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Fin
2009-06-19, 05:25 AM
Ok, so I saw this film this morning at the absurd time of 00:01am GMT! I have to say that it is both really good and really disappointing. By that I mean as a film in its own right its very enjoyable, but as far as a transformers film goes I think it lost its way a little bit. This ws mainly due to the much larger portion of humor compared to the first film, this is very funny film. The only problem with that is it caused the film to seem very formulaic. Joke/ActionPlot revelation - Rinse and repeat.

But still I really enjoyed the film I would say that the first one was better but that is just me. Feel free to use this thread for discussion of both the film but please, it you have seen it spoiler any plot points!

Muz
2009-06-19, 10:13 AM
It's out already?

I'm sorry to hear it's got more humor. What's the transformer-to-human character ratio? (Is it a movie about humans dealing with transformers, or a movie about transformers that's got a few human characters in there, too?)

And I'm hoping to remain somewhat spoiler-free. (And then I shall have this cake, and eat it, too!) :smallwink:

Kaelaroth
2009-06-19, 10:52 AM
Heading off to see it in a few hours. Haven't seen the first one, and never got into it when I was younger. So.. Not sure, yet. Perhaps I'll post a verdict later.

Jamin
2009-06-19, 11:00 AM
Are there less "special alone time":smallyuk: bits in this movie

Fin
2009-06-19, 11:28 AM
@Muz: There are the same number of main human characters, but there are about five new Auto-bots. Its a movie about humans dealing with transformers because the transformers are dealing with each other... If that even makes sense.

@Jamin: Not too sure what you mean so I'll say yes, tehre are less special alone time bits!

JadedDM
2009-06-19, 11:23 PM
Are there less "special alone time" bits in this movie

Well, there's a robot with giant balls and jokes about dogs humping each other. Take what you will from that.

hanzo66
2009-06-19, 11:37 PM
Gotta say, Shia LeBeouf has gotta be one of the unluckiest actors out there. He gets stuck with roles that pretty much are guaranteed to garner Nerdhate against him. Sam Witwicky is pretty much a Scrappy before the first movie aired and Mutt from Indiana Jones as well.

Then again can't say I know much of the actor himself and whether or not it's either him taking hate-inspiring roles or just him as a douchebag (though from interviews I've seen he doesn't seem like the latter).

JadedDM
2009-06-20, 12:38 AM
That's really more Spielberg's fault. He insists on using LaBeef in every freakin' movie he works on now. Indiana Jones, Transformers, Eagle Eye, etc.

Kaelaroth
2009-06-20, 04:10 AM
Saw it.
It was hellish. HELLISH, I tell you!

Primal Fury
2009-06-20, 09:00 AM
The first movie? If you try to take it with the various cartoons, you might not like it. But I found it quite good as a stand-alone thing. The only problem I had was the importance of the humans. If there is a movie with giant shapechanging robots that fight eachother and blow stuff up, nobody is going to care about the humans. We want to see giant shapechanging robots fighting and BLOWING STUFFUP!

Just like friggin' Dragon Wars. I went to see a movie about two monstrous dragons using their armies to fight eachother in a war that culminated into a final showdown between good and evil. Instead I saw some crappy lovestory between two people who cannot act to save their own lives in a plot that made no sense with a final battle that... sucked to a degree that I thought impossible with an ending that left the male lead with nothing but his right hand and some money in his pocket for a hooker.

But I have made my peace with that. This is a humanist society, and that is to be expected from movies like Transformers. But Dragon Wars just plain sucked. That said I am looking forward to Revenge of the Fallen. :smallbiggrin:

Black Orc 2k8
2009-06-20, 03:16 PM
I didnt see the 1st, but i might go see the second. It dosnt seem to be getting alot of press.

Claudius Maximus
2009-06-20, 03:25 PM
One of the reasons there was such a focus on the Human characters in the first movie was the prohibitively expensive special effects involved with showing the robots on screen. Apparently, since this sequel will have a higher budget, and a proof of concept in the first movie, it will have more robot screen time.

Also, did you think Michael Bay wouldn't put as much explosive robot action as possible into his movie?

EDIT: Of course this is all just what I've heard. I haven't seen the movie, so for all I know it could be nothing like this at all.

FoE
2009-06-20, 03:25 PM
The first one was great ... when the Transformers were fighting.

But for that fantastic fifteen to twenty minutes, you had to endure an hour and a half of irritating humans, awful jokes and crappy story.

I couldn't even make it through the movie the first time I watched it.


One of the reasons there was such a focus on the Human characters in the first movie was the prohibitively expensive special effects involved with showing the robots on screen.

Fair enough. But oh gods, why did the humans have to be so shrill and annoying?

Starscream
2009-06-20, 08:01 PM
I grew up on the first cartoon and later Beast Wars, so I found the portrayal of the robots in the first film to be underwhelming by comparison.

I know that the effects were expensive and limited the amount of time they could appear on screen, but then we had the explosive 20 minute finale of nothing but Transformers fighting and exploding. That sequence alone must have cost half the movie's budget, and it frankly dragged on too long. I actually glanced at my watch while frigging Decepticons were exploding on an eighty foot screen in front of me.

I've used the word "explode" too many times in that last paragraph, but to be fair I am describing a Michael Bay film.

If they had cut that part by about 5 minutes I bet they could have afforded another 15 minutes of the bots simply walking and talking and engaging in some sort of character development. That would have improved both the characterization of the robots, and the flow of the finale.

Instead we got Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox. Nothing against either of them, I think they are decent performers, but they were given nothing interesting to do. Shia was the typical "I want to be suave but I'm just so comically awkward" teen that Hollywood still thinks anyone can relate to, and Megan was the standard issue "Unobtainable but you know I'll fall for him anyway" hot chick. Yawn.

I found the subplot with the hackers to be slightly more interesting, but not by much.

Oh, and just how many comic relief characters did that film need? I counted four or five people who existed for no reason other than to get yuks. And failed at it.

Didn't hate the film, though. It just wasn't as awesome as transforming robots realized with modern special effects and produced by Steven Spielberg should have been.

Avilan the Grey
2009-06-22, 01:35 AM
I loved the first movie. I will definitely watch this one.

As for "annoying humans"... Since I never cared for the cartoons (I was too old), the ide of NOT having Ms. Fox in picture as much as possible is highly offensive to me... :smallwink:

kamikasei
2009-06-22, 03:33 AM
Pretty disappointing. Entertaining enough while I was watching it, but just kept ticking over and never seemed to really get going; I wouldn't recommend it to others.

There was no need whatsoever for it to be so long.

The mood kept whiplashing between tedious, muddled plot (the actual plot was straightforward enough, but revealed piecemeal in such a way that it never built up actual tension), grating and juvenile humour (scrotum? really?) and absolutely brutal robot-on-robot violence that, seriously, made the Autobots look like axe murderers. At times the movie felt like Saw for mechanics.

The movie didn't have that much to live up to. It just had to be an entertaining action romp involving giant robots where the humans didn't irritate us too much. I'm not sure what went wrong in the creative process that kept them from achieving that.

thegurullamen
2009-06-22, 10:52 PM
The first one was great ... when the Transformers were fighting.

But for that fantastic fifteen to twenty minutes, you had to endure an hour and a half of irritating humans, awful jokes and crappy story.

I had no less than five people recommend the movie to me on the strength of its action sequences. They were pretty nice, but you, dear sir, are absolutely correct.

I hate Michael Bay as much as the rest of the Internet, but even I thought the man was level-headed enough to take an action movie script and turn it into an action movie. Somehow, he strayed from that idea and we got something worse than the rest of his tacky library. I think I would have preferred a by-the-numbers romcom instead of yet another emo Shia role, a wrench wench with no personality above the neck, robot pee humor and a full hour and forty five with one action sequence (that being two half sequences: the intro with the helicopter decipticon and the bumblebee car chase, neither of which felt...done) "action" movie that we got.

I have no idea how it managed to get a pass from so many people.

Linkavitch
2009-06-23, 10:59 AM
I'll probably go see it. Liked the first one more than I thought I would.

DraPrime
2009-06-23, 11:05 AM
First one irritated me to no end. So I doubt I will see the second one. The worst part about the first one was that when the action started, the camera work was so irritating that you couldn't tell what the hell was happening. Half the time it was zoomed in way too close for me to tell who was fighting whom, and where. It also didn't help that we had barely seen all the Transformers (I don't remember the cartoon too well, although I loved it when I was little), so I had only a vague idea of who was on which side. Thus, the big fight at the end was rather boring.

JadedDM
2009-06-23, 06:04 PM
I have no idea how it managed to get a pass from so many people.

I'm thinking it might be the prevalence of drug and alcohol use in our society.

That's my theory on why Family Guy is so popular, too, actually.

Mitth'raw'nuruo
2009-06-23, 08:11 PM
so the question is.

Should I spend $2 ? or not.

thegurullamen
2009-06-23, 08:25 PM
so the question is.

Should I spend $2 ? or not.

Just $2? I dunno. From what I've heard, this is worse than the original (which is an achievement only Bay could have accomplished,) but 2 bucks for a film? Hmm...

If you have nothing better to do, I recommend finding another movie for 2 bucks. Barring that, just go rent Die Hard. Or if you have to have a Bay film, The Rock.

Artemician
2009-06-24, 02:19 AM
{Scrubbed}

Vaynor
2009-06-24, 05:07 AM
Just got back from the midnight showing, it was really good. Significantly more swearing than in the first one, and a lot more violence. But it was better, and worth seeing. Plus, Megan Fox!

Fri
2009-06-25, 07:28 AM
I musn't be the only one that liked how mankind can stand against decepticon with numbers and weaponry, am I?

Sure, robot kicking other robot is cool, but tiny man plinking at giant robot and downing them because of sheer number and tenacity is just as awesome.

My complaint on the first movie was the 'formers aren't distinctive enough.

MichelleLBC
2009-06-25, 05:45 PM
Heard it wasn't that great, but I still want to see it

ImmortalAer
2009-06-25, 10:04 PM
...can we get a Giant Fighting Robot movie about 40K? I mean, the nerdrage would be explosively evil, and the director would probably have to hide for a few months, but just think of watching Titans try to kill each other. :smallredface:

...And more on topic, I'm going to go see it, because there's nothing else for me to do, and I'm curious.

Jade_Tarem
2009-06-25, 11:54 PM
Went there, saw it, got the headache.

Honestly, you could edit out 50% of everything Sam, Mikaela (I don't CARE how it's spelled), and Simmons did and 100% of everything involving every other human, (except the ones holding automatic weapons). Especially the Parents and Sam's roommate, who's name I didn't bother to remember even during the movie. I would have disliked the two bickering robots, but they kept making fun of all the human characters I hated and for that I was able to forgive their other antics.

My personal favorite was Major Levitt's (Lewis?)'s sidekick, who I shall dub Captain Obvious. The following is a made up example of the man's dialogue:

"The previous line is a pun, see, because Captain is rank, and so is Major!"

He sprinkles these throughout the movie.

"I hope this kid knows what he's doing!"
"Let's just hope it works."
"We're about to get our ***es kicked."

That said, the fighting robot sequences were entertaining, and I had a glimmering, hopeful suspicion that there was actually a greater percentage of time dedicated to the robots than the first movie. If this trend continues, then we may have a great film by the time Transformers 5: Revenge of the Payback for that Dude What Fell comes out.

So, it was... so-so. The fight scenes were cool - especially when we see exactly why Optimus Prime is leader of the Autobots. I just would have preferred to watch it without having to also watch Sam's idiotic parents doing idiotic things - the mother was the worst offender here - and without having to listen to Sam's roommate whining his way through the film after the Decepticons were nice enough to make Mr. and Mrs. Witwicky shut up halfway through. The dogs and the utterly forced relationship drama were completely pointless, too.

JadedDM
2009-06-26, 01:01 AM
Mikaela (I don't CARE how it's spelled)

Haha, just call her "Megan Fox" like everyone else. I notice whenever I'm talking about this movie or its predecessor with anyone, online or in real life, everyone calls her "Megan Fox" whether referring to the actress or the character. :smalltongue:

HealthKit
2009-06-26, 01:10 AM
Saw the first one, thought it was a mindless action flick with plot holes so big a cab over semi truck could drive through.

From what I've heard of the second movie (haven't seen it yet, but will soon), it's pretty much the same with some racial stereotypes and jokes about male genitals thrown in.

It's a shame Michael Bay has to drag a cherished cartoon series from my childhood through to mud to make a movie.

Fri
2009-06-26, 03:30 AM
Just watched it. Less dog joke and more kaboom, dammit!

I don't mind man vs robot fight, if fact, I like it, but gah, now I understand why everyone were so annoyed by the 'interlude'

the ex section 7 agent was awesome though.

"One Man. Betrayed by his country."

Awesome.

ShneekeyTheLost
2009-06-26, 05:10 PM
Someone call Jay and Silent Bob, someone made a movie with even more 'biological humor' jokes.

I didn't mind what they did with Soundwave, that was a cool adaptation.

I minded what they did to Devistator. What should have been the most significant threat to the autobots turned into:

PLEASE don't read this if you haven't seen the movie:A big hoover that the Jay and I-Wish-He-Was-Silent Bob Autobots tore into and whose only accomplishment was to unveil the McGuffin before being blown up

It was an hour of 'private body parts' and fart jokes, an hour of random explosions, twenty minutes of T&A, and ten minutes of making a threadbare plotline that made pornos look well-written.

It was a complete, utter, and total failure as a movie. It was an utter farce, the likes of which even Chris Farley couldn't top. The only reason why I didn't get up out of my seat and leave was that I thought it would somehow redeem itself by the end of the movie.

If you are looking for anything other than crass jokes, random explosions, and T&A... look somewhere else. If that's your idea of a perfect movie, you'll love it.

KIDS
2009-06-26, 06:17 PM
I was very disappointed by the movie. The humor took a nosedive compared to the subtle charm of first movie, there were one-two-three-four-FIVE! - five characters that I just wanted to die and stop being so annoying, and the Transformers had no personalities whatsoever. The plot is unrealistic (and this takes into account that it's a film about giant robots!). It's too long. The effects are messy and there are almost no slow transformations that I liked the best.

To give it some credit, a small part of the attempted humor is funny, and some new transformers have interesting effects (Devastator & C.O.). It's not a disaster (like say, Jumper), just bad and disappointing.

Maybe for someone who hasn't seen and liked the first movie, this one might seem like an average action comedy. But I spent most of its 150+ minutes wondering where the magic had gone.

dillugoa
2009-06-26, 08:43 PM
that is the greatest transformers movie ever and i like the little mouthy twin robots who kicked the crap out of the devistaters face:smallbiggrin:

Primal Fury
2009-06-26, 10:19 PM
Finally saw the whole thing. And well... they didn't capture the autobots very well, in that they were portrayed as far too human. Far too hypocritical. Optimus went on and on about how humans were too warlike, but apparently he wasn't above mercilessly shooting a wounded opponent in the head. Or ripping a decpticons head into tiny pieces with red hot meet hooks. I seriously had to play that part over and over again, they made it sound like a human skull gettin ripped open. I was actually offended by how they portrayed the *ahem* "black" robots. They are goddamn alien robots. Why were they behaving like dumb, ignorant black folks from the hood? "Naw. We don' really do much readin'." Really??? That's just friggin racist.

Coulda been a lot better.

Foeofthelance
2009-06-26, 10:45 PM
Finally saw the whole thing. And well... they didn't capture the autobots very well, in that they were portrayed as far too human. Far too hypocritical. Optimus went on and on about how humans were too warlike, but apparently he wasn't above mercilessly shooting a wounded opponent in the head. Or ripping a decpticons head into tiny pieces with red hot meet hooks. I seriously had to play that part over and over again, they made it sound like a human skull gettin ripped open. I was actually offended by how they portrayed the *ahem* "black" robots. They are goddamn alien robots. Why were they behaving like dumb, ignorant black folks from the hood? "Naw. We don' really do much readin'." Really??? That's just friggin racist.

Coulda been a lot better.

You know, the "We don't do much reading" thing didn't bother me as much after they explained that it was a dead language as far as anyone was concerned. It's not like they just turned around and showed it to Bumblebee or Ironhide, this was something none of the Autobots could have deciphered. I agree that the whole "ghetto" aspect was overplayed, though, but then I've never exactly been fond of idiot humor. As for Optimus being hypocritical, I see a big difference between being unwilling to give the American military a 200+ year jump in the arms race and shooting an opponent who is equally well armed and part of a force that outnumbers you while trying to protect a MacGuffin. It struck me more as the same sort of mentality that says you don't give a pistol to a five year old.

Primal Fury
2009-06-26, 10:57 PM
You know, the "We don't do much reading" thing didn't bother me as much after they explained that it was a dead language as far as anyone was concerned. It's not like they just turned around and showed it to Bumblebee or Ironhide, this was something none of the Autobots could have deciphered. I agree that the whole "ghetto" aspect was overplayed, though, but then I've never exactly been fond of idiot humor. As for Optimus being hypocritical, I see a big difference between being unwilling to give the American military a 200+ year jump in the arms race and shooting an opponent who is equally well armed and part of a force that outnumbers you while trying to protect a MacGuffin. It struck me more as the same sort of mentality that says you don't give a pistol to a five year old.

Dead language? Well I saw a bootleg version, so I missed a whole lot of the dialouge. And seriously, why did they need to be "ghettobots"? It would have been just as easy to make them stereotypical... "readneckbots" or... "sombrerobots". But no; they just had to be black. The green one even had a gold tooth for craps sake. :smallannoyed: And as to Optimus's attitude... I suppose I'm just not used to seeing him go on a murderous rampage that put Leatherface to shame. :smalltongue:

Foeofthelance
2009-06-27, 12:32 AM
Dead language? Well I saw a bootleg version, so I missed a whole lot of the dialouge. And seriously, why did they need to be "ghettobots"? It would have been just as easy to make them stereotypical... "readneckbots" or... "sombrerobots". But no; they just had to be black. The green one even had a gold tooth for craps sake. :smallannoyed: And as to Optimus's attitude... I suppose I'm just not used to seeing him go on a murderous rampage that put Leatherface to shame. :smalltongue:

The ghettobots thing I think is a case of hollywood marketing gone wrong. We need to appeal to all market groups, right? We've got the Hot Chick, the Dorky Kids, the Cool Military Guy, the Wise Guy, and plenty of explosions. How do we pull in the minorities? We need a minority character! We can't use the black soldier because we're already using him as an Action/Wise Guy! So we need minority robots! But how can a robot be a minority? Obviously, we need to make it talk in slang, for shizzle! Enter... the Doofus Twins.

As for the racism claim:

After making the "We don't really read" comment, the bot also explained that it was written in an archaic form of Cybertronese, or somesuch. The map had been created long before any of them had even been sparked. Imagine you're looking for an ancient Roman treasure, and you have a map from the anicent Romans. Obviously, its not going to be written in modern English; you need someone who can read ancient Roman/Latin, whatever. That was why they needed the SR-71, it had apparently been around for a much longer period of time and could read the runes. (How it had hidden for that long, or worse how it could be identified from a picture I don't know, but that's a seperate question.

Jokes
2009-06-27, 08:35 AM
I'll be going to see it soon, but if it's anything like any other Michael Bay film, I know half of it is just him pointing the camera at the sun in slow motion. Which costs $200 million dollars apparently.

Not high hopes, but I'm going to go in with a thoughtless mind, so big explosions and loud noises might make it enjoyable.

Tyracus
2009-06-27, 06:34 PM
I saw it last night and really preferred the first one a lot more. This one just had some really odd disconnects and poor camera angles going on. The fights were alright but anything involving Nest shattered suspension of disbelief because they were WORSE at fighting the robots then in the first movie. I did have a "hell yes" moment when the five construction vehicles came out and joined together but really, devastator was something completely different from before and for no real reason I can see (not like megatron, transforming into a gun would be dumb for a movie). All he did was reveal the super weapon, lead to some bad twins dialogue, and provide for a bad balls joke before getting one shotted by the experimental railgun (which is NOT that top secret).

Leading to the ending where:
Prime is revived, the Fallen jumps around the battle after stealing the key (but not killing optimus again which prompted his emergence). Prime takes a level in badass via Jetfire's sacrifice and then we have the anti-climatic final fight where I couldn't figure who was doing what to whom until Optimus ripped off the Fallen's face and went then ripped out his spark. Then Starscream tells Megatron to run and they do. Starscream should have just killed megatron while he was hurt, and then he could take control of the decepticons just like he's always wanted.

One a side note, Sam, the lead soldiers, and Megan Fox were all dead the moment that jet started it's bombing run while they were in the smoke, 2000lb bombs make a MUCH bigger explosion than you can run from like that. Also the medics listening to the grunt who doesn't have 1/3rd the training they do while treating Sam. I know it's an action movie but could you please try to find some semblance of real military procedures. None of this smart ass commander skating through his defiance by virtue of lenient superiors and good results. Even if you get the best possible results, disobeying orders that severely is still going to get you thrown in jail for a good while and kicked out.

Oh well, it was still a fairly good movie in my opinion but the flaws just kept piling on. And the twins were just the worst idea ever as they contributed next to nothing besides ignorant dialogue. I mean they were worse than Jazz and all he got in the first movie was some canned sounding lines and a 5 second fight with megatron before he was ripped in two. At least we know Cybertron is still around now so maybe we'll get a movie with primus, unicron, and the creation matrix. I honestly expected Galvatron this movie given the subtitle. Instead we get some new fallen prime who I don't recall from any previous source.

I do like Soundwave but I'm pretty sure an observatory or something would have seen him. And honestly, couldn't they have had a better orbital net or something to track the energy signatures of falling objects. It would have saved them a lot of headache and some nasty surprises.

Shadow_Elf
2009-06-27, 11:15 PM
I saw it today. Honestly, I don't really see anything particularly wrong with it. It wasn't the most amazing movie I've ever seen, but it was giant robots transforming and beating each other up with giant guns and futuristic-looking swords. Maybe its just me, but it doesn't need to be much more complex than than. The only big problems I had with the plot were that:
The Primes sacrificed themselves to hide the key instead of just killing the fallen outright and continuing the functioning of their race, that Jetfire randomly teleported them to Egypt with hardly any explanation at all, and that the Fallen jumped in and took the key but did not kill Optimus, which, realistically, he probably would have.

Otherwise, I thought it was a great movie. However, I agree that it was silly that NEST suddenly got worse at fighting Decepticons over that time period, which is just silly. They were kicking evil robot ass without any idea what they were up against in the first one, and in the second one, they basically just called for help from the Autobots for every fight because they were too inept to win. However, Sideswipe was totally badass. Just saying.

Fredthefighter
2009-06-28, 06:30 AM
I went into the cinema yesterday to watch Transformers 2, expecting to see Giant robots beating the ever-loving tar out of each other. I got what I expected. I enjoyed the movie, despite the lack of quality in the jokes and the annoyingness of the humans.

I actually wanted Wittwicky to stay dead when Megatron shot him

Mistwalker
2009-06-28, 03:48 PM
Gotta say, Shia LeBeouf has gotta be one of the unluckiest actors out there. He gets stuck with roles that pretty much are guaranteed to garner Nerdhate against him. Sam Witwicky is pretty much a Scrappy before the first movie aired and Mutt from Indiana Jones as well.

I expect he's crying all the way to the bank. Also, doubly unlucky. Those giant bags of money are really heavy.

[edit] I'm planning on seeing it with my girlfriend sometime this week. However, I'm not seeing it because I'm expecting a good film. In fact, it gets consistently awful reviews. The first one was pretty spectacularly dumb, but spectacular being a key word in it. It was giant robots tear-assing through a city and shooting each other. It was less of a film than a spectacle. The plot is stupid, but it's like the plot of a porno. It's just there to get you to the action.

I'm expecting the same sort of experience with this one. Stupid plot, gorgeous special effects, missiles and giant swords and explosions and lots more of the robots inexplicably rolling every ten seconds. They sure do like to roll a lot. I'll see it once in theaters, because that's where special effect laden action movies should be seen, and then I'll forget about it forever. I'll probably do the same when the next one comes out, too.

AstralFire
2009-06-28, 04:33 PM
Oh my god. I thought I was the last person in the world who thought TF1 was as bad as I expected it to be.

Callos_DeTerran
2009-06-28, 08:59 PM
I enjoyed the movie more then I did the first one, which is saying something. Granted, I didn't see a lot of Transformers when I was little so maybe I have nothing to compare it to, but I don't see anything outstandingly wrong with the movie other then the ghetto-bots and Jetfire being able to teleport.


And I too am perplexed by how the Autobots are the more brutal fighters between the Decipticons while being the good guys...and why they are the good guys when the Fallen and Megatron are simply...

trying to find a new source of Energon so new Transformers can be 'born'. Granted, this involves killing all humans but when it comes to one's own species it SHOULD come first before another one. Even if it means having to kill the other.

After the movie I honestly paused for a minute to think if the Autobots really where the good-guys or not considering the face-ripping, spine-tearing, and other things. In any case, I consider my money well spent. But then again, I'm a freak, I enjoy almost any movie.

Pendragonx
2009-06-28, 09:02 PM
I went into the cinema yesterday to watch Transformers 2, expecting to see Giant robots beating the ever-loving tar out of each other. I got what I expected. I enjoyed the movie, despite the lack of quality in the jokes and the annoyingness of the humans.

^^ what he said ... I have friends who absolutely hated it, and friends who thought it was good ... I thought it was entertaining at least.. and seeing lots of Megan Fox certainly helped. .. I think i'd rate it maybe better than the first

Rainbownaga
2009-06-28, 10:02 PM
Ever since i watched the cartoons as a kid in the eighties, i've always been a fan of the Decepticons, so by now I should be use to them completely sucking in combat, but it still hurts to see


-Starscream not reprising his role as an air superiority unit- In the original cartoons jet fighters made up the majority of the decepticon units, and the only other decepticon jet defects to the autobots :smallfurious:
-Devastator (previous posters have said enough)
-Bumblebee being killing ravage so easily (since when was bumblebee supposed to be mr. badass?
-The whole 'fallen' thing; no sooner does Megatron announce that he's in charge even when he's dead than he starts talking about having a master? Couldn't they have just skipped that irrelevant plot point and made it about the Decepticons rallying after their last embarrasing defeat?


That said, the main fault I had was the same as many posters have mentioned- the fight scenes make it impossible to tell who's who. The animated series may have painted their bots in ridiculous colours, but at least you could keep track of what was going on.


PS: I agree with Callos, but i might be a bit biased :P

KerfuffleMach2
2009-06-29, 12:11 AM
And I too am perplexed by how the Autobots are the more brutal fighters between the Decipticons while being the good guys...and why they are the good guys when the Fallen and Megatron are simply...

trying to find a new source of Energon so new Transformers can be 'born'. Granted, this involves killing all humans but when it comes to one's own species it SHOULD come first before another one. Even if it means having to kill the other.

This was kind of explained.

When the Primes went to planets to use the machine to make Energon, they had only one rule. If the planet has life, leave the sun alone. The Fallen broke that rule. Now, all The Fallen wants to do is destroy the humans, since he can't kill the Primes, cause they're dead already. You can't tell me there's no other solar systems out there without life.

Anywho, I thought it was great. The only problem I really have is...

...the lack of involvement of Arcee. Her being in the movie was supposed to be a big thing. Then they go and make her, what, triplets? And she only gets one line?

Avilan the Grey
2009-06-29, 01:06 AM
^^ what he said ... I have friends who absolutely hated it, and friends who thought it was good ... I thought it was entertaining at least.. and seeing lots of Megan Fox certainly helped. .. I think i'd rate it maybe better than the first

I haven't even watched it yet, but this goes for the first movie too.
I got what I wanted out of it: an action-filled brain-rinse. The movie delivered exactly what it said on the can.

Rainbownaga
2009-06-29, 01:34 AM
When the Primes went to planets to use the machine to make Energon, they had only one rule. If the planet has life, leave the sun alone. The Fallen broke that rule. Now, all The Fallen wants to do is destroy the humans, since he can't kill the Primes, cause they're dead already. You can't tell me there's no other solar systems out there without life.



Actually, i thought the reason they were focusing on earth had nothing to do with the humans and all because of the sun-destroying machine. Throughout the movie the decepticons, fallen included, treat humans as insects- only destroying them when they need to. An analogy would be a farmer killing the insects on his farm to feed his children while the autobots act like millitant environmentalists, stopping the 'murder' at all costs

Callos_DeTerran
2009-06-29, 01:45 AM
This was kind of explained.

When the Primes went to planets to use the machine to make Energon, they had only one rule. If the planet has life, leave the sun alone. The Fallen broke that rule. Now, all The Fallen wants to do is destroy the humans, since he can't kill the Primes, cause they're dead already. You can't tell me there's no other solar systems out there without life.


No, I understood all that. But even considering that, the base fact is that

The end result is that their species is going to keep surviving because of it. And that the Autobots are pretty much working against the survival of species. After all, I don't think they can build another sun-harvesting machine with the Allspark gone (not until they figured out how it works) and with the already low numbers they had to make that batch work out for them or there might not be another with a war going on and all.

Hawriel
2009-06-29, 06:56 PM
IT was a big pike of moldy ****. Mickael bay should never direct movies.

Avilan the Grey
2009-06-30, 01:09 AM
IT was a big pike of moldy ****. Mickael bay should never direct movies.

Methinks you are overreacting, but then that makes me wonder what exactly you expected from a movie about toys? :smallsmile:

Personally I think it's all about expectations. I expect to get an action-filled brain-rinse (although images of Megan Fox is likely to stick :smallwink:). It is worth paying for, since I am very sure I will get just that.

Artemician
2009-06-30, 01:56 AM
Methinks you are overreacting, but then that makes me wonder what exactly you expected from a movie about toys? :smallsmile:

Personally I think it's all about expectations. I expect to get an action-filled brain-rinse (although images of Megan Fox is likely to stick :smallwink:). It is worth paying for, since I am very sure I will get just that.
I just wish I could have seen more cheesy action instead of someone's dusty legs while the camera gyrates like an alien clone of Elvis.

bladedSmoke
2009-06-30, 03:17 AM
The Nostalgia Critic has summed up my opinion of this movie. (http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/8875-tf2)

JadedDM
2009-06-30, 03:25 AM
Methinks you are overreacting, but then that makes me wonder what exactly you expected from a movie about toys? :smallsmile:

Personally I think it's all about expectations. I expect to get an action-filled brain-rinse (although images of Megan Fox is likely to stick :smallwink:). It is worth paying for, since I am very sure I will get just that.

That's no excuse. Anything can be made into a good movie, and vice versa. It being based on a toy doesn't at all excuse bad writing, acting, racism, and plot holes bigger than Devastator's completely unnecessary balls.

Avilan the Grey
2009-06-30, 03:58 AM
That's no excuse. Anything can be made into a good movie, and vice versa. It being based on a toy doesn't at all excuse bad writing, acting, racism, and plot holes bigger than Devastator's completely unnecessary balls.

Now I think we are getting somewhere. The question though is what constitutes a "good" movie. Some critics seem to expect deep troublesome personal issues in all movies (I call them the Bergman fan club, being Swedish and all. These are the people who gave Transformers 2 1 star of 5 because it spent too much time dealing with the robots instead of the people).
Personally I try to judge every movie compared to its Genre, and the Expectations.
I think the Transformers movie (as I said I have not yet watched the second one) was right on the money.

Big Robots - Check
Hot girl(s) - Check
Involvement of the highest level of US government - Check (not the president himself though; weird!)
Diverting from source material - Check
Fanboys of said source material throwing a fit - Check
Called a Turkey because of the concept by people who never was into this sort of thing to begin with - Check
Less action than possible - Check
Love story - Check
Lesson about humanity, by things not even remotely human - Check
Cool fight scenes - Check
Cool special effects - Check

As you see it fitted my expectations perfectly.
Basically it was good. It was not Good, but I was not expecting Good.
Another question is if you really can expect any big-budget Hollywood movie is without "bad writing, acting, racism, and plot holes". It comes with the territory.

And I will have to disagree. A movie based on a toy is just like a movie based on a comic book, or even (God forbid!) a computer game* has all the things you listed above. By default.

*The only thing worse than a computer game based on a movie, is a movie based on a computer game.

Fri
2009-06-30, 05:35 AM
Actually, as often as I disagree with Shamus young, one thing he said about this interested me. This is like the batman and robin (or maybe at least batman forever) of giant robot movie. One wonders how the dark knight version of giant robot movie might be.

Avilan the Grey
2009-06-30, 07:16 AM
Actually, as often as I disagree with Shamus young, one thing he said about this interested me. This is like the batman and robin (or maybe at least batman forever) of giant robot movie. One wonders how the dark knight version of giant robot movie might be.

Quite horrible, I think, and not in a good way. The Transformers comic books I read in the 80ies were very close to the first movie in tone.

Scylfing
2009-06-30, 08:28 AM
Quite horrible, I think, and not in a good way. The Transformers comic books I read in the 80ies were very close to the first movie in tone.

Did you ever read the Simon Furman-written story arc leading up to the battle with Unicron and its aftermath? I wouldn't say they rose to the level of "The Dark Knight" in tone but it got pretty dark in parts from what I recall. Especially that whole thing with the corruption of the Matrix and Ratchet and Megatron's fate.

I'll agree though that prior to that it was fairly cheesy (Mech-canniballs? Really, that's what you're going with Bud? :smallyuk: )


But yeah, the first movie was pretty much for 9 year old boys (shocking, since that's what the original cartoon was aimed at--I just happened to be that age at the time) so I wasn't expecting too much, so I'm assuming the same thing with this. However, the bathroom humor was the only thing that bothered me in the first one, and it sounds like there's way more of it this time so I guess I'll have to lower my expectations all the more.

raitalin
2009-06-30, 10:39 AM
http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie

Jamin
2009-06-30, 03:09 PM
I think saying that T2 is not a movie is just silly. Yes it is a movie it should be looked at as a movie and anything else is just making excuses.

Jade_Tarem
2009-06-30, 04:27 PM
Now I think we are getting somewhere. The question though is what constitutes a "good" movie. Some critics seem to expect deep troublesome personal issues in all movies (I call them the Bergman fan club, being Swedish and all. These are the people who gave Transformers 2 1 star of 5 because it spent too much time dealing with the robots instead of the people).
Personally I try to judge every movie compared to its Genre, and the Expectations.
I think the Transformers movie (as I said I have not yet watched the second one) was right on the money.

Big Robots - Check
Hot girl(s) - Check
Involvement of the highest level of US government - Check (not the president himself though; weird!)
Diverting from source material - Check
Fanboys of said source material throwing a fit - Check
Called a Turkey because of the concept by people who never was into this sort of thing to begin with - Check
Less action than possible - Check
Love story - Check
Lesson about humanity, by things not even remotely human - Check
Cool fight scenes - Check
Cool special effects - Check

As you see it fitted my expectations perfectly.
Basically it was good. It was not Good, but I was not expecting Good.
Another question is if you really can expect any big-budget Hollywood movie is without "bad writing, acting, racism, and plot holes". It comes with the territory.

And I will have to disagree. A movie based on a toy is just like a movie based on a comic book, or even (God forbid!) a computer game* has all the things you listed above. By default.

*The only thing worse than a computer game based on a movie, is a movie based on a computer game.

While I won't disagree with your statement that movies based on video games are bound to be bad, your list and subsequent conclusions bother me.

To begin with, Transformers, as the name implies, should probably be about robots that transform, perhaps into objects such as cars and jets. It's a cool concept.

So please explain to me why 40% of the movie focuses on the adventures of Sam Witwicky, world's most irritating designated protagonist? Optimus Prime spends half the movie dead, for crying out loud! Another 10% of the movie is potty humor that could have been surpassed by any of my classmates when I was in the sixth grade, and we were just discovering the wonders of four-letter words and thought that they made you cool. Another 10% is completely, totally forced relationship drama, and frankly I saw the scene where Mickhaylah (whatever, Megan Fox) walks in on Sam and decepti-juvenile-fantasy-girl coming from about the time that Sam and Fox had their argument at the beginning of the movie, where they recited their lines with dead, wooden expressions while subtitles appeared on the screen, saying [They are having problems with their relationship. Trust us.], because it's probably the most overused boy-girl-girl gag in history.

And of course, there was College Roommate. The pinnacle of sophmoric humor! Pretty good considering he's just a freshman (rim shot), but not good enough.

That's more than half the movie! And all the Transformers do in that time is take down a suspicious looking crane and take verbal abuse from Mr. Insert Insipid Paranoid Beauracracy Icon Here.

I'd go on, but I've said all this already. It was not a good movie, which brings me to my next point.


Another question is if you really can expect any big-budget Hollywood movie is without "bad writing, acting, racism, and plot holes."

Yes. Yes you can. Entertainment is not graded on a curve, or at least shouldn't be. Just because Hollywood is clogged with mindless shoot-em-ups and bad writing doesn't mean we can't criticize whatever their next screwup is. I refuse to be conditioned to accept a bad movie as awesome just because the previous twenty were even worse.

They didn't have to write deep personal issues into the movie to make it good. No one expected that, and indeed a movie doesn't have to deal with deep personal issues - not everything in real life concerns such things, why should every piece of entertainment? No, Transformers 2, Revenge of that Guy you've never heard of before, only it's not revenge because he isn't acting out against the people who "wronged" him isn't bad because it wasn't an inspection of the human conditon (or some such garbage). It was bad because it was a Transformers movie that wasn't, for the most part, about Transformers; it was bad because it's an action movie that provides little context or clarity for the action; it was bad because it's a comedy that fails to do anything comedic beyond "lol, he said BALLS;" it was bad because half the characters with significant screentime could have been removed without it being detrimental to the plot; it was bad because it took two and a half hours to tell a forty-five minute story.

It was bad because the most lasting impression it made on me was the three hour headache I had afterwards, caused by the obnoxious whining sounds emitted by both the Transformers' gear and half the cast.

The Vorpal Tribble
2009-06-30, 04:52 PM
I have read nothing of this thread but let me say I just returned from walking out of the theatre. Only done that to two other movies. I have better things to do with my time than watch a Decepticon hump someone's leg.

It was rushed and non-stop stupidity from the beginning to the point I left.

The end.

Edit
Just read above post and he took the words right out of my mouth.

It was bad because it's an action movie that provides little context or clarity for the action; it was bad because it's a comedy that fails to do anything comedic beyond "lol, he said BALLS"

Edit #2
http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-f...e-an-art-movie

That just gave me, in the 10 minutes I spent reading, 50x more entertainment than did the hour and 45 minutes I forced myself to sit through and had to PAY for in the theatre.

Yulian
2009-06-30, 09:10 PM
Just ummm...just go here.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/

I am "Coeloptera" over there.

Biggest thing for me, really?

The TFs themselves received essentially no character development, like the movie didn't even perceive the majority of them as characters at all.

- Yulian

Tar Palantir
2009-06-30, 10:04 PM
I didn't have much in the way of expectations for this movie. I went because I was offered an extra ticket and had nothing better to do at one in the morning (besides, well, sleep, but whatever). I expected explosions, robots beating the crap out of each other, and hot chicks inexplicably fawning over total losers.

Mostly, I got that. But unfortunately, I was disappointed. For what I am about to say, I shall be crucified and vilified, I have no doubt. Yet, it must be said.

My criticism is this: Megan Fox is not hot. Seriously. 6/10, at most.

We will now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

bladedSmoke
2009-07-01, 01:43 AM
My criticism is this: Megan Fox is not hot. Seriously. 6/10, at most.


I very much agree. Search "Megan Fox's thumb" on Google Images and, after you've seen it, tell me she's hot. You will not be able to.

Avilan the Grey
2009-07-01, 01:49 AM
I very much agree. Search "Megan Fox's thumb" on Google Images and, after you've seen it, tell me she's hot. You will not be able to.

Funny, I agree with FHM (She was voted, by the readers, the world's sexiest woman two years in a row). Now there are others, obviously; the woman (whatserhname) that plays Emelia Earhart in Night at the Museum II is... wow. I've always loved Lucy Lawless (even before Xena), there is something with her eyes and that smile...

oh well.

kpenguin
2009-07-01, 01:49 AM
I must respectfully disagree. I googled said item and, though her thumb's odd shape is still off-putting, she is, for me, definite in "hot" territory.

chiasaur11
2009-07-01, 01:58 AM
I must respectfully disagree. I googled said item and, though her thumb's odd shape is still off-putting, she is, for me, definite in "hot" territory.

Gotta agree. If one goes into a Seinfeldian tizzy at every physical imperfection, then the category of smoking hot decidedly narrows. Eventually to nothing when you get picky enough.

Jayngfet
2009-07-01, 04:13 AM
I thought it was an ok movie until Jetfire randomly delivered that "prophecy" and teleported everyone. If transformers can be anywhere, going from one planet to the next apparently, why the hell does starscream need to fly? The prophecy thing itself iis nonsensical, we get it with zero warning and context despite it's supposed importance.

And I'm wondering just why the fallen broke his promise on what was either A: his first chance, combined with his personality making me wonder why the other primes didn't kill him before hand or B: Some random planet, meaning that he either did it randomly or energon was seriously down, meaning he was fighting for his entire civilization, making him more noble than meathook mccoupdegrace over there.

Edit: more nitpicks:

Did we really need an eithinicbot? One with a gold tooth?


Also, it's a quarter inch of thumb, don't be so picky.

Mr. Scaly
2009-07-01, 09:40 AM
I heard people making pretty much the same objections to the first movie, so let me just ask this.

When the movie takes place on a planet where the humans outnumber the transformers some five hundred million to one, did you really expect the transformers to take up all the screen time?

I watched it just last night, and my first thoughts are:

-the way they adapted Soundwave was simply diabolical.

-Shia LaBouf (spelling?) is great at acting a young adult in these awkward situations. I really felt for the poor sucker.

-Megatron and Starscream's relationship was more fleshed out and better portrayed.

-I got no sense of racist stereotypes from the autobot twins mostly because THEY HAVE NO SKIN, and they may be morons but they're not ineffective.

-the ending was too abrupt, if still satisfying.

Muz
2009-07-01, 10:30 AM
When the movie takes place on a planet where the humans outnumber the transformers some five hundred million to one, did you really expect the transformers to take up all the screen time?

Insects outnumber humans by about the same margin (give or take), but most of our movies have very little to do with the characterization of insects. I figure--not having seen the movie--that reason #1 why the transformer-to-human screen time ratio is so low is that humans are a lot cheaper to have on screen. (I figure #2 is because Bay just has a problem with the whole car/plane = only object thing and can't conceive that they'd even HAVE character development. ...You know, the same way he feels about women? :smallwink: )

Oh, and a slight side note: Maybe it's context, but Yulian's avatar LOOKS kinda like Michael Bay, doesn't it? Eeeeeeerie.

Mr. Scaly
2009-07-01, 10:45 AM
Insects outnumber humans by about the same margin (give or take), but most of our movies have very little to do with the characterization of insects. I figure--not having seen the movie--that reason #1 why the transformer-to-human screen time ratio is so low is that humans are a lot cheaper to have on screen. (I figure #2 is because Bay just has a problem with the whole car/plane = only object thing and can't conceive that they'd even HAVE character development. ...You know, the same way he feels about women? :smallwink: )

Oh, and a slight side note: Maybe it's context, but Yulian's avatar LOOKS kinda like Michael Bay, doesn't it? Eeeeeeerie.

See though, when we do have movies about insects then they always have very human personas, I.E Antz, A Bug's Life. It makes them easier for the audience to understand and I doubt a movie about a swarming ant colony going about its daily business of consuming, building, laying eggs etc would be very interesting. :smallbiggrin: So, the transformers are given humanesque thought processes and attitudes and such.

And I don't know, I don't keep up on pop culture so Michael Bay's appearance evades me.

Muz
2009-07-01, 11:00 AM
How dare you take my good-naturedly snide comment about insect ratios seriously? :smallwink:

As for Bay, I'd say his Wikipedia entry picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_bay)has a good likeness with Yulian's image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Coeloptera/wamphyriavatar.jpg

"How do you sleep at night?"
"On top of a pile of money, with many beautiful ladies."
"...Just asking."

Mr. Scaly
2009-07-01, 11:02 AM
GAH! Wow. He's...frightening. Hehe...

Darn internet and it's killing of jokes en route. :smallbiggrin:

Muz
2009-07-01, 01:14 PM
Getting back to those who say, "Relax, it's a movie based on a toy line about robots beating each other up!" It's already been said that we're not expecting Shakespeare. (Now I haven't yet seen Tf2, so this is only based on what I've heard and my viewing of the first movie, which was entertaining but not without some flaws.)

These movies are meant to be fun. Actiony, rollercoastery fun. Bay described them in an interview as "silly fun." Fine. No problem! But imagine the movie as a banana split. A banana split is fun! It's dessert, it's sweet, it's frigging ice cream covered in chocolate sauce (and maybe other flavored sauces), whipped cream, and nuts! There's a frigging cherry! A good banana split can be glorious!

Now imagine that you order a banana split, and when it gets to you the banana is mushy and brown. The ice cream is half-melted because someone forgot to put it back in the freezer half an hour ago. The chocolate sauce is thin, cheap, and haphazardly spilled down the sides of the dish. The nuts are cashews. There's not enough whipped cream. The cherry's still there, at least. So instead of a great banana split, you've got a mediocre one that just doesn't taste right, and the tragedy is it could have been a GREAT one if only a little more care had been taken.

To apply the metaphor to just one particular aspect of the movies, you know the action shots during the fight scenes (or even some of the transformations) when the camera is either shaky, too close for you to make out just what's happening, or both, especially because the design of the robots themselves is just so busy with millions of needle-like parts everywhere? I can't help but thinking that what if Bay had thought to pull the camera back, thought to make the designs just a liiiiiittle less busy and a little more distinctive. In short, if he'd just thought to put the ice cream back in the freezer after making the banana split before mine, or taken a little more care with the chocolate sauce.

This has been Mystery Banana Split Theater. Thank you, and good night. :smallsmile:

thegurullamen
2009-07-01, 02:23 PM
Bay has always had that problem. In every movie of his, the one criticism I have that remains universal is that the man needs to learn to zoom the eff out. He doesn't know how to establish the geography of a scene and by this point in his career, he is literally incapable of accepting any unsolicited criticism. If he ever sees or hears such a critique, he probably chalks it up to either his considerably-sized and bitter hatebase or to the "fact" that his critics don't get his "cool style", as if the failure to accept and implement a basic cinematography technique equaled style.

With each passing movie, he's becoming more and more like Uwe Boll. Except with money. And a following. And that scares me.

Evrine
2009-07-01, 04:45 PM
It was a good movie. Not a great movie, but a good one. I agree with the majority and think that a lot of the human scenes could have been cut out entirely or trimmed down, especially the college scenes.

Another thing that bothered me were the total inconsistencies during the final battle. First we get a scene of F/A-18 super hornets taking off, then F-16s launching flares and breaking formation, then F-22s getting blown up, then some A-10s flying away. Yeah, they called in all their forces available, but it just felt disjointed and incoherent, especially given that most of it was probably stock video.

As for the twins, they went back and forth from being annoying to being like two brothers who are trying to one-up each other. With the exception of the gold tooth, they weren't that terrible.

Cryssandra
2009-07-01, 04:52 PM
I liked the movie....
Nothing wrong with it...
Except its length, almost three hours in the theater. It had some funny parts, some sad parts. I liked the healthy dosage of Michael Bay's Explosions.
Spoiler Alert:
It was incredibly sad when i saw Optimus Prime die, I'm not gonna lie, I shed some tears there.

Raenir Salazar
2009-07-01, 05:18 PM
Finally saw the whole thing. And well... they didn't capture the autobots very well, in that they were portrayed as far too human. Far too hypocritical. Optimus went on and on about how humans were too warlike, but apparently he wasn't above mercilessly shooting a wounded opponent in the head. Or ripping a decpticons head into tiny pieces with red hot meet hooks. I seriously had to play that part over and over again, they made it sound like a human skull gettin ripped open. I was actually offended by how they portrayed the *ahem* "black" robots. They are goddamn alien robots. Why were they behaving like dumb, ignorant black folks from the hood? "Naw. We don' really do much readin'." Really??? That's just friggin racist.

Coulda been a lot better.

They are parodying WIGGERS! Not black people. One of the VA's for one of the twins is black himself and suggested that style.

just for the record the "plot hole" about cold working against TFs on earth but not in space please remember SPACE IS NOT COLD and thus not a plothole and besides their space travl forms probaly speifically designed to travel into space.

Raenir Salazar
2009-07-01, 05:22 PM
I saw it today. Honestly, I don't really see anything particularly wrong with it. It wasn't the most amazing movie I've ever seen, but it was giant robots transforming and beating each other up with giant guns and futuristic-looking swords. Maybe its just me, but it doesn't need to be much more complex than than. The only big problems I had with the plot were that:
The Primes sacrificed themselves to hide the key instead of just killing the fallen outright and continuing the functioning of their race, that Jetfire randomly teleported them to Egypt with hardly any explanation at all, and that the Fallen jumped in and took the key but did not kill Optimus, which, realistically, he probably would have.

Otherwise, I thought it was a great movie. However, I agree that it was silly that NEST suddenly got worse at fighting Decepticons over that time period, which is just silly. They were kicking evil robot ass without any idea what they were up against in the first one, and in the second one, they basically just called for help from the Autobots for every fight because they were too inept to win. However, Sideswipe was totally badass. Just saying.


If your referring to the scene in Shanghai they're in CHINA! They can't have major US ordinance going off in the People's Republic of China!

Also for the record I felt these 2 movies was the single BEST showing of the US and US military procedures ever shown in an action movie so take from that what you will.

Also, President Obama reference :D

Yulian
2009-07-02, 12:50 AM
They are parodying WIGGERS! Not black people. One of the VA's for one of the twins is black himself and suggested that style.


Yeah...a great many people, after hearing that, think they failed terribly.

Including the writers of the movie.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-286.html

"From filmschoolrejects.com:

Cole: I heard that the gold tooth was Michael Bayís idea, but do you have any response to those who found The Twins offensive?

Orci: Number one, we sympathize. Yes, the gold tooth was not in the script, thatís true.

Kurtzman: Itís really hard for us to sit here and try to justify it.I think that would be very foolish, and if someone wants to be offended by it, itís their right. We were very surprised when we saw it, too, and itís a choice that was made. If anything, it just shows you that we donít control every aspect of the movie.

Cole: Were you offended by them?

Kurtzman: I wasnít thrilled. I certainly wasnít thrilled.

Orci: Yeah, same reaction. Iím not easily offended, but when I saw it, I thought, ĎSomeoneís gonna write about that.íĒ

- Yulian

Mystic Muse
2009-07-02, 01:30 AM
I thought it was honestly pretty good. however I was dissapointed by a few things

all the sex related jokes.
the pot reference
how cruel optimus is when he kills that one decepticon although the others and Megatron charging him he was justified.
the college part. the only real thing the movie gained from this was the S7 guy later on.
I haven't seen a whole lot of transformers episodes and I don't remember them all but every one I saw MEGATRON was the master of the decepticons.
the two brother robots. while I don't think it was necessarily a racial insult the movie could have done without it.
the entire Sam/megan fox's character fiasco. not necesarry at all.

it wasn't a four star movie and although it could have been done better I still liked it. although you really don't want to watch either if you've seen the series. a good rule of thumb is that if a movie is based off a long running series it's a good idea to not see it if you're a fan of said series.

JadedDM
2009-07-02, 02:52 AM
Now there are others, obviously; the woman (whatserhname) that plays Emelia Earhart in Night at the Museum II is... wow.

Amy Adams. And yeah, she's gorgeous. Especially that scene in the end, where she wears her hair long and has those librarian glasses on. Rawr.


I thought it was an ok movie until Jetfire randomly delivered that "prophecy" and teleported everyone. If transformers can be anywhere, going from one planet to the next apparently, why the hell does starscream need to fly?

Also, you'd think that if you teleported instantly from D.C. to Egypt, it wouldn't be daylight in both. That's what...an 8-9 hour time difference?


...making me wonder why the other primes didn't kill him before hand

Or why they didn't bother destroying the doomsday device rather than just leaving it there to potentially be activated again someday.


It was incredibly sad when i saw Optimus Prime die, I'm not gonna lie, I shed some tears there.

I was a child when the original Transformers movie came out in theaters (the animated one). THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ULg4RSy5Y) is much sadder.

Jayngfet
2009-07-02, 03:16 AM
Wait, people are still surprised Optimus died? I literally went into the movie expecting him to die and come back. After the third or so time it kinda loses the tension.

Also, it's amazing that animated, designed for people with age in single digits was far more mature. It intentionally blurred morals and flawed it's characters. I'd expect animated autobots to kill an unarmed opponent, hell a lot of them wouldn't give last words.

Bayverse Autobots however are supposed to be wholly good. We're supposed to think of them as such because they don't give out free super nukes and won't explode the sun.

Speaking of the sun explosion, if the older transformers had teleportation that could go between planets, why the hell didn't the fallen wait about thirty seconds to check out the next star over.

Avilan the Grey
2009-07-02, 03:48 AM
Amy Adams. And yeah, she's gorgeous. Especially that scene in the end, where she wears her hair long and has those librarian glasses on. Rawr.

Oh I so preferred her with the short hair and spunk. That flight uniform really worked on her, too... I kept hoping (although I knew better) that they somehow would work it out so that they could actually be together.


Also, it's amazing that animated, designed for people with age in single digits was far more mature. It intentionally blurred morals and flawed it's characters. I'd expect animated autobots to kill an unarmed opponent, hell a lot of them wouldn't give last words.

Anyway, back to the issue at hand.
The comic book was, even before it apparently went dark and gritty (which I didn't read) not for "single digit" ages, rather ages 12-15 or so. Where you still think giant robots are cool, but can appreciate the male (human) heroes use of his "powers" to for example snap a pretty girl's bike chain so that he could help her repair it... (In fact, from that perspective, young Witwicky is quite believable as an older version of that character).

Ricky S
2009-07-02, 04:02 AM
Transformers 2, what can I say, good movie not as good as the first, the storyline was less existant, still had awesome battles and was thoroughly enjoyable. Now the only question is what will happen with the third movie? Is there one? Will Optimus die again?

JerryMcJerrison
2009-07-02, 09:57 AM
I think the worst part of the movie wasn't that there was too much focus on the humans, but that there was too much focus on those caricatures of humans. People just aren't that... stupid. The two biggest offenders are Sam's mother and that one dumbass who kept trying to boot the autobots off the planet.

That, and they really didn't need to keep reminding us about the squishy people underfoot when to bots were fighting. Maybe if anyone actually cared about them, and even then, that warrants about a 4-5 second shot of them dodging giant metal feet in the middle. NOT FIFTY SHOTS TO THEM SCURRYING AROUND EVERY OTHER FRAME.
I'm looking at YOU, scene where Prime dies for our sins. *shake fist*

I'm going to stop there, because as soon as I finish typing about one problem, I remember another. I'm just going to pretend the faults weren't there, and remember the parts where everyone was kicking ass (The Twins included, they redeemed themselves towards the end there).

Mr. Mud
2009-07-02, 10:17 AM
I liked the action... but the bits of humor were a little to much for me. I came to see Optimus tear Megatron's face off with a tree. Not Sam's mom run into a flower pot...

Actually, I recently blogged about the movie... check it out in my sig :smalltongue:*

*Because self-promotion truly is shameless.

BHodges3
2009-07-02, 01:11 PM
he's becoming more and more like Uwe Boll.

You have said the name of "that which we do not speak the name of". For shame!!!

Shraik
2009-07-02, 03:36 PM
The fight scenes were poor.

The last one lasted, what an hour? In general I thought it was too drawn out, rely on a stab and run fighting style, that really was sloppy and uncoordinated. The fight scene is an art form, and they'd be good if they weren't consisting of a large amalagam of unitelligble metal scrap. I mean, it was cool, but second rate. It consisted of uncoordinate fighting styles, where megatron or Optimus would just stab through someone. Too much of too messy fight scenes let to a movie that wasn't too good, but passable. Many of the transformers lacked a sense of character they had in the previous film, and Jetfire was probably the only decent transformer introduced. I liked the RC car up until the leg humping. That was just dumb.
They were tolerable, though not very good, entertaining for the most part. THe movie was good. I just love watching the transformers well... transform. It's freaking awesome.

Cryssandra
2009-07-02, 04:16 PM
The fight scenes were poor.

I completely Agree!

I really liked the one with Prime's Death... But I do think they could have done better in Egypt.... Seriously

Aotrs Commander
2009-07-05, 06:23 PM
I liked it, speaking as long term Transformers fan (especially of the Marvel UK continuity). I wasn't expecting much out of it (considering my no expectiations of the last movie, which it exceeded). I found it funny and it had enough explosions to suit me. Also, Starscream once again survived (huzzah!) But then again, I like the Star Wars prequels, Pokemon and the Naruto dub, so what do I know?

No, it wasn't the best thing since sliced bread, but it seems like we're never going to get that sort of thing anymore anyway. (Look at it this way, it's not quite as much a kick in the teeth as Dragonball Evolution was to the DBZ fans, if it didn't quite manage the braod appeal of Star Trek).

Sadly, though I doubt we will see any shows or movies that focus on nonhumans (to the exclusion of the furless apes), since the big thing is the 'human condition' and whatnot. (And of course the ridiculous conception held by most movie critics that something is only 'mature' when it involves a lot of very technical acting (i.e. people being very miserable) and that this is inherently better than everything else.)

On the other hand, no-one has mentioned, but it was nice to see NEST had some British soldiers for once. Making it seems as if our erstwhile allies are at least trying to include us in their big 'saving-the-world' gigs.

I personally had no problems with Bumblebee being fairly badass, since in the aforementioned Marvel UK comics, towards the end, he kinda was. Got quite a few levels over the years, did Bumblebee.

I have to say, while still pretty dire, this version of Wheelie is so much better than the G1 version that the movie deserves to exist soley for that point. Humping a human's leg? Well aside from not being the first Transformer to perve on a fleshling (Ultra Magnus and Sludge, lookin' at you two...), still not as annoying as those tossy rhymes.

English-pirate-old-geezer Jetfire was awesome though. (And also Hah! Jetfire not Skyfire! Score one for the comic continutity!)

Got to say though. Prime dying? No impact at all. Seriously. I've seen Optimus kark it so many times it's literally become humdrum. The only point of interest was whether they'd actually have the balls to make it stick! Apparently not.

Sigh. Grimlock was such a better leader too...