Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness #120

[cycoris]

Ah, the playground. And how are you all this fine morning?

I'm well. I made cake yesterday. Orange coffee cake. Might go have some for brekky. :smallsmile:

*skips off*

[Nameless]

Give it a hug maybe? Curling up in a ball and laying down might make you feel better as well.

It's okay, I'm feeling better now. :smallsmile:

*goes off to eat more*


Ah, the playground. And how are you all this fine morning?

I'm well. I made cake yesterday. Orange coffee cake. Might go have some for brekky.

*skips off*

Morning! *steals cake*
:smallsmile:

[Rawhide]

I will now take a moment to remind everyone NOT to restart this thread when it reaches 50 pages. The next thread has already been reserved. If the person isn't around to restart it, please let it just roll over the 50 pages (I will make the second post to confirm that the new one is the correct one).

[Jkoshe]

(Can do mr. Rawhide sir)

I'm glad your feeling better nameless. :smallbiggrin:

[DraPrime]

So today I woke up at 5:30 in the morning, convinced that my friend was getting married, and that I had to stop her. After frantically looking for my cell phone for 10 minutes, I realized that I had just confused a dream with reality. I then spent the next 20 minutes trying to figure what the hell was actually real.

It was a fun morning.

[cycoris]

Morning! *steals cake*
:smallsmile:

:smalleek::smallfrown::smallmad:

I WANT MY CAAAAAAKE! [/whiny voice]

[Dragonrider]

I woke up this morning all prepared to do homework, and then I saw that I'd left Zoo Tycoon up on my computer (game paused) and spent the last twenty minutes on sea lions. :smalltongue:

[KilltheToy]

So today I woke up at 5:30 in the morning, convinced that my friend was getting married, and that I had to stop her. After frantically looking for my cell phone for 10 minutes, I realized that I had just confused a dream with reality. I then spent the next 20 minutes trying to figure what the hell was actually real.

It was a fun morning.

That does sound like fun. I've had many times where I've fallen asleep in class then woken up convinced that I've slept too long and it's now next period. Good times.



Ireland without internet--that narrows it down.

Proposition: Why do Hollywood cars explode when they ignite?
Solution: Americans shed gunpowder, like an awesome aura of American-ness, which gathers on the upholstery.

*grabs lighter*

I'm going to go test that theory. I'll let you know the results :smallamused:

[dish]

Well, since the last time I was here I have:

- bought a new mini laptop (in case anybody is vaguely interested it's a Dell Inspiron mini with 3G broadband - which is quite a new thing over here. The only problem is: the operating system is in Chinese; so every time I want to change something I have to ask my husband for help, and then he monopolizes the computer for hours and I can't get back on it.

- spent 24 hours at a Chinese hot spring resort. "Wen chuan" is the precise Chinese equivalent of the Japanese "onsen", except the Chinese ones tend to be a bit kitschier and there's no public nudity involved. It's still great fun, and I got so relaxed that I almost broke my sworn vow of internet anonymity by posing for pictures which I intended to post on the You thread. Luckily (unluckily?) fate decided to intervene by causing my husband to drop my mobile - with all the photos saved on it - directly into the hot spring pool.

- worked in Nanjing today.

- bumped into the Chairman of the ruling party of Taiwan and his entire entourage in the hotel lobby. Almost literally - I was walking out to buy a carton of milk as they all came sailing in. (The entourage consists of six gleaming black Mercedes Benz, five mini-buses full of people in suits, a police escort on motorbikes, and an ambulance. I have no idea why they need an ambulance, since all the people in suits seem perfectly healthy, but apparently they do. Possibly it's just a precaution?)

[Fredthefighter]

:smalleek::smallfrown::smallmad:

I WANT MY CAAAAAAKE! [/whiny voice]

You can have mine.
*Gives cake*
I don't want it.
:smallsmile:

[DraPrime]

You can have mine.
*Gives cake*
I don't want it.
:smallsmile:

Can I also have cake?

[Fredthefighter]

Can I also have cake?

Yes, you may.
*Bakes extra cake*
*Gives cake*

[Nameless]

:smalleek::smallfrown::smallmad:

I WANT MY CAAAAAAKE! [/whiny voice]

Sorry. *gives cake back* O.O

[cycoris]

You can have mine.
*Gives cake*
I don't want it.
:smallsmile:

*huggles Fred*

*shares cake*

@Dragonprime, you can have some of Fred's cake.

EDIT: since I got my cake back, Dragonprime can have the cake that Freddie-foo gave me.

[Fredthefighter]

*huggles Fred*

*shares cake*

@Dragonprime, you can have some of Fred's cake.

EDIT: since I got my cake back, Dragonprime can have the cake that Freddie-foo gave me.

*Cough* It's spelt Freddyfoo *Cough*
:smallbiggrin:


Cake! It's delicious and light and fluffy and nice, and it's made from sugar, not spice. :smallbiggrin:

[Nameless]

Now I am cakeless and alone. ._.

[DraPrime]

Yes! I have the original Fred-cake, and an extra!

*proceeds to devour*

[Fredthefighter]

Now I am cakeless and alone. ._.

*Pats Nameless on the back*
*Bakes another extra cake*
*Gives Nameless the other extra cake*
Now everyone can have cake! It's a cake party! :smallbiggrin:

[Nameless]

*Pats Nameless on the back*
*Bakes another extra cake*
*Gives Nameless the other extra cake*
Now everyone can have cake! It's a cake party! :smallbiggrin:

YAY! *burns cake* GOGOGO! :smallbiggrin:

[Kaelaroth]

... And there I was, 'bout to say something interesting.
Oh well. :smallconfused: Hm...

[Fredthefighter]

... And there I was, 'bout to say something interesting.
Oh well. :smallconfused: Hm...

It's okay.
Would you like some cake as well?

[Recaiden]

Good Morning Playground.:smallsmile:

But I think the gunpowder must only appear in vehicles.

[cycoris]

*Cough* It's spelt Freddyfoo *Cough*
:smallbiggrin:

Oops. Sorry. I'm too lazy to fix it though. Will you forgive me?

[Kaelaroth]

It's okay.
Would you like some cake as well?

No. I would not care for your not-actually-existing cake. And, yes. It is OK.

Ah-ha! But here it is!
...
GAH! See, at the time of writing "Ah-ha! But here it is!", I actually thought I had something to say other than what I'm typing out right now.
Which has made this entire post moderately redundant, save for a refusal of unrealistic cake.
Ooh! But there's Recaiden!
Hi!

[Fredthefighter]

Oops. Sorry. I'm too lazy to fix it though. Will you forgive me?

Of course. :smallsmile:



No. I would not care for your not-actually-existing cake. And, yes. It is OK.

Ah-ha! But here it is!
...
GAH! See, at the time of writing "Ah-ha! But here it is!", I actually thought I had something to say other than what I'm typing out right now.
Which has made this entire post moderately redundant, save for a refusal of unrealistic cake.
Ooh! But there's Recaiden!
Hi!

But that means that.... THE CAKE IS A LIE! :smalleek:

Also, hi Recaiden.

[Dragonrider]

Every time I see Fred use that nickname - Freddyfoo - I laugh because I remember how prickly he was about it when I made it up. :smallbiggrin:

[Kaelaroth]

Yes, the cake is a lie, unless you actually did manage to create a cake in a matter of seconds, and send it across the world in the blink of an eye, in a Ffordian-pizza-fax inspired nightmare. Well done for noticing such a fact.

Oh, well, I'll say something new, and moderately less inspiring, presuming that what I was going to say were I able to remember it would have been inspiring. I am sad that the Kuzuis are looking to reboot Buffy, should such a thing be true, and am also happy that the weather outside is nice.

[Nameless]

The cake is not a lie. :smallsmile:

[Fredthefighter]

Every time I see Fred use that nickname - Freddyfoo - I laugh because I remember how prickly he was about it when I made it up. :smallbiggrin:

Yeah, I can't really remember the reason why I was so prickly about it. I don't really care why either. Something is wrong with me. :smallbiggrin:

[DraPrime]

But that means that.... THE CAKE IS A LIE! :smalleek:


Oh how I wish people would stop using this.

[Kaelaroth]

Oh how I wish people would stop using this.

My sentiments echo yours; hence my slightly bitter literary response earlier.

[Fredthefighter]

Oh how I wish people would stop using this.

It was all I could think of. There need to be more cake memes. :smallbiggrin:
I'm glad that the crazy frog died. That dude was annoying.

[Recaiden]

Hello Kaela, Fred, and the rest of you.

What is a Kuizis?

[DraPrime]

What is a Kuizis?

A rare and genetically modified fruit designed by the evil chipmunk conspiracy.

[SDF]

A rare and genetically modified fruit designed by the evil chipmunk conspiracy.

That would be an awesome band name.

[Kaelaroth]

They're televisual producers.

[DraPrime]

That would be an awesome band name.

Yes.

Yes it would be.

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

What isn't a kuizis?

[Nameless]

What isn't a kuizis?

:O Your avatar! It's purtey! :'D

[dish]

... And there I was, 'bout to say something interesting.
Oh well. :smallconfused: Hm...

I tried. It got lost in the cake-fight.

Good night everybody. I'll see you tomorrow.

(And thank you Recaiden.:smallwink:)

[Recaiden]

I tried. It got lost in the cake-fight.

Good night everybody. I'll see you tomorrow.

(And thank you Recaiden.:smallwink:)

You're welcome, and goodnight. Although it might help if people knew what we were talking about.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/RockShade/dishdoll.png

[DraPrime]

:O Your avatar! It's purtey! :'D

Truly, you are very focused.

[cycoris]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/RockShade/dishdoll.png

*snatches AWW-ADOWABLE dish-dolly and hugs to chest*

WHAT?! Stop staring. *cuddles doll*

[DraPrime]

*snatches AWW-ADOWABLE dish-dolly and hugs to chest*

WHAT?! Stop staring. *cuddles doll*

*stares at*

So...silly.

[randman22222]

Hmm... A Randy doll would be interesting... :smallconfused:
*Watches the hint fall to the ground in hope.*

[DraPrime]

Hmm... A Randy doll would be interesting... :smallconfused:
*Watches the hint fall to the ground in hope.*

It would be almost as cool as a Dragonprime doll :smalltongue:

[Nameless]

*snatches AWW-ADOWABLE dish-dolly and hugs to chest*

WHAT?! Stop staring. *cuddles doll*

*takes doll and burns it*

Yay fire!

[Fredthefighter]

It would be almost as cool as a Dragonprime doll :smalltongue:

Which would be almost as cool as Fred doll. :smalltongue:
I'm joking.

What do you mean you don't read white text?

[Recaiden]

*snatches AWW-ADOWABLE dish-dolly and hugs to chest*

WHAT?! Stop staring. *cuddles doll*

Come on now. You have your own.


@Nameless: And that's why you don't:smalltongue:

[Mauve Shirt]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/RockShade/dishdoll.png

Zomg, that is unbelievably cute! :smallbiggrin:
Of course, mine is awesome as well. *points at sig*

[Mr. Mud]

It would be almost as cool as a Dragonprime doll :smalltongue:

Which would be almost as awesome as a Dragonprime & Mrmud Doll! :smalltongue:.

[DraPrime]

Which would be almost as awesome as a Dragonprime & Mrmud Doll! :smalltongue:.

As long as it isn't creepily homoerotic.

[Mr. Mud]

As long as it isn't creepily homoerotic.

Who said creepily :smalltongue:?

[DraPrime]

Who said creepily :smalltongue:?

I'm sure there's a proper response to what you just said. I just don't know it. :smallconfused:

[Recaiden]

As long as it isn't creepily homoerotic.

Could it be done any other way? I think not.:smalltongue:

[DraPrime]

Could it be done any other way? I think not.:smalltongue:

Well, we could be fighting in badass/manly poses. Of course, then we'd be action figures, not dolls.

[Mr. Mud]

Well, we could be fighting in badass/manly poses. Of course, then we'd be action figures, not dolls.

We'd need an awesome avatarist for this though. *scans playground*... Rec... :smallamused:.

[Recaiden]

We'd need an awesome avatarist for this though. *scans playground*... Rec... :smallamused:.

I'll make it later. Like when you drag my dead body out of the PbP sub-forums.

[Mr. Mud]

I'll make it later. Like when you drag my dead body out of the PbP sub-forums.

I've been meaning to make a Town character... :smallwink:. No but seriously I probably should... In the meantime

*puts Rec's leash on and slowly herds him back to friendly banter* C'mere boy! I got you some bacon!

[DraPrime]

I'll make it later. Like when you drag my dead body out of the PbP sub-forums.

I knew I would find a use for that hit man and winch!

[Dr. Bath]

Zomg, that is unbelievably cute! :smallbiggrin:
Of course, mine is awesome as well. *points at sig*

Why are the arms and legs mauve too? I didn't realise you were wearing spandex under the dress uniform. :smalleek:

Aaanyway... I dislike exams. More at ten.

[Quincunx]

@/\: It's past ten. You've slept around the clock.

Bacon? Real bacon?! Where!

The great gap between U.S. and U.K. English lies not in the objects which have different names on either side of the pond (every-day banking is fuu-uu-uun, let me tell you), but the common terms which refer to very different objects! "Bacon" is one of the worst offenders in this regard. They seem to use it like "pork" (U.S.) in that if your pig part does not make ham, it makes bacon. Come to think of it, I should just ask what cut of pork they've tied around the chicken whatchamacallits in the name of fancy cooking, but the truth is I'm afraid to finally know. . .

[Recaiden]

Why are the arms and legs mauve too? I didn't realise you were wearing spandex under the dress uniform. :smalleek:

Aaanyway... I dislike exams. More at ten.

They're called sleeves and pants. And me forgetting to do hers wearing a dress, so it looks more like a jumpsuit. :smallredface:

Like this one:http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/RockShade/TRDdoll.png

[cycoris]

*stares at*

So...silly.

:smallbiggrin:


Come on now. You have your own.

And I'm hugging it too, with my other arm. It's the perfect excuse to not get anything done.

...Besides write Walt Whitman's "Song of Myself" all over my awesome hippie jeans in rainbow sharpies.

[Nameless]

Can I have a doll? :smallbiggrin:

[The Rose Dragon]

Why do I like Secondhand Serenade songs so much? They're cheesy, cheap and cliche, so why do I like them? What's wrong with me?

On a similar note, why do I love Pon and Zi (I'm Zi!)?

[Recaiden]

Can I have a doll? :smallbiggrin:

You can make your own things to burn.

[Nameless]

You can make your own things to burn.

*mummble grumble* :smallannoyed:

[DraPrime]

Why do I like Secondhand Serenade songs so much? They're cheesy, cheap and cliche, so why do I like them? What's wrong with me?

On a similar note, why do I love Pon and Zi (I'm Zi!)?

Cheesy, cheap, and cliche is fun!

That belief is probably why I'm a Manowar fan.

[mercurymaline]

Buh. I am officially bored with the internet. Again. How can /no one/ be on Skype right now?

[The Rose Dragon]

Cheesy, cheap, and cliche is fun!

That belief is probably why I'm a Manowar fan.

Oh dear.

I like Manowar too!

I'm losing all semblance of taste, aren't I?

[Spiryt]

Oh dear.

I like Manowar too!

I'm losing all semblance of taste, aren't I?

Not at all.

In our eyes you're immortal.

* Dun du dun *


Cheesy, cheap, and cliche is fun!

That belief is probably why I'm a Manowar fan.

No way Manowar's cheap.

They're costumes, on the other hand...
:smallbiggrin:

[unstattedCommoner]

They're costumes,


Are they? Who wears them? :smalltongue:

[Nameless]

Here our soldiers stand from all around the world
Waiting in a line to hear the battle cry
All are gathered here, victory is near
The sound will fill the hall, bringing power to us all
We alone are fighting for metal that is true
We own the right to live the fight, we're here for all of you
Now swear the blood upon your steel will never dry
Stand and fight together beneath the battle sky
Brothers everywhere, raise your hands into the air
We're warriors, warriors of the world
Like thunder from the sky, sworn to fight and die
We're warriors, warriors of the world
Many stand against us, but they will never win
We said we would return and here we are again
To bring them all destruction, suffering and pain
We are the hammer of the gods, we are thunder, wind and rain.
There they wait in fear with swords in feeble hands
With dreams to be a king, first one should be a man
I call about and charge them all with a life that is a lie
And in their final hour they shall confess before they die
If I should fall in battle, my brothers who fight by my side
Gather my horse and weapons, tell my family how I died
Until then I will be strong, I will fight for all that is real
All who stand in my way will die by steel
Brothers everywhere, raise your hands into the air
We're warriors, warriors of the world

:smalltongue:

[DraPrime]

Oh dear, it seems I've taken us on a Manowar tangent. Ah well.

Nameless, you should be quoting Hail and Kill, not Warriors of the World. Even the part that describes how wet your sword should be.

[The Rose Dragon]

Oooooh no. He should be quoting Pleasure Slave.

After all, that is what we all are, right? Pleasure slaves of Manowar?

[DraPrime]

Not at all.

In our eyes you're immortal.

* Dun du dun *

They call themselves immortals, they're the truest of the true...

:smallbiggrin:

[Nameless]

Oh dear, it seems I've taken us on a Manowar tangent. Ah well.

Nameless, you should be quoting Hail and Kill, not Warriors of the World. Even the part that describes how wet your sword should be.

:smallannoyed:

[DraPrime]

:smallannoyed:

No? :smalltongue:

[Spiryt]

Hold your hammers high, guys :smalltongue:


Oooooh no. He should be quoting Pleasure Slave.

After all, that is what we all are, right? Pleasure slaves of Manowar?

Now, that sounded creepy. :smalleek::smallbiggrin:

[Rutskarn]

Why has it taken this long for a video game company to make a non-Fire Warrior shooter based on 40K?

And why isn't it a first person shooter?

That's not completely generic?

Where you play as an Ork?

[DraPrime]

Now, that sounded creepy. :smalleek::smallbiggrin:

If it comes to that, I call dibs on the singer.

[Nameless]

No? :smalltongue:

No. :smalltongue:

[Dragonrider]

Can someone explain to me why, on May 30th, the weather has to go homicidal and make it 97 freaking degrees?

Yesterday was worse at 101.

It's gonna be a looooooooong summer. Last year it barely got above 100, but in '06 we had two entire weeks of 110 degrees fahrenheit (late July, early August).

....

Yay.

[DraPrime]

No. :smalltongue:

Well then I'll do it!

Brothers I am calling from the valley of the kings
With nothing to atone
A dark march lies ahead together we will ride
Like thunder from the sky
May your sword stay wet like a-

*is vigorously beaten by the lyrics police*

...like a lake.

[averagejoe]

Can someone explain to me why, on May 30th, the weather has to go homicidal and make it 97 freaking degrees?

Yesterday was worse at 101.

It's gonna be a looooooooong summer. Last year it barely got above 100, but in '06 we had two entire weeks of 110 degrees fahrenheit (late July, early August).

....

Yay.

That sounds a lot like around here. I think last summer it hit 120 a few times.

I hate the heat so much.

[Mr. Mud]

Well then I'll do it!

Brothers I am calling from the valley of the kings
With nothing to atone
A dark march lies ahead together we will ride
Like thunder from the sky
May your sword stay wet like a-

*is vigorously beaten by the lyrics police*

...like a lake.

:smallamused:. Hold your hammers high! Oh Man-o-war I love you.

Oh and Rec, I totally love you too for the doll! :smallbiggrin:.

[Recaiden]

Can someone explain to me why, on May 30th, the weather has to go homicidal and make it 97 freaking degrees?
Yesterday was worse at 101.
It's gonna be a looooooooong summer. Last year it barely got above 100, but in '06 we had two entire weeks of 110 degrees fahrenheit (late July, early August).
....
Yay.

It's getting ready for June, which contains the first summer of the year. It will probably get that hot here soon. :smallfrown:
And FFRP still scares me.

[Nameless]

Well then I'll do it!

Brothers I am calling from the valley of the kings
With nothing to atone
A dark march lies ahead together we will ride
Like thunder from the sky
May your sword stay wet like a-

*is vigorously beaten by the lyrics police*

...like a lake.

Vally of the Kings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2kRGPVt9po) you say... :smallamused:

[DraPrime]

:smallamused:. Hold your hammers high! Oh Man-o-war I love you.

He held up his hammer HIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!


Vally of the Kings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2kRGPVt9po) you say... :smallamused:

Hmmmmm, was Saxon making a reference?

[The Rose Dragon]

He held up his hammer HIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Something else was also high, if you catch my drift. :smallwink:

Also, how come you're still alive at 110 degrees? You should have died somewhere around 70.

[Nameless]

He held up his hammer HIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!



Hmmmmm, was Saxon making a reference?

No, but they were damn awesome live. :smallamused:

[Haruki-kun]

And FFRP still scares me.

It's one heck of a scary place.

[Mr. Mud]

Something else was also high, if you catch my drift. :smallwink:

Also, how come you're still alive at 110 degrees? You should have died somewhere around 70.

Fahrenheit mate, Fahrenheit :smallbiggrin:.

[Dragonrider]

Fahrenheit mate, Fahrenheit :smallbiggrin:.

I'm sure he knew that. :smalltongue:

[The Rose Dragon]

Fahrenheit mate, Fahrenheit :smallbiggrin:.

Ah. Well excuse me for not realizing you're using a completely non-intuitive and non-scientific system for your temperature measuring needs.

[Haruki-kun]

Fahrenheit mate, Fahrenheit :smallbiggrin:.

Ew... Fahrenheit! :smalleek:

So after a while of nothing to do, I decided to finish Super Mario Galaxy today. well, that's not quite correct, I had finished it, it's just that I decided to get everything.

My reward for it?

You get to play as Luigi. WOOOOOOO! :smallannoyed:

LUIGI! What's the point in that??? I already finished the game!

[Nameless]

Ah. Well excuse me for not realizing you're using a completely non-intuitive and non-scientific system for your temperature measuring needs.

*hi5* :smalltongue:


LUIGI! What's the point in that??? I already finished the game!

Dude... This is LUIGI we're talking about! You have to complete the game with him! You wouldn't of have really completed the game if you don't do it all over again with LUIGI! :smalleek:

[Mr. Mud]

I'm sure he knew that. :smalltongue:

Meh, I mean 70F is fatal if the humidity is like super high...

Super high, as in you're walking through water. But then again that would be like a nice bath... and you'd drown, or implode from the pressure...

</physics>

EDIT: And it's perfectly scientific. It doesn't make sense!

[Dragonrider]

Meh, I mean 70F is fatal if the humidity is like super high...

Super high, as in you're walking through water. But then again that would be like a nice bath... and you'd drown, or implode from the pressure...

</physics>

EDIT: And it's perfectly scientific. It doesn't make sense!

...cool. :smalltongue:

[Mr. Mud]

...cool. :smalltongue:

:smallbiggrin:. DeeRee, you know how you made my avatar awesomely and all, and I love it to death, and well, you know how a few avatar weeks are coming up and... :biggrin:!

[averagejoe]

Ah. Well excuse me for not realizing you're using a completely non-intuitive and non-scientific system for your temperature measuring needs.

:smallconfused: I get the non-intuitive, but how is it non-scientific? And, really, the non-intuitiveness only comes from the definition of the temperature scale, not the use of the scale itself.

I mean, even as an American I don't usually justify the measurement systems we use over here; in fact, temperature is the only American measuring system I use regularly. That, however, is because unlike, say, miles or cups, one never needs to convert between units (i.e. converting feet to miles or cups to gallons) which is where all the messiness comes in.

[Dragonrider]

:smallbiggrin:. DeeRee, you know how you made my avatar awesomely and all, and I love it to death, and well, you know how a few avatar weeks are coming up and... :biggrin:!

Yupyupsure :smallbiggrin:

[The Rose Dragon]

It's used in science only if you make adjustments to the most commonly used formulas.

Real men use Kelvin.

For example, remember how it's around 290 degrees Kelvin here? Kelvin doesn't use degrees!

[averagejoe]

It's used in science only if you make adjustments to the most commonly used formulas.

Yes, but that doesn't make it nonscientific. Measurement systems are ultimately arbitrary; it's the level of convenience that decides which measurement system to use, not the level of "scientificness."


Real men use Kelvin.

I find it morally reprehensible to objectify any person. You shouldn't "use" Kelvin or anyone else. :smalltongue:

[Recaiden]

Lucky you. I wish that it was that cool around here.

It's unscientific in that it is not used for scientific purposes. Also, why did he use a brine as a zero reference point?

[The Rose Dragon]

He should have thought of that before giving his name to a unit of measurement.
Thankee for not ruining the joke.
Though I'm not sure if Kelvin is actually a unit, what with all the weird conventions surrounding references to it.

[Mr. Mud]

DEEREE: Okay, sweet. I'll PM you about the specs later :smalltongue:.

Have you been told "You're awesome" today?

You are. :smallamused:.


Willing to be PMed or IMed for math/physics advice. Remember, there are no stupid questions. In fact, I'd be pretty impressed if you managed to make mistakes stupider than some of the ones I've made.


Oh, I'm gonna have fun with this... :smallamused:.

[Recaiden]

Okay, sweet. I'll PM you about the specs later :smalltongue:.

Have you been told you're awesome today?

You are. :smallamused:.

She doesn't need to be told. It's always true.

[The Rose Dragon]

So, stop me if you've heard of this, but there is a network of resistances with resistance R on a mesh of wires with no resistance. The mesh is formed of infinite vertical and horizontal lines and between every crossing point there is a single resistance. What is the equivalent resistance between the two diagonally opposed points of a 2-by-1 mesh portion?

[averagejoe]

So, stop me if you've heard of this, but there is a network of resistances with resistance R on a mesh of wires with no resistance. The mesh is formed of infinite vertical and horizontal lines and between every crossing point there is a single resistance. What is the equivalent resistance between the two diagonally opposed points of a 2-by-1 mesh portion?

I've heard this one. (http://xkcd.com/356/)

[The Rose Dragon]

Oh, so that's where I remember it from.

Apparently, my physics instructor doesn't read xkcd.

EDIT: So is there a solution?

[Mr. Mud]

Musings ahead:

Okay so imagine we have a pair of scissors, and the blades are millions of light years long, thus the ends of each are even farther when spread... And the two handles are about 100 yards apart. If we were to shut the scissors (in a vacuum of course, with no air resistance and the metal would not bend.) wouldn't the point of intersection of the blades move faster than the speed of light :smallconfused:?

That wasn't articulated very well, so please post questions.

[averagejoe]

Musings ahead:

Okay so imagine we have a pair of scissors, and the blades are millions of light years long, thus the ends of each are even farther when spread... And the two handles are about 100 yards apart. If we were to shut the scissors (in a vacuum of course, with no air resistance and the metal would not bend.) wouldn't the point of intersection of the blades move faster than the speed of light :smallconfused:?

That wasn't articulated very well, so please post questions.

No. For one, it would depend on how quickly you shut it. For two, it is the points furthest from the point of rotation that have the greater instantaneous velocity (assuming that I understand you and the point of intersection is where the blades rotate.) The outside points have further to travel, after all. Thirdly, nothing can move faster than the speed of light according to modern wisdom, so any scenario which portrays this is impossible. :smalltongue:

[Anuan]

I know the Kelvin is used as a measurement of temperature in Astronomy. Yay tenth-grade Astronomy class.

Also, Deadliest Warrior is the coolest show currently on American TV and therefore my computer via download :smallbiggrin:

[The Rose Dragon]

Thirdly, nothing can move faster than the speed of light according to modern wisdom, so any scenario which portrays this is impossible. :smalltongue:

Well, theoretically, something with precisely no mass that could somehow be affected by the outside world could gain infinite acceleration with the slightest amount of force applied to it, thus move faster than light.

But since that thing doesn't exist in any realm that we can apply force to, it is of no use discussing using any kind of physics we can think of.

[Mr. Mud]

No. For one, it would depend on how quickly you shut it. For two, it is the points furthest from the point of rotation that have the greater instantaneous velocity (assuming that I understand you and the point of intersection is where the blades rotate.) The outside points have further to travel, after all. Thirdly, nothing can move faster than the speed of light according to modern wisdom, so any scenario which portrays this is impossible. :smalltongue:

I'm pressed for time, but I'll hit you with another scenario, and respond to that later tonight, if that is suitable :smalltongue:. But what I mean is, in the time it takes for the gap to close between the handles, would equal the time it takes to close those many billion light years.

Furthermore, let's say... Me and you are brothers, and we see each other every morning. You know that I arbitrarily wear one red, and one green sock (on each foot). I pull up my pant leg, and show you I am wearing a green sock on my left foot. You then know, instantaneously, that I am wearing a red sock on my right foot. See, information can move faster than the speed of light, but it is not tangible, and no relatively useful information can be transmitted this way.

And I'm done for the night all, I'll probably be in a few hours though, as insomnia and I are in a dire war. Cheers :smallbiggrin:.

[Recaiden]

@TRD: Isn't it 1?

About the scissors: But a point is not an object, wave, or particle. Can't it move at any speed it wants to? Oh, but the ends of the scissors, say, would then move faster then light if it could be shut quickly. Except that what would actually happen is that the blades get more and more massive and harder and harder to close, so you couldn't close it fast enough to get it to go faster than light.

@^: Actually, it moves as fast as it takes the electric currents in your brain to analyze the situation and determine via elimination the color of the other sock. If the brain has been replaced with some sort of instantaneously thinking thing, then it does.

[The Rose Dragon]

@TRD: Isn't it 1?

Can you show me the solution? While I don't doubt you, I'm too lazy to figure it out myself and any of the engineering students I asked the question were unable to either.

[Recaiden]

Can you show me the solution? While I don't doubt you, I'm too lazy to figure it out myself and any of the engineering students I asked the question were unable to either.

3 ohms going along each side, 3 across the middle piece. 1/3*3=1. 1/1=1. I think I'm probably overlooking something important though.

I have an alternate solution that says 1/4, so maybe not.

[averagejoe]

I'm pressed for time, but I'll hit you with another scenario, and respond to that later tonight, if that is suitable :smalltongue:. But what I mean is, in the time it takes for the gap to close between the handles, would equal the time it takes to close those many billion light years.

Yes.


Furthermore, let's say... Me and you are brothers, and we see each other every morning. You know that I arbitrarily wear one red, and one green sock (on each foot). I pull up my pant leg, and show you I am wearing a green sock on my left foot. You then know, instantaneously, that I am wearing a red sock on my right foot. See, information can move faster than the speed of light, but it is not tangible, and no relatively useful information can be transmitted this way.

No. I don't know that you are wearing a red sock on your right foot, though experience informs me that this is a likelihood. There's nothing to stop you from putting on a different color just to have a go at me, for example, or maybe all your red socks were ruined. The only way to know that you are wearing a red sock on your right foot is to look at your right foot.


3 ohms going along each side, 3 across the middle piece. 1/3*3=1. 1/1=1. I think I'm probably overlooking something important though.

I have an alternate solution that says 1/4, so maybe not.

No, you're doing a different problem. Electricity doesn't just take the straightest path; to solve equivalent resistance you need to take every branch into account.

[Rutskarn]

@TRD: Isn't it 1?
@^: Actually, it moves as fast as it takes the electric currents in your brain to analyze the situation and determine via elimination the color of the other sock.

Right. Thought is slower than light, strange it might be to contemplate.

Even if it were not, it takes time for the light reflecting off of the socks to reach you.

[averagejoe]

Right. Thought is slower than light, strange it might be to contemplate.

Even if it were not, it takes time for the light reflecting off of the socks to reach you.

Right, but, going by his point, one could theoretically make up the difference. Maybe he has super-long legs so his feet are billions of light years apart. The light reflecting off his socks and the speed of thought don't make up for the fact that you know about something billions of years before that information should be able to transmit. The flaw is in the idea of "knowing" rather than the method of getting information.

Processing speed is irrelevant anyways in problems like these. As far as relativity is concerned, you "get" the message as soon as the light hits your eyes, which means you are receiving information faster than light if the unseen foot is slightly farther away from you than the "seen" foot.

[Rutskarn]

Processing speed is irrelevant anyways in problems like these. As far as relativity is concerned, you "get" the message as soon as the light hits your eyes, which means you are receiving information faster than light if the unseen foot is slightly farther away from you than the "seen" foot.

Well, yeah, that's a condition of the question I'd forgotten to consider.

Still, point stands--the process of thought, being electrical, is slower than light.

[The Rose Dragon]

I'm not sure about this one, but didn't someone once "prove arithmetics" using only the assumptions of 1 ≡ 1, 0 ≡ 0 and 1 ≢ 0?

Or was it just 1 + 1 = 2 using a larger amount of logic statements?

Either way, mathematicians are weird.

[averagejoe]

Well, yeah, that's a condition of the question I'd forgotten to consider.

Still, point stands--the process of thought, being electrical, is slower than light.

Yes, that's true. It's just that, if such an answer was appropriate to such questions, one could solve any theoretical faster than light communications issue by just making the processing of the message slow enough-which is silly. If I have an instantaneous communication device, if I make it so that the computer that receives it calculates the distance between it and the sending computer, then takes a time to process the message equal to that distance divided by the speed of light, it doesn't make the message any less instantaneous, with all the causality violations that potentially come with it.


I'm not sure about this one, but didn't someone once "prove arithmetics" using only the assumptions of 1 ≡ 1, 0 ≡ 0 and 1 ≢ 0?

Or was it just 1 + 1 = 2 using a larger amount of logic statements?

Either way, mathematicians are weird.

Probably. And, yeah, mathematicians are pretty weird. Unfortunately I seem to be very good at maths. Maybe I should just quit resisting and become one myself. :smallsigh:

[Recaiden]

You are correct. But again, information is not an object, nor is it physical, so it is not bound by our relativity and physics.

[Rutskarn]

Right. The concept of information is an abstraction, really.

[averagejoe]

You are correct. But again, information is not an object, nor is it physical, so it is not bound by our relativity and physics.

Yes, but the transmission of information is necessarily physical. Until someone develops telepathy that consistently works.

[Recaiden]

Yes, but the transmission of information is necessarily physical. Until someone develops telepathy that consistently works.

The information is not actually being transmitted. It is being created within your mind based on expectations, logic, and input from your senses.

[Rutskarn]

Until someone develops telepathy that consistently works.

I'd argue that such a thing, while technically possible, would by necessity be physical in nature.

[averagejoe]

The information is not actually being transmitted. It is being created within your mind based on expectations, logic, and input from your senses.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. One can philosophically argue about the nature of information, but bottom line is you can do things to make other people know things, and these things are necessarily physical.


I'd argue that such a thing, while technically possible, would by necessity be physical in nature.

Perhaps. It's hard to say when it doesn't exist, and especially when it doesn't exist in any sort of theoretical framework.

[Recaiden]

You can make people think things faster than light, but not know them.

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

Let's have alook at that sock-information scenario. If the sock is put up at time A, then the eye will perceive it at a certain time after, once the light reflecting off the sock has reached the eye. From then, the eye sends small electric pulses through the nerves to the brain, moving, of course, slower than light. After that, electric pulses much travel between different parts of the brain, until eventually the brain comes to a conclusion that the other foot has the other sock colour.

Yay.

[Rutskarn]

Perhaps. It's hard to say when it doesn't exist, and especially when it doesn't exist in any sort of theoretical framework.

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that all of the components, to the extent of our knowledge, are physical in nature.

[Recaiden]

Let's have alook at that sock-information scenario. If the sock is put up at time A, then the eye will perceive it at a certain time after, once the light reflecting off the sock has reached the eye. From then, the eye sends small electric pulses through the nerves to the brain, moving, of course, slower than light. After that, electric pulses much travel between different parts of the brain, until eventually the brain comes to a conclusion that the other foot has the other sock colour.

Yay.

My point is that this conclusion about the other sock is not based on any direct interaction, only past experience and related information.

[Rutskarn]

But if a sock is revealed in the woods, and nobody's around to see it, does it die like a cat in a box?

EDIT: Aaand I'm an ogre now. Well. This was a nice 2000th post, now, wasn't it?

[Phase]

But if a sock is revealed in the woods, and nobody's around to see it, does it die like a cat in a box?

EDIT: Aaand I'm an ogre now. Well. This was a nice 2000th post, now, wasn't it?

You forgot to add in one hand clapping.
And congratulations, chum.
Phase is no longer sick! Hooray! Three days asleep fixed my right up!:smallsmile:

[Ash08]

good for you Phase! I.... unfortunatly... am still sick, this makes day 13... at least I get to miss school... but darn... this is horrible...

[Rutskarn]

good for you Phase! I.... unfortunatly... am still sick, this makes day 13... at least I get to miss school... but darn... this is horrible...

Jampers--any idea what you have? Usually, if I have something for that long, it's a fever of some kind.

Also: wish me luck, guys--just sent off a query to The Escapist, which is a sort of proto-submission for an article. It's a longshot, but it'd be nice if they accepted it.

[Ash08]

First came fever.... than came pink eye... then came the horrible cough... hopefully the "getting better" part will come soon...(I don't quite get how I've gotten so many weird unrelated things... but the doctors I've visited say that's it's nothing to worry about so...)

But I have been getting steadly better for the last two days. I estimate that I'll most likly be going back to school on monday, which as weird as it sounds(I really, really, hate the school where I am and can't wait for next year to go to where I'm transfering) I'm looking forward to.

Oh yes, and best of luck Rutskarn!

[Phase]

Jampers--any idea what you have? Usually, if I have something for that long, it's a fever of some kind.

Also: wish me luck, guys--just sent off a query to The Escapist, which is a sort of proto-submission for an article. It's a longshot, but it'd be nice if they accepted it.

Luck, but if you get accepted, don't forget all your fans back home once the influx from Escapist comes along, and by fans I mean your number one fan who is me.

And get better soon, Ash.

[Haruki-kun]

Also: wish me luck, guys--just sent off a query to The Escapist, which is a sort of proto-submission for an article. It's a longshot, but it'd be nice if they accepted it.

Good luck with it!

Go teach Yahtzee who's the boss. :smallbiggrin:

[Coidzor]

I'd argue that such a thing, while technically possible, would by necessity be physical in nature.

That'd take all the fun out of life by the added necessity of curing the human animal of all the sexual foibles that much things interesting.

I just wanted you to know, Good Luck, we're all counting on you.

[Nameless]

Gooooood morni--- *looks at clock* noon everyone! :smalltongue:

[Coidzor]

Gooooood morni--- *looks at clock* noon everyone! :smalltongue:

Have a good lunch? You just reminded me that I need to eat breakfast after staying up all night myself...

Ah the wonders of travel + insomnia...

[Nameless]

Have a good lunch? You just reminded me that I need to eat breakfast after staying up all night myself...

Ah the wonders of travel + insomnia...

I'm about to have a nice lunch. :smallamused:

[Coidzor]

I'm about to have a nice lunch. :smallamused:

What're you having? I'm finishing off a peanut butter sandwich and some kind of liquid yogurt drink that my mother purchased for her dietary concerns but proceeded to never actually use, instead favoring obscene consumption of red meat and sweets, seeming to take having had all of her sons reach adulthood as some kind of justification for such willful abuse and neglect of her body during the last window she has to turn things around so she can actually enjoy living to 70.

Where was I? Oh yeah, oddly enough, finally found some actual 100% juice stuff that's orange+pineapple... you see the flavor combination other places but this is the first time I've seen the juices sold in a mixture with one another.

I'm presuming you're doing something nearer to home since you have time to post...

...ow... is it supposed to hurt your face to have anything come in contact with it during the sandpaper phase? I don't remember it being this painful the last time I shaved it all off....:smallconfused:

[Nameless]

Pasta and ice cream. OOOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.

Don't listen to her, you just eat whatever you want. :smalltongue:

[Mr. Mud]

Better Sock scenario:

Let's say two electron are orbiting in cohesion, many millions of light years apart. One spinning upwards, the other spinning downward. By some irrelevant circumstance, we know that: They are spinning in complete opposite directions. They will never change direction. And no outside force will interfere with the electrons. By seeing electron A spinning upward, doesn't that mean electron B is spinning downward, before the millions of years (by the seemingly malleable speed of light) it would take to travel however far out and see Electron B? Thus the transmission of that information moves faster than the speed of light. But again, it is useless information and therefore, ultimately irrelevant.

[Fredthefighter]

Better Sock scenario:

Let's say two electron are orbiting in cohesion, many millions of light years apart. One spinning upwards, the other spinning downward. By some irrelevant circumstance, we know that: They are spinning in complete opposite directions. They will never change direction. And no outside force will interfere with the electrons. By seeing electron A spinning upward, doesn't that mean electron B is spinning downward, before the millions of years (by the seemingly malleable speed of light) it would take to travel however far out and see Electron B? Thus the transmission of that information moves faster than the speed of light. But again, it is useless information and therefore, ultimately irrelevant.

Random comment. Cool. :smallamused:

[Dihan]

Pasta and ice cream. OOOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.

Don't listen to her, you just eat whatever you want. :smalltongue:

Sounds... Nutritious. :smallconfused:

*Scoffs Maltesers*

[Phase]

That'd take all the fun out of life by the added necessity of curing the human animal of all the sexual foibles that much things interesting.

I just wanted you to know, Good Luck, we're all counting on you.

Surely you can't be serious.

[Nameless]

Sounds... Nutritious. :smallconfused:

*Scoffs Maltesers*

Can I have one? :smallsmile:

[Quincunx]

The scissors scenario is interesting, but something (the spirit of Kepler, perhaps) keeps interjecting my train of thought with mutterings about speed and more importantly the "over TIME" part of the definition thereof, and other things (various organs of mine) are interjecting with discomfort and pain. In short, while I visualize the scissor blades going convex/parallel towards one another as they close, I can't articulate why.

[Mr. Mud]

Random comment. Cool. :smallamused:

Nah, a biggest scientific debacle a page or so back. Check it out Fred! :smalltongue:.

[Fredthefighter]

Nah, a biggest scientific debacle a page or so back. Check it out Fred! :smalltongue:.

Ah science!
(Actually, I like science, but I've got an exam on the 10th June, so I don't really want to stretch my brain more than necessary)

I might have to check it out.

[Dihan]

Can I have one? :smallsmile:

:smallsigh:

Fiiiiine. *Throws a Malteser at you* :smalltongue:

[Nameless]

:smallsigh:

Fiiiiine. *Throws a Malteser at you* :smalltongue:

Hey, I'm not an animal at a zoo... :smallannoyed:
*Glomps Malteser*

[Phase]

Hey, Fred. Regarding your location, I've managed to convince the people on my TF2 primary server that I hail from a place called Crazytown, population me. The laws are strictly abided by the only citizen (me) and the only member of the imperial senate (me) who established the laws in the first place. We have a trade embargo with Funkytown and I'm sure the Funkytownspeople would not hesitate to aid us in our cause to remove those two extra exclamation marks from your location.

Thank you,

Imperial Senator Phase

[randman22222]

My motivation and level of activity have leaked out of the two orifices on the side of my head. If anyone sees them, would they be so kind as to scoop them into some bucket, and return them to me?

I really hate these times when my level of activity drop. :smallsigh: :smallfrown:
I need to be doing something constructive, or productive, but if I try to write, I have writer's block before even opening that .rtf file. If I try writing music, the notes lose originality before I've opened my music program.

I don't like being this useless. :smallsigh:

[Dr. Bath]

Better Sock scenario:

Let's say two electron are orbiting in cohesion, many millions of light years apart. One spinning upwards, the other spinning downward. By some irrelevant circumstance, we know that: They are spinning in complete opposite directions. They will never change direction. And no outside force will interfere with the electrons. By seeing electron A spinning upward, doesn't that mean electron B is spinning downward, before the millions of years (by the seemingly malleable speed of light) it would take to travel however far out and see Electron B? Thus the transmission of that information moves faster than the speed of light. But again, it is useless information and therefore, ultimately irrelevant.

Well no... the information isn't travelling far at all. Think about it, you're not actually gaining any information from the electron that you aren't observing, you're just extrapolating from the information you have gleaned from the nearby electron (at well below the speed of light).

Also there is no certainty in this situation that the second electron will act in the way you predict.

If the act of observing the electrons spinning actually effected the spin of the other electron (which you specifically ruled out), ie that knowing that electron a spins clockwise makes electron b spin anti-clockwise, then you're in a whole different quantum mechanical ball-field. But then again I don't understand that topic enough to talk about it much (also I don't think particles paired in such away can exist very far apart... I just don't know)

[Dragonrider]

Randman, I've been feeling kind of the same way recently. For me anyway I know it's to do with the fact that I have ONE WEEK LEFT of school and, in my head, it's already over. Forever. :smallbiggrin:

It's also freaking hot here, which makes me want nothing more than to curl up in front of a fan with a good book.

[Fredthefighter]

I actually want to start revising now, but the forums keep dragging me back in. Why won't you let me do what I need to do instead of taking advantage of my weak will? :smallbiggrin:

[TwoBitWriter]

Randman, I've been feeling kind of the same way recently. For me anyway I know it's to do with the fact that I have ONE WEEK LEFT of school and, in my head, it's already over. Forever. :smallbiggrin:


No it's not. You got University to go to! :smalltongue:

Although, I tell you, it's pretty amazing to walk out of that final final and ride your bike home in total jubilation. It's even better then graduation day itself.

Graduation ceremonies are for families, not the student. True vindication comes from turning in that last test.

[Recaiden]

What is revising?

And I still have 3 days and 1 year to go. Still exciting for me though.

[Dihan]

Revising is the process of going over all your work again in the attempt to remember and learn everything for an exam.

My last exam is in three weeks time and then I'll be done until I start University in September.

[randman22222]

Randman, I've been feeling kind of the same way recently. For me anyway I know it's to do with the fact that I have ONE WEEK LEFT of school and, in my head, it's already over. Forever. :smallbiggrin:

It's also freaking hot here, which makes me want nothing more than to curl up in front of a fan with a good book.

Done with exams but haven't graduated? Yeah. Need that mental readjustment to occur first. And look at me, putting that into passive voice, as if it just happens. Nup. I gotta do it myself. How... How... :smallconfused:

Although, I realised that part of what I mentioned earlier was because I haven't been listening to much music today. I swear it's a stimulant for me.

Rush is helping me now. :smallsmile:

EDIT: I just noticed your comment on the weather. I'll have you know that yesterday, it hit what was effectively 100% humidity, without rain, AND 50 FLIPPING DEGREES CELSIUS. So much water in the air it just fogged over slightly. At 50 degrees. (122 F). I usually like hot and humid. Yesterday, I most certainly did not. :smallyuk:

[bluewind95]

50 degrees..? Wow. Where do you live? :smalleek:

I've been feeling pretty unmotivated too. Although I finally got the batteries I will be using for a personal project.

... Have I ever mentioned how horribly hard it is to find and buy rechargeable batteries? You know, the kind that's not designed to work with only one kind of device? I ended up with lead acid batteries. Only problem is they're so heavy. Oh well. They will work.

[randman22222]

50 degrees..? Wow. Where do you live? :smalleek:

I've been feeling pretty unmotivated too. Although I finally got the batteries I will be using for a personal project.

... Have I ever mentioned how horribly hard it is to find and buy rechargeable batteries? You know, the kind that's not designed to work with only one kind of device? I ended up with lead acid batteries. Only problem is they're so heavy. Oh well. They will work.

UAE. And what did you get batteries for? :smallconfused:
Just curious, because last year, I really wanted to make a coilgun. Never got around to it, and now I'm not sure why I wanted to make one. :smalltongue:

[Rutskarn]

I've stopped pretending to know how the Get to Know a Playgrounder thing works. Last I knew, I was scheduled for November.

I just answered my first round of questions.

...weird stuff.

[Ash08]

I would like to offically declare... that i, Ash am 90% better...*clapping starts now*

[Phase]

Pilot light went out. Gas filling apartment...

Going... Dark...

Phew, that was close. I'd like to thank my handy dandy firestick. I love you, fire.

[randman22222]

Pilot light went out. Gas filling apartment...

Going... Dark...

Phew, that was close. I'd like to thank my handy dandy firestick. I love you, fire.

Electric stoves. Gotta love them. :smallsmile:

[Rutskarn]

Pilot light went out. Gas filling apartment...

Going... Dark...

Phew, that was close. I'd like to thank my handy dandy firestick. I love you, fire.

Yay! You can burn all the gas away!

Just think--pretty soon, your apartment will be entirely devoid of any kind of gas whatsoever.

...

[Dragonrider]

Electric stoves. Gotta love them. :smallsmile:

I have to say I prefer gas.

Also: WOW. That is HOT. You're warmer than we are by about 20 degrees Fahrenheit, then. But there's also very little humidity here, which is better. Except sometimes you step outside and feel the moisture being sucked right out of you. Yech.

At least it's a desert climate - it gets cold at night even when it's 118 out. :smalltongue:

[Phase]

Yay! You can burn all the gas away!

Just think--pretty soon, your apartment will be entirely devoid of any kind of gas whatsoever.

...

Fire: It cleans everything! Even the air! It even cleans...

IN SPACE!!!!

[bluewind95]

UAE. And what did you get batteries for? :smallconfused:
Just curious, because last year, I really wanted to make a coilgun. Never got around to it, and now I'm not sure why I wanted to make one. :smalltongue:

Well, see, I have this thing for taking stuff apart... so I got an extra NES (mine works perfectly even after nearly 20 years of being in my possession). I figured, hey, why not do things to it? I'm taking a trip in a few weeks, so I figured, hey, why not take my NES? Except it's hard to use during the trip and one can only use it at the destination. So the answer... portable NES!

So I have a screen (not great, but it works and I got it very cheap for an LCD TV thingy). I have the NES. I have stuff to make the case with, plenty of cables, a sacrificial controller, voltage regulators, etc. I just needed the battery. I wanted a li-ion battery, but those aren't the easiest thing to use (and especially... GET). See, you have to get universal ones, or they explode. And finding universal li-ion batteries... is not easy. So while we were looking for that, my dad sees these lead acid ones, 12V (so that would spare us the use of one regulator). And he goes, hey, why not use those? I told him that 2 amperes-hour wasn't good enough, given how the device will use 1.1 (so the battery would last less than two hours). So my dad comes up with the idea that we can just use two and connect them to each other in parallel and that would give us the 12V but with twice the capacity. So then, 3.6 hours of power. It's a heavy setup, but I can't currently afford any better than that. And since the batteries were at clearance... 2 lead acid batteries it is. I'll just add some sort of strap or something to the portable so that it will be easier to carry around.

... And it will double as a self-defense weapon, it's gonna be that heavy. :smalltongue:

[averagejoe]

Better Sock scenario:

Let's say two electron are orbiting in cohesion, many millions of light years apart. One spinning upwards, the other spinning downward. By some irrelevant circumstance, we know that: They are spinning in complete opposite directions. They will never change direction. And no outside force will interfere with the electrons. By seeing electron A spinning upward, doesn't that mean electron B is spinning downward, before the millions of years (by the seemingly malleable speed of light) it would take to travel however far out and see Electron B? Thus the transmission of that information moves faster than the speed of light. But again, it is useless information and therefore, ultimately irrelevant.

Ah, I thought you might have been hovering around this. Now, I'll admit, quantum mechanics is one of my weak points, so I'm not entirely confident about this. However, I still know much more than most people.

I and a few friends actually had a conversation with a graduate student about this. The setup wasn't as you described, but it was essentially the same situation. (There are some unnecessities and inaccuracies in yours.) He basically told us that this is a question that still bothers physicists. The fact that you can't actually use this information to do anything is, for some, sufficient, but others find it unsatisfying and seek other answers. It isn't something I know a lot about, but for some people it is still an important question which has not yet been resolved.


The scissors scenario is interesting, but something (the spirit of Kepler, perhaps) keeps interjecting my train of thought with mutterings about speed and more importantly the "over TIME" part of the definition thereof, and other things (various organs of mine) are interjecting with discomfort and pain. In short, while I visualize the scissor blades going convex/parallel towards one another as they close, I can't articulate why.

Actually, you've hit on something that I forgot to take into consideration yesterday night, mostly because I was thinking in terms of nonrelativistic rotators and not giving the problem its due thought. One actually can't have a blade billions of light years long that doesn't bend; the very closest you can get is that it will warp at the speed of light as you try and rotate it, the motion traveling down the length of the blade gradually instead of all at once. Your visualization might very well be accurate. Interesting.

It is, however, still the case that the time between the beginning of motion of the tips of the scissors and the end of it would still be the same as the time it takes to close them; however, they would happen at different times.

Aside: This has nothing to do with the conversation, but here (http://www.spacetimetravel.org/tuebingen/tuebingen.html) you can see a pretty neat video showing what one would see if traveling at the speed of light (except you're traveling at normal speeds so you can actually see it, so think of it as some weird phenomenon that shifts light as traveling at near lightspeeds would.)


Graduation ceremonies are for families, not the student. True vindication comes from turning in that last test.

So true. I just graduated from a university and I didn't even bother going to the ceremony. (I went to the reception, though. It seemed more my style.)

[randman22222]

Portable NES... Can't say I've heard of many crazier ideas. :smalltongue:
Wait, that's not true. By a long shot.

Also, DR, what "desert climate" are you talking about? :smallconfused:

Also also, the harmonic minor scale is pretty cool to mess around in. :smalltongue:

[CurlyKitGirl]

The end is nigh!
It has been hot, cloudless and the sun has beem seen for the whole weekend (nighttime hours excluded) in this miserable, rainy peninsula of Britland!
The lido is open and full of swimmers! Beaches have people on them! SUnbathing! And swimming!
People are wearing shorts, t - shirts and swimming cossies!
And it is wondrously warm, with a small breeze.
I've been out most of the weekend.
Sadly my sandals are plaguing me with blisters as there's this annoying stitch in the lining that rubs against my poor foot.
*shrugses*
I pity my brother though, from tomorrow 'til Thursday he has some eight exams and no study leave. And this heat is predicted to last for the whole week.
I mourn too, as my first two exams are Thursday afternoon.
I should start revising.

Plus today I caught up with some twenty pages of RB and I have giggled. I doubt there're many places on the internets where that kind of thing happens.

[Fredthefighter]

The end is nigh!
It has been hot, cloudless and the sun has beem seen for the whole weekend (nighttime hours excluded) in this miserable, rainy peninsula of Britland!
The lido is open and full of swimmers! Beaches have people on them! SUnbathing! And swimming!
People are wearing shorts, t - shirts and swimming cossies!
And it is wondrously warm, with a small breeze.
I've been out most of the weekend.
Sadly my sandals are plaguing me with blisters as there's this annoying stitch in the lining that rubs against my poor foot.
*shrugses*
I pity my brother though, from tomorrow 'til Thursday he has some eight exams and no study leave. And this heat is predicted to last for the whole week.
I mourn too, as my first two exams are Thursday afternoon.
I should start revising.

Plus today I caught up with some twenty pages of RB and I have giggled. I doubt there're many places on the internets where that kind of thing happens.

I have an exam tomorrow and three more on wednesday (oh dear), I should really start revising now shouldn't I? :smallbiggrin::smalleek:
Also, I agree with you about the weather, it's too good to be true for some reason.

[Dragonrider]

Also, DR, what "desert climate" are you talking about? :smallconfused:

The same "desert climate" that makes me laugh whenever people talk about Oregon and Washington as a green, lush paradise. :smalltongue: Central, Eastern, and Southern Oregon are all "high" or "low" desert...not the sandy desert most people think of, but the sagebrush country where you can see twenty miles in every direction and the only three trees in your line of sight are a hundred years old and three feet tall. :smalltongue:

We get ~10-12 inches of rain per year here, but the next town over gets about four. :smallsigh: The average lawn requires 36 inches a year. Water is a huge problem here...we do a lot of xeriscapic gardening.

[randman22222]

The same "desert climate" that makes me laugh whenever people talk about Oregon and Washington as a green, lush paradise. :smalltongue: Central, Eastern, and Southern Oregon are all "high" or "low" desert...not the sandy desert most people think of, but the sagebrush country where you can see twenty miles in every direction and the only three trees in your line of sight are a hundred years old and three feet tall. :smalltongue:

We get ~10-12 inches of rain per year here, but the next town over gets about four. :smallsigh: The average lawn requires 36 inches a year. Water is a huge problem here...we do a lot of xeriscapic gardening.

...The pacific northwest has deserts? O.o

[Dragonrider]

...The pacific northwest has deserts? O.o

AND rainforests. :smallbiggrin:

We're craaaaaaaaazy.

[CurlyKitGirl]

Furthermore!
Yesterday I rediscovered my mum's Revlon nail hardening nail varnish (works over two weeks), and thanks to my aspirations to have long claws similar to those of a cat, I naturally applied a layer last night.
I have now scratched and drawn blood a grand total of four times. My nails are now long and lethal.
This pleases me, but it's awkward to rub my eyes now. Not to mention that my shortest nail is just over one and a quarter inches long, with the longest being just shy of two an a half inches.
This is pleasing, but understandably painful.

@DeeRee: I'll sell you some of our rain. By Om, I'd even give it away!

@Fred: Yah boo, suck dog doos to you. :smalltongue:

[randman22222]

Heh, reminds me of Douglas Adams' rain god. You ought to send him up that way. He can skip here, though. It's too humid.

[Fredthefighter]

@Fred: Yah boo, suck dog doos to you. :smalltongue:

Well, I've never heard it put quite in that way :smallamused:, but thankyou. :smalltongue:

Not worried about tomorrow's exam, but I'm slightly worried about getting all of History Paper 1 (USA 1910-29 and Germany 1919-45) done in the two hours on Wednesday and the French Listening exam in the afternoon. C'est la vie. :smallsigh:

[Mr. Mud]

Averagejoe: I've been thinking of something a bit more simple that wouldn't have as many possible holes in it, as some of my other scenarios. Let's say...

I'm standing in the middle of an absolutely dark field, that is immensely vast. I'm shining a flashlight into the sky and the beam of light is visible for let's say... one hundred miles. The distant doesn't really play that big of a role in the case, but regardless, the light is going pretty far out. Now, I spin the actual flashlight around in my hand as quickly as practical, so the beam of light made a complete 180 turn, across the sky. The beam of light is moving at the same rate the flashlight is, so in the time it takes the flashlight to make a 3 foot angling adjustment, it will take the beam of light to make a several hundred mile arc. Correct :smallconfused:?

[Phase]

Due to a time-share discrepancy with Don Knotts, I'm legally obligated to pose this question once every two months:

Who would win in a fight? Statler and Waldorf or Gilbert and Sullivan?

[Rutskarn]

Statler and Waldorf. They don't have puppeteers, you know. They're demons, like on that one episode of Angel that was so damn creepy.

[Mr. Mud]

I agree with Ruts... By the way, I'm next to you in the Crowd pic. How appropriate... I remember that first night you started posting in RB. I feel old... regardless of your epically-larger-than-my post count :smallamused:.

[averagejoe]

Averagejoe: I've been thinking of something a bit more simple that wouldn't have as many possible holes in it, as some of my other scenarios. Let's say...

I'm standing in the middle of an absolutely dark field, that is immensely vast. I'm shining a flashlight into the sky and the beam of light is visible for let's say... one hundred miles. The distant doesn't really play that big of a role in the case, but regardless, the light is going pretty far out. Now, I spin the actual flashlight around in my hand as quickly as practical, so the beam of light made a complete 180 turn, across the sky. The beam of light is moving at the same rate the flashlight is, so in the time it takes the flashlight to make a 3 foot angling adjustment, it will take the beam of light to make a several hundred mile arc. Correct :smallconfused:?

Sort of. The thing is that the beam isn't a physical thing, it's a stream of photons, so moving the flashlight would just be cutting off the stream at one point and restarting it at another; it's like waving a hose back and forth. The stream of water doesn't stay solid, it curves with the motion of the hose.

It would look kind of like this:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/teddifunken/lightbeam.jpg

except the spiral part would be more circular. This is just an instantaneous look, however; all of the light would be moving away from you at the speed of light.

[Mr. Mud]

AJ: Hm, okay, I think I sort of understand... My highest formal physics education was AP Physics, in which I sort of sat in the back, texted, then cram studied and aced the finals :smalltongue:.

But, wouldn't that also mean that light can move faster than the pre determined speed of light? Or is there a language discrepancy in the title "Speed of Light"? Or does this not demonstrate light moving fast at all, but just shows blasts of photons moving in a circle sine the beam is not whole :smallconfused:? I'm sort of just spilling my thoughts here with no real articulation, but:

Would these photons, or the rate at which they are being emmitted be moving faster than the speed of light?
And
Does 'speed of light' mean the speed at which light moves or the speed at which photons are emitted from a source?

[averagejoe]

The speed of light refers to how fast light moves; emission rate can be thought of as intensity. The more photons the light source produces per time, the brighter the light is. But all of the photons will be moving at exactly the speed of light (unless they encounter some other medium.)

This:


Or does this not demonstrate light moving fast at all, but just shows blasts of photons moving in a circle sine the beam is not whole ?

is more or less correct. Except the photons themselves aren't really moving in a circle, but I don't think that's what you meant.

[Mr. Mud]

Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up :smalltongue:. I was trying to find some sort of "Physics Win" for you, but all I got is... http://talklikeaphysicist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/physics-lolcat.jpg :smalltongue:.

Okay so...

You may have seen this little proof that 2 = 1:

a = x [true for some a's and x's]
a+a = a+x [add a to both sides]
2a = a+x [a+a = 2a]
2a-2x = a+x-2x [subtract 2x from both sides]
2(a-x) = a+x-2x [2a-2x = 2(a-x)]
2(a-x) = a-x [x-2x = -x]
2 = 1 [divide both sides by a-x]

That last step involved dividing by zero... Bleh. :smallyuk:. I thought I has something.

[Rutskarn]

I agree with Ruts... By the way, I'm next to you in the Crowd pic. How appropriate... I remember that first night you started posting in RB. I feel old... regardless of your epically-larger-than-my post count :smallamused:.

Internet's a funny thing, innit?

[Dragonrider]

It's weird for me to look around and realize that I'm actually kind of an oldie-itp. :smalleek:

"kind of" being the operative term.

[Phase]

It's weird for me to look around and realize that I'm actually kind of an oldie-itp. :smalleek:

"kind of" being the operative term.

Man, I wish I was an oldie, such memories...

I'll make my own memories! Like with a sandcastle lobotomy!

[Fredthefighter]

It's weird for me to look around and realize that I'm actually kind of an oldie-itp. :smalleek:

"kind of" being the operative term.

Yep.
Also, for those who haven't noticed, I've managed to get my little sister to join the forums.

[Sub_Zero]

Yep.
Also, for those who haven't noticed, I've managed to get my little sister to join the forums.

What name does she go by?

I doubt I'd notice either, I only really look at this and a couple of other threads and hardly ever post

[Fredthefighter]

What name does she go by?

I doubt I'd notice either, I only really look at this and a couple of other threads and hardly ever post

She's called..... HPsauce. :smallbiggrin:

[Sub_Zero]

She's called..... HPsauce. :smallbiggrin:

Neat. Yeah, I was just checking the new arrivals and found her. Everyone seems suprised you have a sister. Oh well.
So how are the GCSEs coming along Fred?

[Nameless]

What is revising?

And I still have 3 days and 1 year to go. Still exciting for me though.

Apparently, it’s where you sit with a book and highlight everything. I tried that once, I never really got how highlighting all the words helps though. :smallconfused:

[Dragonrider]

I have two brothers and a roommate (cycoris) on the forums.

It's weird. :smalltongue:

[Sub_Zero]

I have two brothers and a roommate (cycoris) on the forums.

It's weird. :smalltongue:

My older brother used to post on the forums. But he stopped doing that a couple of years ago. I'm not entirely sure why. But that's how I came across the forums and I figured I might as well join, even if I don't post a huge amount

[Phase]

I have a classmate in Uncle Festy, but not much else, much to my chagrin, I'd love to have someone else with whom to discuss the forums.

[Mr. Mud]

Bleh, I post in sporadic bursts, so I'm sort of an oldie, or of not. Ronsian if any of remember, actually got me addicted, and now I think even he's gone. DeeRee, you're only like 4 or 5 months older than me, playground-wise :smallcool:. I'll be expecting a 3 year anniversary present a few months after you realize how epic yours will be :smalltongue:.

Edit: I don't have any family, or RL friends on the forums much any more... but me and a few playgrounds have got rather close :smalltongue:.

[Sub_Zero]

I have a classmate in Uncle Festy, but not much else, much to my chagrin, I'd love to have someone else with whom to discuss the forums.

I quite like not having anyone I know on the forums. It means it's mine alone and none of my friends can change that. I like to keep it separate from my real life.

[Fredthefighter]

Neat. Yeah, I was just checking the new arrivals and found her. Everyone seems suprised you have a sister. Oh well.
So how are the GCSEs coming along Fred?

Not bad, right now, I'm revising for my maths exam which is tomorrow. No worries though. :smallbiggrin:
Yeah, I don't know why people are surprised that I have a little sister (even if she is the spawn of all evil :smalltongue:)

[Castaras]

My whole family has accounts. :smallbiggrin:

Lensman is well known in the UKitp circle. He's my dad (fortunately? Unfortunately? Dunno really.)

Starfish has posted once, I think, and now hardly even looks at the forums from what I can tell. She's my mum.

Valdus Fire was an active lurker among the fan comics. Dunno if he still is. That would be my brother.

And then there's my cuddly wonderful fox that is on these forums. ^.^

@^ Hah, I have my maths exam tomorrow too! Edexcel Calculator?

[Sub_Zero]

@^ Hah, I have my maths exam tomorrow too! Edexcel Calculator?

I have mine as well. But it's AQA and not Edexcel. It is calculator though.

[Mr. Mud]

Yes! I finally beat the level in Inkball I've been practicing for since September! Life is complete.

:smalleek:. But Ehrm, no none of my family posts itp, which I am very, very thankful for. :smalltongue:

[Quincunx]

Two people from my home forum followed me here, then nestled into the d20 forum. One departed after the worg game disintegrated; the other is still here as sporadically as his online presence on the other forum. No guildies from any game, no RL acquaintances here to the best of my knowledge.


Apparently, it’s where you sit with a book and highlight everything. I tried that once, I never really got how highlighting all the words helps though. :smallconfused:

Amen to that. 'Twas always a baffling, blinding year when I got such a color-coordinated textbook. My only guess is that lesson boredom + highlighters = entire paragraphs overlaid with blocks of color without respect to the text. Then again, the quality of the marginalia was always inversely proportional to the amount of it. A body was better off not regarding the previous owners' remarks as study aids, as a rule. The notebooks and worksheet marginalia, on the other hand, made no pretense of being study material, especially after celebrating the end of another school year by going back over the notebooks with an acerbic pen. My friends and I achieved levels of perv that it took the Internet years to surpass.

[Fredthefighter]

Hah, I have my maths exam tomorrow too! Edexcel Calculator?

I've got OCR, Terminal paper, Non-calculator and Calculator tomorrow
I've been doing Modular, so I need to do the terminals tomorrow and the Module 10 exam on the 23rd June.

[Castaras]

Ahhh. Yeah, just Edexcel for me. Fun. ^.^

[CurlyKitGirl]

It's weird for me to look around and realize that I'm actually kind of an oldie-itp. :smalleek:

"kind of" being the operative term.

Don't worry. We still wuv you. Myself, I can't remember when I joined without looking at my Join Date thingy. 2007 perhaps?
Seems right.

And on this forum are my Best Friend (never posted though), some acquaintances and perhaps other people I know from college.
I don't mind. Makes this my thing and mine alone.

Revising?
Meh. It's just rereading your set texts (for Lit, History and Classics) and going over what you've made notes on again.
It's okay, hateful when it comes to M His; depends on the person though really.

[Thufir]

And on this forum are my Best Friend (never posted though)

This for me as well, but with an 'is' instead of 'are'.

[Raistlin1040]

I've been here forever and a day. You'd think I'd have my own army of fangirls (and fanboys too, equal opportunity) by now.

Hm. I should remedy this.

[Coidzor]

Hmm, you seem different somehow, Raistlin, though I can't quite put my finger on it....:smallconfused:

Groupies: something that has to be cultivated.

I should see if my brother is on the forums or not... If he ever saw my username/avatar he'd know me in a second, and I know he reads OotS, having gotten my dad to start perusing it and Girl Genius...

[Raistlin1040]

Cultivated, hm? Right, good idea. *Sets up a groupie farm in the South of France*

[CurlyKitGirl]

This for me as well, but with an 'is' instead of 'are'.

Oh? Who?
Also: because you took a clause out of my sentence it makes me think my sentence is wrong even though I know why I put 'are' and not 'is'.

[Coidzor]

Surely you can't be serious.

Dude, totally. Why do you think Psycho Mantis went insane?

Anyone here listen to fiddlin' music? I've just finished ripping all of the songs off of the CDs my mother got recently into her itunes library and find myself amazed at the mixture of desiring to strangle others and enjoying the sound of it....

[Thufir]

Oh? Who?

No idea. He just told me he joined, and then didn't feel like posting for some reason. *Shrug*

To all: Since I have a good memory sometimes and Rawhide's not here, I will remind people not to make a new RB thread, as something special is apparently going to happen. I for one want to see what it is.

[CurlyKitGirl]

Perhaps he'll get bored and start posting one day? You never know.

ION:
I have spent the last hour most gloriously mocking my siblings for they have school tomorrow and I don't! And it's hot out so they'll die. Especially as for Elder Younger Brother and Little Sister the school's No Blazer and Tie policy is doesn't kick in until the temperature goes above 21*C or starts the second/third week in June.
Ah, having a vindictive cad for a Big Sister must be upsetting. I love it. :smallbiggrin:

[Phase]

To all: Since I have a good memory sometimes and Rawhide's not here, I will remind people not to make a new RB thread, as something special is apparently going to happen. I for one want to see what it is.

I, for one, welcome our new Rawhide overlords. Hooray!

[Thufir]

Perhaps he'll get bored and start posting one day? You never know.

It's possible. I also need to introduce one of my other friends to the shipping thread at some point. I think she'd find it rather interesting.

[Coidzor]

Oooh, I'm excited! Thanks for reminding us, Monsieur Thur. :smallbiggrin:

I'm glad I've decided to have my itunes on more often lately. haha. Definitely helps act as a mind blank...