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Prime32
2009-07-02, 07:37 AM
Samus Aran vs. Sho Fukamachi, aka Guyver-I. Would he need to call the Guyver Gigantic or could he stand against her on his own?

Guyver Op (1986 version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAvM7XYwbgU&fmt=18)
Guyver Op (2005 version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raLGRGGNIRU&fmt=18)

Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio_Booster_Armor_Guyver)

Here's some of the stuff the Guyver has:

Enhanced speed and agility

Super-strength great enough to punch through concrete

Highly durable armour

Immunity to mind control

Small growths in the host's back function as organic transmitters, allowing him to summon the armour from a subspace pocket at will while creating a shockwave which destroys everything around the host in a small area. The transmitters can also sense the transmitters of other nearby hosts.

Rapid regeneration. If the host's brain is damaged the Guyver will take control and attack any nearby threats until the damage is repaired. Likewise, the armour will refuse to disengage if its host would die without its regenerative abilities.

If the "Control Medal" on the Guyver's forehead is removed the host is rapidly consumed by the armour and dissolves, but a "backup" of the host and armour will later regrow from the Medal. In the early stages this takes the form of a berserk mass of tentacles extending from the Medal.

Sonic Buster: Produces high-intensity sound waves capable of shattering objects and disorienting foes.

Hyper Sense: Can detect heat signatures and electromagnetic fields.

Head Beam: A heat laser fired from the armour's forehead, capable of gibbing weaker Zoanoids in one shot (the "weaker" Zoanoids being things like giant mutant gorillas).

High-Frequency Swords: A pair of wrist-mounted vibroblades which can cut through almost anything.

Gravity Control Orb: A waist-mounted device which allows the Guyver to fly or use the "Pressure Cannon", a thrown orb of intense gravity which can shatter the strongest physical barriers

Mega-Smasher (aka "Cheney's pacemaker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm8se1MaYco&fmt=18)"): The Guyver opens the panels in its chest to reveal two orbs which draw in energy then fire a devastating blast powerful enough to gouge mountains. This attack cannot be used if the Guyver's chest armour has taken damage (though a single orb can be fired on its own). It also requires a brief period to charge, which makes it impractical given the fast and brutal nature of most of the fights in the series.

Then there's the Guyver Gigantic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvVqUwjOY5A&fmt=18), which is about twice the size.

Can generate high-power gravitic forcefields

High-Frequency Swords can extend like whips

Three Head Beams, one of which is fifteen times more powerful than the original.

Sonic Buster is doubled in power

Can fly at high speed with organic jet engines

Gravity Fist: Extremely powerful melee attack

Gravity Ram: A "spear" attack similar to Samus's Shinespark attack on a larger scale

Giga Smasher: A combination of the Mega-Smasher and Pressure Cannon, with one hundred times the power of the original Mega-Smasher. Capable of destroying cities.

Exceed Mode: Transforms into "Gigantic Exceed", turning blood-red and growing to a height of 52 metres. Gains the ability to create controlled black holes, and other weapons increase in power proportional to their size.

Muz
2009-07-02, 10:42 AM
It depends on where the fight took place. Big open area with lots of things to jump around on and lava? Samus wins. Warehouse with lots of supply closets? Samus loses.

...What do you mean this isn't the Samus vs. MacGyver thread? :smallcool:

Mewtarthio
2009-07-02, 10:48 AM
No, I think McGuyver would have a decent change regardless. He'd probably die in an open field, but he could definitely take Samus down with him. He'd just have to survive long enough to reverse-engineer Chozo technology and improvise a fake powerup that really kills whoever absorbs it. Samus would see the powerup, think she'd beaten the boss (because, let's face it, how many people bother to scan the powerups?), and die.

Also, I move we just decide on a single thread as the official "Who can beat Samus?" thread.

Prime32
2009-07-02, 10:49 AM
Also, I move we just decide on a single thread as the official "Who can beat Samus?" thread.Hey, I thought I made it pretty clear that Guyver Gigantic Exceed could kill Samus (and "normal" Gigantic still has good odds). I was just asking if his normal form could do it.

Guyver seems to have the power advantage, but he has a glaring weakpoint on his forehead which Samus could discover by scanning him. Then again, few of his enemies have ever tried to smash it, so... yeah. One inactive Guyver unit in box form had its Control Medal damaged when it collided with a tree, but it might be protected by a forcefield or something while in use.

As for other characters who could beat Samus... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Claw)

Piedmon_Sama
2009-07-02, 11:38 AM
Don't worry Prime32, I like Bio-Booster-Armor Guyver and stopped calling it McGuyver years ago.

(Never played Metroid though.)

Rutskarn
2009-07-02, 11:57 AM
...What do you mean this isn't the Samus vs. MacGyver thread? :smallcool:

Dammit, that would be a Vs. thread well worth the forum space.

Mando Knight
2009-07-02, 11:59 AM
Hey, I thought I made it pretty clear that Guyver Gigantic Exceed could kill Samus (and "normal" Gigantic still has good odds). I was just asking if his normal form could do it.

Guyver seems to have the power advantage, but he has a glaring weakpoint on his forehead which Samus could discover by scanning him. Then again, few of his enemies have ever tried to smash it, so... yeah. One inactive Guyver unit in box form had its Control Medal damaged when it collided with a tree, but it might be protected by a forcefield or something while in use.
Guyver could beat Samus... but it's unlikely since her modus operandi when taking down enemies of equal or greater strength is to take down any glaring weaknesses spotted by the Haxx0r Visor. Gigantic Guyver just blows stuff up, and would make a tougher boss fight than Mogenar (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ThatOneBoss/Action). Unless Guyver decides to use his Wave Motion Gun instead of his faster attacks, in which Samus has the advantage. She's used to dodging such superfluously devastating yet incredibly slow attacks.

As for other characters who could beat Samus... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Claw)
Dark Claw can beat anyone. Because he's the goddamn Dark Claw, Bub. :smalltongue:

Prime32
2009-07-02, 12:20 PM
Guyver could beat Samus... but it's unlikely since her modus operandi when taking down enemies of equal or greater strength is to take down any glaring weaknesses spotted by the Haxx0r Visor. Gigantic Guyver just blows stuff up, and would make a tougher boss fight than Mogenar (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ThatOneBoss/Action). Unless Guyver decides to use his Wave Motion Gun instead of his faster attacks, in which Samus has the advantage. She's used to dodging such superfluously devastating yet incredibly slow attacks.
What if he flies up and fires straight down? Watch the Guyver Gigantic vid if you haven't already.

As for "just blows stuff up", there's still his great speed and those extending, flexible vibroblades.

Mando Knight
2009-07-02, 12:26 PM
What if he flies up and fires straight down? Watch the Guyver Gigantic vid if you haven't already.
Guyver Gigantic? Then Samus would have to get the frack out of there if she wants to live. She'd probably take a hit, then collapse on the ground even though she's still got energy left, allowing Guyver Gigantic to get the kill unless Deus Ex Machina Character X comes in and saves Samus, recharging her and giving her the weapon needed to beat him. But unless this is on Zebes and Samus met the Super Metroid a few screens back, that probably isn't going to happen. :smalltongue:

As for "just blows stuff up", there's still his great speed and those extending. flexible vibroblades.
Which all inevitably lead to stuff blowing up. :smallwink:

Prime32
2009-07-02, 12:28 PM
Which all inevitably lead to stuff blowing up. :smallwink:Or being sliced in two, disintegrating or imploding.

Badgercloak
2009-07-03, 04:20 PM
The Guyver wins.

Why? Cause he's right behind me help!

:smallbiggrin:

Prime32
2009-07-03, 04:34 PM
The Guyver wins.

Why? Cause he's right behind me help!

:smallbiggrin:That shouldn't be a problem. Unless you're a Zoanoid. Are you a Zoanoid? Answer truthfully.

Thrawn183
2009-07-03, 06:26 PM
I'd swear I've seen a live action version of this Guyver. I...remember the orbs from his head?

Mando Knight
2009-07-03, 06:28 PM
That shouldn't be a problem. Unless you're a Zoanoid. Are you a Zoanoid? Answer truthfully.

Huh. Well, Samus isn't, and Guyver isn't a Space Pirate, so this entire thread is moot. :smalltongue:

Prime32
2009-07-03, 06:55 PM
I'd swear I've seen a live action version of this Guyver. I...remember the orbs from his head?There were a couple of live-action movies with Mark Hamill...

Prime32
2009-07-03, 06:57 PM
Huh. Well, Samus isn't, and Guyver isn't a Space Pirate, so this entire thread is moot. :smalltongue:Chronos (the villains of the series) have infiltrated every organisation known to man, so they could probably have their men in the GF give Samus a mission to kill Guyver. While they're at it, they can experiment with adding Metroid DNA to their Zoanoids. :smalleek:

If, rather than "kill Guyver", the mission is "retrieve the Guyver's Control Medal so we can reverse-engineer it" then Guyver has the advantage.

Mando Knight
2009-07-03, 07:15 PM
If, rather than "kill Guyver", the mission is "retrieve the Guyver's Control Medal so we can reverse-engineer it" then Guyver has the advantage.

And then Samus touches a Control Medal, absorbs it into her Power Suit, and becomes Bio-Boosted Guyver Samus, DEFENDER OF THE MULTIVERSE! :smalltongue:

Y'know what, I like that idea better than vs. threads.

chiasaur11
2009-07-03, 07:17 PM
Chronos (the villains of the series) have infiltrated every organisation known to man, so they could probably have their men in the GF give Samus a mission to kill Guyver. While they're at it, they can experiment with adding Metroid DNA to their Zoanoids. :smalleek:

If, rather than "kill Guyver", the mission is "retrieve the Guyver's Control Medal so we can reverse-engineer it" then Guyver has the advantage.

Wait.

Every organization?

Looks like X-Com has some purges to complete.

Indon
2009-07-03, 10:20 PM
And then Samus touches a Control Medal, absorbs it into her Power Suit, and becomes Bio-Boosted Guyver Samus, DEFENDER OF THE MULTIVERSE! :smalltongue:

Y'know what, I like that idea better than vs. threads.

Pick a hero and find how many silly ways they could be empowered by other universes?

Mando Knight
2009-07-03, 10:42 PM
Pick a hero and find how many silly ways they could be empowered by other universes?

YES. After all, that's how we got Dark Claw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Claw). (Though I think Wayne should have been mixed with Stark for double-playboy super-Crazy-Prepared Power-Suit-wearing Awesome.)

Prime32
2009-07-04, 12:38 PM
And then Samus touches a Control Medal, absorbs it into her Power Suit, and becomes Bio-Boosted Guyver Samus, DEFENDER OF THE MULTIVERSE! :smalltongue:

Y'know what, I like that idea better than vs. threads.Except that the data on the Control Medal can only be removed with an ancient artefact. If she tried that the Control Medal would consume her and use her as raw materials to reconstruct Sho.

Granted, since the Unit Remover takes the form of a chargable energy beam, Samus could probably incorporate one into her Arm Cannon.



Wait.

Every organization?

Looks like X-Com has some purges to complete.Elaborate. Their infiltrators are capable of transforming into monsters more powerful than tanks. Some of them are in the US Congress. Their plan is to reveal all of them at once on the same day and take over the world. And you know what? It worked. :smalleek:

KnightDisciple
2009-07-04, 12:40 PM
YES. After all, that's how we got Dark Claw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Claw). (Though I think Wayne should have been mixed with Stark for double-playboy super-Crazy-Prepared Power-Suit-wearing Awesome.)

I dunno. Mixing Stark with Green lantern was pretty awesome in itself.

Plus, Batman's used power armor in regular comics before.

....Oh, here we go. Mix Wayne, Logan, and stark.:smallbiggrin:

Prime32
2009-07-04, 12:42 PM
I dunno. Mixing Stark with Green lantern was pretty awesome in itself.

Plus, Batman's used power armor in regular comics before.

....Oh, here we go. Mix Wayne, Logan, and stark.:smallbiggrin:
Why not four? Because we know how Batman/GL turned out.
http://www.movieguys.org/wp-content/uploads/green-lantern-batman1.jpg

Mando Knight
2009-07-04, 12:51 PM
Except that the data on the Control Medal can only be removed with an ancient artefact. If she tried that the Control Medal would consume her and use her as raw materials to reconstruct Sho.

Granted, since the Unit Remover takes the form of a chargable energy beam, Samus could probably incorporate one into her Arm Cannon.

I thought there was more than one Control Medal? (because the wiki article seems to state that there's more Guyvers than just Sho)

KnightDisciple
2009-07-04, 12:51 PM
Well, I would say something about overkill, but...
Sure, why not.:smalltongue:

Prime32
2009-07-04, 01:00 PM
I thought there was more than one Control Medal? (because the wiki article seems to state that there's more Guyvers than just Sho)Yeah, each Guyver has its own Control Medal. Once it bonds with a host, the Medal makes constant "backups" of their body and mind for regeneration purposes and will not accept another host unless this data is deleted. This data can only be deleted by the "Unit Remover", which happens to look and function a lot like an Arm Cannon (an uncharged shot causes the Guyver to "loosen" for a moment).

There were 3 Guyvers in the series, all of which have found hosts. Guyver-II had its Control Medal damaged and consumed itself.

Note: I'm using "Guyver" here to refer to the armour, not the character. In future I'll refer to him as Sho or Guyver-I.


See this (http://www.theempire.com.au/images/2005-07-08/Guyver%201%20Figure.jpg) in the bottom-left corner? That's a Guyver unit without a host.

Mando Knight
2009-07-04, 01:05 PM
Well, I would say something about overkill, but...
Let Howard Tayler explain for me.
http://store.schlockmercenary.com/v/vspfiles/photos/P-R37-2.jpg

Prime32
2009-07-04, 01:09 PM
Guyver wins because it's a Pokémon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNkkLWCdd0&fmt=18) and a Duel Monster (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Neos). Is Samus a Pokémon and a Duel Monster? I thought not. :smalltongue:

Mando Knight
2009-07-04, 01:29 PM
Guyver wins because it's a Pokémon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNkkLWCdd0&fmt=18)

Bio-Boosted Armor Grovyle!

Here's what Bio-Boosted Samus/Guyver might look like, sans the gigantic head-spike:
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/c/cb/FusionSuit_Perspectives1.PNG

Prime32
2009-07-04, 01:56 PM
Oh, I forgot. According to tfwiki.net, Guyver is also Cheetor (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Cheetor_(TransTech)).

thubby
2009-07-04, 08:41 PM
if samus had any chance, it would be with super bombs and whatever super missiles she had to essentially nuke the majority of the battlefield.