being masocistic enough to read Robert Jordan, I can't comment) and for the obvious but unlikley South African Rand.

Have I missed any?

fendrin
2009-04-12, 08:11 AM
Hmm... It's clear that Parson expected to be disbanded, but thought that would be better than croaking.

Did he expect to be disbanded by the Portal, or by Stanley because the city fell (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0078.html)?

I know there has been a lot of speculation based the portal being caster only, but other than the possibly misleading statements on this page, do we have any evidence of that?


My question is how did all those casters manage to get around the portal so quickly? I mean, it wasn't that long between the trimancer going through and Parson following.

Portal Park seems like a busy place (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0013.html) (see panel 5).


The hippie glade is supposed to be close to the portal garden.

Looking at the aerial view (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html) of MK, it looks like Portal Park is in the center of the island, making each of the other zones equidistant from it.


I'm reading this latest and thinking to myself... there is no way that nerve pinch should work... parson is wearing armor! if you look at panel 4 there is no way that hand had enough contact with nerve clusters to work... he was 90 percent on armor, rather then shirt. remember bogroll had armor made to look just like parsons shirt.

Ah, but but remember, it's a Vulcan nerve pinch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_nerve_pinch), which is applied to the neck. Parson's armor doesn't cover his neck, and there is definite hand-to-neck contact in panel 4. Interesting information on that page of possible real-world explanations of the pinch, though for the most part they are non-instantaneous... perhaps that explains the delayed effect on Parson?


As for parson... he himself doesn't thinking the world considers him a unit... last paragraph here http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html has him wondering that. If hes not a unit, then he probably can go through the portal and not be disbanded because the world doesn't consider him anything that CAN be disbanded.
Interesting... perhaps a side effect of the spell is that ONLY the spell can disband him... or maybe he can't be disbanded at all and Stanley and Wanda are wrong on that account (Stanley is one to leap to conclusions, Wanda would see it as a useful way to control Parson even if she knew it were false).


As for being a hippiemancer... parson couldn't see his own stats, i don't think the hippiemancer could either. so i am agreeing with folks who think shes just covering up for him... if she cant see his stats, she may be intrigued enough to get to the bottom of that mystery... so claiming him as a hippiemancer can give plausible deniability.
The general lack of reaction (other than from Stanley) to Parson's lack of stats reinforces for me the notion that commanders can only see stats for units of their own side and the table display of Jillian's stats was an effect of the eyemancer trio (maybe lookamancers or thinkamancers have a way to get that info, or maybe the link allowed them to do something otherwise possible, akin to waking the volcano)

Lamech
2009-04-12, 08:28 AM
The general lack of reaction (other than from Stanley) to Parson's lack of stats reinforces for me the notion that commanders can only see stats for units of their own side and the table display of Jillian's stats was an effect of the eyemancer trio (maybe lookamancers or thinkamancers have a way to get that info, or maybe the link allowed them to do something otherwise possible, akin to waking the volcano)
We've only seen part of the conversation, and there are many things to exclaim on. Like Parson being a hippymancer, or a warlord being in the magic kingdom. And if commanders can't see enemy stats how would Jillian know leadership was lost (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0127.html)?

I still don't think we have conclusive evidence.

HandofShadows
2009-04-12, 08:28 AM
An interesting page. I expected to see Stanley before we got back to Parson. I think that Parson is responding to someone asking/demanding why he was not disbanded by the portal (As a note, I AM waiting for a cake to show up sometime in here :smallamused: ). Parson had been on the other side of the portal for a bit as he went into the portal without his sword being drawn. I figure that he would have only drawn it after the casters started pulling wands/staffs on him. Parson is clealry trying to talk his way out of it before getting hit by the never pinch.
As to why Janis might "claim" Parson, it can go a number of ways. Janis could be lying to keep things peaceful, she also might be thinking that Parson is a bit "hippy" as well. If a normal Erf warlord (or nearly any unit that was not a caster)came though the portal and had a bunch of wands pointed at him I strongly suspect they would attack no matter what the odds. But here we have Parson trying to talk his way of a fight. Very un-Erf like.

fendrin
2009-04-12, 08:35 AM
Each major member of the original Star Trek cast made an album, nearly all of them trancendently awful. It was the 60's! All the musical creativity of the time produced a lot of dross along with the diamonds. This song by William Shatner will have you laughing or barfing or both:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hTtsqiFCc

If you're gonna post a video of Shatner 'singing', why not go for the real deal? These are from the 70's.

Sinatra's "It Was a Very Good Year" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GAjK64VZg)
Elton John's "Rocketman" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN3MGN899yE)


We've only seen part of the conversation, and there are many things to exclaim on. Like Parson being a hippymancer, or a warlord being in the magic kingdom. And if commanders can't see enemy stats how would Jillian know leadership was lost (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0127.html)?

I still don't think we have conclusive evidence.
Jillian could have observed that the dwagons were suddenly much less effective when they lost Stanley's massive bonuses (leadership,artifact, and probably the dance fighting bonus too)
I agree though that there is no conclusive evidence.

the_tick_rules
2009-04-12, 09:10 AM
What magical combo is hippiemancery again? So they're froze up during the portal? They were lucid enough to go through it. Talking about money and charging? Maybe the guy is Charlie.

Faramir
2009-04-12, 09:17 AM
Who in magic kingdom made the spell that brought Parson? If he is really is a hippiemancer, then perhaps the spell for "ultimate warlord" was for sneaky opposite purpose. If he isn't then perhaps hippymancer sees way to use him.

Ah, someone beat me to it. Yes it only just occurred to me with this strip that the Magic Kingdom devised the spell that brought Parson here and might just have slipped something extra into it.

Sweetie Welf
2009-04-12, 09:35 AM
Ah, someone beat me to it. Yes it only just occurred to me with this strip that the Magic Kingdom devised the spell that brought Parson here and might just have slipped something extra into it.


Unlikely. What profit could they have? These guys are contract worker and have a reputation to lose. And they probably wouldn't be too happy if a hippiemancer shows off and screws around their work.
Even if this was some complex cabal by the magic kingdom itself, it was some really overcomplicated stuff. And badly executed. If they wanted the spell to work, they wouldn't have made an distinction between the spell itself and and the casting and only offered a packet. And lowered the price massively.

The Minx
2009-04-12, 09:37 AM
In most turn based wargames, each side's turn lasts a turn which takes as long as it takes for the player to finish. The overall length of the gameturn is not affected -- it still lasts as many player turns as there are players.

The moving player always finishes his turn, since not to do so simply causes the game to be suspended. In Erfworld this would be a compulsion on a side's leader to end turn.

It's also possible a turn is ended automatically once all a side's units have performed an action.

Thus it is possible that the flow of time during a turn can vary considerably, and that specific time limits are not involved.

Yes, that's true; though there are turn based games with a time limit for turns, from ancients such as Chess to classics such as Age of Wonders, etc, etc. And it makes sense that there should be a limit for reasons already mentioned (namely, what if someone refuses to end turn for whatever reason? He can also prevent one or more of his units from taking an action and halt things that way).

As for minutes being a variable time span, how could that be, since you don't know in advance when your ruler will end turn?

T-O-E
2009-04-12, 10:06 AM
Hope the next update answers some questions.

sbarrie
2009-04-12, 10:10 AM
I'm going to cast a vote against the probability of seeing Professor X. The real bottom line is what fits Erfworld's style, and Xavier takes himself a little too seriously to be Erfed. His defining characteristic is that he's reasonable, respected, and in charge of himself. The only way we'd see him is as a diplomat.


Wait, I thought Charlie was Professor X. I've been looking at this whole comic all wrong!

And Prof. X's defining characteristic is that he's a jerk.

VariaVespasa
2009-04-12, 10:36 AM
As to who Bunny is, I immediately thought of Bunny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_Adventures#Characters) from Robert Aspirin's Myth Adventures series. She is the moll of a powerful gangland figure, and also acts as a part of his brain trust. Admittedly, it is a bit of a stretch, but it was the gangland connection that got me.

Of course, I am likely wrong.

David

I'm inclined to second your opinion. She acted as Skeeves secretary, which is the most common role thinkamancers tend to fulfill in Erf, she was the daughter of a mob boss, acted as Skeeves Moll for official purposes (even if not really in practice), and there was a vampire connection in the books near the end there, although its been long enough I forget if the vampire(s) were a one-off, or if one or more became recurring characters.

Vreejack
2009-04-12, 10:42 AM
And if commanders can't see enemy stats how would Jillian know leadership was lost (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0127.html)?

In table-top games you can tell pretty quickly when the bonuses have changed by the frequency of success and failure changing. This is actually more obvious in computer games where there can be a lot of dice rolls (maybe hundreds per minute) to compare, but it is not unusual to notice the shift in combat before you have discovered the reason.

When fighting a fixed number of opponents MMORPG power players can usually spot the expiration of a buff by the speed at which their health or other stats declines.

Kreistor
2009-04-12, 11:29 AM
It is certainly within the ralm of possibility that Janis lied about Parson being a Hippiemancer. It would be like a hippie to calm a situation by lying in a way no one else present could disprove.

However, I think the humour factor of Parson dealing with being a Hippiemancer far outweighs the lack of any casting in him at all. It really is a cruel joke to make Parson, a great Warlord, a master of the most peaceful magic of all.

Of course, Sun Tzu would be perfectly satisfied with this. For him, the best war is one in which not a single soldier on either side dies. Parson being able to end battles peacefully, wtihout resorting to ruthlessness, would get two thumbs up from the top man of warfare.

milele
2009-04-12, 11:52 AM
oh it's harry alright, Harry Blackstone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Blackstone,_Jr.), though I dunno if it's senior or junior and he's the hocus-pocus 'mancer for sure

Too bad it's not Harry Dresden, now that I think of it

Kreistor
2009-04-12, 12:26 PM
Okay, let's organize this. Using 140.2, and counting clockwise from Parson:

Sizemore
Maggie
Wanda
White robe, Red cape
Wicked Witch (Wizard of Oz, East or West)
Firiona Vie (Everquest box cover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everquest)) wrong colours but that may be to deflect copyright claims
Orko from He-man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko)(also similar to Black Mage of Final Fantasy). Wizard class in EQ. Shockmancy would be nearest equivalent in Erfworld.
Guy in Blazer, probably Thinkamancer, given later attempts at contacting others and knowledge of number of Thinkamancers available. (I think I should know who this is. There was a debunked psychic from the 70's or 80's that I think looked like this guy, and the blazer is consistent with that time frame. Name won't come to me, and Wiki isn't helping.)
Black suited magician (potentially Harry Blackthorn Sr. or Jr., both costumed similarly), probably Stagemancer, potentially Carnymancy with no Hat around
Brown robed caster
Blue-grey robed, white bearded caster, Gandalf-esque. Could be any class. Gandalf was not well defined.

Behind Portal:
Janis, Hippiemancer
Nimoy/Vulcan, dressed for "In Search Of" show, which may indicate Findamancy, Predictamancy, Mathamancy, or Weirdomancy (given "In Search Of"'s subject matter), but neck-pinch will come from Vulcan heritage, not spellcasting. If you disagree with the Pinch from Race, then it may indicate Deletionism (deleting Parson's consciousness)

MReav
2009-04-12, 12:29 PM
So as far as I can see the currency debate goes

Rand = RANDcorp/Galt's Gulch - the currency of free-market loving geniuses

Rand = Rand-om unit of magic, the negotiable building block of a magic based economy (I actualy really like this one, it makes a lot of sense if you know a bit about economics)

with a lonely vote for Rand al' Thor (not being masocistic enough to read Robert Jordan, I can't comment) and for the obvious but unlikley South African Rand.

Have I missed any?

Ayn Rand maybe?

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 12:36 PM
Okay, let's organize this. Using 140.2, and counting clockwise from Parson:Sizemore
Maggie
Wanda
White robe, Red cape
Wicked Witch (Wizard of Oz, East or West)
Firiona Vie (Everquest box cover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everquest)) wrong colours but that may be to deflect copyright claims
Orko from He-man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko)(also similar to Black Mage of Final Fantasy). Wizard class in EQ. Shockmancy would be nearest equivalent in Erfworld.
Guy in Blazer, probably Thinkamancer, given later attempts at contacting others and knowledge of number of Thinkamancers available. (I think I should know who this is. There was a debunked psychic from the 70's or 80's that I think looked like this guy, and the blazer is consistent with that time frame. Name won't come to me, and Wiki isn't helping.)
Black suited magician (potentially Harry Blackthorn Sr. or Jr., both costumed similarly), probably Stagemancer, potentially Carnymancy with no Hat around
Brown robed caster
Blue-grey robed, white bearded caster, Gandalf-esque. Could be any class. Gandalf was not well defined.

Behind Portal:
Janis, Hippiemancer
Nimoy/Vulcan, dressed for "In Search Of" show, which may indicate Findamancy, Predictamancy, Mathamancy, or Weirdomancy (given "In Search Of"'s subject matter), but neck-pinch will come from Vulcan heritage, not spellcasting. If you disagree with the Pinch from Race, then it may indicate Deletionism (deleting Parson's consciousness)

I think we're pretty sure on most of these, actually:
From Left to Right
- Albus Dumbledore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore)
- Hermione Granger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermione_Granger)
- Harry Potter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_(character))
- Carl Sagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_sagan)
- Orko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orko)
- Jeannie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie)
- Wicked Witch of the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_witch_of_the_west#The_1939_movie)
- Doctor Strange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Strange)

All of the reference pictures (follow links) match pretty perfectly. The only one who isn't right is "Harry Potter" - the sleeve to too tight to be a wizarding robe and the wand is a "stage magic" wand.

Harry Blackstone Jr. seems like the best guess, judging from these pictures (http://blackstonemagic.com/id28.htm). Senior had poofier hair and although Jr. had brown hair, the style fits.

EDIT:
The nerve pinch worked because it was magic. Parson didn't expect it to work because Spock tried to do it through his armor - but since it was magic, that didn't matter.

gerrymander
2009-04-12, 12:38 PM
So as far as I can see the currency debate goes

Rand = RANDcorp/Galt's Gulch - the currency of free-market loving geniuses

Rand = Rand-om unit of magic, the negotiable building block of a magic based economy (I actualy really like this one, it makes a lot of sense if you know a bit about economics)

with a lonely vote for Rand al' Thor (not being masocistic enough to read Robert Jordan, I can't comment) and for the obvious but unlikley South African Rand.

Have I missed any?

I've got one: James Randi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi) is the real-world stage magician who has an outstanding cash offer of a million dollars to anyone who can prove paranormal activity. Naming units of tradable magic power in Erf after him takes the same kind of comidic sense we've seen elsewhere in the series.

Gez
2009-04-12, 01:03 PM
Ayn Rand maybe?

Covered by "Galt's Gulch".

SomeUnregPunk
2009-04-12, 02:06 PM
Parson isn't a unit since no one can see his stats...
he can't cast magic...http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html

so what is he? Maybe he's a Tool.

[edit]
sorry, i just reread some of the comic...he is a unit.. he gives a bonus of 2 to all units he leads. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html

well he is something different. He can't cast magic but he can use magic tools, like his calculator and his arm bracer and that sword/hilt, and those 3d glasses.
But he couldn't cast Luckamancy for Bogroll.

Athelian
2009-04-12, 02:55 PM
The third mage in the circle, the one that is being referred to as Harry Potter? Try Hoffa/Blackthorn. Or, another Stage magician -

He is wearing a french cuff shirt.

That is a suit, not a robe.

Stagemancy.

Suicide Junkie
2009-04-12, 03:04 PM
I've got one: James Randi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi) is the real-world stage magician who has an outstanding cash offer of a million dollars to anyone who can prove paranormal activity. Naming units of tradable magic power in Erf after him takes the same kind of comidic sense we've seen elsewhere in the series.If there are only one million rands in the whole world and they can only be traded, not created or destroyed, that would make 50 rands quite an attractive offer.
Only 8 rands (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html) for magic training, too.

ishnar
2009-04-12, 03:13 PM
It is certainly within the ralm of possibility that Janis lied about Parson being a Hippiemancer. It would be like a hippie to calm a situation by lying in a way no one else present could disprove.

However, I think the humour factor of Parson dealing with being a Hippiemancer far outweighs the lack of any casting in him at all. It really is a cruel joke to make Parson, a great Warlord, a master of the most peaceful magic of all.

Of course, Sun Tzu would be perfectly satisfied with this. For him, the best war is one in which not a single soldier on either side dies. Parson being able to end battles peacefully, wtihout resorting to ruthlessness, would get two thumbs up from the top man of warfare.

Well, Parson did say that it is best to achieve one's objectives without even fighting if possible. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0137.html)

And I appreciate the humor of making Parson a beginner hippiemancer too. Not cruel though. Generals that didn't inherit their position tend dislike war very much, they just take their responsibility to their charges lives more seriously. One of the biggest reasons millitary leaders who hate war stay on and lead is because they firmly believe that if they abandoned the post, more of their charges would die than if they remained. Now people that inherit their generalship, like Alexander, well, that's a whole different thing alltogether.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 03:13 PM
The third mage in the circle, the one that is being referred to as Harry Potter? Try Hoffa/Blackthorn. Or, another Stage magician -

He is wearing a french cuff shirt.

That is a suit, not a robe.

Stagemancy.

Could be Jimmy Hoffa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa) - the hair is right.

I gotta say, #3 just has me stumped :smallconfused:

Kreistor
2009-04-12, 03:17 PM
Albus Dumbledore
Hermione Granger
Harry Potter


One would be from HP, but not all three. I don't see the author referencing one source three times. Gandalf is far more likely for the first, and Blackthorn for the third. I'm okay with Hermione for the middle, but there's little enough distinguishing about that character, so she might be someone else. A lot of TV witches are blonde, so most are out for her.


Carl Sagan[/URL]

Sagan was a scientist, and everyone else are characters.

Okay, I remembered the Psychic -- Uri Geller. But I can't find any images of Geller wearing that get up, so he's out.

By clothing, Sagan does fit best, but I do repeat: he's the odd man out. Everyone else is fictional. Let's not close book on this one. There may be someone fictional out there that fits that we haven't thought of yet.

[quote]Jeannie

Jeannie wore balloon pantaloons, not a dress. The single ponytail from the top of the head is exactly like Firiona, and only the colour of the dress is wrong. The Erfworld version also seems to have pointed ears, which is consistent with FV (an elf) but not Jeannie.


Doctor Strange

Dang, I should have gotten this... that is blue for a shirt, inside the thin white line, isn't it? I didn't notice that first time around. That high collar on the cloak should have clued me in right off.


The nerve pinch worked because it was magic. Parson didn't expect it to work because Spock tried to do it through his armor - but since it was magic, that didn't matter.

I'm not saying it wasn't magic. We know that there are Natural Magics, like Archon flight and Contract. One would hope blood drinking and flight were natural magics for Transylvito vamps, for instance. The Vulcan nerve pinch is a racial ability for vulcans so it would be most consistent if it were a natural ability for the Vulcan/Nimoy.

ishnar
2009-04-12, 03:21 PM
Parson isn't a unit since no one can see his stats...
he can't cast magic...http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0142.html



He said he tried to cast luckamancy and nothing happened. He didn't say that he tried to cast every type of magic and failed. Failing to cast luckamancy then doesn't mean he lacks the potential. The Magic Kindgom trains people to use magic, so it could well be that Parson just needs training.

Dancingrage
2009-04-12, 03:51 PM
I'm not surprised to hear of the hippiemancer bit, and actually think it sticks, oddly enough.

I don't know word one about Hippiemancy (and would love to hear more, btw), but I suspect it's less to do about thunder, lightning, dirt and croak so much as it is about fudging stuff. You know, tweak a number here, pinch a bit of time there, stuff it elsewhere where it's more needed, etc. Subtle stuff like 'flaking' that you wouldn't notice unless you managed to put 2 and 2 together later on. You know, kinda like we're doing now on where he managed to get all that time offensively and defensively to get all his actions done.

'Course if I'm wrong I'd love to hear what it really is.

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 03:55 PM
One would be from HP, but not all three. I don't see the author referencing one source three times. Gandalf is far more likely for the first, and Blackthorn for the third. I'm okay with Hermione for the middle, but there's little enough distinguishing about that character, so she might be someone else. A lot of TV witches are blonde, so most are out for her.

Look at this picture of Hermione (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hermionehand.jpg). Now look at this picture of Dumbledore. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dumbledore_and_Elder_Wand.JPG) The picture of Hermione is an exact match, as the Dumbledore - down to the hat.

"Harry Potter" is incorrect for #3. I have no idea who he is.


Jeannie wore balloon pantaloons, not a dress. The single ponytail from the top of the head is exactly like Firiona, and only the colour of the dress is wrong. The Erfworld version also seems to have pointed ears, which is consistent with FV (an elf) but not Jeannie.

Look closely at the tip of her wand - it is a bottle, one highly similar in shape to the Jeannie Bottle. (http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/image/A7710/77108/300_77108.jpg)

Plus Firiona's outfit (http://www.mmonotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/firiona-vie.png) looks nothing like the one the Erfworlder is wearing. It doesn't even have pants! Jeannie's (http://www.briansgeniebottles.com/images/Mirror/JeannieLooking.jpg) on the other hand, is almost an exact match.

BarGamer
2009-04-12, 04:41 PM
Nice page, and a nice change of pace after the emotional tension of earlier.

Oh, I dunno. This situation looks very similar to the previous comic... Someone faces down a large group of people, your friends are sitting there pretty much comatose, someone on the other side leaps to your defense, someone gets grabbed by the shoulder, and the forums still exploded... (Just kidding. XD)

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-04-12, 05:12 PM
Well, TV is a vampire kingdom, so I'm guessing it's a pet name for "Richard" Cheney

*rimshot*

In a more serious vein, TV seems to be the exception to many rules. They aren't humans, to start with, they sleep in coffins, and they drink blood. It is quite possible that their Thinkamancers follow different conventions.

So while I won't scrap my theory, I do admit this is puts a ding in it. Perhaps Thinkamancers can also be modeled after fictional great brains too - I can think of one Bunny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_Adventures#Characters) that fits that description.

EDIT:
Actually looked at the link and realized I hadn't connected Vamp-Chick with Bunny. I'm still sticking to "TV follows different conventions" though :smalltongue:

Okay, the TV side leans heavily on Italian Mafia setting, as well as dipping heavily into '50's era cultural references. In particular, the leader is referred to as The Godfather, and bears a striking resemblance to that character in the rather popular movie series.

One of the cliche things about Mafia, one that Robert Asprin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_Adventures) used in his rather punny and cliche (though extremely entertaining) Myth series was the 'dead sexy, but highly intelligent mafia chick named Bunny'. This is FAR more likely than any Buffy the Vampire Slayer references, as that Buffy was about as intelligent as a bowl of oatmeal. Sometimes. On a good day.

Quincunx
2009-04-12, 05:44 PM
Firiona Vie doesn't do pink. All of those loading screens over the years (until her artist died) were bordered with blue to match her outfit. Heck, she attacked some of our clerics the week before last and she still wasn't pink, nor were the aggro'd clerics.

Waiting to see the Gang of Four. . .and probably wrong again. . .

shamelessmerc
2009-04-12, 06:03 PM
If there are only one million rands in the whole world and they can only be traded, not created or destroyed, that would make 50 rands quite an attractive offer.
Only 8 rands (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html) for magic training, too.


no, TWENTY! even if that was sizemore's full purse it would be too much...

I do like the idea of Rand = Randies and an upper limit for currency makes sense, but it relies on there being sufficiently few 'mancers to share it out or it would be subdivided. Janis said she would pay 50R each.

so...

RANDcorp
Ayn Rand - Galts Gulch
James Randi
RANDom unit of currency

The Random makes sense from the point of view of a currency solely for use between 'mancers (which is what I think it is) but Randi/Galt and RANDcorp all make sense as pop-culture references.

Of cource, I move in circles where Randi is idolised... I am aware many outside the rabid athiest community may never have heard of him

Gez
2009-04-12, 06:04 PM
Firiona Vie

Useless trivia learned through Erfworld: Everquest Pinup has a name.

hajo
2009-04-12, 06:07 PM
how did all those casters manage to get around the portal so quickly?
Maybe they are on guard duty, so they had already been at the portal when Parson arrived ?

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 06:10 PM
Honestly, Portal Park looks like a pretty happenin' place (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0013.html). They probably were just standing around, and when they saw Parson come through they freaked out because:
(1) He's huge
(2) They couldn't see his stats
(3) He had a sword and armor - and only casters should be able to go through the Portal.

dr pepper
2009-04-12, 06:50 PM
Okay, let's organize this. Using 140.2, and counting clockwise from Parson:

Guy in Blazer, probably Thinkamancer, given later attempts at contacting others and knowledge of number of Thinkamancers available. (I think I should know who this is. There was a debunked psychic from the 70's or 80's that I think looked like this guy, and the blazer is consistent with that time frame. Name won't come to me, and Wiki isn't helping.)


Uri Geller. Yeah, i thought of him too, but since his main claim to fame is a cheap jack telekinesis trick (bending spoons), he wouldn't be presented as thinkamancer. In any case, the look, mannerisms, and speech fit Carl Sagan much better, so i'm sticking with that choice.

dr pepper
2009-04-12, 07:03 PM
Also, there's the atomic symbol on the wand.

GreatWyrm
2009-04-12, 07:14 PM
Guy in the blazer is definitely Carl Sagan. Nobody else makes sense given his implement. Not to mention his outfit is a straight match for the one he wore in Cosmos.


New idea for #3: Lance Burton (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=lance+burton&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=)

Stage magicians would make sense, as we haven't seen any stagemancers yet.

Which makes me realize...

Hocus Pocus: Jeannie
Spookism: Orko
Stuffamancy: Dr. Strange
Eyemancy: Carl Sagan
Hippiemancy: Dumbledore
Naughtymancy: Wicked Witch
Stagemancy: Lance Burton
Clevermancy: Hermione


It would make sense that the eight are a representation of each of the 8 major magic classes. I'm 95% sure on my position of most of them, but not sure on Orko, Dr. Strange, or Dumbledore.


Stagemancers opens the door for Penn & Teller, and Randi, amongst others, which would be awesome to see.

Kreistor
2009-04-12, 07:18 PM
Look at this picture of Hermione

It's a brown haired girl in a robe. How can you say for certain that's not anyone else? As I said, there's too little detail to be absolutely certain.

Did have a thought. It could be Willow from Buffy. (Her hair colour varied from blonde through brown to red.) Hair length is right, too. And she wore that kind of robe in her darker period (when her hair darkened, too).


Now look at this picture of Dumbledore. The picture of Hermione is an exact match, as the Dumbledore - down to the hat.

Gandalf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandalf) often wears hats, too. There's too much pixelization to be certain what kind of hat he's wearing.

Look. I'm not saying that's not Dumbledore, and the other isn't Hermione. I'm saying they can't be both. If one is Dumbledore, the other is probably intended to be someone other than Hermione. The female has the fewest details and the least chance to identify properly.


Look closely at the tip of her wand - it is a bottle, one highly similar in shape to the Jeannie Bottle.

Couldn't make out the shape of the wand without copying it to a paint program (not on my normal computer and suffering from lower res here). Yes, that's bottle shaped, so it's likely that the intent is for Jeannie. But still, the robe is definitely wrong. Jeannie wore "Arabian" garb to be consistent with the Arabian Nights djinn concept, and so she wore a belly-dancer's costume. That included balloon pants, not a dress.


Firiona's outfit (http://www.mmonotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/firiona-vie.png) looks nothing like the one the Erfworlder is wearing. It doesn't even have pants!

Firiona's cloak is ankle length, and would look like a dress without the wind they usually blow at her to show skin from that rear-left angle.


Jeannie's on the other hand, is almost an exact match.

No, they aren't. You can't see her ankles in that pic. She wore balloon pants, not a dress, since it was modelled on an Arabian belly-dancer's costume. Yes, near the waist they look like a dress, but they split and then are elasticed at the ankles (http://www.mortysmall.com/images/i_dream_of_jeannie_book.jpg). Lots of images with her with crossed legs that sort of do the job, but those hide the ankles, unlike this bed pic.

You can see them better here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4980855140015617952), at the 1:10 mark and best at 1:26, where she lifts her right leg, clearly showing those are pant legs, and not a dress.

Oh, and looking at the Sagan character's wand, I'll accept that is Carl Sagan, too, much as I don't like him as a Thinkamancer. He's got an atomic end to his wand, which would be indicative of a scientist. I'd rather see him as a Mathamancer, or Predictamancer. I suppose a Predictamancer could predict how many Thinkamancers were in the region. Actually, A Lookamancer would be consistent with an Astronomer, and then he'd definitely be able to tell how many Thinkamancers were in the region. So he's not calling them, he's only checking how many are available.

T-O-E
2009-04-12, 07:18 PM
Orko is probably a hatamancer.

GreatWyrm
2009-04-12, 07:27 PM
Gandalf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandalf) often wears hats, too. There's too much pixelization to be certain what kind of hat he's wearing.

Gandalf wore a wide-brimmed hat when he was Gandalf the Grey. This wizard's robes are blue.
Not to mention Gandalf wields a staff, not a wand.
And if it was Gandalf he would probably be represented as Gandalf the White, not the Grey.

glissle
2009-04-12, 07:43 PM
Hmm, one kind of Hippiemancer is the Date-a-Mancer - maybe Parson will cast a time-travel spell and become Charlie. (:smalltongue: Just teasing.)


Parson as a Hippiemancer, I can see it to some extent. Parson has...
- been obsessed by the question of free will in Erfworld;
- a cultural bias towards notions of equality and human rights virtually unknown to Erf;
- probably no compunction against using mind-altering substances.

Remember the "a mighty wind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOM7mUaOgtI)" excerpt overheard here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0011.html)?
- Peace: Erfworld appears to be a world designed for constant warfare.
- Freedom: In Erfworld, everyone except the overlords are devoid of free will.
- Equality: Erfworld has three interlocking hierarchical systems; with levels; unit/leader/overlord; and commoner/noble/royal.

In fact, most Earthlings are rather hippieish compared to Erfworlders.

I like Fjolnir's theory that TV has "Bunny ears", and like the Rands, there's probably multiple correct references. I just hope Bunny isn't anything like her namesake in the Babylon 5 universe, who was a sociopathic telepath who worked for the Shadows in the Passing of the Techno-Mages books.

fendrin
2009-04-12, 07:45 PM
Gandalf wore a wide-brimmed hat when he was Gandalf the Grey. This wizard's robes are blue.
Not to mention Gandalf wields a staff, not a wand.
And if it was Gandalf he would probably be represented as Gandalf the White, not the Grey.

Honestly, almost every artist's rendering of Gandalf I have seen is of Gandalf the Grey. He's just known so much better that way. Perhaps because more people have read The Hobbit than the trilogy. I did a google image search for 'gandalf painting' and most of the images are of Mythrandir.

Zooming in on the figure, the robes are on the blue end of grey or grey end of blue... so it could go either way. Of course, Gandalf is sometimes depicted in blue robes and/or cloak.

I also happened to notice in doing so that the brown haired wizard next to him has something reddish on the front of his/her robes. Maybe a Gryffindor scarf?

Last but not least, the unidentified black-haired tuxedo-wearing 'mancer seems to have white on his face... either a mask ( la Phantom of the Opera) or facepaint... does that ring any bells for anyone?

GreatWyrm
2009-04-12, 07:50 PM
Honestly, almost every artist's rendering of Gandalf I have seen is of Gandalf the Grey. He's just known so much better that way. Perhaps because more people have read The Hobbit than the trilogy. I did a google image search for 'gandalf painting' and most of the images are of Mythrandir.

Zooming in on the figure, the robes are on the blue end of grey or grey end of blue... so it could go either way. Of course, Gandalf is sometimes depicted in blue robes and/or cloak.

I also happened to notice in doing so that the brown haired wizard next to him has something reddish on the front of his/her robes. Maybe a Gryffindor scarf?

Last but not least, the unidentified black-haired tuxedo-wearing 'mancer seems to have white on his face... either a mask ( la Phantom of the Opera) or facepaint... does that ring any bells for anyone?

Those robes are too blue to be Gandalf. Ignoring the hat being wrong and him using a wand instead of the requisite staff.

#2 is undoubtedly Hermione, as has been mentioned many times already..

I stand by #3 being Lance Burton, at least until I hear a better hypothesis. I don't think his face is white, I think it's the natural skin tone that looks lighter because of the pink shadow of his neck.

archon_huskie
2009-04-12, 08:07 PM
Did have a thought. It could be Willow from Buffy. (Her hair colour varied from blonde through brown to red.) Hair length is right, too. And she wore that kind of robe in her darker period (when her hair darkened, too).


When did Willow use a wand?

Goshen
2009-04-12, 08:15 PM
If you're gonna post a video of Shatner 'singing', why not go for the real deal? These are from the 70's.

Sinatra's "It Was a Very Good Year" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GAjK64VZg)
Elton John's "Rocketman" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN3MGN899yE)
LOL! It's not quite Shockamancy. Barfamancy?

Imgran
2009-04-12, 08:16 PM
So who is Bunny (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0111.html)based on? The third thinkamancer you have forgotten.

How about the inventor of the Bunsen Burner for the triplex pun and the win?

Quanton
2009-04-12, 08:21 PM
so...

RANDcorp
Ayn Rand - Galts Gulch
James Randi
RANDom unit of currency



Rand Holmes (http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/10566) also seems to be a likely source:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/files/images/Rand-Holmes3.jpg

Jon Pander
2009-04-12, 08:28 PM
Gandalf wore a wide-brimmed hat when he was Gandalf the Grey. This wizard's robes are blue.
Not to mention Gandalf wields a staff, not a wand.
And if it was Gandalf he would probably be represented as Gandalf the White, not the Grey.

His staff is in the shop for its 20,000 spell overhaul.

Kreistor
2009-04-12, 09:24 PM
When did Willow use a wand?

When did Orko?
When did Carl Sagan?
When did Jeannie?

Imgran
2009-04-12, 09:36 PM
When did Orko?


"Orko" is clearly wielding a staff, not a wand.

Kreistor
2009-04-12, 09:39 PM
"Orko" is clearly wielding a staff, not a wand.

When did Orko wield a staff?

Imgran
2009-04-12, 09:44 PM
Personally I side with the camp that says that Parson Gotti, the Lord Hamster, is in fact a hippiemancer. I think signamancy is the best bet for his hippiemancy angle.

There's actually extreme tactical advantages to be gained by good use of a skillset that basically allows you an advantage in picking the fights and giving the enemy battle largely on your terms. Parson would catch on to that advantage pretty quickly. A combination of Signamancy with the Mathamancy device might even be as effective as Luckamancy,

Imgran
2009-04-12, 09:48 PM
When did Orko wield a staff?

I dunno. But I do know that Gandalf definitely would NOT be using a wand -- either a staff or a sword for that particular wizard.

That leaves Merlin and Dumbledore. Take yer pick, there's no real way of choosing the one or the other.

Also, whoever said that Dumbledore would be a Hippiemancer... is kinda ignoring that there's 1 already present. Besides, if ever there was a Clevermancer it's Dumbledore.

dr pepper
2009-04-12, 09:51 PM
Gandalf wore a wide-brimmed hat when he was Gandalf the Grey. This wizard's robes are blue.
Not to mention Gandalf wields a staff, not a wand.
And if it was Gandalf he would probably be represented as Gandalf the White, not the Grey.

I still think that makes more sense as a wizard stereotype, usually identified with Merlin.

DarkCloud
2009-04-12, 10:37 PM
Carl Sagan?

It's Neils Bohr.
"No Charge."
Ha-Ha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model

--
The princess looks like Peach from Mario... But possibly it's more likely she's a character from Legend of Zelda... I do not know which, but she looks vaguely familiar. Although Jeannie is probably a better guess than all of the above.
*Edit. Actually she really looks like the Everquest box art lady. I believe someone mentioned that earlier... ...

Oracle_Hunter
2009-04-12, 10:49 PM
Carl Sagan?

It's Neils Bohr.
"No Charge."
Ha-Ha.

Heh, good joke.

Too bad he looks nothing like Niels Bohr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr) :smalltongue:

Sagan clearly has the nucleus wand because he uses the power of SCIENCE! :smallbiggrin:

Remember kids: "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from SCIENCE!" (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20081205)

EDIT: You kids and your Everquests - hasn't anyone watched "I Dream of Jeannie" here? *shakes cane*

Occasional Sage
2009-04-12, 11:44 PM
EDIT: You kids and your Everquests - hasn't anyone watched "I Dream of Jeannie" here? *shakes cane*


They're all pups, OH. You might as well be speaking in porper, non-Internet English. :smallwink:

GreatWyrm
2009-04-13, 01:06 AM
Also, whoever said that Dumbledore would be a Hippiemancer... is kinda ignoring that there's 1 already present. Besides, if ever there was a Clevermancer it's Dumbledore.

That was just assuming that the 8 mages in the circle were representations of the 8 classes of magic.
I would also call Hermione a cleverer clevermancer than Dumbledore could ever be.
Dumbledore was undoubtedly powerful and intelligent, but Hermione was the cleverest witch in the series.


*sigh* ... I'm such a nerd.

Lizard Lord
2009-04-13, 02:08 AM
I am kinda wondering when the "Battle of Gobwin Knob" chapter will officially end. I guess we still need Stanely to see the city in ruins.

Zictor
2009-04-13, 02:35 AM
Unlikely. What profit could they have? These guys are contract worker and have a reputation to lose. And they probably wouldn't be too happy if a hippiemancer shows off and screws around their work.
Even if this was some complex cabal by the magic kingdom itself, it was some really overcomplicated stuff. And badly executed. If they wanted the spell to work, they wouldn't have made an distinction between the spell itself and and the casting and only offered a packet. And lowered the price massively.

I agree, the idea of the hippiemancers messing up with the spell is weird. Also, remember that it was Wanda who performed it? It was Stanley's last minute demandas that made the spell choose Parson. Also, I guess that like in most worlds, in Erfworld you get your aptitudes based on personality. Which would make Parson being a hippiemancer funny.

fractal
2009-04-13, 05:05 AM
When did Jeannie?
Take another look. The glowing part of her "wand" is clearly shaped like a genie bottle. It's obviously her.

HandofShadows
2009-04-13, 08:03 AM
EDIT: You kids and your Everquests - hasn't anyone watched "I Dream of Jeannie" here? *shakes cane*

Yep, them young wippersnappers don't watch the TV anymore. c'ept that noisy MTV thing these days. :smallbiggrin:

greywords
2009-04-13, 08:32 AM
For #3 from the left, another option I don't think has been mentioned is David Copperfield.

BLANDCorporatio
2009-04-13, 08:58 AM
Yep, them young wippersnappers don't watch the TV anymore. c'ept that noisy MTV thing these days. :smallbiggrin:

Bah. The youth of today, spending all day texting or whatever they do. Cannot even spell "whippersnapper" right.