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lord of kobolds
2009-06-01, 08:13 PM
Okay, I'm having an ongoing argument with Uber_Drow (we're friend IRL) about this, so I figured I'd bring this online. U_D says Chuck Norris is the most baddass man in history, but I disagree. It is clearly Teddy Roosevelt (http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trbio.html).

What's your opinion?

TheBST
2009-06-01, 08:14 PM
Uh, Teddy Roosevelt because all of Chuck Norris' accomplishments are fictional?

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-01, 08:18 PM
Uh, Teddy Roosevelt because all of Chuck Norris' accomplishments are fictional?

The man makes a strong point.

Mando Knight
2009-06-01, 08:23 PM
Roosevelt. He didn't succumb to asthma, he beat it up and left it on the curb to die. He took a bullet during an assassination attempt, and went ahead and delivered the speech before going to the hospital. If Roosevelt had done these things when the Internet was around, he'd be the one getting all the memetic badass attention.

Lupy
2009-06-01, 08:46 PM
Well, Mr. Norris was a world champion kickboxer. It makes him badass, but not the most badass man ever.

President Roosevelt was a good man, but he wasn't the most badass man in history either.

No, that honor my friend, goes to this man, and this man only. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4)

raitalin
2009-06-01, 08:49 PM
Well, Mr. Norris was a world champion kickboxer. It makes him badass, but not the most badass man ever.

President Roosevelt was a good man, but he wasn't the most badass man in history either.

No, that honor my friend, goes to this man, and this man only. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4)

Yep, Simo wins this argument, hands down, every time.

Of the original 2 thoguh, certainly Teddy wins. As has already been pointed out, Chuck Norris's accomplishments are largely fictional. In reality he's no more badass than Jean Claude Van Dam or Stephen Segal. Which is to say, badass, but not terribly so.

Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll
2009-06-01, 08:51 PM
That guy is definately the most bad-ass guy ever.

KnightDisciple
2009-06-01, 08:52 PM
Roosevelt. He didn't succumb to asthma, he beat it up and left it on the curb to die. He took a bullet during an assassination attempt, and went ahead and delivered the speech before going to the hospital. If Roosevelt had done these things when the Internet was around, he'd be the one getting all the memetic badass attention.

Also, that charge up San Juan Hill?
It happened. But there wasn't a horse under Teddy. :smallamused:

BlueWizard
2009-06-01, 08:58 PM
Uh, Teddy Roosevelt because all of Chuck Norris' accomplishments are fictional?

Do you even know your history?
Roosevelt sent his black soldiers in first up San Juan hill. They did all the brave fighting and dying, and then the Roughriders rode in last to clean-up and take credit.
I appreciate much of Teddy's accomplishments, but Chuck Norris would eat him alive. Heck, Clint Eastwood as an old man would chew him up and spit him out... and he's an actor.

TheBST
2009-06-01, 09:05 PM
Do you even know your history?
Roosevelt sent his black soldiers in first up San Juan hill. They did all the brave fighting and dying, and then the Roughriders rode in last to clean-up and take credit.
I appreciate much of Teddy's accomplishments, but Chuck Norris would eat him alive. Heck, Clint Eastwood as an old man would chew him up and spit him out... and he's an actor.

Since when do we measure badassery by who would win a fight? Sounds like neanderthal thinking to me. One may be able beat up lots of people, but still be a complete tool-, which, incidentally, Mr. Norris strikes me as. Badassery comes in many forms, of which physical prowess is a minor one.

raitalin
2009-06-01, 09:11 PM
Do you even know your history?
Roosevelt sent his black soldiers in first up San Juan hill. They did all the brave fighting and dying, and then the Roughriders rode in last to clean-up and take credit.


Uh, care to source that? TR was in charge of a group of volunteers (the Rough Riders), and not a member of the regular army, which the "Buffalo Soldiers" (who I assume you're referring to) were, and therefore under the command of the regular army. TR had authority over only the RRs, though he did have a habit of requisitioning the best supplies for them, glamorizing the war and glory-hogging.

I don't consider badassness simply a measure of who would win in a straight-up fight, but an indomitable spirit, no-nonsense and ultra-masculine style.

Simo Hayha>Teddy Roosevelt>Bruce Lee>Clint Eastwood>Chuck Norris

Lupy
2009-06-01, 09:16 PM
Uh, care to source that? TR was in charge of a group of volunteers (the Rough Riders), and not a member of the regular army, which the "Buffalo Soldiers" (who I assume you're referring to) were, and therefore under the command of the regular army. TR had authority over only the RRs, though he did have a habit of requisitioning the best supplies for them, glamorizing the war and glory-hogging.

I don't consider badassness simply a measure of who would win in a straight-up fight, but an indomitable spirit, no-nonsense and ultra-masculine style.

Simo Hayha>Teddy Roosevelt>Bruce Lee>Clint Eastwood>Chuck Norris

Uh, Chuck Norris is still a badass, manly, kickboxer.

Simo Hayha>Chuck Norris>Teddy Roosevelt>Clint Eastwood>Bruce Lee

Phase
2009-06-01, 09:24 PM
Simo definitely wins, but Teddy was pretty damn badass. It's been said that Death had to take him sleeping, because if he were alive there would have been a fight.

Erts
2009-06-01, 09:26 PM
Since when do we measure badassery by who would win a fight? Sounds like neanderthal thinking to me. One may be able beat up lots of people, but still be a complete tool-, which, incidentally, Mr. Norris strikes me as. Badassery comes in many forms, of which physical prowess is a minor one.

Good good point.

I think we should make a tier of badassery.

Teddy wins.

Blue the Thief
2009-06-01, 09:31 PM
I disagree with all of you! This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill) guy is the most badass of all!

Why? Because, according to him "any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed", and going by this rule/law, he carried a freakin' claymore into battle (Along with his bagpipes and bow-and-arrows....)

Whats not awesome about that?! XD

Erts
2009-06-01, 09:31 PM
I disagree with all of you! This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill) guy is the most badass of all!

Why? Because, according to him "any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed", and going by this rule/law, he carried a freakin' claymore into battle (Along with his bagpipes and bow-and-arrows....)

Whats not awesome about that?! XD

Crap your right he is the most badass.

SDF
2009-06-01, 09:37 PM
Theodore Roosevelt was arguably the most successful American conservationist in the countries history. Making him clearly more badass than your snipers or TV Rangers.


I disagree with all of you! This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill) guy is the most badass of all!

Why? Because, according to him "any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed", and going by this rule/law, he carried a freakin' claymore into battle (Along with his bagpipes and bow-and-arrows....)

Whats not awesome about that?! XD

I am now convinced we are confusing being badass with being batspoon insane. :smalltongue:

leafman
2009-06-01, 09:45 PM
Simo Hayha>Chuck Norris>Teddy Roosevelt>Clint Eastwood>Bruce Lee
I question your sanity. The man who invented not one but two martial arts fighting styles, and kicked the crap out of Norris made the bottom of that list?:smallconfused:

Erts
2009-06-01, 09:49 PM
I question your sanity. The man who invented not one but two martial arts fighting styles, and kicked the crap out of Norris made the bottom of that list?:smallconfused:

Very very true.

People, please turn your attention to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIwQMBeC2c

Blue the Thief
2009-06-01, 09:56 PM
Theodore Roosevelt was arguably the most successful American conservationist in the countries history. Making him clearly more badass than your snipers or TV Rangers.



I am now convinced we are confusing being badass with being batspoon insane. :smalltongue:


There's a difference?:tongue:

SDF
2009-06-01, 09:59 PM
To be fair that was one of Lee's movies, where he is the star and Norris is an antagonist.

Speaking of ridiculous historical figures Nathan Bedford Forrest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest) started out as a private in the Confederacy during the Civil War. (despite being rich, and exempt from service) Ended up as one of the the highest ranking officers in the army. Most importantly was wounded 4 times, and had THIRTY horses shot out from under him. Went on to survive the war.

Blue the Thief
2009-06-01, 10:12 PM
If we're just going to keep bring awesome war hero's into this, then....

Yogendra Singh Yadav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogendra_Singh_Yadav) - One of the 21 people in history to have earned the Param Vir Chakra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Param_Vir_Chakra), and also one of the 7 to have not died getting said medal.

Alvin York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_York) - took on a fortified machine-gun encampment guarding a German railroad, right after said machine-gun encampment killed his entire squad.

Audie Murphy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy) - To many things to list, but off the top of my head, he jumped into a crippled M-10s, hopped in behind the .50 cal machine gun, and started killing everything in sight. Understand that the M-10 was on fire, had a full tank of gas and was basically a death-trap.

And he did this while beng five-and-a-half-foot-tall. And suffering malaria.

They even made a movie about him, which was the highest-grossing film Universal made, a record it held for 20 years until the making of Jaws. That's right, they actually needed a movie about a giant, man-eating, shark to top Audie Murphy's awesomeness.

Beat. That :smalltongue:

Nevrmore
2009-06-01, 10:13 PM
On the subject of Roosevelt's passing in his sleep, Vice President Thomas Marshall had this to say: "Death had to take him sleeping, for if Roosevelt had been awake there would have been a fight."

People need to realize that this thread isn't about the world's biggest badass (Andrew Jackson), just about who was better out of Norris and Roosevelt, and sorry Mr. Kickboxer, but you're no competition.

Em Blackleaf
2009-06-01, 10:19 PM
Theodore Roosevelt was actually as awesome as his actions and personality. While Chuck Norris's stunts were all fictional.

Besides, Bruce Lee killed Chuck Norris in The Way of the Dragon.

:smallcool:

SDF
2009-06-01, 10:21 PM
People need to realize that this thread isn't about the world's biggest badass (Andrew Jackson), just about who was better out of Norris and Roosevelt, and sorry Mr. Kickboxer, but you're no competition.

I think Jackson is another example of someone who was just batspoon crazy. Though, he would probably kick the crap out of most people despite living with a musket ball in his lung that caused him to cough up blood on occasion. Probably got it from one of his many duels... that guy just loved to fight.

Berserk Monk
2009-06-01, 10:22 PM
Gotta go with Roosevelt.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick."

OverdrivePrime
2009-06-01, 10:47 PM
While Simo Häyhä and Jack Churchill are pretty fraggin' hardcore, my vote still goes to the Viking at Stamford Bridge (http://www.badassoftheweek.com/stamfordbridge.html).


And I do apologize to all the civilized folk in the playground, but badassery does, by its nature, require the ability to trash bozos in brutal fashion. Had some 40th level bard bluffed Attila the Hun into going home and starting a pizza joint instead of rampaging across the world, that would have been pretty awesome and impressive, but it would not have been badass, unless the bard ended the speech by uppercutting Mr. The Hun and stealing his sunglasses in the same motion.

chiasaur11
2009-06-01, 10:52 PM
I'm going with Ted, although Simo is a major badass, if only because he STARTED a war, just so he could be the most badass man in it.

Then he fought robot Hitler alongside Edison and Lincoln.

Norris would, no offense to the man, get his ass kicked bad.

Copacetic
2009-06-01, 11:07 PM
Norris makes me feel sorry for him.

Simo makes me feel sorry for the Russians.

Roosevelt makes me feel sorry for the world.

Moff Chumley
2009-06-01, 11:11 PM
Me.

Wait, what's this thread about?

Dumbledore lives
2009-06-01, 11:17 PM
When reading this thread I noticed that pretty much everyone mentioned were in these (http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-*****.html) article (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_p5.html). Of course, they probably took all the information from wikipedia anyway.

Blue the Thief
2009-06-01, 11:21 PM
When reading this thread I noticed that pretty much everyone mentioned were in these (http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-*****.html) article (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_p5.html). Of course, they probably took all the information from wikipedia anyway.

Umm... no I didn't.... I've never heard of that site... stop making things up....

:tongue:

Nevrmore
2009-06-01, 11:24 PM
I think Jackson is another example of someone who was just batspoon crazy. Though, he would probably kick the crap out of most people despite living with a musket ball in his lung that caused him to cough up blood on occasion. Probably got it from one of his many duels... that guy just loved to fight.
He actually lived with several musketballs in him from all the duels he had been in. He was noted to "rattle like a bag of marbles" because of the amount of lead balls in his body.

chiasaur11
2009-06-01, 11:24 PM
Hey, I got my info in the same way as all top academics!

Badass of the week.

Flame of Anor
2009-06-01, 11:45 PM
Anyone who designs and builds something like this:

http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/BUILDING%20THE%20NAUTILUS%20MINISUB_files/image008.jpg

in utter secrecy, no less, then goes around fighting oppression, in utter secrecy, no less, making tremendous scientific discoveries, in utter secrecy, no less, and coming up with some of the most awesome sea-related quotes ever takes top spot in my book.


(Oh, and TR is badder in the ass than Chuck Norris.)

Icewalker
2009-06-01, 11:49 PM
TEDDY ROOSEVELT.

Do you know about the assassination attempt/bull moose speech?

While Roosevelt was campaigning in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on October 14, 1912, a saloonkeeper named John Schrank shot him, but the bullet lodged in his chest only after penetrating both his steel eyeglass case and passing through a thick (50 pages) single-folded copy of the speech he was carrying in his jacket. Roosevelt, as an experienced hunter and anatomist, correctly concluded that since he wasn't coughing blood the bullet had not completely penetrated the chest wall to his lung, and so declined suggestions he go to the hospital immediately. Instead, he delivered his scheduled speech with blood seeping into his shirt. He spoke for ninety minutes. His opening comments to the gathered crowd were, "Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose."

The speech:
http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/research/speech%20kill%20moose.htm

lord of kobolds
2009-06-03, 10:12 AM
I really have to throw Steve Irwin into this debate. He wrestled 'gators as though it were nothing. He would get bitten by a venomous snake and LAUGH!

Edge
2009-06-03, 10:20 AM
*cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill)

I believe this man might qualify.

chiasaur11
2009-06-03, 01:02 PM
*cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill)

I believe this man might qualify.

Mentioned already.

Of course, I'd say a hint of discretion isn't a bad trait in a badass. I mean, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight. See: The Magnificent Seven.

SurlySeraph
2009-06-03, 03:37 PM
No mention of Dan Daly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Daly), the manliest marine ever?

He is the one of 19 men to win two Medals of Honor. He got the first one for defending the American embassy in China during the Boxer Rebellion, in which he single-handedly fought off several hundred people. Again, Dan Daly, alone, was attacked by several hundred people, and he shot 200 of them dead and forced the rest to flee.

He got the second one in Haiti. His unit lost their heavy machine gun while crossing a river to set up a defensive position. They were surrounded and vastly outnumbered. Daly volunteered to sneak out of the camp alone in the middle of the night, hiked back to the river, dove underwater, found the machine gun and its ammo (I must emphasize again that the machine gun was at the bottom of a river in the middle of the night), carried it back to camp (the gun and ammo weighed about 60 pounds), set up a defensive position, and started killing the hell out of the Cacos rebels surrounding his men.

bladedSmoke
2009-06-03, 05:03 PM
On the topic of World War Two badasses: My grandfather's old friend Ron, who is now sadly deceased, passing away peacefully in his sleep at a very old age.

Ron was once an inoffensive butcher before joining the Navy in World War Two. At one point, he was on a ship which had completely run out of ammunition for the soldiers on board, and they were held up at gunpoint by Nazis in a U-boat.

Here's the badass bit - Ron leaped down onto the U-boat and killed six armed Nazi soldiers with a freakin' cutlass.

The U-boat was captured, the ship saved, and Ron came home a hero. I didn't believe my grandfather at first when he told me this, but he has shown me a clip of the newspaper article which detailed this happening, and has also shown me Ron's medal in our local museum.

LXH
2009-06-03, 05:19 PM
Does being completely and (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52567) utterly insane (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91103) help or hurt Chuck's candidacy?

Ravens_cry
2009-06-03, 05:28 PM
I throw into the ring, Winston Churchill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill) and as a collective Bad Ass award, the Apollo astronauts. Notably, Buzz Aldrin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin), who at the age of 72 punched conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel in the face for calling him a liar.And the crew of Apollo 13, who made a square CO2 filter fit in a round hole with plastic bags, cover from the owners manual and duct tape, saving their lives.
And that brings us to what I consider the most bad ass invention, Duct Tape.
What it can't do, isn't worth doing.

Thanatos 51-50
2009-06-03, 05:29 PM
No mention of Dan Daly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Daly), the manliest marine ever?

He is the one of 19 men to win two Medals of Honor. He got the first one for defending the American embassy in China during the Boxer Rebellion, in which he single-handedly fought off several hundred people. Again, Dan Daly, alone, was attacked by several hundred people, and he shot 200 of them dead and forced the rest to flee.

He got the second one in Haiti. His unit lost their heavy machine gun while crossing a river to set up a defensive position. They were surrounded and vastly outnumbered. Daly volunteered to sneak out of the camp alone in the middle of the night, hiked back to the river, dove underwater, found the machine gun and its ammo (I must emphasize again that the machine gun was at the bottom of a river in the middle of the night), carried it back to camp (the gun and ammo weighed about 60 pounds), set up a defensive position, and started killing the hell out of the Cacos rebels surrounding his men.

Dammit, Surly, stop linking Medal of Honour Recipients. I al,wyas read the citation, and they always give me the chills. Expecially the posthumous ones.

Miklus
2009-06-03, 06:08 PM
Wow, that finnish guy killed over 700 people?! Talk about a killing spree of Belkarian proportions! I was going to find some really badass viking, but I don't think I can top that. :smalleek:

Thanatos 51-50
2009-06-03, 06:18 PM
And that brings us to what I consider the most bad ass invention, Duct Tape.
What it can't do, isn't worth doing.

Are you saying that curing cancer, erdicating disease and securing absolute peace and saftey for one's loved ones aren't worth doing?

LXH
2009-06-03, 06:20 PM
Based on shear historical significance, forward thinking, unprecedented expansion while absorbing instead of destroying annexed cultures, and for contributions to the development of human rights, I submit Cyrus the Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great).

For reasons largely ethno-political, Cy always gets the historical shaft from "western" historians, but one would be hard pressed to find another leader who has had as much significance to the shaping of civilization as we know it today.

Ravens_cry
2009-06-03, 06:22 PM
Are you saying that curing cancer, erdicating disease and securing absolute peace and saftey for one's loved ones aren't worth doing?
With Duct Tape, All Things Are Possible.:smallbiggrin:

Gaelbert
2009-06-03, 10:22 PM
Beat. That :smalltongue:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z270/coolcalbert/Tiananmensquare.jpg

SurlySeraph
2009-06-03, 10:29 PM
Are you saying that curing cancer,

Holding together the researchers' equipment.


eradicating disease

Duct tape is used by biohazard teams to seal off areas so that airborne germs can't enter.


and securing absolute peace and saftey for one's loved ones aren't worth doing?

Duct tape all entrances to your home shut.

Ravens_cry
2009-06-03, 10:42 PM
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z270/coolcalbert/Tiananmensquare.jpg
*takes off hat in respect*
We have a winner. This man did not walk on the moon, or kill 700 enemies.
Nor can he windmill kick your head off, or rapid punch your kidneys into a pulp.
He did not go into battle with a sword, or kill with a long bow in a world war two battlefield. He did not inspire a starving isolated nation to victory. He did not win a Medal of Honor, or two, his reward was most likely a bullet to the head, and a bill to his family or at least imprisonment.
But this man, this Bad Ass, stopped tanks by standing in front of them.
I motion Tank Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man) is the most Bad Ass creature that ever lived.
Does anyone 2nd this motion?

Trizap
2009-06-03, 11:01 PM
*takes off hat in respect*
We have a winner. This man did not walk on the moon, or kill 700 enemies.
Nor can he windmill kick your head off, or rapid punch your kidneys into a pulp.
He did not go into battle with a sword, or kill with a long bow in a world war two battlefield. He did not inspire a starving isolated nation to victory. He did not win a Medal of Honor, or two, his reward was most likely a bullet to the head, and a bill to his family or at least imprisonment.
But this man, this Bad Ass, stopped tanks by standing in front of them.
I motion Tank Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man) is the most Bad Ass creature that ever lived.
Does anyone 2nd this motion?

seconded, this guy was one of the protesters at Tianmen Square, China, during Communist China's time when the government was cracking down on its own culture, he basically stood up for all of China in one simple act of standing in front of tanks, bad freakin' badass.

edit: whats more badass? no one knows who he is, he isn't even in a position of power or anything, and to this day, no one knows where he is.

raitalin
2009-06-04, 03:10 AM
Ballsy? Yes. Courageous? Absolutely. A shining beacon of conviction? Undoubtedly.Badass? I'm not so sure.

I equate badassery with some amount of violence or intimidation. Otherwise Ghandi or MLK could be described as badass, and that just doesn't jibe from my perspective.

Ravens_cry
2009-06-04, 03:43 AM
Ballsy? Yes. Courageous? Absolutely. A shining beacon of conviction? Undoubtedly.Badass? I'm not so sure.

I equate badassery with some amount of violence or intimidation. Otherwise Ghandi or MLK could be described as badass, and that just doesn't jibe from my perspective.
Ghandi and Martin Luther King jr. were definitely badass. They did more with words and courageous nonviolence then a thousand men with guns, swords or fists. One was able, without hurting anyone, shame the worlds largest empire ever into granting independence to his country. The other brought forth in true freedom for his people through nonviolent protest and civil disobedience. They had a dream, they made it real.
Bad Ass? Hells yeah.

Anuan
2009-06-04, 04:31 AM
Uh, Chuck Norris is still a badass, manly, kickboxer.

Simo Hayha>Chuck Norris>Teddy Roosevelt>Clint Eastwood>Bruce Lee

I do believe Bruce Lee goes before Chuck Norris, as he beat him in a fight (outside of the movie, even :smalltongue:), did a functionally superior martial art, created a new martial art, was more open and accepting of other people's beliefs and was manly enough to admit that fighting like a girl could be extremely effective.
For the uninitiated; Bruce Lee did Wing Chun, a martial art invented by a woman for a woman.
I'm not sure Clint Eastwood even deserves to be on that list.

Also; Tank Man is/was incredibly bad-ass, even if he was most likely dragged off and tortured to death.
Steve Irwin was incredibly bad-ass, for his conservationism, love of animals, and the fact he was a martial artist to boot.

Athaniar
2009-06-04, 04:53 AM
Simo Häyhä wins this one easily in my opinion. If we're talking a less violent kind of badass, then Gandhi.

bookeater
2009-06-04, 05:14 AM
Third for Tank Man.

Really think about it,standing infront of 60 tons of tank that could possibly run you over and inflict of the most painful deaths a person could imagine.
Also consider the fact that this man knew that this act could quite possibly damn his family as well.

The physical ability to hurt someone? It's almost meaningless. Any one can win a fight if they do it dirty enough.

Becoming an immortal icon of defiance against totalitarianism?

I think it speaks for itself.

OverdrivePrime
2009-06-04, 06:34 AM
I think you guys are confusing heroism and nobility with badassery.

With all respect to Tank Man, Ghandi and MLK, the actions these men are remembered for are selfless, awesome, heroic, inspiring and noble. I would go so far as to say that Ghandi and MLK would actually be offended at the insinuation that they were badadsses.

The idea of a badass is one that centers around the capacity for relentless, yet awesomely performed, violence - either through demonstration or implication.

"Badass" and "Peaceful Hunger Strike" are concepts that are almost diametrically opposed.

Mirriam-Webster describes a badass as a troublemaker or having formidable skill. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/badass)

What I think would be a more appropriate term for heroes like Tankman, Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. is "Hardcore". These men didn't flinch in the face of mind-shattering punishment, they simply knew what they had to do and just went out and effing did it, consequences be damned. That is hardcore, my friends.

darkblust
2009-06-04, 06:54 AM
out of these 2 options,mr.T definately wins.theodore is cool to:smallcool:

Klose_the_Sith
2009-06-04, 11:35 AM
Tank Man kicked ass, he was seriously badass.

I nevertheless contend that the greatest badass of all is Denny Lee Snider. Just because he almost provoked Al Gore into a fight by calling Tipper Gore a perv.


Uh, Chuck Norris is still a badass, manly, kickboxer.

Simo Hayha>Chuck Norris>Teddy Roosevelt>Clint Eastwood>Bruce Lee

There is so much wrong with that list I can't even imagine an editor considering work with you :smalltongue:

raitalin
2009-06-04, 11:37 AM
I think you guys are confusing heroism and nobility with badassery.

With all respect to Tank Man, Ghandi and MLK, the actions these men are remembered for are selfless, awesome, heroic, inspiring and noble. I would go so far as to say that Ghandi and MLK would actually be offended at the insinuation that they were badadsses.

The idea of a badass is one that centers around the capacity for relentless, yet awesomely performed, violence - either through demonstration or implication.

"Badass" and "Peaceful Hunger Strike" are concepts that are almost diametrically opposed.

Mirriam-Webster describes a badass as a troublemaker or having formidable skill. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/badass)

What I think would be a more appropriate term for heroes like Tankman, Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. is "Hardcore". These men didn't flinch in the face of mind-shattering punishment, they simply knew what they had to do and just went out and effing did it, consequences be damned. That is hardcore, my friends.

This. Thank you, I was beginning to think I was going to be the only person trying to make a point that was pseudo-critical of Ghandi and MLK. Its tough being that guy.

Really, just beautifully made. I've got nothing to add.

Jalor
2009-06-04, 12:38 PM
I think you guys are confusing heroism and nobility with badassery.

With all respect to Tank Man, Ghandi and MLK, the actions these men are remembered for are selfless, awesome, heroic, inspiring and noble. I would go so far as to say that Ghandi and MLK would actually be offended at the insinuation that they were badadsses.

The idea of a badass is one that centers around the capacity for relentless, yet awesomely performed, violence - either through demonstration or implication.

"Badass" and "Peaceful Hunger Strike" are concepts that are almost diametrically opposed.

Mirriam-Webster describes a badass as a troublemaker or having formidable skill. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/badass)

What I think would be a more appropriate term for heroes like Tankman, Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. is "Hardcore". These men didn't flinch in the face of mind-shattering punishment, they simply knew what they had to do and just went out and effing did it, consequences be damned. That is hardcore, my friends.

I third this. Excellent point.

That being said, Simo Haya is the winner here. It's already been suggested in The Metal Thread that some band needs to do a concept album about him.

GoC
2009-06-04, 09:15 PM
Simo Haya is probably the winner but my grandfather was pretty badass.
He was a Polish count in WWII and at age 16 was dragged off by the russians to one of their gulags in Siberia where he was tortured (beatings so nasty he ended up with rather severe brain damage for the rest of his life) and starved. After a while the russians decided that they didn't want the news of this to get out so they moved out and left all the prisoners behind to freeze and starve. My grandfather escaped on the underside of the last train to leave, fled to India and from there to England. There he made it into the air force and became a fighter ace fighting against the germans (got a few medals too). In one battle him and 12 (11? can't remember) other planes defended a town against almost a hundred german planes (these 13 got a statue in their honor in said town much later).
The brain damage, torture trauma and a subsequent motorbike accident (worsening the brain damage) made life very difficult after the war and he could never hold down a job or communicate very well but survived with a few minor inventions.

Not too bad all things considered.:smallbiggrin: