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ScionofImperius
2009-08-18, 01:22 AM
I want to play an undead, specifically a double evolved undead gravetouched ghoul rogue, but i am hesitant, due to the lack of a con score. can anyone help me find a way around it? i am especially looking for a hit point and fort save increase.

sonofzeal
2009-08-18, 01:23 AM
Cheesy - "Faeries Mysteries Initiate" gives you Int instead of Con to hp. I don't think any DM would allow this though.

Kylarra
2009-08-18, 01:32 AM
Take improved toughness. Requires base fort save +2, but gives you 1 hp/level rather than the 3 of normal toughness.

Also can be taken as a fighter bonus feat.

Mongoose87
2009-08-18, 01:32 AM
Improved Toughness?

EDIT- Ack! Ninja!

peacenlove
2009-08-18, 01:35 AM
Cheesy - "Faeries Mysteries Initiate" gives you Int instead of Con to hp. I don't think any DM would allow this though.

Might, might not. I for one allow charisma to determine hp as a feat. But i mainly use undead as advesaries.
Improved toughness and a 2.400 gp amulet in MIC that gives 24 temp hp are your best bet.

Teron
2009-08-18, 01:40 AM
That feat requires you to be an elf, though. Even if your DM lets you qualify as an undead elf (for extra cheesiness!), it requires you to have sex with someone else who has the feat. Good luck with that. :smalleek:

Anyway, your fort save isn't actually going to matter much, as long as you protect yourself against disintegrate. For HP, I can't think of much besides Improved Toughness. A good hit die might compensate somewhat, but as a rogue... frankly, I think you're boned, unless your DM lets you have a custom item that grants unholy toughness or something.

TheCountAlucard
2009-08-18, 03:00 AM
...Be created in a desecrated area by a high-level Dread Necromancer with the Corpsecrafter feats? That'd do it. :smalltongue:

RTGoodman
2009-08-18, 09:53 AM
See if your DM will allow you to take Unholy Toughness as a feat. (It's the special quality some undead have that gives them Cha to HP instead of Con.)

Johel
2009-08-18, 10:03 AM
Or, if you get a cheap way to get access to spells :
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/energyDrain.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/harm.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/enervation.htm
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/falseLife.htm

That's as good as nothing...

Telonius
2009-08-18, 10:04 AM
That feat requires you to be an elf, though. Even if your DM lets you qualify as an undead elf (for extra cheesiness!), it requires you to have sex with someone else who has the feat. Good luck with that. :smalleek:

Well, there is the "Lichloved" feat from BoVD.

(I feel dirty for even having mentioned that possibility... :smalleek:)

Irreverent Fool
2009-08-18, 02:07 PM
Well, there is the "Lichloved" feat from BoVD.

(I feel dirty for even having mentioned that possibility... :smalleek:)

"Want to swap feats, baby?"

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TheCountAlucard
2009-08-18, 02:16 PM
...yet there's no feat that undead can qualify for by being a disgusting biophiliac. :smalltongue:

EDIT: So, I take it you're not going with my suggestion?

Jalor
2009-08-18, 02:21 PM
"Want to swap feats, baby?"
That was in the backstory of a lich of mine. One of his students wanted to appear undead to skeletons and zombies, and he wanted to gain her magical resilience. Sex ensued.