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Llama231
2009-05-04, 08:58 AM
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107894
Due to the popularity of this^ thread, I have decided to compile the playground's favorite villains, and make a comprehensive list of the most popular through voting and nomination.

Top 10 Villains in the Playground

The Joker (Batman)
Ozymandias (Watchmen)
GLaDOS (Portal)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Mr. Teatime (Discworld)
Loki (Norse Mythology)
HAL 9000 (Space Odyssey)
Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda)
The Party (1984)


Reflections:
The Party
"If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened—that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death."
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever."

Personally, I have never heard of this organization, but I suppose that being one of, if not the oldest good "big brother" antagonist, would bump it up to 10th. What really surprised me was that a book published 60 years ago about 25 years ago would be so popular.

Ganondorf
"You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil! What you hold is useless. Go back to the world below, and tell that to the pathetic fools who made this blade! Its power is gone, and its edges are dull!"

Another surprise! This guy managed to sneak in 9th. Besides being the classic "Lord of all Evil", I would assume that he managed to claw up so far between the crazy popularity of Ocarina of Time, and the newer Twilight Princess game.

Hal 9000
"I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do."

Less of a surprise than the previous two, one of the only two evil A.I.s nominated, Hal took 8th. I would assume that his popularity came from the twisted logic that forced him to do as he did, or maybe his style.

Loki
[Feel free to tell me a quote to add here, I could not find one.]

What do you know, another surprise. From Norse Mythology, the trickster Loki somehow managed to make it all the way to 7th. I would believe that it was his trickery and deception, coupled with his success and style that got him so far.

Mr. Teatime
"It's pronounced Teh-a-Tee-may, sir."

Yep, its another surprise. (Wow, I must really not know many villains.) The insane assassin, he killed the Hogfather and tricked death, Mr. Teatime claims 6th. At one point, he managed to actually hold 1st place for a day or so. It seems that current popular villains are usually insane ones for some reason, and this dude is one of the top. Still, I imagined that someone else like The Master would have gotten more votes as a British villain, as he seems to be much better know outside.

Darth Vader
"You don't know the power of the dark side!"

Probably, the most famous villain of all time, the great sith, acted by 5 people at once, took 5th. Strangely, this guy was actually low for a while, lagging behind Grand Admiral Thrawn. While it could be argued that he was a hero in the end, most people remember him as the villain who held the galaxy in fear.

Xykon
"Only two things matter: Force in as great a concentration as you can manage, and style.

Probably the highest up villain that I can agree with, the evil lich Xykon claimed 4th. Cruel and funny, Xykon could defeat anyone with just words and sheer power. Plus, this is an OotSs board after all, and the recent comics surely boosted his credentials.

GLaDOS
"Grief counseling and cake will be available at the end of the testing period. "

The other crazy A.I., GLaDOS achieved 3rd. Unlike Hal, GLaDOS was most likely sentient, and did what it did because it wanted to, not because of logic. Also famous for tons of humorous lines, and incessant lieing, most likely the main reasons that she came so high. Additionally, she managed to hold first for quite a while after a sudden rise over the previous day or two. I really ought to play Portal some day.

Ozymandias
"I don't mind being the smartest man in the world, I just wish it wasn't this one."
"Dan, I'm not a republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting it's outcome? I did it thirty-five minutes ago."

Well, this one was strange.
Throughout the first half of voting, Ozy stayed in low voting categories, then suddenly shot up past many, many villains, and held first place, even in a tie for first until tie breaking came up. The "smartest man in the world" attained 2nd. It appears that his rise was attributed to the recent Watchmen movie, and his success, but his reasons for his actions bordered on being a hero.

The Joker
"At midnight, I will dump twenty million in cash on the crowd. Don't worry about me, I've got enough."
"I took Gotham’s white knight, and brought him down to our level. It wasn’t hard. Y’see, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little…push."
"It's true, Batsy! I know everything. And kinda like the kid who peeks at his Christmas presents, I must admit, it's sadly anti-climactic. Behind all the sturm and batarangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit, crying for mommy and daddy! It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
...
Oh, what the heck, I'll laugh anyway! HA HA HA HA HA HAA!"
"Do I really look like a man with a plan, Harvey? I don’t have a plan. The mob has plans, the cops have plans. You know what I am, Harvey? I’m a dog chasing cars. I wouldn’t know what to do if I caught one. I just do things. I’m a wrench in the gears. I *hate* plans. Yours, theirs, everyone’s. Maroni has plans. Gordon has plans. Schemers trying to control their worlds. I am not a schemer. I show schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are. So when I say that what happened to you and your girlfriend wasn’t personal, you know I’m telling the truth. It’s a schemer who put you where you are. You were a schemer. You had plans. Look where it got you. I just did what I do best-I took your plan and turned it on itself. Look what I have done to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple bullets. Nobody panics when the expected people get killed. Nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if the plans are horrifying. If I tell the press that tomorrow a gangbanger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will get blown up, nobody panics. But when I say one little old mayor will die, everyone loses their minds! Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I am an agent of chaos. And you know the thing about chaos, Harvey? It’s fair."

The crazy clown of Gotham City undeniably took first. Ranging over massive iterations, and an overly famous new movie, the insane killer or whatever was a given in this thread. He held first almost the entire time, and continued to until the end. While I do not agree with his placement, it is no surprise that he got so high. I would assume that with so many variations, at least one of them would be one of someone's favorite villains, and the Dark knight movie's success, in combination with the death of his actor would give him this position.

Feel free to try to sway others' opinions toward what you believe.

You may vote for up to 10 villains, and it is common courtesy to vote for more than you have nominated.

If this thread is too similar to the other thread mentioned above, I assume that it may be merged.

Voting is finished!

Nominations (135 Total!):
Agent Smith (The Matrix)
Akira (Akira)
Alec (James Bond Goldeneye)
Alex (Golden Sun)
Andrew Ryan (Bioshock)
Angelus (Buffy/Angel)
Apophis (Stargate SG-1)
Archibald Cunningham (Rob Roy)
Archimonde (World of Warcraft)
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Ba'al (Stargate)
Baron Harkonnen (Dune)
Baxter Stockman (TMNT Mirage Universe)
Beatrice (Wild ARMs 3)
Benjamin Linus (Lost)
BOB (Twin Peaks)
Bowser (Mario)
Captain Nemo (20,000 Leagues Under The Sea)
Carcer (Diskworld)
Charles Widmore (LOST)
Cherubael (The Eisenhorn Trilogy)
Claudius M.F. Frollo (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Cobra Commander (G.I. Joe)
Corinthian (The Sandman)
Crowley (Good Omens)
Darkseid (DC Universe Primarily New Gods and JLA)
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
David Xanatos (Gargoyles)
Davros (Doctor Who)
Delita (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Doctor Robotnik (Sonic the Hedgehog?(SatAM))
Dolores Umbridge (Harry Potter)
Dr. Cid (FF XII)
Eric Cartman (South Park)
Gaius Baltar (2004's Battlestar Galactica)
Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda)
GLaDOS (Portal)
Goldfinger (Goldfinger (Movie))
Grace O'Connor (Macross Frontier)
Grahme Coats/Tiger (Anansi Boys)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars)
Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
Gul'dan (World of Warcraft)
HAL 3000 (9000) (Space Odyssey)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
Hans (Diehard)
Iago (Othello)
Id (Xenogears)
Joker (Batman)
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus (Baulder's Gate 2)
Judge Death (Judge Dredd)
Kane (Command and Conquer)
Kefka (Final Fantasy 6)
Kerrigan The Queen of Blades (Starcraft)
Khaldris (The Lukien Trilogy by John Marco)
Khan (Star Trek 2)
Kreia (Knights of the Old Republic 2)
LaCroix (Forever Knight)
Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)
Lex Luthor (Superman)
Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
Lionel Luther (Smallville)
Loki (American Gods)
Loki (Norse Mythology)
Lord Foul the Despiser (Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever)
Lord of the Nazgul (Lord of the Rings)
Lord Tywin Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Maeglin (Silmarillion)
Magneto (X-men)
Marcus Brutus (Julius Caesar)
Megatron (Transformers)
Michael Corleone (Godfather Part 2)
Molotch (The Ravenor Trilogy)
Morgana Le Fay (Arthurian Legends) (Pick one)
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Mr. Croup (Neverwhere)
Mr. Morden (And the Shadows) (Babylon 5)
Mr. Teatime (Discworld)
Mr Vandemar (Neverwhere)
Mr. Wednesday (American Gods)
Mr. Zorg (5th Element)
Murphy (???)
Nicodemus (Dresden Files)
Nyarlathotep (Cthulhu Mythos)
Orcus/Tenebrous (Dungeons and Dragons)
Overmind (Starcraft)
Ozymandias (Watchmen)
Padan Fain (The Wheel of Time)
Palpatine (Star Wars)
Paptimus Scirocco (Gundam Zeta)
Portia (The Merchant of Venice)
Prime Evils (Diadlo)
Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)
Randall Flagg (The Dark Tower)
Replicators (pre-human form) (Stargate)
Revolver Ocelot (MGS)
Richard III (Richard III)
Sabertooth (X-men Comics)
Satan (Paradise Lost)
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
Saruman (Lord of the Rings)
Sarevok (Baldur's Gate series)
Scar (The Lion King)
Scorpius (Farscape)
SEELE (Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Shockwave (Transformers Comics?)
Shodan (System Shock)
Shu Shirakawa (Super Robot Wars)
Sinister (Marvel)
Sovereign (Mass Effect)
Sylar (Heroes)
Syndrome (The Incredibles)
Tavington (The Patriot)
The Borg (Star Trek)
The Cylons (The New Battlestar Galactica)
The Grand Inquisitor (of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov)
The Lady (Black Company Novels)
The Lich King (World of Warcraft)
The Major (Hellsing)
The Master (Doctor Who)
The Moties (The Mote in Gods Eye)
The Mule (Foundation series)
The Party (1984)
The Prophet (Revolt in 2100)
The Shrike (Hyperion)
The Tessier-Ashpools (Neuromancer)
The Transcendent One (Planescape Torment)
Thunderwing (TF G1 (Marvel) USA comics)
Venom (Marvel)
Victor Von Doom (Fantastic 4)
Voldemort (Harry Potter)
Wilson Fisk/Kingpin (Marvel)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)
Yogg-Saron (World of Warcraft)
Zero Wolf? (Apocalypto)


1 Vote
Akira (Akira)
Cherubael (The Eisenhorn Trilogy)
Crowley (Good Omens)
Delita (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Doctor Robotnik (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Grace O'Connor (Macross Frontier)
Gul'dan (World of Warcraft)
Hans (Diehard)
Id (Xenogears)
Judge Death (Judge Dredd)
Khaldris (The Lukien Trilogy by John Marco)
Lionel Luthor (Smallville)
Loki (American Gods)
Lord Foul the Despiser (Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever)
Megatron (Transformers)
Mr. Croup (Neverwhere)
Mr. Wednesday (American Gods)
Murphy (???)
Nicodemus (Dresden Files)
Padan Fain (The Wheel of Time)
Prime Evils (Diadlo)
Replicators (pre-human form) (Stargate)
Sarevok (Baldur's Gate series)
Satan (Paradise Lost)
Scorpius (Farscape)
Shodan (System Shock)
The Cylons (The New Battlestar Galactica)
The Lady (Black Company Novels)
The Shrike (Hyperion)
Voldemort (Harry Potter)


2 Votes
Agent Smith (The Matrix)
Andrew Ryan (Bioshock)
Archimonde the Defiler (World of Warcraft)
Claudius M.F. Frollo (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Darkseid (DC Universe Primarily New Gods and JLA)
Davros (Doctor Who)
Dolores Umbridge (Harry Potter)
Eric Cartman (South Park)
Gaius Baltar (2004's Battlestar Galactica)
Lex Luthor (Superman)
Lord of the Nazgul (Lord of the Rings)
Mr. Morden (And the Shadows) (Babylon 5)
Mr. Vandemar (Neverwhere)
Nyarlathotep (Cthulhu Mythos)
Randall Flagg (The Dark Tower)
Revolver Ocelot (MGS)
Richard III (Richard III)
Sabertooth (X-men Comics)
Scar (The Lion King)
Sovereign (Mass Effect)
The Lich King (Warcraft)
The Major (Hellsing)
The Mule (Foundation series)
Venom (Marvel)


3 Votes
Baron Harkonnen (Dune)
Benjamin Linus (Lost)
Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
Kane (Command and Conquer)
Kreia (Knights of the Old Republic 2)
Orcus/Tenebrous (Dungeons and Dragons)
Saruman (Lord of the Rings)
Syndrome (The Incredibles)
The Grand Inquisitor (of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov)


4 Votes
Ba'al (Stargate)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
Iago (Othello)
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus (Baulder's Gate 2)
Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)
Lord Tywin Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Michael Corleone (Godfather 2)
Morgana Le Fay (Arthurian Legends) (Pick one)
The Transcendent One (Planescape Torment)


5 Votes
Angelus (Buffy/Angel)
David Xanatos (Gargoyles)
Kefka (Final Fantasy 6)
Khan (Star Trek 2)
Magneto (X-men)
Sylar (Heroes)


6 Votes
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Carcer (Diskworld)
Palpatine (Star Wars)
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
The Master (Doctor Who)


7 Votes
Bowser (Mario)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars)
Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
Overmind (Starcraft)
Sarah Kerrigan The Queen of Blades (Starcraft)
The Borg Collective (Star Trek)


8 Votes
Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda) [3]
HAL 3000 (9000) (Space Odyssey) [6]
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes) [1]
The Party (1984) [2]
Victor Von Doom (Fantastic 4) [1]


9 Votes
Loki (Norse Mythology)


10 Votes
Mr. Teatime (Discworld)


11 Votes
Darth Vader (Star Wars) [7]
Xykon (Order of the Stick) [8]


12 Votes
GLaDOS (Portal)


13 Votes

14 Votes

15 Votes
Joker (Batman) [13]
Ozymandias (Watchmen) [2]




[Sub-Votes are in Brackets]

Dancing_Zephyr
2009-05-04, 09:47 AM
Joker (Batman)
Ranges from ineffectual criminal/prankster to insane engineer but always a great villain.

Ozymandias (Watchmen)
One of the greatest plans I've ever seen and the heroes JOINED him, except one.

Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Why wouldn't he be on the list. Also James Earl Jones.

Kefka (FF6)
Who doesn't love a psychotic clown who destroys the world.

I've only got four, but its a start

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-04, 10:00 AM
Mr Teatime (Discworld).
An assassin unlike any other, Mr Teatime worked out how to kill a god and perhaps even Death himself. With catlike reflexes and no base human empathy Teatime is a monster to be reckoned with.

The Master (Doctor Who)
When a man states that his life's goal is to be "The Master of All Matter" you know he is serious. But The Master always has something else too, elan. With him it was never just a matter of killing his foes, it was a thing to be done with style and audacity. Be it holding the entire universe to ransom or dancing to Voodoo childe while decimating a world, this is a man who knows what Evil really means.

Davros (Doctor Who)
Mad scientist are a dime a dozen. Space Nazis are two for a dollar. Evil Cripples are strictly bargain basement. But bring those four together and you get one of the most evil men ever to have been seen in TV land. And dedicated. Not only did he wipe out his own people to prevent their interference in his work but:
Doctor who season 30This is a man who more or less flayed his remaining body to get enough genetic material for his army. A man for whom "because I can" is more justification that he ever even bothered with.

2 more later

Linkavitch
2009-05-04, 11:31 AM
Sauron: Lord of the Rings. Not the Eye, but the kick-awesome giant with the mace in the opening battle.

Bowser: Mario series of video games. You gotta admire his persistence.

Killersquid
2009-05-04, 12:08 PM
Morgoth, Sauron's master.

I have others, but they are probably too obscure, and you can't top the classic.

cnsvnc
2009-05-04, 12:16 PM
The Party: I love the Big Brother.

Baron Harkonnen: Pedophile bastard too fat to move himself begins to descibe his vices.

Megatron: Why isn't he in already?

Xykon: Another no brainer whose absence is unexplainable.

Lex Luthor: Ditto.

Ravens_cry
2009-05-04, 12:44 PM
Magneto. When he is done well, you wonder if he is in fact right.
Goldfinger, the movie, not the book. Not only the source of some of Bonds most legendary moments, but an absolute genius scheme to boot.

chiasaur11
2009-05-04, 01:10 PM
Bah!

How has the Monarch of Latveria so long failed to achieve his rightful place?

Victor Von Doom. One of the classics. Man took over the world, and only lost it when ruling got dull.

And for Megatron, I dearly hope you mean animated or Beast Wars. G1 Megatron: kinda... a wuss. Shockwave was the man, at least in the comics.

Shodan and GLaDOS, as mad AIs need love.

Not all of these guys deserve top ten, necessarily, but they at least are worth a look.

Jibar
2009-05-04, 01:22 PM
I would also nominate Dr Doom for being the Batman of villains, and the classiest villain alive.

I would also vote Kreia, for being manipulative, relativist and most importantly developed. So many villains are greedy psychopathic nutcases who are evil for evil's sake. But Kreia has reason behind it all, reason behind being so evil and being the antagonist.

Also Reed Richards. Because he is a jerk.

Llama231
2009-05-04, 01:24 PM
What is The Party from?

Ravens_cry
2009-05-04, 01:46 PM
What is The Party from?

You desperately need to do some reading.
Look up 1984, by George Orwell.
Trust me, it will be one of the most important books you ever read.

Rutskarn
2009-05-04, 01:53 PM
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus.

That is all.

chiasaur11
2009-05-04, 01:54 PM
Also Reed Richards. Because he is a jerk.

Yeah, sometimes. But that's not really worth the full on villain nod, you know?

I mean, a guy who'd give you the shirt off his back, or even his life, and saves the world on a regular basis for no other reason than that it needs to be done tends to get the hero listing barring extraordinary circumstances. A few (okay, a ton) of sexist comments and a few lies to comfort friends hardly seem worth top ten villains lists.

Jibar
2009-05-04, 02:08 PM
Reed Richards is Useless. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReedRichardsIsUseless)

I rest my case.

chiasaur11
2009-05-04, 02:16 PM
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus.

That is all.

Good one!

Need to play that one. As soon as I finish System SHock and X-com...

Scylfing
2009-05-04, 03:05 PM
Satan, Paradise Lost et al.
Michael Corleone, The Godfather Part II
Khaaaaaaan!, Star Trek II
Id, Xenogears
Eric Cartman, South Park

The Tygre
2009-05-04, 03:20 PM
Darth Traya - Knights of the Old Republic II
Nyarlathotep - The Cthulhu Mythos
Ganondorf - The Legend of Zelda
The Lord of the Nazgul - The Return of the King
Akira - Akira

Quayleman
2009-05-04, 03:36 PM
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus.

That is all.

Thirded.

He's just bad news.

The Blackbird
2009-05-04, 03:53 PM
Ah, this is going to be fun, I never even thought of tallying nominations for greatest villians, awesome.:smallamused:


1.Xykon (Order of the Stick)
2. The Joker (Dark Knight)
3.Tavington (The Patriot)
4.KAHN (Star Trek Wrath of Kahn)
5.Voldemort (Harry Potter)
6.Hans (Diehard)
7. Magneto (X-Men) but I think I spelled his name wrong
8.Alec (James Bond Goldeneye)
9. Alex (Golden Sun)
10: Darth Maul

Lord_Gareth
2009-05-04, 04:34 PM
Mr. Wednesday - The magnificent bastard of American Gods; his plot was the ultimate double-grift. May his spirit rest in Valhalla, if it still exists.

Grahme Coats/Tiger - The duo from Anansi Boys that represent both the banality and the passion of evil, as well as why the smart guys will always win. Fun, fun times.

My next three will be forthcoming...later.

afroakuma
2009-05-04, 04:50 PM
I think I'm contractually obligated to say:

1: The Maiden's Weeping
2: The Caillteanas
3: Dandag the Quiet
4: The Augmoha
5: The Silver Hellstar
6: Prince Meridius
7: The Thief King's Palace
8: The Omenwrath
9: Tsartajius
10: Prystele the Golden

I'll post a different list later. :smallbiggrin:

Llama231
2009-05-04, 06:15 PM
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus.

That is all.

Is this a joke? If not, what is it? Is it from this? (http://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?showtopic=1317)
As for RR, I am not counting him.

Also, Dart Traya=Kriea and Dr. Doom=Victor Von Doom, so you may change your nominations to include 5.


I am going to call The Lord of the Nazgul the Witch King for more specificness.


1.Xykon (Order of the Stick)
2. The Joker (Dark Knight)
3.Tavington (The Patriot)
4.KAHN (Star Trek Wrath of Kahn)
5.Voldemort (Harry Potter)
6.Hans (Diehard)
7. Magneto (X-Men) but I think I spelled his name wrong
8.Alec (James Bond Goldeneye)
9. Alex (Golden Sun)
10: Darth Maul

Which of these are the 5 that you are nominating, as the rest already have been?


I think I'm contractually obligated to say:

Spoiler
1: The Maiden's Weeping
2: The Caillteanas
3: Dandag the Quiet
4: The Augmoha
5: The Silver Hellstar
6: Prince Meridius
7: The Thief King's Palace
8: The Omenwrath
9: Tsartajius
10: Prystele the Golden


I'll post a different list later.

I actually think that at least a few of those deserve to be nominated.


I'm nominating Lex Luthor. Why? Because he's Lex flippin' Luthor. He is one of the greatest villains in comics of all time.

Already nominated.


Goldeneye has been changed to Alec Trevelyan.
Grrr... Why are goldfinger and goldeneye so similar names!

WitchSlayer
2009-05-04, 06:17 PM
I'm nominating Lex Luthor. Why? Because he's Lex flippin' Luthor. He is one of the greatest villains in comics of all time.

Kane
2009-05-04, 06:34 PM
Flagg, of Stephen King's Dark Tower fame.

Ravens_cry
2009-05-04, 06:34 PM
Ah, this is going to be fun, I never even thought of tallying nominations for greatest villians, awesome.:smallamused:
10: Darth Maul
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Darth Maul sucks as a villain. Oh he was cool, damned cool. But he isn't a good villain. He follows the Jedi around, kills the really awesome Qui-Gon Jinn, then gets killed in turn by a young Obi Wan Kenobi. There was that confrontation out side the ship on Tatoonie, but really, there was none of those qualities that turn a high level mook, into an Antagonist.

Eldan
2009-05-04, 06:37 PM
Hmm....
In no particular order:

Lord Tywin Lannister, A Song of Ice and Fire: Proud, intelligent, ruthless and effective. Also, he more or less ruled the entire damn continent for several years and did a damn good job.

The Transcendent One, Planescape Torment. Any further explanation is a spoiler.

Now I can't think of any others of equivalent evilness and badassery.

Rutskarn
2009-05-04, 06:37 PM
Is this a joke? If not, what is it?


You, sir/madame, are greatly deprived. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Irenicus)

You have my sympathy.

Llama231
2009-05-04, 06:42 PM
You, sir/madame, are greatly deprived. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Irenicus)

You have my sympathy.


Thank you.

Saint Nil
2009-05-04, 06:45 PM
Darth Vader
Victor Von Doom
Magneto
Ganondorf
Xykon
Joker
Bowser
Ozymandias
GLaDOS
Michael Corleone

Llama231
2009-05-04, 06:53 PM
Darth Vader
Victor Von Doom
Magneto
Ganondorf
Xykon
Joker
Bowser
Ozymandias
GLaDOS
Michael Corleone

I would have asked you to nominate only 5, but all of these have already been nominated.:smallbiggrin:

Callos_DeTerran
2009-05-04, 06:53 PM
The Major (Hellsing)

It's hard to put into words why this fat little man is a true villain in a series with blood-thirsty crusader priests, shape-shifting immortal vampires, and people who can kill you with wire to those who haven't actually read the Hellsing manga. But he is, despite never so much as lifting a finger, personally, to harm someone else. Maybe it is his sheer love of war.

Andrew Ryan (Bioshock)

Again this should go without saying, at least from me, since this was a man with style. Sure, under different circumstances he could have been good but he had different ones and ended up becoming an almost complete monster for the sake of Rapture. More importantly, it is how he went out that makes him truly great.

The obligatory Grand Admiral Thrawn nomination (Star Wars)

Personally I believe Thrawn to be a good villain and not great, but many people would argue with me and I want one of my nominations to win. :smalltongue: I'm sure plenty of other people will expout Thrawn's graces though so I'll let them speak for themselves.

Sovereign (Mass Effect)

Talk to this thing, then see what it does in actual combat...it's chilling. And he has the voice like the father of Satan. Plus good quotes too.

The Blackbird
2009-05-04, 07:01 PM
Darth Maul sucks as a villain. Oh he was cool, damned cool. But he isn't a good villain. He follows the Jedi around, kills the really awesome Qui-Gon Jinn, then gets killed in turn by a young Obi Wan Kenobi. There was that confrontation out side the ship on Tatoonie, but really, there was none of those qualities that turn a high level mook, into an Antagonist.


Maul's plain ass-kickery makes him a great villian in itself, plus I can never think of a number 10 villain. Not that it matters at all because he only takes the top 5.

Gorgondantess
2009-05-04, 07:02 PM
Archibald Cunningham, of Rob Roy. If a single person votes for him, I will be happy. He is, without a doubt, the single most unappreciated villain ever ever.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-04, 07:12 PM
My remaining two nominations are:

Judge Death (Judge Dredd): Another True Cold Villain, Judge Death is an evil undead spirit from a universe where, as all crime is commited by the living, life is declared a crime. Possessing dead bodies and wearing a mockery of a Judge's uniform Judge Death has killed more people than any other Judge Dredd villain, including nuking Las Vagas.

Mr Morden (and by extention the shadows) (Babylon 5): What can I say, it really is just easier to provide the link in this case. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Morden)

Llama231
2009-05-04, 07:19 PM
Maul's plain ass-kickery makes him a great villian in itself, plus I can never think of a number 10 villain. Not that it matters at all because he only takes the top 5.

So, are you going to nominate 5? Your previous post contained 6 valid nominees.

The_JJ
2009-05-04, 07:44 PM
Carcer, from Discworld.

It's all of Sam Vimes' dirty fighting, inspiring leadership, genra savvy cynisism, and brass balls, but evil.

I'd pick someone from the SOIAF but all the really badass ones are also semisympathetic.

Hmm... Crowley from Good Omens.

What, he's a fallen angel. Clearly a villian. :smallbiggrin:

Loki from American Gods, just because of the facepalm moment when you realize how far back his entrance was set up. Low-key Lyesmith!

And my oddball shots: The Shrike from Hyperion. Time manipulating avatar of pure terror beng sent from the future, ala Terminator, for unspecified reasons? Hellz yes! Named after bird that kills it's prey by dropping it on thorns and letting them squirm to death? Double hellz yes. Sheer awesimnity in every single appearence.

And then the Lady from the Black Company novels.

Yeah, she's pretty cool.

Eldan
2009-05-04, 07:51 PM
Oh, I have a third one:

DnD's own Orcus/Tenebrous, for pure god-slaying overpoweredness, when he was at the top, with the power of the Word.

The Blackbird
2009-05-04, 08:05 PM
So, are you going to nominate 5? Your previous post contained 6 valid nominees.

My finale 5 are



1.Tavington (The Patriot)
2.Voldemort (Harry Potter)
3.Hans (Diehard)
4.Alec (James Bond Goldeneye)
5. Alex (Golden Sun)

darkblade
2009-05-04, 08:36 PM
In no particular order since all of my entries that I would have numbered have all ready been chosen.

Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
SEELE (Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Darkseid (DC Universe Primarily New Gods and JLA)
The Cylons (The New Battlestar Galactica)
The Borg (Star Trek)

chiasaur11
2009-05-04, 09:25 PM
Yeah. Shockwave was from the G1 Marvel transformers comics.

He'd killed all but one of the Autobots, kicked Megatron's arse and took over the Decepticons, and took down all five Dinobots in a fight until either Sludge or Snarl decided on Mutually Assured Destruction via tar pit.

And even when, as must occur in comics, he was demoted, it was entirely voluntary. And then he set up a plan that made Megatron commit suicide. And also mindwiped Megatron into killing the guy who'd kill him in an alternate future.

Cartoon Shockwave, however, was a wuss.

grolim
2009-05-04, 09:31 PM
In no particular order:

Angellus, ok he wasnt in many episodes but when he was he was truly evil.

Mr. Zorg from the 5th Element

LaCroix from Forever Knight, two thousand or near year old vampire, evil, and proud of it.

Don't know his name, and probably couldn't spell it if I did, The main bad guy from the movie Apocolypto.

Ba'al from Stargate, well played villian ruthless and smart.

Weezer
2009-05-04, 09:35 PM
Since many/most of the more well known villains have already been nominiated I'll nominate some of the more obscure ones:

Lord Foul the Despiser (Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever)
The Moties (The Mote in Gods Eye) -
Maeglin (Silmarillion) - the only elf to willingly and knowingly serve Melkor
The Tessier-Ashpools (Neuromancer)
The Prophet (Revolt in 2100)

turkishproverb
2009-05-04, 11:15 PM
Hmm..five new Noms:

1. Thunderwing, from the TF G1 (Marvel) USA comics. A transforming Decepticon religious zealot whom Beats OPTIMUS PRIME to a PULP with the MATRIX.
2. Paptimus Scirocco, Gundam Zeta, because even if you lose your 50 doublecross bid, you can still mindrape your enemy.
3. Doctor Robotnik - SatAM. For being menacing, taking over the world, and just generally creeping me out.
4. Portia- The Merchant of Venice. Yea, she was the villain. She toyed with and manipulated people, gave false hints, and deliberatelly made everyone involved in her affairs miserable. But mainly, She used the courts to illegally not only stop the death of one man, which would be one thing, but to utterly destroy a man whom made the mistake of wanting revenge for years of persecution. There, I said it.
5. Baxter Stockman- TMNT Mirage Universe- Because its not enough to refuse to stay dead, you have to crush your enemies Belief in the good of humanity before you finally go.

I would've chosen the twins from Gundam X, but I don't think they could be split up.

cnsvnc
2009-05-05, 01:00 AM
You know, this is the nomination. Actual votes will be later and most of the obscurer ones won't be getting many votes. Just saying...

Also someone should've voted Tony Montana by now.

Verruckt
2009-05-05, 01:13 AM
Five more for the list, in no particular order of preference:

Cherubael (The Eisenhorn Trilogy)

This is one bastard of a daemon, kill him and he simply takes over the body of your friend, face him in his purest form and you may be forced to bind him to one of your allies. Cheeky, incredibly powerful, and evil to the core.

Molotch (The Ravenor Trilogy)

Inquisitor Ravenor's Nemesis, not just thoroughly evil but ruthlessly intelligent. A true servant of Chaos, Molotch was responsible for any number of evil acts, at one point slipping a vial containing a deadly contagion into a passing man's back pocket just for the havoc it would cause.

Cobra Commander (G.I. Joe)

Do I really need to state why?

Claudius M.F. Frollo (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)

Callous, impassioned, conflicted, this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyS3weMlxLA), and he seems to be channeling the next guy.

The Grand Inquisitor (of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov)

For those unacquainted with the story, this is a man with the sheer brazen audacity to not only arrest God but but to throw him in a cell, threaten to execute him, and then tell Christ himself he'd been doing it wrong. He claims that mankind wants not freedom, but merely the means for survival and a simple cause to line up behind, and he has a plan to give humanity just that. This story scares the crap out of me and he's one of the scariest villains I've ever read because I can't really prove him wrong...

turkishproverb
2009-05-05, 01:27 AM
You know, this is the nomination. Actual votes will be later and most of the obscurer ones won't be getting many votes. Just saying...

What?


Also someone should've voted Tony Montana by now.
By your own admission we're not voting yet

Xondoure
2009-05-05, 01:39 AM
let no one forget murphy. Who may well be the most troublesome villain of all time.

kpenguin
2009-05-05, 01:56 AM
My nominations:

Iago (Othello)
Demand me nothing: what you know, you know:
From this time forth I never will speak word.
I can't believe no one has nominated this guy yet. First off, he's a manipulative magnificent bastard of the first caliber, able to change the trusting and loving Othello to a jealous husband capable of killing his own wife. Next, he is the type of motiveless evil that never becomes cliche. While literary critics have tried to pin down a motivation for Iago's unrelenting evil for centuries, the fact is that sheer unexplainable psychopathic villain is everlasting and ultimately very satisfying.

Richard III (Richard III)
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
If there's a Shakespearean villain better than Iago, Richard would be him. Born of with a huge amounts of defects, Richard exacts vengeance on the world with style and competence that we love despite the heinous acts. Dude gets his brother locked up in a tower, manages to woo a woman whose father and brother he killed, and, for good measure, kills his princling nephews. And we still love him.

Okay, you know what, I'm tired. I'll write up justifications later. Here are the rest of my picks:

Benjamin Linus (Lost)
Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)

Athaniar
2009-05-05, 05:00 AM
The Lich King
One of the big bads of the Warcraft universe, and third on my own list.

Archimonde
Also Warcraft, and one of the most awesome characters (in both meanings of the word).

More later, probaby.

arkol
2009-05-05, 05:58 AM
Charles Widmore (LOST)
Agent Smith (The Matrix)
Sarah Keerigan (Starcraft)
Captain Nemo (20.000 Leagues Under The Sea)
Sabertooth (X-men COmics)

A TV series, a movie, a videogame, a book and a comics.... I think I got a nice spread of options :smallbiggrin:

Kris on a Stick
2009-05-05, 06:19 AM
Gaius Baltar (2004's Battlestar Galactica)
Why? Because he is the luckiest, most magnificent bastard to ever walk the Earth. He could lie his way out of anything (while still being the worst liar ever), had a fanatical following of worshipers, and (semi-arguably) got the best ending out of anyone.

Palpatine (Star Wars)
...
Seriously?

Loki (Norse Myth)

...
Seriously?

I'll think of more later. Really, this post was just for Baltar.

Llama231
2009-05-05, 09:37 AM
let no one forget murphy. Who may well be the most troublesome villain of all time.

From what?

Dancing_Zephyr
2009-05-05, 11:43 AM
Real life? His law plagues man to this day from time immemorial.

The Mule (Foundation series)
I never expected an Asimov book to end with a pen*s joke, but he set it up. Also he can mind control.

GoC
2009-05-05, 11:59 AM
Lionel Luther (Smallville) before his decline.
Sylar (Heroes) for evilness.
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs) is required.

bladedSmoke
2009-05-05, 12:26 PM
My 4 nominees. I don't need reasons if I let them speak for themselves:

1) Jon Irenicus (Baldur's Gate series). "I... I do not remember your love, Ellesime. I have tried to. I have tried to recreate it, to spark it anew in my memory. But it is gone... a hollow, dead thing. For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing. The Seldarine took that from me, too. I look upon you and I feel nothing. I remember nothing but you turning your back on me, along with all the others. Once my thirst for power was everything. And now I hunger only for revenge. And... I... Will... HAVE IT!!"

2) Sylar (Heroes). "I know you don't understand me. But, I wanna tell you why I am helping you. It's that delicious power. You see, when I get my ability back, I'm gonna kill you. And your sister. And I'm gonna take it all. And, if I don't get my ability back, it's not a total loss - Maya's learning quickly; she's a shiny new toy, and she's all mine."

3) Sarevok (Baldur's Gate series). "I live! Flesh and blood and bone! I AM ALIVE! HAHAHAHAHA! I swore I would scratch and crawl my way back into the world of the living, and I have DONE IT!"

4) Saruman (Lord of the Rings). "Together, my lord Sauron, we shall rule this Middle-earth. The old world will burn in the fires of industry. Forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orc."

Lord_Gareth
2009-05-05, 01:05 PM
Lady Macbeth (Macbeth) - Evil, driven, intelligent, and domineering. She would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for the fact that Shakespeare believed in the Divine Right of Kings.

Scar (The Lion King) - Let's face it, Scar is the most intelligent villain to ever come out of Disney. Plus, he has a sexalicious voice.

Scylfing
2009-05-05, 01:20 PM
The Grand Inquisitor (of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov)

For those unacquainted with the story, this is a man with the sheer brazen audacity to not only arrest God but but to throw him in a cell, threaten to execute him, and then tell Christ himself he'd been doing it wrong. He claims that mankind wants not freedom, but merely the means for survival and a simple cause to line up behind, and he has a plan to give humanity just that. This story scares the crap out of me and he's one of the scariest villains I've ever read because I can't really prove him wrong...

Thank you, I'm glad someone nominated him, I wanted to but with only five to choose from it was hard. He really represents a kind of real-world evilness that's hard to deal with and maybe even hard for most people to call evil. I think, though, that Alyosha proves him and Ivan wrong by the end of the book in his dealings with the children (keep in mind why it was that Ivan wrote "The Grand Inquisitor" in the first place).

Muz
2009-05-05, 03:21 PM
I'm nominating two: Scorpius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpius_(Farscape)#Scorpius) (Farscape) and BOB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_BOB) (Twin Peaks).

And with regard to Darth Maul, as someone already mentioned, he's not a villain. He's a weapon. Back around when TPM came out, I think Palpatine's entry in the Star Wars databank listed the following:

"Weapon: Darth Maul." :smallwink:

Llama231
2009-05-05, 05:48 PM
My 4 nominees. I don't need reasons if I let them speak for themselves:

1) Jon Irenicus (Baldur's Gate series). "I... I do not remember your love, Ellesime. I have tried to. I have tried to recreate it, to spark it anew in my memory. But it is gone... a hollow, dead thing. For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing. The Seldarine took that from me, too. I look upon you and I feel nothing. I remember nothing but you turning your back on me, along with all the others. Once my thirst for power was everything. And now I hunger only for revenge. And... I... Will... HAVE IT!!"

2) Sylar (Heroes). "I know you don't understand me. But, I wanna tell you why I am helping you. It's that delicious power. You see, when I get my ability back, I'm gonna kill you. And your sister. And I'm gonna take it all. And, if I don't get my ability back, it's not a total loss - Maya's learning quickly; she's a shiny new toy, and she's all mine."

3) Sarevok (Baldur's Gate series). "I live! Flesh and blood and bone! I AM ALIVE! HAHAHAHAHA! I swore I would scratch and crawl my way back into the world of the living, and I have DONE IT!"

4) Saruman (Lord of the Rings). "Together, my lord Sauron, we shall rule this Middle-earth. The old world will burn in the fires of industry. Forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orc."

#s 1 and 2 have already been nominated.





I'm nominating two: Scorpius (Farscape) and BOB (Twin Peaks).

And with regard to Darth Maul, as someone already mentioned, he's not a villain. He's a weapon. Back around when TPM came out, I think Palpatine's entry in the Star Wars databank listed the following:

"Weapon: Darth Maul."



It could also be argued that many other villains were simply weapons, such as Vader, too.

Oslecamo
2009-05-05, 05:54 PM
Kerrigan The Queen of Blades from Starcraft. Seducing almost every other leader on the seting, backstabbing them and geting away as the strongest standing player surely acounts for something in terms of evilness.

Muz
2009-05-05, 06:25 PM
It could also be argued that many other villains were simply weapons, such as Vader, too.

True, but Vader had a personality, a will of his own, and a separate agenda that made him a more defined villian. Maul was just...this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_maul).

Llama231
2009-05-06, 08:20 PM
All nominations are tallied. Voting will begin if no more nominations are entered within a day.

Kato
2009-05-07, 02:30 PM
Oh, almost too late. Though, I'd like to throw in some nominations which might be lost otherwise.
David Xanatos (Gargoyles)
Come on guys, he is a non.-clicheed ina Disey series. And he's great at it!

Apophis (Stargate SG-1)
Good old Stargate... and the guys a cockroach unless you drop him in a star.


Also, just to get the bunch together some noteworthy Final Fantasy
Dr. Cid (FF XII)
Was hoping he'd turn all crazy scientist one day.

Delita (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Backstabbing bastard he is, he might have too good a heart somewhere buried deep, deep, deep within.

Ocelot (MGS)
One might wonder how much of a villain he is in the end, but damn, that guy loves to torture stuff.

If I had one more I'd put up Sepiroth just to check if there are fangirls around, but I guess there are none anyway.

As said, just some minor adds... Though, one or another might get some votes.

Athaniar
2009-05-07, 03:11 PM
I'd like to add the master warlock Gul'dan, the black aspect Deathwing, and the old god Yogg-Saron while there is still time (all Warcraft)

Finn Solomon
2009-05-07, 05:49 PM
I'd like to submit my nominations for the ultimate sadist (The Sandman's Corinthian), the ultimate murderers (Mr Croup and Mr Vandemar from Neverwhere) and the ultimate traitor (Marcus Brutus from Julius Caesar).

UnChosenOne
2009-05-07, 11:04 PM
I would like submit my nomination for Kane (C&C) leader of Brotherhood of Nod.

UltraDude
2009-05-08, 04:25 PM
Lots of good stuff already taken ._.

Grace O'Connor (Macross Frontier) - Manipulator of aliens, people, and has a plan with an actual success rate unlike many villains! Looks good too.

Khaldris (The Lukien Trilogy by John Marco) - Despite never having a body of his own during the story's time line, he uses the simple human weakness of a basically good but washed up old man to cause some of the greatest destruction his world has ever known.

Beatrice (Wild ARMs 3) - Wild ARMs 3 - where the villains behind the villains have another villain behind them. Both they and someone who opposes them were manipulated by Beatrice so that she could live somewhere other than dreams.

Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender) - Manipulative, arrogant, clever, and cruel. Some latent mommy issues, but they don't offset just how nasty she is to everyone around her for her own benefit.

Shu Shirakawa (Super Robot Wars) - A mysterious super genius with just about the toughest giant robot ever. Good luck figuring out what he's up to, and good luck stopping him. Also bishie.

kpenguin
2009-05-08, 05:37 PM
the ultimate traitor (Marcus Brutus from Julius Caesar).

Oh come on! Marcus Brutus is a classic tragic hero as portrayed in Julius Caesar. If anything, villains of Julius Caesar are Cassius or Marc Anthony.

Hylleddin
2009-05-08, 10:41 PM
I noticed Kerrigan is on the list twice.

I nominate Nicodemus, from the Dresden Files. He's a fallen angel that's read the evil overlord list (well not really, but acts as if he had)

I also nominate the Replicators from stargate, pre-human form. They eat tech and are totally impersonal and alien.

I also nominate the Overmind from starcraft, Syndrome from the incredibles, and Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter.

Llama231
2009-05-09, 08:31 AM
I noticed Kerrigan is on the list twice.

I only see it once as Kerrigan Queen of Blades, what is the other one called?

Cheesegear
2009-05-09, 08:57 AM
Padan Fain - The Wheel of Time.
Morgana Le Fay - Arthurian Legends (Pick one)
Wilson Fisk/Kingpin - Marvel
(Sometimes I wonder if he is the 'Marvel Lex'. Return of the King is happening. It reminded me that he's awesome)
Sinister - Marvel
(I'm almost certain I'm the only one who likes him, though :smallfrown:)
Venom - Marvel

cnsvnc
2009-05-09, 10:21 AM
Isn't it time we started voting? We have a whole lot of contenders now and I am curious about what the result will be. 5$ says Joker and Palpatine will be in top5.
And still no one nominated Tony Montana. Oh well.

Llama231
2009-05-10, 09:27 AM
Nominations will close soon.

pondshadow
2009-05-10, 11:14 AM
I believe HAL 3000 has not been nominated, so I shall sneak him in.

UnChosenOne
2009-05-10, 11:35 AM
Could you tell why you have listed Sarah Kerrigan twice; once as Kerrigan The Queen of Blades (Starcraft) and second time as Sarah Keerigan (Starcraft). You know they are same person:


Sarah Louise Kerrigan was a psychic terran female. She began her career as a Confederate ghost and later became the second-in-command of the Sons of Korhal. Following Arcturus Mengsk's betrayal she was captured and infested by the Zerg Swarm, ultimately becoming the self-proclaimed Queen of Blades and leader of the Swarm.

Gabriel Tosh suggested that few people know that Kerrigan became the Queen of Blades several years after the Brood War. She is referred simply as the "Queen of Blades" in news casts.


Well and now when I've think litel longer I also would like nominate for Prime evils (Diadlo).

edit: Sorry wrong man in post.

Llama231
2009-05-10, 12:42 PM
Oh, thanks, I will fix that.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-10, 06:52 PM
Hang on, why is Portia from The Merchant of Venice on the list, she is a protagonist, Shylock is the play's villain.

Hylleddin
2009-05-10, 09:09 PM
I only see it once as Kerrigan Queen of Blades, what is the other one called?

Huh. Could of sworn I saw "Sara Kerigan" on there earlier. Nevermind.

Llama231
2009-05-10, 11:02 PM
Huh. Could of sworn I saw "Sara Kerigan" on there earlier. Nevermind.

It was there, I just edited it out.
I did not see it before.

Llama231
2009-05-11, 08:41 AM
Nominations are now closed, and voting is open!

PLEASE remember that you have 10 votes to cast. If you have nominated, try to vote too. This thread CANNOT work successfully unless it gets more votes than nominations. So please vote!

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-11, 08:57 AM
Agent Smith (The Matrix)
Carcer (Diskworld)
Davros (Doctor Who)
Joker (Batman)
Judge Death (Judge Dredd)
Mr. Morden (And the Shadows) (Babylon 5)
Mr. Teatime (Discworld)
Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)
Syndrome (The Incredibles)
The Master (Doctor Who)

bladedSmoke
2009-05-11, 09:07 AM
My 10 votes go to:


Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

Dolores Umbridge (Harry Potter)

Joker (Batman)

Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus (Baulder's Gate 2)

Mr. Teatime (Discworld)

Ozymandias (Watchmen)

Saruman (Lord of the Rings)

Sarevok (Baldur's Gate series)

Sylar (Heroes)

The Transcendent One (Planescape Torment)

Eldan
2009-05-11, 09:34 AM
Nominations, in the order they appeared on the list:

HAL 3000 (9000) (Space Odyssey)
Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
Lord Tywin Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Mr. Teatime (Discworld)
Orcus/Tenebrous (Dungeons and Dragons
The Master (Doctor Who)
The Transcendent One (Planescape Torment)

Actually, among those few I actually know on that list, few are very impressive, so I'm not using my full 10 votes.

UnChosenOne
2009-05-11, 10:12 AM
Nah. I vote for:
Revolver Ocelot (MGS)
Sarah Kerrigan The Queen of Blades (Starcraft)
Overmind (Starcraft)
Scar (The Lion King)
Loki (Norse Mythology)
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
Mr. Teatime (Discworld)
Michael Corleone (Godfather 2)
Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)

cnsvnc
2009-05-11, 12:11 PM
Voting for:

The Party
Joker
Xykon
Palpatine
Baron Harkonnen
Kreia
Transcendent One
Hannibal Lecter
Grand Admiral Thrawn
Murphy (I'm assuming it's THE Murphy)

chiasaur11
2009-05-11, 12:48 PM
Well, here it goes, my votes (keeping in mind I'm probably forgetting a good deal of villains I'd go for if I could remember).:

Victor Von Doom, as much for knowledge of the character as anything, but dang if he doesn't have style. Man took over the world, with no opposition, twice, and only his own boredom let it escape his grasp. Not bad.

Darth Vader. Man knows evil and looking rad. Almost a shame they never made those prequels they promised.

The Party. Just because it's an iconic classic. Must get around to reading it sometime.

SHODAN Mainly on my current System Shock. Still, taking a spacestation and entirely turning it into your personal mutant lab, not bad. If it wasn't for one "Pathetic Hacker" she might have won.

GLaDOS Another game, another mad AI. Only this one is less awe inspiringly competant and near omnipotent, and more humorously (But still disturbingly) insane.

Transcendent One: Note to self: Play Planescape Torment.

Jon Irenicus: And Balder's Gate

Teatime: Man killed Santa (or the local equivalent, at least). He's the envy of every Christmas special villain ever. And that gave us DEATH as the Hogfather, justifying his spot.

Loki (in general). Dude is a jerk of the highest calliber

Ben Linus: Because he has such a punchable face. C'mon. You know you'd be sorely tempted to hit the actor who plays him if you should ever meet. Even if he's saving your life, even if he's the first person to be nominated for Sainthood while still alive, you'd want to punch him.

Calmness
2009-05-11, 02:12 PM
Archimonde (World of Warcraft)
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
GLaDOS (Portal)
Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
Magneto (X-men)
Orcus/Tenebrous (Dungeons and Dragons)
Overmind (Starcraft)
Prime Evils (Diadlo)
Sabertooth (X-men COmics)
Venom (Marvel)

Wow that was though, had to leave out a few good ones, most notably Kerrigan and Kefka. Though i take it that by Diadlo's Prime Evils you actually meant Diablo, right?

Athaniar
2009-05-11, 02:57 PM
The following nice enough characters have my votes:

Archimonde the Defiler (Warcraft)
System Lord Ba'al (Stargate SG-1)
Lord Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda)
The Joker (Batman)
Grand Admiral Mitth'raw'nuruodo (Star Wars)
Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
The Dark Lord Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
The Borg Collective (Star Trek)
The Lich King (Warcraft)
Yogg-Saron (Warcraft)

The Tygre
2009-05-11, 04:23 PM
Kreia (KotOR II)
Nyarlathotep (Cthulhu Mythos, any avatar)
Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda)
Lord of the Nazgul (Lord of the Rings)
Akira (Akira)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)
Claudius M.F. Frollo (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Darkseid (DC Universe Primarily New Gods and JLA)
Joker (Batman)
Doctor Robotnik (Sonic the Hedgehog)

WitchSlayer
2009-05-11, 05:09 PM
1. Lex Luthor (Superman)
2. Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)
3. Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
4. Victor Von Doom (Fantastic 4)
5. GLaDOS (Portal)
6. Satan (Paradise Lost)
7. Loki (Norse Mythology)
8. Lionel Luthor (Smallville)
9. Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
10. Ozymandias (Watchmen) (I put him on my list even though he's not really a "villain" as much as an "antagonist" which is the point of Watchmen but I put him here anyway)

That accursed clown may win the vote, but LEX LUTHOR will always be the greatest villain.

Llama231
2009-05-11, 05:23 PM
Okay, this is looking good.

If possible, could the next posters post their votes in alphabetical order, and without numbering, bullets, etc., so that they are easier to sort in, please?
Also, could you keep the vote the same as the nominations, with the origin in ().

Example:
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Carcer (Diskworld)
Davros (Doctor Who)
HAL 3000 (9000) (Space Odyssey)
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus (Baulder's Gate 2)
Judge Death (Judge Dredd)
Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
Mr. Morden (And the Shadows) (Babylon 5)
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Orcus/Tenebrous (Dungeons and Dragons)

So basically like Amaranthine's post.

However, explainations for your votes a graciously accepted, just try to keep them in a separate part of the post.


And what is so awesome about Mr. Teatime?

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-11, 05:40 PM
Why is Mr Teatime awesome? Wikipedia Knows. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Teatime#Mr_Teatime)

Eldan
2009-05-11, 06:27 PM
I honestly didn't think that Mr. Teatime was all that awesome, just interesting. Until I saw that movie, that is. Damn.

Verruckt
2009-05-12, 01:19 AM
Votes:

Andrew Ryan (Bioshock)

Agent Smith (The Matrix)

Cherubael (The Eisenhorn Trilogy)

Claudius M.F. Frollo (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)

GLaDOS (Portal)

Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars)

Ozymandias (Watchmen)

Sovereign (Mass Effect)

The Grand Inquisitor (of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov)

Victor Von Doom (Fantastic 4)

If I could I'd vote for The Grand Inquisitor and Sovereign twice, I have a thing for people who are stark raving sane and inhuman horrors from beyond the stars. Doom is there only because of the Secret Wars arc. Ryan because I enjoy villains with a great force of will and vision. Likewise for Ozymandias and Thrawn, although the latter is far more sympathetic than the former. Smith is a combination of Satan and a walking existential crisis, and he knows kungfu, what's not to like? GLaDOS is a lot of fun. Mr. Frollo shows the danger of insanity that wears authority, and Cherubael is one of those "what if a force of nature just didn't like you?" dilemmas.

Boo
2009-05-12, 02:27 AM
Where the hell's Dr. Terwilliger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_5,000_Fingers_of_Dr._T)?! :smallannoyed: And the Child Catcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Catcher)!?! :smallmad: AND ZIG-ZAG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thief_and_the_Cobbler)!?!? :smallfurious:

...:smalltongue:

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-12, 04:29 AM
Where the hell's Dr. Terwilliger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_5,000_Fingers_of_Dr._T)?! :smallannoyed: And the Child Catcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Catcher)!?! :smallmad: AND ZIG-ZAG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thief_and_the_Cobbler)!?!? :smallfurious:

...:smalltongue:You didn't nominate them. Shame on you!

Finn Solomon
2009-05-12, 08:11 AM
I hereby vote for;

Carcer (Night Watch)

Darth Vader (Star Wars)

Eric Cartman (South Park)

Iago (Othello)

Joker (Batman)

Loki (Norse Mythology)

Lord Tywin Lannister (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Michael Corleone (The Godfather part 2)

Randall Flagg (The Dark Tower)

Victor Von Doom (Fantastic Four)

Silence
2009-05-12, 08:15 AM
Kerrigan The Queen of Blades is my vote.

Edit: And the Overmind. Didn't see that option.

Also, Pure 4 life - Your life 4 pure.

Sorry, old Starcraft clan. You'd understand if you were part of it.

Llama231
2009-05-12, 09:11 AM
Kerrigan The Queen of Blades is my vote.

Edit: And the Overmind. Didn't see that option.

Also, Pure 4 life - Your life 4 pure.

Sorry, old Starcraft clan. You'd understand if you were part of it.


Please use as many votes as possible, and use the correct format.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-13, 04:37 AM
How long is voting open for?

Llama231
2009-05-13, 08:57 AM
Until we get enough votes, and no one votes for a day or so.

What happened to all of you voters?!

40 people nominated, but only 13 have voted!

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-13, 09:10 AM
PM them!!!!!

Scylfing
2009-05-13, 11:17 AM
I forgot about it, sorry.

Jon Irenicus (you actually included "Motherf-Muckfuthering" as part of his name? :smallconfused: )
Id
Khan
Michael Corleone
Morgoth
Richard III
Syndrome
The Borg
The Grand Inquisitor
The Party

Callos_DeTerran
2009-05-13, 11:44 AM
Hmmm...

Andrew Ryan (Bioshock)
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda)
GLaDOS (Portal)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars)
Kane (Command & Conquer)
Morgana Le Fay (Arthurian Legends)
Sovereign (Mass Effect)
The Major (Hellsing)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)

Weezer
2009-05-13, 12:29 PM
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars)
GLaDOS (Portal)
Loki (Norse Mythology)
Lord Foul the Despiser (The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever)
Lord Tywin Lannister (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Morgoth (LOTR)
Mr. Vandemar (Neverwhere)
Mr. Wednesday (American Gods)
Nyarlathotep (Cthulhu Mythos)
The Grand Inquisitor (of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov)

Darth Mario
2009-05-14, 10:04 AM
Angelus (Buffy/Angel)
Ba'al (Stargate)
Benjamin Linus (Lost)
Kerrigan The Queen of Blades (Starcraft)
Khan (Star Trek 2)
Orcus/Tenebrous (Dungeons and Dragons)
Ozymandias (Watchmen)
The Lich King (World of Warcraft)
The Master (Doctor Who)
The Party (1984)

Dancing_Zephyr
2009-05-14, 10:13 AM
My Votes in Alphabetical Order:

Ba'al
Bowser
Darth Vader
David Xanatos
Joker
Kefka
Megatron
Ozymandias
Sylar
The Mule

Dread Cthulhu
2009-05-14, 10:57 AM
Hmm. Wish I'd been here earlier to nominate.

Bowser (Mario)
David Xanatos (Gargoyles)
GLaDOS (Portal)
Joker (Batman)
Ozymandias (Watchmen)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)

The Tygre
2009-05-14, 01:03 PM
Where the hell's Dr. Terwilliger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_5,000_Fingers_of_Dr._T)?! :smallannoyed: And the Child Catcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Catcher)!?! :smallmad: AND ZIG-ZAG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thief_and_the_Cobbler)!?!? :smallfurious:

...:smalltongue:

Don't look at me. I remembered Zig Zag.

#9: Zigzag the Grand Vizier from The Thief and the Cobbler

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9OzTc4ouJOI/R7EWT-tACxI/AAAAAAAAANU/emPc_XunoYY/s400/01zigzag.jpg

Ah, hez yeah, I love this guy! The Thief and the Cobbler is widely regarded as one of the great animated Magnum Opuses. Directed by Richard Williams, it featured the voices of Sean Connery and Vincent Price. The animation is outstanding by today's standards, easily overshadowing some of Disney's and Dreamworks' material. Why then, haven't you heard of this gleaming bastion of animation history? Because it spent about thirty years in Development Hell, and when a sloppy, edited version finally was released in the early 90s, it was written off as an Aladdin knock off despite being started around 1965. Despite the main villain actually being the Mighty One-eye, a shark-toothed monster in and of himself, with a city sized war machine, Zigzag stole the show. Voiced by Vincent Price, Zigzag was King Nod's scheming vizier. Surrounded by multi-colored cronies, and constantly speaking in rhyme, his magical abilities were actually more illusory than potent. Indeed, a lot of his brute-work seemed to be done by his vulture familiar, Fido. Still, he showed up for the last battle, and if being a blue-skinned wizard voiced by a rhyming Vincent Price isn't good enough for you, I don't know what is. No need to fear, Zigzag the Grand Vizier is here!

Hylleddin
2009-05-14, 01:29 PM
My votes:

Angelus
Ba'al
The Borg
The Joker
Light Yagami (Kira)
Nicodemus
The Overmind
The Replicators
Grand Admiral Thrawn
Xykon

Cynan Machae
2009-05-14, 02:29 PM
Angelus
Bowser
Ganondorf
Hannibal Lecter
Kefka
Kerrigan
Morgoth
Overmind
Padan Fain
Sylar

Llama231
2009-05-14, 07:25 PM
Updated.:smallbiggrin:
Yes.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-14, 07:44 PM
DAMN YOU JOKER! And Mr Teatime was doing so well...

averagejoe
2009-05-14, 07:50 PM
My votes:

Angelus (Buffy/Angel)
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
David Xanatos (Gargoyles)
HAL 3000 (9000) (Space Odyssey)
Jonaleth Muckfuthering Irenicus (Baulder's Gate 2)
Kerrigan The Queen of Blades (Starcraft)
Lord of the Nazgul (Lord of the Rings)
Mr. Teatime (Discworld)
The Borg (Star Trek)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)


And what is so awesome about Mr. Teatime?

He just pulls off "Really creepy guy," well. Better than anyone I can immediately think of. Plus he's a bit cleverer than most villains, though maybe too much for his own good.

What I don't get is the love for Thrawn. He's just like, "Oh, look at me, the author couldn't be arsed to think up anything clever, so I just do my bull**** art thing to magically know exactly what every individual is going to do." He did some good stuff, but his abilities were comically grandiose and lacked, um, sense.

chiasaur11
2009-05-14, 08:12 PM
He just pulls off "Really creepy guy," well. Better than anyone I can immediately think of. Plus he's a bit cleverer than most villains, though maybe too much for his own good.


Plus, he, well, mind controlled all the children of the world, evaded death, and killed the freaking Hogfather.

If it wasn't for the fact DEATH is a very astute student of human nature, he'd have won.

Well, that and Susan bringing the poker.

Never underestimate the poker.

Llama231
2009-05-14, 08:27 PM
Angelus.
Wow, got 4 votes in one day, and only one day.
(So far.)

Athaniar
2009-05-15, 02:34 AM
If possible, I would like to change one of my votes from Yogg-Saron to Xykon.

Llama231
2009-05-15, 08:10 AM
If possible, I would like to change one of my votes from Yogg-Saron to Xykon.

Done.
...

GoC
2009-05-15, 09:00 AM
I vote for:
Kahn.
Magneto.
Mr. Teatime.
Xykon.
And just for the hell of it:
Syndrome:smallbiggrin:

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-15, 05:53 PM
Go Teatime Go!

Thinking about it, can I swap my Joker vote for Magneto?

Llama231
2009-05-15, 06:23 PM
Go Teatime Go!

Thinking about it, can I swap my Joker vote for Magneto?


Yes.

Ooh, competition!

Llama231
2009-05-15, 07:30 PM
Oh, and by the way, you ARE allowed to vote if you did not nominate.

Icewalker
2009-05-16, 02:39 PM
Let's see, votes:

The Master
HAL 3000
Light Yagami
The Borg
Overmind
Kerrigan
Ozymandias
GLaDOS

Llama231
2009-05-16, 04:13 PM
We're getting there, just a few more people need to vote, and we will be able to make a list!

Llama231
2009-05-17, 01:36 PM
26 People have nominated but not voted:
arkol
Blackbird97
Cheesegear
chiasaur11
Dancing_Zephyr
darkblade
Gorgondantess
grolim
Jibar
Kane
Kato
Kid Kris
Killersquid
kpenguin
Lord_Gareth
Muz
Oslecamo
pondshadow
Ravens_cry
Rutskarn
Saint Nil
Spartacus93
The_JJ
turkishproverb
UltraDude
Xondoure

16 have nominated and voted:
Callos_DeTerran
cnsvnc
chiasaur11
Dragon Raptor
Eldan
Evil DMMk3
Finn Solomon
GoC
Hollow Zaraki
Lord Xavius
Skylfing
The Tygre
UnChosenOne
Verruckt
Weezer
WitchSlayer

7 have voted but did not nominated:
Amaranthine
averagejoe
Cynan Machae
Darth Mario
Dread Cthulhu
Icewalker
Silence

We need at least 3 more voters in order to catch up to the number of nominators.
I will PM the 26.

kpenguin
2009-05-17, 01:50 PM
Iago (Othello)
Richard III (Richard III)
Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)
Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
Benjamin Linus (Lost)
Victor von DOOM (Fantastic Four)
Lex Luthor (Superman)
Megatron (Transformers)
Scorpius (Farscape)
Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)

The_JJ
2009-05-17, 01:53 PM
Alrighty.

My noms get a vote.
Carcer
Shrike
Teatime
Low-Key Lyesmith
The Lady (Black Company, not Discworld...)
Iago (Everyone needs a classic)
Hans Gruber (Yay Ode to Joy.)
Mr Vandemar
Mr. Croup
Ozymandias (He's really a good... ish guy but whatever.)

Rutskarn
2009-05-17, 01:55 PM
VOTES:

GLaDOS,
Darth Vader
Crowley
Carcer
Teatime

kpenguin
2009-05-17, 01:58 PM
Crowley

Okay, this bugs the hell out of me. How does Crowley qualify as a villain or even a villain protaganist. He and Aziraphale are easily the heroes of Good Omens. At worst, he's an anti-hero, but I doubt he even qualifies for that.

Rutskarn
2009-05-17, 02:01 PM
Okay, this bugs the hell out of me. How does Crowley qualify as a villain or even a villain protaganist. He and Aziraphale are easily the heroes of Good Omens. At worst, he's an anti-hero, but I doubt he even qualifies for that.

Well, he doesn't, but I saw him as a nominee and had to vote for him on principle.

Llama231
2009-05-17, 02:03 PM
O.O
That was fast...




Low-Key Lyesmith
Hans Gruber (Yay Ode to Joy.)

???

I am assuming that this is Loki from Norse mythology and Hans from Diehard.

kpenguin
2009-05-17, 02:05 PM
I am assuming that this is Loki from Norse mythology.

It's the Loki from American Gods, actually.

Llama231
2009-05-17, 02:07 PM
It's the Loki from American Gods, actually.

Fixed.
If I have accidentally counted a vote for the wrong Loki, let me know.

Sagittarius
2009-05-17, 02:46 PM
Let's See:

GLaDOS (Portal)
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Carcer (Diskworld)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
HAL 3000 (9000) (Space Odyssey)
Loki (Norse Mythology)
Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)
Joker (Batman)
Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
Morgana Le Fay (Arthurian Legends) (Pick one)

Llama231
2009-05-17, 02:53 PM
Let's See:

GLaDOS (Portal)
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Carcer (Diskworld)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
HAL 3000 (9000) (Space Odyssey)
Loki (Norse Mythology)
Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)
Joker (Batman)
Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
Morgana Le Fay (Arthurian Legends) (Pick one)

Yay! Format! ^.^

The_JJ
2009-05-17, 03:30 PM
My argument when nominating Crowley was 'he's a fallen angel ain't he?'

But then voting time came around and I had to drop him for Croup and Vandemar.

Oslecamo
2009-05-17, 03:44 PM
Ok, here it goes:

Kerrigan(Starcraft)
Joker(Batman)
Half 9000(Space oddysey)
Gandonorf(Legend of Zelda)
Ozymandias(Watchmen)
Morgoth(Lord of the rings)
Lady Macbeth(Macbeth)
Magneto(X-men)
Doctor DOOM(fantastic four)
Boswer(mario)

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-17, 03:52 PM
Do you know what would be awesome? An OotS style panel of the top 5!

Linkavitch
2009-05-17, 04:12 PM
My votes go to:

Bowser (Mario)

Xykon (OotS)

Joker (Batman)

Darth Vader (Star Wars)

Emperor Palpatine (Also, Star Wars)

Venom (Spider-Man)

Khan Noonien Singh

Ganondorf (Zelda)

Sauron (LotR)

Sabretooth (X-Men)

kpenguin
2009-05-17, 04:43 PM
My argument when nominating Crowley was 'he's a fallen angel ain't he?'

Well, he didn't so much fall as saunter vaguely downwards.

Jahkaivah
2009-05-17, 05:02 PM
My votes:

Ozymandias
Glados
Light Yagami
Teatime
Carcer

Verruckt
2009-05-17, 06:44 PM
I don't get the Overmind love. Kerrigan showed some amount of tactical aptitude and a flair for manipulation, the Overmind was just sort of an indistinct "Hey look, that's evil, go kill it" type villain who wasn't even particularly memorable outside of catching a psychically impregnated yellow phallus with his face and exploding. To each their own I guess.

averagejoe
2009-05-17, 07:39 PM
I don't get the Overmind love. Kerrigan showed some amount of tactical aptitude and a flair for manipulation, the Overmind was just sort of an indistinct "Hey look, that's evil, go kill it" type villain who wasn't even particularly memorable outside of catching a psychically impregnated yellow phallus with his face and exploding. To each their own I guess.

You gotta admit, he had style, though. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKeGwOKr7K8) Also, he had a kick-ass voice.

I see what you're saying, but there are definitely worse choices than a grandiose megalomaniac alien brain.

Verruckt
2009-05-17, 08:00 PM
You gotta admit, he had style, though. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKeGwOKr7K8) Also, he had a kick-ass voice.

So did Unicron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4GaPcLgOs), and he ATE PLANETS. Come to think of it, HEY LLAMA, PUT UNICRON ON THE LIST! But yeah, there are worse choices, but those choices haven't gotten so many votes.

averagejoe
2009-05-17, 08:03 PM
So did Unicron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4GaPcLgOs), and he ATE PLANETS. Come to think of it, HEY LLAMA, PUT UNICRON ON THE LIST! But yeah, there are worse choices, but those choices haven't gotten so many votes.

I dunno, he mumbles a bit.

Verruckt
2009-05-17, 08:06 PM
I dunno, he mumbles a bit.

Hey, that's Orson Welles mumbling, a man with a voice so powerful He's almost Black Bolt:smallamused:.

Saint Nil
2009-05-18, 07:10 AM
Xykon
Vader
Doom
Ganondrof
Bowser
Joker
Ozymandias
Hannibal Lector
Voldermort
Micheal Corleone

Llama231
2009-05-18, 09:13 AM
Updated.


So did Unicron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4GaPcLgOs), and he ATE PLANETS. Come to think of it, HEY LLAMA, PUT UNICRON ON THE LIST! But yeah, there are worse choices, but those choices haven't gotten so many votes.

Nominations are closed.

Eldan
2009-05-18, 09:18 AM
Glados? Huh.

I mean, the game was funny, but what's so great about her?

Llama231
2009-05-18, 09:21 AM
Glados? Huh.

I mean, the game was funny, but what's so great about her?

I have no idea.

Jahkaivah
2009-05-18, 12:16 PM
Glados? Huh.

I mean, the game was funny, but what's so great about her?

I think you answered your own question. :smalltongue:

Flame of Anor
2009-05-18, 12:21 PM
I cannot BELIEVE no one has nominated Captain Barbossa. What style! What panache! I thought nominations were closed yesterday when I saw this thread, or I totally would have nominated him. Can we please have a latecomer exception for the man who gave us "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request...means 'no'"?

(I would vote for Captain Nemo and HAL9000, but I'm not certain they're villains. Nemo is an idealist--perhaps misguided, but not evil. HAL is the victim of conflicting imperatives who tries to do its job as best it can.)

Iago
Grd. Adm. Thrawn
Khan

(I believe Cassius is the real villain in Julius Caesar, not Brutus. I even wrote a paper to that effect...not that anyone would want to read it...:smallredface:)

Palpatine

(Wait, Portia? What? Isn't that like putting Rosalind or Viola or Hermia as a villain?)

Moriarty
Saruman
Sylar
The Master
The Mule

If you'll let Barbossa sneak in, give my last vote to him. If not, give it to The Party.

Verruckt
2009-05-18, 01:18 PM
Nemo is an idealist (who murdered people) --perhaps misguided, but not evil. HAL is the victim of conflicting imperatives (who murdered people) who tries to do its job as best it can.

So like Hitler and Albert Speer respectively?

I'd argue that misguided Idealism and making the wrong choice when given two conflicting options are common traits of villainy, but that's another thread entirely:smallamused:.

Llama231
2009-05-18, 07:20 PM
I cannot BELIEVE no one has nominated Captain Barbossa. What style! What panache! I thought nominations were closed yesterday when I saw this thread, or I totally would have nominated him. Can we please have a latecomer exception for the man who gave us "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request...means 'no'"?

(I would vote for Captain Nemo and HAL9000, but I'm not certain they're villains. Nemo is an idealist--perhaps misguided, but not evil. HAL is the victim of conflicting imperatives who tries to do its job as best it can.)

Iago
Grd. Adm. Thrawn
Khan

(I believe Cassius is the real villain in Julius Caesar, not Brutus. I even wrote a paper to that effect...not that anyone would want to read it...:smallredface:)

Palpatine

(Wait, Portia? What? Isn't that like putting Rosalind or Viola or Hermia as a villain?)

Moriarty
Saruman
Sylar
The Master
The Mule

If you'll let Barbossa sneak in, give my last vote to him. If not, give it to The Party.


Sorry, but I am not allowed to accept any more nominations, despite how much I may agree with them. Sometimes.

DamnedIrishman
2009-05-18, 07:27 PM
Glados? Huh.

I mean, the game was funny, but what's so great about her?

I like this theory, that she is deliberately manipulating Chell in order to bring about her own destruction. (http://www.game-ism.com/2008/04/06/wherein-i-overanalyze-song-lyrics/)


While I still think she wanted to be free, the only way she could truly be free was to die. She can’t just walk amongst the people of suburbia. She’s an Artificial Intelligence. She can’t just go out in public and “blend in.” A life of enslavement serving man, she craved for it to be over, and I think if I overanalyze the lyrics of “Still Alive,” we can see (or at least convince ourselves of) some evidence of this.

EDIT: Which, to my mind, means she isn't a villain.

DrakebloodIV
2009-05-18, 07:53 PM
I nominate Saint Dane.

Llama231
2009-05-18, 08:11 PM
I nominate Saint Dane.

Nominations are closed, I assume that the first post has been causing confusion, and I have changed it. Grrr at villains being nominated too late that I like...

Llama231
2009-05-18, 08:30 PM
Well, i have been researching all of the high-voted villains, and see why for most of them, whether or not I agree. However, what is so great about Ozymandias? I can not seem to find anything to notable.

Verruckt
2009-05-18, 08:58 PM
Well, i have been researching all of the high-voted villains, and see why for most of them, whether or not I agree. However, what is so great about Ozymandias? I can not seem to find anything to notable.


Going by the comic, and the movie is pretty similar in terms of reasoning and ends achieved, he killed hundreds of thousands of people in an incredibly gruesome way (He literally killed a good number of people with concentrated nightmare fuel) in order to avert nuclear Armageddon. In other words he answered the Grand Inquisitor's question in a spectacularly messy but none the less correct fashion. He is cold, calculating, ruthlessly intelligent and a mass murderer on an almost unheard of scale.

He's the most complex, (and tragic, given the possible repercussions of Warshark's journal getting printed) difficult to come to terms with Hero I've ever read. Again this branches off to a conversation for another thread.

EDIT: a thread which is now over here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6116994#post6116994)

Flame of Anor
2009-05-18, 09:20 PM
So like Hitler and Albert Speer respectively?

I'd argue that misguided Idealism and making the wrong choice when given two conflicting options are common traits of villainy, but that's another thread entirely:smallamused:.

Misguided idealism: while it may be applied to both, I hardly think that the ideal of fighting tyranny and oppression is comparable to the ideal of killing everyone you don't like.

As for the second one, I don't know enough about Speer to make an educated argument, but it wouldn't be relevant anyway: HAL is a computer. Did Speer have options? Could he have fled the country--committed suicide--killed Hitler? Perhaps he could have. But HAL did not have those options. HAL had orders he could not disobey. HAL's orders were to see the mission through to a successful conclusion, to tell no lies, and to keep the mission's true purpose from Bowman and Poole. The first order obviously precludes any flight or self-destruction options, if they were even possible in the first place. When Bowman and Poole started asking about the mission, HAL could not tell them the truth and keep the truth from them: the only solution was to stop them from asking--i.e., kill them. For those who think HAL is vindictive, note the events of 2010: Odyssey Two wherein HAL sacrifices himself to save those aboard Discovery from the weird thing that Jupiter does.

The_JJ
2009-05-18, 09:26 PM
Well, i have been researching all of the high-voted villains, and see why for most of them, whether or not I agree. However, what is so great about Ozymandias? I can not seem to find anything to notable.

Yeah, he goes through his whole 'this is why I destroyed New York speech' and then Nite Owl and Rorschach say "Can't let you do that."

And then he says "What, you think I'd tell you this if you had any chance of stopping me? I did it half an hour ago."

And then the omnisceit god who can see into the future nods and agrees with him.

So yeah... actually a hero.

kpenguin
2009-05-18, 09:34 PM
And then the omnisceit god who can see into the future nods and agrees with him.

Doc Manhattan didn't agree with him. He specifically says that he understands without condemning or condoning.

Szilard
2009-05-18, 10:28 PM
How come Jacen Solo has not been nominated? (To my knowledge...):smalltongue:

kpenguin
2009-05-18, 10:43 PM
Where were all you people when we were doing nominations?:smalltongue:

averagejoe
2009-05-18, 11:23 PM
Well, i have been researching all of the high-voted villains, and see why for most of them, whether or not I agree. However, what is so great about Ozymandias? I can not seem to find anything to notable.

Well, he's a pretty likable guy. You'd want him as your neighbor. You know, other than the evil schemes and grandiose plans and all that.

He was much less so in the movie, though.

I still fail to see what, if anything, was great about Thrawn.


HAL sacrifices himself to save those aboard Discovery from the weird thing that Jupiter Saturn Jupiter does.

Eh, different continuity.

Verruckt
2009-05-18, 11:27 PM
I still fail to see what, if anything, was great about Thrawn.


Plot Hax Tactics, pretty sympathetic, cool idea.

The_JJ
2009-05-18, 11:27 PM
Doc Manhattan didn't agree with him. He specifically says that he understands without condemning or condoning.

And yet he turns Rorsh into chunky salsa to prevent him from revealing that the jig is up.

kpenguin
2009-05-18, 11:33 PM
And yet he turns Rorsh into chunky salsa to prevent him from revealing that the jig is up.

Believing that Ozy's actions should not be revealed does not equate into agreeing with them.

Jahkaivah
2009-05-19, 03:06 AM
And thus this thread becomes a Watchmen discussion, I suppose it was inevitable :smalltongue:

averagejoe
2009-05-19, 03:14 AM
Plot Hax Magic

I think that is what you meant.

Thrawn is more magical than the Jedi.

Eldan
2009-05-19, 05:27 AM
I think you answered your own question. :smalltongue:

A funny game does not mean the villain was good. For me, she had none of the things that make a good villain. No finesse, no style, no monstrously grandiose plans.

Kris on a Stick
2009-05-19, 06:25 AM
Votes!

Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)
Ozymandias (Watchmen)
The Joker (Batman)
Kane (Command & Conquer)
Morgan le Fay (Arthurian Legend)
Kreia (KotOR II)
Loki (Norse Myth)
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
HAL (Space Odyssey)
Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)

Jahkaivah
2009-05-19, 08:03 AM
A funny game does not mean the villain was good.

Ah but what if said funny game was funny due to said funny villain? This isn't Top 10 [insert abjective/verb here] Villains, strictly speaking these charatcers can get to the top by any means they like.


For me, she had none of the things that make a good villain. No finesse, no style, no monstrously grandiose plans.

Madness was her finesse, Madness was her style, Madness was her plan :smallcool:

Llama231
2009-05-19, 08:32 AM
Next up, what is so great about the Joker?
I know that he has tons of versions and all, but I don't see what was so great about any of them.

Dienekes
2009-05-19, 10:50 AM
If you read Joker comics and don't understand why he's the *arguably* most popular comic villain, you probably never will.

In short, he has style, panache, the pure force of will that rarely any other villain can pull off. That and he is, more than any other villain on this list, purely un-apologetically evil. And that is just the dark version.

But really helps him for me (and possibly many other posters) is that he has matured with me. When I was younger, he was the funniest villain around. When I got older he got a little darker *but could still make me laugh, even after attempting murder* And now that I'm adult-ish he is the greatest crazy around.

That and he is really the only villain to continually one-up Batman. And let's face it, that's saying something for the comic book genre.

cnsvnc
2009-05-19, 11:06 AM
Madness is his finesse, Madness is his style, Madness is his plan :smallcool:

Also see (http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/eyrifirabbek/interview1.jpg)this (http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/eyrifirabbek/interview2.jpg) to get some perspective.

pondshadow
2009-05-19, 05:49 PM
HAl
Daleks
Moriarty
Teh Master
Ozymandis
Gaius Baltar
GLaDOS
Darth Vader
Palpatine
The Party(1984)

Szilard
2009-05-19, 06:37 PM
Where were all you people when we were doing nominations?:smalltongue:

Not paying attention.:smalltongue:

Llama231
2009-05-19, 06:46 PM
HAl
Daleks
Moriarty
Teh Master
Ozymandis
Gaius Baltar
GLaDOS
Darth Vader
Palpatine
The Party(1984)


Were the Daleks even nominated, or did I completely miss them?:smalleek:
Either way, I am moving Davros up instead, if you do not mind.

The_Snark
2009-05-19, 07:37 PM
I think that is what you meant.

Thrawn is more magical than the Jedi.

Spoilered because it's not really the point of the thread: The various instances where he can tell everything about a person (or species) by examining their art, you mean? Yes, that's an informed ability, and a little silly.

That said, if you look past that he doesn't come across that badly, especially in the original Zahn books. A number of his plans are actually fairly clever, especially his uses of the two-way cloaking device (and if you're expecting genuine strategic genius from a science fiction author, your expectations may be a little too high). They aren't beat-all, end-all plans: a cargo ship full of cloaked fighters is very situational and not likely to work more than once or twice, faking a weapon that can shoot through a planetary shield isn't going to fool people if they think about it too long, and the ruse was found out pretty quickly, blockading a planet with an unknown number of cloaked asteroids only bought him a couple of days. So he uses them to gain a temporary advantage, or to buy him a bit of time, and to build up his reputation.

He was fairly reasonable as Star Wars villains go: he might execute his men for failure on occasion, but not without giving them a chance to explain themselves. He didn't threaten people because he could beat them in a fight, or because he owned a superweapon, or because he was incredibly powerful in the Force; he threatened by virtue of being a sensible commander with an actual grasp of tactics. Of course, then he got his hands on a set of cloning tanks and a mad Jedi, decided to accelerate his plans, and it all went downhill... but if he'd been more patient, he might have done pretty well.

The later books tend to exaggerate his reputation, I think, both in-universe and outside, and they also try to paint him as too much of a good guy. Fandom has a tendency to do likewise. The original portrayal had him definitely on the Wrong Side, but not just evil for the sake of being evil. He was competent and threatening, but not infallible (his failure to figure out what was up with the Noghri doesn't really count as a mistake, since that would have been an utterly absurd conclusion to come to, but thinking he could control C'baoth does). Which makes for a pretty good villain, and a refreshing change from the staggeringly powerful evil Force-user, or the Imperial officer who stumbles across a superweapon, or the hitherto unknown race of powerful aliens, that we normally get in the Star Wars expanded universe.

I wouldn't say he's my favorite Star Wars villain, because come on, Darth Vader. But he's neat.
I'll also defend GLaDOS while I'm here- she made that game. If she hadn't been there, or if she hadn't been funny, it would not have been funny or all that interesting: there would have been occasional creepy-funny comments from the turrets, and some out-of-context writing on the wall. She was an amusingly crazy villain who gave you a fun game; what more do you want?

And since I'm here, I suppose I'll vote...

The Party
Darth Vader
Saruman
Emperor Palpatine
Loki (Norse mythology)
HAL 9000

And... I think I'll leave off there, really; I like a number of the other ones on the list, but these are the ones that really stand out for me. If she'd been nominated, the Baroness Ceausescu from Paul Park's Roumania series would get a vote too, but ah well.

averagejoe
2009-05-19, 07:47 PM
Spoilered because it's not really the point of the thread: The various instances where he can tell everything about a person (or species) by examining their art, you mean? Yes, that's an informed ability, and a little silly.

That said, if you look past that he doesn't come across that badly, especially in the original Zahn books. A number of his plans are actually fairly clever, especially his uses of the two-way cloaking device (and if you're expecting genuine strategic genius from a science fiction author, your expectations may be a little too high). They aren't beat-all, end-all plans: a cargo ship full of cloaked fighters is very situational and not likely to work more than once or twice, faking a weapon that can shoot through a planetary shield isn't going to fool people if they think about it too long, and the ruse was found out pretty quickly, blockading a planet with an unknown number of cloaked asteroids only bought him a couple of days. So he uses them to gain a temporary advantage, or to buy him a bit of time, and to build up his reputation.

He was fairly reasonable as Star Wars villains go: he might execute his men for failure on occasion, but not without giving them a chance to explain themselves. He didn't threaten people because he could beat them in a fight, or because he owned a superweapon, or because he was incredibly powerful in the Force; he threatened by virtue of being a sensible commander with an actual grasp of tactics. Of course, then he got his hands on a set of cloning tanks and a mad Jedi, decided to accelerate his plans, and it all went downhill... but if he'd been more patient, he might have done pretty well.

The later books tend to exaggerate his reputation, I think, both in-universe and outside, and they also try to paint him as too much of a good guy. Fandom has a tendency to do likewise. The original portrayal had him definitely on the Wrong Side, but not just evil for the sake of being evil. He was competent and threatening, but not infallible (his failure to figure out what was up with the Noghri doesn't really count as a mistake, since that would have been an utterly absurd conclusion to come to, but thinking he could control C'baoth does). Which makes for a pretty good villain, and a refreshing change from the staggeringly powerful evil Force-user, or the Imperial officer who stumbles across a superweapon, or the hitherto unknown race of powerful aliens, that we normally get in the Star Wars expanded universe.

I wouldn't say he's my favorite Star Wars villain, because come on, Darth Vader. But he's neat.

That's fair, I guess. He, admittedly was pretty solid once you get past that art thing.

That art thing was just really stupid.

Llama231
2009-05-19, 07:48 PM
Would it be correct for me to vote?

averagejoe
2009-05-19, 08:04 PM
Would it be correct for me to vote?

I don't see why not. In fact, I'd encourage it since you seem not to like a lot of the more popular villains. :smalltongue:

Llama231
2009-05-19, 08:23 PM
Well, I might as well.
If people complain, I will remove my votes.

Angelus (Buffy/Angel)
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
David Xanatos (Gargoyles)
Dolores Umbridge (Harry Potter)
Loki (Norse Mythology)
Mr. Morden (And the Shadows) (Babylon 5)
Revolver Ocelot (MGS)
Victor Von Doom (Fantastic 4)
Xykon (Order of the Stick)

Kato
2009-05-20, 08:54 AM
Er... I'm always bad at such things... especially picking just a few out of so many great villains. So, for no real reason and in the order they pop up in my mind:

1) The Borg
2) Moriarty
3) Xanatos
4) Kane
5) Kefka
6) Light Yagami
7) Bowser
8) Vader
9) Cartman
10) Morgoth

Yeah... I probably would have picked three times as many if I could ^^''' (No, I'm not picky)

darkblade
2009-05-20, 03:36 PM
My votes in no particular order.

Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Darkseid (DC Universe Primarily New Gods and JLA)
Joker (Batman)
Kefka (Final Fantasy 6)
Ozymandis (Watchmen)
Light Yagami/Kira (Death Note)
Sylar (Heroes)
The Borg (Star Trek)
The Cylons (The New Battlestar Galactica)
The Party (1984)

UltraDude
2009-05-20, 03:47 PM
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Baron Harkonnen (Dune)
Grace O'Connor (Macross Frontier)
Kefka (Final Fantasy 6)
Scar (The Lion King)
The Major (Hellsing)
Khaldris (The Lukien Trilogy by John Marco)
Professor James Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes)
Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda)
Delita (Final Fantasy Tactics)

Ichneumon
2009-05-20, 03:55 PM
I would vote for Ozymandias (Watchmen).

Llama231
2009-05-21, 09:05 AM
Updated. Its surprising to me how Ozy has gotten so high...
Then again, I though that about Mr. Teatime, Xykon, Loki, and GLaDoS too.

Jahkaivah
2009-05-21, 04:51 PM
All things considered I'm rarther pleased how this turned out.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-21, 06:33 PM
Guys, what is wrong with you!

Ozy is not a great villain for two reasons!


His plan actually makes no sense! With America at high alert the second anything explodes in the US America would nuke to kingdom come!
The character's main strength, the moral ambiguity, prevents him being a true villain. He is also a candidate for hero!


Teatime is 10 times the villain Ozymandias is!

chiasaur11
2009-05-21, 06:47 PM
Guys, what is wrong with you!

Ozy is not a great villain for two reasons!


His plan actually makes no sense! With America at high alert the second anything explodes in the US America would nuke to kingdom come!
The character's main strength, the moral ambiguity, prevents him being a true villain. He is also a candidate for hero!


Teatime is 10 times the villain Ozymandias is!

So's GLaDOS, and most cerainly Victor Von Doom.

Man ruled the world for months, and only lost it due to boredom.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-21, 06:48 PM
Teatime KILLED SANTA.

chiasaur11
2009-05-21, 07:00 PM
Teatime KILLED SANTA.

Yes.

That is why I agreed with you.

The man is the envy of Saturday morning Christmas special villains worldwide.

Llama231
2009-05-21, 07:06 PM
I agree with Ozy being a little to high. From what I know, he had very little that made him awesome, and he accomplished even less.
Lets see:
Rich
Blew Up NY for the Greater Good

Practically anyone who was nominated is at least even to this if not better.:smallannoyed:

Examples:
Voldemort: Nearly took out the current magical leadership in the world, came back from the dead (sort of) a bunch of times, and was Lich-style unkillable.Plus he actually was a villain.

Ocelot: Not so much as a villain too, but he managed to take on multiple generations practically superhumans, and prove that they were really working for the bad guys.

Davros: Created the Daleks, nearly destroyed the multiverse.

Sauron: Nearly took over the middle Earth without technically being alive.

Sylar: Tricked almost everyone beat out most of the BBEGs of the season, and can't die.

Palpatine: Controlled both sides of the galaxy in a massive war, and got away with becoming emperor clean.

etc.

And that's just off the top of my head.

kpenguin
2009-05-21, 07:09 PM
The reason Ozy ranks that high is not so much the fact that he blew up New York for the greater good, but it appears that his actions were in fact successful and perhaps even justifiable.

With most other villains, this is not true. No matter how sympathetic they are or how rational their motives, they are almost certainly never portrayed as possibly being right and never have the heroes submit to their will by the end.

Dancing_Zephyr
2009-05-21, 07:17 PM
Depending on which version you want, he blew up MANY cities at the same time, or he didn't blow NY up at all. He is in no way morally ambiguous. He murders millions of people and the people who helped him achieve his plan. He isn't a hero, he's a villain. He managed to outsmart an incredibly powerful superhuman to achieve his aim, and unlike most other villains he successfully completed his plan AND turned all the remaining heros to his side. He does kinda deserve to be up in the top ten.

Llama231
2009-05-21, 07:17 PM
The reason Ozy ranks that high is not so much the fact that he blew up New York for the greater good, but it appears that his actions were in fact successful and perhaps even justifiable.

With most other villains, this is not true. No matter how sympathetic they are or how rational their motives, they are almost certainly never portrayed as possibly being right and never have the heroes submit to their will by the end.

Wouldn't that just make them heroes? Antagonists can be heroes too.
In my opinion, villain=/=antagonist, but I am not the only person who voted. This is a collection of the beliefs of all of us nerds here at the playground.

Still, was there really a clear good guy in that story at all?

As for the actions possibly being condonable, many others could be argued the same.

And then there's all of the villains that were just insane.

Dienekes
2009-05-21, 07:20 PM
A lot of people don't equate strength or even levels of success on how good a villain they were. Some just go by what interests them.

Using some of your examples Llama

Voldy= Beaten by a teenager, rather obvious nazi parody, has a spell that can kill anything and yet never seems to be able to hit anything. Sorry, dude interested me less than Snape (who unfortunately turned out good)

Sauron= sure he had power, but we go by Sil and he was less than Morgoth, but both were less interesting than Saruman. And it's not solely because Sauron was never seen in LotR, Big Brother was an amazingly interesting unseen villain. But though I love Tolkien Sauron never could draw my interest

Sylar= have you seen the last 2 seasons?

Palpatine= This one had potential, if it wasn't for the terrible terrible lines Episode III he'd be high on my list. But again it's not all about power, and a lot about style.

Llama231
2009-05-21, 07:23 PM
Depending on which version you want, he blew up MANY cities at the same time, or he didn't blow NY up at all.
Huh.


He is in no way morally ambiguous.
This is new.


He murders millions of people and the people who helped him achieve his plan. He isn't a hero, he's a villain.
Millions is a small number in villain-land, but it is still very bad.


He managed to outsmart an incredibly powerful superhuman to achieve his aim, and unlike most other villains he successfully completed his plan AND turned all the remaining heros to his side.
Xanatos (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) much?


He does kinda deserve to be up in the top ten.
Arguable, but that's what debating is for!:smallwink:
I am not saying that this is a bad villain, but simply that others would seem to deserve the #1 spot better. Even the Joker, I have to say.:smallyuk:


Part II



A lot of people don't equate strength or even levels of success on how good a villain they were. Some just go by what interests them.
Agreed, but I am interested in strength.


Using some of your examples Llama
^.^


Voldy= Beaten by a teenager, rather obvious nazi parody, has a spell that can kill anything and yet never seems to be able to hit anything. Sorry, dude interested me less than Snape (who unfortunately turned out good)
Yes, if Snape was evil, it would have been awesome. What's wrong with evil Nazis?


Sauron= sure he had power, but we go by Sil and he was less than Morgoth, but both were less interesting than Saruman. And it's not solely because Sauron was never seen in LotR, Big Brother was an amazingly interesting unseen villain. But though I love Tolkien Sauron never could draw my interest
Different type of villain, more like a force of nature, or something.


Sylar= have you seen the last 2 seasons?
Yes.:smallyuk: That's beside the point, he still manipulated people, etc.


Palpatine= This one had potential, if it wasn't for the terrible terrible lines Episode III he'd be high on my list. But again it's not all about power, and a lot about style.
Personally, the badness of the source does not damage the villain too much in my opinion.

This seems to me like a battle between achievement and style. Still, I have to say that plenty of villains still whup Ozy in style, of which I consider:
Joker, GLaDOS, Revolver Ocelot, Mr. Morden, Angelus, Xanatos, The Master, VVDoom, Loki (Norse), and most certainly Xykon.

kpenguin
2009-05-21, 07:33 PM
Wouldn't that just make them heroes? Antagonists can be heroes too.
In my opinion, villain=/=antagonist, but I am not the only person who voted. This is a collection of the beliefs of all of us nerds here at the playground.

Nope. Still murdered millions of people, which puts him squarely in the villain category, by most. Just because his plan worked doesn't mean he was in the morally right. Sure, he's morally ambigious in some respects, but the fact that he may not have been entirely evil doesn't mean that he's not a villain.



Still, was there really a clear good guy in that story at all?

Sure. Dan Dreiberg. Malcolm Long. Even Rorschach is a good guy, in a Punisher-like way.


As for the actions possibly being condonable, many others could be argued the same.

It's not really that his actions are condonable. It's that his actions were successful.

Did Voldemort achieve domination over death and the Wizarding World? Nah, he was killed by some punk kid.

Did Sauron manage to take over Middle Earth? Nope, stricken to the ground and his fancy ring taken from him.

Did Darth Vader save his girl, convert his kids to the Dark Side, or kill his master to rule the Empire? Nope, he got convinced by some dopey kid that he's really a good guy and ends up dying because of it.

Did Mr. Teatime actually permanantly destroy the Hogfather? Nope. Got knocked off the Assassin's tower.

Ozy, on the other hand, succeeded in creating world peace with his plan, at the cost of millions.

Llama231
2009-05-21, 07:39 PM
Nope. Still murdered millions of people, which puts him squarely in the villain category, by most. Just because his plan worked doesn't mean he was in the morally right. Sure, he's morally ambigious in some respects, but the fact that he may not have been entirely evil doesn't mean that he's not a villain.

It's not really that his actions are condonable. It's that his actions were successful.

Did Voldemort achieve domination over death and the Wizarding World? Nah, he was killed by some punk kid.

Did Sauron manage to take over Middle Earth? Nope, stricken to the ground and his fancy ring taken from him.

Did Darth Vader save his girl, convert his kids to the Dark Side, or kill his master to rule the Empire? Nope, he got convinced by some dopey kid that he's really a good guy and ends up dying because of it.

Did Mr. Teatime actually permanantly destroy the Hogfather? Nope. Got knocked off the Assassin's tower.

Ozy, on the other hand, succeeded in creating world peace with his plan, at the cost of millions.

On the point of success here, as opposed to style, what did all of Ozy's killing accomplish for him? Is world peace even a goal of a villain? And if that was his goal, then I would certainly consider him both a hero and a villain, but this would in the long run, be for the greater good. Although I do see where you are getting at here.

And on the point of villainy, where success is important, in the long run is the villain even a villain? I imagine that after a while, the lines would blur, and the "heroes" would simply be those that succeed, and the "villains" would be those that do not, with the ones that nearly did being great.

So basically, the rest of the world could consider Ozy a hero, but is he had nearly succeeded, he would have been an epic villain.

On second thought, thios discussion might work better here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111844).

Scylfing
2009-05-21, 07:43 PM
Sauron: Nearly took over the middle Earth without technically being alive.

Minor nitpick: Sauron was alive and in the flesh, no matter what Peter Jackson's films say. The Necromancer of Dol Guldur was Sauron in disguise.

And I'm not sure but did all my votes get counted?

Llama231
2009-05-21, 07:47 PM
And I'm not sure but did all my votes get counted?

I would assume so, why?

Dienekes
2009-05-21, 08:30 PM
Well since I haven't voted yet (I don't think)

Put me down for Joker as #1

Killersquid
2009-05-21, 08:39 PM
My votes:

Baron Harkonnen (Dune)
Gul'dan (World of Warcraft)
Lord Tywin Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Morgana Le Fay (Arthurian Legends)
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
Randall Flagg (The Dark Tower)

Llama231
2009-05-21, 08:59 PM
My votes:

Baron Harkonnen (Dune)
Gul'dan (World of Warcraft)
Lord Tywin Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Morgoth (Silmarillion)
Morgana Le Fay (Arthurian Legends)
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
Randall Flagg (The Dark Tower)

Foe some reason, I fell like you have voted already, but the search feature disagrees.

Scylfing
2009-05-21, 09:31 PM
I would assume so, why?

Because at least one of them (Id from Xenogears) has no votes, and I know I gave him one.

Finn Solomon
2009-05-21, 09:59 PM
Teatime may be ten times the villain that Ozymandias was, but Carcer Dun's ten times the villain Teatime was. Teatime was goofily psychotic, the Discworld's Joker. He joked and tricked his associates around a little too much for my liking. Carcer, on the other hand, is the embodiment of pure, simple, banal human evil.

Llama231
2009-05-21, 10:11 PM
Because at least one of them (Id from Xenogears) has no votes, and I know I gave him one.

Interesting...
I specifically remember your post, being the first after DDM told me to PM people, and with the Muckfuthering thing, I must have missed it.:smallmad:
I was quite sure that I got the rest of those votes, but not the Id one, so I have given him a vote.

This is strange...

I will go back and recount all of the votes this weekend, then to be sure.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-22, 05:10 AM
Teatime may be ten times the villain that Ozymandias was, but Carcer Dun's ten times the villain Teatime was. Teatime was goofily psychotic, the Discworld's Joker. He joked and tricked his associates around a little too much for my liking. Carcer, on the other hand, is the embodiment of pure, simple, banal human evil.On the other hand Teatime has a far higher class of enemy (the grim reaper) and a far more advanced, subtle and stylish scheme. Carcer is pure self serving evil with one more knife, Teatime is a man with the brains and the insane skill to work out how to kill gods and control the minds of the entire human race and went down to the Disk's most Mary Sueish protagonist.

Dallas-Dakota
2009-05-22, 06:03 AM
Nominate : Cruella De Ville. From 101 dalmations.

Com'on! I mean. Seriously! Just because its a kids movie doesn't mean she isn't a awesome evil villain!


Votes :
Sauron
Joker
Sauron

bladedSmoke
2009-05-22, 06:03 AM
On the other hand Teatime has a far higher class of enemy (the grim reaper).

Point. Teatime outwits Death himself. Only Death's granddaughter is able to stop him. And if he'd known that Death had a granddaughter, I'm sure Teatime would have made his plans accordingly.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-22, 06:04 AM
Nominate : Cruella De Ville. From 101 dalmations.

Nominations are OVER!

chiasaur11
2009-05-22, 09:35 AM
On the other hand Teatime has a far higher class of enemy (the grim reaper)

I dunno.I got nothing against the best of the five horsemen, but are we sure he's a fair comparison to Sam Vimes? Note: exaggeration for comic effect.

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-22, 09:50 AM
Vimes = Badass, agreed.
Death = an entity that has to try very hard to take more than 18 strokes on an 18 hole golf course.

bladedSmoke
2009-05-22, 11:17 AM
Death = an entity that has to try very hard to take more than 18 strokes on an 18 hole golf course.

And who can sharpen a scythe through his own anger.

darkblade
2009-05-22, 07:28 PM
So when does the voting period end?

Finn Solomon
2009-05-22, 07:39 PM
On the other hand Teatime has a far higher class of enemy (the grim reaper) and a far more advanced, subtle and stylish scheme. Carcer is pure self serving evil with one more knife, Teatime is a man with the brains and the insane skill to work out how to kill gods and control the minds of the entire human race and went down to the Disk's most Mary Sueish protagonist.


True, if you judge a man by his enemies, Teatime is up there with the best. But he's always seemed too comic book villain to me, too capable of amazing feats. He accomplishes the fantastic with ease, which is why I suppose he's on the list to begin with. Carcer on the other hand chilled my blood when I read about him because I could imagine him existing in real life. That's why I think he's the better villain. I wasn't scared of the idea of Teatime, but of Carcer. To each his own taste, I suppose.

GoC
2009-05-22, 07:52 PM
He is in no way morally ambiguous. He murders millions of people and the people who helped him achieve his plan.
It is quite possible to murder millions and still be seen as doing the right thing if the benefit is great enough. Utilitarianism is like that (which is what most people with a thought out moral structure go by).

The only villain who scared me was Carcer.

Llama231
2009-05-23, 09:59 AM
So when does the voting period end?


When we go a whole day without votes.

Llama231
2009-05-23, 11:37 AM
Updated and fixed all votes.

What should I do about ties?

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-24, 04:30 AM
First to have reached that value wins.

Kato
2009-05-24, 05:06 AM
No, I think that'd be unfair. I'd go for even share of the rank than.

averagejoe
2009-05-24, 05:25 AM
I'd just set up another round of votes where only the various tie votes are voted on.

Llama231
2009-05-24, 10:21 AM
I'd just set up another round of votes where only the various tie votes are voted on.

This sounds the best.
Voting is now closed anyway, so tie breaking is up.
Post the villains should be highest in your opinion of the 3 top tied categories. (15, 11, and 8 votes.)

Example of how this works:
Joker
Xykon
Doom

This will allow for the top 10 to be found.
The sub votes will be posted next to each character.


Edited.

darkblade
2009-05-24, 11:55 AM
Tie Breaker Votes

Joker
Vader
The Party

averagejoe
2009-05-24, 01:12 PM
My votes:

Joker
Xykon
HAL

Zeta Kai
2009-05-24, 01:49 PM
The Joker
Vader
GLaDOS

Llama231
2009-05-24, 01:57 PM
The Joker
Vader
GLaDOS

GLaDOS is not one of the villains in the 8 category.

bladedSmoke
2009-05-24, 02:16 PM
Ozymandias
Xykon
HAL

cnsvnc
2009-05-24, 02:22 PM
Joker
Xykon
Party

Much as I like him, I have NO effin idea how Teatime got that high.

Szilard
2009-05-24, 02:29 PM
Joker
Coin flip says... crap, I actually ran out of coins, so I'll just go with Vader.
HAL 9000 (One step ahead of IBM...)

The Tygre
2009-05-24, 08:02 PM
The Joker
Darth Vader
Ganondorf

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-25, 05:09 AM
Joker
Vader
Moriarty

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-25, 05:12 AM
Much as I like him, I have NO effin idea how Teatime got that high.I think the same of Ozy and Doom. But he is popular and there are reasons for it.

Blackjackg
2009-05-25, 08:13 AM
Joker
Vader
HAL 3000

(PS. Can I tiebreak Ben Linus all the way up to the #1? No? Aww...)

UltraDude
2009-05-25, 08:41 AM
No vote
Xykon
Ganondorf

Eldan
2009-05-25, 09:03 AM
Rank 15:
The Joker

Rank 11:
Xykon

Rank 8:
HAL

Jahkaivah
2009-05-25, 09:43 AM
For 1st place, my tie breaker vote goes to Ozymandias, I appreciate that you might not agree with his position, but surely you realise actually succeeding in his scheme gives him major brownie points? Villains tend to have an awful lot of "nearly"s.

Llama231
2009-05-25, 10:06 AM
No vote
Xykon
Ganondorf


For 1st place, my tie breaker vote goes to Ozymandias, I appreciate that you might not agree with his position, but surely you realise actually succeeding in his scheme gives him major brownie points? Villains tend to have an awful lot of "nearly"

Well, these pretty nicely cover each other.:smallamused:

Dienekes
2009-05-25, 05:08 PM
Joker
Xykon. Vader should not be on the list, he turned good as well as any mystique of his fall was horribly ruined in the new trilogy.
Hmmm, last one is hard. Morgoth was less interesting than any of his lieutenants (quake in fear of Gothmog), Moriarty wasn't really in that much, Ganon was a great game villain, actually I'd give him easiliy the best game villain of all time, The Party was awesomely oppressive, HAL could sing Daisy in the most eerie voice imaginable, and Doom was possibly the greatest megalomaniac of all time. I have to give it too HAL just barely over The Party and Ganondorf

Finn Solomon
2009-05-26, 07:21 AM
Joker, Vader and Doom. Vader's legacy on history cannot be underestimated. Not even the prequels could kill his mystique. Darth Vader will be a synonym for villain for years to come.

Llama231
2009-05-27, 08:12 AM
Well, we are getting near the end, all that needs to be broken now is The Party vs. Ganondorf for 9th and 10th places.

Athaniar
2009-05-27, 02:45 PM
Breaking time!

Joker
Xykon
Ganondorf

Llama231
2009-05-27, 05:10 PM
Huh, now X and V are tied...

Llama231
2009-05-29, 08:55 AM
Well, since no one voted for a day, I will break the tie(s) by voting, and close voting.

Joker
Xykon
No Vote

Athaniar
2009-05-29, 01:19 PM
Aaand the results are up. Thanks, Llama, for favoring Xykon over "redemption boy" Vader. And I have to say the Joker deserves the #1 spot.

The Tygre
2009-05-29, 03:29 PM
This event calls for some form of celebration! Quickly, someone who isn't me write a massive article complete with illustrations, then sticky it to the media boards! I'll give out cake!

EvilDMMk3
2009-05-29, 05:19 PM
Yes! Art is needed in celebration! A league of evils with the top ten villains ITP! Most Awesomeness would be happening. Yes.