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JeenLeen
2009-05-14, 10:56 AM
I'm trying to create a wizard for my current campaign. If I end up making one, the party should be level 20 by the time he is introduced. I'm looking for some advice on PrC.

My concept is a high/gray elf (the +2 Int, -2 Str type). When 'young', he helped negotiate a peace between one group of elves and another tribe (I'll have to work with my DM to figure out who.) He thus received the title of Star-friend, enabling me to take the Ruathar class from Races of the Wild.

Since then, he has gone into relative isolation to do his studies. For the last two hundred years, he's been in the Underdark. During this time, he has slowly shifted to evil, researching dark spells (Asvacular Mass, some Corruption spells from BoVD, etc) to ensure that he is protected and using Mindrape to 'recruit' helpers from their dreary lives to his important projects. He hopes to eventually research spells that will help keep peace in the world and believes his ends justify the means. Thus, I'm thinking LE although I could probably swing NE.

I cannot use any 'too evil' PrC since I want him to consider himself good. (I plan on him having a continuous Mind Blank by spell or item.) Also, we are fighting against a big evil which is basically controlling most of the world through various alliances and lies. If he considered himself evil or only power/knowledge-hungry, he would be working with the bad guys. I thought of a level-dip of Cleric for Knowledge domain devotion or Bard for Urban Savant (if I can swing it by my DM) from Cityscape.

What PrC or other options seem fitting? I'm in a highly-optimized party with a Psionic Warrior, cleric/rogue, and sorcerer (who might be leaving).
House-rules: most save-and-suck spells are banned, as are Dragon Magazine and Tomb of Battle (but other books are open). Incanatrix and Initiate of the Sevenfold Viels are banned. Factotum is banned, so no dip into that. I have to finish one PrC before moving into a new one.

LOLC2k
2009-05-14, 11:07 AM
I'm trying to create a wizard for my current campaign. If I end up making one, the party should be level 20 by the time he is introduced. I'm looking for some advice on PrC.

My concept is a high/gray elf (the +2 Int, -2 Str type). When 'young', he helped negotiate a peace between one group of elves and another tribe (I'll have to work with my DM to figure out who.) He thus received the title of Star-friend, enabling me to take the Ruathar class from Races of the Wild.

Since then, he has gone into relative isolation to do his studies. For the last two hundred years, he's been in the Underdark. During this time, he has slowly shifted to evil, researching dark spells (Asvacular Mass, some Corruption spells from BoVD, etc) to ensure that he is protected and using Mindrape to 'recruit' helpers from their dreary lives to his important projects. He hopes to eventually research spells that will help keep peace in the world and believes his ends justify the means. Thus, I'm thinking LE although I could probably swing NE.

I cannot use any 'too evil' PrC since I want him to consider himself good. (I plan on him having a continuous Mind Blank by spell or item.) Also, we are fighting against a big evil which is basically controlling most of the world through various alliances and lies. If he considered himself evil or only power/knowledge-hungry, he would be working with the bad guys. I thought of a level-dip of Cleric for Knowledge domain devotion or Bard for Urban Savant (if I can swing it by my DM) from Cityscape.

What PrC or other options seem fitting? I'm in a highly-optimized party with a Psionic Warrior, cleric/rogue, and sorcerer (who might be leaving).
House-rules: most save-and-suck spells are banned, as are Dragon Magazine and Tomb of Battle (but other books are open). Incanatrix and Initiate of the Sevenfold Viels are banned. Factotum is banned, so no dip into that. I have to finish one PrC before moving into a new one.


I think LE would suit you better, it's difficult to be NE and think yourself good, although maybe neutral. But if he's honorable and normally treats people with respect, he could still be LE, many LE's are very fine people until you REALLY get to know them. Have you considered master specialist? Not a bad class, it's not the most overpowered, but it's pretty good, and you don't lose stuff. Depends on what you specialize in. Familiars can be really powerful at high levels, but if you're going to use a replacement option, conjuration's abrupt jaunt is absolutely ridiculously powerful.

What level are you starting at, also? Edit: Ah, 20.

Not sure at all then, I don't really like playing epic, well, at least not starting there. In that case, I wouldn't drop the familiar, cuz you are already at the point where you can use it to nuke everything twice a round along with yourself.

Sstoopidtallkid
2009-05-14, 11:18 AM
In that case, I wouldn't drop the familiar, cuz you are already at the point where you can use it to nuke everything twice a round along with yourself.If he's a Conjurer, it's well worth it to drop the Familiar for Abrupt Jaunt then take the Obtain Familiar feat to replace it. Abrupt Jaunt is just that good.

LOLC2k
2009-05-14, 11:21 AM
That isn't a bad idea. I'm making a conjurer specialist who will take obtain familiar.

Killer Angel
2009-05-14, 11:29 AM
I'm trying to create a wizard for my current campaign. If I end up making one, the party should be level 20 by the time he is introduced. I'm looking for some advice on PrC.


Sorry, I can't resist... :smallbiggrin:
Develope the spell "Soul splice", and bind yourself to the souls of evil wizards for the greater good.

JeenLeen
2009-05-14, 11:32 AM
If he's a Conjurer, it's well worth it to drop the Familiar for Abrupt Jaunt then take the Obtain Familiar feat to replace it. Abrupt Jaunt is just that good.

I forgot to add: Abrupt Jaunt has been changed from an immediate action to a swift action, so it's not nearly as good. (DM didn't want us using it as an enemy swung at us, for example.)

I'm thinking Conjurgation specialist, dropping Evocation and Enchantment, or Divination specialist, dropping Evocation. Probably the latter as I want Enchantment spells for the character concept and since Abrupt Jaunt has been limited. I might change this depending on the different Master Specialist abilities.

Edit: Has anyone found the Generalist wizard variation for Elves to be useful? If I read it right, it sounds like less spells/day overall and thus not worth it.

LOLC2k
2009-05-14, 11:39 AM
at that high of a level, I'd keep the familiar if you don't have abrupt jaunt. Also, it's fine that he changed the way it works. But there's no longer anything abrupt about it. shouldn't it now be... I dunno. Planned Jaunt? Or "10 feet o'movement?"

Edit: It's not bad if you don't plan on going master specialist, and can't get the familiar replacement stuff. because it's one extra spell at your highest level, and don't forget, one extra spell known every time you level is damn good. Not as good as collegiate wizard, ut still.

Douglas
2009-05-14, 12:04 PM
I thought of a level-dip of Cleric for Knowledge domain devotion
No need for a cleric dip to do that. Knowledge Devotion is a feat and you can take it as a wizard just like any other, clerics just get the option to take it in place of the normal domain granted power if they have the Knowledge domain.