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dillugoa
2009-06-26, 04:08 PM
dragonball z has some of the greatest fighters like ever

marvel has some of the best fighting teams that can only do there best when in the group

dc... well, they got superman

dragonball z rules

chiasaur11
2009-06-26, 04:31 PM
Squirrel Girl wins.

No loopholes, no exceptions.

Prime32
2009-06-26, 04:33 PM
Squirrel Girl wins.

No loopholes, no exceptions.What about Mr. Immortal? That's two points for Marvel and they're on the same team.

Mando Knight
2009-06-26, 04:42 PM
dragonball z has some of the greatest fighters like ever

marvel has some of the best fighting teams that can only do there best when in the group

dc... well, they got superman

dragonball z rules

And DC has Batman (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Batman) and the Green Lantern Corps. When combined, you've got a weapon only bounded by the user's will and imagination combined with the Batman (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/green-lantern-batman.jpg). There's a reason why DC doesn't write stories like that, and it's because they'd run out of villains capable of threatening him after the second issue.

Marvel also has a few deities or demideities (Hercules, Thor), as well as Spider-Man and Iron Man, the former of which can dodge anything thrown at him, given sufficient space, and the latter is capable of building the means to your demise in a cave. With a box of scraps. And then there's the Fantastic Four, whose leader Reed Richards (AKA Mr. Fantastic) is quite capable of working with Tony Stark (AKA Iron Man) to develop anything that neither can build on his own.

Also, please read the Concerning vs. Threads (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70661) thread, stickied at the top of this forum.

chiasaur11
2009-06-26, 05:01 PM
And DC has Batman (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Batman) and the Green Lantern Corps. When combined, you've got a weapon only bounded by the user's will and imagination combined with the Batman (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/green-lantern-batman.jpg). There's a reason why DC doesn't write stories like that, and it's because they'd run out of villains capable of threatening him after the second issue.

Marvel also has a few deities or demideities (Hercules, Thor), as well as Spider-Man and Iron Man, the former of which can dodge anything thrown at him, given sufficient space, and the latter is capable of building the means to your demise in a cave. With a box of scraps. And then there's the Fantastic Four, whose leader Reed Richards (AKA Mr. Fantastic) is quite capable of working with Tony Stark (AKA Iron Man) to develop anything that neither can build on his own.

Also, please read the Concerning vs. Threads (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70661) thread, stickied at the top of this forum.

Heck, Reed is the one guy who makes Stark feel inadequate.

(Which Tony compensates for by having sex with multiple supermodels at once.)

Marvel may not have the best direct brute force guys ever, but they can go on about a billion different fronts at once, and do pretty well at most of them. And they have Squirrel Girl.

DC has its share of useful bits too, if it comes to that. Sgt Frank Rock is the most badass man in comics, and Batman rules all vs threads.

Prime32
2009-06-26, 05:04 PM
If the universes cross over, Batman and Squirel Girl can learn the Fusion Dance. Imagine the possibilities. :smallbiggrin:

Berserk Monk
2009-06-26, 05:07 PM
Dr. Manhattan. Doesn't matter how good a fighter your are, you can't live without matter. But knowing DBZ, I'm sure there are some characters that actually could, but either way, Jon's indestructible, and Marvel's got Galactus and Phoenix.

So, DBZ doesn't rule that much in comparison.

Oslecamo
2009-06-26, 05:30 PM
Heck, Reed is the one guy who makes Stark feel inadequate.

Hey, in one of his latest stories, Reed builds a machine wich shoots the concentrated energy of newborn(just after the big bang) universes at the target! And he built in less than 24 hours! Screw the stretching powers, his genious alone makes him one of the heaviest hitters of the Marvel universe, and the only reason why he isn't in first place it's because of Squirrel girl.

DC has only superman, batman and the green lantern corps, but what they lack in quantity they probably make up for quality. Supermen silver age or batman may actually be able to beat squirrel girl.


DBZ on the other hand has only one true heavy hitter, Goku. Wich isn't exactly known for his smarts. So yes they're screwed.

The real question is: wich universe could whitstand a confront of such epic proportions?

dillugoa
2009-06-26, 05:31 PM
If the universes cross over, Batman and Squirel Girl can learn the Fusion Dance. Imagine the possibilities. :smallbiggrin:

SQURLYBATHERMEFRIDITE!! that is a wierd moment when that happens

dillugoa
2009-06-26, 05:38 PM
DBZ on the other hand has only one true heavy hitter, Goku. Wich isn't exactly known for his smarts. So yes they're screwed.

The real question is: wich universe could whitstand a confront of such epic proportions?

ther is goku vagita gogita vagito brawly napa and all the different versions and there upgrades and stuff and vagita actualy almost killed goku befor he was triple teamed and vagita is worth 15 ratitz while goku is only worth 13



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4FEPy7tkwM ghost nappa rules

Dienekes
2009-06-26, 07:09 PM
DC

They have the Endless.

Yep they have the very aspects of Death, Destruction, Destiny, and Dream on their side.

Nothing else really has a chance if they so choose.

chiasaur11
2009-06-26, 07:16 PM
DC

They have the Endless.

Yep they have the very aspects of Death, Destruction, Destiny, and Dream on their side.

Nothing else really has a chance if they so choose.

Marvel has the Doctor.

Cosmic entities? They're shaking in their boots now.

(Marvel's heroes screw destiny, defy death, and break free of dreams so often it ain't even funny. Now, destruction, I grant you. That's an important part of the superhero gig.)

Good characters, swell comic, but not the be all end all.

Well, Death is at least the local end all, but you know what I mean.

Surrealistik
2009-06-26, 07:42 PM
ther is goku vagita gogita vagito brawly napa and all the different versions and there upgrades and stuff and vagita actualy almost killed goku befor he was triple teamed and vagita is worth 15 ratitz while goku is only worth 13



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4FEPy7tkwM ghost nappa rules

lol ya i know man its liek dc and teh marvel guyz aint gots no chance lol n den der is dat nitemare brolly guy who is vary powerfal hahaha. supersaijack powers away!

KnightDisciple
2009-06-26, 07:52 PM
High powered DC entities that would be threats within the context of this thread (I'll skip the ones mentioned already):
Firestorm (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Rusch_(New_Earth)) (elemental transmutation)
Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi) (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kimiyo_Hoshi_(New_Earth)) (absorbs any and all illumination sources; that would include KI; unlimited energy reserves)
Alan Scott (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_(Alan_Scott)) (he's a Green Lantern, but with magic!)
Blue Beetle (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jaime_Reyes_(New_Earth)) (his powers are on par with Green Lanterns)
Captain Marvel (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Billy_Batson)) (Superman, but magic!)
Dr. Fate (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Fate_(Kent_Nelson)) (super-magician dude; kind of like Dr. Strange, really)
Flash (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wallace_West_(New_Earth)) (Light-speed punch FTW)

I'm sure there are others; this is just a quick listing.

Cheesegear
2009-06-26, 07:58 PM
marvel has some of the best fighting teams that can only do there best when in the group

...WHAT!?


ther is goku vagita gogita vagito brawly napa and all the different versions and there upgrades and stuff and vagita actualy almost killed goku

Within the contents of their own Universe; Yes. They're all quite powerful (except Nappa). But, you're talking about crossing-over into the Marvel Universe where God-Killing Abominations, and Abominable Killer-Gods are the norm (well, not 'norm', but at least in plentiful supply). And Reed Richards can (usually...always?) beat them. Sometimes without even needing direct confrontation.

DB/Z/GT can only seem to solve their problems through fighting. Reed Richards can put you in a pocket dimension and let you rot. No fighting necessary. Goku's one (and only) problem-solving method becomes useless.

And then there's Sentry, who could easily rip Goku in half. Without even trying very hard. Send out anyone with Space-Faring powers (most of the Marvel cast) to kill all Nameks, no Dragonballs left. At all. None of the DB/Z/GT characters can ever return to life. Whereas in MCU, coming back from the dead isn't very hard.

Also, Take your pick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_(Marvel_Comics)). But Cosmic Entities are almost cheating; But, you did say crossovers...And CEs are part of the MCU. Any one of them is an intergral part of the Universe. I'll pick Galactus (the movie version notwithstanding), since he's most prominent; He's survived the Death of a Universe.
The Cosmic Cube kids, they can destroy galaxies.

Nobody in DB/Z/GT has that kind of power.

DCU...Lobo...Or, perhaps The Flash.

Lastly; Scarlet Witch; "No more Dragonball characters."

dillugoa
2009-06-26, 08:33 PM
And then there's Sentry, who could easily rip Goku in half. Without even trying very hard. Send out anyone with Space-Faring powers (most of the Marvel cast) to kill all Nameks, no Dragonballs left. At all. None of the DB/Z/GT characters can ever return to life. Whereas in MCU, coming back from the dead isn't very hard.

The Cosmic Cube kids, they can destroy galaxies.

Nobody in DB/Z/GT has that kind of power.

first goku has come back to life at least 2 times without dragon balls and vagita was more powerfull than goku till he did his 7 year training in heaven
second the sayins can become almost invincible when in great ape mode (unless attacked from behind and become tailess)
third nemekians can regenerat and once destroyed the moon which was replaced be the power of a sayin
forth and final nappa rules

chiasaur11
2009-06-26, 08:35 PM
Has anyone mentioned Jim Corrigan or Crispus Allen as The Spectre?

Living embodiment of the wrath of an omnipotent deity is pretty much as high powered as you get. He let an Anti-God be awakened so there'd be something to give him a fight.

dillugoa
2009-06-26, 08:38 PM
mortal combat peps come into the fight and wat happens

ghost nappa rules

Cheesegear
2009-06-26, 08:53 PM
second the sayins can become almost invincible when in great ape mode (unless attacked from behind and become tailess)

I counter Great Ape with the Hulk, Juggernaut, variant Iron Men and Onslaught (?). Even so, being 'Great Ape' doesn't make them immune to Mind Rape, which almost anyone can do in MCU. And, like you said; Cut off their tails. Which has been shown to be relatively easy.

And then Hulk, Juggernaut and variant Iron Men have all been beaten in their respective Universe. Usually by Reed or some kind of telepath. Or Sentry. Who kicks nine kinds of a*.


third nemekians can regenerat

Means jack-all. EVERYONE in MCU can regenerate. Or, at least, near-everyone. And Namekians can die. I've seen it happen. Multiple times. And, as seen by Cell, you can't regenerate if you're obliterated. Sentry and/or Dr. Manhattan can both do this.


and once destroyed the moon which was replaced be the power of a sayin

Liek no wai! destorign teh moon is so dificult for someon who can manipulat realty at will, leik Scarlet Wich who can say "No more Goku/Vegeta/etc." and thers NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT.

So, in conclusion either
a) You have no scope of the MCU or DCU, and how powerful characters in those respective Universes are. Even if you do take out Cosmic Entities. If so; Go to Wikipedia, and search for characters mentioned in this thread. Or,
b) You are a true DB/Z/GT fanboi, and, as such, nothing in respect to Point A will never be true, purely because 'liek vegita is so powerful!!1' Or,
c) In relation to Point B, you may also even be a troll. And nothing in respect to Point A will ever be true, purely for the sake of argument.

Mando Knight
2009-06-26, 08:57 PM
first goku has come back to life at least 2 times without dragon balls and vagita was more powerfull than goku till he did his 7 year training in heaven
And Superman died as well. He got better.

second the sayins can become almost invincible when in great ape mode (unless attacked from behind and become tailess)
And Superman's almost invincible so long as he's within a couple million miles of a yellow star.

third nemekians can regenerat and once destroyed the moon which was replaced be the power of a sayin
So can Marvel/DC heroes. Lobo and the Juggernaut are pretty much unstoppable, Superman recovered from death pretty much by sleeping it off, Wolverine and Hulk have sufficient regenerative capabilities to heal after being directly hit by a nuclear weapon...

...And speaking of the Hulk (http://marvel.com/universe/Hulk_(Bruce_Banner)), beating him up is not the answer to your problem. He just gets angry. And when he gets angrier, he gets stronger. He's nowhere near as fast as some of the heroes, but he brought Earth-616 to its knees (http://marvel.com/universe/World_War_Hulk?&utm_source=ffx_search&utm_medium=searchbox&utm_content=ffx_search&utm_campaign=extensions) almost by himself when he blamed the death of his wife on Richards and Stark.

forth and final nappa rules
That's not an argument, and can't be confirmed.

WitchSlayer
2009-06-26, 09:21 PM
Do we include the Legion of Superheroes? If so: Matter Eater Lad.

dillugoa
2009-06-26, 09:24 PM
ok first of all i think cheesegear is thinkin of the great apes in the games beuse in the show and comics the humans could fit between the fingers of the great apes and teh only way to kill them is to distract them long enough to cut off ther tail and to make u even mader vagita went great ape without his tail once
another thing if u take any one and rip off there head they can only live so long before they die just like chickens exept more dangerous and pissed off and if u take them apart piece by piece and burn it the cant get it back if it is gone and so is he
one more thing hulk is just like a namekian on lots of steroids and if u have seen the newest movie they can be killed easily with strangalation
one last thing great apes have to have there tails cut off inches from the body and they can (ive seen it) hide there tails in there fur and armor

so in general im trying to say that if ur up agianst a great ape run he can eat u digest u then kill u
and plus chuck noris would kill every one

Surrealistik
2009-06-26, 09:29 PM
Xactly ur all jest a bunch of haters who not respect suparsaijack pwrz. Goku could exploude teh universe blindfoild if he want to wit spirit blombs lol.

dillugoa
2009-06-26, 09:34 PM
Xactly ur all jest a bunch of haters who not respect suparsaijack pwrz. Goku could exploude teh universe blindfoild if he want to wit spirit blombs lol.

exactaly goku could use super spirit bomb he could easily destroy the univers or get prety close

Prime32
2009-06-26, 09:45 PM
This thread is hilarious. Or maybe it's the sleep deprivation I'm suffering right now. Probably the thread.

Mando Knight
2009-06-26, 09:50 PM
exactaly goku could use super spirit bomb he could easily destroy the univers or get prety close

Completely missing the point (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint) in action, folks!

Cheesegear is probably suggesting that Superman or the Flash (read: tactical superluminous speedsters) moves in, cuts off the tail, and waves it in front of the target's face before the guy realizes that his tail is missing.

chiasaur11
2009-06-26, 10:13 PM
This thread is hilarious. Or maybe it's the sleep deprivation I'm suffering right now. Probably the thread.

As the saying goes, a little of column A, a little of column B.

Cheesegear
2009-06-26, 10:39 PM
ok first of all i think cheesegear is thinkin of the great apes in the games beuse in the show and comics the humans could fit between the fingers of the great apes and teh only way to kill them is to distract them long enough to cut off ther tail and to make u even mader vagita went great ape without his tail once

You're assuming a fight is even necessary. If a great ape is rocking around. I think that constitutes extreme circumstances; In which case, Xavier drops his ethics and turns {Goku/Vegita/Take your pick} into a four year old girl who likes gumdrops and rainbows. Threat over. And then someone else cuts his/her head off.

Scarlet Witch tells (anybody you choose) to explode. Reality complies.


another thing if u take any one and rip off there head they can only live so long before they die just like chickens exept more dangerous and pissed off and if u take them apart piece by piece and burn it the cant get it back if it is gone and so is he

Wrong. Wolverine can't be ripped apart. His adamtantium-laced ligaments prevent it. Wolverine also has Plothax and can't be killed. Ever. Not even if he was fighting with Squirrel Girl, who has Plothax to always win. Even against Galactus.


one more thing hulk is just like a namekian on lots of steroids and if u have seen the newest movie they can be killed easily with strangalation

And now you're proving that you have no scope of the MCU, since Movies != Continuity. At the end of Son of Hulk, Hulk is effectively said to be unkillable. And the Hulk {is/will be} the last living being on the planet.


one last thing great apes have to have there tails cut off inches from the body and they can (ive seen it) hide there tails in there fur and armor

Easily done.


so in general im trying to say that if ur up agianst a great ape run he can eat u digest u then kill u

Nah uh bcause supaman is immune to dijestive fluids and if he was eatan he wuld jsut come out teh other end ripping a giant hole in ur great apes reer end and get to teh grate apes tale that way so in general im trying to say that if ur up agianst a supaman you shuld run bcause he wil baet u up

Mando Knight
2009-06-26, 10:50 PM
Nah uh bcause supaman is immune to dijestive fluids and if he was eatan he wuld jsut come out teh other end ripping a giant hole in ur great apes reer end and get to teh grate apes tale that way so in general im trying to say that if ur up agianst a supaman you shuld run bcause he wil baet u up

*Blinks*

Actually, if you hadn't have written it in a style to parody the other poster, this would actually be a rather good argument. :smalleek:

Cheesegear
2009-06-26, 11:08 PM
Actually, if you hadn't have written it in a style to parody the other poster, this would actually be a rather good argument.

That's what makes it so good though. :smallamused:

WitchSlayer
2009-06-27, 12:28 AM
Matter-Eater Lad could eat Goku, Sentry, and Superman...
AT THE SAME TIME

chiasaur11
2009-06-27, 12:35 AM
Matter-Eater Lad could eat Goku, Sentry, and Superman...
AT THE SAME TIME

AND he's a senator. And an Ace attorney.

Of course, even he's nothing next to Chuck "Bouncing Boy" Taine. Dude married Duo Damsel.

Prime32
2009-06-27, 06:52 AM
Forget that, Colour Kid could power-down Super Saiyans by turning their hair black! :smalltongue:

Cheesegear
2009-06-27, 08:54 AM
Batman pulls out Saiyan-Repellant Spray.

Oslecamo
2009-06-27, 09:00 AM
Batman pulls out Saiyan-Repellant Spray.

Considering this is Goku we're talking about, he could probably get away just buying him dinner.

GoC
2009-06-27, 11:39 AM
:smalleek:
Is there any way to eject an OP from his thread?

Prime32
2009-06-27, 01:58 PM
Considering this is Goku we're talking about, he could probably get away just buying him dinner.Even Bruce Wayne wouldn't be willing to pay for Goku's meals. :smallbiggrin:

dillugoa
2009-06-27, 02:55 PM
Forget that, Colour Kid could power-down Super Saiyans by turning their hair black! :smalltongue:

not true there hair is difrent colered depending on wat it was befor the power up

example: brolly has green and then blue hair
example: fusions have different collored hair
example: super sayin 4 have different hair

conclusion: the hair is just an added afect

funny note: when they go supersayin 3 they lose there eye brows

KnightDisciple
2009-06-27, 03:36 PM
Even Bruce Wayne wouldn't be willing to pay for Goku's meals. :smallbiggrin:

Slip him a roofie in his first course. :smallamused:

WitchSlayer
2009-06-27, 04:19 PM
Alternatively, Batman could just wave a needle at Goku.

TengYt
2009-06-27, 07:26 PM
The DBZ universe doesn't stand a chance. Even though DBZ has it's fair share of magicians and deities, at the end of the day, the high-tier characters are good for one thing and one thing only- brute force. They can't do much if they get assimilated or trapped in a pocket dimension or attacked by a hoarde of squirrels. This is pretty much between DC and Marvel, and I'll let people more knowledgable than me about those canons decide who would win.

chiasaur11
2009-06-27, 07:34 PM
The DBZ universe doesn't stand a chance. Even though DBZ has it's fair share of magicians and deities, at the end of the day, the high-tier characters are good for one thing and one thing only- brute force. They can't do much if they get assimilated or trapped in a pocket dimension or attacked by a hoarde of squirrels. This is pretty much between DC and Marvel, and I'll let people more knowledgable than me about those canons decide who would win.

They actually had a scrap once before. Marvel won, thanks to the power of democracy.

Prime32
2009-06-27, 08:02 PM
not true there hair is difrent colered depending on wat it was befor the power up

example: brolly has green and then blue hair
example: fusions have different collored hair
example: super sayin 4 have different hair

conclusion: the hair is just an added afect

funny note: when they go supersayin 3 they lose there eye brows
Colour Kid's powers can change the effects of kryptonite to those of different colours, despite that being an added effect. He could be one of the most powerful characters in DC if he wanted to :smallamused:

Anteros
2009-06-27, 08:35 PM
I'm sorry, but DBZ has characters who can destroy planets with a finger at the beginning. People with a power in the 1000 range move faster than the speed of light. By the end they're around a billion times more powerful than that. They can teleport instantaneously anywhere...including across dimensions, so you can't trap them. Heck, you can't even kill Goku, because if he really wants to, he can just teleport back and keep fighting as a ghost.

I'm not saying DC and Marvel don't have their heavy hitters too..but when you're saying things like "Superman or Batman could take them" it just shows either a heavy bias towards one side or a heavy ignorance.

Realistically, the only beings I've ever come across who could defeat the DBZ universe would be ones who exploit weaknesses of the mind. (Not that Marvel, or DC has a shortage of these.) So basically this is just a question of who attacks who first.

WitchSlayer
2009-06-27, 09:01 PM
DBZ is really inconsistent with it's power. Sometimes they're faster than the eye can see, later on they can be recorded by video cameras.

kpenguin
2009-06-27, 09:08 PM
The problem is, since the OP wants to pit the entirety of the universes against each other, we eventually have Marvel's One Above All, the personification of Marvel as a whole.

I'd say that Marvel, Inc. is more powerful than the DBZ franchise, much less individual characters.

Jesse Drake
2009-06-27, 09:30 PM
first goku has come back to life at least 2 times without dragon balls

Aunt May came back without the aid of anyone, I believe she has him beat... Though I also believe the many cosmic entities of the Marvel Universe are more than enough to beat Dragon Balls heroes, the villains are another story... Kid Buu being the prime example (and Cell being a less than equal other example). Buu could absorb entire teams and use their powers against them... I know the story went Hero v. Hero, but the heroes do fight villains when in another's city.

chiasaur11
2009-06-27, 09:41 PM
Aunt May came back without the aid of anyone, I believe she has him beat... Though I also believe the many cosmic entities of the Marvel Universe are more than enough to beat Dragon Balls heroes, the villains are another story... Kid Buu being the prime example (and Cell being a less than equal other example). Buu could absorb entire teams and use their powers against them... I know the story went Hero v. Hero, but the heroes do fight villains when in another's city.

Bad idea. Absorbing marvel heroes tends to lead to them making you explode with heroic willpower.

Also: Squirrel Girl.

Jesse Drake
2009-06-27, 10:00 PM
Ah, yes, Squirrel Girl... After the battle, hopefully she gets fused with someone interesting... If she fuses with a Saiyan, she'd be a monkey squirrel, and her squirrel companion Monkey Joe, could fuse with King Kais chimp, and then they'd have a monkey joe monkey man, which of course saying monkey so many times in a sentence, I risk opening a wormhole, but this post is worth it...

For the record, I'm in favor of Marvel all the way.

Mando Knight
2009-06-27, 10:15 PM
I'm not saying DC and Marvel don't have their heavy hitters too..but when you're saying things like "Superman or Batman could take them" it just shows either a heavy bias towards one side or a heavy ignorance.

That man (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Batman)won't quit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Determinator), though. None of Supes' (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Comicbook/Superman)allies (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JusticeLeague) will. Him? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Comicbook/Superman)He's got a (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldOfCardboardSpeech)different problem. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpoV5pj1Agw)

kpenguin
2009-06-27, 10:19 PM
Holy TV Tropes linkage, Batman!

doliest
2009-06-27, 10:26 PM
I'm not the most fluent comic reader but considering that marvel has a huge number of gods on their side and that DC had superboy prime punch reality, I'd say that either side could either overpower DBZ, or just rewrite existence also BATMAN iS TEh haxorz and teh saijin iSS going down HULK HOGAN!

OOTS_Rules 2
2009-06-27, 11:04 PM
Marvel alone has supergeniuses like Reed Richards and Tony Stark, superstrong fighters like Sentry and Hulk, gods such as Thor, reality warpers like the Scarlet Witch, plot armor in the form of Squirrel Girl, and even self-awareness in the form of Deadpool. The other universes stand no chance.

Finn Solomon
2009-06-27, 11:12 PM
Are DC allowed to bring in Vertigo? Because if they're not, Marvel wins.

Vertigo has John Constantine, The Endless, Jesse Custer, Spider Jerusalem, The Fables, Yorick Brown...

Okay, I propose Vertigo become independent. And then they win.

chiasaur11
2009-06-27, 11:30 PM
Are DC allowed to bring in Vertigo? Because if they're not, Marvel wins.

Vertigo has John Constantine, The Endless, Jesse Custer, Spider Jerusalem, The Fables, Yorick Brown...

Okay, I propose Vertigo become independent. And then they win.

Squirrel.

Girl.

I'm scared too, but denying the truth doesn't prevent it from being so.

kpenguin
2009-06-27, 11:39 PM
The Endless are canon DC, I thought.

chiasaur11
2009-06-27, 11:50 PM
The Endless are canon DC, I thought.

They're in both.

Books of magic and Sandman for Vertigo, Brave and the Bold (Under Mark Waid) for the main DCU.

Finn Solomon
2009-06-27, 11:53 PM
Squirrel.

Girl.

I'm scared too, but denying the truth doesn't prevent it from being so.

Squirrel Girl has the power of plot. Animal Man can change the plot. What do you think's gonna happen?

kpenguin
2009-06-27, 11:56 PM
One Above All, be-yotch-es.

I'm sorry, but you don't want to mess with Jack Kirby. No sir!

chiasaur11
2009-06-27, 11:58 PM
One Above All, be-yotch-es.

I'm sorry, but you don't want to mess with Jack Kirby. No sir!

No one does.

Darkseid knows not to mess with Kirby. ALAN MOORE knows not to mess with Kirby.

Anteros
2009-06-28, 02:24 AM
That man (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Batman)won't quit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Determinator), though. None of Supes' (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Comicbook/Superman)allies (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JusticeLeague) will. Him? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Comicbook/Superman)He's got a (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldOfCardboardSpeech)different problem. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpoV5pj1Agw)


The difference here is that Batman is going up against people who actually can, and will, instantaneously rip his head right off of his body. Sure, Goku probably wouldn't...but Vegeta, Frieza(sp?) and most of the others would.

Look, I love Batman, and I have no doubt he could plan up something that let DC destroy the DBZ universe if you gave him the time to. However, in a no holds barred fight, where each side just became aware of one another, he's a non-factor.

And let's be honest. SuperMan offers no threat to Goku at all. Even if you take the best of Silver age superman, they'd probably simply be unable to destroy each other.

The fact is, every single competent fighter in DBZ is faster or on par with the Flash. They could vaporize most of Marvel and DC before they even knew the fight had started. However, given they're personalities they probably wouldn't do this...

Most likely, they'd drag the fight out with monologues, and get mind-raped by Xavier or some of the other mind-savvy beings of both universes.

Basically, in terms of raw-power DBZ most likely inches ahead....But in terms of intelligence, Marvel and DC are far ahead. In an arena match, DBZ wins. In any other scenario Marvel or DC take them out due to the fact that they rarely utilize their full power immediately.

WitchSlayer
2009-06-28, 03:45 AM
DC and Marvel's magic users could destroy DBZ. Seriously, just get the Spectre or someone.

Oslecamo
2009-06-28, 05:46 AM
And let's be honest. SuperMan offers no threat to Goku at all. Even if you take the best of Silver age superman, they'd probably simply be unable to destroy each other.

Silver age supermen moves so fast he can go back in time by himself. Go back to where Goku was a baby. Throw him in the sun(or some paralel-cage dimension). Profit.

Superman prime has lived inside the sun for centuries and is immune to everything but mental attacks due to the solar energy he stored. Goku at it's best still bleeded and died.

So please don't say that superman doesn't offer no threat at Goku at all.

Prime32
2009-06-28, 08:09 AM
Silver age supermen moves so fast he can go back in time by himself. Go back to where Goku was a baby. Throw him in the sun(or some paralel-cage dimension). Profit.

Superman prime has lived inside the sun for centuries and is immune to everything but mental attacks due to the solar energy he stored. Goku at it's best still bleeded and died.

So please don't say that superman doesn't offer no threat at Goku at all.DBZ has time machines. And time travel there creates alternate timelines, so if Superman travelled back in time to kill Goku as a baby he would simply vanish from the timeline and be stuck in the new one.

Fan
2009-06-28, 08:14 AM
DBZ has time machines. And time travel there creates alternate timelines, so if Superman travelled back in time to kill Goku as a baby he would simply vanish from the timeline and be stuck in the new one.

But thats assuming a effect created by a DC person follows DBZ time rules. I would hazard DC has moire mastery over the time thing as a WHOLE easily, so they could just keep time killing him.

Mando Knight
2009-06-28, 08:31 AM
The difference here is that Batman is going up against people who actually can, and will, instantaneously rip his head right off of his body. Sure, Goku probably wouldn't...but Vegeta, Frieza(sp?) and most of the others would.

Darkseid. Remember him? Can fight on an even level with Supes? Essentially a god? Yeah. Bats didn't give up even then. That's even where I got the quote from. He even dodged Darkseid's homing eye beams of insta-death.

Anteros
2009-06-28, 09:02 AM
Darkseid. Remember him? Can fight on an even level with Supes? Essentially a god? Yeah. Bats didn't give up even then. That's even where I got the quote from. He even dodged Darkseid's homing eye beams of insta-death.

Oh. You mean the beams that move like a 1000 times slower than a normal bullet? That's what you're going with as an example of power against beings who think and move faster than the speed of light? That he can dodge an offensive weapon that moves at a terrifying 5 miles per hour, and is halted if it hits anything? Really? The DBZ characters don't need to make the Bat quit. They just need to crush the life from him.

Also, if you want to say that time travel works that way (which it doesn't in the DBZ universe)...then Goku could just as easily go back and blow up Krypton before Supes even leaves. Heck, he could just go back and destroy the earth 100 years ago, before any of these heros are ever born. These kinds of arguments are completely ridiculous, circuitous, and circumvent the entire point of the thread. I humbly suggest we discontinue them.

As for Superman Prime...for one thing, DBZ does have several characters with mental powers. They may or may not be able to effect Supes though. Also, you have no proof that prime wouldn't also "bleed and die" if he had to face enemies of the calibur that Goku does. I'm not saying he's a weaking...but it's hard to judge objectively.

Anyway, I'm not even trying to argue that DBZ would win this confrontation. I honestly think that Marvel has this all wrapped up. (because of Xavier) I'm only arguing the point because everyone is writing the DBZ universe off so easily.

Fan
2009-06-28, 09:09 AM
Oh. You mean the beams that move like a 1000 times slower than a normal bullet? That's what you're going with as an example of power against beings who think and move faster than the speed of light? That he can dodge an offensive weapon that moves at a terrifying 5 miles per hour, and is halted if it hits anything? Really? The DBZ characters don't need to make the Bat quit. They just need to crush the life from him.

Also, if you want to say that time travel works that way (which it doesn't in the DBZ universe)...then Goku could just as easily go back and blow up Krypton before Supes even leaves. Heck, he could just go back and destroy the earth 100 years ago, before any of these heros are ever born. These kinds of arguments are completely ridiculous, circuitous, and circumvent the entire point of the thread. I humbly suggest we discontinue them.

As for Superman Prime...for one thing, DBZ does have several characters with mental powers. They may or may not be able to effect Supes though. Also, you have no proof that prime wouldn't also "bleed and die" if he had to face enemies of the calibur that Goku does. I'm not saying he's a weaking...but it's hard to judge objectively.

Anyway, I'm not even trying to argue that DBZ would win this confrontation. I honestly think that Marvel has this all wrapped up. (because of Xavier) I'm only arguing the point because everyone is writing the DBZ universe off so easily.

Umm, your arguement is twice as horribly wrong, because Goku has a taboo against actually killing anyone who isn't absolutely and terribly evil, and has given his life god knows how many times to defend it. He wouldn't GENOCIDE a entire planet to kill a planet of super heroes that he would aggress against as the only people who would attack DBZ earth would be people like Dark Seid (who's EYE BEAMS go WAY faster then 5 MPH, read his damn wiki.), GALACTUS EATER OF WORLDS (who can only be stopped by shooting a ENTIRE BIG BANG of a new born universe at it.), THANOS the Incarnation of DEATH itself, and the Dark Phoenix. DBZ doesn't have a chance in HELL against those kinds of monsters.

Prime32
2009-06-28, 09:22 AM
Scrooge McDuck > DBZ (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/237699)

Anteros
2009-06-28, 09:41 AM
Umm, your arguement is twice as horribly wrong, because Goku has a taboo against actually killing anyone who isn't absolutely and terribly evil, and has given his life god knows how many times to defend it. He wouldn't GENOCIDE a entire planet to kill a planet of super heroes that he would aggress against as the only people who would attack DBZ earth would be people like Dark Seid (who's EYE BEAMS go WAY faster then 5 MPH, read his damn wiki.), GALACTUS EATER OF WORLDS (who can only be stopped by shooting a ENTIRE BIG BANG of a new born universe at it.), THANOS the Incarnation of DEATH itself, and the Dark Phoenix. DBZ doesn't have a chance in HELL against those kinds of monsters.

Right, because Superman kills people all the time. :smallsigh: I never said that Goku would do that. In fact, the entire point of my paragraph was to point out how silly such arguments were. Of course you ignored that part. Because it was convenient I guess.

As for the eye beams...I don't need to read his wiki. Mando was referring to the part in the JLU animated series where Batman dodges Darkseids eye beams. I may have exaggerated about 5 miles an hour, but they certainly don't move much quicker than that. (Note here that I'm only referring to the cartoon.)

As for the other beings of power that you mentioned...I already stated that I think the DBZ universe would lose...so I really don't feel any incentive to argue that either. (You ignored that too.)

OOTS_Rules 2
2009-06-28, 11:01 AM
The answer is nobody, in fact. While in my own opinion Marvel is powerful enough to handle both universes, the fact is that heroes are, well, heroes. They wouldn't kill each other at first glance. If Goku let VEGETA live, he wouldn't try to maul Batman's ass. They would probably all just band together and help take down each universe's powerful-as-hell villains.

North
2009-06-28, 01:03 PM
Squirrel Girl has the power of plot. Animal Man can change the plot. What do you thinks gonna happen?

Ill raise you with she hulk. Shes self aware that shes in a comic book so much shes crossed into the editors page.

But really Marvel and DC both overpower DBZ. DBZ has a lot of over the top brute force, but Marvel/DC have that and crazy stuff beyond that. They have the people that can go toe to toe with supersazyin charging up for ten episodes or whatever dbzers, but what gives the comic verses the win is how many reality controllers they have.

Dont bring a fist to a god fight.

dillugoa
2009-06-28, 01:07 PM
i think that DBZ could win because they also have all the versions of buu and after thay kill someone they can absorb them and they cant get out unless they are defeated and the kid buu can stop a spirit bomb that could destroy the univers with his bare hands and thats his kid version
another thing is that vagita and NAPPA could make little dudes that r good distractions
and the freeza and cell people can realy pwn too so yeah

North
2009-06-28, 01:13 PM
i think that DBZ could win because they also have all the versions of buu and after thay kill someone they can absorb them and they cant get out unless they are defeated and the kid buu can stop a spirit bomb that could destroy the univers with his bare hands and thats his kid version
another thing is that vagita and NAPPA could make little dudes that r good distractions
and the freeza and cell people can realy pwn too so yeah

Right.

How are they going to deal with a telepathic virus?

TengYt
2009-06-28, 01:20 PM
Or, you know, GETTING EATEN BY GALACTUS?!

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2009-06-28, 01:42 PM
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