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Imgran
2009-05-19, 02:08 PM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/Imgran/Curious.png

teratorn
2009-05-19, 02:17 PM
And your point is? :smallconfused:

It looks like that guy is going to get killed next. Not surprising to find him there, Saline had human soldiers, also not surprising for the rebelling gobwins to kill them all.

Imgran
2009-05-19, 02:29 PM
My point is that while it's obviously a silhouette and not very conclusive, it looks a bit like Wanda.

I was thinking of this just now because Wanda said that Stanley was still a warlord and had just gotten control of the Arkenhammer when she invited him to Faq. Carrying that line of thought forward, I was wondering if that little inconclusive image might wind up actually being significant later -- portraying Wanda's role in sweeping Saline out of power in favor of her puppet.

T-O-E
2009-05-19, 02:41 PM
Then why is she in chains?

Imgran
2009-05-19, 02:42 PM
She isn't in chains -- or doesn't appear to me to be. She does look like she might be handcuffed, but even that isnt' clear.

Sweetie Welf
2009-05-19, 03:12 PM
I also wondered when I saw it first. Could be a red herring, could be checkov's gun.

For later speaks, that we only see very few living humans from GK. Only Saline, Stanley, Sizemore, Maggie and shortly Manpower. Then the 4 other uncoraked warlords, and more uncroaked. We see dozends of RCC soldiers and even some normal units from Faq, but never from GK.

My theory: maybe that was some noble or royal unit, that started to charm Saline IV and threatened Stanley's position as heir. So either Stanley or Wanda had to act.

BillyJimBoBob
2009-05-19, 03:38 PM
It does look as though Saline's head might fall once removed from his shoulders. And it's a steep drop. A steep drop. Ah ha! Clearly, Stanley conceived the whole plot!

slayerx
2009-05-19, 04:15 PM
I also wondered when I saw it first. Could be a red herring, could be checkov's gun.

For later speaks, that we only see very few living humans from GK. Only Saline, Stanley, Sizemore, Maggie and shortly Manpower. Then the 4 other uncoraked warlords, and more uncroaked. We see dozends of RCC soldiers and even some normal units from Faq, but never from GK.


There were supposedly fewer than 200 human units (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0005.html) in Gobwinknob
This is possibly made up of the pikers, archers, and stabbers (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0084.html)... though it's possible that one or more of those groups were non-human like the knights... though the pikers were definitely human as Stanley started out as a piker (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0087.html)... and considering manpower used a sword, i'd say it's somewhat likely that the stabber-class were also human

BLANDCorporatio
2009-05-19, 04:33 PM
It is too little to tell, that picture- although yes, it would be significant and tie in well with the rest of the story.

Alas, we don't see much. Really, that doesn't look as much as Wanda as it resembles the Predator.

Also, were you aiming for a reference for art nerds? "this is not a pipe" :smallsmile:

ishnar
2009-05-19, 05:47 PM
My point is that while it's obviously a silhouette and not very conclusive, it looks a bit like Wanda.

I was thinking of this just now because Wanda said that Stanley was still a warlord and had just gotten control of the Arkenhammer when she invited him to Faq. Carrying that line of thought forward, I was wondering if that little inconclusive image might wind up actually being significant later -- portraying Wanda's role in sweeping Saline out of power in favor of her puppet.

I really don't see the second silhouette as anything other than another red shirt. The second shadow has a sword just as far from her throat as from the king's.

HamsterOfTheGod
2009-05-19, 07:07 PM
My point is that while it's obviously a silhouette and not very conclusive, it looks a bit like Wanda.

I was thinking of this just now because Wanda said that Stanley was still a warlord and had just gotten control of the Arkenhammer when she invited him to Faq. Carrying that line of thought forward, I was wondering if that little inconclusive image might wind up actually being significant later -- portraying Wanda's role in sweeping Saline out of power in favor of her puppet.

In the 4th panel of 87/79, if any silhoute looks like Wanda, it's the one holding the sword to Saline. It is bigger than the other goblins and, to me at least, it has always looked female and almost as if it's wearing a cowl. It could be Jillian but that doesn't quit jive with her story 92/83.

We know after 160/147 that Wanda was in a position to inform the goblins that (1) Stanley was away and (2) he might not be coming back and (3) Saline was undefended.

So Wanda might have "encouraged" the goblin revolt. But that said, it is hard for me to imagine why or how she would leave FAQ just before Stanley attacked or why or how she managed to be the one holding a sword to Saline's head.

As for the big-headed figure you circled, I've always thought that must be someone else from Saline's big-headed clan. Saline is strangely proportioned, even for an Erf-worlder.

Gez
2009-05-19, 07:34 PM
In the 4th panel of 87/79, if any silhoute looks like Wanda, it's the one holding the sword to Saline. It is bigger than the other goblins and, to me at least, it has always looked female and almost as if it's wearing a cowl. It could be Jillian but that doesn't quit jive with her story 92/83.

It's quite clearly a hobgobwin (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0050.html). Refer to Mung (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0028.html) or the KISS (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0082.html) for example. They're taller than Erf-humans (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0081.html) (though still a bit smaller than Earth-humans) and fit with that silhouette better than Wanda would.

HamsterOfTheGod
2009-05-19, 07:37 PM
It's quite clearly a hobgobwin (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0050.html). Refer to Mung (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0028.html) or the KISS (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0082.html) for example. They're taller than Erf-humans (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0081.html) (though still a bit smaller than Earth-humans) and fit with that silhouette better than Wanda would.

I know about hobgobwins but, in silhoute, it's as clear to me that it's not a hobgobwin as it is clear to you that it is a hobgobwin.

Hobgobwins are taller than Stanley but so are other "Erf-humans" including Wanda (not that that means anything).

slayerx
2009-05-19, 08:11 PM
I know about hobgobwins but, in silhoute, it's as clear to me that it's not a hobgobwin as it is clear to you that it is a hobgobwin.


you can even see that it's got horns on it's head in the silhouette... and the body looks pretty masculine to me... Wanda's got a nicer, thinner figure that that

HamsterOfTheGod
2009-05-19, 08:40 PM
you can even see that it's got horns on it's head in the silhouette... and the body looks pretty masculine to me... Wanda's got a nicer, thinner figure that that

Look you both realize that:

1) The OP said he thought the silhouted figure he circled was Wanda.

2) I pointed out that I thought that the circled figure did not resemble Wanda in the least, not in my opinion. If anything, the circled figure's large head was similar in proportion to Saline's large head.

3) I said the the silhouted figure did not look like a gobwin to me (hob or otherwise). Something about it makes it look different from a gobwin for me. Which means to me tha it might not be gobwin. Or it might be a gobwin. I can't say for sure.

4) I said that although Wanda may have tipped off the gobwins that Stanley was away that there was no reason for Wanda to be away from FAQ or to be in that picture (not as far as we know).

So I was disagreeing with the OP that Wanda was in the picture. I was not saying what was definitely in the silhouted picture

Yet you two insist that it must be a hobgobwin in the silhoute? And obviously the silhoute drawing was chosen to make it crystal clear what happened in that picture...

Alexei P
2009-05-20, 11:16 AM
4) I said that although Wanda may have tipped off the gobwins that Stanley was away that there was no reason for Wanda to be away from FAQ or to be in that picture (not as far as we know).


It is likely that Wanda was a Gobwin Knob unit at the time of Saline's death. At the time of the depicted events, Faq had surely long fallen.

I do not know whether Wanda is in the picture, but I'm betting the gobwin revolt was entirely her doing.

Robak
2009-05-22, 09:52 AM
I do not know whether Wanda is in the picture, but I'm betting the gobwin revolt was entirely her doing.
I agree with that. She doesnt seem to be duty bound to GK so she could easily pull it off, it fits her character and ambitions. Unclear only, whether or not Stanley knew of the plan beforehand.

kreszantas
2009-05-23, 01:31 AM
A couple of missing points: When Stanley retook GK is highly doubtful that Wanda was left behind on the mission, she was probably with the group of several other casters. Sizemore does not mention anymore about it and we do not see in any of the other frames confirming this to be what actually happened. The circled figure could easy be the personal lackey of Saline and also dismissed in that fashion :amused: Not enough evidence, case dismissed.