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Lord of Rapture
2009-06-28, 08:52 PM
Your undiscerning taste leads me to conclude that you are a heathen. Or perhaps an infidel. Or a Barbarian. Either way, you must die.
I already said that A's is good. It's just that the other two seasons are just too shallow on plot and and pacing to appeal to me.
Fate/Stay Night is much, much better in visual novel form. When I read the novel, I realized how deluded I was to think the anime was great.
Axis Powers Hetalia is Lucky Star with yaoi and historical references. So, more informative, but still rubbish in my eyes.
@Cubey: Yeah, I know. Quite frankly, it's not that anime is a format that I don't like, it's just that Sturgeon's Law applies quite strongly to me.
What do you expect from someone who named himself the self-declared ruler of failed underwater capitalist utopia where the former best and brightest of humanity have all gone murderously insane?:smallamused:
And nothingclever is the poor man's EE. He has some of his finesse when it comes to criticism, but he still has ways to go.
Tengu_temp
2009-06-28, 09:16 PM
Not the kind of show I've seen much of; should look into similar shows, though they'll be hard pressed to beat it.
As I wrote above, you could try Mushi-shi - it's very similar in atmosphere and has the same slow, action-less pace. Unlike Haibane Renmei, however, it's an episodic show rather than an ongoing arc, each episode connected only loosely (at most) to others.
Artemician
2009-06-29, 02:05 AM
I already said that A's is good. It's just that the other two seasons are just too shallow on plot and and pacing to appeal to me.
Fate/Stay Night is much, much better in visual novel form. When I read the novel, I realized how deluded I was to think the anime was great.
Axis Powers Hetalia is Lucky Star with yaoi and historical references. So, more informative, but still rubbish in my eyes.
No, you have me quite misunderstood.
How can you consider these shows passable when they are barely tolerable?
Lord of Rapture
2009-06-29, 02:08 AM
No, you have me quite misunderstood.
How can you consider these shows passable when they are barely tolerable?
Is there any difference?
To me, they are the same thing.
Salvonus
2009-06-29, 03:35 AM
I'm extremely curious... What exactly is it about Haruhi that won the anime such a following? I can't say that I was particularly impressed.
No, I seriously am not trolling. I'd just like to understand why it has such a following. :smallsmile:
kamikasei
2009-06-29, 06:40 AM
Yaa, Kyon-kun, Kyon-kun!
U r thick.
That's all.
I'm extremely curious... What exactly is it about Haruhi that won the anime such a following? I can't say that I was particularly impressed.
No, I seriously am not trolling. I'd just like to understand why it has such a following. :smallsmile:
Nothing gets that big entirely on its own merits. Its popularity is at least somewhat contingent, not entirely necessary. Right place, right time, right trends, etc.
That said, it's a very high-quality anime with likable characters and an entertainingly zany style. The meta aspects pander to nerds.
Artemician
2009-06-29, 06:45 AM
Is there any difference?
To me, they are the same thing.
There's a different emphasis, but whatever rocks your boat.
I'm extremely curious... What exactly is it about Haruhi that won the anime such a following? I can't say that I was particularly impressed.
No, I seriously am not trolling. I'd just like to understand why it has such a following. :smallsmile:
I saw facets of my life in all of the characters - it connected to me in a way that no other show did (or has done so) before.
But that's probably just me. For other people, I'd imagine it was the visual beauty of the show, the relaxed atmosphere, the unique presentation - but I can't say for them, of course.
*
On the topic of Haruhi, Suzumiya Haruhi no Gensou (the Tokyo Phil concert) was a pleasant surprise. Granted, Hirano Aya still can't sing live, but the instrumental tracks were arranged rather well.
Prime32
2009-06-29, 06:47 AM
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii93/Akemi-Murakami/mikuru.jpghttp://www.furuanimepanikku.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/kyon_facepalm.jpg
Two reasons
Dispozition
2009-06-29, 06:51 AM
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii93/Akemi-Murakami/mikuru.jpghttp://www.furuanimepanikku.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/kyon_facepalm.jpg
Two reasons
I lol'd.
Honestly, while it was good, it wasn't 'teh best ting evorzfsdmf!!!1!!!11!111!oneityone!'. It was an enjoyable watch with a good mix of different elements.
kamikasei
2009-06-29, 06:57 AM
Two reasons
Ah, now that I quote I see that you had a Kyon image in there which isn't wasn't displaying for some reason. I thought you were just saying "two reasons":
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2488/521653-mikuru_asahina_large.jpg
However! You have overlooked the fact that Nagato Is Love. This cannot be forgiven. (Even if, in truth, Mikuru probably does account for more of the show's popularity. Sigh.)
Prime32
2009-06-29, 07:30 AM
Ah, now that I quote I see that you had a Kyon image in there which isn't wasn't displaying for some reason. I thought you were just saying "two reasons":
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2488/521653-mikuru_asahina_large.jpg
Oh, in that case, three reasons. :smallbiggrin:
However! You have overlooked the fact that Nagato Is Love. This cannot be forgiven. (Even if, in truth, Mikuru probably does account for more of the show's popularity. Sigh.)
I thought Nagato was Rei (http://jointsareokay.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-almost-too-quiet.html)? :smallconfused:
And I like Mikuru because she's a parody of Moe characters. Yuki's backwards-SQL chants are good too. :smalltongue:
Lord of Rapture
2009-06-29, 08:52 AM
For me, there is only one reason I still pay attention to Haruhi:
Behold, the genderbent cast!:smallbiggrin:
http://www.sos-dan.com/img/src/1204407127680.jpg
Tengu_temp
2009-06-29, 09:02 AM
This meme is still alive?
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 09:04 AM
So, Nanoha StrikerS FINALLY finished, and like most people, I didn't like it as much as A's.
Probably could have stood to be another 13 episode season, and introduce fewer new characters. As it stood, definitely more cluttered, and it seemed like the budget was spread a lot more thinly; the fights definitely weren't up to A's standards, though Subaru was still fun. Teana's 3 on 1 didn't care about that at least since it was her out-thinking rather than out-fighting them.
And now I wait for season 4. This is becoming quite the franchise...
Lord of Rapture
2009-06-29, 09:09 AM
So, Nanoha StrikerS FINALLY finished, and like most people, I didn't like it as much as A's.
Probably could have stood to be another 13 episode season, and introduce fewer new characters. As it stood, definitely more cluttered, and it seemed like the budget was spread a lot more thinly; the fights definitely weren't up to A's standards, though Subaru was still fun. Teana's 3 on 1 didn't care about that at least since it was her out-thinking rather than out-fighting them.
And now I wait for season 4. This is becoming quite the franchise...
What? Cluttered?
My problem is that it was too thinly spread: pratically no plot until the final few episodes, and the new characters were all ultimately reduced to decorations along with the former male leads, leaving Nanoha (most boring main character eva) and Fate to do most of the action and posing.
Not to mention Jali was one of the most underwhelming and least compelling villains that I had ever seen in anime, and yes, that includes Aizen.
The only thing that saves StrikerS from being awful is Vivio.
Quite frankly, I'm happy about the protagonist of season 4. A male lead in a magical girl show? Could we finally have something new and innovative like A's?:smallsmile:
This meme is still alive?
Barely, but it's the only reason I haven't completely taken the series off my radar.
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 09:14 AM
What? Cluttered?
My problem is that it was too thinly spread: pratically no plot until the final few episodes, and the new characters were all ultimately reduced to decorations along with the former male leads, leaving Nanoha (most boring main character eva) and Fate to do most of the action and posing.
Not to mention Jali was one of the most underwhelming and least compelling villains that I had ever seen in anime, and yes, that includes Aizen.
The only thing that saves StrikerS from being awful is Vivio.
Quite frankly, I'm happy about the protagonist of season 4. A male lead in a magical girl show? Could we finally have something new and innovative like A's?:smallsmile:
Barely, but it's the only reason I haven't completely taken the series off my radar.
Cluttered with stuff other than the plot i.e. too many characters and non-plot events; the meaty stuff was too thinly spread.
I could totally find villains I like less than Jail; he was merely generic to me, not god-awful, though I can handle generic otherwise.
Vivio was mostly there for Nanoha's and Fate's characters; this is not a bad thing, as the interaction between that three was one of the things I liked.
Of the other new characters, Caro and Erio were... not terrible? Just unnecessary, though I guess giving Fate her students was important. Lots of other characters they tried to do things with that just fell flat, like the helicoptor pilot sniper and... all those freaking enemies. So many! I like Teana and Subaru at least, since the whole 'secretly cyborg' thing was actually being handled pretty orderly by the parties involved. Could've used more Subaru with both Caliber devices though.
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 09:44 AM
Rideback, didn't watch that either.
Only good part of Rideback is when this girl gets beheaded and people took a screencap of her, put little instructional scissor guiding lines across her neck and the caption cut here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/rb_2.jpg
The only other redeeming quality was the fact that Rin sounded almost exactly like Moka from Rosario+Vampire because Nana Mizuki voiced both characters.
Hello? Murder? Torture? Paranoia? The first season was completely trying to go for horror. And failed miserably. The second season shifted to drama, and became slightly better, but still mediocre at best.
The new Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei OVA has some hilarious moments. I've always watched the show for the lulz. I can't take any of the nasty parts even a little seriously. For instance, watching this part made my day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWqJCWOhoJQ (Warning: ruthless loli on loli chair beating)
Haruhi has been a giant face palm so far. One garbage episode just to set up another garbage episode that spends the first half just recapping the first one.
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 09:47 AM
Only good part of Rideback is when this girl gets beheaded and people took a screencap of her, put little instructional scissor guiding lines across her neck and the caption cut here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/rb_2.jpg
:smalleek:
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-29, 10:05 AM
Regarding Haruhi's popularity: postmodernism and Yuki.
Regarding Nanoha: yeah, StrikerS was dull. A's is still sublime, though.
Regarding Rideback:nothingclever's deep and well-thought-out review aside, I should watch that. Segway biker gangs and pretty girls? Yes please.
Closet_Skeleton
2009-06-29, 10:08 AM
Someone else who's seen it? Holy crap, first one I've met yet. What's better is that it's one of your favourites. Awesome.
I've seen it.
Prime32
2009-06-29, 10:17 AM
Of the other new characters, Caro and Erio were... not terrible? Just unnecessary, though I guess giving Fate her students was important. Lots of other characters they tried to do things with that just fell flat, like the helicoptor pilot sniper and... all those freaking enemies. So many! I like Teana and Subaru at least, since the whole 'secretly cyborg' thing was actually being handled pretty orderly by the parties involved. Could've used more Subaru with both Caliber devices though.
Caro at least got to summon Voltaire and kick ass. Erio did nothing, despite theoretically having one of the cooler devices in the series.
Yeah, I was disappointed that Subaru never used Hell and Heaven too. :smallfrown:
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 10:24 AM
Regarding Rideback:nothingclever's deep and well-thought-out review aside, I should watch that. Segway biker gangs and pretty girls? Yes please.
It really sucks. Trust me. There are no biker gangs. There is very little bike racing. There is very little of anything. It all ends up being about the military and government working together to be jerks. It's all very vague and easily forgotten. I can't remember exactly how the government stuff works but it's really bad. The main thing is people want to get militarized and even computer controlled ridebacks policing the streets of the country. At some point ridebacks are banned for civilian use. Some ex-military guy decides he's going to take down another military guy that's trying to become a politician now and I guess make the country more of a police state. It's all garbage because I remember the actual stuff that happened very well. There's very little real action and fighting. The big ending scene is Rin, the protagonist, using her super rideback riding skills to make a bunch of new automated police ridebacks crash into each other as they try to leap up and catch her which mimics a famous ballet scene.
It's just bad. Maybe the manga is vastly better but that doesn't help the anime. Rin barely fights anyone. She mostly just runs away by using her rideback to leap over soldiers set up at checkpoints. The scenes are so painfully stupid because no matter how fast she's moving or how stunning her skills are at least one soldier should have kept his composure and pumped her full of bullets using his machine gun.
I'm not saying fighting or action is the only thing that matters in a show. I'm saying it does nothing well in addition to being poor in this area.
The reason why Rin, a total rideback newb, is able to perform vastly better than some many other people is because she's been practicing and performing as an extremely successful ballerina her whole life and her mother was equally amazing if not more so. So magically being able to balance well on your feet makes operating a humanoid motorcycle extremely easy. Her friends all suck. One of them is just a really bland childhood friend. The other is a really annoying energetic character that's a huge fan of her ballet performances.
Ridebacks are not really cool if that's what you're thinking. They just threw some arms on a motorcyle and let it stand upright while moving.
The bike racing is very minimal. Rin meets a racing champ at her university. She notices Rin has some amazing innate talent because she's better at manually using her rideback than letting its computer do all the balancing calculations for her. Champ asks Rin to race her. They race but the result is inconclusive because Rin has an accident. They race again but I think they get interrupted or Rin still loses for whatever reason. Then there's one actual racing competition with more than two contestants where the champ easily wins against two guys that try to gang up on her and Rin loses because she has to use a regular rideback that breaks down because she puts too much stress on it because of her awesomeness. We find out her rideback called Fuego which is said as Few-go and Fay-go at random times is a super special prototype that's bonded with Rin so it can respond perfectly to every little move she makes. On regular ridebacks her maneuvers are just too intensive. Yawn.
There's no real political intrigue despite what I said about government/military plotting. Person A wants to get his big bad automated robots on the streets and mess with things. Person B says "No, lol. I'm a terrorist. I'm gonna track you down and kill you." Person A soils himself and gives a cheesy retort but stays behind his desk like a coward. Person B finds him in his military base, cuts power to electronics, gets in and kicks his ass. The end. There's an annoying reporter that stalks Rin and exposes the fact that the police robots are flawed and unnecessarily violent.
Drascin
2009-06-29, 10:31 AM
I saw facets of my life in all of the characters - it connected to me in a way that no other show did (or has done so) before.
What Art said. Plus it came as I was recovering from a particularly rocky time of my life (seriously, when I now think of myself in some previous years, the only thing I can think is that I want to slap myself in the face and go "cheer up, emo boy!"), and so Haruhi's battlecry of "if the world isn't interesting and wants to bring you down... **** that noise and let's make it interesting ourselves!" resonated very, very much with me, as did many other aspects of her. This is probably why Haruhi is still one of my preferred characters in all of fiction.
But apart from that, SHnY is a show with its little bit of depth that nonetheless doesn't try to hamfistedly throw in your face (as so much anime is wont to do), which is really refreshing. It's also outstandingly pretty, it's funny, and has a likable/interesting cast.
So, basically, it's more the fact that the series is good in all fronts than having a single "great" selling point.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-29, 10:41 AM
The problem comes when the fanboys want to throw the DEEP in your face, which makes it sound like every other DEEP anime out there (then again, fanboys of everything do this). And just looking at it on the surface makes it look like every other shallow school comedy out there. In reality, it's at a nice spot in between.
nothingclever: okay, that was a somewhat more useful review. Still, I can ignore plot sense in favor of eye candy, so maybe I'll watch it anyway after I get some more good stuff cleared off my to-watch list.
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 10:50 AM
I'll keep adding to the review anyways. The only reason I didn't write one initially is because it's just so bad. Y'know how they could've saved that show? Don't talk about militarizing the police force with automated ridebacks and make references to some past spooky war where ridebacks were used. Throw out the whole new world unified government stuff and put ridebacks in the real world. Have Rin get recruited for her amazing skills to go to some middle eastern country to slaughter insurgents with the power of ballet. It'd at least be funny and that's one more positive trait than the actual show has.
Rideback has very little eye candy. There are very few cool tricks in the show. It's 90% Rin doing a high jump on her rideback and everyone else going "OMG NO WAY IT"S BEAUTIFUL." There's literally a part where they say she's defying gravity and time or something very similar. They definitely talk about her defying physics just because she jumped high. That's just dumb. Funny, but dumb. Why not put in cool tricks that actually deserve that type of commentary instead?
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-29, 10:55 AM
Missed this
Haruhi has been a giant face palm so far. One garbage episode just to set up another garbage episode that spends the first half just recapping the first one.Um, did you watch the raws instead of the subtitles or something? It's pretty clear what was going on in the second episode and why the first episode was...okay, not important, but justified and not entirely a waste of time plotwise.
You also seem to have missed the first new episode which explains several key points of backstory mystery from the first season.
Cubey
2009-06-29, 10:59 AM
These episodes are important. Their repetition is a plot point. I also have to give credit where it is due - the animators could have just reused footage where there was little or no change between both episodes, but instead they have drawn all the scenes again. So, complaining "both episodes are pointless, there's no plot, they're about almost the same thing!" is missing the point. It's like complaining that the very first episode is rubbish because it looks like a poorly made amateur video full of fanservice and plot holes.
Also, SADYUKINEEDSHUG.
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 11:15 AM
Missed this
Um, did you watch the raws instead of the subtitles or something? It's pretty clear what was going on in the second episode and why the first episode was...okay, not important, but justified and not entirely a waste of time plotwise.
You also seem to have missed the first new episode which explains several key points of backstory mystery from the first season.
I'm just talking about the two loop episodes. The first was painfully bland. "Hey let's do A, B, C and D." Any motivation or anything extra interesting? Anything humorous? Nope. Just random activities done during the summer with Haruhi acting like a jerk to remind us how bad she is.
Half of the next episode is the same stuff summarized again with Kyon wondering if he's having deja vu. The next half he does nothing or almost nothing to confirm his suspicions of being stuck in a time loop despite being surrounded by supernatural people. He has to be invited to a meeting about the problem because he was too stupid to bring it up himself before. Then he mopes around like a moron because he won't do anything to make Haruhi satisfied with her summer to end the loop. Just when he decides to it's apparently too late. As soon as one character said Haruhi needed to be "satisfied" I immediately loled and facepalmed because the simple solution is for him to bang Haruhi. Heck he could just kiss her but of course I knew he'd conveniently be too stupid and apprehensive to do so. I hated the dialog at the meeting. The creepy guy that seems kind of gay in the brigade repeats the same lines a million times smugly. Kyon even calls him on it. Like I get it, they're in a time loop. Stop saying it.
I felt like punching the screen on the last day when he's supposed to procrastinate about homework. He could've changed the way things were going just by inviting Haruhi over to help him complete his homework. She explained she's magically super smart and we know that he doesn't end up doing anything productive on that day because in the first loop episode he just played video games with his sister.
The highlight of that second loop episode was Mikuru calling him on the phone with that silly moe voice. Everything else was blah.
Best character:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/09-2.jpg
These episodes are important. Their repetition is a plot point. I also have to give credit where it is due - the animators could have just reused footage where there was little or no change between both episodes, but instead they have drawn all the scenes again. So, complaining "both episodes are pointless, there's no plot, they're about almost the same thing!" is missing the point. It's like complaining that the very first episode is rubbish because it looks like a poorly made amateur video full of fanservice and plot holes.
Also, SADYUKINEEDSHUG.
Just because you're setting up a plot doesn't mean you should be excused for making two episodes suck. "My stories amazing just get past the first 100 bs pages." My response: "Uh, no. Your story is not great. 100 pages that are painful to read makes your story only average even if the rest is amazing." You don't ignore rating part of something if it's so critical to the story. Each episode should be able to stand on its own. Each episode doesn't have to have its own entirely exclusive continuity. Each episodes just needs some positive points which I felt those two lacked.
kamikasei
2009-06-29, 11:26 AM
Um.
nothingclever, based on your reaction to these episodes I have no idea why you'd be watching them in the first place. Did you enjoy season one at all? I get the impression the entire show rubs you the wrong way.
The latest episode is pretty clearly not the end of that story, so it's a bit premature to complain that the right people didn't do the right things yet. And while Kyon's obliviousness is indeed facepalm-worthy, I expect you're being highly unfair to the author/animators as to the resolution.
(Not to mention: "bah, Haruhi was just being a pushy jerk, and Kyon was being snarky and passive-aggressive about it, and Itsuki was invading his personal space and spouting technobabble, all while random silliness took place in the background..." Er, yeah. In other news, cupcakes are small and covered in frosting (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/9/4/).)
Also, SADYUKINEEDSHUG.
This is the other reason Kyon needs a Bright Slap or something here.
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 11:33 AM
Who cares if the resolution episodes are great? If the episodes preceding them are lousy then they're lousy. If a comedian tells one good joke does that make his entire routine great? These last two episodes were especially bland but they didn't have to be. Kyon could've started acting vastly differently the second time we saw the events being repeated. He could've said "Hey, I think I might just be in a time loop since I've got a time traveler friend and another friend that can transcend space and time. I think I'll attempt to make little alterations to what I think I already did do today in the past." Instead the writers decided to have him go with the flow and do barely anything new besides trying to ask Nagato something before she goes home. Even that scene may have been in the first episode.
Cubey
2009-06-29, 11:41 AM
Naoto?
And it's not that Kyon was sure what he did during the previous iterations. Or that anyone else would realize they're in a time loop any earlier than he did. You're approaching the episode from an all-knowing outsider's POV, instead of the characters'. Also, it's hardly a pressing issue for him to solve. If he doesn't know what to do to break the loop now, he can wait for the next iteration and clues that spring up there.
EDIT: Also, I agree with Kami. You seem to dislike the whole series for one reason or another. Which is okay, but it doesn't give you the right to judge this or that episode as good or not when you dislike them all. So it's not the case of lousy episodes, I won't be surprised if you don't find the resolution satisfying either.
kamikasei
2009-06-29, 11:48 AM
My point about the resolution coming in the next (or, well, knowing Haruhi, a later) episode is that the fact that the characters don't take what might be the best possible actions in this episode is presumably a matter of characterization: when they do figure out what to do, and do that, it'll be part of their development. Personally I found this episode a little dull, but I expect it to be paid off in the next. As to the previous episode, honestly, if you found that to be lousy I'd say the series is simply not your thing.
But hey, we all have our reasons for what we watch. It certainly seems like you're getting something out of the show in your own way.
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 11:50 AM
I meant Nagato. Anyways, I'm not approaching it from the perspective of the all knowing viewer. Kyon is able to predict what Haruhi will say about the two little girls they meet at the swimming pool. He looks like he's able to predict other things as well. And solving the problem did seem to sound pressing to Kyon because Kyon himself was super amazed by the fact that they had repeated the same set of days over a 1000 times. He also seemed very concerned about Yuki Nagato since she had to sit through every loop despite remembering each past one.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-29, 11:51 AM
If you're going to call bad writing on Kyon being passive, oblivious, and generally retarded, you really must not like the show.
That said, they could have done this story in two episodes easily. No idea why they're showing us more than two loops, unless they really are trying to pad out the season (presumably so The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya comes at the natural end). The novel version of the story ends on the 15498th loop, just after the viewer sees the discovery scene.
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 11:53 AM
In the second loop related episode he is extra extra passive, oblivious, and generally retarded which isn't necessary. The worst part of it was that they didn't even reanimate/redraw the Hercules beetle.
Um.
nothingclever, based on your reaction to these episodes I have no idea why you'd be watching them in the first place. Did you enjoy season one at all? I get the impression the entire show rubs you the wrong way.
I wasn't enthralled by it but I generally liked it although the mystery island part felt like it was dragging. I had no problem with the first new episode where Mikuru goes back in time with Kyon. I don't just watch series so I can spew hateful things at them or their fans. I'm not someone that trolls. I simply feel more compelled to post about what I dislike than what I like at times.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-29, 11:58 AM
I wouldn't say so. Supernatural explanations simply do not occur to Kyon at any point. He's also passive enough to assume Haruhi's being self-absorbed rather than wanting to do something for him.
However, re-reading the original version of this story, I am kind of inclined to agree with you. The novel concluded the story on the same loop that the viewer sees everyone make the discovery. For that matter, it only covers one loop in the first place (though I can see doing two for contrast effect and wanting a cheery slice-of-life episode).
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 12:08 PM
The latest episode of Sora wo Kakeru Shoujo reached a camp level of over 9000 and I loved it.
And nothingclever is the poor man's EE. He has some of his finesse when it comes to criticism, but he still has ways to go.
I thought it's nothingclever that is the poor man's closet skeleton. Or is he the poor man's evil elitest? I forgot.
What the hell is this? I'm an individual unique little snowflake just like everyone else. I'm supposed to be clever when I criticize things now? Look at my user name. I'm not aiming to shock and awe anyone. What do I have to do with EE? He can't or simply won't properly type half his words with a built in forum spell checker and he's awful pretentious whenever he debates something. I'm the most humble person you could ever possibly meet.
I'm also a disco queen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=semHEGDEEmM).
Nah. Basically, EE fancied himself as a magnificent bastard, and you once said that you prefer to be called a smug snake. Some people said smug snakes are poor man's magnificent bastard.
Man, I spend too much time stalking you guys and hanging around tvtropes...
Tengu_temp
2009-06-29, 02:01 PM
*Hits Fri with a harisen* Less stalking, more drawing!
Dispozition
2009-06-29, 05:00 PM
The new Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei OVA has some hilarious moments. I've always watched the show for the lulz. I can't take any of the nasty parts even a little seriously. For instance, watching this part made my day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWqJCWOhoJQ (Warning: ruthless loli on loli chair beating)
When that happened I lol'd...Paused, rewound, and lol'd again. That scene made my day too :P
Lord of Rapture
2009-06-29, 07:03 PM
I just realized something about where I live.
You think I have strange tastes, the place I live is basically like the anti-GITP forums:
Everybody hates MGLN and G Gundam. Everybody.
Nobody has ever heard of TTGL. When I showed my friend the last episode, he said he was unimpressed and wondered why I was wasting his time.
Nobody has ever heard of Higurashi either.
People think Berserk is nothing but gore and sex.
Nobody likes Super Robot Wars. Even the Gundam fans.
Valkyria Chronicles is regarded as trash.
The only JRPGs that are known are the Final Fantasy Series.
Once I showed some of my friends Shinji and WH40K. They loathed it, and said that only retards could possibly like the series. (No, I am not making this up.)
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 07:05 PM
I just realized something about where I live.
You think I have strange tastes, the place I live is basically like the anti-GITP forums:
Everybody hates MGLN and G Gundam. Everybody.
Nobody has ever heard of TTGL. When I showed my friend the last episode, he said he was unimpressed and wondered why I was wasting his time.
Nobody has ever heard of Higurashi either.
People think Berserk is nothing but gore and sex.
Nobody likes Super Robot Wars. Even the Gundam fans.
Valkyria Chronicles is regarded as trash.
The only JRPGs that are known are the Final Fantasy Series.
Once I showed some of my friends Shinji and WH40K. They loathed it, and said that only retards could possibly like the series. (No, I am not making this up.)
...do they know or like any anime? At all?
Lord of Rapture
2009-06-29, 07:09 PM
...do they know or like any anime? At all?
Yes. They all love Gundam. And Toudou. And they like Lucky Star and Haruhi, for the most part. One person is a big fan of the Nasuverse and of Clannad.
It's just they don't like the campy or lighthearted stuff very much.
Poison_Fish
2009-06-29, 07:17 PM
Do they like falco only, no items, final destination?
I don't know why, but that's the image I get. Even though it has little to do with what's being discussed.
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 07:23 PM
Do they like falco only, no items, final destination?
I don't know why, but that's the image I get. Even though it has little to do with what's being discussed.
I completely know what you mean.
SRS BUSINESS GAIZ
Lord of Rapture
2009-06-29, 07:25 PM
LOL:smallbiggrin:
To them, Gundam is not just a series, it is something sacred. And G Gundam, for being unlike the majority of the series, and for being silly instead of serious, is nothing short of blasphemy.
EDIT: Yay! The genderbent chapters finally got an update.
If you'll excuse me, I have to read about the adventures of Kyon-ko right now.
Tengu_temp
2009-06-29, 07:31 PM
LoR, do you live in a live action version of /a/?
Kris Strife
2009-06-29, 07:36 PM
LOL:smallbiggrin:
To them, Gundam is not just a series, it is something sacred. And G Gundam, for being unlike the majority of the series, and for being silly instead of serious, is nothing short of blasphemy.
Lies. G-Gundam is the best Gundam series they've put out yet. :smalltongue: I love the campy, cheesy, over the top dialouge and action. I also enjoy the lack of preachy-ness involved.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-29, 07:44 PM
Oh, there was preachiness, you just have to get to near the end of the series to get it, and unlike some Gundam shows (even good ones like 08th MS Team) it's not the whole point of the show.
Kris Strife
2009-06-29, 07:46 PM
Oh, there was preachiness, you just have to get to near the end of the series to get it, and unlike some Gundam shows (even good ones like 08th MS Team) it's not the whole point of the show.
Yeah, but its a different kind of preachiness. Most shows preach about how humanity is destroying nature, G-Gundam says humanity is a part of nature. I don't think any show has done that before.
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 07:49 PM
I know I could probably find lots of anime fans like the ones LoR speaks of, but I rarely associate with those sorts of people. Taking everything too seriously is no fun at all.
Innis Cabal
2009-06-29, 08:06 PM
I know I could probably find lots of anime fans like the ones LoR speaks of, but I rarely associate with those sorts of people. Taking everything too seriously is no fun at all.
Ya...like not associating with people over what they like to watch.
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 08:47 PM
Ya...like not associating with people over what they like to watch.
It's the condescending attitude that I'm getting an impression of.
I know it's a bit sudden to judge, of course, without meeting them, but I come from GaiaOnline. I know the type.
nothingclever
2009-06-29, 11:47 PM
GaiaOnline
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/code_geass_14-1.png
UltraDude
2009-06-29, 11:49 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/code_geass_14-1.png
I was young and impressionable!
And now jaded and bitter because of it.
Lord of Rapture
2009-06-30, 01:15 AM
I was young and impressionable!
And now jaded and bitter because of it.
What's wrong with Gaia Online?
I've never been there, so I don't know why it's so horrible.
And what is /a/ anyway?
JeminiZero
2009-06-30, 02:08 AM
And what is /a/ anyway?
A wretched hive of scum and villainy.
More precisely, its the anime discussion board(s) of the Anonymous Legion.
Drascin
2009-06-30, 03:29 AM
Yes. They all love Gundam. And Toudou. And they like Lucky Star and Haruhi, for the most part. One person is a big fan of the Nasuverse and of Clannad.
It's just they don't like the campy or lighthearted stuff very much.
Wait. They don't like lighthearted stuff, but they like Lucky Star? :smallconfused: And was that Toudou meant to say Touhou, aka, the almost-overwhelmingly lighthearted fairytale setting where demons and gods have tea at five o'clock while exchanging pleasantries? Picture me thoroughly confused.
That said, I can understand your pain. I live in a place where every anime which doesn't have at least one fight every three-four episodes is called boring, sucky and without merit.
Prime32
2009-06-30, 06:34 AM
I'm guessing someone told them "X show sucks because it is silly" and they forgot to check whether they liked silly things already.
*Hits Fri with a harisen* Less stalking, more drawing!
Hey! Pandering to my fetishistic tendency won't help you, Tengu! Alright, maybe a little.
UltraDude
2009-06-30, 07:03 AM
What's wrong with Gaia Online?
I've never been there, so I don't know why it's so horrible.
And what is /a/ anyway?
Gaia is mostly teenagers; a lot of them anime fans. While you can't really blame the less intelligent ones generally, a lot of the 'smart' ones are as bad as /a/.
Furthermore, it's a good place to go for insanely overzealous fanboy/girlism of anything 'deep' that isn't really that much.
Tengu_temp
2009-06-30, 07:04 AM
Hey! Pandering to my fetishistic tendency won't help you, Tengu! Alright, maybe a little.
So you have a fetish for guys smacking you with a harisen?
http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/181/8/3/Tsundere_Roscharch_by_Fri_Freeman.jpg
You're saying something?
edit: No, I'm not saying I have a fetish for guys dressing as roscharch smacking me with a harisen.
JeminiZero
2009-06-30, 09:08 AM
edit: No, I'm not saying I have a fetish for guys dressing as roscharch smacking me with a harisen.
Indeed. Its clearly a fetish for Roscharch himself wearing a Chidori schoolgirl uniform and smacking you with a Harisen.
Wait, that makes even less sense.
UltraDude
2009-06-30, 09:10 AM
Indeed. Its clearly a fetish for Roscharch himself wearing a Chidori schoolgirl uniform and smacking you with a Harisen.
Wait, that makes even less sense.
This is becoming an incredibly specific fetish.
nothingclever
2009-06-30, 09:17 AM
fetish
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/tsukasamoevv0oa3.jpg
JeminiZero
2009-06-30, 09:23 AM
This is becoming an incredibly specific fetish.
Don't look at me, I didn't draw the picture.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-30, 10:37 AM
This thread went to a weird place...
Drascin
2009-06-30, 10:51 AM
This thread went to a weird place...
What do you mean "went"? :smallamused:
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-30, 10:56 AM
As long as we're talking about oddly specific fetishes...
Miniaturized Giantess MILF fighter pilot authority figure in a business suit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOTs7upELwg)
May have linked this a thread ago on a different topic, actually.
Artemician
2009-06-30, 11:09 AM
As long as we're talking about oddly specific fetishes...
Miniaturized Giantess MILF fighter pilot authority figure in a business suit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOTs7upELwg)
May have linked this a thread ago on a different topic, actually.
Many people happen to think Barack Obama is sexy :D
nothingclever
2009-06-30, 11:25 AM
This thread went to a weird place...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/guu.jpg
What ever do you mean?
Closet_Skeleton
2009-06-30, 06:00 PM
I'm too tired.
It appears this thread has jumped two pages without anything actually being said.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-06-30, 07:08 PM
I linked a fun video!
And I made a... crossover... fan art.
Shades of Gray
2009-06-30, 10:42 PM
And I made a... crossover... fan art.
Pun intended?
hanzo66
2009-07-01, 12:03 AM
I've known one of those Serious Business guys who prefers shows of Xanatos Gambits ahoy. He rather enjoyed Code Geass and does not buy into the Narm and Ho Yay involved. I tried showing him some stuff on Gurren Lagann and he responds in revulsion, with the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann being the dumbest thing he's ever seen. He does enjoy Hellsing from what I know.
Might be a matter of taste since the guy for now isn't really as big into Anime (only having heard of a few shows).
Artemician
2009-07-01, 02:54 AM
I've known one of those Serious Business guys who prefers shows of Xanatos Gambits ahoy. He rather enjoyed Code Geass and does not buy into the Narm and Ho Yay involved. I tried showing him some stuff on Gurren Lagann and he responds in revulsion, with the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann being the dumbest thing he's ever seen. He does enjoy Hellsing from what I know.
Hellsing is pretty much camp and extremely stylized violence for the most part - any fan of Hellsing should probably love Gurren Lagann.
Unless you meant the TV series. Which didn't exist, by the way, that was a different show.
Cubey
2009-07-01, 08:16 AM
Loves Hellsing. Hates TTGL. Both have lots of camp and stylisation, but there is one fundamental difference. Computing...
Warning! GRIMDARK fanboy alert!
He'll probably become. if he's not already, a loyal WH40k fan. One of those who treat the universe seriously. Probably an Imperial Guard player.
Rogue 7
2009-07-01, 08:50 AM
I don't think a lot of Guard players take things too seriously. Maybe Chaos, and a min-maxer at that.
Cubey
2009-07-01, 09:04 AM
From my experience, IG has the most SRS BSNS players. Chaos, not so much, unless we're talking Tzeentch - other gods are simply too over the top to take seriously. Note that I do not talk about tactics and army composition, but rather taking the game's world at face value, as a serious, grim and brutal place, instead of seeing it as over-the-top and hilarious (while still grim and brutal).
I guess it's a discussion for another thread though.
Poison_Fish
2009-07-01, 01:18 PM
I'm an IG player.... <_<. I am nowhere close to the grimdark seriousness of most 40k players.
nothingclever
2009-07-01, 01:23 PM
I hate Hellsing and Gurren Lagann. Hellsing just feels stupid after a while because you get tired of seeing Alucard shoot the hell out of something, get eviscerated, laugh and then reassemble and beat everything easily.
Gurenn Lagann sucked after a while because of the ever expanding cast and lame stuff like Simon becoming a huge emo. Oh and "buy our dvds to find out what you missed lulz" stuff. Plus the whole gar thing gets old. I've seen plenty of shows that were cleverly/creatively over the top. This wasn't one of them. I'll take my G Gundam shining double erupting burning whatever finger over the drills anyday. Yoko was a disgusting face palm inducing character too since she's walking fan service that's supposed to be 14 or something.
The best thing that came out of Gurren Lagann was the "row row fight da powa" 4chan flood.
Rozen Maiden is far superior to both shows. Little dolls fighting epic battles against each other and beating up their master while using his life force as energy is classic. Inspector Kun Kun-kun is simply a godly character.
Cubey
2009-07-01, 01:43 PM
@TTGL: Your opinion, but I feel the need to correct something. Yoko is 14 in underground-years. It's confirmed by the creators that after living for so long without seeing the Sun, the human race's perception of years is plain wrong and each year lasts longer than 365 days. Therefore she's older by modern calculations, and Kamina isn't 17 (or how old he was supposed to be) either. But how old exactly? That's not answered.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-01, 01:49 PM
i.e. Gainax realized that they'd screwed up and decided not to just use "Spiral Power" as an excuse.
Also Simon being an "emo" lasts for like two episodes. Tell me you didn't stop watching at that part. And "buy our DVDs to find out what you missed lulz"? When did that happen? Other than the hot springs episode where they put the nudity back in for the DVD release.
nothingclever
2009-07-01, 01:50 PM
The age thing is still silly and she was still a blantant t&a insert. My neapolitan mastiff is adorable. She's trying to eat me while I type.
Poison_Fish
2009-07-01, 01:57 PM
Also, if you've watched enough super robot and robot shows, you'd notice that TTGL is a deconstruction of pretty much each generation of super robot shows. It's full of homages and other such things.
That's actually a reason I wouldn't show it as an introductory type of anime or mecha stuff to friends. You have to ween them in to the genre, with things like Eureka Seven or some of the Gundams out there. Or I suppose the fabulous Code Geass.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-01, 06:16 PM
Eh, the first season of Code Geass had deconstruction of the genre as well. Suzaku is Boring Invincible Hero on the villain's side due to his idealistic beliefs, and the main protagonist is a Char-type character leading a group of freedom fighters... dressed in black. Nina is what could happen to a person who's not in complete control of her feelings, etc.
Actually, I thought TTGL was a reconstruction of the genre more than anything else, in response to NGE.
^@Cubey: Can't I see it as over-the-top awesome because it's so grim and brutal?
Kris Strife
2009-07-01, 06:52 PM
Um... Being depressed because your best friend and brother just died, when if you hadn't been feeling unhappy cause they girl you were crushing on liked him better, you could have prevented his death does not an emo make...
Now, if Kamina had survived and Simone acted like that because Yoko liked Kamina more, that would be emo.
Also, the cast doesn't really get any bigger than Kamina, Simone, the Litner village people, Rossiu, the two kids, the Black Siblings, Viral, the four Generals and Lord Genome... Thats really about it aside from nameless background characters (though there's a ton of those. :p)
nothingclever
2009-07-01, 07:09 PM
Also, the cast doesn't really get any bigger than Kamina, Simone, the Litner village people, Rossiu, the two kids, the Black Siblings, Viral, the four Generals and Lord Genome... Thats really about it aside from nameless background characters (though there's a ton of those. :p)
Thanks for the sarcastic support there.
I don't really mind the series I just can't sit through all of it and there's plenty of other shows that do a more thoughtful job of reconstructing/deconstructing/poking fun at mech shows. I get tired of drills piercing the heavens and ridiculous combat after a while. I'd like some other forms of comedy.
Kris Strife
2009-07-01, 07:35 PM
Thanks for the sarcastic support there.
I don't really mind the series I just can't sit through all of it and there's plenty of other shows that do a more thoughtful job of reconstructing/deconstructing/poking fun at mech shows. I get tired of drills piercing the heavens and ridiculous combat after a while. I'd like some other forms of comedy.
Sarcastic Support? There was no sarcasm in that. O.o That was an entirely sincere post. I just don't think that the show has a particularly big cast. Not compared to an average sitcom, which usually has about 8 reocurring characters at most, though thats something else altogether.
And crazy over the top combat and characters are half the show's charm! The other half being actually a pretty darn good plot.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-01, 08:03 PM
Sarcastic Support? There was no sarcasm in that. O.o That was an entirely sincere post. I just don't think that the show has a particularly big cast. Not compared to an average sitcom, which usually has about 8 reocurring characters at most, though thats something else altogether.
And crazy over the top combat and characters are half the show's charm! The other half being actually a pretty darn good plot.
To me, all of it is actually pretty "meh" to me, because it's so over-the-top it becomes too campy and silly to take any of the emotional parts seriously. Or any of the plot, for that matter.
UltraDude
2009-07-01, 08:22 PM
TTGL comes down to preferred levels of camp and silliness.
Which means that I love it, of course XP
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-01, 09:04 PM
It's not that I can't take camp and silliness. Battle Moon Wars is nothing but silly, and I love it. Megas XLR is very silly and camp, and it's one of the best things that western animation ever produced.
For me, it's that TTGL tries to fit serious and emotional stuff into all the camp and silly, and it all comes out a big mess.
UltraDude
2009-07-01, 09:09 PM
It's not that I can't take camp and silliness. Battle Moon Wars is nothing but silly, and I love it. Megas XLR is very silly and camp, and it's one of the best things that western animation ever produced.
For me, it's that TTGL tries to fit serious and emotional stuff into all the camp and silly, and it all comes out a big mess.
Ah, I see. Yes, it can be a bit... messy at times, though I usually found the serious and emotional stuff more than enough so even when it sat alongside the camp. Generally good writing seemed to cover a lot of otherwise odd moments.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-01, 09:35 PM
Ah, I see. Yes, it can be a bit... messy at times, though I usually found the serious and emotional stuff more than enough so even when it sat alongside the camp. Generally good writing seemed to cover a lot of otherwise odd moments.
Pfff. The plot writers were all phoning it in while the animators and action scene writers were doing all the work. The plot was nothing but an excuse to show the cheesy, stupid mecha action.
Megas XLR is much better, because it knows that you can't possibly try to have serious, emotional stuff in your over-the-top mecha action show without looking like an idiot.
UltraDude
2009-07-01, 09:40 PM
As it seems we've come to an impasse, I'll just say this:
Hell yes, Vizards are here!
KnightDisciple
2009-07-01, 09:44 PM
As it seems we've come to an impasse, I'll just say this:
Hell yes, Vizards are here!
I saw that page, and the first thing in my mind was the song "We Need a Hero".
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-01, 11:52 PM
Megas XLR is much better, because it knows that you can't possibly try to have serious, emotional stuff in your over-the-top mecha action show without looking like an idiot.I reject your reality, and subsitute my own.
Basically, that's a matter of opinion that I happen to disagree with. I liked TTGL, both the over-the-top silly and the emotional parts (especially those of the last arc, as opposed to the earlier ones).
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-02, 01:50 AM
In my view, Code Geass season 1 successfully pulled having both silly and serious stuff in a mecha show. It was one of the first animes I watched, and by god, it was good stuff. It had flaws, sure, but it was solid. TTGL was just too flamboyant and campy for its own good.
hanzo66
2009-07-02, 01:52 AM
Loves Hellsing. Hates TTGL. Both have lots of camp and stylisation, but there is one fundamental difference. Computing...
Warning! GRIMDARK fanboy alert!
He'll probably become. if he's not already, a loyal WH40k fan. One of those who treat the universe seriously. Probably an Imperial Guard player.
He knows Warhammer 40,000 but doesn't care much for it actually. He probably just doesn't like the overexaggerated stuff.
Artemician
2009-07-02, 02:17 AM
Rozen Maiden is far superior to both shows. Little dolls fighting epic battles against each other and beating up their master while using his life force as energy is classic. Inspector Kun Kun-kun is simply a godly character.
The ending left me utterly speechless from "manwhat" feeling.
Just what was the point of the "Oh noes they went away then they come back"?
It didn't help that the setting seems to be ripped straight from a Type-Moon work (aka incoherent and made-up-as-they-went-along)
Pfff. The plot writers were all phoning it in while the animators and action scene writers were doing all the work. The plot was nothing but an excuse to show the cheesy, stupid mecha action.
Megas XLR is much better, because it knows that you can't possibly try to have serious, emotional stuff in your over-the-top mecha action show without looking like an idiot.
I'll cite the first few episodes after timeskip as a counter-example. Of course, they shot everything down the drain for the last few eps, but before that... the sequence where Simon gets attacked in jail definitely had drama potential (I say potential because they bunged that up), and the evacuation of the city was handled superbly. Kittan <3
Do you have what it takes to be a minion? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116998)
My MAID game is recruiting. Just saying, since some people (at least artemician) asked to be notified when it's on.
nothingclever
2009-07-02, 10:48 AM
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52BK9_H84Qo) beats Gurren Lagann any day.
Neko Toast
2009-07-02, 11:06 AM
In my view, Code Geass season 1 successfully pulled having both silly and serious stuff in a mecha show. It was one of the first animes I watched, and by god, it was good stuff. It had flaws, sure, but it was solid. TTGL was just too flamboyant and campy for its own good.
Eh, camp isn't necessarily for everyone. Personally, I love the campiness of TTGL. Besides, it doesn't even come close to the camp value of 1960's Batman.
To veer away from that topic, I watched Eden of the East a couple days ago. Your opinions? I thought it was good. It certainly has an addicting opening song, as I've been plugging it for a while now.
KnightDisciple
2009-07-02, 12:06 PM
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52BK9_H84Qo) beats Gurren Lagann any day.
....In your opinion, perhaps.
Not in mine.
Cubey
2009-07-02, 12:24 PM
To veer away from that topic, I watched Eden of the East a couple days ago. Your opinions? I thought it was good. It certainly has an addicting opening song, as I've been plugging it for a while now.
Johnny! Johnny!
Great show. Audiovisuals are top notch, the plot is interesting and the characters are interesting and quirky. I like its moral too.
Closet_Skeleton
2009-07-02, 12:29 PM
To veer away from that topic, I watched Eden of the East a couple days ago. Your opinions? I thought it was good. It certainly has an addicting opening song, as I've been plugging it for a while now.
The ending felt a bit Gainax, if you want to speak tvtropish. There are apparently two movies planned so it felt a bit like an eleven episode movie advertisment.
Apart from that is was reasonably fun.
Kukuu...
I stumbled upon Kamen no Maid Guy when skimming through TV tropes and kinda had to start watching it with all the great... er, humor in it, I have to say I was not dissappointed at all. Sure, it was all abut the size of Naeka's boobs but they were able to fill 12 enlightening episodes with it. Did someone else watch it? Has someone read the manga? Are there going to be more episode of it???
Artemician
2009-07-03, 05:55 AM
Kukuu...
I stumbled upon Kamen no Maid Guy when skimming through TV tropes and kinda had to start watching it with all the great... er, humor in it, I have to say I was not dissappointed at all. Sure, it was all abut the size of Naeka's boobs but they were able to fill 12 enlightening episodes with it. Did someone else watch it? Has someone read the manga? Are there going to be more episode of it???
I did watch 5 episode, but real life interfered, I stopped watching, and now I have better things to watch.
Kogarashi is all kinds of win, but the jokes kinda fall flat after a while. It's not a bad show by any means, but nothing above average either.
Tengu_temp
2009-07-03, 07:32 AM
Okay, latest Haruhi? What a ripoff.
It was basically the same as the last episode, only with people wearing different clothes. No new plot elements, no new jokes (apart from Kyon referencing Keroro Gunsou at one point, but that's not enough!), no new cute or funny scenes, no new hints on what is causing the timeloop. This episode could as well not be there and we wouldn't miss anything.
Kris Strife
2009-07-03, 08:06 AM
Okay, latest Haruhi? What a ripoff.
It was basically the same as the last episode, only with people wearing different clothes. No new plot elements, no new jokes (apart from Kyon referencing Keroro Gunsou at one point, but that's not enough!), no new cute or funny scenes, no new hints on what is causing the timeloop. This episode could as well not be there and we wouldn't miss anything.
Wait is this basically Groundhog Day the Anime Series?
Eh, glad I never bothered with it...
Also, what exactly does a Gainax Ending mean? The only Gainax show with an overarching plot, that I've seen all the episodes to, was TTGL.
Prime32
2009-07-03, 08:08 AM
Wait is this basically Groundhog Day the Anime Series?
Eh, glad I never bothered with it...
No, just the current "Endless Eight" storyline.
Also, what exactly does a Gainax Ending mean? The only Gainax show with an overarching plot, that I've seen all the episodes to, was TTGL.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GainaxEnding
Tengu_temp
2009-07-03, 08:43 AM
Wait is this basically Groundhog Day the Anime Series?
Eh, glad I never bothered with it...
No, just the latest three episodes (and that mini-arc will probably end with the fourth one). Way to jump to conclusions, pal.
kamikasei
2009-07-03, 08:46 AM
Wait, this time loop thing is going to stretch to a fourth episode? Given what Nerdo said about how it was handled in the novels, that seems truly excessive.
UltraDude
2009-07-03, 09:00 AM
Wait is this basically Groundhog Day the Anime Series?
Eh, glad I never bothered with it...
Also, what exactly does a Gainax Ending mean? The only Gainax show with an overarching plot, that I've seen all the episodes to, was TTGL.
No, just now when you watch it someday *hinthint* you know which episodes to skip! These ones.
I'd suggest Evangelion too. Sure, it's got... issues, but it really is a classic.
Kris Strife
2009-07-03, 09:07 AM
No, just the latest three episodes (and that mini-arc will probably end with the fourth one). Way to jump to conclusions, pal.
When 100% of your data, gathered over a couple of weeks gives you the same impression, I don't know if thats jumping to conclusions, so much as extrapolating.
UltraDude, I tried watching NGE, got tired of it for much the same reason as I did Eureka 7: Too much drama between the human cast, not enough giant robot violence. If I'm watching a show that is about mecha, I don't want to watch the characters talk about their feelings or complain that their combat suits make them look fat, I want to see stuff get wrecked.
UltraDude
2009-07-03, 09:18 AM
When 100% of your data, gathered over a couple of weeks gives you the same impression, I don't know if thats jumping to conclusions, so much as extrapolating.
UltraDude, I tried watching NGE, got tired of it for much the same reason as I did Eureka 7: Too much drama between the human cast, not enough giant robot violence. If I'm watching a show that is about mecha, I don't want to watch the characters talk about their feelings or complain that their combat suits make them look fat, I want to see stuff get wrecked.
Well, it's hard to say that NGE is about mecha, or even really about giant bio-weapon sins against all that is good in the universe. It's a show about characters dealing with some pretty serious psychological issues, usually in all the wrong ways, and should be approached as such. A few episodes aside, of course, because synchronized dancing beatdown is just Gainax being crazy again.
E7 should be approached in much the same way - it's more of a fairytale with romance that just happens to have mecha. It's almost a waste of such cool concepts and designs, but the actiony episodes do a good job of showing off some creative action.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-03, 10:49 AM
When 100% of your data, gathered over a couple of weeks gives you the same impression, I don't know if thats jumping to conclusions, so much as extrapolating.It's an insufficient data sample. Even one extra sample would render your conclusions erroneous, after all.
Still, in all seriousness, I'm going to point at this sequence and engage in cries of FILLEEEEER! now. Wake me up when we get the The Melancholy of Yuki Nagato.
Also, as for Gainax anime
None of their giant robot shows are actually about giant robots. No, not even TTGL.
KnightDisciple
2009-07-03, 11:11 AM
I'll just leave this here. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/evangelion10/)
kamikasei
2009-07-03, 11:23 AM
Huh. Nice that it's getting a theatrical release, but damn, that dub underwhelms me.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-03, 11:34 AM
Huh. Nice that it's getting a theatrical release, but damn, that dub underwhelms me.Remember the original one?
Fortunately, Allison Keith is back and she's the only one I can unequivocally say I liked.
Neko Toast
2009-07-03, 11:43 AM
Hm. I might actually go see it, since it seems to condense the main plot of the show into the size of the movie. I've always kinda wanted to watch Evangelion, but not dedicate myself to watching all of the episodes.
kamikasei
2009-07-03, 11:53 AM
Slayer_Draco, it covers about the first third of the show, though it makes some changes including bringing certain revelations forward so the hidden motivation behind some stuff is covered earlier. The subsequent movies (there are to be four in total) are supposed to diverge further. So while this volume isn't bad, and the new series as a whole may end up being great, it's not quite going to give you the real experience of the show.
Remember the original one?
Nope, because I didn't watch it for more than a minute or two. I dislike most dubs pretty viscerally, I'm not sure why. And in fact, Misato's voice was one that particularly bothered me in that trailer.
Neko Toast
2009-07-03, 11:57 AM
@kamikasei: Well, one of my biggest problems of watching anime is how many episodes they have. These days I mainly watch things of the 12 episode variety (Higashi no East, now working on Elfen Lied). It has to be really good in order for me to watch a longer series. FMA happened to be one of those series back when I was in high school (I'm finding the new one to be better, and my love for the old one has declined).
Edit: Yeah, I know 26 episodes really isn't that long, but meh. Some series that I've been watching that are around that length I find I can't finish because I grow bored of it.
But I digress. What I will do is go and see this movie. If I find that I really enjoy it, I'll go and watch the series. If not, well then no dice.
Poison_Fish
2009-07-03, 01:43 PM
complain that their combat suits make them look fat
Hey, HEY!! Dom's hips are sexy, don't insult them!
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-03, 01:43 PM
Nope, because I didn't watch it for more than a minute or two. I dislike most dubs pretty viscerally, I'm not sure why. And in fact, Misato's voice was one that particularly bothered me in that trailer.
http://image.hotdog.hu/_data/members3/759/153759/images/fmp/fmp_mao067.jpg
...
*DUBMAOPUNCH!*
Thrawn183
2009-07-03, 02:16 PM
So I'm thinking about watching Eureka 7, got anything to keep in mind in terms of plot points that are hard to keep track of or themes that are meaningful that I might not pick up on automatically?
Kris Strife
2009-07-03, 02:24 PM
Hey, HEY!! Dom's hips are sexy, don't insult them!
I'm not. The red-head in NGE once spent like half an episode whining because she needed a special suit for something and it made her look fat.
Also, I know TTGL isn't about giant mecha. Its about making the single most ridiculous over the top, exciting show about kicking logic not only to the curb, but in the middle of the road, and half way down the block. Also: manliness, drills, crazy, shapeshifting glasses/goggles, transforming pig moles, doing the impossible and never turning your back on a fight.and then not being able to save the person you're closest to... unless you die...
Though if you want to go for just insanity in its purest form, watch Puni Puni Poemi. Its what the Excel Saga people do when they're told to just go nuts.
Cubey
2009-07-03, 04:17 PM
It was more like a single scene. Also, since it was inflatable (don't ask me, it makes sense in context), it would make ANYONE look fat. And it was played for comedy rather than angst. Even NGE isn't that emo.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-03, 04:41 PM
Yeah. The middle act of NGE (pretty much from where Asuka shows up to where Shinji takes a drug trip inside an Angel) is actually mostly upbeat comedy.
And my point with TTGL was that it was actually about a kid growing up. That's what every single one of Gainax's original anime are about - various people growing up (or not) in various ways.
Closet_Skeleton
2009-07-03, 06:15 PM
Finally watched the third new Haruhi episode:
This episode was basically the last episode except there was more fanservice and ho-yay (which is a variety of fanservice if you're a faghag). So if this groundhog day scenario continues Kyon and Koizumi will get snog and Mikuru will permanantly lose her shirt.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-03, 06:30 PM
More HoYay than the second episode? Really? I guess this really is a KyoAni show then.
Mirrinus
2009-07-03, 06:31 PM
The more I think I about it, the more I'm enjoying what Kyoto Animation is doing with this story. A normal author will tell you how a character feels. A good author will show you how a character feels. But is KyoAni trying to make you, the viewers, feel how the character feels?
Are you angry? Frustrated? Upset at this farcical repetition? Do you just wish this Endless Eight would end already? Congratulations. You now understand a fraction of what Yuki has been through thus far. Keep that in mind.
Dispozition
2009-07-03, 06:55 PM
The more I think I about it, the more I'm enjoying what Kyoto Animation is doing with this story. A normal author will tell you how a character feels. A good author will show you how a character feels. But is KyoAni trying to make you, the viewers, feel how the character feels?
Are you angry? Frustrated? Upset at this farcical repetition? Do you just wish this Endless Eight would end already? Congratulations. You now understand a fraction of what Yuki has been through thus far. Keep that in mind.
A strange way to present it, but true...
Also, might want to read the rules, animated avatars aren't allowed.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-03, 06:56 PM
That's one of those things that just makes me think "neat, now GET ON WITH IT!"
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-03, 08:15 PM
All this anger about the new season makes me glad I stopped following it.
Now I have more time to spend with my Firestorm Over Kronus mod for Dark Crusade. The awesomeness of the tabletop version, translated to real-time strategy! What more could I want from life?
Cubey
2009-07-03, 08:47 PM
I never thought I'd say this about Haruhi, but this week's episode... it's okay you skipped it, you missed nothing.
That is all.
Artemician
2009-07-03, 10:54 PM
I never thought I'd say this about Haruhi, but this week's episode... it's okay you skipped it, you missed nothing.
That is all.
I'm going to wait until it's finished then marathon it. Watching stuff week by week never does anything for me.
Dispozition
2009-07-03, 11:10 PM
I'm going to wait until it's finished then marathon it. Watching stuff week by week never does anything for me.
Yeah, it does seems like animes are better when marathoned...Not really sure why though :<
Hell yes, Vizards are here!
I'm a Bleach fan, I don't post often, but my reply to something from a few pages ago is this.
Did they crawl to this battle? Did they go out for a bite to eat? What took them so long (I know the plot itself had plot armor to stop them from arriving). But I did expect them sooner. Seriously, a lot sooner.
Didn't expect Wonderweiss to be that strong, no matter how childlike he is, I feel bad for Shunsui and Ukitake (especially the latter)
13_CBS
2009-07-04, 01:59 AM
Didn't expect Wonderweiss to be that strong, no matter how childlike he is, I feel bad for Shunsui and Ukitake (especially the latter)
He's the Cloud Cuckoo Lander. Of course he's going to be strong.
Drascin
2009-07-04, 02:09 AM
As for Haruhi, since this is a loop, I think I'm not going to watch the newest episodes until the loop's finished, and then watch all of them in succession for an enhanced experience. So thanks everyone for using spoilers :smallbiggrin:.
Now I have more time to spend with my Firestorm Over Kronus mod for Dark Crusade. The awesomeness of the tabletop version, translated to real-time strategy! What more could I want from life?
Non-sucky Tau :smalltongue:. Tau suck in tabletop, so of course they also suck in Firestorm, which is almost perfectly loyal to tabletop, but still, it's a pity, I enjoyed playing the Tau in Dark Crusade. Had to go back to mainly playing Eldar when I installed it (because I'll eat my shoes before I play Marines or Necrons, so it was mostly IG or Eldar).
Innis Cabal
2009-07-04, 02:11 AM
He's the Cloud Cuckoo Lander. Of course he's going to be strong.
He is also probably a Vasto Lorde. Well was.
13_CBS
2009-07-04, 02:13 AM
He is also probably a Vasto Lorde. Well was.
Now that I remember, Wonderweiss' immense power was already hinted at, way back when he took a swing at, uh, the Dude With The Hat (I forget his name).
LurkerInPlayground
2009-07-04, 02:27 AM
Four. Four episodes of this insufferable Endless Eight story. You have two episodes of content. Tops.
But now you know how Yuki feels. Uhh. No. It's a sloppy adaptation.
Mirrinus
2009-07-04, 02:53 AM
Eh, I don't really think it's a waste of time.
How Yuki feels about this is actually an important plot point for later.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-04, 04:13 AM
Non-sucky Tau :smalltongue:. Tau suck in tabletop, so of course they also suck in Firestorm, which is almost perfectly loyal to tabletop, but still, it's a pity, I enjoyed playing the Tau in Dark Crusade. Had to go back to mainly playing Eldar when I installed it (because I'll eat my shoes before I play Marines or Necrons, so it was mostly IG or Eldar).
How the hell did you play? Tau is basically fiery, plasma-firing death to my enemies. Eldar are the ones that suck, both DC and Firestorm. Goddamn, they're more fragile than a hamster in a punching bag filled with broken glass.
But then, Chaos is where it's at anyway. DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR! DEATH TO THE WEAKLING IMPERIUM OF MAN!
Closet_Skeleton
2009-07-04, 04:39 AM
Now that I remember, Wonderweiss' immense power was already hinted at, way back when he took a swing at, uh, the Dude With The Hat (I forget his name).
Yeah, I was dead sure he was a Vaste Lord the moment they showed Aizen creating him (saying stuff you guessed a year ago isn't a spoiler!).
Drascin
2009-07-04, 07:56 AM
How the hell did you play? Tau is basically fiery, plasma-firing death to my enemies. Eldar are the ones that suck, both DC and Firestorm. Goddamn, they're more fragile than a hamster in a punching bag filled with broken glass.
I made a couple tries. Twenty five Firewarriors versus eight marines. The marines won. Had like three casualties. So, you know, just like in the tabletop :smalltongue: (it's almost a meme at my group that firewarriors can't hit anything smaller than a Bloodthirster, after a particularly infamous shooting phase where thirty Firewarriors - ten of which were rapid firing - managed 4 hits total, causing only one wound. Against Imperial Guard). So I went with Eldar. At least their basic unit also sucks but is fast enough to capture the points.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-04, 08:55 AM
I made a couple tries. Twenty five Firewarriors versus eight marines. The marines won. Had like three casualties. So, you know, just like in the tabletop :smalltongue: (it's almost a meme at my group that firewarriors can't hit anything smaller than a Bloodthirster, after a particularly infamous shooting phase where thirty Firewarriors - ten of which were rapid firing - managed 4 hits total, causing only one wound. Against Imperial Guard). So I went with Eldar. At least their basic unit also sucks but is fast enough to capture the points.
I let Tau play against Eldar in AI mode.
Tau always wins. Always. They even give my forces which I prepared throughout the entire game without getting into a lot of fights and always upgrading a lot of trouble.
And how the hell did 25 firewarriors lose to 8 space marines? One squad is enough to kill 10 space marines when I'm playing against them.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-04, 09:15 AM
Eh, I don't really think it's a waste of time.
How Yuki feels about this is actually an important plot point for later.This explanation strikes me as putting cleverness and art above actual entertainment value.
Television is art, sure, but if the art doesn't also happen to entertain me, I'm going to bitch about it.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-04, 09:29 AM
This explanation strikes me as putting cleverness and art above actual entertainment value.
Television is art, sure, but if the art doesn't also happen to entertain me, I'm going to bitch about it.
Exactly. If art doesn't entertain, it completely fails at its purpose.
KnightDisciple
2009-07-04, 10:21 AM
I'm a Bleach fan, I don't post often, but my reply to something from a few pages ago is this.
Did they crawl to this battle? Did they go out for a bite to eat? What took them so long (I know the plot itself had plot armor to stop them from arriving). But I did expect them sooner. Seriously, a lot sooner.
Didn't expect Wonderweiss to be that strong, no matter how childlike he is, I feel bad for Shunsui and Ukitake (especially the latter)
My thought, and a theory I've seen elsewhere: Their warehouse was in the real world, not Fake Karakura. There's some sort of effect that makes that transition difficult.
That, or they're all ***** who liked watching Shinis get their rears kicked.
nothingclever
2009-07-04, 10:33 AM
Okay, latest Haruhi? What a ripoff.
It was basically the same as the last episode, only with people wearing different clothes. No new plot elements, no new jokes (apart from Kyon referencing Keroro Gunsou at one point, but that's not enough!), no new cute or funny scenes, no new hints on what is causing the timeloop. This episode could as well not be there and we wouldn't miss anything.
Haha, someone who agrees with me. Hell must be freezing over.:smallwink:
Oh and even more:
Wait, this time loop thing is going to stretch to a fourth episode? Given what Nerdo said about how it was handled in the novels, that seems truly excessive.
Finally watched the third new Haruhi episode:
This episode was basically the last episode except there was more fanservice and ho-yay (which is a variety of fanservice if you're a faghag). So if this groundhog day scenario continues Kyon and Koizumi will get snog and Mikuru will permanantly lose her shirt.
I never thought I'd say this about Haruhi, but this week's episode... it's okay you skipped it, you missed nothing.
That is all.
Four. Four episodes of this insufferable Endless Eight story. You have two episodes of content. Tops.
But now you know how Yuki feels. Uhh. No. It's a sloppy adaptation.
Now I just need to ask, do you all also agree the Hercules beetle was the best part so far in this arc?
These pictures pretty much sum up how I feel after reading those posts:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/Trool.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/SuccessfulTrollIRL.png
And to whoever said they dislike watching long series, psssssh, I love my 110+ episode series.
I'd never watch this show and yet I know of it because I like its cutesy songs. I can't get enough of this stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4dIA_4iwk4
Cubey
2009-07-04, 11:46 AM
I was okay with the previous episode. It had the same activities that Haruhi wringed everyone through, but at least it added new plot-important elements and showed things from another perspective. But the newest one didn't and therefore was a waste of time.
Prime32
2009-07-04, 12:31 PM
I'd never watch this show and yet I know of it because I like its cutesy songs. I can't get enough of this stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4dIA_4iwk4The Pretty Cure series is about magical girls... who fight like Dragonball Z characters. I saw a clip.
My thought, and a theory I've seen elsewhere: Their warehouse was in the real world, not Fake Karakura. There's some sort of effect that makes that transition difficult.
That, or they're all ***** who liked watching Shinis get their rears kicked.
Hmm valid points... both of them.
The Real Karakura travel time would require a sneaky way into Soul Society (Urahara could have provided them that means a la the Soul Society Arc :P)
I mean they wouldn't mind seeing some of their Ex-Comrades in Arms get the **** kicked out of them for being exiled for something that they had no control over. That was a very bad move on Yamamoto's part, but despite being someone who can fight, he can be a douche... a lot.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-04, 03:32 PM
Actually, I agreed with NC from the beginning. About the Hercules Beetle being the best thing ever, I mean.
UltraDude
2009-07-05, 07:54 AM
Gundam SEED Destiny movie two. Goes up through crying Cagalli.
Was I supposed to laugh at Stella?
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-05, 10:46 AM
Isn't it the other poor fool who wanted to play Shinn in SRWUG? Why else would you subject yourself to SEED Destiny? Even the people who like SEED hate Destiny.
UltraDude
2009-07-05, 11:39 AM
Isn't it the other poor fool who wanted to play Shinn in SRWUG? Why else would you subject yourself to SEED Destiny? Even the people who like SEED hate Destiny.
It's so infamously bad that I owe it to myself to know just where everyone's coming from. My tolerance for such things is pretty high, so I've been able to enjoy at least a few parts of it.
Plus I still think Stella would be hilarious to try and app for SRWUG if the opportunity somehow arose.
Prime32
2009-07-05, 01:17 PM
I kinda liked how Destiny dealt with things on a more personal level, with White and Grey Morality rather than two armies shouting "DIIIIIIIE!!!!!" at each other.
Closet_Skeleton
2009-07-05, 04:48 PM
I kinda liked how Destiny dealt with things on a more personal level, with White and Grey Morality rather than two armies shouting "DIIIIIIIE!!!!!" at each other.
There's black morality in there as well with Phantom Pain/Blue Cosmos/Logos. Who were also one of the worst handled parts of the series with how useless in battle they are.
littlebottom
2009-07-05, 06:14 PM
i just watched episode 14 of the new FMA series, brotherhood, im assuming this is where the original manga and the anime split off?
i never read the manga, i just knew the orignal anime was based on the manga till a point then seperated, i never knew which point.
episode 14:
in this one greed is "killed" i dont know weather his actually dead yet, but im sure in the orignal anime he ran off and ed chased him, but "king bradley" met greed in the sewer and faught him into submission... is this the point where they split?
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-05, 06:56 PM
Yep. By this point, the manga and the original anime split into different paths. In the manga, Ed and Al meet up with Lin and his bodyguards. They're kickass. This is where the manga starts getting (slightly) better than the anime.
Cubey
2009-07-05, 07:46 PM
There were small but important differences even earlier, as I'm sure you noticed. But yes, now the story gets VERY different. And more awesome.
Closet_Skeleton
2009-07-06, 08:38 AM
After the first anime went in its own direction it still added in a few bits of the manga (eg Hohenhiem's re-appearance).
HamHam
2009-07-06, 11:47 AM
SEED Destiny is great.
FMA: B 14 was solid.
Poison_Fish
2009-07-06, 12:24 PM
SEED Destiny is great.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/Flib/NoZeta.jpg
nothingclever
2009-07-06, 04:14 PM
SEED Destiny is great.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/2849706012_e8dc82110f.jpg
UltraDude
2009-07-06, 04:35 PM
It's like I'm on /m/!
Dispozition
2009-07-06, 06:59 PM
Oh god, the image macro!
Attilargh
2009-07-07, 02:29 AM
Guys, hey guys! Looks like Twilight fans are finally beginning to redeem themselves: Link! (http://www.srsfkn.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/haruhi-t.jpg)
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-07, 02:56 AM
Nah, it's even more incentive to stay away from Haruhi.
Closet_Skeleton
2009-07-07, 06:08 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/Flib/NoZeta.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/2849706012_e8dc82110f.jpg
Yay, let's play insult people for having opinions, can I join in?
Attilargh
2009-07-07, 06:45 AM
And because I'm in a bit of Haruhish mood today, let me introduce the awesomest version of Koi no Mikuru Densetsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzarI39qs8) yet.
Tengu_temp
2009-07-07, 08:44 AM
Cute picture.
That was great, but I think I still like Koi no Minoru Densetsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq7Ta5n5j5E) more.
_Zoot_
2009-07-07, 09:00 AM
And because I'm in a bit of Haruhish mood today, let me introduce the awesomest version of Koi no Mikuru Densetsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzarI39qs8) yet.
Holy smokes that's epic!
nothingclever
2009-07-07, 10:43 AM
Yay, let's play insult people for having opinions, can I join in?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/1185460629924vl4.jpg
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-07, 04:04 PM
And because I'm in a bit of Haruhish mood today, let me introduce the awesomest version of Koi no Mikuru Densetsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzarI39qs8) yet.Be right back, torrenting like the mother****ing fist of the North Star
hanzo66
2009-07-08, 01:11 AM
Fullmetal Alchemist gone Fullcircle: Vic Mignogna and Romi Paku palling around. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrpFLetvrU)
Not sure if I've either shown this before or if I'm just going to get "OLD" shouted back at me, but it's nice to see the interaction between American VAs and Japanese VAs.
UltraDude
2009-07-08, 01:14 AM
Copy-pasted my rant on the third Gundam SEED Destiny comp. movie from another forum.
GSD Movie 3 - Wait, was this whole thing all made by the same person? The pre-Berlin stuff up through the aftermath of Shinn v. Kira was really damn good! Better than original SEED, more enjoyable than parts of 00 season 1, with some damn cool fights.
Then, just as I'd been warned... the drop-off. Seriously, making GSD Kira and Athrun more prevalent and going the direction I know they're going with Shinn... ugh. Shinn should've managed to kill SOMEONE with a name, but the Shinn Stab is more effectively non-lethal than anything Kira does. Speaking of whom, Kira, Lacus, Athrun... bringing the original cast back into the spotlight when they've been made generally less appealing is not cool, and Shinn goes from one of the most interesting pilots in the franchise when he has Impulse... to buzzing around trying to stab everything he sees in Destiny. Furthermore, the gnawing sensation of Zombie La Flaga on the back of my mind simply won't go away.
Damn Berlin was cool! Shinn was awesome there, it actually managed the gray morality it purports really well, and the drama was actually pretty good. Still upside down stock Freedom, but can't do much about that, and the Shinn v. Kira fight is probably up there for simply being well-done as major Gundam battles go. Still, I'd heard that this was the highlight, and the overall quality has gone much the same way that I've heard from others. I'm slightly dreading the finale.
As for the mechs:
Destiny is cool. Maybe if Shinn was as much fun to watch fly it as he was in the otherwise mediocre Impulse I'd like it even more, but as it stands I just like the more UC vibe it has compared to the other CE Gundams; less backpack, more just having a bunch of weapons strapped all over the mech.
Strike Freedom isn't awful! I still don't like the gold detailing and something about it irks me otherwise. Oh, also the fact that it negates the one advantage that a couple blond dudes happened to have over Kira by giving him DRAGOON system, though at least it's got some limitations.
Infinite Justice hasn't actually gone out yet, but I'm sure it will be another underwhelming Athrun Gundam.
Legend is chibi-Providence, and it's in the hands of a chibi-Rau, which means that it's good but not as cool as the original.
Akatsuki is Cagalli's Gundam! Send the zombie back to his grave. Seriously she gets her ONE chance to finally live up to the potential she showed to be an actual tough and competent woman in Gundam in a fairly important role in years, and be like the only one to actually get a really ****ing awesome mobile suit and what does she do? Jobs to the suddenly bland protagonist-turned-antagonist, then GIVES IT TO THE ZOMBIE. End rant.
Destroy was suitably Pyscho Gundam-esque at Berlin, then suddenly turned into a walking target at that Heaven's whatever battle. Er, I'll just go with 'Stella happened to only be good at piloting really ****ing huge mobile suits, and also happened to excel at it compared to others'.
Random DOMs are random!
HamHam
2009-07-08, 01:48 AM
Copy-pasted my rant on the third Gundam SEED Destiny comp. movie from another forum.
GSD Movie 3 - Wait, was this whole thing all made by the same person? The pre-Berlin stuff up through the aftermath of Shinn v. Kira was really damn good! Better than original SEED, more enjoyable than parts of 00 season 1, with some damn cool fights.
Then, just as I'd been warned... the drop-off. Seriously, making GSD Kira and Athrun more prevalent and going the direction I know they're going with Shinn... ugh. Shinn should've managed to kill SOMEONE with a name, but the Shinn Stab is more effectively non-lethal than anything Kira does. Speaking of whom, Kira, Lacus, Athrun... bringing the original cast back into the spotlight when they've been made generally less appealing is not cool, and Shinn goes from one of the most interesting pilots in the franchise when he has Impulse... to buzzing around trying to stab everything he sees in Destiny. Furthermore, the gnawing sensation of Zombie La Flaga on the back of my mind simply won't go away.
Damn Berlin was cool! Shinn was awesome there, it actually managed the gray morality it purports really well, and the drama was actually pretty good. Still upside down stock Freedom, but can't do much about that, and the Shinn v. Kira fight is probably up there for simply being well-done as major Gundam battles go. Still, I'd heard that this was the highlight, and the overall quality has gone much the same way that I've heard from others. I'm slightly dreading the finale.
As for the mechs:
Destiny is cool. Maybe if Shinn was as much fun to watch fly it as he was in the otherwise mediocre Impulse I'd like it even more, but as it stands I just like the more UC vibe it has compared to the other CE Gundams; less backpack, more just having a bunch of weapons strapped all over the mech.
Strike Freedom isn't awful! I still don't like the gold detailing and something about it irks me otherwise. Oh, also the fact that it negates the one advantage that a couple blond dudes happened to have over Kira by giving him DRAGOON system, though at least it's got some limitations.
Infinite Justice hasn't actually gone out yet, but I'm sure it will be another underwhelming Athrun Gundam.
Legend is chibi-Providence, and it's in the hands of a chibi-Rau, which means that it's good but not as cool as the original.
Akatsuki is Cagalli's Gundam! Send the zombie back to his grave. Seriously she gets her ONE chance to finally live up to the potential she showed to be an actual tough and competent woman in Gundam in a fairly important role in years, and be like the only one to actually get a really ****ing awesome mobile suit and what does she do? Jobs to the suddenly bland protagonist-turned-antagonist, then GIVES IT TO THE ZOMBIE. End rant.
Destroy was suitably Pyscho Gundam-esque at Berlin, then suddenly turned into a walking target at that Heaven's whatever battle. Er, I'll just go with 'Stella happened to only be good at piloting really ****ing huge mobile suits, and also happened to excel at it compared to others'.
Random DOMs are random!
Shinn was never interesting. Pretty much from the first instance of him being on screen, it's nothing by whine whine angst angst misguided rage!
He's little more than a walking cliche and dumping him for the old cast was the best thing Destiny did.
Drascin
2009-07-08, 06:10 AM
And because I'm in a bit of Haruhish mood today, let me introduce the awesomest version of Koi no Mikuru Densetsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzarI39qs8) yet.
Beautiful. A silly joke song has absolutely no right to be that awesome! Gives me slight Kingdom Hearts vibes, actually.
...and this is a part of a concert of more like this, you say? Okay, echoing Nerdo here. Be right back!
UltraDude
2009-07-08, 06:50 AM
Shinn was never interesting. Pretty much from the first instance of him being on screen, it's nothing by whine whine angst angst misguided rage!
He's little more than a walking cliche and dumping him for the old cast was the best thing Destiny did.
Eh. Dunno about the full series, but he spent most of the movies... well, when he wasn't angsting, he was defying Athrun (yes!) or wondering why no one else wanted to just get things done. I like my proactive mains, and the misguidedness isn't necessarily a bad thing for the first half of a series - he could (should) have gotten over it, if the show was actually written well.
Oh, and post-Berlin angst and post-I-think-I-killed-that-guy-I-don't-hate-and-my-sort-of-girlfriend's-sister angst were legitimate at the time, even if he kept it up waaay too long.
Actually, thinking on it a little more, my general distaste for Athrun might be influencing this.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-08, 08:28 AM
Beautiful. A silly joke song has absolutely no right to be that awesome! Gives me slight Kingdom Hearts vibes, actually.
...and this is a part of a concert of more like this, you say? Okay, echoing Nerdo here. Be right back!
The awesomeness of the song is slightly ruined by the fact that the picture makes Yuki look like she has breasts.
Dammit, Yuki has a delicious flat chest, not a pair of ta-ta's! I demand that they immediately fix this egregious oversight!
Oh, and yeah, it does remind me of Kingdom Hearts. Ahh, happy childhood memories coming back, how I love that series, despite my usual hatred of JRPGs...
have you guys silly watched this NERV/SOS-dan crossover? (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/07/08/nerv-vs-sos-dan/)
Warning: It's sankaku complex. The article is safe, but the rest of the site/advertisement around it is not. What do you expect?
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-08, 08:38 AM
By far, I value what people other than the creators are doing with Haruhi. Such creative energy really produces worthwhile stuff such as the genderbent novels and the orchestra music. I really get more entertaiment out of the side stuff than the actual series for some reason. It would be a lot more enjoyable if they cut out the sheer amount of pretentiousness in the series about time travel, physics and all that other crap that feels it was put in there as a way for the author to show off than actually contributing to the story.
But then, I could apply the same complaint to Higurashi, and it never produced any enjoyment for me other than the lolis.
@Drascin: What do you think would happen if the writers of Haruhi's and Kingdom Heart's music got together with an orchestra? Imagine the sheer win that would be produced...
Drascin
2009-07-08, 09:18 AM
By far, I value what people other than the creators are doing with Haruhi. Such creative energy really produces worthwhile stuff such as the genderbent novels and the orchestra music. I really get more entertaiment out of the side stuff than the actual series for some reason. It would be a lot more enjoyable if they cut out the sheer amount of pretentiousness in the series about time travel, physics and all that other crap that feels it was put in there as a way for the author to show off than actually contributing to the story.
What? If anything, Haruhi is thousands of times less pretentious than the average "deep" anime series. At least most of the stuff is mostly mentioned as an extra that's a thematical bonus for people who get it, and not thrown into your face while yelling "LOOK! DEPTH! DEPTH!" in the DoW Cultist voice, as is the usual methodology :smalltongue:.
@Drascin: What do you think would happen if the writers of Haruhi's and Kingdom Heart's music got together with an orchestra? Imagine the sheer win that would be produced...
I dunno who composes for Haruhi, but he's really quite good. And yes, every time Shimomura gets her hands on an orchestra, awesome is had. Therefore, it stands to reason that the mix would have to be something glorious.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-08, 09:34 AM
What? If anything, Haruhi is thousands of times less pretentious than the average "deep" anime series. At least most of the stuff is mostly mentioned as an extra that's a thematical bonus for people who get it, and not thrown into your face while yelling "LOOK! DEPTH! DEPTH!" in the DoW Cultist voice, as is the usual methodology :smalltongue:.
Not really. Some of the "deep" stuff are important explanations as to what the **** is actually going on. For example, why Kyon and Mikuru staying in bed together for 3 years while their other selves were doing other stuff during the same time frame didn't completely mess up the timeline. Also, pseudoscience is thrown in for the explanation in the ninth novel as how Haruhi's opposite's powers work. The fact that you take it out and it really couldn't make any difference is what irritates me about the series, other than the fact the premise of a schoolgirl being a deity isn't as explored as much as would like it.
But yeah, it isn't as egregious as Noein using quantam mechanics as the basis of the show. Especially when they get the science wrong. Sheesh, make sure you know what you're talking about when you put in all that pretentious mumbo-jumbo into your animation, capeesh?
Attilargh
2009-07-08, 09:58 AM
I dunno who composes for Haruhi, but he's really quite good.
According to Wikipedia, the original background music for the series was composed by Satoru Kousaki, probably better known for his video game music (http://vgmdb.net/artist/126) than his anime scores (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=55249).
kamikasei
2009-07-08, 10:01 AM
For example, why Kyon and Mikuru staying in bed together for 3 years while their other selves were doing other stuff during the same time frame didn't completely mess up the timeline.
...Why would it? Maybe I'm just overexposed to sci-fi but it makes perfect intuitive sense to me that there'd be no issue there. I can't remember how ridiculous the technobabble explanation given may have been, though.
The fact that you take it out and it really couldn't make any difference is what irritates me about the series
Doesn't that contradict your earlier objection that it's needed to understand important plot points? If it's entirely an extra that you could skim over without losing the plot, then Drascin's description of it as an optional extra seems accurate.
hanzo66
2009-07-08, 10:16 AM
Seeing the Minion RP, I almost thought that someone made an actual RP for the Overlord games (the sequel of which I am currently having oodles of fun). Of course playing as an Overlord Minion would be sorta interesting to see (though in the sequel you do get to possess them at certain points).
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 01:31 PM
Anyone have any anime suggestions? I'm looking for something on the shorter side, around 12 episodes, or 25 if I really like it. I'm not too picky on the genre.
Anime I've already watched: Elfen Lied, Eden of the East, Kamen no Maid Guy, FMA, FMA: B (watching as it updates), .hack//SIGN, Trigun, Excel Saga, FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Gurren Lagann, Wolf's Rain, Petshop of Horrors... That's all I can remember off-hand.
UltraDude
2009-07-08, 01:34 PM
Gunbuster is a 6 ep. OVA.
13_CBS
2009-07-08, 01:40 PM
Anyone have any anime suggestions? I'm looking for something on the shorter side, around 12 episodes, or 25 if I really like it. I'm not too picky on the genre.
Anime I've already watched: Elfen Lied, Eden of the East, Kamen no Maid Guy, FMA, FMA: B (watching as it updates), .hack//SIGN, Trigun, Excel Saga, FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Gurren Lagann, Wolf's Rain, Petshop of Horrors... That's all I can remember off-hand.
Kino's Journey, Azumanga Daioh. The first is a somewhat philosophical, episodic story of a wanderer; the latter is a feel-good wacky high school sitcom.
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 01:43 PM
Kino's Journey, Azumanga Daioh. The first is a somewhat philosophical, episodic story of a wanderer; the latter is a feel-good wacky high school sitcom.
Yes, I'm familiar with Azumanga Daioh. Unfortunately, my interest in it has declined. I watched a few episodes and felt 'meh', and the alarming number of clips it has in the AMV Hells was a bit of a turn off, too.
Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei got 13 episodes.
13_CBS
2009-07-08, 01:51 PM
Unfortunately, my interest in it has declined.
:smallfrown:
I watched a few episodes and felt 'meh',
Eh, Azumanga Daioh is, admittedly, something of an acquired taste...
and the alarming number of clips it has in the AMV Hells was a bit of a turn off, too.
...but I have no idea why it being portrayed in AMV Hell would be a turn off. :smallconfused:
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 01:55 PM
Eh, Azumanga Daioh is, admittedly, something of an acquired taste...
Yeah. Plus, my friend/roomie this fall has the manga, and she says it's better than the show.
...but I have no idea why it being portrayed in AMV Hell would be a turn off. :smallconfused:
How do I explain this... you know how there are those movies, where you seem to get all the movie's 'good parts' from its trailers on TV? It's a little similar to that. I feel like when I saw it so many times in AMV Hell, I saw the 'best parts' of the show.
Shades of Gray
2009-07-08, 01:56 PM
Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei got 13 episodes.
This .
13_CBS
2009-07-08, 01:58 PM
Yeah. Plus, my friend/roomie this fall has the manga, and she says it's better than the show.
Really? I tried reading the manga after watching the show, and I found the anime to suit my tastes better. Then again, I have this habit of favoring the first adaptation of a series I read or watch more...
How do I explain this... you know how there are those movies, where you seem to get all the movie's 'good parts' from its trailers on TV? It's a little similar to that. I feel like when I saw it so many times in AMV Hell, I saw the 'best parts' of the show.
Gotcha. There are plenty of good parts that didn't make it into the AMV Hells, though ("Baka! Baka! Baka! Baka! Baaaaka! Baaaaaaaka!")
Edit: That said, I still recommend Kino's Journey. It's a bit deeper than your average shounen action show, and it's one of my all-time favorites.
nothingclever
2009-07-08, 01:59 PM
Anyone have any anime suggestions? I'm looking for something on the shorter side, around 12 episodes, or 25 if I really like it. I'm not too picky on the genre.
Anime I've already watched: Elfen Lied, Eden of the East, Kamen no Maid Guy, FMA, FMA: B (watching as it updates), .hack//SIGN, Trigun, Excel Saga, FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Gurren Lagann, Wolf's Rain, Petshop of Horrors... That's all I can remember off-hand.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
It has some annoying parts but I personally enjoy it much much more than most other shows out there and it's very long so it'll keep you busy for a while. The dialog is great. Pacing is great. Animation is great considering the time it was made and the actual visuals used. Characters are great. There is vastly more depth in the series all around compared to average shows and it's not in the form of pretentiousness. It's characters and situations being explained thoroughly. When characters give speeches they actually sound like they could pass as being legitimate in real life.
HamHam
2009-07-08, 02:06 PM
Eh. Dunno about the full series, but he spent most of the movies... well, when he wasn't angsting, he was defying Athrun (yes!) or wondering why no one else wanted to just get things done. I like my proactive mains, and the misguidedness isn't necessarily a bad thing for the first half of a series - he could (should) have gotten over it, if the show was actually written well.
Oh, and post-Berlin angst and post-I-think-I-killed-that-guy-I-don't-hate-and-my-sort-of-girlfriend's-sister angst were legitimate at the time, even if he kept it up waaay too long.
Actually, thinking on it a little more, my general distaste for Athrun might be influencing this.
The first thing you see him do other than fight is he sees Cagali and Athrun in the docking bay and starts whining about he hates Orb because the killed his family... except that it was actually the Earth Alliance that did while attacking Orb... but he totally blames Orb because... something...
And then he just keeps doing that for ten episodes.
Tengu_temp
2009-07-08, 02:08 PM
Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
It has some annoying parts but I personally enjoy it much much more than most other shows out there and it's very long so it'll keep you busy for a while. The dialog is great. Pacing is great. Animation is great considering the time it was made and the actual visuals used. Characters are great. There is vastly more depth in the series all around compared to average shows and it's not in the form of pretentiousness. It's characters and situations being explained thoroughly. When characters give speeches they actually sound like they could pass as being legitimate in real life.
It's also roughly as long as all the series Slayer Draco already watched added together.
As for my suggestions:
Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is a smart and amusing show - it's vastly popular, and for a good reason, and while a lot of fans tend to overhype it, it's still great. Just remember to watch it in the broadcast, anachronic order, not the chronoligical DVD one. The first season has 14 episodes, the second one is currently in broadcast.
Genshiken is a slice of life show about otaku - if you are its target audience, there's a fair chance you'll tell yourself "huh, that's familiar" a whole lot while watching it. It's funny and portrays the otaky lifestyle realistically, neither glossing over nor criticizing it. 26 episodes.
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 02:15 PM
Eh, sorry nothingclever, but I did say that I prefer shorter series. The longest I ever watched is FMA... And that's only 51 episodes. It will probably be my only exception for a 'long' anime.
The other suggestions I put on a list, and I'll give 'em a look later.
Terraoblivion
2009-07-08, 02:20 PM
I know that there is a popular opinion that the Azumanga Daioh manga is better than the anime, but i'll be damned if i can figure out why. Not only do i think that the slightly more complex portrayal of the characters in the anime make the whole thing better, the manga completely lacks the dreamy, surreal feel of the anime. Instead it is just a simple collection of gags. The manga is fun, but the anime is better in pretty much all ways.
As for suggestions it rather surprises me, knowing people here, that no one has suggested that you watch The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya yet.
UltraDude
2009-07-08, 02:21 PM
The first thing you see him do other than fight is he sees Cagali and Athrun in the docking bay and starts whining about he hates Orb because the killed his family... except that it was actually the Earth Alliance that did while attacking Orb... but he totally blames Orb because... something...
And then he just keeps doing that for ten episodes.
...Gundam mains whining at the start of a series? Oh no!
Prime32
2009-07-08, 02:24 PM
...Shinn isn't very smart. </obvious>
Seriously, he hates everyone unless they tell him "good job", in which case he will instantly become their best friend. He's like a freaking dog.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-08, 02:24 PM
Haruhi fans, take note.
Anachronic means "presented in an order other than a traditional chronological fashion". The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is a TV series broadcast in anachronic order.
Anachronistic means "having qualities or features that do no fit the apparent historical time frame." Mobile Suit Gundam culminates with an anachronistic fencing duel on a futuristic asteroid base.
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 02:26 PM
Don't worry, I know all about Haruhi. My friend knows the dance featured in the end credits by heart... >_>
Thanks mostly to her (and a scary crossplay someone on our convention staff did at our first con last year), I don't think I'll be touching Haruhi, at least not now. I like anime a lot, but I'm no otaku. Sorry guys.
Shades of Gray
2009-07-08, 02:27 PM
I am no otaku and I enjoyed it. Quite a bit actually.
Tengu_temp
2009-07-08, 02:28 PM
I like anime a lot, but I'm no otaku. Sorry guys.
So? Haruhi is not an otaku-centric show. In fact, it's one of those shows that someone completely new to anime can watch and enjoy, like Cowboy Bebop.
Haruhi fans, take note.
Anachronic means "presented in an order other than a traditional chronological fashion". The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is a TV series broadcast in anachronic order.
Anachronistic means "having qualities or features that do no fit the apparent historical time frame." Mobile Suit Gundam culminates with an anachronistic fencing duel on a futuristic asteroid base.
I'd say that anachronic order is anachronistic in XXI century - you've seen it quite a lot in past works, but lately it's become practically absent. So there.
Terraoblivion
2009-07-08, 02:47 PM
Haruhi is hardly about the dance routine or otaku jokes. In fact like Tengu says it is one of the anime that is the least focused on an otaku subculture. Instead it focuses on character interaction between characters who could almost as easily be found in an American or French or otherwise western show. The reason it is seen so much as connected to otaku culture is that it became popular enough that otaku started obsessing over it and referenced it in everything.
And now that you have brought it up, i have to ask. What was that horrifying cosplay? An overweight man playing Haruhi in the bunnygirl outfit?
UltraDude
2009-07-08, 02:48 PM
...Shinn isn't very smart. </obvious>
Seriously, he hates everyone unless they tell him "good job", in which case he will instantly become their best friend. He's like a freaking dog.
Which is far less noticeable in movie format.
Though wheeling Stella right through the hangar WAS incredibly stupid.
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 02:56 PM
Not fat or bunny outfit. It was the school uniform... But you know those creepy, skinny nerds who nerd rage whenever they can and seem to orgasm before going to a convention? It was one of those guys.
Cubey
2009-07-08, 03:01 PM
I think you just insulted several posters of this very thread.
Well, except we don't nerdrage so often.
OR DO WE? *chord*
And that wasn't so bad. I expected Manfaye, Haruhi edition. Or even worse, Yuki.
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 03:03 PM
I suppose the creepy factor raises more when you actually know the person. And Man-Faye isn't creepy, it's disgusting.
HamHam
2009-07-08, 03:15 PM
...Gundam mains whining at the start of a series? Oh no!
But it's not even a new series. It's a sequel! There was enough angst in SEED, we should really just skip that now and get to the cool robot fighting!
UltraDude
2009-07-08, 03:18 PM
But it's not even a new series. It's a sequel! There was enough angst in SEED, we should really just skip that now and get to the cool robot fighting!
Ah, if only.
G Gundam needs a spiritual successor.
Also, what the hell guys, I'm defending a character I only like marginally more than most of the cast and less than pretty much every other Gundam main ever.
HamHam
2009-07-08, 03:21 PM
G Gundam needs a spiritual successor.
Yes.
Although TTGL could be considered one. Or G Gundam can be considered a spiritual predecessor to TTGL. Or something.
Terraoblivion
2009-07-08, 03:25 PM
Yeah, that was what you made it seem like, Slayer Draco. Still good to hear it wasn't quite that bad.
Poison_Fish
2009-07-08, 04:30 PM
My suggestion, Eden of the East. It's only 11 episodes and they eventually have two movies coming out. That's it.
Neko Toast
2009-07-08, 04:36 PM
My suggestion, Eden of the East. It's only 11 episodes and they eventually have two movies coming out. That's it.
Pssst. It's on my list of stuff I've already watched. :smallwink:
Just finished the first episode of Kino's Journey. I like this one a lot, so I'll finish this one and look at some of the others at a later date.
Kris Strife
2009-07-08, 05:44 PM
Ah, if only.
G Gundam needs a spiritual successor.
Thirded! I'd even accept a direct sequal. It did say on the final episode that they'd see us at the next Gundam Fight after all..
13_CBS
2009-07-08, 06:08 PM
Just finished the first episode of Kino's Journey. I like this one a lot, so I'll finish this one and look at some of the others at a later date.
13_CBS: Ego Boost +1 Get!
KnightDisciple
2009-07-08, 06:10 PM
Thirded! I'd even accept a direct sequal. It did say on the final episode that they'd see us at the next Gundam Fight after all..
True...And I'm definitely in favor of this.
Mind, I mostly agree on TTGL.
But I'd like to see one that's still silly camp at heart, but not quite so bad on the "stereotype Gundams ahoy!" sort of things.
Also, with better animation.
Tengu_temp
2009-07-08, 06:57 PM
Thirded! I'd even accept a direct sequal. It did say on the final episode that they'd see us at the next Gundam Fight after all..
I'd love to see a new G Gundam as well, with over-the-top action that puts TTGL to shame and updated un-PC national stereotypes!
Cubey
2009-07-08, 07:33 PM
Any mention of G Gundam's weird robots wouldn't be complete without these (http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/rojg/managergundam.htm) two (http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/rojg/jumpinggundam.htm) from the spinoff/supplementary manga.
Lord of Rapture
2009-07-08, 08:06 PM
...Why would it? Maybe I'm just overexposed to sci-fi but it makes perfect intuitive sense to me that there'd be no issue there. I can't remember how ridiculous the technobabble explanation given may have been, though.
Doesn't that contradict your earlier objection that it's needed to understand important plot points? If it's entirely an extra that you could skim over without losing the plot, then Drascin's description of it as an optional extra seems accurate.
Itsuki finished that chapter with a long-winded explanation about why it didn't change anything and that there was some overly-complicated theory about why things happened the way they did. I have enjoyed that scene more if he just kept his mouth shut.
No, my point was that they were using all this stupid technobabble to explain why these powers occur the way they do and how things happen. If they just stopped trying to link the series to reality, it would really make me think more highly of them. By inserting all that technobabble and trying to use real world phenomena to explain her work of fiction, I really think the author is stuck up her own ass.
KnightDisciple
2009-07-08, 08:11 PM
I'd love to see a new G Gundam as well, with over-the-top action that puts TTGL to shame and updated un-PC national stereotypes!
So long as said stereotypes have some style and flair, I don't mind.:smallwink:
nothingclever
2009-07-08, 09:06 PM
Canada was pretty cool in G Gundam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVbDE3p0uyc Nonviolent Canada beats Domon in self-defense, captures his love interest and stereotypically apologizes at the same time. Sure he gets defeated later in a really lame way but he's still lulz.
Poison_Fish
2009-07-08, 11:28 PM
Pssst. It's on my list of stuff I've already watched. :smallwink:
Just finished the first episode of Kino's Journey. I like this one a lot, so I'll finish this one and look at some of the others at a later date.
I TOTALLY HAVE GOOD AWARENESS <_<.
Then moving on to my second suggestion, Baccano!. It's 16 episodes with the main meat of it is in 13 episodes. If you like mafia fights, 1920'-30's prohibition era setting, alchemy, jazz, train robbery, and the most awesome thief couple in existence, then it's your thing. Side note, it can get a wee bit violent.
nothingclever
2009-07-08, 11:41 PM
Side note, it can get a wee bit violent.
And bloody.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/147015.jpg
got the freakin awesomest opening though.
edit: why I can't find it in youtube? sigh.
nothingclever
2009-07-09, 12:34 AM
got the freakin awesomest opening though.
edit: why I can't find it in youtube? sigh.
What? It's right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msg8ypnLqaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJoOInURUqM
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-09, 12:36 AM
I want a G Gundam sequel. Preferably starring Allenby, or failing that, Domon's and Rain's kid mentored by "Aunt" Allenby.
I would like to go back to the start of this subject and mention that there was plenty of angsting in G Gundam. It was just in the background, and usually resulted in better mecha fights because the characters got all emotional. See: every damn ultimate move except the original Shining Finger and God Finger - they were all motivated by the user's angst.
What? It's right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msg8ypnLqaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJoOInURUqM
"This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. " for the first one
The second one is nice, but I like the opening animation.
nothingclever
2009-07-09, 01:14 AM
What country are you in? I'm so glad I rarely have that problem. I can barely ever remember any anime intros I like. When I do it's usually just the song I enjoy.
Speaking of anime music, I hate how so many people feel inclined to post their terrible AMVs and amateur attempts at singing great songs on Youtube which you then have to spend forever weeding through to find what you actually want.
I want a G Gundam sequel. Preferably starring Allenby, or failing that, Domon's and Rain's kid mentored by "Aunt" Allenby.
Sorry, Domon's daughter had her chance and was too dissappointed when nobody liked the second season.
I would like to go back to the start of this subject and mention that there was plenty of angsting in G Gundam. It was just in the background, and usually resulted in better mecha fights because the characters got all emotional. See: every damn ultimate move except the original Shining Finger and God Finger - they were all motivated by the user's angst
Only half true. Domon's best fights (except foor the final one which was won by the opower of love (quite literally)) were won by the power of calm. Angst only was his power source when he was still a 'beginner'.
hanzo66
2009-07-09, 05:09 AM
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z305/hanzo661/1071509-lineup2_super.jpg
From the Giant Bomb Persona 4 forums. Photoshopping up little T-shirts and images based on the game and the LP has become a rather fun Fad.
Rogue 7
2009-07-09, 08:49 AM
Sorry, Domon's daughter had her chance and was too dissappointed when nobody liked the second season.
She was still the best damn thing about the show, bar none.
And Hanzo, I might just have to buy some of those, being the Persona 'tard that I am. If I'm reading your post right and they're selling 'em.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-09, 09:13 AM
Only half true. Domon's best fights (except foor the final one which was won by the opower of love (quite literally)) were won by the power of calm. Angst only was his power source when he was still a 'beginner'.Like I said, Domon's two most common finishers aren't angst-based. Shining Finger Sword was, however ineffective it would up being, and the rest of the Shuffle Alliance's finishers all originally either resulted from whatever was making them depressed at the time, or were outright suicidal.
hanzo66
2009-07-09, 09:49 AM
She was still the best damn thing about the show, bar none.
And Hanzo, I might just have to buy some of those, being the Persona 'tard that I am. If I'm reading your post right and they're selling 'em.
They're not actually selling those. It's more a little Photoshop thing they've got going on. I doubt they can legally sell those things without incurring the wrath of Atlus. Some of them are pretty awesome.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z305/hanzo661/1057974-kill_em_all_shirt_super.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z305/hanzo661/1029437-igor_super.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z305/hanzo661/1039931-personateejackfrost_super.png
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z305/hanzo661/956859-ministyle_black_copy_super.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z305/hanzo661/956859-ministyle_black_copy_super.jpg
Here's the link to the original thread. (http://www.giantbomb.com/shin-megami-tensei-persona-4/61-21373/p4-endurance-run-t-shirts/35-238919/#310) They also did an achievement thread (http://www.giantbomb.com/shin-megami-tensei-persona-4/61-21373/persona-4-photoshopped-achievements-thread/35-240366/#51) with this one being particularly excellent.
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/429/962473-christmasfail_super.png
The guys are currently in Naoto's (who they utterly refuse to believe is a male from the moment she appeared as "Slender Young Man") Dungeon. They've done pretty well so far, though they do end up neglecting certain Social Links just because they don't like/care for the characters (Yumi since they think she's whiny, Ai since she's bitchy, Margaret since they don't want to fuse more than necessary, Kanji since... Well, Vinny doesn't care for him all that much gameplay-wise).
Rogue 7
2009-07-09, 10:34 AM
I never used Kanji and I still maxed his link just because he's an awesome guy. He just suffers from learning too many lightning spells when his magic stat is terrible, and not having the multi-target physical spells that Chie gets.
Edit: Stupid work webbernetz filter. I'll have to check out the threads at home.
Cubey
2009-07-09, 10:42 AM
I on the other hand thought that single-target physical abilities that Kanji has were more useful than Chie's multi-target ones. He was one of my best party members. And his social link kicks ass - it needs to be maxed out even if you don't use Kanji at all. Wait, let me rephrase that. All partymembers' social links must be maxed out whether you use them or not.
Nerd-o-rama
2009-07-09, 10:46 AM
All social links must be maxed.
On the first play.
Without a guide.
FINAL DESTINATION.
Okay, only the first one was serious.
Rogue 7
2009-07-09, 11:16 AM
I on the other hand thought that single-target physical abilities that Kanji has were more useful than Chie's multi-target ones. He was one of my best party members. And his social link kicks ass - it needs to be maxed out even if you don't use Kanji at all. Wait, let me rephrase that. All partymembers' social links must be maxed out whether you use them or not.
Odd. I thought Chie was more useful since she had both single and multi-target physicals, plus Power Charge for God's Hand or whatver.
Not to mention Suzuka-Gongen is probably one of the most badass personas ever.
UltraDude
2009-07-09, 11:45 AM
Chie won the spot over Kanji waaay easy. She's at least sort of competent at magic, has the MT physicals, Power Charge, and while Kanji does have that awesome durability Chie is also very fast. I also prefer her Tarukaja spells to Kanji's Rakukaja, since I tend to focus on killing bosses fast. On top of that, I found Lightning a much easier element for the MC to focus on compared to Ice.
Also used Yosuke and Yukiko; Yosuke's got some mad versatility including Dekaja, which kicks ass in a few of the game's boss battles; Yukiko is a better healer than Teddie what with Salvation and all.
Used Naoto in Heaven, though, since Almighty damage and the Light/Dark were especially useful there, and because Naoto is love.
I will need another playthrough to get Naoto and Kanji's S. Links maxed, despite loving both of them to death.
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