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multilis
2009-10-28, 06:26 PM
Ansom was planning a decapitation strike after a pause in the war to consolidate.

Charlie asks Parson, why is there a pause in the war?

Parson seems to try to distract Charlie in his replies.

What next?

The decapitation attempt would seem to open up possibillities, including action by Charlie and some of his 600 archons... If Stanley's army is mostly gone, then a good time to go for Stanley.

Kaed
2009-10-28, 06:58 PM
He is quite clearly lying to Charlie. His bizarre behavior and talk of various TPs is uncharacteristic for someone not drunk.

While I suppose it's possible that Ansom was disheartened after Queen Bea's suicide, he seems to be a skilled strategist. I doubt he's going to be so dumb as to whine at the massing Royals instead of striking down Jetstone.

TigerHunter
2009-10-28, 07:04 PM
Which is why Parson also fed Charlie the line about GK running into financial problems. Ansom stalling for time/taking advantage of the lull to seek allies is a very plausible scenario.

Kasavin
2009-10-28, 07:20 PM
Eh, I imagine GK city itself is going to be heavily defended at all time, and Ansom isn't going to sacrifice capital defense to go after Jetstone, just use their massive lead in troops to smash the still recovering Monarchy.

Kaed
2009-10-28, 07:20 PM
Which is why Parson also fed Charlie the line about GK running into financial problems. Ansom stalling for time/taking advantage of the lull to seek allies is a very plausible scenario.

Well, I don't believe Ansom ever told Bea that the Decrypted had no upkeep.

I mean, just the thought is probably considered silly and broken in Erfworld terms... oh wait.

multilis
2009-10-28, 09:17 PM
Eh, I imagine GK city itself is going to be heavily defended at all time, and Ansom isn't going to sacrifice capital defense to go after Jetstone, just use their massive lead in troops to smash the still recovering Monarchy.
Agreed, but with *600* archons Charlie might be able to free up enough for an attempt against a heavily defended capital, and he can get Parson to run the odds or find out how many are needed.

Sounds to me like Charlie may be stronger than the entire royal alliance, especially with his mobillity. (As was already hinted in Book 1 with the first 2 calcs Charlie got Parson to run and then how quickly he could get that many archons to GK)

Charlie has the motivation now... Wanda's archons allow others to know his secrets, and his secrets are a level of safety against threats. (Hard to successfully attack someone if you don't know what he has, and what his weaknesses are)

TigerHunter
2009-10-28, 09:55 PM
Well, I don't believe Ansom ever told Bea that the Decrypted had no upkeep.
Whether or not he did, the info wasn't in her letter to Don, so it's a mute point.


Agreed, but with *600* archons Charlie might be able to free up enough for an attempt against a heavily defended capital, and he can get Parson to run the odds or find out how many are needed.

Sounds to me like Charlie may be stronger than the entire royal alliance, especially with his mobillity. (As was already hinted in Book 1 with the first 2 calcs Charlie got Parson to run and then how quickly he could get that many archons to GK)

Charlie has the motivation now... Wanda's archons allow others to know his secrets, and his secrets are a level of safety against threats. (Hard to successfully attack someone if you don't know what he has, and what his weaknesses are)
I highly doubt Charlie can afford that, if he's even capable of mustering such an assault. His forces are spread out over a sizable portion of the world, and he's almost entirely dependent on revenue from mercenary work to pay the archons' upkeep. He'd be throwing away hundreds of lucrative mercenary contracts for several dozen turns (if Caesar can be five turns from the capital and still be in Transylvito's territory, Charlie may have archons hundreds of turns away) in order to throw his entire military into a meat grinder. And for what? A city he doesn't want, an arkentool he probably wouldn't be able to attune to, and a "thank you" from the RCC?

Lamech
2009-10-28, 10:25 PM
If Charlie knew about the dwagon farming he might be worried about Stanley say... Stabbing him in the face with 1000 dwagons in a few hunderd turns. He can't be happy about GK taking over the world. He will get curbstomped as soon as Stanley can do it. Its why he is probably messing with the gobwins.

Of course, if Charlie says to everyone "hey look I'm a threat" he will get curb stomped. If the neutralish Charlie suddenly has a horse in the fight, who might he go after next? No, Charlie survives because no one bothers to take him out; he is not a threat, and he is heavily defended. He has a city. He will die if he gets the world annoyed at him.

multilis
2009-10-29, 12:06 PM
We don't know how fast archons move, in book 1 Charlie could get enough archons to GK to take it in a matter of a turn. Teleport may be involved.

Charlie may be capable of getting 200+ archons of various lvls freed up (while others continue to make money or guard home).

Yes some are tied up making money, but he only has one city to defend so less are tied up in defense.

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-10-29, 12:21 PM
We don't know how fast archons move, in book 1 Charlie could get enough archons to GK to take it in a matter of a turn. Teleport may be involved.
The key bit here comes from Parson's discussion with the Archons (http://www.erfworld.com/2009/10/summer-updates-–-046/). The Archons have such fast response time because there are bunches of them stationed all over the place waiting to be activated. As Gobwin Knob was clearly a "hotspot," its safe to say those Archons were already in the vicinity.

Oslecamo
2009-10-29, 02:09 PM
Screw Archons, it seems like Charlie convinced Jillian to do an airstrike herself.

Question is, where is that airstrike headed?

TigerHunter
2009-10-29, 03:06 PM
We don't know how fast archons move, in book 1 Charlie could get enough archons to GK to take it in a matter of a turn. Teleport may be involved.
The number of archons that were needed to take GK then is very different than the number that would be needed now. And the teleport thing seems unlikely.

multilis
2009-10-29, 09:38 PM
The number of archons that were needed to take GK then is very different than the number that would be needed now...
Agreed. But if Charlie has surplus archons "sitting by hotspots", it is possible for him to move many of these archons towards GK.

So rather than being able to field 30 archons in a turns notice, he may be able to field 100-300 if he wanted GK no more intel leaks, 2 tools and a mathomancy gadget that is almost as good as a tool badly enough.

To a certain extent if you have units all over you have may have a sort of relay system which speeds up movement, eg if 50 archons return home, a different 50 from home can go further the same turn without reducing home defences.

Obviously he would prefer to get them hired by locals so he gets paid twice, or use free labour/natural allies like Jillian first before sacrificing his own units.

We know that GK can go after Charlie if they wanted (eg. if stanley found out about the gobwins), so Charlie can't be that far away.

Necrus Philius
2009-10-30, 01:44 AM
Relay system would be pointless with archons, here's why.

They aren't mounts. Moving archons from point A to point B then moving archons from point b to a again would make no difference. The dragon relay works because you can have 1 unit move 10 dragons worth of move in a turn by having the dragon use its full move to get to a city, then using a dragon in tht city to use its full move and so on and so forth.

multilis
2009-10-30, 02:18 AM
Relay system would be pointless with archons, here's why.

They aren't mounts. Moving archons from point A to point B then moving archons from point b to a again would make no difference. The dragon relay works because you can have 1 unit move 10 dragons worth of move in a turn by having the dragon use its full move to get to a city, then using a dragon in tht city to use its full move and so on and so forth.
Suppose charlie has surplus 30 archons 1 turn east of home, and always needs 100 to guard home, and wishes 30 archons 1 turn west of home.

Rather than take 2 turns, you send the archons east to home then a different 30 archons from home to the west spot in 1 turn.

If you have bases all over the place you can shuffle surplus units using less turns, and there is flexibillity in being "near hotspot just in case" (eg can be 1 or more turns away in any direction).

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-10-30, 07:13 AM
The dragon relay works because you can have 1 unit move 10 dragons worth of move in a turn by having the dragon use its full move to get to a city, then using a dragon in tht city to use its full move and so on and so forth.
What are these dragons you speak of? Are they anything like dwagons? :smallamused:

In any case, as multilis said, the Archon relay is a different goal than the dwagon relay. In the dwagon relay, the goal is to move a specific non-dwagon rider vast distances in a short period of time. The Archon relay's goal on the other hand is to get any Archons—it doesn't matter which ones—to a specific hotspot in a short period of time without sacrificing readiness at the nearest staging point.

fangthane
2009-10-30, 10:59 AM
Hmm, that makes me wonder whether the archons could potentially do a trapeze-act style relay to propel their teammates onward (i.e. 2 carry 1, 3 carry 2 who hold a third in an upside-down triangular formation) - those carried on the first link use their move to carry others on the second, and those at the bottom use their move to go beyond the rest. Wouldn't be perfect by any means, and effectively it's a mechanism which would increase troops-to-target slightly while stranding a number of others en route, but it may be possible.

:smallfurious: :smallfurious: :smallfurious:
. :smallannoyed: :smallannoyed:
. . :smallbiggrin:

Something like this (with attitudes to match for those left behind)

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-10-30, 11:30 AM
The whole need for relay is because the world is based on game mechanics. You probably can't get a free ride unless the creature giving it to you is classified as a Mount.

fangthane
2009-10-30, 01:23 PM
Ahh, but you're just assuming that. Has anyone (minds out of my gutter now, kiddies!) ever even tried to mount an archon? :)

Y'know... For travel?

Moglorosh
2009-10-30, 08:45 PM
Whether or not he did, the info wasn't in her letter to Don, so it's a mute point."Moot" point. But yes, you are correct. Info that died with the queen is irrelevant.


Ahh, but you're just assuming that. Has anyone (minds out of my gutter now, kiddies!) ever even tried to mount an archon? :)

Y'know... For travel?Since Parson can't ride a dwagon, I doubt anything bigger than a Marbit could ride an Archon... Maybe a Gobwin? *Crafts disturbing mental image*.

Demented
2009-10-30, 09:36 PM
Maybe a Gobwin? *Crafts disturbing mental image*.

Who was wondering why Gobwin's Knob can't find any Gobwins?

multilis
2009-10-30, 10:07 PM
The whole need for relay is because the world is based on game mechanics. You probably can't get a free ride unless the creature giving it to you is classified as a Mount.But we *know* that archons work as mounts... Charlie sent 3 archons to GK in book 1 to carry Parson to him (Parson declined and got Charlie to wait by giving 60% odds of beating Ansom).

If 3 archons can lift Parson, and Parson is too heavy for a dragon to carry, but a single dragon *can* carry 2 regular units, then a single archon comes at least close to being able to carry a single regular unit. - Edit: qualification some archons may be better than others as transports due to leveling or their natural magic abillities.

In some games, those that can carry others can't be carried themselves (eg Age of Wonders series).

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-10-31, 09:04 AM
"Moot" point. But yes, you are correct. Info that died with the queen is irrelevant.
Given that the upkeep status of Decrypted would be valuable info, I can't see Bea letting it die with her. So it's extremely unlikely she ever learned this tidbit.


But we *know* that archons work as mounts... Charlie sent 3 archons to GK in book 1 to carry Parson to him (Parson declined and got Charlie to wait by giving 60% odds of beating Ansom).
Point taken.

LurkerInPlayground
2009-11-03, 02:07 PM
Who was wondering why Gobwin's Knob can't find any Gobwins?
There's a likelihood that Charlie did something with the Gumps and Gobwins. We also know that Charlie strengthened Faq by helping them with an early conquest.

My guess is that Charlie is:
- attempting to weaken Gobwin Knob (Stanley hates Charlie)
- strengthen the Coalition
- play both sides against the other so he can hire out his services
- making a bid for any number of magical toys (i.e. Parson's calculator and the Arkentools)
- making a bid at capturing the "perfect general," so he can use employ him

He's a sly one, that Charlie. He doesn't believe in a losing outcome.

LurkerInPlayground
2009-11-03, 02:19 PM
Given that the upkeep status of Decrypted would be valuable info, I can't see Bea letting it die with her. So it's extremely unlikely she ever learned this tidbit.
Charlie doesn't know about Gobwin Knob's newfound gem wealth.

grumbleboom
2009-11-03, 04:14 PM
I have two guesses

1. Charlie has been moving the marbits into the surrounding mountains and destroying the local gobwin tribes. Using the marbits, he's been watching Stanley's trips out to find wild dwagons and is going to use that information to veil units in each of the mountain hexes closest to GK. They let Stanley fly out, and then hit him on the way back in.

2. Hit GK with marbits, archons, and Jillian's airforce and ground troops (which she has made just enough of to mount each gwiff)

multilis
2009-11-03, 06:09 PM
I have two guesses

1. Charlie has been moving the marbits into the surrounding mountains and destroying the local gobwin tribes. Using the marbits, he's been watching Stanley's trips out to find wild dwagons and is going to use that information to veil units in each of the mountain hexes closest to GK. They let Stanley fly out, and then hit him on the way back in...
Supposedly that is impossible if Stanley scouts with archons and returns to GK every turn... archons are suppose to be immune to veils according to Parson's original discussion with Stanley on the dragon hunting.

Though in practical terms no one really knows what is possible, for example linking up 3 thinkomancers might do nothing or might give unheard of powers to get into the minds of enemy units.

LurkerInPlayground
2009-11-03, 08:21 PM
It's probably simpler. Marbits and Gobwins probably hate each other. Charlie is probably just giving strategic support and funding to the Marbits, ensuring that they'll quietly wipe out Gobwins.

Basically, the same thing he did with Jill. Free service. But you keep mum about it. He doesn't need a whole lot of Archons to enact his will and he probably has unknown Thinkamancy powers that help.

Indon
2009-11-05, 01:46 PM
But we *know* that archons work as mounts... Charlie sent 3 archons to GK in book 1 to carry Parson to him (Parson declined and got Charlie to wait by giving 60% odds of beating Ansom).
Archons have random special abilities.

Those special abilities might be drawn from a very large list indeed.

Wymmerdann
2009-11-08, 12:30 AM
Given that the upkeep status of Decrypted would be valuable info, I can't see Bea letting it die with her. So it's extremely unlikely she ever learned this tidbit.

Of course, the fact that a decrypted unit has no upkeep would be immedietely apparent to any erfworld unit) or indeed Parson, if he has the glasses) that encounters it.

Tidbit, yes. But the first battle that leaves any survivors should spread the nature of decrypted to common knowledge within erfworld.


As for the mount discussion, I would point people to the summer updates where it was shown that any unit can become an archer unit, simply by using a missile weapon, they will simply be ineffective as one. Similarly we were shown that Parson cannot ride Dwagons, despite them being a mount unit. From this we can draw a conclusion that any unit can be a mount unit, but the efficiency of, say, a twoll, will be less than a horse, rug, dwagon or group of archons.


On a side note of page 4 the newer updates, given that lots of dwagons and decrypted archons are with Ansom; an airstrike by charlie, Transylvito or even Faq (with their new allies) could probably level Gobwin Knob, killing both Parson and Stanley, and reducing the threat of the decrypted by making them barbarian.

Though for plot purposes I doubt this will happen, there would be at least a few turns wherein this is a viable strategy, as all those archons and dwagons would take quite some time to return home.

Necrus Philius
2009-11-08, 02:06 AM
It's been 50 or so turns since TBFGK, that's 50 dwagons popped alone by the arkentool. Not to mention 1-2 additional a turn from the dwagon hunt/tame parson made up to get stanley occupied. Not to mention any survivors from the actual battle that stanley brought back (1 he rode on for sure)

So that's 100-201 dwagons at least. Overkill for any fight if ansom brought them all.

Besides if it was safer with the army than Stanley would be there. He's still at home base because of the chance of him being croaked. So as powerful as the army is, the main base is just gonna be that much better defended.

Ansom didn't put everything into this fight, what he did was stopped expansion and consolidated all the forces being use to increase GKs side and put them towards tking out jetstone.

lord_khaine
2009-11-08, 09:13 AM
It's been 50 or so turns since TBFGK, that's 50 dwagons popped alone by the arkentool. Not to mention 1-2 additional a turn from the dwagon hunt/tame parson made up to get stanley occupied. Not to mention any survivors from the actual battle that stanley brought back (1 he rode on for sure)

So that's 100-201 dwagons at least. Overkill for any fight if ansom brought them all.


No, to start with GW have not been making dwagons alone, its not the hammer that pops the dwagons, it just makes it possible to produce them.

Also, the dwagons would still have a upkeep, they are not a free army like the decryptet.

Wolfman42666
2009-11-08, 11:08 AM
Likely because dwagons start off a lot stronger than pretty much anything else, and can get much stronger through leveling, as parson's trap in book one showed, also quick question has it been stated anywhere that decrypted can still level?

HandofShadows
2009-11-08, 02:06 PM
Even the uncroaked where able to level. And the decripted are very much alive and so should level as normal.

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-11-08, 10:49 PM
Of course, the fact that a decrypted unit has no upkeep would be immedietely apparent to any erfworld unit) or indeed Parson, if he has the glasses) that encounters it.
Only warlords and casters can see stats. So, no, not any unit can see the stats
Upkeep does not appear to be part of viewable stats. Parson only sees Move, Hits, Combat, Defense, and Special. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0044.html) EDIT: Oh, wait, but he can see Ansom has no upkeep… (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0158.html). Hm. I guess the latter is canon.


As for the mount discussion, I would point people to the summer updates where it was shown that any unit can become an archer unit, simply by using a missile weapon, they will simply be ineffective as one. Similarly we were shown that Parson cannot ride Dwagons, despite them being a mount unit. From this we can draw a conclusion that any unit can be a mount unit, but the efficiency of, say, a twoll, will be less than a horse, rug, dwagon or group of archons.
Archery being an ability that can be gained through proper armament, doesn't imply anything about what is required to act as a mount.


On a side note of page 4 the newer updates, given that lots of dwagons and decrypted archons are with Ansom; an airstrike by charlie, Transylvito or even Faq (with their new allies) could probably level Gobwin Knob, killing both Parson and Stanley, and reducing the threat of the decrypted by making them barbarian.
Gobwin Knob's forces have been growing at an alarming rate—especially the decrypted and dwagons. Having hordes of decrypted and dwagons on Jeststone's doorstep does not imply that Gobwin Knob has been left defenseless. Neither Parson nor Ansom would approve of that.

krossbow
2009-11-09, 02:36 AM
edit: Gah, nevermind. not allowing scripts must have blanked out text or something.

Lysander
2009-11-09, 11:34 AM
You know, I don't think Parson really lied to Charlie. They aren't really trying to conquer cities anymore (not that they mind doing so). At a certain point overextending yourself leaves you with thinned out forces and plenty of weak points. Taking out Jetstone is just a necessary move to break up the giant alliance forming against them.

LurkerInPlayground
2009-11-09, 08:16 PM
You know, I don't think Parson really lied to Charlie. They aren't really trying to conquer cities anymore (not that they mind doing so). At a certain point overextending yourself leaves you with thinned out forces and plenty of weak points. Taking out Jetstone is just a necessary move to break up the giant alliance forming against them.
People said the same thing about Hitler.

Godwinned baby.

krossbow
2009-11-09, 09:08 PM
You know, I don't think Parson really lied to Charlie. They aren't really trying to conquer cities anymore (not that they mind doing so). At a certain point overextending yourself leaves you with thinned out forces and plenty of weak points. Taking out Jetstone is just a necessary move to break up the giant alliance forming against them.

i'm confused here. i haven't seen anything on the summer updates dealing with charlescom; have i just missed something?

LurkerInPlayground
2009-11-09, 10:40 PM
i'm confused here. i haven't seen anything on the summer updates dealing with charlescom; have i just missed something?
Yes.

Parson has a couple with conversations with Charlie.

Drakron
2009-11-09, 10:40 PM
No, to start with GW have not been making dwagons alone, its not the hammer that pops the dwagons, it just makes it possible to produce them.

Also, the dwagons would still have a upkeep, they are not a free army like the decryptet.

Actually GW itself poops one per turn without even being requested (notice how after the battle when it was GW turn there was one flying over the town despite not being much of a town?) and the hammer might not poop then but it does tames then and they been have taming the ones that naturally poop in the wilderness.

So that is 100/150 in 50 turns (1 GW pooped + 1 or 2 tamed) and even if they might have a upkeep they are so rich they can support it.

TigerHunter
2009-11-10, 12:01 AM
Actually GW itself poops one per turn without even being requested (notice how after the battle when it was GW turn there was one flying over the town despite not being much of a town?) and the hammer might not poop then but it does tames then and they been have taming the ones that naturally poop in the wilderness.

So that is 100/150 in 50 turns (1 GW pooped + 1 or 2 tamed) and even if they might have a upkeep they are so rich they can support it.
Incorrect.


"I guess," shrugged Stanley. But he was showing some interest. "It used to take me two or three turns to find one when I would go out hunting, way back when. But it was still faster than popping them, and sometimes I'd get lucky and find two. Or three, this one time! I-"

Additionally, if GK popped a dwagon every turn, one or two would have popped after Stanley abandoned the city. The blue that popped immediately after the battle was in GK's production queue for a few turns, and just happened to be completed on that turn.

LurkerInPlayground
2009-11-10, 12:27 AM
Additionally, if GK popped a dwagon every turn, one or two would have popped after Stanley abandoned the city. The blue that popped immediately after the battle was in GK's production queue for a few turns, and just happened to be completed on that turn.
Hunh.

I just took it to be a wild Blue Dwagon that just flew overhead at the time.

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-11-10, 09:44 AM
Parson has a couple with conversations with Charlie.
And a very enlightening discussion with decrypted Archons regarding their previous employer.


I just took it to be a wild Blue Dwagon that just flew overhead at the time.
Look closely and see the "Pop" sound effect (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F144.jpg) just before the dwagon appears.

SteveMB
2009-11-10, 02:09 PM
Oh, wait, but he can see Ansom has no upkeep… (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0158.html). Hm. I guess the latter is canon.

I'm not entirely sure whether he can actually see that, or if he's asking Wanda if decrypted Ansom's upkeep is zero (like an uncroaked). Also, we don't know for sure whether what Parson sees through the glasses is exactly the same info, no more and no less, than what commanders see naturally.

Necrus Philius
2009-11-11, 07:27 PM
Incorrect.



Additionally, if GK popped a dwagon every turn, one or two would have popped after Stanley abandoned the city. The blue that popped immediately after the battle was in GK's production queue for a few turns, and just happened to be completed on that turn.

You misquoted. He is talking about taming, wherein parson comes up with an idea to make finding one every turn possible by having others scout and sending him out with a retinue to tame it. I'll check up on the popping thing later, but its mentioned very early on.

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-11-11, 09:09 PM
I'm not entirely sure whether he can actually see that, or if he's asking Wanda if decrypted Ansom's upkeep is zero (like an uncroaked). Also, we don't know for sure whether what Parson sees through the glasses is exactly the same info, no more and no less, than what commanders see naturally.
Yeah. I thought about that when rereading that strip a third time. After seeing references on the Erfworld Wiki to Upkeep being an unseeable stat (http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/Stats#Knowable). Add to that that I also re-discovered that we got a direct view of Jack's stats-as-Parson-sees-them with no upkeep…

Yeah, I'm sure Parson was asking Wanda now. And Wanda's confirmation implies that she instinctively knows the Upkeep of units she creates herself. Or at least pretends to and got lucky.

TigerHunter
2009-11-11, 11:40 PM
You misquoted. He is talking about taming, wherein parson comes up with an idea to make finding one every turn possible by having others scout and sending him out with a retinue to tame it. I'll check up on the popping thing later, but its mentioned very early on.
I didn't misquote, that was exactly what my point was. Taking two or three turns to find a dwagon is faster than popping a dwagon, which rebuts Drakron's claim that GK pops a dwagon a turn.

Drakron
2009-11-11, 11:58 PM
He is talking about taming...

I am, its on Summer Update 35.

http://www.erfworld.com/page/20/

Also we can get a pretty idea of what GK was producing on Summer Update 45, half of turns were of Hobgobwins

http://www.erfworld.com/page/10/

Also even if Gobwin Knob (City) does not poop then every turn, the update 35 is clear they are getting at least 1 or 2 per turn by taming alone, since update 35 happened at GK turn 8 and we are at least turn 55 that means that at the very least they must be 55 dwagons in GK side (they got 2 dwagons tamed at the end of turn 8).

Even if its half of the number I used before its still a impressive force.

Also TigerHunter, Stanley abandoned GK (city) during GK turn, the rest of the battle was done on the coalition turn so even if there was a dwagon on GK production it would only poop on GK turn.

Edit: And no, they are NOT taking 3 turns to find a dwagon to tame, read the summer update.

Edit2: fixing links since they will point to the wrong page every time there is a new update (that just happened), if they are screwed up just look for older entries.

Shhalahr Windrider
2009-11-12, 01:14 AM
Also even if Gobwin Knob (City) does not poop then every turn…
Please, the city does not poop dwagons or any other unit. It pops them. I think we're at a point where pooping is only relevant when Sizemore needs materials for his golems.


Edit2: fixing links since they will point to the wrong page every time there is a new update (that just happened), if they are screwed up just look for older entries.
Relevant permalinks are as follows:

Update 35: http://www.erfworld.com/2009/10/summer-updates-035/

Update 45: http://www.erfworld.com/2009/10/summer-updates-045/

Slayn82
2009-11-12, 07:47 AM
Well, now Wanda is going to croak a few enemies, get some information, and then strike Jetstone. Only one thing to say:

Lovelly.

Leewei
2009-11-14, 02:00 PM
So anyone else think she's dressed as Magenta from Rocky Horror?

Slayn82
2009-11-15, 07:01 AM
Flash Mob! Is that Naughthamancy? Anyway, that would do a good wallpaper... :smallbiggrin:"the enemy can see nothing else in this hex" indeed

Edit: Anyway, Avast is indicating a Worm from the adds from BlindFerret.:smallconfused:

Leewei
2009-11-15, 10:52 AM
"Flash casting" ...!

Bwahahahahaha!

rewinn
2009-11-15, 03:02 PM
So anyone else think she's dressed as Magenta from Rocky Horror?

Magenta, or her memetic ancestor Bride of Frankenstein (http://www.mootzie.com/frankenstein/bride.jpg)

Leewei
2009-11-15, 03:09 PM
The haircut is definitely Bride of Frankenstein (borrowed in Rocky Horror as shown here (http://www.rockymusic.org/showimage/d1bcb42893b0fd0b48e2864821c02330.php)). The outfit looks like the one in the linked image.

sihnfahl
2009-11-16, 09:20 AM
Is that Naughthamancy?
It's a Shockmancy spell, probably. With a bit of foolamancy involved...

TigerHunter
2009-11-20, 10:48 AM
Also TigerHunter, Stanley abandoned GK (city) during GK turn, the rest of the battle was done on the coalition turn so even if there was a dwagon on GK production it would only poop on GK turn.
...no. Please stop pretending to be an authority on all things Erfworld. Additionally, please stop putting an extra 'o' in popping.

Stanley left the city here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F077.jpg). On the Coalition's subsequent turn, they did nothing but scout the city (and, presumably, move the column), as evidenced here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F081.jpg). We see dawns here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F086.jpg) and here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F104.jpg), one is not shown but we see a change of day from here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F099.jpg) to here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F100.jpg). The city did not fall on the same day Stanley left. In fact, Ansom delaying his assault by a turn was kinda an important plot point (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F101.jpg).


Edit: And no, they are NOT taking 3 turns to find a dwagon to tame, read the summer update.
I did. I never said that it takes 3 turns to find a dwagon to tame at present. And it's a bit rich that you're telling me to go read the summer update when your own information is consistently off by a wide margin.

Jallorn
2009-11-25, 04:42 PM
...no. Please stop pretending to be an authority on all things Erfworld. Additionally, please stop putting an extra 'o' in popping.

Stanley left the city here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F077.jpg). On the Coalition's subsequent turn, they did nothing but scout the city (and, presumably, move the column), as evidenced here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F081.jpg). We see dawns here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F086.jpg) and here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F104.jpg), one is not shown but we see a change of day from here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F099.jpg) to here (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F100.jpg). The city did not fall on the same day Stanley left. In fact, Ansom delaying his assault by a turn was kinda an important plot point (http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F101.jpg).


I did. I never said that it takes 3 turns to find a dwagon to tame at present. And it's a bit rich that you're telling me to go read the summer update when your own information is consistently off by a wide margin.

Yay for Tiger's cohesive arguments with many references. Lol.

Slayn82
2009-12-09, 04:02 PM
Well, 12/09/09.

Wanda proposes to decrypt Jack. People in the Erfworld forums focus on her descent into the madness, but i suggest a simpler explanation: She is going to face Jillian, and by croaking Jack she would show Jillian that they would all stay together. Or she is afraid Jack could intervene somehow.

Because, they have a dragon relay sistem, just send Jack to the capital to rest until the next turn.

multilis
2009-12-10, 06:04 PM
Because, they have a dragon relay sistem, just send Jack to the capital to rest until the next turn.
As pointed out on Erfworld forums, Jack likely will die before next turn if he doesn't get some sort of at least partial heal...

Wanda when incapacitated in book 1 by Charlie's archons (right after Ansom went "I accept" on contract when Wanda was about to get him) would croak if not healed according to Maggie.

Suicide Junkie
2009-12-15, 11:41 PM
Incapacitation seems to happen a lot...
Can Erfworlders survive down to, say -10 hits, provided they have the regen special, or are stabilized by healomancy before the end of the turn?