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Nameless
2009-06-09, 04:49 AM
The Hairy Modfather: This thread was originally only about Britain but has been expanded to include all of Europe and Russia as well as any related countries/islands. The first nine pages is pretty much solely about Britain. Nameless, you may remove this text and replace it with your own explanation when you have time.

EDIT: So yeah, what he said. ^ :smallbiggrin:


Europe & Russia

In the Playground



BRITAIN

In the Playground

Greetings my jolly ol' Brits! I bid you all good tidings. Are you tired of seeing words spelled funny? like "Color" instead of "Colour". Are tired with people discussing foods you don't understand? Have you had enough of people not understanding your sarcasm and humour? Well this is the place for you! Within this boudoir you will find all things British, and a corner for each of our great nations-


The English corner, where you can discuss all things English! Like Tea, scones (pronounced sc-own-s) and being obnoxious.
The Welsh corner, where you can discuss all thing Welsh! Like Dragons and sheep.
The Scottish corner, where you can discuss all things Scottish... Like skirts, fighting and talking loudly!
The Irish Corner, where you can discuss all things Irish! Like drinking, leprechauns and gold.

Don't forget, you may remove your coats and bowler hats off at the entrance.
And I'm sorry, this is a strictly no leprechauns zone, please keep them outside in the designated area.

*Holds up a Union Jack*
This thread will commence when the Anthem is sung!


http://gaygamer.net/images/PF_408971_999~Union-Jack-Posters.jpg

KuReshtin
2009-06-09, 04:57 AM
[sings anthem] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2R1TMNxPj8)
Oh, Flower of Scotland,
When will we see,
Yer likes again?
Who fought and died for,
Yer wee bit hill and glen,
An' stood against them,
Proud Edward's army,
An' sent them homewards,
Tae think again.
[/sings anthem] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2R1TMNxPj8)

Okay, We can start the thread now. :smallbiggrin:

Nameless
2009-06-09, 05:01 AM
By God you're a genius! :smalltongue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk

Now we can start.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 05:07 AM
*Holds up a Union Jack*
This thread will commence when the Anthem is sung!


http://gaygamer.net/images/PF_408971_999~Union-Jack-Posters.jpg

Union Jack? UNION JACK??? Are you on a Boat sir???

On land it is the Union FLAG...

Dihan
2009-06-09, 05:17 AM
*Waves a Welsh flag*

*sings* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kUnCwV3AYE)
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mâd,
Dros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.

Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad.
Tra môr yn fur i'r bur hoff bau,
O bydded i'r hen iaith barhau.


It's about time we got our thread! The Aussies can't have all the fun! :smalltongue:

Nameless
2009-06-09, 05:19 AM
Union Jack? UNION JACK??? Are you on a Boat sir???

On land it is the Union FLAG...

I'm holding it out to see! That's close enough darn it! :smalltongue:

banjo1985
2009-06-09, 05:20 AM
What ho mater, by jove, one may have found just the club for one!

Would anyone like a cucumber sandwich?

I also have cookies...real cookies, not biscuits. I also have crisps not chips, chips not fries, sweets not candy, and a garden, not a yard.

:smalltongue:

TheBST
2009-06-09, 05:24 AM
By God you're a genius! :smalltongue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk

Now we can start.

Bugger that.

I hereby declare England's new national anthem is Jumping Jack Flash by the Rolling Stones.

Dihan
2009-06-09, 05:24 AM
How about an egg and water cress sandwhich? Maybe some hotpot? Or maybe a bag of fish and chips. :smallbiggrin:

Nameless
2009-06-09, 05:24 AM
What ho mater, by jove, one may have found just the club for one!

Would anyone like a cucumber sandwich?

I also have cookies...real cookies, not biscuits. I also have crisps not chips, chips not fries, sweets not candy, and a garden, not a yard.

:smalltongue:

I'll have one of everything!
Apart from cucumbers.

Nameless
2009-06-09, 05:27 AM
Bugger that.

I hereby declare England's new national anthem is Jumping Jack Flash by the Rolling Stones.

I demand it be Communication Breakdown!

banjo1985
2009-06-09, 05:40 AM
Fish and chips...now there's an idea. In real newspaper so you can get ink poisoning!

Good times :smallbiggrin:

Nameless
2009-06-09, 05:45 AM
I miss Fish 'n' Chips. They're all being replaced with Kebab shops now. :smallfrown:

Dihan
2009-06-09, 05:47 AM
Kebabs are icky! Fish and chips are irreplaceable! Thankfully my town has numerous chippies although only one is good.

bosssmiley
2009-06-09, 05:50 AM
I miss Fish 'n' Chips. They're all being replaced with Kebab shops now. :smallfrown:

Lose: Fish 'n' Chips (which is a fun phrase to make Kiwis say)
Gain: Stavros Flatley

Swings and roundabouts. :smallamused:

Nameless
2009-06-09, 05:51 AM
Kebabs are icky! Fish and chips are irreplaceable! Thankfully my town has numerous chippies although only one is good.

If you can get a REAl kebab, then it's amazingly awesome. But all the ones that have replaced Fish 'n' chips are cheap bad ones.

Tamburlaine
2009-06-09, 05:54 AM
I demand it be Communication Breakdown!

What what what? Pomp and Circumstance March no. 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moL4MkJ-aLk), I think you'll find.

Dihan
2009-06-09, 05:57 AM
What what what? Pomp and Circumstance March no. 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moL4MkJ-aLk), I think you'll find.

I agree whole heartedly! *Bobs up and down like the old guys on the Last Night of the Proms*

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:04 AM
Fish and chips...now there's an idea.

Only if they are served northern style, in gravy. (Or Sheffield-style, with a dash of Henderson's Relish.)

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:05 AM
I hereby declare England's new national anthem is Jumping Jack Flash by the Rolling Stones.

Surely it's 'A New England' by Billy Bragg?

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:06 AM
Only if they are served northern style, in gravy. (Or Sheffield-style, with a dash of Henderson's Relish.)

Or scottish style... In batter. :smalltongue:

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:08 AM
The English corner, where you can discuss all things English! Like Tea, scones (pronounced sc-own-s) and being obnoxious.

Where I come from we pronounce 'scone' to rhyme with 'gone'.

And who said we English were obnoxious, you daft apath?!

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:11 AM
Or scottish style... In batter.

Well, fish in batter, yes.

Now, pizza in batter? I've been tempted when I've visited Glasgow chippies. But what I really love about scots chip shops is onion rings the size of bracelets...

Thufir
2009-06-09, 06:12 AM
Would everyone please rise for The National Anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-7MeqSIj4E)...

by Radiohead.

Would anyone like a cucumber sandwich?

I'm afraid there were no cucumbers to be had, not even for ready money.

And Freefall is correct regarding the pronunciation of 'scone'.

Shanty Man
2009-06-09, 06:13 AM
Eye'm sorry (writin' in a Cornish accent) but Eye must insist apon the cornish national Anthem

A good sword and a trusty hand,
A merry heart and true!
King James's men shall understand
What Cornish lads can do.
And have they fixed the where and when?
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

And shall Trelawney live?
Or shall Trelawney die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

Out spake their Captain brave and bold:
A merry wight was he:
"If London Tower were Michael's hold,
We'll set Trelawney free!
We'll cross the Tamar, land to land,
The Severn is no stay:
With 'one and all', and hand in hand,
And who shall bid us nay?"

And shall Trelawney live?
Or shall Trelawney die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

"And when we come to London Wall,
A pleasent sight to view,
Come forth! come forth ye cowards all!
Here's men as good as you!
Trelawney he's in keep and hold:
Trelawney he may die:
But twenty thousand Cornish bold!
Will know the reason why!"

And shall Trelawney live?
Or shall Trelawney die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

The reason why!

Oggy! Oggy! Oggy!

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:20 AM
Eye'm sorry (writin' in a Cornish accent) but Eye must insist apon the cornish national Anthem

Come, all ye jolly Tinner boys, and listen to me;
I'll tell ее of a storie shall make ye for to see,
Consarning Boney Peartie, the schaames which he had maade
To stop our tin and copper mines, and all our pilchard traade.

Chorus- Hurea for tin and copper, boys, and fisheries likewise!
Hurea for Cornish maadens-Oh, bless their pretty eyes!
Hurea for our ould gentrie, and may they never faale!
Hurea, hurea for Cornwall! Hurea, boys, "one and ale!"

He summonsed forty thousand men, to Polland they did goa,
And for to rob and plunder there you very well do knawa;
But ten-thou-sand were killed, and laade dead in blood and goare,
And thirty thousand ranned away, and I cante tell where, I'm sure.

And should that Boney Peartie have forty thousand still
To make into an army to work his wicked will,
And try for to invaade us, if he doesnt quickly fly—
Why forty thousand Cornish boys shall knawa the reason why.

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:21 AM
Well, fish in batter, yes.

Now, pizza in batter? I've been tempted when I've visited Glasgow chippies. But what I really love about scots chip shops is onion rings the size of bracelets...

Don't the scotts have everything in batter? Even mars bars? :smalltongue:

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-09, 06:22 AM
Don't the scotts have everything in batter? Even mars bars? :smalltongue:

Deep fried curly wurly is a personal favourite of my stepdad. Has one every night when he visits his son.

And he wonders why he had a heart attack :smallwink:

Edit: I know heart attacks aren't funny, but even the doctors told him off for the deep fried sweets.

TheBST
2009-06-09, 06:23 AM
Don't the scotts have everything in batter? Even mars bars? :smalltongue:

I spilled a Scotsman's pint once and he threatened to batter me. They've turned cannibal!

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:23 AM
Don't the scotts have everything in batter?

Ye scottes certainly have many things in batter. Though not chips. That would be wrong.

I've never seen the Mars Bar thing. I always thought that was something a student tried once as a stunt and grew into an urban legend.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 06:26 AM
Where I come from we pronounce 'scone' to rhyme with 'gone'.

And who said we English were obnoxious, you daft apath?!

The latest OED lists both 'skon' and 'skone' as acceptable pronunciations of scone. However, I managed to acquire a dictionary from 1913, and 'skon' is the only listed entry. Therefore, I go with 'skon'.

Now onto the next debate: clotted cream then jam, or jam then clotted cream?

Followed by: is it acceptable to drink English Breakfast or another strong small-leaf blend after noon, or should a true Englishman switch to a more proper Earl Grey or Darjeeling at that point in the day?

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:26 AM
Look, the point is, keep the batter for the sausages and fish. The chips and chocolate bars are fine as they are.
They might as well call deep-fried Mars bars "Heart-Attack bars" :smallsigh:

:smalltongue:


The latest OED lists both 'skon' and 'skone' as acceptable pronunciations of scone. However, I managed to acquire a dictionary from 1913, and 'skon' is the only listed entry. Therefore, I go with 'skon'.

Skone sounds more British. :smalltongue:

St.Sinner
2009-06-09, 06:27 AM
Can we send some of our unwanted people over to you guys? Time to return the favour, I believe.

Is the weather there as bad as I've been led to believe?

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 06:29 AM
Ye scottes certainly have many things in batter. Though not chips. That would be wrong.

I've thought of the ultimate way to make a fortune in Scotland: batter and deep-fry some tankards made of beef jerky (it's practically leather anyway).

That's right: beer-battered beer! It'll make a killing (literally, given the state of the average Glaswiegan heart and liver).

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:30 AM
Can we send some of our unwanted people over to you guys? Time to return the favour, I believe.

Is the weather there as bad as I've been led to believe?

I wouldn't say "bad", I would just say extremely unpredictable.
In the winter it's pretty stable, pretty much always cold- gets dark and half four.
In the summer, it's either boiling hot or it randomly gets cold and starts to rain. :smallannoyed:

TheBST
2009-06-09, 06:30 AM
Skone sounds more British. :smalltongue:

More posh, you mean.



Followed by: is it acceptable to drink English Breakfast or another strong small-leaf blend after noon, or should a true Englishman switch to a more proper Earl Grey or Darjeeling at that point in the day?

He should switch to GUINNESS.




Is the weather there as bad as I've been led to believe?

Other places have worse weather, but nowhere has weather as depressing as Britain.

Shanty Man
2009-06-09, 06:31 AM
Come, all ye jolly Tinner boys, and listen to me;
I'll tell ее of a storie shall make ye for to see,
Consarning Boney Peartie, the schaames which he had maade
To stop our tin and copper mines, and all our pilchard traade.

Chorus- Hurea for tin and copper, boys, and fisheries likewise!
Hurea for Cornish maadens-Oh, bless their pretty eyes!
Hurea for our ould gentrie, and may they never faale!
Hurea, hurea for Cornwall! Hurea, boys, "one and ale!"

He summonsed forty thousand men, to Polland they did goa,
And for to rob and plunder there you very well do knawa;
But ten-thou-sand were killed, and laade dead in blood and goare,
And thirty thousand ranned away, and I cante tell where, I'm sure.

And should that Boney Peartie have forty thousand still
To make into an army to work his wicked will,
And try for to invaade us, if he doesnt quickly fly—
Why forty thousand Cornish boys shall knawa the reason why.

Thankyou very much but you could've just gone "Oi Oi Oi!"

Thufir
2009-06-09, 06:31 AM
Other places have worse weather, but nowhere has weather as depressing as Britain.

That's a matter of opinion. If you like rain...

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:32 AM
More posh, you mean.

Same thing. :smallbiggrin:
Posh is the real British! :smalltongue:

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:32 AM
Is it acceptable to drink English Breakfast or another strong small-leaf blend after noon, or should a true Englishman switch to a more proper Earl Grey or Darjeeling at that point in the day?

I thought there was only one kind of tea, and it is called PG Tips. I heard there were others, but they don't sound very appealing.

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:34 AM
Thankyou very much but you could've just gone "Oi Oi Oi!"

Yes, but us Cornish maidens deserve a hurrah!

Adlan
2009-06-09, 06:38 AM
I reckon that a Scone is Skon because, when I eats it, it's gone (said in norfolk dialect, that sound right).

Course, if I write that in broad norfolk Norfolk that go:

I recjon tha a Scone is Skon cause, when Oi eats it, i'Skon.

Proper (Propa) national Anthem for England is Jerusalem, accept no substitutes.

A Good Tea is Yorkshire Tea.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 06:40 AM
Same thing. :smallbiggrin:
Posh is the real British! :smalltongue:

A scone is traditionally a flat griddle-cake. They're food for the country folk: 'posh people' wouldn't be seen dead eating them. They're not even posh now - they're very Middle England.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 06:41 AM
I thought there was only one kind of tea, and it is called PG Tips. I heard there were others, but they don't sound very appealing.

PG Tips is a mediocre English Breakfast blend. Go to Whittard's.

St.Sinner
2009-06-09, 06:41 AM
I wouldn't say "bad", I would just say extremely unpredictable.
In the winter it's pretty stable, pretty much always cold- gets dark and half four.
In the summer, it's either boiling hot or it randomly gets cold and starts to rain. :smallannoyed:

I happen to love rain, actually. It sounds just like Australian weather, but on drugs. It gets dark at half-past four too here, and cold, but not as cold as what you have. In the summer it's oppressively hot, and can be unpredictable.

At least you don't have animals that are out to kill you.

Edit: And I just had a scone. Huzzah, I fit in!

Freefall
2009-06-09, 06:43 AM
PG Tips is a mediocre English Breakfast blend.

But... but... monkeys!

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-09, 06:43 AM
I happen to love rain, actually. It sounds just like Australian weather, but on drugs. It gets dark at half-past four too here, and cold, but not as cold as what you have. In the summer it's oppressively hot, and can be unpredictable.

At least you don't have animals that are out to kill you.

Edit: And I just had a scone. Huzzah, I fit in!

Clearly you've never walked round Liverpool at 1am.

And it's definitely 'skon'.

Oh and the cream goes over the jam. Anyone who says different is crazy.

loopy
2009-06-09, 06:45 AM
So its nice having dual Australian/British citizenship. :smallwink:

My mums from Scotland, apparently she still has an accent, not that I can tell.

TheBST
2009-06-09, 06:46 AM
Clearly you've never walked round Liverpool at 1am.

I resemble that remark.

I mean it's true but still...

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:46 AM
I happen to love rain, actually. It sounds just like Australian weather, but on drugs. It gets dark at half-past four too here, and cold, but not as cold as what you have. In the summer it's oppressively hot, and can be unpredictable.

At least you don't have animals that are out to kill you.

Edit: And I just had a scone. Huzzah, I fit in!


Rain isn't the problem, this is the problem
"Hmm, wow it's very warm out today. I'll put on a pair of jeans and a T-shirt."
40 minutes later
*Freezing, windy and rainy*
:smallannoyed:

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-09, 06:47 AM
I resemble that remark.

I mean it's true but still...

As do I. Hence why I came to uni in York.

St.Sinner
2009-06-09, 06:51 AM
Clearly you've never walked round Liverpool at 1am.

And it's definitely 'skon'.

Oh and the cream goes over the jam. Anyone who says different is crazy.

No, I've never walked round Liverpool at 1 am. What happens in Liverpool at 1 am?

I've always said 'skone'...

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:56 AM
Speaking of Liverpool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc9exCMD_cQ&feature=PlayList&p=76BEAA453237CCFB&index=0)

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-09, 07:01 AM
No, I've never walked round Liverpool at 1 am. What happens in Liverpool at 1 am?

I've always said 'skone'...

All the angry yobos gain the cover of darkness to prey on potential mugging victims (esp drunk students) without any police around.

Susil
2009-06-09, 07:03 AM
(Or Sheffield-style, with a dash of Henderson's Relish.)


You win.


That is all.

Wraithy
2009-06-09, 07:23 AM
Only if they are served northern style, in gravy. (Or Sheffield-style, with a dash of Henderson's Relish.)

Or Essex style with STIs :smalltongue:

What? We all know that the day chlamydia turns fatal is the day my county burns :smalleek:

Tamburlaine
2009-06-09, 07:55 AM
...Henderson's Relish...

Yes. Gods yes. I love that stuff, but I can't get it down here in Bristol... <sniff>:smallfrown:

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 07:59 AM
Same thing. :smallbiggrin:
Posh is the real British! :smalltongue:

Only really posh people can trace back their relatives really far.

For instance, our family is so British that we have a relative that signed King Charles I Death Warrent. (Anthony Stapely)

And his son was knighted in the restoration.


... Sorry about that...




...Henderson's Relish...


This must be the Sauce of GODS!

Although I live in the south, we have reletives in Yorkshire that send it down to us!

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-09, 08:02 AM
Only really posh people can trace back their relatives really far.

For instance, our family is so British that we have a relative that signed King Charles I Death Warrent. (Anthony Stapely)

And his son was knighted in the restoration.

Holy S*** that's British.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 08:03 AM
Holy S*** that's British.

Yes. You REGICIDE! Off with his head! We restored the monarchy for a reason. Damned if I know what reason it was though. Thoroughly silly idea.

Charity
2009-06-09, 08:06 AM
Can we send some of our unwanted people over to you guys? Time to return the favour, I believe.

Is the weather there as bad as I've been led to believe?

Sorry we still have a surfit ourselves...

Currently due to forum banned topic I am not feeling very proud of being British.

The weather... well we turned our heating back on last night... (over here June is summer btw)

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 08:09 AM
Sorry we still have a surfit ourselves...

Currently due to forum banned topic I am not feeling very proud of being British.

It's surfeit, not surfit. I can't help notice these things, I'm sorry.
"Patriotism is the willingness to die for your country; Nationalism the willingness to make other people die for theirs."
Such kneejerk reactions at the polls to economic downturn don't come as a surprise to me though.

dish
2009-06-09, 08:16 AM
Sorry we still have a surfit ourselves...

Currently due to forum banned topic I am not feeling very proud of being British.

The weather... well we turned our heating back on last night... (over here June is summer btw)

Poor Charity.

I have two pieces of comfort (? maybe?):

1. Pendulums swing. We're both old enough to have lived through a few of those swings. This too shall pass.

2. Try living as an expat in another country ... say, just to pull an example out of the air ... the Peoples' Republic of China. It's amazing what a different perspective it can give you on good old Blighty.

KuReshtin
2009-06-09, 09:10 AM
Deep fried Pizzas are pretty vile, to be honest. Then again, the one I had wasnt even battered, the guy just took on o' them frozen budget pizzas from FarmFoods and folded it in half and then dipped it in the fryer.

The deep fried Mars bar is real. Never had one myself, though.

And for the love of [insert relevant deity here] it's "Scots" with one 't'.

Adlan
2009-06-09, 09:44 AM
Only really posh people can trace back their relatives really far.


Not so. My Family can trace back direct descent to the 1600's. M Familey have alway's been Norfolkmen, but I'd be very surprised to have anyone described dirt poor norfolk farmers and craftsmen, as posh.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 09:52 AM
Not so. My Family can trace back direct descent to the 1600's. M Familey have alway's been Norfolkmen, but I'd be very surprised to have anyone described dirt poor norfolk farmers and craftsmen, as posh.

I was joking.... Anyone can trace their family if they put in the time and effort.

Shanty Man
2009-06-09, 09:57 AM
Yes, but us Cornish maidens deserve a hurrah!

Have you ever been to a Cornwall rugby match?

Dihan
2009-06-09, 10:00 AM
I was joking.... Anyone can trace their family if they put in the time and effort.

Indeed. There's one Welsh family that has trace their family back to the 800s... Well, it's easy for them considering they're the descendants of Welsh royalty.

Freefall
2009-06-09, 10:01 AM
Have you ever been to a Cornwall rugby match?

I'm afraid not. I have a Cornish/Devon surname, is all.

Dr. Bath
2009-06-09, 10:05 AM
Sorry we still have a surfit ourselves...

Currently due to forum banned topic I am not feeling very proud of being British.

UGH. Sadly I have to agree with this.

Not good.

AND the tube drivers are being selfish, greedy and idiotic. Hate Bob Crow. So. Much.


Oh and the cream goes over the jam. Anyone who says different is crazy.

You are the crazy one! Cream obviously goes on first, for both aesthetic and structural purposes.

Totally Guy
2009-06-09, 10:08 AM
I'm not happy either, currently living in one of those counties. I'm worried that I'm surrounded by bad people. And with each day I'm seeing evidence of this.

Freefall
2009-06-09, 10:12 AM
Our family is so British that we have a relative that signed King Charles I's death warrant. (Anthony Stapely)

Hurrah for the Good Old Cause!

Charity
2009-06-09, 10:12 AM
Damn it I even looked that up DI, and then forgot to edit it, I'm a tiny bit dexlestick on the quiet.
Suprised no, disappointed very much so...


Poor Charity.

I have two pieces of comfort (? maybe?):

1. Pendulums swing. We're both old enough to have lived through a few of those swings. This too shall pass.

2. Try living as an expat in another country ... say, just to pull an example out of the air ... the Peoples' Republic of China. It's amazing what a different perspective it can give you on good old Blighty.

Yeah I know missus, I remember being arrested in the 80's for demonstrating against these guys... I'd really hoped we'd moved on.
I imagine you do get a bit more perspective from such an angle.


You are the crazy one! Cream obviously goes on first, for both aesthetic and structural purposes.

You're messing with me now! Cream on top man, anything else is madness!

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 10:13 AM
Yeah I know missus, I remember being arrested in the 80's for demonstrating against these guys... I'd really hoped we'd moved on.
I imagine you do get a bit more perspective from such an angle.

On a tenuously connected note, This Is England was excellent.
YOU READ THE WHITE TEXT! AWESOME!

Freefall
2009-06-09, 10:15 AM
I'm not happy either, currently living in one of those counties. I'm worried that I'm surrounded by bad people. And with each day I'm seeing evidence of this.

And yet Griffin's grisly crew actually lost votes in this election, performing worse than in the last. That they got seats at all was because the overall turnout was so low. If that can be reversed we can turf the whole horrid crew out of Strasbourg. Just goes to show the importance of voting.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 10:18 AM
And yet Griffin's grisly crew actually lost votes in this election, performing worse than in the last. That they got seats at all was because the overall turnout was so low. If that can be reversed we can turf the whole horrid crew out of Strasbourg. Just goes to show the importance of voting.

THEY WON A SEAT ON MY COUNCIL! ARGH!

KuReshtin
2009-06-09, 11:05 AM
And yet Griffin's grisly crew actually lost votes in this election, performing worse than in the last. That they got seats at all was because the overall turnout was so low. If that can be reversed we can turf the whole horrid crew out of Strasbourg. Just goes to show the importance of voting.

In Sweden, the Pirate Party got two seats in the European Council.
I thought that was pretty funny.

Nameless
2009-06-09, 11:08 AM
In Sweden, the Pirate Party got two seats in the European Council.
I thought that was pretty funny.

I think we should stop discussing politics before a mod see--- Wait WHAT?!?!

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 11:08 AM
In Sweden, the Pirate Party got two seats in the European Council.
I thought that was pretty funny.

Yeah I heard that, it made me laugh

I think they campaigned for reformation of copyright and patent law. They secured around 7% of Swedish votes.

END OF POLITICS

dish
2009-06-09, 11:18 AM
Back to scones:

1. "Skon" can sound posh as well - just try having afternoon tea in Morningside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morningside,_Edinburgh). You only believe that "skone" is posh because it's the default southern-English (and hence, the R.P (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Received_pronunciation).) pronunciation.

2. Jam first, then cream. The jam sticks to the scone and then the cream sits atop. Otherwise the cream will slide off the scone and the jam won't stick to anything.

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 11:19 AM
I think we should stop discussing politics before a mod see--- Wait WHAT?!?!

I think he said Pirate Party.
I wonder if there's a Ninja Party and maybe even a Cowboy Party.

Totally Guy
2009-06-09, 11:21 AM
The current York uni president won his election using the "Arr I'm a pirate" routine. I'd like to think that his was the orginal idea.:smalltongue:

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 11:22 AM
The current York uni president won his election using the "Arr I'm a pirate" routine. I'd like to think that his was the orginal idea.:smalltongue:

So would I. Because that would York so awesome (They'd be the Pirate town of England!) :smallbiggrin:

KuReshtin
2009-06-09, 11:22 AM
Only posted it because it was funny.
No more politics from me.

Grlump had it right, though.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 11:22 AM
Back to scones:

1. "Skon" can sound posh as well - just try having afternoon tea in Morningside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morningside,_Edinburgh). You only believe that "skone" is posh because it's the default southern-English (and hence, the R.P (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Received_pronunciation).) pronunciation.


But I live in the South-East and nearly everyone down here says ScOWN, not SKON

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 11:23 AM
Back to scones:

1. "Skon" can sound posh as well - just try having afternoon tea in Morningside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morningside,_Edinburgh). You only believe that "skone" is posh because it's the default southern-English (and hence, the R.P (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Received_pronunciation).) pronunciation.


Recieved pronunciation isn't southern. RP is based mainly on the east midlands accent (or was that the west? I can never remember and I'm too proud to check).

Southerners almost inevitable speak that abominable, foul-sounding non-dialect known as Estuary English. Apart from the south-west, obviously.

EDIT: Quick bit of political plugging: VOTE MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY!

KuReshtin
2009-06-09, 11:25 AM
So would I. Because that would York so awesome (They'd be the Pirate town of England!) :smallbiggrin:

Everyone knows Yorkites (Yorkies? Yorkers? Yorks? Oh, who cares? :smallsmile:) can't be pirates as they're all decendants from Vikings anyways.

Not that that's a bad thing, though.

dish
2009-06-09, 11:29 AM
Recieved pronunciation isn't southern. RP is based mainly on the east midlands accent (or was that the west? I can never remember and I'm too proud to check).

Southerners almost inevitable speak that abominable, foul-sounding non-dialect known as Estuary English. Apart from the south-west, obviously.

EDIT: Quick bit of political plugging: VOTE MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY!

Well, RP originally came from Oxford and Cambridge. But that's still "southern" English if you're viewing it from Edinburgh.

I was using 'skon' to rhyme with 'gone' and 'skone' to rhyme with 'moan' - so I agree with you Grlump. (At least I think I do. It'd help if we could post in IPA.)

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 11:31 AM
Everyone knows Yorkites (Yorkies? Yorkers? Yorks? Oh, who cares? :smallsmile:) can't be pirates as they're all decendants from Vikings anyways.

Not that that's a bad thing, though.

*Points to the Viking blood in his own veins*
Yargh. But Vikings were a sort of pirate anyway. They robbed, murdered and pillaged and they had boats for pillaging.

EDIT: And yes, we should vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party, for these reasons. (http://www.omrlp.com/index.php?page=manifestoproposals-1)

Thufir
2009-06-09, 11:37 AM
So would I. Because that would York so awesome (They'd be the Pirate town of England!) :smallbiggrin:

You're forgetting the famous Pirates of Penzance!

dish
2009-06-09, 11:38 AM
*Points to the Viking blood in his own veins*
Yargh. But Vikings were a sort of pirate anyway. They robbed, murdered and pillaged and they had boats for pillaging.
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Fred, love, half the British Isles has Viking blood in its veins. (Also Pictish, Celtic, Saxon, Roman, Norman - the Vikings again just in a Frenchified guise.) It's not just the Americans who can claim to be mongrels.

I'm probably a quarter Celtic, a quarter Pictish, a quarter Viking and a quarter Norman. But I'm guessing some Saxon and Roman got mixed in as well.

(Also: stop it. Please.)

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 11:38 AM
You're forgetting the famous Pirates of Penzance!

Of course.
I have never seen that opera, but I think I should.


EDIT: I'm 1/4 Irish and the rest of me is English. I don't think you can say anyone is truly English anymore, we've all got some sort of foreign ethnicity in our blood somewhere.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 11:39 AM
EDIT: And yes, we should vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party, for these reasons. (http://www.omrlp.com/index.php?page=manifestoproposals-1)

I especially like no. 59,


To keep our nation on it's toes, we should have a minimum of 2 nuclear war drills a day.

and 82,


It is proposed that everyone in England should buy one hundred square meters (or be subsidized to do so) of France.
The English would then own France, saving a lot of arguments, and winning us another UN veto...
After owning France, It is proposed that we should rent it back to the French
Then we should start on Germany.

Kaelaroth
2009-06-09, 11:40 AM
I live in Britland.


Surely it's 'A New England' by Billy Bragg?

Lahv that song!

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 11:41 AM
I especially like no. 59,


and 82,

Indeed. Those are awesome ideas.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 11:42 AM
You're forgetting the famous Pirates of Penzance!

MG - The Pirates of Penzance, I've often heard of them

M - All except this gentleman, who was a pirate once but is out of his endentures and means to lead a blameless life..

MG - Wait a minute, I object to Pirates as Sons in Law

PK - Well we object to Major-Generals as Fathers in Law, but we wave that point, we do not press it. We look Over it...


Ah, I love Gilbert and Sulivan. I was in a production of Pirates in November, where I played Samuel. :smallsmile:

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 11:48 AM
EDIT: I'm 1/4 Irish and the rest of me is English. I don't think you can say anyone is truly English anymore, we've all got some sort of foreign ethnicity in our blood somewhere.

Considering that it is commonly accepted that the human race originated in eastern Africa, nobody can really claim to truly be anything other than African. Ethnicity is an illusion.

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 11:49 AM
Considering that it is commonly accepted that the human race originated in eastern Africa, nobody can really claim to truly be anything other than African. Ethnicity is an illusion.

Exactly. An illusion which we often use to justify hate for other people.

dish
2009-06-09, 11:49 AM
Of course.
I have never seen that opera, but I think I should.

With cat-like tread,
Upon our prey we steal;
In silence dread,
Our cautious way we feel.
No sound at all!
We never speak a word;
A fly's foot-fall
Would be distinctly heard--
It's good. I prefer Pinafore, but all Gilbert and Sullivan is good.


EDIT: I'm 1/4 Irish and the rest of me is English. I don't think you can say anyone is truly English anymore, we've all got some sort of foreign ethnicity in our blood somewhere.

Well, the term "English" originally referred to the Angles who came over from south Denmark with the Saxons. And "British" referred to those Picts who got shoved over into Wales by the aforementioned Saxons (after being Romanised by the great Empire). Then we've got to consider the Danelaw... But remember that the Scots came from Ireland and the Picts came from Scotland, and you'll never go wrong.

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 11:50 AM
With cat-like tread,
Upon our prey we steal;
In silence dread,
Our cautious way we feel.
No sound at all!
We never speak a word;
A fly's foot-fall
Would be distinctly heard--
It's good. I prefer Pinafore, but all Gilbert and Sullivan is good.



Well, the term "English" originally referred to the Angles who came over from south Denmark with the Saxons. And "British" referred to those Picts who got shoved over into Wales by the aforementioned Saxons (after being Romanised by the great Empire). Then we've got to consider the Danelaw... But remember that the Scots came from Ireland and the Picts came from Scotland, and you'll never go wrong.

But, but, but, but, but... confusing. :smallconfused: Please stop.

dish
2009-06-09, 12:01 PM
I was partially referencing 1066 And All That (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_and_All_That)- which contains "all the English history you can remember" including "five bad kings" and "two dates".

I think it's probably been out of print for a long time.

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 12:03 PM
I was partially referencing 1066 And All That (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_and_All_That)- which contains "all the English history you can remember" including "five bad kings" and "two dates".

I think it's probably been out of print for a long time.

Head hurts. Exams tomorrow. Argleblargle. :smallbiggrin:
*Huggles nearest person for comfort*
Don't fight the huggle, be the huggle. :smallbiggrin:

Freefall
2009-06-09, 12:06 PM
Well, the term "English" originally referred to the Angles who came over from south Denmark with the Saxons.

Bloody Angles. What have they ever done for us? Come over here, stealing our jobs...

bosssmiley
2009-06-09, 12:07 PM
I was partially referencing 1066 And All That (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_and_All_That)- which contains "all the English history you can remember" including "five bad kings" and "two dates".

I think it's probably been out of print for a long time.

Thankfully, that's where you're wrong (http://www.amazon.co.uk/1066-All-That-W-C-Sellar/dp/0413772705). That (and the Molesworth books) taught me all I ever needed to know about history, foreigners, oiks, weeds like Eggsworth2, and gurls. :smallbiggrin:

dish
2009-06-09, 12:09 PM
Head hurts. Exams tomorrow. Argleblargle. :smallbiggrin:
*Huggles nearest person for comfort*
Don't fight the huggle, be the huggle. :smallbiggrin:

I'm sorry. I hope it's not a history exam. Have a big, big, huggle.

@Freefall ^^: Ok, that made me giggle.
@ da boss ^: Yaaay! Good news!

Edit: I also loved Molesworth.

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 12:11 PM
I'm sorry. I hope it's not a history exam. Have a big, big, huggle.

@Freefall ^^: Ok, that made me giggle.
@ da boss ^: Yaaay! Good news!

No, History is on Thursday afternoon. Tomorrow is French and Science. Although I do have a History revision class tomorrow. *Accepts the huggle* I like huggles.
:biggrin:

Freefall
2009-06-09, 12:18 PM
molesworth is grate. but not molesworth 2 his bro, chiz chiz

power the atommick laser peason! set nuclear pile to nine million! aim at fotherington-thomas who is a gurly wet and weed skipping across to the skool dorm saying 'hullo clouds hullo sky'!

FIRE!!!!

KuReshtin
2009-06-09, 12:37 PM
But remember that the Scots came from Ireland and the Picts came from Scotland, and you'll never go wrong.

Also remember that the KuReshtin came from Sweden. :biggrin: So I'm really viking-y.

Faceist
2009-06-09, 12:57 PM
I venture into this thread only reluctantly, for, being of Scottish descent, I am wary of the many wiles of the English devil. In fact, I'm only here to rally the Welsh to join us in a most glorious insurrection... :smalltongue:

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 01:00 PM
I venture into this thread only reluctantly, for, being of Scottish descent, I am wary of the many wiles of the English devil. In fact, I'm only here to rally the Welsh to join us in a most glorious insurrection... :smalltongue:

And the Cornish, Irish and Frenchmen of Bretange to form the breakaway League of Celtic States!

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 01:05 PM
I venture into this thread only reluctantly, for, being of Scottish descent, I am wary of the many wiles of the English devil. In fact, I'm only here to rally the Welsh to join us in a most glorious insurrection... :smalltongue:

We ain't all that bad guvna. Apples and pears, dog and bone, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.
Gooday ol' chap, I say, it's totally spiffing today isn't it. *Is conked on the head* Sent my tweed all funny there, as I live and breathe as I live and breathe. :smalltongue:

unstattedCommoner
2009-06-09, 01:13 PM
You're forgetting the famous Pirates of Penzance!

Oh better far to live and die
Under the brave black flag I fly
Than play a sanctimonious part
With a pirate head and a pirate heart
Off to the cheating world go you
Where pirates all are well-to-do,
But I'll be true to the song I sing,
And live and die a Pirate King!

For I am a Pirate King! (You are!
Hurrah for our Pirate King!)
And it is, it is a glorious thing
To be a Pirate King! (It is!
Hurrah for our Pirate King!)

When I sally forth to seek my prey
I help myself in a royal way
I violate more copyrights, it's true,
Than a well-bred monarch ought to do.
But many a king on a first-class throne
If he wants to call his crown his own
Must somehow manage to get through
More dirty work than ever I do

Though I am a Pirate King! (You are!
Hurrah for our Pirate King!)
And it is, it is a glorious thing
To be a Pirate King! (It is!
Hurrah for our Pirate King!)

Nameless
2009-06-09, 01:13 PM
I venture into this thread only reluctantly, for, being of Scottish descent, I am wary of the many wiles of the English devil. In fact, I'm only here to rally the Welsh to join us in a most glorious insurrection... :smalltongue:

The English will prevail! :smalltongue:

Recaiden
2009-06-09, 01:15 PM
And the Cornish, Irish and Frenchmen of Bretange to form the breakaway League of Celtic States!

I think I count as three of those. And as British, and as none of those. So what then?

Freefall
2009-06-09, 01:27 PM
We ain't all that bad guvna. Apples and pears, dog and bone, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.

'Ave a banana!


And the Cornish, Irish and Frenchmen of Bretange to form the breakaway League of Celtic States!

Our shield wall will stand firm against your horde of malignants!

Freefall
2009-06-09, 01:30 PM
The English will prevail!

Ready Fireball. The first Celt comes round that corner gets it!

Fredthefighter
2009-06-09, 01:32 PM
'Ave a banana!

Indeed my good chum. *Blows bubbles gently from a novelty pipe* Quite. :smallbiggrin:

bladedSmoke
2009-06-09, 01:33 PM
As an Englishman, can I just say that I hate it when an American calls me "British?"

:smallannoyed:

On the flip side, I'd have no idea what state they're from, so I suppose I can't blame them in the least. :smalltongue:

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-09, 01:34 PM
As an Englishman, can I just say that I hate it when an American calls me "British?"

:smallannoyed:

On the flip side, I'd have no idea what state they're from, so I suppose I can't blame them in the least. :smalltongue:

Yes, but there's a difference between a state and a country, even if American states are often larger than our country.

Eldpollard
2009-06-09, 01:36 PM
As an Englishman, can I just say that I hate it when an American calls me "British?"

:smallannoyed:

On the flip side, I'd have no idea what state they're from, so I suppose I can't blame them in the least. :smalltongue:

But you are British... Wales, Scotland and England are all part of Britain.

bladedSmoke
2009-06-09, 01:36 PM
Yes, but there's a difference between a state and a country, even if American states are often larger than our country.

True, but I'm not going to accuse anyone of cultural ignorance unless I actually know more about their culture than they know of mine. :smallamused:

T-O-E
2009-06-09, 02:04 PM
It does annoy me when people refer to 'England' as 'Britain'.

unstattedCommoner
2009-06-09, 02:08 PM
It does annoy me when people refer to 'England' as 'Britain'.

And vice-versa.

Dogmantra
2009-06-09, 02:09 PM
I'm Half-English, Half-Irish!
High five then, for Britain itp!

Nameless
2009-06-09, 02:11 PM
It does annoy me when people refer to 'England' as 'Britain'.

Hell yeah. I remember one of out first assignments at my college was to draw was to draw different parts of the world from memory.
When asked to draw “England”, everyone drew Britain and when they looked at my drawing (which was just England on it’s own) they thought I was mad. :smallsigh:

unstattedCommoner
2009-06-09, 02:15 PM
Hell yeah. I remember one of out first assignments at my college was to draw was to draw different parts of the world from memory.
When asked to draw “England”, everyone drew Britain and when they looked at my drawing (which was just England on it’s own) they thought I was mad. :smallsigh:

That reminds me of an EU publication a while back, featuring a map of Europe which omitted Wales from Britain. I remember this because it was shown on Have I Got News For You at the time.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 02:16 PM
I remember that

Kantur
2009-06-09, 02:17 PM
It does annoy me when people refer to 'England' as 'Britain'.

I'd much rather people ask if I'm from Britain than ask if I'm from England. But then, I'm from Scotland... :smalltongue:

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-09, 02:51 PM
That reminds me of an EU publication a while back, featuring a map of Europe which omitted Wales from Britain. I remember this because it was shown on Have I Got News For You at the time.

That did make me chuckle.

Also, pick your favourite:
Have I Got News For You
Never Mind The Buzzcocks
QI
Mock The Week
<Insert forgotten panel show here>

Dogmantra
2009-06-09, 02:59 PM
QI
Stephen Fry should be the new King. And Ruler of the Universe.

Dihan
2009-06-09, 03:06 PM
It does annoy me when people refer to 'England' as 'Britain'.

I agree.

When I've on holiday in the USA in the past, people ask where I'm from because of my "strange accent". I simply answer with "Wales". The majority of the time they reply with something like "That's in England, right?" or "Oh! I've always wanted to go to England!".

I think they need their ears cleaned.

unstattedCommoner
2009-06-09, 03:09 PM
That did make me chuckle.

Also, pick your favourite:
Have I Got News For You
Never Mind The Buzzcocks
QI
Mock The Week
<Insert forgotten panel show here>

If I Ruled the World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_I_Ruled_the_World_(game_show))

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-09, 03:13 PM
Updated:

Pick your favourite:
Have I Got News For You
Never Mind The Buzzcocks
QI
Mock The Week
If I Ruled The World
Who's Line Is It Anyway (Clive Anderson only)
<Insert forgotten panel show here>

Forbidden:
Argumental (because it is rubbish)

bladedSmoke
2009-06-09, 03:15 PM
Updated:

Pick your favourite:
Have I Got News For You
QI


I would rather choose a favourite between my firstborn children than between these two. :smalltongue:

Dr. Bath
2009-06-09, 03:22 PM
'I'm sorry, I haven't a clue' isn't there? What is this.

There's something wrong with you people! For shame.

Personally, I see myself as British before anything else, as it should be, since that is the broadest term. After that it's just Anglo-Celtic, to be honest, people (often) move around enough to not really be considered any region in particular. And if you go by genes you end up with the Scots being almost the same as the Irish (But don't tell them)

KuReshtin
2009-06-09, 03:29 PM
Updated:

Pick your favourite:

QI


Any day of the week, and twice in Sunday.

Stephen Fry will rule us all as king.

Dogmantra
2009-06-09, 03:30 PM
When I've on holiday in the USA in the past, people ask where I'm from because of my "strange accent". I simply answer with "Wales". The majority of the time they reply with something like "That's in England, right?" or "Oh! I've always wanted to go to England!".
There are two solutions here:
1. Don't go to America
2. Cut off their limbs with a chainsaw. They might have said "That's in England, right?", but they meant "I want to be in pain right now"

unstattedCommoner
2009-06-09, 03:34 PM
Also, Take Notice:


Well, after this years late Christmas meetup failed to happen, and the thread for it has disappeared into oblivion, I was wondering if there's still any UK playgrounders who want to try to sort out one for around August time? :smallsmile:


The details so far!

Where: Peterborough (still need a venue organised)
When: July - August timeish possibleness
Who: You!

Shanty Man
2009-06-09, 03:37 PM
'I'm sorry, I haven't a clue' isn't there? What is this.

There's something wrong with you people! For shame.

Personally, I see myself as British before anything else, as it should be, since that is the broadest term. After that it's just Anglo-Celtic, to be honest, people (often) move around enough to not really be considered any region in particular. And if you go by genes you end up with the Scots being almost the same as the Irish (But don't tell them)

Thankyou for metioning clue (although strickly speaking it isn't a panel game)
It was amazing (all hail the sadly departed Humph)
Incidenyly I think of myself as British or Cornish, never English.

Player_Zero
2009-06-09, 03:39 PM
I miss Fish 'n' Chips. They're all being replaced with Kebab shops now. :smallfrown:

Feesh and cheeps. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEqBnQOUw4)

bladedSmoke
2009-06-09, 03:46 PM
Thankyou for metioning clue (although strickly speaking it isn't a panel game)


It's the antidote. :smalltongue:

Freefall
2009-06-09, 03:52 PM
It's the antidote.

I suggest a game of Mornington Crescent. Trumpington's Rules and no more than one move out of Nip unless moving counterclockwise. Circle Line is in play, but slow service.

I shall lead with: Old Street.

Wraithy
2009-06-09, 03:53 PM
Feesh and cheeps. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEqBnQOUw4)

I miss that series. Even if only because...
The clown is sent back in time by a piece of bread to save the lives of his parents (who are incidentally the King and Queen of Monaco).

unstattedCommoner
2009-06-09, 03:53 PM
'I'm sorry, I haven't a clue' isn't there? What is this.


It returns next week, with Stephen Fry in the chair.

Adlan
2009-06-09, 03:54 PM
I'm 1/4 Irish and the rest of me is English. I don't think you can say anyone is truly English anymore, we've all got some sort of foreign ethnicity in our blood somewhere.

To be truly English is to be a Mongrel. Thats why we are the best. Alloys are stronger.

I participated in genetic survey's of the UK (my grandfathers grandfathers grandfather all lived in the same area). They tested Y chromosomes to find out the level of ethnic displacement in the UK.

Turns out, Norfolk and Yorkshire are the Most Viking/Anglosaxon area's in the UK, at 50%. The Rest is Brition, the same genetic celtic group as Irish, Scots, Welsh and Cornish. Not to mention that pretty much all of us have the DNA of the beaker people, and the early huntergather's that inhabited this isle, and the rest of northern europe.

The current view is of cultural displacement, not ethnic displacement.

To be English is a Mongrel. And be Dam proud of it.

Fifty-Eyed Fred
2009-06-09, 03:57 PM
It does annoy me when people refer to 'England' as 'Britain'.

Indeed, it's ridiculous. Then again, the amount of ethnic barriers within the UK is staggering, especially since we're so mixed by blood most Brits could trace their nationality to about 10 countries, and that's only within the past couple millennia...

I'm English though, lol. Then you have my Irish relatives (Northern Irish Protestants, which weirdly enough makes them still British and probably related to English and Normans as well) then you have several obscure relatives like some German Jews, some Portuguese Jews, etc. I have an Anglo-Saxon surname though, that must count for something. So what the hell am I at the end of the day; some kind of trifle?

People only pick up on the Irish though, probably due to my hair :smallwink:.


To be truly English is to be a Mongrel. Thats why we are the best. Alloys are stronger.
Hell yes.

Sub_Zero
2009-06-09, 03:57 PM
I agree.

When I've on holiday in the USA in the past, people ask where I'm from because of my "strange accent". I simply answer with "Wales". The majority of the time they reply with something like "That's in England, right?" or "Oh! I've always wanted to go to England!".

I think they need their ears cleaned.

I know someone in my village who has a very strong Yorkshire accent. Apparently when he went to America the hotel staff didn't think he spoke English. I think he was quite annoyed about that

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 03:58 PM
That did make me chuckle.

Also, pick your favourite:
Have I Got News For You
Never Mind The Buzzcocks
QI
Mock The Week
<Insert forgotten panel show here>

Lets not forget Just a Minute. (Shame about Clement Freud)

And Clue, of course (I was v. sad when Humph died)


It returns next week, with Stephen Fry in the chair.

I'll be listening, it should be good with Stephen Fry, but I don't feel he can fill Humph's shoes... :smallfrown:

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 04:04 PM
I suggest a game of Mornington Crescent. Trumpington's Rules and no more than one move out of Nip unless moving counterclockwise. Circle Line is in play, but slow service.

I shall lead with: Old Street.

I'll play: Paddington

Edit: Actually, I think this was played in the SMBG

Fifty-Eyed Fred
2009-06-09, 04:06 PM
Where are the rules for this game anyway?

Phaedra
2009-06-09, 04:06 PM
I'll be listening, it should be good with Stephen Fry, but I don't feel he can fill Humph's shoes... :smallfrown:

Yeah. I'm sure it'll be good, but I'll miss Humph's deadpan delivery. I don't see Stephen Fry relating Samantha's exploits in quite the same way. But I could be wrong.


Feesh and cheeps. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEqBnQOUw4)

I hate vinegar. I make a rubbish Englishman. Woman. Person.

unstattedCommoner
2009-06-09, 04:06 PM
I'll play: Paddington

Please don't play in this thread. Either continue the thread on the 2nd page in SMBG, or start a new thread in SMBG.

Adlan
2009-06-09, 04:26 PM
Where are the rules for this game anyway?

The Only rule I can tell you is this one.

Pretty soon, a winning move for me will be Taxi to my house. Effective under current international rules, and Littleton Standard play. Although in some regional varients, only a legal move if I'm in spoon, and not during rush hour.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-09, 04:30 PM
Where are the rules for this game anyway?

There aren't really any.

You win by getting to mornington crescent....

Um, that's it really...

Fifty-Eyed Fred
2009-06-09, 04:36 PM
Capital! I'd grab my tank, but it's over in SMBG.

bosssmiley
2009-06-09, 04:40 PM
Where are the rules for this game anyway?

"I spy strangers! Clear the gallery! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangers_(Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom))"

What are you, some sort of pretendy foreign ghost-devil person who has crept into the country in an attempt to steal our realness*? All true-born Englishmen know the rules of Mornington Crescent as they know those of cricket, fair play and country-stealing ("No flag? It's ours!"). :smallconfused:

If you have become temporarily deranged through exposure to the sun - or are suffering from minor amnesia - then the Encyclopedia Morningtonia (http://kevan.org/morningtonia) is probably your best online reintroduction to the game (although nothing substitutes for learning through play). Please note that the wikipedia article about the great game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_(game)) is full of lies and objectionable foreign influences, and should therefore be treated with the appropriate level of mistrust and disdain.

* British people are the only real people in the world. Everyone else is just a distorted, garbled echo resounding through the mists that surround our beloved nation. Remember: "Fog in the Channel - Continent cut off from existence"


I'm Half-English, Half-Irish!

Ah, the famous rigour and pragmatism of the Irish, combined with the lyricism and romance of the English soul. Oh, wait... :smallwink:

Freefall
2009-06-09, 04:45 PM
British people are the only real people in the world.

And frankly, out of the British people I am somewhat suspicious of those Scots, Welsh and Irish ones.

Fifty-Eyed Fred
2009-06-09, 04:46 PM
Yes, a cup of tea has brought me back to Great British Reality. I shall now hop onto the train to Charing Cross, with my suitcase full of scones and trusty cat, in order to meet with Her Majesty the Queen. For God and the Empire! *chocks away*

Nameless
2009-06-09, 04:48 PM
And frankly, out of the British people I am somewhat suspicious of those Scots, Welsh and Irish ones.

Yeah! Coming here, taking our jobs! e_e

Thufir
2009-06-09, 05:19 PM
There's a little group of isles beyond the wave —
So tiny, you might almost wonder where it is —
That nation is the bravest of the brave,
And cowards are the rarest of all rarities.
The proudest nations kneel at her command;
She terrifies all foreign-born rapscallions;
And holds the peace of Europe in her hand
With half a score invincible battalions!

Freefall
2009-06-09, 05:21 PM
Yeah! Coming here, taking our jobs!

The West Lothian Question rears its ugly head...

Nameless
2009-06-09, 06:47 PM
The West Lothian Question rears its ugly head...

And the Scotts lift up their skirts kilts. :smalleek:

bosssmiley
2009-06-10, 05:10 AM
The West Lothian Question rears its ugly head...

The West Lothian Question being "What is the West Lothian Question?" ("Recursion? English! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6JCsZZ5EdY)")

It's the Welsh I feel sorry for: doctors in Wales are being urged to treat depression with a strong dose of the Severn Bridge (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/depressed-welsh-patients-prescribed-severn-bridge-200904081689/).

KuReshtin
2009-06-10, 05:53 AM
And the Scotts lift up their skirts kilts. :smalleek:

Scotts? Like Scott Bakula, Scott Adams, Scott Niedermeyer and Scott Steiner?

I'd say that it's more likely that there would be a bunch of Scots wearing kilts. It's still spelled with only one T. :smallwink:

billtodamax
2009-06-10, 06:09 AM
*sniffs thread*
Ew, british. :smalltongue:

I was actually born in Britland, so I think I hold a dual citizenship. Or something. All I know is that we went there a couple of years back and my parents knew a lot of people in cambridge.

banjo1985
2009-06-10, 08:13 AM
I had a french breakfast this morning...am I banned from Britain? :smallfrown:

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-10, 08:16 AM
I had a french breakfast this morning...am I banned from Britain? :smallfrown:

As long as you have tea and toast for the next month you should be fine.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-10, 08:17 AM
As long as you have tea and toast for the next month you should be fine.

Or a full english or kippers.

banjo1985
2009-06-10, 08:23 AM
As long as you have tea and toast for the next month you should be fine.

I was wearing a monocle and a stovepipe hat at the time...so I think I'll be okay.

Toast and marmite for me for quite some time I think, just to be on the safe side.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-10, 08:23 AM
I was wearing a monocle and a stovepipe hat at the time...so I think I'll be okay.

Toast and marmite for me for quite some time I think, just to be on the safe side.

Stovepipe? I think not. Top hat or bowler, or get three across the Atlantic!

Exeson
2009-06-10, 08:26 AM
Well, I'm not in the habit of reading a whole thread before posting (maybe I should change that) but I just wanted to bring up the topic of Chavs.

Yes, I'm interested in your views on the scrawny little F***ers and exactly how we should go about 're-educating' them. My two stage plan involves a baseball bat and copious amounts of rage.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-10, 08:31 AM
Well, I'm not in the habit of reading a whole thread before posting (maybe I should change that) but I just wanted to bring up the topic of Chavs.


Two chavs are fighting on the edge of a cliff. Things get rougher, and they both tumble over the edge of the cliff still locked in combat, plummeting towards the sharp, spiky rocks below. Who wins the fight?

SOCIETY!

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-10, 08:35 AM
Well, I'm not in the habit of reading a whole thread before posting (maybe I should change that) but I just wanted to bring up the topic of Chavs.

Yes, I'm interested in your views on the scrawny little F***ers and exactly how we should go about 're-educating' them. My two stage plan involves a baseball bat and copious amounts of rage.

Since you're new here, I'll assume you meant a cricket bat and let you off this one time.

And I am personally a fan of the "light them on fire and toast bread over their charred corpse" approach.

Exeson
2009-06-10, 08:43 AM
Since you're new here, I'll assume you meant a cricket bat and let you off this one time.

And I am personally a fan of the "light them on fire and toast bread over their charred corpse" approach.

No, I meant a baseball bat, because at the moment cricket (what a horrible game) has not evolved sufficiently to have metal cricket bats, where as for once the American are ahead of the curve, excluding pie eating contests.

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-10, 08:47 AM
No, I meant a baseball bat, because at the moment cricket (what a horrible game) has not evolved sufficiently to have metal cricket bats, where as for once the American are ahead of the curve, excluding pie eating contests.

Then by all means purchase a quality set of golf clubs. But for th loveof God, don't sully yourself by using the implement of a "sport" that even American's don't like all that much.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-10, 08:58 AM
Then by all means purchase a quality set of golf clubs. But for th loveof God, don't sully yourself by using the implement of a "sport" that even American's don't like all that much.

No, it's fine, we invented baseball. It's effectively rounders, of course, which as we all know is a game for children more than anything else, but since they obviously don't have the mental faculties for cricket then they can have baseball.

dish
2009-06-10, 09:08 AM
In my opinion, the current fashion for the hatred and mockery of chavs (or whatever you call them in your part of the country - I've heard, "neds", "schemies", and "pikeys") is merely another example of the British obsession with class and refusal to abandon out-dated hierarchical systems.

I guess it also shows that the lower-middle and upper-working classes are insecure enough to need reassurance that there is a group lower than them on the socio-economic ladder.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-10, 09:25 AM
In my opinion, the current fashion for the hatred and mockery of chavs (or whatever you call them in your part of the country - I've heard, "neds", "schemies", and "pikeys") is merely another example of the British obsession with class and refusal to abandon out-dated hierarchical systems.

I guess it also shows that the lower-middle and upper-working classes are insecure enough to need reassurance that there is a group lower than them on the socio-economic ladder.

'Pikey' (or 'gypo') is a derogatory term for Irish travellers, actually, rather than chavs.

Chavs are a sociocultural grouping (like goths) rather than a class grouping. Chavs aren't necessarily working class, though they usually are. Not all lower-working class people are chavs.
You get unpleasant sociocultural groups at every level of society: bigotry being the vice of choice for the upper and middle classes.

Totally Guy
2009-06-10, 09:29 AM
I was recently wondering what the cultural differences were that had made sports vary so much in popularity around the world. And eventually an answer of sorts came to me.

There may be no cultural differences that caused the sports to be popular in the first place at all. But as social activities you're best off sharing the interest in the game with the biggest group, that way when the topic arises you have knowledge and an opinion to share. A sport is popular because the fans benefit from the game being more popular. From this position it gains momentum and becomes the cultural difference I was trying to find at the start.

dish
2009-06-10, 09:43 AM
'Pikey' (or 'gypo') is a derogatory term for Irish travellers, actually, rather than chavs.
Agreed, I know it refers to the travellers - though I didn't know it was specifically for Irish travellers - it's just I've heard it used to describe the same socio-economic group.


Chavs are a sociocultural grouping (like goths) rather than a class grouping. Chavs aren't necessarily working class, though they usually are. Not all lower-working class people are chavs.
You get unpleasant sociocultural groups at every level of society: bigotry being the vice of choice for the upper and middle classes.

I'm probably showing my age here, but when I first started hearing about "chavs" it was very definitely in reference to a socio-economic group. The group that had previously been known as the "white underclass". However, I did hear a BBC World Service programme which was discussing "chavs" as a youth sub-culture (I believe the youths were placing themselves directly in contrast to the more middle-class goths and emos), so I'm quite prepared to believe that the term has evolved while I've been out of the country, or that it has different meanings in different regions of the U.K.

(BTW, I grew up in Croydon - home of the infamous Croydon facelift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydon_facelift).)

Totally Guy
2009-06-10, 09:50 AM
I'm quite prepared to believe that the term has evolved while I've been out of the country, or that it has different meanings in different regions of the U.K.

The word was townie where I was until the word chav became popular.

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-10, 09:51 AM
I'm probably showing my age here, but when I first started hearing about "chavs" it was very definitely in reference to a socio-economic group. The group that had previously been known as the "white underclass". However, I did hear a BBC World Service programme which was discussing "chavs" as a youth sub-culture (I believe the youths were placing themselves directly in contrast to the more middle-class goths and emos), so I'm quite prepared to believe that the term has evolved while I've been out of the country, or that it has different meanings in different regions of the U.K.


Am I right in thinking that Chav has been added to the dictionary?

Fifty-Eyed Fred
2009-06-10, 10:00 AM
Yes you are, good sir.

Did you fine British folk know that the English language has just reached its one millionth word? It has been revealed as Web 2.0; I call foul! There is clearly a space between the particles "Web" and "2.0", making it a turn of phrase. They cannot cheat English this way!

TengYt
2009-06-10, 10:16 AM
Y'know, for once, I was thinking we might be having a decent summer here in North Wales. Three weeks of great sunshine, no clouds in the sky...

Then the rain started up again. Sigh. :smallsigh:

dish
2009-06-10, 10:19 AM
Yes you are, good sir.

Did you fine British folk know that the English language has just reached its one millionth word? It has been revealed as Web 2.0; I call foul! There is clearly a space between the particles "Web" and "2.0", making it a turn of phrase. They cannot cheat English this way!

From whence did you get this information? Because if it was from Paul J.J. Payack, or anyone using his research as a reference, I would like to refer you to this article (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=972) (and many more like it).

Dihan
2009-06-10, 10:27 AM
Y'know, for once, I was thinking we might be having a decent summer here in North Wales. Three weeks of great sunshine, no clouds in the sky...

Then the rain started up again. Sigh. :smallsigh:

I don't know where you are in the north, but we've had rain for at least the past week in Denbighshire.

I read about that "web 2.0" shenanigan. Apparently GLM, which is based in Texas, counts words as official if they've been used on the internet over 25,000 times. Proper dictionaries accept words based on how long it's been in use instead of how many times it has been used.

dish
2009-06-10, 10:31 AM
I read about that "web 2.0" shenanigan. Apparently GLM, which is based in Texas, counts words as official if they've been used on the internet over 25,000 times. Proper dictionaries accept words based on how long it's been in use instead of how many times it has been used.

GLM? Yep, that's Paul J.J. Payack's lot. According to the article I linked above, he's been announcing the 'millionth word' in the English language since 2006, and the rate his group claims the English language increases its vocabulary seems to correspond directly to his own personal publication schedule.

TengYt
2009-06-10, 10:32 AM
Hey, I'm in Denbighshire too :smallsmile: But yeah, I did mean to say we've had rain for the whole week, but somehow I forgot :smallconfused:

bosssmiley
2009-06-10, 10:43 AM
In my opinion, the current fashion for the hatred and mockery of chavs (or whatever you call them in your part of the country - I've heard, "neds", "schemies", and "pikeys") is merely another example of the British obsession with class and refusal to abandon out-dated hierarchical systems.

I guess it also shows that the lower-middle and upper-working classes are insecure enough to need reassurance that there is a group lower than them on the socio-economic ladder.

No Dish. Chavs really do exist, and they really are that bad.

Read any of the coppers blog books (Inspector Gadget, PC Ellie Bloggs, David Copperfield, Mike Pinkstone), or Theo Dalrymple's "Life at the Bottom: The Worldview that Makes the Underclass", or Charles Murray's "Underclass +10".

There is a segment of modern society that has grown up with no sense of decency, or of any sense of anything being more important in life than their own selfish pleasure. They are vicious, unsocialised, and lack respect for anything other than naked force. They are not only responsible for most of the petty crime in the country, but are also almost entirely parasitic on the taxpayer for their existence.

Chavs are real, and so are the problems they cause for decent people. Ignoring them, or claiming that 'chav' is merely a sneery middle-class construct, will not stop them from graffiti-ing your streets or kicking in your back door and stealing your TV. :smallannoyed:

Dihan
2009-06-10, 10:52 AM
I agree - chavs are a menace to society. Every other clique is fine really except these. I'd much rather walk past a gang of goths than walk past a gang of chavs. Actually, I shall now henceforth call a group of chavs an "intrusion" - much like the cockroach.


Hey, I'm in Denbighshire too :smallsmile: But yeah, I did mean to say we've had rain for the whole week, but somehow I forgot :smallconfused:

Ooooh whereabouts in Denbighshire? :smallbiggrin:

dish
2009-06-10, 10:53 AM
No Dish. Chavs really do exist, and they really are that bad.

Read any of the coppers blog books (Inspector Gadget, PC Ellie Bloggs, David Copperfield, Mike Pinkstone), or Theo Dalrymple's "Life at the Bottom: The Worldview that Makes the Underclass", or Charles Murray's "Underclass +10".

There is a segment of modern society that has grown up with no sense of decency, or of any sense of anything being more important in life than their own selfish pleasure. They are vicious, unsocialised, and lack respect for anything other than naked force. They are not only responsible for most of the petty crime in the country, but are also almost entirely parasitic on the taxpayer for their existence.

Chavs are real, and so are the problems they cause for decent people. Ignoring them, or claiming that 'chav' is merely a sneery middle-class construct, will not stop them from graffiti-ing your streets or kicking in your back door and stealing your TV. :smallannoyed:

While economic disadvantage and social deprivation certainly have a correlation with higher rates of crime, I don't believe that justifies those of us who come from more privileged backgrounds in stereotyping, mocking and demonising an entire socio-economic class.

TengYt
2009-06-10, 11:01 AM
Ooooh whereabouts in Denbighshire? :smallbiggrin:

Sunny Ruthin :)

In regards to Chavs, they are a menace. I come from a very poor background myself, definately in the lower end of working class, but that doesn't make me violent. If anything, chavs are people who give poorer folk and teenagers a bad name.

Dihan
2009-06-10, 11:03 AM
Sunny Ruthin :)

I have relatives in Ruthin! I live in Denbigh.

TengYt
2009-06-10, 11:06 AM
Small world :) My parents lived in Denbigh before I was born and my brother-in-law's family is from there.

Wraithy
2009-06-10, 11:07 AM
decent people
*Snigger*
Sorry 'bout that. When I meet some I'll take it back.

But yes, chavs do exist. To varying degrees of course, I know people I'd call chavs who do work, or are in education or training.
One of the complaints I've heard (and a reason so many chavs do stay unemployed and on benefits) is that most of the jobs which don't need skills are short term, and therefore not worth coming off the dole for.

Reforming the benefits system to be more targeted and better regulated, and improving the standards of free education (ie: not throwing pointless amounts of money at sports departments and instead allocating those funds usefully) are two of the best things that could be done to improve these people's lives. Sadly its allot easier said than done.

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-10, 11:08 AM
While economic disadvantage and social deprivation certainly have a correlation with higher rates of crime, I don't believe that justifies those of us who come from more privileged backgrounds in stereotyping, mocking and demonising an entire socio-economic class.

That's just the thing: we're not. There are many, many hard-working, honest, taxpaying, good-natured and polite folk in the working classes.
However, there are also large numbers of burberry-clad teenagers who hang around park benches drinking white lightning and starting fights with passerby.

Dihan
2009-06-10, 11:09 AM
Small world :) My parents lived in Denbigh before I was born and my brother-in-law's family is from there.

Indeed it is. My mother came from Ruthin and my father came from Mold.

On the topic of chavs: I blame the parents. :smallamused:

TengYt
2009-06-10, 11:10 AM
That's just the thing: we're not. There are many, many hard-working, honest, taxpaying, good-natured and polite folk in the working classes.
However, there are also large numbers of burberry-clad teenagers who hang around park benches drinking white lightning and starting fights with passerby.

Quoted for absolute truth.


Edit: Ah, Mold. Gotta love a town named after something you'd find under a rusty sink :smallamused:

Dihan
2009-06-10, 11:20 AM
Edit: Ah, Mold. Gotta love a town named after something you'd find under a rusty sink :smallamused:

Indeed. I personally prefer to call it Yr Wyddgrug - it doesn't sound as disgusting. :smalltongue:

TengYt
2009-06-10, 11:23 AM
IMO, most placenames round here sound much better in Welsh than in English. Dinbych sounds more natural than Denbigh, for example.

Exeson
2009-06-10, 11:24 AM
Well, around where I live it is actually not a poor area, (Aldershot) but it has a reputation for being very badwhen it comes to Chavs. Chavs are not so much a section of the population in the way that working class is. They are just a sub culture. I know ridiculously rich people who are still Chavs and still deserve to have their heads beaten in. Talk to any policeman and they will tell you they are trouble, just walk past a group of them on the street and they give you trouble for it. (but I'm a grunge/goth so maybe it is just me they give trouble :smallwink:)

Then again I live in surrey so chavs are only my second concern after Preps. But then again Jack Wills is just where rich kids go to look chavy.

Dihan
2009-06-10, 11:25 AM
I agree. Rhuthun sounds a lot better than Ruthin - oh wait... Umm yr Rhyl - no... Rhuddlan, Llanrhaedr, Henllan, Nantglyn, Llannefydd - GAH!...

St Asaph! Llanelwy is much better than St Asaph!

Totally Guy
2009-06-10, 11:27 AM
Yr Wyddgrug

No I'm not. :smallfrown: You're the weird ones!

:smalltongue:

Freefall
2009-06-10, 01:08 PM
I'm given to understand that in South Wales the Rhondda chavs are referred to as 'Valley Commandoes'.

Fredthefighter
2009-06-10, 03:23 PM
I'm given to understand that in South Wales the Rhondda chavs are referred to as 'Valley Commandoes'.

That is the coolest name for a chav I have ever heard. Damn, if I didn't know that they were chavs, I'd think they were cool (I have nothing personally against chavs as individuals, more of a hatred of the subculture it is often associated with and the examples of it I am exposed to in everyday life)

Freefall
2009-06-10, 04:24 PM
Go to Tenby on any night in July and I'll doubt you'll find them to be very cool...

TheBST
2009-06-10, 04:37 PM
Listen, I come from a long line of chav scumbags. My father was a scally before me, and his father was a townie dole-dosser before him and his father was a ned sock-robber before him!

When my great-great-grandfather came to this land from the old country, he came in steerage, on a boat full of other yobs who wanted nothing more than to start a new life of family, prayer, and petty crime. And this- this bigotry against my people better stop right now!

Dihan
2009-06-10, 04:38 PM
Go to Tenby on any night in July and I'll doubt you'll find them to be very cool...

That's another place that sounds better in Welsh - Dinbych-y-Pysgod. Which literally means "Small fort of the fish".

^: What is it Scousers say? "Calm down! Calm down!" :smalltongue:

Charity
2009-06-11, 02:24 AM
Well, around where I live it is actually not a poor area, (Aldershot) but it has a reputation for being very badwhen it comes to Chavs. Chavs are not so much a section of the population in the way that working class is.

Wooh, you're close.

In other news I seem to have run out of eggs :smallbiggrin:

Exeson
2009-06-11, 02:31 AM
Wooh, you're close.

O RLY?

How close?

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-11, 02:56 AM
That's another place that sounds better in Welsh - Dinbych-y-Pysgod. Which literally means "Small fort of the fish".

^: What is it Scousers say? "Calm down! Calm down!" :smalltongue:

<Ducks for cover as angry scousers charge Dihan>

Charity
2009-06-11, 02:58 AM
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=basingstoke&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=uk&ei=crkwSubBM5DQjAeFlri6Bw&z=12&iwloc=A

KuReshtin
2009-06-11, 04:49 AM
All I will add to the discussion of chavs/neds and whatever else you want to call them is this (http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/).

NED (abbreviation) = Non-Educated Delinquent

Nameless
2009-06-11, 07:12 AM
http://www.xymalf.co.uk/images/chavs/chav4.gif
http://www.xymalf.co.uk/images/chavs/chav2.jpg

And this (http://www.xymalf.co.uk/images/chavs/chav3.jpg).

bosssmiley
2009-06-11, 07:25 AM
I agree. Rhuthun sounds a lot better than Ruthin - oh wait... Umm yr Rhyl - no... Rhuddlan, Llanrhaedr, Henllan, Nantglyn, Llannefydd - GAH!...

St Asaph! Llanelwy is much better than St Asaph!

"Hello? My name's Jones. My address is {incomprehensible gurgling and grunting noises follow} in Wales..."

Welsh: not so much a language, more an indicator of cerebral outrage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke). :smalltongue:

Adlan
2009-06-11, 08:03 AM
To say that Chavs are mearly to product of middle class snobbishness is a misconception.

Chav is used by some to mean working class, but it is not. Chav is most defnately not working class.

Indeed, the best definition is non-working class.

A Chav has no income that is not criminal, or welfare, they work only at jobs long enough to keep getting job seeker's, they often claim disability.

I speak not out of prejudice, I went to school with Chav's. Some grow out of it, get jobs, learn to be responsible people, others, usually those who's family lives chav, will continue on the path of Chavdom.

I knew girls who wanted to get pregnant, I knew boys who's idea of a career was get a disability check like their dad's.

The Dirt poor day labourer is not a chav, he works and earns honest pay, the squaddie is not a chav, indeed, the army is usually the best way out of a chav background, the Chav knows only to suckle on society's teat.

CurlyKitGirl
2009-06-11, 09:55 AM
Why, good afternoon.

Britishness, Englishness, Cornishness. That's me. But in reverse order. I'm Cornish, then English then British. Or Anglo - Celtic. My mum's family I've traced back in just three parishes (hopeless, I know) to the mid - C14th; my dad's family likewise is Cornish and Scottish.
Pure(ish) Celt! Except for some women who got raped during the Spanish Armada. SO a very, very tiny bit of Spanish blood.

Well, I say skon, not scown. Furthermore, it's jam then cream. However, if one is having clotted cream and jam sandwiches you put the cream on first. Then the jam. That's the only way to do it, and if you haven't had this delicious morsel yet I insist you do.
I have Earl Grey tea after noon, well, Lady Grey at the moment because I like the citrus - y infusion.
Fish and chips are probably one of the ultimate British meals. And as I live next to a fairly big fishing port I always get fresh, white fish, generally less than twenty hours dead. But you can't have a BritainitP thread without talking about the Great British Roast.
Shame on you people. Shame.
My family, we have pork or chicken mainly (beef and lamb have a tendecy to get destroyed by our schizophrenic cooker, plus none of us really like lamb). I was wondering, do any of you follow the Don't Eat Pork In A Month Without An 'R' In It rule? Because we almost always do. Unless we buy the pork in a month with an 'r' in it.
Naturally we do the roasted spuds in the meat fat, the peas, carrots, calibrese (broccoli to all you Up North), broccoli (cauli to you Up North) and the gravy. Homemade.
We don't do the yorkshire puds very often though. We can't seem to cook them right.

Chavs are a societal bane in general, but I do know some nice ones. People don't fit the stereotype. But they really don't dress very well. At least, none of the ones I've ever seen do.

I'd also like to bring up the aspect of British games. ROunders, cricket, rugby, all very well and all, but everyone seems to have forgotten the Great Dirty Play of British Bulldog.
For the unenlightened:
Imagine, if you will, a large, normally tarmaced playground with the traditional netball court marking on it.
The two homes are one on either side of the two nets.
Now, split either the entire school or just one year into two. One one side you have one Catcher. Sometimes the Catchers are blindfolded, oftentimes they aren't.
On the other side you have everyone else.
The object of the game:
get from one sie of the field to the other without getting caught.
You run, and fast.
If you're caught you become a Catcher.
There are very few rules.
1) Don't go outside the set markings for the court/area. This is often waived to mean, get from one side of the playground to the other.
2) If you're caught, you become a Catcher.
You got it?
Now run!
Dirty play abounds. It's a bit like rugby, but without a ball and more vicious. Especially if you're down to the last ten runners and it's a schoolwide game. :smallamused:
Or Sticky Toffee?

Fredthefighter
2009-06-11, 10:12 AM
I'd also like to bring up the aspect of British games. ROunders, cricket, rugby, all very well and all, but everyone seems to have forgotten the Great Dirty Play of British Bulldog.
For the unenlightened:
Imagine, if you will, a large, normally tarmaced playground with the traditional netball court marking on it.
The two homes are one on either side of the two nets.
Now, split either the entire school or just one year into two. One one side you have one Catcher. Sometimes the Catchers are blindfolded, oftentimes they aren't.
On the other side you have everyone else.
The object of the game:
get from one sie of the field to the other without getting caught.
You run, and fast.
If you're caught you become a Catcher.
There are very few rules.
1) Don't go outside the set markings for the court/area. This is often waived to mean, get from one side of the playground to the other.
2) If you're caught, you become a Catcher.
You got it?
Now run!
Dirty play abounds. It's a bit like rugby, but without a ball and more vicious. Especially if you're down to the last ten runners and it's a schoolwide game. :smallamused:
Or Sticky Toffee?

I remember playing British Bulldog at karate. Except the catchers were over 6ft tall and built like tanks. Also, they were black belts and when they caught you they could sweep your legs from under you. (I think I was an orange belt at the time, so this is going back quite a few years).
Fantastic game. :smallamused:

EDIT: And I use both when it comes to scones. They're either skons or skowns, doesn't matter to me.

Sub_Zero
2009-06-11, 10:19 AM
We used to play British Bulldog at school a couple of years ago. But we didn't play on a netball court, we played in a small alley sort of bit, so it was quite hard to get past. Then later on we played on the field. Once someone broke their collar bone, we all felt a bit guilty then we were playing it again the next week

Edit: I say scown usually. But sometimes I might say skon instead. My father says skon and my mother says scown, so I've always grown up without being sure what to call it and so I say what fits most naturally into the sentence.

Dihan
2009-06-11, 10:21 AM
Ahh British Bulldogs. I have fond memories of playing that in primary school. I'd always win by pretending to be a Catcher and then slowly making my way over to the other side - usually by chasing people who are running.

I am also a member of the "skon" supporters. For my roast dinners, we usually have an assortment of veggies including green beans, broccoli, onions, peas, carrots and then roast potatoes. We don't stick to the "no pork in months with the letter R in" rule. I'm not really a fan of roast beef but I love roast pork, roast chicken and especially roast lamb. I'm not a fan of Yorkshire puds myself but my brother loves them - my mum also can't cook them correctly.

Personally, I'm Welsh, then British, then European. My mother's side of the family came from a long generation of Welsh farmers and I think my father's great great grandfather was English - he killed himself after he was found guilty of stealing a loaf of bread. Weird times, those were! Accent-wise, I don't have the local accent (unlike my brother) - the local accent isn't particularly nice. I myself talk with a slight Welsh accent but I can do Received Pronunciation pretty well.

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-11, 10:24 AM
... calibrese (broccoli to all you Up North)...

I can honestly say I have never, ever heard it be called calibrese.

I knew a guy at school who dislocated his shoulder playing British Bulldog, but kept playing for 20 mins because he was too full of adrenaline to notice.

And I think of myself as English before British. Dunno why but my stepdad's Scottish and he's the same (Scottish rather than English obviously).

Charity
2009-06-11, 10:24 AM
We used to play British bulldog against the PE teachers every year... they were a game bunch, you never got punished regardless of how brutal it got... there was often blood spilt. I guess they wouldn't get away with that these days.
Also if your PE kit wasn't labelled you wern't allowed to wear it, rugby in pants only is not something I would wish on anyone, and as for cross country...

CurlyKitGirl
2009-06-11, 10:58 AM
We used to play British bulldog against the PE teachers every year... they were a game bunch, you never got punished regardless of how brutal it got... there was often blood spilt. I guess they wouldn't get away with that these days.
Also if your PE kit wasn't labelled you wern't allowed to wear it, rugby in pants only is not something I would wish on anyone, and as for cross country...

Yeah, that happened to my parents and thier siblings.
As mum wonderfully said:
"Yeah, we did PE in our knickers. Now imagine what it was like for girls when they were on!"
I chose not to.

So glad it doesn't happen any more.

Freefall
2009-06-11, 11:58 AM
Let's check my loyalties, in order from most important to least:

(1) East End of London
(2) London North of the River (Sarf London is another country)
(3) Greater London
(4) South of England
(5) England
(6) United Kingdom
(7) Commonwealth

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-13, 11:39 AM
Yeah, that happened to my parents and thier siblings.
As mum wonderfully said:
"Yeah, we did PE in our knickers. Now imagine what it was like for girls when they were on!"
I chose not to.

So glad it doesn't happen any more.

At my school, if you didn't have your kit, then you had to wear the school's spare kit which I don't think was ever washed (It probably still hasn't)

Now I'm in VIth form though, we can wear whatever...

Nameless
2009-06-14, 03:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTeUDpduVoU

... C'mon someone had to do it! :smallbiggrin:

Fredthefighter
2009-06-14, 03:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTeUDpduVoU

... C'mon someone had to do it! :smallbiggrin:

Awwwwwww yeah. :smallamused:

Nameless
2009-06-14, 03:46 PM
Awwwwwww yeah. :smallamused:

\m/O___e\m/

Fredthefighter
2009-06-14, 03:50 PM
\m/O___e\m/


Q<<Q

Put up your dukes buddy. Marquee of Queensbury style. :smallamused:

Nameless
2009-06-14, 03:51 PM
Q<<Q

Put up your dukes buddy. Marquee of Queensbury style. :smallamused:

So it's British Metal we want?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwKRyizwEKo&feature=related

\m/:smallamused:\m/

Fredthefighter
2009-06-14, 03:56 PM
So it's British Metal we want?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwKRyizwEKo&feature=related

\m/:smallamused:\m/

I see your British Metal, and raise you Italian Techno-pop. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw) and 60s British Muzac. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rInMQWpGpYg)

\M/:tongue:\M/

Nameless
2009-06-14, 04:12 PM
I see your British Metal, and raise you Italian Techno-pop. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw) and 60s British Muzac. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rInMQWpGpYg)

\M/:tongue:\M/


Good choice on The Beatles. :smallsmile:

Now get some \m/ down yah boy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T6e_mk0O24

DamnedIrishman
2009-06-14, 06:04 PM
Q<<Q

Put up your dukes buddy. Marquee of Queensbury style. :smallamused:

A marquee is a large tent.

The term is Queensberry Rules.
The patron of the style was the Marquess of Queensberry. Specifically, John Sholto Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, bane of Oscar Wilde.

bladedSmoke
2009-06-14, 06:17 PM
A marquee is a large tent.

The term is Queensberry Rules.
The patron of the style was the Marquess of Queensberry. Specifically, John Sholto Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, bane of Oscar Wilde.

Obviously he meant "put up your dukes as though you were erecting a large tent in Queensbury."

I would imagine this would involve a lot of flailing and strange gestures.

Charity
2009-06-14, 06:28 PM
No Motorhead... shame on you all.

Rawhide
2009-06-14, 07:34 PM
There are far too many of these "Location in the Playground" threads. For now I am going to rule that there can be a maximum of one for each continent (using the 6 continent model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number_of_continents), see below). We are considering restricting this even further, but for now the following ones would be ok.

Australia
North and South America (combined)
Europe (including Great Britain, etc.)
Africa
Asia

P.S. Unless you actually live in Antarctica, don't even think of creating an "Antarctica in the Playground" thread.

Considering that this thread has been around for a while, would it be better to close this thread and start a new one or expand it to all of Europe?

bladedSmoke
2009-06-14, 07:46 PM
There are far too many of these "Location in the Playground" threads. For now I am going to rule that there can be a maximum of one for each continent (using the 6 continent model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number_of_continents), see below). We are considering restricting this even further, but for now the following ones would be ok.

Australia
North and South America (combined)
Europe (including Great Britain, etc.)
Africa
Asia

P.S. Unless you actually live in Antarctica, don't even think of creating an "Antarctica in the Playground" thread.

Considering that this thread has been around for a while, would it be better to close this thread and start a new one or expand it to all of Europe?

Would Russia be considered "Asia" or "Europe?" Because I know there are quite a few Russian Playgrounders, and it might be best to clear this up now.

Rawhide
2009-06-14, 08:11 PM
Well, the map I linked to puts Russia and the Middle East in Asia. But I would be happy for people to gravitate to where they feel they best belong.

Ignoring the official line drawn on that map for a moment (it is, after all, all part of Eurasia): Due to the relative isolation for centuries, there are considerable philosophical differences to the majority of the people in the respective societies. I would probably suggest that Asia be reserved for civilisations traditionally regarded as oriental (for location and philosophical reasons, not 'race'), while Russia should probably be included in the Europe thread and the Middle East alongside Africa. [edited to reflect suggestions from forum members]

Of course, that's merely a suggestion.

bladedSmoke
2009-06-14, 08:18 PM
Well, the map I linked to puts Russia and the Middle East in Asia. But I would be happy for people to gravitate to where they feel they best belong.

Great. Thanks for clearing that up, that strikes me as a perfect solution. :smallsmile:

afroakuma
2009-06-14, 08:22 PM
And to think, this is technically my fault. :smalltongue:

Charity
2009-06-15, 05:23 AM
Rawhide or mod community at large:

This comes up quite often the whole, 'Too many of this sort of thread' thing.
Can I ask as to the reasoning behind it?
If this is what folk want to talk about where is the harm?
As far as I see it is just folk trying to find some common ground to talk about in the community at large, maybe actually form some real life friendships out of it who knows.
It seems strange to further restrict the allowable topics based on over popularity.

Actually I know what the reply will be... taken it here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6293169#post6293169)

Fredthefighter
2009-06-15, 05:25 AM
A marquee is a large tent.

The term is Queensberry Rules.
The patron of the style was the Marquess of Queensberry. Specifically, John Sholto Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, bane of Oscar Wilde.

Thankyou for correcting me there good sir.

Totally Guy
2009-06-15, 06:52 AM
This comes up quite often the whole, 'Too many of this sort of thread' thing.
Can I ask as to the reasoning behind it?
If this is what folk want to talk about where is the harm?
As far as I see it is just folk trying to find some common ground to talk about in the community at large, maybe actually form some real life friendships out of it who knows.
It seems strange to further restrict the allowable topics based on over popularity.

Quick everybody, abandon thread! Make a beeline for the UK meetup thread and we'll continue there.:smallcool:

Charity
2009-06-15, 07:11 AM
Women and children virtues first.

KuReshtin
2009-06-15, 07:13 AM
Quick everybody, abandon thread! Make a beeline for the UK meetup thread and we'll continue there.:smallcool:

You mean this one (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112309), don't you? :smallwink:

Fifty-Eyed Fred
2009-06-15, 02:59 PM
Bunging Britain in with the rest of Europe is a bit insulting. As Winston Churchill put it:

We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not comprised. We are associated but not absorbed.

And should European statesmen address us and say: 'Shall we speak for thee?', we should reply: 'Nay sir, for we dwell among our own people'.

Jack Squat
2009-06-15, 03:07 PM
Bunging Britain in with the rest of Europe is a bit insulting. As Winston Churchill put it:

Which of the six continents would you put it with then?

Geographically, Britain (as well as the rest of the UK...and Iceland) are in Europe. Culturally, maybe not; but culturally California isn't in line most of the US - much less the rest of the Americas; should it be argued that Californians get their own thread?

GrlumpTheElder
2009-06-15, 04:15 PM
Bunging Britain in with the rest of Europe is a bit insulting. As Winston Churchill put it:

But... But we are in Europe...

I'm not so sure about wales though, they're a strange bunch (I'm allowed to say this because I am partly Welsh and proud of it)

Rawhide
2009-06-15, 04:58 PM
Bunging Britain in with the rest of Europe is a bit insulting. As Winston Churchill put it:

If you think that's insulting, spare a thought for the poor Australians when they realise that New Zealand has been clumped with them :smalleek:.

Kobold-Bard
2009-06-15, 05:36 PM
But... But we are in Europe...

I'm not so sure about wales though, they're a strange bunch (I'm allowed to say this because I am partly Welsh and proud of it)

Depends on whether you believe that book or not. The Europe one that somehow missed Wales off.