ABR Discussion Thread XXIX: Where we talk about bears....

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Wow....my first thread ever:smalleek:

Also, looks like main page needs some updating....I'm going to look at it later tonight....

[Lyinginbedmon]

Got a thing for a bears there skimmer? :smallconfused:

[Keris]

Got a thing for a bears there skimmer? :smallconfused:

Whenever no-one on the IRC is saying anything (i.e. most of the time), -skimmer- says that we're talking about bears.

[Nameless]

Well, my monitor broke for no apprent reason, soI'm currently using the family's laptop. This means ofcourse, that I won't be able to post up any comics for now. Yayness.

[Squark]

Hey guys, I was thinking of doing a brief webcomic using the various ABR characters. Essentially, it'd be a retelling of Macbeth The Scottish Play :smallwink: , so the kids in my english class have something besides spark notes to use.


A brief list of cast members so far

Macduff- Almighty Salmon
Lady Macduff & Son- Miscellaneous flying landfish
Macbeth The King- Dunno about this one.
Lady Macbeth- Threeshades
Duncan- Lyinginbedmon
The Witches- Kpenguin, SinisterPenguin, and Myself, since the three of us look enough alike.
The Porter- Q, because they have similar personalities.


Any thoughts?

[Mina Kobold]

Hey guys, I was thinking of doing a brief webcomic using the various ABR characters. Essentially, it'd be a retelling of Macbeth The Scottish Play :smallwink: , so the kids in my english class have something besides spark notes to use.


A brief list of cast members so far

Macduff- Almighty Salmon
Lady Macduff & Son- Miscellaneous flying landfish
Macbeth The King- Dunno about this one.
Lady Macbeth- Threeshades
Duncan- Lyinginbedmon
The Witches- Kpenguin, SinisterPenguin, and Myself, since the three of us look enough alike.
The Porter- Q, because they have similar personalities.


Any thoughts?

I would have comments... But my school fortunately only forced me to read Hamlet so I got no idea what Macbeth's about :smalltongue:

[Nameless]

I would have comments... But my school fortunately only forced me to read Hamlet so I got no idea what Macbeth's about :smalltongue:

It's about awesomeness.

[Mina Kobold]

It's about awesomeness.

Still don't like it.

I really don't like Shakespeare nor any other writer of any time between the middle ages and the 20th century.

Mostly because of school.

[Nameless]

Still don't like it.

I really don't like Shakespeare nor any other writer of any time between the middle ages and the 20th century.

Mostly because of school.

Reading Shakespeare is fun. Studying Shakespeare, or any other book or play is not. I like to read a book with out having to write an essay after. :smallannoyed:

[Khaeta]

Yeah.
It's pretty sad, actually, the number of books that have been ruined for me by school...
:smallfrown:

[SinisterPenguin]

Hey Skim, in the OP, you might want to add (Managed by Tiffanie Lirle) next to the FFF: Reboot archive link. And put a space after the colon. :smalltongue:

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Hey Skim, in the OP, you might want to add (Managed by Tiffanie Lirle) next to the FFF: Reboot archive link. And put a space after the colon. :smalltongue:

It's already on my "to do" list. I'll fix it all at once when I get some time for it....thanks anyway....

[Mina Kobold]

Reading Shakespeare is fun. Studying Shakespeare, or any other book or play is not. I like to read a book with out having to write an essay after. :smallannoyed:

While I certainly agree with the "study" part and find it utterly stupid that the teacher has to teach us about books they claim to be classics that everybody knows about and thus will talk about, I'm not so sure about the "fun" part; Hamlet is very political, written for the high class and ends with everybody dying without accomplishing anything, I can't sympathise with any of the characters and thus don't find it interesting...

Why do you find it fun?

[The Gremlin]

While I certainly agree with the "study" part and find it utterly stupid that the teacher has to teach us about books they claim to be classics that everybody knows about and thus will talk about, I'm not so sure about the "fun" part; Hamlet is very political, written for the high class and ends with everybody dying without accomplishing anything, I can't sympathise with any of the characters and thus don't find it interesting...

Why do you find it fun?

There's a reason you can't sympathize (spell it the AMERICAN way, dang you! :smallfurious::smallwink:)with Hamlet: In my opinion, he's just a little bit crazy. Of course, I've only read abridgments of the story and watched the beginning of the play, so maybe I'm not so reliable.
Shakespeare does have some good writings, though. The Tempest is cool, from the abridgments I've read of it. :smalltongue:
Remember: Back then, good writings were very rare. Fantasy barely existed, there weren't many big novels, most of which were pretty unrealistic...
When Shakespeare and Doyle and Twain and Schulz came along, people were dying for some decent writing/plays/cartoons. Amusing, realistic plays, realistic, interesting novels, cynical, actually funny, realistic cartoons...
That's my exdplanation. Also, Garfield SUCKS! :smallfurious:
:smallwink:

[Squark]

Oh, Shakespeare found ways to put in humor here and there if you know where* to look... although a lot of it is lost on modern readers.


*I am using the right form of where, right? It's been bugging my for ages, even though I'm a native English Speaker (From the Geeky state of Wisconsin, Birthplace of both D&D and, if I've heard correctly, Magic: The Gathering. It's probably the winters).

[Darklord Bright]

A lot of shakespeare's humor is actually really raunchy. Read "The Taming of the Shrew".


Petruchio: Come, come, you wasp, i’faith you are too angry.
Katherine: If I be waspish, best beware my sting.
Petruchio: My remedy is then to pluck it out.
Katherine: Ay, if the fool could find where it lies.
Petruchio: Who knows not where a wasp does wear his sting? In his tail.
Katherine: In his tongue.
Petruchio: Whose tongue?
Katherine: Yours, if you talk of tales, and so farewell.
Petruchio: What, with my tongue in your tail?

Do the math.

[kpenguin]

No new FFF:R comics for days... I am very dissapointed in all of us.

[Mina Kobold]

There's a reason you can't sympathize (spell it the AMERICAN way, dang you! :smallfurious::smallwink:)with Hamlet: In my opinion, he's just a little bit crazy. Of course, I've only read abridgments of the story and watched the beginning of the play, so maybe I'm not so reliable.
Shakespeare does have some good writings, though. The Tempest is cool, from the abridgments I've read of it. :smalltongue:
Remember: Back then, good writings were very rare. Fantasy barely existed, there weren't many big novels, most of which were pretty unrealistic...
When Shakespeare and Doyle and Twain and Schulz came along, people were dying for some decent writing/plays/cartoons. Amusing, realistic plays, realistic, interesting novels, cynical, actually funny, realistic cartoons...
That's my exdplanation. Also, Garfield SUCKS! :smallfurious:
:smallwink:

Not really, I can sympathise (Well, my teacher kinda told us we needed to choose between British and American and you see... Sorry:smallfrown:) with much crazier people. It's just that they all are high class and the plot is pretty political and I'm neither, The Lion King was a better story even though it's the same one since I understood their motivation and what the heck was going on.
Oh and there's not a thing that's "rotten" in the state of Denmark, it is and has since the 11th century been A KINGDOM :smallfurious:



*I am using the right form of where, right? It's been bugging my for ages, even though I'm a native English Speaker (From the Geeky state of Wisconsin, Birthplace of both D&D and, if I've heard correctly, Magic: The Gathering. It's probably the winters).

Yes you are, "where" is referring to place and "were" refers to having been. "where" is one of the question words and they all start with "wh" as in what and when, that's the way I remember it at least. :smallsmile:

[Ninja Chocobo]

No new FFF:R comics for days... I am very dissapointed in all of us.

Man I don't know about everyone else but I kinda wrote myself into a corner.

[Mina Kobold]

Man I don't know about everyone else but I kinda wrote myself into a corner.

I just don't know what I'm supposed to do, my characters a professional mercenary and they don't chit-chat when on a mission (unless there's booze involved :smalltongue:)

[The Gremlin]

Not really, I can sympathise (Well, my teacher kinda told us we needed to choose between British and American and you see... Sorry:smallfrown:) with much crazier people. It's just that they all are high class and the plot is pretty political and I'm neither, The Lion King was a better story even though it's the same one since I understood their motivation and what the heck was going on.
Oh and there's not a thing that's "rotten" in the state of Denmark, it is and has since the 11th century been A KINGDOM :smallfurious:



Yes you are, "where" is referring to place and "were" refers to having been. "where" is one of the question words and they all start with "wh" as in what and when, that's the way I remember it at least. :smallsmile:

Funny you compare it to the Lion King, since the Lion King uses a lot of elements from one of Shakepspeare's plays (even some of the names).
The Lion King sucks, though. King Lear and the Tempest are way better.

[BRC]

There's a reason you can't sympathize (spell it the AMERICAN way, dang you! :smallfurious::smallwink:)with Hamlet: In my opinion, he's just a little bit crazy. Of course, I've only read abridgments of the story and watched the beginning of the play, so maybe I'm not so reliable.
Shakespeare does have some good writings, though. The Tempest is cool, from the abridgments I've read of it. :smalltongue:
Remember: Back then, good writings were very rare. Fantasy barely existed, there weren't many big novels, most of which were pretty unrealistic...
When Shakespeare and Doyle and Twain and Schulz came along, people were dying for some decent writing/plays/cartoons. Amusing, realistic plays, realistic, interesting novels, cynical, actually funny, realistic cartoons...
That's my exdplanation. Also, Garfield SUCKS! :smallfurious:
:smallwink:
Abridgments? Really, you've read "Abridgments". I fear for our youth. Hamlet is a very great play, and yes, he's a little bit crazy, but that dosn't mean his motivations are too outlandish to be understandable.
If this be madness, there be a method to it.

But seriously, see the plays (Done well), read the actual texts, not Abridgments. Then you can talk about Shakespeare.


However, Garfield does, indeed, suck. Well, kind of. Individually, it's comics are mediocre, a nice bit of simple humor for the funny pages, nothing special, but good for the occasional chuckle over breakfast. It sucks when taken as a whole, at which point you realize it's formula is totally unchanging, that the comic could easily have been produced by a machine.

[The Gremlin]

Abridgments? Really, you've read "Abridgments". I fear for our youth. Hamlet is a very great play, and yes, he's a little bit crazy, but that dosn't mean his motivations are too outlandish to be understandable.
If this be madness, there be a method to it.

But seriously, see the plays (Done well), read the actual texts, not Abridgments. Then you can talk about Shakespeare.


However, Garfield does, indeed, suck. Well, kind of. Individually, it's comics are mediocre, a nice bit of simple humor for the funny pages, nothing special, but good for the occasional chuckle over breakfast. It sucks when taken as a whole, at which point you realize it's formula is totally unchanging, that the comic could easily have been produced by a machine.

Not to mention that Jim Davis once admitted that he does Garfield solely for commercial purposes.
You misunderstood me, though. I was saying that BECAUSE I've only read abridgments, I'm not reliable. I am fully aware of how much they can suck.
I also know Hamlet has a method to his madness. I'm saying it's hard to sympathize with some of the things he does. If I'd killed someone by accident, I wouldn't keep up the crazy act.
Hamlet is, by definition, a tragedy. It's only fair that everybody should go a bit crazy.

[BRC]

Not to mention that Jim Davis once admitted that he does Garfield solely for commercial purposes.
You misunderstood me, though. I was saying that BECAUSE I've only read abridgments, I'm not reliable. I am fully aware of how much they can suck.
Very well.

Also, Davis is bland because he takes no risks. Look at Gary Larson, generally considered to be one of the greatest cartoonists. Read through the Far Side Gallery, which talks how he constantly got complaints and how his editors rejected Cartoons. He Danced on the edge (sometimes unintentionally) and produced greatness.

[Mina Kobold]

Funny you compare it to the Lion King, since the Lion King uses a lot of elements from one of Shakepspeare's plays (even some of the names).
The Lion King sucks, though. King Lear and the Tempest are way better.

It uses elements of and is based of one of them, I presumed it was Hamlet and thus found it appropiate... I even mentioned them being the same story.
I by the way like that movie, it was my favourite movie as a child and I still think it's a good movie :smallannoyed:

@BRC: I read the Danish translation - Fortunately I don't need to know anything about the original as that's not the point of our English classes - which is a lot closer than abridgements and I still don't like it. I believe that qualifies me to say it weren't interesting to me, granted not many realistic stories are.
But I know nothing of anything else by Shakespeare, what's Macbeth about for example?

[BRC]

It uses elements of and is based of one of them, I presumed it was Hamlet and thus found it appropiate... I even mentioned them being the same story.
I by the way like that movie, it was my favourite movie as a child and I still think it's a good movie :smallannoyed:

@BRC: I read the Danish translation - Fortunately I don't need to know anything about the original as that's not the point of our English classes - which is a lot closer than abridgements and I still don't like it. I believe that qualifies me to say it weren't interesting to me, granted not many realistic stories are.
But I know nothing of anything else by Shakespeare, what's Macbeth about for example?
Reading the Translation would explain the problem. Shakespeare is great, not because of the Plots, but because of the writing (which is why it should really be seen, or at least heard). I could tell you the plot of Macbeth, but that wouldn't tell you a thing about why it's considered so great.

[The Gremlin]

Very well.

Also, Davis is bland because he takes no risks. Look at Gary Larson, generally considered to be one of the greatest cartoonists. Read through the Far Side Gallery, which talks how he constantly got complaints and how his editors rejected Cartoons. He Danced on the edge (sometimes unintentionally) and produced greatness.

Like that Jane Goodall one...although that one had a happy ending. :smallbiggrin:
The trouble is, now all the single panel comic strips are ripping off the Far Side. Except Bizarro. Bizarro rips it off, too, but it rips it off well, it uses its own jokes, and it has a better art style.

[T-O-E]

Very well.

Also, Davis is bland because he takes no risks. Look at Gary Larson, generally considered to be one of the greatest cartoonists. Read through the Far Side Gallery, which talks how he constantly got complaints and how his editors rejected Cartoons. He Danced on the edge (sometimes unintentionally) and produced greatness.

Davies doesn't even draw his comics any more. He has a company of artists to illustrate for him.

[kpenguin]

Oh and there's not a thing that's "rotten" in the state of Denmark, it is and has since the 11th century been A KINGDOM :smallfurious:

A kingdom is a state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state).

[Mina Kobold]

Reading the Translation would explain the problem. Shakespeare is great, not because of the Plots, but because of the writing (which is why it should really be seen, or at least heard). I could tell you the plot of Macbeth, but that wouldn't tell you a thing about why it's considered so great.

Probably, but I still prefer a good plot AND a good writting.
You wouldn't need to tell me the plot, I just wanned to know if it's another story about royal intrigies or actually interesting.

[BRC]

Probably, but I still prefer a good plot AND a good writting.
You wouldn't need to tell me the plot, I just wanned to know if it's another story about royal intrigies or actually interesting.
It's got very interesting Royal Intrigues. There's alot more Murder for one.
It's really more about a noble man falling to villainy/insanity than anything.
Plus, there's some fight scenes.

[Mina Kobold]

It's got very interesting Royal Intrigues. There's alot more Murder for one.
It's really more about a noble man falling to villainy/insanity than anything.
Plus, there's some fight scenes.

You seem to have misunderstood, the royal intrigues are why I didn't like Hamlet.
Are you describing Hamlet or Macbeth?

[BRC]

You seem to have misunderstood, the royal intrigues are why I didn't like Hamlet.
Are you describing Hamlet or Macbeth?
Macbeth.
It's Royal Intrigues, but a very different sort, and only "royal intrigues" because they involve royalty. Hamlet is much more about deciding to Act, while Macbeth is about dealing with the consequences of actions.

[Mina Kobold]

Macbeth.
It's Royal Intrigues, but a very different sort, and only "royal intrigues" because they involve royalty. Hamlet is much more about deciding to Act, while Macbeth is about dealing with the consequences of actions.

Might check it out, but Shakespeare wrote for royalty so middle-class people like me hardly understand his motivation.

[BRC]

Might check it out, but Shakespeare wrote for royalty so middle-class people like me hardly understand his motivation.
Actually, Shakespeare wrote for the lowest classes of society. Yes, the aristocracy sometimes attended, but most of his money came from the uneducated peasants, so that's who he was mainly writing for.

[Mina Kobold]

Actually, Shakespeare wrote for the lowest classes of society. Yes, the aristocracy sometimes attended, but most of his money came from the uneducated peasants, so that's who he was mainly writing for.

Really? Guess England has a very different history than Denmark.

Anyway, things are different now and it's actually pretty pointless to discuss this. You got your opinion and I got mine, maybe I'll appreciate Shakespeare more when I get older, maybe I won't but that shouldn't stop you from finding it interesting :smallsmile:

[BRC]

Really? Guess England has a very different history than Denmark.

Anyway, things are different now and it's actually pretty pointless to discuss this. You got your opinion and I got mine, maybe I'll appreciate Shakespeare more when I get older, maybe I won't but that shouldn't stop you from finding it interesting :smallsmile:

Maybe. Really, the Language barrier will be an issue. I don't know how well Shakespeare translates (especially considering the number of words he made up), so if you're reading/hearing it in Danish, you'll probably miss out on the full effect.

[Mina Kobold]

Maybe. Really, the Language barrier will be an issue. I don't know how well Shakespeare translates (especially considering the number of words he made up), so if you're reading/hearing it in Danish, you'll probably miss out on the full effect.

:smallconfused: I said history not language. The low class didn't get access to theater in Denmark before the late 19th century and Shakespeare lived way before that, I was assuming it was thew same in England but that appear to be wrong.
The language barrier is annoying along with the Danish language so I usually watch everything in English, thus it shouldn't come up if I choose to read it myself.

[Squark]

Maybe. Really, the Language barrier will be an issue. I don't know how well Shakespeare translates (especially considering the number of words he made up), so if you're reading/hearing it in Danish, you'll probably miss out on the full effect.

Personally, I think the only way to properly translate Shakespeare would be to do it the same way the Asterix the Gaul comics are translated- By altering the wordplay involved to make sense in the Language (Since the puns both Gosciny/Udzero and Shakespeare rely on don't translate well). The problem is, well... Shakespeare was a Genius. Producing a play of the same quality in another language would require someone of equal genius, and true literary geniuses are in short supply.

Yes, I just compared a French Comic Book to Shakespeare. Yes, I know its probably a lousy metaphor. Let's move on.

Anyway, does anyone have "casting" suggestions? What about the roles of Banquo, Macbeth, and Malcom?

[Mina Kobold]

Personally, I think the only way to properly translate Shakespeare would be to do it the same way the Asterix the Gaul comics are translated- By altering the wordplay involved to make sense in the Language (Since the puns both Gosciny/Udzero and Shakespeare rely on don't translate well). The problem is, well... Shakespeare was a Genius. Producing a play of the same quality in another language would require someone of equal genius, and true literary geniuses are in short supply.

Yes, I just compared a French Comic Book to Shakespeare. Yes, I know its probably a lousy metaphor. Let's move on.

Anyway, does anyone have "casting" suggestions? What about the roles of Banquo, Macbeth, and Malcom?

Thus why I prefer to read it in the original language if I understand it, currently working on French and hopes to learn Japanese someday :smallbiggrin:

I can't help with the casting, sorry.

[Squark]

Thus why I prefer to read it in the original language if I understand it, currently working on French and hopes to learn Japanese someday :smallbiggrin:

I can't help with the casting, sorry.

If that was a reference to Asterix, don't worry, the translation for the Asterix comics is probably the best ever done for a comic book, as they create entirely new sets of wordplay (while keeping the plot itself intact), thus allowing the comics to still be funny in the half dozen or so languages they've been translated into.

[The Gremlin]

If that was a reference to Asterix, don't worry, the translation for the Asterix comics is probably the best ever done for a comic book, as they create entirely new sets of wordplay (while keeping the plot itself intact), thus allowing the comics to still be funny in the half dozen or so languages they've been translated into.

Asterix is awesome, unlike a certain racist, sexist, highly unrealistic Belgian comic which shall remain unnamed.:smallannoyed:
"WOO! I'm a reporter who knows how to use a gun! And who never actually does any reporting!"
And Keveak, intrigue is awesome! Some of my favorite novels have a lot of intrigue (Ender's Game, Betrayal at Falador, etc.)!

[Silverraptor]

Hey everyone, I'm back from my weekend absense. What I miss?:smallconfused:

[kpenguin]

Q, you are very much the cool guy.

[X2]

Hey I thought I dibsed this discussion thread? :smallfrown:

[Mad Mask]

Hey I thought I dibsed this discussion thread? :smallfrown:

People get upset when threads reach 50+ pages, they need to have another one immediately.

[Mina Kobold]

Asterix is awesome, unlike a certain racist, sexist, highly unrealistic Belgian comic which shall remain unnamed.:smallannoyed:
"WOO! I'm a reporter who knows how to use a gun! And who never actually does any reporting!"
And Keveak, intrigue is awesome! Some of my favorite novels have a lot of intrigue (Ender's Game, Betrayal at Falador, etc.)!

Yup Asterix is awesome, never heard of the Belgian one though.

Depends on what intrigue, I get the whole his uncle kills his father and take the throne, but from there on it kinda lost me. Maybe it's just because of all the work the school forced us to do after and while reading it that I don't like it. Why did he question the ghost by the way?
But as I said before; we all have different opinions and taste in books, why not leave it at that? :smallsmile:

[The Gremlin]

People get upset when threads reach 50+ pages, they need to have another one immediately.

Also, I think X2's already had a thread.
Kev: You are lucky. It's really lousy. While Asterix makes fun of all races, including his own, it's all in jest. Meanwhile, ______ treats a lot of races as savage, or unreasonable. It also totally misinterpreted the Opium Wars to blame Japan.

[BRC]

Also, I think X2's already had a thread.
Kev: You are lucky. It's really lousy. While Asterix makes fun of all races, including his own, it's all in jest. Meanwhile, ______ treats a lot of races as savage, or unreasonable. It also totally misinterpreted the Opium Wars to blame Japan.

_____ got better later. Not up the Asterix's level of quality, but at least it got less offensive.

And the one you're talking about wasn't blaming the Opium Wars on Japan. If you notice, there were Western-Controlled zones (which came about as a result of the Opium Wars), and the League of Nations, which didn't come about until WWI.
The Opium Wars were in 1839and 1856, between Britain and China, I'm too lazy to check my dates, but I think that was before Japan stopped it's period of Isolation.

[Mina Kobold]

Also, I think X2's already had a thread.
Kev: You are lucky. It's really lousy. While Asterix makes fun of all races, including his own, it's all in jest. Meanwhile, ______ treats a lot of races as savage, or unreasonable. It also totally misinterpreted the Opium Wars to blame Japan.

Asterix makes fun of nationalities and they have changed so much it's impossible to be offended.

What's their problem with Japan? Japan's cool, all my favourite comics are made there... And pretty much everything else in china.

And now I really want to know what that comic is called.

[Mad Mask]

It's called Tintin.

[Mina Kobold]

It's called Tintin.

Oh that one, pretty boring in my eyes. Along with several others that hasn't been popular since my father was a child.

Our Society teacher actually used a page from "Tintin in Congo" to illustrate the racism going on in the 19th century.

[Bayar]

It's called Tintin.

But TinTin is awesome :eek: (well, Asterix is more awesome, but whatever).

[The Gremlin]

But TinTin is awesome :eek: (well, Asterix is more awesome, but whatever).

Hisssss! *threatens with knife*
Tintin is not funny, is completely unrealistic (so is Asterix, but Asterix does it on purpose, and it makes it funny, too), and to top it off is racist and disrespecful to other cultures. There is no comparison with it and Asterix.
BRC: ACtually I've read the later books. They all sucked, too.
And it didn't DIRECTLY blame Japan, but fro what I recall the Japanese were the ringleaders of the Opium problem, with England not mentioned. OIf course, this is just part of the anti-Japanese craze following WW II.

[CrimsonAngel]

*blank stare* :smallsigh:

[BRC]

Hisssss! *threatens with knife*
Tintin is not funny, is completely unrealistic (so is Asterix, but Asterix does it on purpose, and it makes it funny, too), and to top it off is racist and disrespecful to other cultures. There is no comparison with it and Asterix.
BRC: ACtually I've read the later books. They all sucked, too.
And it didn't DIRECTLY blame Japan, but fro what I recall the Japanese were the ringleaders of the Opium problem, with England not mentioned. OIf course, this is just part of the anti-Japanese craze following WW II.

I'm not saying that book didn't blame the Japanese. Iwas saying that book isn't about the opium wars, which took place in the 1800's.

[The Gremlin]

I'm not saying that book didn't blame the Japanese. Iwas saying that book isn't about the opium wars, which took place in the 1800's.

It just seems to be a bit of an implication. I wouldn't know, though, I suck at history. :smalltongue:

[CrimsonAngel]

I'm turning 13 this saturday!

[BRC]

Also, I think X2's already had a thread.
Kev: You are lucky. It's really lousy. While Asterix makes fun of all races, including his own, it's all in jest. Meanwhile, ______ treats a lot of races as savage, or unreasonable. It also totally misinterpreted the Opium Wars to blame Japan.
That's the statement I was objecting to. Yes the Book involved Opium, and War, but it in no way, shape, or form implied Japan caused the Opium Wars, being set long after the Opium Wars occurred.

But, that said, Asterix is still the better series.

[The Gremlin]

I'm turning 13 this saturday!

Great!
Now where's that present I gave to Rand last time....
Muahahaha!

[EmeraldPhoenix]

I would like to join the Chronicles of Novaris plot.

Just because nobody else seems to be doing anything with it.:smallwink:

Character Idea:
Cassandra "Smudge" Vainly
EmeraldPhoenix

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab341/Belkarisawsome/smudge2.png
Race: Human
Age: 16
Sex: Female
Faction: None.
Magical powers: None
Personality: Snappy, quick to accuse, generally pessemistic
Gear: She hides a knife, but generally just uses her fists.
Brief Bio: She got into fights at school, and was infamous for getting away with it by smudging out the name on her school records, so nobody knew who she was. She ran away from home because her parents were trying to send her to military school. Has a deep sense of self-preservement, and mistrusts anything and everyone except herself.

[Shades of Gray]

Consider making her face more peachy, right now she looks a bit sunburnt.

[Darklord Bright]

Any contribution to Novaris is a good one. Have you read the wiki?

[EmeraldPhoenix]

Any contribution to Novaris is a good one. Have you read the wiki?

Yep!:smallbiggrin:

Oh, and since that picture was an old one, I redid it in my newer art style.


http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab341/Belkarisawsome/MierSmudge.pnghttp://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab341/Belkarisawsome/MierSmudge2.png

[Darklord Bright]

I know the hair's a little off, but here's something I cooked up real quick.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/839/smudger.png

[EmeraldPhoenix]

I know the hair's a little off, but here's something I cooked up real quick.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/839/smudger.png

:smallbiggrin:

Nice!

[Silverraptor]

Hey Emerald, any other plots you want to enter into?:smallconfused:

And speaking of Novarius, Where is the archieve for it?

[Darklord Bright]

Hey Emerald, any other plots you want to enter into?:smallconfused:

And speaking of Novarius, Where is the archieve for it?

On the wiki, or at least it was last I checked. Hasn't been updated in a bit though, I do recall. Besides, it was only in the last art thread and this one that it popped up.

[Silverraptor]

On the wiki, or at least it was last I checked. Hasn't been updated in a bit though, I do recall. Besides, it was only in the last art thread and this one that it popped up.

Ah. I see.

And Kerris, you haven't responded from my pm I sent you about CoN for a while now...

[Mad Mask]

With all due respects Emerald Phoenix, I don't think the Novaris Chronicles, if they ever start up again, will be all peaceful and all urban. Your character needs more clothing.

Sorry, scantily clad people are one of my pet peeves. :smallredface:

[EmeraldPhoenix]

Hey Emerald, any other plots you want to enter into?:smallconfused:

And speaking of Novarius, Where is the archive for it?

Not really. I am intreuged by the bouncy ball. :smallwink::smalltongue:


With all due respects Emerald Phoenix, I don't think the Novaris Chronicles, if they ever start up again, will be all peaceful and all urban. Your character needs more clothing.

Sorry, scantily clad people are one of my pet peeves. :smallredface:

Hey!:smallannoyed: She's not scantily clad! She's got a sleeveless shirt and pants on!:smallwink:

Hmm...now, if I was to join, which side would I join...?

Would anybody like to make their cases?

[The Gremlin]

Not really. I am intreuged by the bouncy ball. :smallwink::smalltongue:



Hey!:smallannoyed: She's not scantily clad! She's got a sleeveless shirt and pants on!:smallwink:

Hmm...now, if I was to join, which side would I join...?

Would anybody like to make their cases?

There are a lot of different sides. There are the rogue kobolds, who are trying to keep the Creature safe (apparently for moral reasons), the 'main group', in which there is more than one goal, there is the Kalp guy and his companions (crap, I forgot the name of the four armed race! :smalleek:), the Goldcloaks, who wish for the creature to be locked up, and the Alchemists' Guild (which may be a rival of the Goldcloaks).
Right now, the only reason I can't make any comics is that Inkscape isn't working on my computer. I still have to use our other computer for comics. :smallannoyed:

[EmeraldPhoenix]

There are a lot of different sides. There are the rogue kobolds, who are trying to keep the Creature safe (apparently for moral reasons), the 'main group', in which there is more than one goal, there is the Kalp guy and his companions (crap, I forgot the name of the four armed race! :smalleek:), the Goldcloaks, who wish for the creature to be locked up, and the Alchemists' Guild (which may be a rival of the Goldcloaks).
Right now, the only reason I can't make any comics is that Inkscape isn't working on my computer. I still have to use our other computer for comics. :smallannoyed:

She could be a loner, trying to free the creature and get revenge on the Goldcloaks because of personal reasons. It fits the character, at least.:smallsmile:

What exactly is wrong with your Inkscape? Does it have trouble opening? Does it freeze up? Does it close unexpectedly? I think there's an Inkscape help thread somewhere around here...:smallconfused:

[Silverraptor]

She could be a loner, trying to free the creature and get revenge on the Goldcloaks because of personal reasons. It fits the character, at least.:smallsmile:

What exactly is wrong with your Inkscape? Does it have trouble opening? Does it freeze up? Does it close unexpectedly? I think there's an Inkscape help thread somewhere around here...:smallconfused:

I have a loner character I will be introducing soon. He wants the creature because it may hold his salvation.

[The Gremlin]

She could be a loner, trying to free the creature and get revenge on the Goldcloaks because of personal reasons. It fits the character, at least.:smallsmile:

What exactly is wrong with your Inkscape? Does it have trouble opening? Does it freeze up? Does it close unexpectedly? I think there's an Inkscape help thread somewhere around here...:smallconfused:

Well, when maximized it just doesn't work. Moving the mouse over icons does nothing. When you click on it, it's affected, but actual drawing fails.
However, you can make the window smaller, as normal. It doesn't truly freeze up. When small, it works fine, but it's too big. You can't access the colors, or a lot of lower down stuff. When you click on the view edge to make it smaller, it moves down. You can, in fact, move it down under the mouse's range, and then you can only close the thing.

The only way to use Inkscape is to go back and forth between maximized and small, selecting colors and such in maximized and then drawing in smaller mode.
I have tried deleting Inkscape and redownloading it, but it doesn't help.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

I have a loner character I will be introducing soon. He wants the creature because it may hold his salvation.

Hmm...so if the salvation route has already been taken (and I don't want to seem like a hack) maybe she could just hate Goldcloaks? Because...oh, I don't know...hmm...

WAIT! I've got it. *snaps fingers*:smallwink:

She hates Goldcloaks because her brother decided to give up his family to be bound to a Kaa! And she thinks that they made him do it, even though he did it willingly. So then...she'd be against any group with a Goldcloak in it, I guess.

Any problems with that story that I didn't notice while spinning it?

[Mina Kobold]

Hmm...so if the salvation route has already been taken (and I don't want to seem like a hack) maybe she could just hate Goldcloaks? Because...oh, I don't know...hmm...

WAIT! I've got it. *snaps fingers*:smallwink:

She hates Goldcloaks because her brother decided to give up his family to be bound to a Kaa! And she thinks that they made him do it, even though he did it willingly. So then...she'd be against any group with a Goldcloak in it, I guess.

Any problems with that story that I didn't notice while spinning it?

Not all mages are goldcloaks but otherwise it's okay.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

Not all mages are goldcloaks but otherwise it's okay.

Well, it says in the wiki that they help new 'bound out, so let's just say that there were one or two there at the time helping him with it.

[Silverraptor]

Oh ya. I've been meaning to ask this question. Who's the creator of the mute girl from CoN?

[Darklord Bright]

Oh ya. I've been meaning to ask this question. Who's the creator of the mute girl from CoN?

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/5808/synndancn.gif
Reporting for duty!

[Silverraptor]

Ok... wierd.

So who made the other people and what exactly did they give up?:smallconfused:

[Darklord Bright]

Ok... wierd.

So who made the other people and what exactly did they give up?:smallconfused:

There's a character entry in the wiki for all the characters involved, and it tends to tell you what they gave up. A lot of them gave up specific memories.

[Silverraptor]

There's a character entry in the wiki for all the characters involved, and it tends to tell you what they gave up. A lot of them gave up specific memories.

Ah. Alright.

Edit: And another thing. To avoid any yelling at me, I wanted to make sure that my character was alright to bring up. I was under the impression that you guys might allow me to make him a unique one-of-a-kind species, even though there was a decision against making up any of them. Can you guys please confirm this for me, on whether or not I have the green light for my character?

[Tiffanie Lirle]

I was under the impression that you guys might allow me to make him a unique one-of-a-kind species, even though there was a decision against making up any of them.
You do see the problem here, right?

Although I doubt anybody really cares at this point seeing as the plot is dead.

[Darklord Bright]

You do see the problem here, right?

Although I doubt anybody really cares at this point seeing as the plot is dead.

I brought up in a PM conversation that other people might take issue, so to post it here. If anybody is still interested in the plot, we'll soon know.

[Nameless]

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/5808/synndancn.gif
Reporting for duty!

Why am I laughing so hard?

[Darklord Bright]

Why am I laughing so hard?

Only you can answer that question, Nameless. Only you. :smalltongue:

I should make some more things like this, shouldn't I?

[Nameless]

I should make some more things like this, shouldn't I?

Please. :smalltongue:

[Darklord Bright]

Will this do?
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4810/avianmenace.gif

[Nameless]

Will this do?
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4810/avianmenace.gif

first one produced moar lulage.

[Darklord Bright]

first one produced moar lulage.

What formula equals lulage, then?

[Mina Kobold]

What formula equals lulage, then?

Noticed how the stoic mute dancing was funnier than the crazy birdphobic yelling "Avian menace"?

Him hugging a bird or acting sophisticated would be funnier.

[Nameless]

What formula equals lulage, then?

Producer of lulz > Giggle box = Lulage

[Khaeta]

There are a lot of different sides. There are the rogue kobolds, who are trying to keep the Creature safe (apparently for moral reasons), the 'main group', in which there is more than one goal, there is the Kalp guy and his companions (crap, I forgot the name of the four armed race! :smalleek:), the Goldcloaks, who wish for the creature to be locked up, and the Alchemists' Guild (which may be a rival of the Goldcloaks).
Right now, the only reason I can't make any comics is that Inkscape isn't working on my computer. I still have to use our other computer for comics. :smallannoyed:

*Raises hand*
There was also -skimmer-'s characters, who were about to be joined by Will, but -skimmer- still hasn't made a comic, and I don't want to godmod (and I probably wouldn't have time to make a decent comic anyway. Especially given how long it took me to produce two poor-quality comics)

...

So yeah, continue with whatever it was you're discussing now.

EDIT:
Also, ">" isn't an operator. Just fyi.

[The Gremlin]

*Raises hand*
There was also -skimmer-'s characters, who were about to be joined by Will, but -skimmer- still hasn't made a comic, and I don't want to godmod (and I probably wouldn't have time to make a decent comic anyway. Especially given how long it took me to produce two poor-quality comics)

...

So yeah, continue with whatever it was you're discussing now.

That would be the Alchemist's Guild.
CoN can't be dead. I refuse to allow a plot this awesome to die. It's going about as slow as FFF. DLB just needs to speed up the plot before I can make any move. We have to deal with the time warp first. I'm starting to regret making that comic.
So, I've been thinking about making an NPC race. They're a subrace of kobolds, very closely related. There are a few differences:
Their ears stick straight up.
They have a golden stripe on their backs.
They are much less intelligent (they are born with a brain defect which is vastly similar to autism, except it does not in any way assist their mental faculties, but rather degrades them, and it is definitely not high-functioning)
And their metal magic is HUGELY stronger. This is actually a part of their defect. It takes up very little strength to use their magic, and they are all extremely proficient with it. However, they are very easily confused and have trouble speaking.
These creatures (not sure what to call them)are not pitied by kobolds, generally, but rather feared. There are a variety of urban myths about them, and are believed by some to be animals that should be put down. Many believe them dangerous. Certainly, they are dangerous, but they are naive things. They usually spend their days wandering the caverns looking around for food (they are unable to stomach meat).
There is also a very similar species which evolved nearby volcanoes. These things have INCREDIBLY hot body temperatures and therefore live nearby massive heat sources all their lives. These ones are believed to 'feed' off metal, which their bodies use somehow to make their bones and nails harder by far. They share the brain defect.

[Darklord Bright]

Just want to know why it's solely up to me to speed up the plot to a point you got it to... especially since one person does not a plot make.

[BRC]

Just want to know why it's solely up to me to speed up the plot to a point you got it to... especially since one person does not a plot make.
I should make a CoN comic, I even know what I want to happen (though it involves Mezos's characters, and he hasn't been around for some time) but I havn't been in the Comic making mood for some time now.

[Silverraptor]

So does that mean I'm allowed to make this characterI was thinking about?:smallconfused:

[BRC]

So does that mean I'm allowed to make this characterI was thinking about?:smallconfused:
It means you're allowed to suggest the character you were thinking about. It's kind of hard for us to approve or disapprove or alter your character if you don't tell us what it is.

So Speak, good raptor, and we shall listen.

[Silverraptor]

Alright then. This good raptor speaks.

Kerris and I had a pm conversation back a while ago. It involves where the creature ends up. My character wants the creature for his salvation, but everyone gets in the way of it.


Now for my character, this is what he's like.

He is the only known race of his kind. He has monsterous strength that can break through walls and he's quite large himself. However, he has no access to magic and has a strange sensitivity to it. This sensitivity is that any kind of magic directed at him harms him regardless of intent. For example, if the kobolds use their metal magic in his direction, instead of affecting the metal, the magic will instead attract to him and burn him severly so long as the magic is focused. All magic works this way and they will cause him extreme burns that cause him alot of pain. He also is photosensitive to the same degree. Sun light will burn his entire body even more severily then that of most magic. Torch light also hurts him, but to the extent of a quick sunburn.

In short, he's incredibly strong and durable, but burns easily to any magic.

His motive for the creature that I was thinking of results in the hope it can help him. I was thinking that for some bizare reason, the creature's magic has no effect on him what-so-ever. He can exist in close proximity to the light it generates and the magic radiation without suffering any harm. He hopes therefore that this creature could be used to generate a tolerance over his vulnerability, allowing him to walk onto the surface world in the sunlight, which is all he really wants. He will be extremely possesive of the creature in the mean time and will look for someone who can experiment to make his dream become a reality.

He is completely independant of anyone else's goals, so he is loyal to none but himself.

Now is this an acceptable character?:smallconfused:

[Khaeta]

Hmm.
I might actually be for this, because it sounds kinda like a PC controlled villain. Which has pretty high awesome potential.
BUT
Where did it come from?
How did it get like that?
How/where did it encounter the creature in the first place? (it knows the aura doesn't affect it, so presumably it's met the creature)
What's its reaction to others interfering with its quest for the creature?

[Silverraptor]

Hmm.
I might actually be for this, because it sounds kinda like a PC controlled villain. Which has pretty high awesome potential.
BUT
Where did it come from?
How did it get like that?
How/where did it encounter the creature in the first place? (it knows the aura doesn't affect it, so presumably it's met the creature)
What's its reaction to others interfering with its quest for the creature?

1) No one really knows, not even itself. But I maight come up with a reason later that reveals itself overtime.
2) Same as reason #1
3) I was thinking that it encounters the creature the first time and it notices the creature is expelling magic that doesn't harm it. It will easily understand that this magic doesn't harm it when everything else of similar nature does.
4) It won't tolerate it. It will risk it's life to get the creature out of anyone else's custody. But he won't be stupidly suicidal about it. For example, if someone takes the creature out into the daylight, he will wait for a cloudy night and come after that person to reclaim the creature.
4b) Also, he might take a main character hostage so they can use their magic to experiment on the creature.

[Khaeta]

Hmm...
Sounds like a PC villain to me.
I think a vote is in order. Yeah or Nay? (or however you spell it)

[Darklord Bright]

I'm not very partial to not knowing anything about what he is, it seems like it'd be too easy for another Ogre Incident to pop up.

[Mina Kobold]

Alright then. This good raptor speaks.

Kerris and I had a pm conversation back a while ago. It involves where the creature ends up. My character wants the creature for his salvation, but everyone gets in the way of it.


Now for my character, this is what he's like.

He is the only known race of his kind. He has monsterous strength that can break through walls and he's quite large himself. However, he has no access to magic and has a strange sensitivity to it. This sensitivity is that any kind of magic directed at him harms him regardless of intent. For example, if the kobolds use their metal magic in his direction, instead of affecting the metal, the magic will instead attract to him and burn him severly so long as the magic is focused. All magic works this way and they will cause him extreme burns that cause him alot of pain. He also is photosensitive to the same degree. Sun light will burn his entire body even more severily then that of most magic. Torch light also hurts him, but to the extent of a quick sunburn.

In short, he's incredibly strong and durable, but burns easily to any magic.

His motive for the creature that I was thinking of results in the hope it can help him. I was thinking that for some bizare reason, the creature's magic has no effect on him what-so-ever. He can exist in close proximity to the light it generates and the magic radiation without suffering any harm. He hopes therefore that this creature could be used to generate a tolerance over his vulnerability, allowing him to walk onto the surface world in the sunlight, which is all he really wants. He will be extremely possesive of the creature in the mean time and will look for someone who can experiment to make his dream become a reality.

He is completely independant of anyone else's goals, so he is loyal to none but himself.

Now is this an acceptable character?:smallconfused:

Have you mentioned this idea before? I seem to remember something very similar.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

So, wait, I'm in...right?:smalleek:

[BRC]

Alright then. This good raptor speaks.

Kerris and I had a pm conversation back a while ago. It involves where the creature ends up. My character wants the creature for his salvation, but everyone gets in the way of it.


Now for my character, this is what he's like.

He is the only known race of his kind. He has monsterous strength that can break through walls and he's quite large himself. However, he has no access to magic and has a strange sensitivity to it. This sensitivity is that any kind of magic directed at him harms him regardless of intent. For example, if the kobolds use their metal magic in his direction, instead of affecting the metal, the magic will instead attract to him and burn him severly so long as the magic is focused. All magic works this way and they will cause him extreme burns that cause him alot of pain. He also is photosensitive to the same degree. Sun light will burn his entire body even more severily then that of most magic. Torch light also hurts him, but to the extent of a quick sunburn.

In short, he's incredibly strong and durable, but burns easily to any magic.

His motive for the creature that I was thinking of results in the hope it can help him. I was thinking that for some bizare reason, the creature's magic has no effect on him what-so-ever. He can exist in close proximity to the light it generates and the magic radiation without suffering any harm. He hopes therefore that this creature could be used to generate a tolerance over his vulnerability, allowing him to walk onto the surface world in the sunlight, which is all he really wants. He will be extremely possesive of the creature in the mean time and will look for someone who can experiment to make his dream become a reality.

He is completely independant of anyone else's goals, so he is loyal to none but himself.

Hrmm, I dunno.
Technically, Magic is supposed to be pretty rare in Novaris. The exceptions are Karrish magic (Which can't be targeted at individuals, and therefore wouldn't effect your character) and Kobold magic (which, considering the fairly isolated nature of Kobolds, isn't that likely to come up). This means that your character is basically unstoppable for most of the world during the nighttime.


Also, please, please, please don't go with the "Mysterious Origin" back story. Okay, let me clarify, having a mysterious origin is okay, but the back story should be more than "Mysterious Origin". Even if nobody knows where the character comes from, even if the character doesn't know, you should. It's just lazy otherwise, and you have too many unknowns.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

So, wait, I'm in...right?:smalleek:

RIGHT? :eek:

[Threeshades]

Producer of lulz > Giggle box = Lulage

That's not an equation. It just says that giggle box and lulage are the same and Producer of lulz is bigger than them.

[Mad Mask]

Maybe he meant producer of lulz^giggle box=lulage? :smalltongue:

[Silverraptor]

Kopaka: Alright. I guess we should get the vote on if we need it.

Darklord Bright: What exactly is an Ogre insident?

Keveak: Yes, I mentioned it in the last thread.

BRC: I understand that. However, even moon light and starlight harms him somewhat. He's only really safe on dark cloudy nights. And even then he's not. Bonfires and torches still harm him as well. Besides, he's going to be encountering main characters who most of them seem to have magic themselves.

As for the mysterious background, I'll get right to work thinking up one.

[SinisterPenguin]

Awesome comic, KP. I like the Vendettaplanemobile.

And I think SP's "Bees. My God" line may just become a running gag. :smalltongue:

[BRC]

Kopaka: Alright. I guess we should get the vote on if we need it.

Darklord Bright: What exactly is an Ogre insident?

Keveak: Yes, I mentioned it in the last thread.

BRC: I understand that. However, even moon light and starlight harms him somewhat. He's only really safe on dark cloudy nights. And even then he's not. Bonfires and torches still harm him as well. Besides, he's going to be encountering main characters who most of them seem to have magic themselves.

As for the mysterious background, I'll get right to work thinking up one.
So any form of light harms him? Well that will greatly limit his interactions with other characters.

[Silverraptor]

So any form of light harms him? Well that will greatly limit his interactions with other characters.

I know. But he can withstand dim light for a little while. Starlight harms him like a sunburn to a person with no tan. About 30 minutes and the sunburn comes, and it gets stedily worse with prolonged exposure. The moon shortens this span. So he normally is holed up in a maze of tunnels that he digs out himself mostly.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

RIGHT? :eek:

And everyone is ignoring me. :smallfrown:

I drew weasel.

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab341/Belkarisawsome/ABR/AssortedWeasel.png?t=1258776206

:frown:

[Silverraptor]

The fact that everyone is ignoring probably suggests that no one is against it and you're free to go your way about it. That's how I take it atleast.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

The fact that everyone is ignoring probably suggests that no one is against it and you're free to go your way about it. That's how I take it atleast.

Someone acknowledges my existance! Yay!:smallsmile:

I'm going to go figure out where CoN left off and maybe start on a introduction comic. Unless I get too lazy or someone objects. Yeah.

[Silverraptor]

Someone acknowledges my existance! Yay!:smallsmile:

I'm going to go figure out where CoN left off and maybe start on a introduction comic. Unless I get too lazy or someone objects. Yeah.

I know how to start off my introduction comic. I'm just waiting for everyone's consent to it.

[Khaeta]

Someone acknowledges my existance! Yay!:smallsmile:

I'm going to go figure out where CoN left off and maybe start on a introduction comic. Unless I get too lazy or someone objects. Yeah.

Thou art acknowledged. Think of it what you will. :smallwink:

[Darklord Bright]

The Ogre Incident: A situation that popped up not long ago revolving around a race (the ogres) when apparently some very important details were kept "Secret" about them until much later, involving some lore-breaking background stories for the race. Sparked a long argument, because it was essentially a whole lot of stuff being made up taking advantage of the fact that much of the race was unestablished.

This is why I don't like the idea of you not having all the information laid out of us, you could spring a change at any time, even if you're not the sort of person who would do so.

[Silverraptor]

The Ogre Incident: A situation that popped up not long ago revolving around a race (the ogres) when apparently some very important details were kept "Secret" about them until much later, involving some lore-breaking background stories for the race. Sparked a long argument, because it was essentially a whole lot of stuff being made up taking advantage of the fact that much of the race was unestablished.

This is why I don't like the idea of you not having all the information laid out of us, you could spring a change at any time, even if you're not the sort of person who would do so.

Ok, I see. You want me to reveal everything about this character to you guys.

The only problem is the scale on this project. If I was just doing the comic on my own or with some other person, I could easily understand how he would react to certain scenario's. The reason I might sound so secretive is because I don't know how your character's will react to him and as a result, how he will act until the moment of decision.

So I will give you guys all the information you want when you ask for it. It is the best I can do at the moment until I actually get the approval and get him in. Afterwards, I know it will be easier to give you guys more and more information about him as I learn about his character development.

[Mina Kobold]

And everyone is ignoring me. :smallfrown:

I drew weasel.

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab341/Belkarisawsome/ABR/AssortedWeasel.png?t=1258776206

:frown:

While you can't normally see it he does wear pants and not just shorts :smalltongue: Otherwise it's good.

PS: I should really make a FFF:R comic... Tomorrow :smallsigh:

[Fay Graydon]

PS: I should really make a FFF:R comic... Tomorrow :smallsigh:

I would have made one by now... but Keris said he would introduce our characters together....
So I'm kinda waiting on him :smallsigh:

[Silverraptor]

I would have made one by now... but Keris said he would introduce our characters together....
So I'm kinda waiting on him :smallsigh:

I too am waiting on Kerris for something. Nevermind. I was contacted.


So what's the news on my CoN Character everyone?:smallconfused: Anything I have left to explain about him? If not, let me know and I'll start an introduction comic on him.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

I too am waiting on Kerris for something. Nevermind. I was contacted.


So what's the news on my CoN Character everyone?:smallconfused: Anything I have left to explain about him? If not, let me know and I'll start an introduction comic on him.

I hope for more answers for you then were given to me. *nods wisely*

*meditates*

:smalltongue:

[The Gremlin]

I too am waiting on Kerris for something. Nevermind. I was contacted.


So what's the news on my CoN Character everyone?:smallconfused: Anything I have left to explain about him? If not, let me know and I'll start an introduction comic on him.

I vote yay (*arguably because I have a bone to pick with DLB :smalltongue:). I still disagree with the outcome of the Ogre Incident, and the only reason I stopped arguing is that I decided the new backstory was better (that, and the risk of a flame war). People should be able to keep some secrets about their characters, even if not about their races. Without that, we would have no mysteries: Nameless's face would be explained, Grim Ranger's past revealed, and MM would have to tell us the actual plans of the Sovice.

The fact that everyone is ignoring probably suggests that no one is against it and you're free to go your way about it. That's how I take it atleast. By that logic, the ogres would have been okay. DLB only started complaining about a week after I explained a great deal about what he complained about later (though I will grant that I had left a lot of things unexplained, seeing a brainwashed race as something that does not need exact explanation).
Okay, maybe the comparison sucks. Whatever.:smallbiggrin:

[Silverraptor]

So the vote have begun. If I can I'll throw my "yay" vote in. So that means 2 right?:smallconfused: How many do we need before I'm given the green light?

[BRC]

I vote yay (*arguably because I have a bone to pick with DLB :smalltongue:). I still disagree with the outcome of the Ogre Incident, and the only reason I stopped arguing is that I decided the new backstory was better (that, and the risk of a flame war). People should be able to keep some secrets about their characters, even if not about their races. Without that, we would have no mysteries: Nameless's face would be explained, Grim Ranger's past revealed, and MM would have to tell us the actual plans of the Sovice.

I don't mind keeping secrets about the character, I'd just prefer these secrets to be more along the line of "This character is on the run from the Law", not "Everything about the character".
Even if Raptor dosn't want to tell us, I'd like it if He knows more details about it, and maybe runs it by somebody familiar with the setting.

[Silverraptor]

I don't mind keeping secrets about the character, I'd just prefer these secrets to be more along the line of "This character is on the run from the Law", not "Everything about the character".
Even if Raptor dosn't want to tell us, I'd like it if He knows more details about it, and maybe runs it by somebody familiar with the setting.

Well I have been thinking last night and got a few idea's for background and everything. I also have an idea that I want to check with you guys.

The fact that he is sensitive to magic, could this be a consquence that allows him to see and hear the Spiritbound?:smallconfused: It would make everything more interesting to them. Apart from that, he just has a history, no more powers or abilities then what I've already stated.

[DoomITP]

What's up guys, why hasn't FI started?:smallconfused:

[-skimmer-]

What's up guys, why hasn't FI started?:smallconfused:

MMs deadline for it ends within 10 days.....If he fails, then somebody else is going to start it instead.....

[Keris]

What's up guys, why hasn't FI started?:smallconfused:

We've all been waiting on you. Hurry up, would ya?

[DoomITP]

I feel loved? :smalltongue:

[kpenguin]

O hey, its Mega! How do you feel about joining a spiffy new plot that isn't new at all?

[The Gremlin]

I don't mind keeping secrets about the character, I'd just prefer these secrets to be more along the line of "This character is on the run from the Law", not "Everything about the character".
Even if Raptor dosn't want to tell us, I'd like it if He knows more details about it, and maybe runs it by somebody familiar with the setting.

That seems reasonable.
I take it nobody noticed my new race? Or did they have no comment? :smallconfused:
/\ I think that you're probably just another threat, like TJH. Join CoN! Jooiiiinnnn usssssss... *Spooky voice*

[Keris]

I take it nobody noticed my new race? Or did they have no comment? :smallconfused:

I, for one, did not notice it. Please, repost it while I am still paying attention.

[The Gremlin]

So, I've been thinking about making an NPC race. They're a subrace of kobolds, very closely related. There are a few differences:
Their ears stick straight up.
They have a golden stripe on their backs.
They are much less intelligent (they are born with a brain defect which is vastly similar to autism, except it does not in any way assist their mental faculties, but rather degrades them, and it is definitely not high-functioning)
And their metal magic is HUGELY stronger. This is actually a part of their defect. It takes up very little strength to use their magic, and they are all extremely proficient with it. However, they are very easily confused and have trouble speaking.
These creatures (not sure what to call them)are not pitied by kobolds, generally, but rather feared. There are a variety of urban myths about them, and are believed by some to be animals that should be put down. Many believe them dangerous. Certainly, they are dangerous, but they are naive things. They usually spend their days wandering the caverns looking around for food (they are unable to stomach meat).
There is also a very similar species which evolved nearby volcanoes. These things have INCREDIBLY hot body temperatures and therefore live nearby massive heat sources all their lives. These ones are believed to 'feed' off metal, which their bodies use somehow to make their bones and nails harder by far. They share the brain defect.

I really need to be more careful about writing big ideas in edits. :smallannoyed:

[DoomITP]

O hey, its Mega! How do you feel about joining a spiffy new plot that isn't new at all?

Sounds like fun!

[The Gremlin]

Sounds like fun!

KILL THE SHEEP!
*Threatens with shears*

[DoomITP]

Nice to see you too.:smallsigh::smalltongue:

[The Gremlin]

Nice to see you too.:smallsigh::smalltongue:

Our two sheep give me an excellent insight into your mind. Finally, everything makes sense.

[DoomITP]

What are you talking about?

[The Gremlin]

What are you talking about?
Well, I have two sheep. They are idiots who follow anybody who's talking excitedly or running around.
:smallwink:
By the way, I've been experiementing with a new, MS Paint (no choice, really) based art style. Here is a Kharrish:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8188/tricomic.png
I think I'm gonna change the hair so that it's more like Troll's art style. Otherwise, what do you guys think?

[DoomITP]

You just called me an idiot didn't you. :smallannoyed:



Stick to inkscape dude.

[The Gremlin]

You just called me an idiot didn't you. :smallannoyed:



Stick to inkscape dude.

Not an option.
And yes. Yes, I did.
...
Okay, no I didn't. I just wanted to insult my brother's stupid sheep.

[Darklord Bright]

I vote yay (*arguably because I have a bone to pick with DLB :smalltongue:). I still disagree with the outcome of the Ogre Incident, and the only reason I stopped arguing is that I decided the new backstory was better (that, and the risk of a flame war). People should be able to keep some secrets about their characters, even if not about their races. Without that, we would have no mysteries: Nameless's face would be explained, Grim Ranger's past revealed, and MM would have to tell us the actual plans of the Sovice.
By that logic, the ogres would have been okay. DLB only started complaining about a week after I explained a great deal about what he complained about later (though I will grant that I had left a lot of things unexplained, seeing a brainwashed race as something that does not need exact explanation).
Okay, maybe the comparison sucks. Whatever.:smallbiggrin:

Firstly, the outcome was the only one we could have reached, because as I explained countless times your original idea (Which you never mentioned except vaguely in passing before that, which is why about four people other than myself called you out on it...) completely disregarded the lore we had all worked on together for the two threads before that.

Secondly, I wasn't the first one to call you out, Methos was. He drew my attention to it.

If you would stop treating it like I was the only one who disliked it, and just accept the fact that quite a few people had issue with it (Even if in the end only Methos, BRC and I were trying to compromise with you and explain why your original idea didn't work.) and not ignore the facts, we might be able to stop bringing it up.

You know for a fact it will cause problems. Please, we don't need to continue the petty grudge match. We reached compromise, so what is the issue?

[The Gremlin]

Firstly, the outcome was the only one we could have reached, because as I explained countless times your original idea (Which you never mentioned except vaguely in passing before that, which is why about four people other than myself called you out on it...) completely disregarded the lore we had all worked on together for the two threads before that.

Secondly, I wasn't the first one to call you out, Methos was. He drew my attention to it.

If you would stop treating it like I was the only one who disliked it, and just accept the fact that quite a few people had issue with it (Even if in the end only Methos, BRC and I were trying to compromise with you and explain why your original idea didn't work.) and not ignore the facts, we might be able to stop bringing it up.

You know for a fact it will cause problems. Please, we don't need to continue the petty grudge match. We reached compromise, so what is the issue?

Hang on, you were the one who 'called me out'.:smallconfused:
It did NOT disregard the lore, either. I explained it, and it made perfect sense. But because you and others disagreed with my idea on the whole, you insisted it was completely nonsensical. I got stuck on the defensive, making compromise after compromise which you refused. Then the flame war started when you started complaining that I had 'lied'. I believe that that was the low point of the entire argument, when you started insisting I had lied and I started insisting on an apology.
Frankly, I think you have NO RIGHT to accuse ME of 'ignoring the facts', and claim that YOU guys were the ones patiently explaining the truth to the crazy, raging Gremlin.

[The Gremlin]

I DO NOT want to argue. But I will not allow you to make pot shots at me, either. Drop it already.

[Darklord Bright]

Hang on, you were the one who 'called me out'.:smallconfused:
It did NOT disregard the lore, either. I explained it, and it made perfect sense. But because you and others disagreed with my idea on the whole, you insisted it was completely nonsensical. I got stuck on the defensive, making compromise after compromise which you refused. Then the flame war started when you started complaining that I had 'lied'. I believe that that was the low point of the entire argument, when you started insisting I had lied and I started insisting on an apology.

No, actually, I wasn't the first one to call you out, Grem. I came in a little after the calling out because I was at school when the argument started. I remember, because I couldn't post from school.

And for the record, you did lie. You said you never edited the wiki entry for the race when you did, that kind of... happens to be a lie...

And no, it disregarded the lore entirely. You kept claiming some sort of huge magical entity had hypnotised an entire race and just changing the type of entity, even though we had established that nothing had that power, except maybe the creature, and it only appeared maybe a week before the auction and was supposed to be unique in its power - but you went ahead and decided something just as powerful or perhaps more so had always existed.

The one making pot shots is the one constantly dropping "Because of DLB" into his posts even after I told you to stop because I didn't like it.

[DoomITP]

Stop it you two.:smallannoyed:

[The Gremlin]

No, actually, I wasn't the first one to call you out, Grem. I came in a little after the calling out because I was at school when the argument started. I remember, because I couldn't post from school.

And for the record, you did lie. You said you never edited the wiki entry for the race when you did, that kind of... happens to be a lie...

And no, it disregarded the lore entirely. You kept claiming some sort of huge magical entity had hypnotised an entire race and just changing the type of entity, even though we had established that nothing had that power, except maybe the creature, and it only appeared maybe a week before the auction and was supposed to be unique in its power - but you went ahead and decided something just as powerful or perhaps more so had always existed.

THe one making pot shots is the one constantly dropping "Because of DLB" into his posts even after I told you to stop because I didn't like it.

No. I did NOT lie. You said I had edited it despite your wishes, implying it was quite recent. I had edited something that you appeared to have forgotten, a WEEK ago. I had not done it against your wishes, as you had never mentioned you disliked the cannibalism notion before.
We never estabilished there were no things with that kind of power. We said that magic was rare. If the Creature can exist, then clearly that sort of power is possible. Especially since this was CENTURIES ago. :smallannoyed:
/\ I'll stop if she does.

[DoomITP]

Both of you stop this argument. It's about something that doesn't even matter. It's a game!

[Silverraptor]

Why do I feel that I'm the source of this conflict.:smallsigh:


So is there anything I need to clarify for my character or can I get started on the intro comic?

[CrimsonAngel]

MegaDoomer! Sup dawg'.

[The Gremlin]

Why do I feel that I'm the source of this conflict.:smallsigh:


So is there anything I need to clarify for my character or can I get started on the intro comic?

You are. Therefore, the way to deal with this problem is to burn your entrails. *Gets out knife*

[Silverraptor]

You are. Therefore, the way to deal with this problem is to burn your entrails. *Gets out knife*

*Stabs with pick axe*

Down boy.

[Darklord Bright]

No. I did NOT lie. You said I had edited it despite your wishes, implying it was quite recent. I had edited something that you appeared to have forgotten, a WEEK ago. I had not done it against your wishes, as you had never mentioned you disliked the cannibalism notion before.
We never estabilished there were no things with that kind of power. We said that magic was rare. If the Creature can exist, then clearly that sort of power is possible. Especially since this was CENTURIES ago. :smallannoyed:
/\ I'll stop if she does.

Oh for the love of pete.

Why is it you say you'll stop when I do? If I ever try to stop, you always bring in something else and then say "I was trying to stop" when called out.

Please, I'm going to ask you to just stop throwing snide comments about me into all your unrelated posts, because I've told you before that I don't like it at all. I just want you to understand that I'm trying to defend the continuity, not spoil your fun. Considering that such huge history has been made about the ogres using the compromise, and the only difference is that it does not involve a magical entity dominating an entire race so that they hate and want to eat all other races (Which isn't cannibalism, FYI...), I'd say you came out better for it.

Please, just... I'm not trying to be the villain here.

[The Gremlin]

*Stabs with pick axe*

Down boy.

Hang on, dinosaurs can't hold pickaxes.
/\ First of all, the evil-looking helmet is a bit confusing if you don't want to be a villain.
Second, you actually introduced the issue first, when mentioning the Ogre Incident. I can't be held responsible for bringing it up in this case.
Third, in my opinion, the best way to end an argument is with both sides agreeing to stop, not with one side making their argument and then insisting that they stop arguing. Therefore, I would not end the argument unless I was certain that you would not make one last snipe.

[T-O-E]

...And cats can't hold knives.

[Squark]

Not again. Must you guys always do this? Do you want to get a discussion thread locked or something?? I really don't want Gremlin to pull a "randomizer" on us.

And Grem, to be perfectly honest, that last comment still came across as a snipe.

[Silverraptor]

Pull a randomizer?:smallconfused:

[The Gremlin]

...And cats can't hold knives.

Cat? Where??? Cat entrails are very good luck, and a good peace offering.
And just to make something clear, the Ogre's did not 'hate' other races, they just had to follow their belief. They always made arrangements for humane deaths and such, and would sometimes even try to notify the next of kin.
Squark: Said the godmodder. Now can we please stop arguing?

[CrimsonAngel]

Normaly I would hop on the burning of entrails train, bet don't you think we should sacrifice the Ophiotaurus.

[DoomITP]

MegaDoomer! Sup dawg'.

What's up. :smalltongue:

[SinisterPenguin]

Squark: Said the godmodder. Now can we please stop arguing?

...Now that was a snipe. And a pointless, argumentative one, at that.

[Squark]

*sigh* Could we all PLEASE stop this?

@silverraptor- A long time ABR'er, The_Randomizer, left after a heated discussion. While I think he's at least willing to look at the discussion thread now, I suspect there are still hard feelings out there. I was absent at the time he left, so I wouldn't know.


EDIT:


...Now that was a snipe. And a pointless, argumentative one, at that.

Not helping... Although I'm not sure me sighing did wonders either.

[The Gremlin]

...Now that was a snipe. And a pointless, argumentative one, at that.

JOKING!
CA: Those books suck. I vote we eat Riordan's entrails.

[DoomITP]

Grem that was also a snipe. :smallsigh:

[Silverraptor]

*sigh* *facepalm* Could we all PLEASE stop this?

@silverraptor- A long time ABR'er, The_Randomizer, left after a heated discussion. While I think he's at least willing to look at the discussion thread now, I suspect there are still hard feelings out there. I was absent at the time he left, so I wouldn't know.

Ok. I see. I was wondering what happened to him since he seemed to have contributed earlier...

And now I was wondering if we can forget the argument and please get back to me as a way to avoid the argument. Character, yay or nay?:smallconfused:

[Squark]

Stop calling Grem out! Even if its justified, (And Grem, I'm not saying it is, although keep in mind sarcasm can't be easily noticed on the internet), it isn't helping!

[The Gremlin]

Grem that was also a snipe. :smallsigh:

No, it wasn't. It was a comment. A snipe is when you say something argumentative and then ask to stop arguing.
/\ I hoped the irony would leak through.

[Silverraptor]

In the hope that this will stop what I have started, I will keep up with my question.

CoN character?:smallconfused:

[Squark]

This is getting us nowhere. Can we just all agree to stop, and just leave any discussion until we've had a few days for tempers to cool (on both sides).

[Darklord Bright]

In the hope that this will stop what I have started, I will keep up with my question.

CoN character?:smallconfused:

Just go for it, Silver. You seem reasonable enough. I'll give one yay.

[BRC]

Alright, this calls for drastic measures. We must settle this debate the ABR way.

Gremlin, DLB, each one of you is to draw a character representing yourself. It could be your avatar, it could be something else entierly, it could be an image you pulled up out of nowhere.
Once each of you has selected your "Champion", the duel begins. Each of you makes a Comic featuring your "Champion" defeating your opponent's Champion in the most awesome manner possible. This is not a back-and-forward thing, each of you makes the comic independent of the other person's. Only the combatants remain the same. You are encouraged to get creative.
There is to be no talk of "My character can do X" or "That wouldn't work on my character". The only thing you provide your opponent with is what your character looks like. However, it's considered bad form to disregard the obvious features of the other person's character. If they are portrayed as a greatsword wielding knight, it is looked down upon to say that they are only 9 feet tall, or that they are in fact a cardboard cutout of a great sword wielding knight.

Once both comics have been created, I will use my RL friends, who are not GiantITPers and have no knowledge of ABR, no background for the debate, and no knowledge of either of you, as an impartial panel of judges. They shall Vote on whose comic is more Kickass and/or awesome. That person will be declared the winner.

While I am aware this will not solve the root of the problem, it should be fun and will, I believe, provide some closure to the issue.

[Darklord Bright]

Alright, this calls for drastic measures. We must settle this debate the ABR way.

Gremlin, DLB, each one of you is to draw a character representing yourself. It could be your avatar, it could be something else entierly, it could be an image you pulled up out of nowhere.
Once each of you has selected your "Champion", the duel begins. Each of you makes a Comic featuring your "Champion" defeating your opponent's Champion in the most awesome manner possible. This is not a back-and-forward thing, each of you makes the comic independent of the other person's. Only the combatants remain the same. You are encouraged to get creative.
There is to be no talk of "My character can do X" or "That wouldn't work on my character". The only thing you provide your opponent with is what your character looks like.

Once both comics have been created, I will use my RL friends, who are not GiantITPers and have no knowledge of ABR, no background for the debate, and no knowledge of either of you, as an impartial panel of judges. They shall Vote on whose comic is more Kickass and/or awesome. That person will be declared the winner.

While I am aware this will not solve the root of the problem, it should be fun and will, I believe, provide some closure to the issue.

I really, really don't feel like that, BRC. I just want to avoid this subject in the future, and I don't like the idea that my personal feelings of being upset can be declared wrong because of a comic.

I know you're trying to help, but please.

[Silverraptor]

Just go for it, Silver. You seem reasonable enough. I'll give one yay.

Alright. Thank you. I just need to talk to Keris really quick and I shall begin then.

Hope you guys like him!:smallsmile:

[The Gremlin]

Alright, this calls for drastic measures. We must settle this debate the ABR way.

Gremlin, DLB, each one of you is to draw a character representing yourself. It could be your avatar, it could be something else entierly, it could be an image you pulled up out of nowhere.
Once each of you has selected your "Champion", the duel begins. Each of you makes a Comic featuring your "Champion" defeating your opponent's Champion in the most awesome manner possible. This is not a back-and-forward thing, each of you makes the comic independent of the other person's. Only the combatants remain the same. You are encouraged to get creative.
There is to be no talk of "My character can do X" or "That wouldn't work on my character". The only thing you provide your opponent with is what your character looks like. However, it's considered bad form to disregard the obvious features of the other person's character. If they are portrayed as a greatsword wielding knight, it is looked down upon to say that they are only 9 feet tall, or that they are in fact a cardboard cutout of a great sword wielding knight.

Once both comics have been created, I will use my RL friends, who are not GiantITPers and have no knowledge of ABR, no background for the debate, and no knowledge of either of you, as an impartial panel of judges. They shall Vote on whose comic is more Kickass and/or awesome. That person will be declared the winner.

While I am aware this will not solve the root of the problem, it should be fun and will, I believe, provide some closure to the issue.

The debate is sorta over, I think. But it could be fun. Sure. But there's no ay it'll settle the matter. It'll just be a fun thing to do. A basic ABR war to depict our 'eternal rivalry'. :smallwink:

[kpenguin]

Alright, this calls for drastic measures. We must settle this debate the ABR way.

Gremlin, DLB, each one of you is to draw a character representing yourself. It could be your avatar, it could be something else entierly, it could be an image you pulled up out of nowhere.
Once each of you has selected your "Champion", the duel begins. Each of you makes a Comic featuring your "Champion" defeating your opponent's Champion in the most awesome manner possible. This is not a back-and-forward thing, each of you makes the comic independent of the other person's. Only the combatants remain the same. You are encouraged to get creative.
There is to be no talk of "My character can do X" or "That wouldn't work on my character". The only thing you provide your opponent with is what your character looks like. However, it's considered bad form to disregard the obvious features of the other person's character. If they are portrayed as a greatsword wielding knight, it is looked down upon to say that they are only 9 feet tall, or that they are in fact a cardboard cutout of a great sword wielding knight.

Once both comics have been created, I will use my RL friends, who are not GiantITPers and have no knowledge of ABR, no background for the debate, and no knowledge of either of you, as an impartial panel of judges. They shall Vote on whose comic is more Kickass and/or awesome. That person will be declared the winner.

While I am aware this will not solve the root of the problem, it should be fun and will, I believe, provide some closure to the issue.

So, basically trial by traditional ABR?

:smallbiggrin:I'm all for it.

[BRC]

I really, really don't feel like that, BRC. I just want to avoid this subject in the future, and I don't like the idea that my personal feelings of being upset can be declared wrong because of a comic.

I know you're trying to help, but please.
Pfft, who said anything about the contest declaring whose right and whose wrong. I'm not even going to attempt to solve that issue.

This is more along the lines of a way to blow off steam and ease tension through friendly competition. Like two people who are mad at each other have a race, or play Mario kart or something. Nobody pretends that such a competition actually declares one side right and the other wrong, but the two people feel like they've had an objective way to oppose each other. At best, the debate is over (It's been over for awhile) and residual bad feelings are gone. At worst, it was still fun!

[Darklord Bright]

I really don't think I have the willpower to do a comic after this. Grem will win by default. Contemplating handing management of my plot and my characters over to Singuin. I just don't wan't to deal with the drama anymore.

I know it seems like an overreaction, but Grem, you've honestly been seriously upsetting me for quite some time now, and I really don't want to deal with this anymore.

[The Gremlin]

Pfft, who said anything about the contest declaring whose right and whose wrong. I'm not even going to attempt to solve that issue.

This is more along the lines of a way to blow off steam and ease tension through friendly competition. Like two people who are mad at each other have a race, or play Mario kart or something. Nobody pretends that such a competition actually declares one side right and the other wrong, but the two people feel like they've had an objective way to oppose each other. At best, the debate is over (It's been over for awhile) and residual bad feelings are gone. At worst, it was still fun!

Meh, it seems like a bad idea to judge it, then. Just let both people post their comic.
/\ I'll not bug you about taking the argument too seriously. That'd be a pot calling the kettle black.
It's fine, but do you mind if I do a RK/RS anyways?

[BRC]

I really don't think I have the willpower to do a comic after this. Grem will win by default. Contemplating handing management of my plot and my characters over to Singuin. I just don't wan't to deal with the drama anymore.

I know it seems like an overreaction, but Grem, you've honestly been seriously upsetting me for quite some time now, and I really don't want to deal with this anymore.
Woah, were not talking immediate, like "You have to have this done by tonight". You'd get a week at least, if not more.
However, you seem sad, have a Commiepuppy, it will cheer you up.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/bloddyredcommie/Commiepuppies/Commiepuppy.png

[Darklord Bright]

Meh, it seems like a bad idea to judge it, then. Just let both people post their comic.
/\ I'll not bug you about taking the argument too seriously. That'd be a pot calling the kettle black.
It's fine, but do you mind if I do a RK/RS anyways?

Go ahead. Besides, you knew how seriously I was taking it about a month ago when I told you up front and you said you would keep doing it anyways.

I'll still be in other plots, I just don't want to deal with CoN anymore. I love the plot, but I never wanted this.

[-skimmer-]

Awww, a commiepuppy:smallbiggrin:

[The Gremlin]

Go ahead. Besides, you knew how seriously I was taking it about a month ago when I told you up front and you said you would keep doing it anyways.

I'll still be in other plots, I just don't want to deal with CoN anymore. I love the plot, but I never wanted this.
...
....:smalleek:
Please do not leave CoN. I promise to drop the Ogre debate if you stay. I just value this plot a lot, and take any disagreement about it personally. Please do not leave.

[BRC]

Awww, a commiepuppy:smallbiggrin:
Now available in the alignment of your choice
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/bloddyredcommie/Commiepuppies/Fiendcommiepuppy.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/bloddyredcommie/Commiepuppies/CelestialCommiepuppy.png

Also, the enemies of the People did tremble, for they saw their doom approaching
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/bloddyredcommie/Commiepuppies/Commiecerebus.png

[Darklord Bright]

...
....:smalleek:
Please do not leave CoN. I promise to drop the Ogre debate if you stay. I just value this plot a lot, and take any disagreement about it personally. Please do not leave.

It's not my plot anymore.

[BRC]

It's not my plot anymore.
You make the commiepuppies sad.

[Silverraptor]

It's not my plot anymore.

:frown:

This is all my fault isn't it. I had to accidently rekindle the argument between you 2...:smallfrown: I was actually looking forward to working with you on CoN.

[Darklord Bright]

:frown:

This is all my fault isn't it. I had to accidently rekindle the argument between you 2...:smallfrown: I was actually looking forward to working with you on CoN.

Sorry.

Back when I made it, I was looking forward to it, too. Things change. THe plot isn't what I imagined it would be.

[The Gremlin]

It's not my plot anymore.

FFF is KP's plot. FI will be MM's. They direct it as best they can, which is what you do. Just because you occasionally have to argue about one aspect or another doesn't mean that that has stopped.
Even if it isn't your plot, you didn't start it so that you could have your own plot. You started it because you thought we needed a high fantasy plot. And because you liked the idea of a new world. Does whether or not it belongs to you that important?
/\ Has it really changed that much?

[Silverraptor]

Sorry.

Back when I made it, I was looking forward to it, too. Things change. THe plot isn't what I imagined it would be.

Well what's wrong? What happened? Maybe we can resettle this.

[Darklord Bright]

I'm really sorry to everyone involved in it.

Just... don't let it die because I left, okay? Do me a favour and keep it running as best you guys can.

[The Gremlin]

I'm really sorry to everyone involved in it.

Just... don't let it die because I left, okay? Do me a favour and keep it running as best you guys can.

If it has changed so much, have you no interest in what it is now? :smallfrown:
I will not let it die. This has always been my favorite plot. Yes, I argued. But I never wanted you to leave.

[Silverraptor]

I'm really sorry to everyone involved in it.

Just... don't let it die because I left, okay? Do me a favour and keep it running as best you guys can.

Sure...

Just atleast consider about coming back eventually. Remember what I have planned between you and me.

[The Gremlin]

This is a big decision, DLB, and should not be made in the heat of an argument. Wait. Take a break. We can pick up the slack. I think I'm going to do this the same way I revive my favorite PbPs:
Hey! Who is still interested in this! If you are, say so. If you aren't say so. We have to figure out who to cut out.

[kpenguin]

FFF is KP's plot.

This is what bothers me the most about FFF:R's hiatus.

I took a break from making comics after cranking 20 comics over the course of a week and nobody else except Siniguin and Q made a comic.

I don't want to be the director of FFF:R anymore than I was the director of FFF.

[The Gremlin]

This is a big decision, DLB, and should not be made in the heat of an argument. Wait. Take a break. We can pick up the slack. I think I'm going to do this the same way I revive my favorite PbPs:
Hey! Who is still interested in this! If you are, say so. If you aren't say so. We have to figure out who to cut out.

Gonna quote 'cause I made fancy font changes! :smallbiggrin:

[Darklord Bright]

Sin, if you need tips on personality stuff, just PM me until you don't need my help with it anymore.

It's a big decision I've been mulling over for a while. I didn't just decide it, this just... tipped the scale.

[The Gremlin]

Sin, if you need tips on personality stuff, just PM me until you don't need my help with it anymore.

It's a big decision I've been mulling over for a while. I didn't just decide it, this just... tipped the scale.

Wait, is SP getting control of the plot?
CURSES! My plan didn't work!
That's right., kids, Gremlin has been planning this coupe for years! When DLB was vulnerable, he started an argument, and sure enough, DLB decided to quit CoN! Will his evil plot work? Find out next time, on the ABR Show! :smallwink:

[Green-Shirt Q]

This is what bothers me the most about FFF:R's hiatus.

I took a break from making comics after cranking 20 comics over the course of a week and nobody else except Siniguin and Q made a comic.

I don't want to be the director of FFF:R anymore than I was the director of FFF.

I want to make comics, but it's hard, you know? I barely have enough time for my own fancomics! :smallfrown:

[SinisterPenguin]

Sin, if you need tips on personality stuff, just PM me until you don't need my help with it anymore.

It's a big decision I've been mulling over for a while. I didn't just decide it, this just... tipped the scale.

Will do, if CoN ends up coming back.

I'd really rather you didn't leave CoN at all, though... :smallfrown:

[Falgorn]

Well, I've got news. It might be good; it might be bad. Depends on how you look at it.

Well, I'm officially not making comics anymore. Not like I ever did, but what the hey. Now it's official.

[-skimmer-]

Well, I've got news. It might be good; it might be bad. Depends on how you look at it.

Well, I'm officially not making comics anymore. Not like I ever did, but what the hey. Now it's official.

Oooooh!:smallmad:

[Falgorn]

Oooooh!:smallmad:

I'm sorry, -skimmer-. You wasted a lot of time on me. It wasn't worth it.

I'll probably be back, when I get motivation and/or time.

[Lyinginbedmon]

I want to make comics, but it's hard, you know? I barely have enough time for my own fancomics! :smallfrown:

Pretty much the same here for me, though I tend to have more time here at Uni than I initially consider.

Right now the only reason I'm not in FFF:R at the moment is because the intro comic for Lying is fairly huge and I'm waiting for an appropriate moment to drop him in so he's not just sitting around in the waiting room for time on the main stage.

[kpenguin]

But... he's a mattress salesman.

[Lyinginbedmon]

But... he's a mattress salesman.

You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it any truer than saying "Rangiramon is a potion saleswoman" or "Richard is a sadistic undead warlock".

Sure, it's true in a blunt sense, but it's not nearly the full extent of the character.

[kpenguin]

True, but at the moment, canonically that is all Lyinginbedmon is. A mattress chain.

[Nameless]

*pokes Keris*
Hurry up with your comic. :P

[Fay Graydon]

*pokes Keris*
Hurry up with your comic. :P

I second this remark...
However... I have a feeling he might have been killed by a pack of wild boars...
:smallsquigallyfacemadeofpaper:

[Nameless]

I second this remark...
However... I have a feeling he might have been killed by a pack of wild boars...
:smallsquigallyfacemadeofpaper:

Well, as long as his brain makes it. I can just stick it in a jar and attach mechanical arms to it. That's all he needs to draw.

[Squark]

This is what bothers me the most about FFF:R's hiatus.

I took a break from making comics after cranking 20 comics over the course of a week and nobody else except Siniguin and Q made a comic.

I don't want to be the director of FFF:R anymore than I was the director of FFF.

Sorry I haven't been able to post. Real-Life (I finally got one!:smallwink:) is conspiring to ruin my internet social life. Not that I was that great at following up on ABR to begin with...

[Mina Kobold]

True, but at the moment, canonically that is all Lyinginbedmon is. A mattress chain.

But isn't his character Igon Mnoblendy?

[Squark]

But isn't his character Igon Mnoblendy?

Yeah, didn't Igon have an appearance in the intro comics? :smallconfused:

Also, I got a (pointless) FFFRB comic up!

[Mad Mask]

Why did you make it? What purpose does this comic serve? :smallconfused:

[Khaeta]

It's an intro comic. Presumably, in the next comic Squark will fall off the flying mattress or something. It introduces his character to the setting, and implies a possible link between him and Lyingingbedmon.

[Squark]

Why did you make it? What purpose does this comic serve? :smallconfused:


It's an intro comic. Presumably, in the next comic Squark will fall off the flying mattress or something. It introduces his character to the setting, and implies a possible link between him and Lyingingbedmon.

Hey, that's a good idea (although you do realize I've made previous FFF: RB comics, right?).


But actually, its just to be funny. Not everything has to advance the plot. And it is a bit of characterization (Is that really how you spell characterization? Firefox thinks it's right, but it just doesn't look right to me.) Although I admit I should probably try to help the ball get rolling.

[kpenguin]

Yeah, didn't Igon have an appearance in the intro comics? :smallconfused:

Must Igon be Lyinginbedmon?

[Mad Mask]

I've added some banners on the main page. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6996385&postcount=2) Note: Ins' design may change over the course of the comics.

[-skimmer-]

I say that UNA symbol looks like a giant lolipop:smalltongue:

Also, both Lying and Ins should wear more of blue....

[EmeraldPhoenix]

This is a big decision, DLB, and should not be made in the heat of an argument. Wait. Take a break. We can pick up the slack. I think I'm going to do this the same way I revive my favorite PbPs:
Hey! Who is still interested in this! If you are, say so. If you aren't say so. We have to figure out who to cut out.

I'm part of it!

...I think.

[Shades of Gray]

I've added some banners on the main page. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6996385&postcount=2) Note: Ins' design may change over the course of the comics.

I remind you again that you must either put a shadow over Antoine's eyes, obscure them somehow (by having him face away form the camera or something), or remove him from the banner.

[Falgorn]

Could you throw Falgorn (http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss177/quiglar12/path5067.png) into the UNA Banner, MM?

[The Gremlin]

I say that UNA symbol looks like a giant lolipop:smalltongue:

Also, both Lying and Ins should wear more of blue....

:smallannoyed:
Skimmer, are you in CoN or not? Given that I've posted about it TWICE, the only conclusion seems to be that you are ignoring my posts.
And Falgorn, I believe you are in CoN too. If people don't answer, it's a bit hard to revive the best plot in ABR.

[Falgorn]

:smallannoyed:
Skimmer, are you in CoN or not? Given that I've posted about it TWICE, the only conclusion seems to be that you are ignoring my posts.
And Falgorn, I believe you are in CoN too. If people don't answer, it's a bit hard to revive the best plot in ABR.

No, I'm not. I thought I would be, but I'm
NOT.

Good enough?

[SinisterPenguin]

Could you throw Falgorn (http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss177/quiglar12/path5067.png) into the UNA Banner, MM?

If you are absolutely not making any comics anymore, why would Falgorn be in the banner? :smallconfused:

I mean, if you're not going to participate, I don't see much point in having your character in there.

[Falgorn]

If you are absolutely not making any comics anymore, why would Falgorn be in the banner? :smallconfused:

I mean, if you're not going to participate, I don't see much point in having your character in there.

I'm coming back, I thought I made that clear, so I want to be in continuity. It's like a hiatus. Except I'm still here, waiting for some divine power to possess me and make me make comics.

[-skimmer-]

:smallannoyed:
Skimmer, are you in CoN or not? Given that I've posted about it TWICE, the only conclusion seems to be that you are ignoring my posts.
And Falgorn, I believe you are in CoN too. If people don't answer, it's a bit hard to revive the best plot in ABR.

Honestly yes, I ignored your posts.....they were far too long and boring for me to read whole:smallsigh:

As for CoN, let's say I'm still sort of in it....I'm just too occupied with drawing for MY project right now....my characters are not really important for your progress anyway....


If you are absolutely not making any comics anymore, why would Falgorn be in the banner? :smallconfused:

I mean, if you're not going to participate, I don't see much point in having your character in there.

If nothing else, I can always draw comics on request for him, or take over the character at the beginning.....if he gives a permision of course....

[The Gremlin]

Honestly yes, I ignored your posts.....they were far too long and boring for me to read whole:smallsigh:

As for CoN, let's say I'm still sort of in it....I'm just too occupied with drawing for MY project right now....my characters are not really important for your progress anyway....



If nothing else, I can always draw comics on request for him, or take over the character at the beginning.....if he gives a permision of course....

Ah, okay. Though you should probably note that big posts are generally important. The idea to make FI the sequel instead of an alternate reality plot was a big post, too.
Falgorn: See, that's the kind of information I need: You will be returning at some point, which means offing your characters (which I probably wouldn't do anyways, but all the same)would not be a good idea.

[Khaeta]

Honestly yes, I ignored your posts.....they were far too long and boring for me to read whole:smallsigh:

As for CoN, let's say I'm still sort of in it....I'm just too occupied with drawing for MY project right now....my characters are not really important for your progress anyway....

It affects my progress...my character was about to fall on your characters. And it's kinda late to make him somehow join another group.

[-skimmer-]

It affects my progress...my character was about to fall on your characters. And it's kinda late to make him somehow join another group.

Hmm....good point, I'm going to fix that....

[The Gremlin]

Please note that I can make no comics until December 1st, do to NaNo.

[Mina Kobold]

I'm part of it!

...I think.

Count me in too.

On another note, the banner is missing an important ethnical minority... KOBOLDS! :smalltongue:

[Falgorn]

Honestly yes, I ignored your posts.....they were far too long and boring for me to read whole:smallsigh:

As for CoN, let's say I'm still sort of in it....I'm just too occupied with drawing for MY project right now....my characters are not really important for your progress anyway....



If nothing else, I can always draw comics on request for him, or take over the character at the beginning.....if he gives a permision of course....

Permission's given, -skimmer-.

[CrimsonAngel]

WHAT THE CRAP! I visit the thread finally and DLB is friggen leaving? What the crap happened!?

[kpenguin]

WHAT THE CRAP! I visit the thread finally and DLB is friggen leaving? What the crap happened!?

DLB isn't leaving. He's just not participating in CoN anymore.

Given that CoN seems to be mostly dead, I'm not seeing a shift.

[CrimsonAngel]

Leaving CoN.

[Silverraptor]

DLB isn't leaving. He's just not participating in CoN anymore.

Given that CoN seems to be mostly dead, I'm not seeing a shift.

It's only dead because it needs people like me and Emerald to start it up again. That and because FFF:r has overshadowed it.

[kpenguin]

It's only dead because it needs people like me and Emerald to start it up again. That and because FFF:r has overshadowed it.

Bah, we had almost a week of inactivity. You people don't take opportunities when they come.

[Silverraptor]

Bah, we had almost a week of inactivity. You people don't take opportunities when they come.

I'm actually waiting for X2 to respond to me. Oh where, oh where can he be?:smallconfused:

[The Gremlin]

DLB isn't leaving. He's just not participating in CoN anymore.

Given that CoN seems to be mostly dead, I'm not seeing a shift.

We're actually resurrecting it, as you should have seen. I'm doin' fancy-like res'rechun an' stuff. :smalltongue:
CA: Are you in CoN or not?
HOW MANY PEOPLE IGNORE MY POSTS, ANYWAYS?!
Um, please don't answer that.

[Mina Kobold]

HOW MANY PEOPLE IGNORE MY POSTS, ANYWAYS?!
Um, please don't answer that.

5.000.000.000+ actually, but a lot of them ignore this website altogether so don't take it too bad :smalltongue:
I actually answered if you haven't noticed :smallsmile:

[Threeshades]

5.000.000.000+ actually, but a lot of them ignore this website altogether so don't take it too bad :smalltongue:
I actually answered if you haven't noticed :smallsmile:

does being utterly unaware of something's existence count as ignoring it?

[Mina Kobold]

does being utterly unaware of something's existence count as ignoring it?

Not normally, but a lot of people ignore such thing they call "nerdy" or "Geeky" which among others are sites with gaming webcomics such as Giantitp and thus the also ignore the posts on it's forums.

[Khaeta]

HOW MANY PEOPLE IGNORE MY POSTS, ANYWAYS?!

OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!

-3, since me, Kev, and TS apparently don't ignore you :smallwink:

EDIT: And I'm still in if you didn't get it, but I'm waiting for -skimmer- who's apparently working on something.

[CrimsonAngel]

I'm in CoN. It's my favorite plot.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

I don't want CoN to die! I've only just (hypothetically*) joined it! :smallfrown:

*Okay, seriously. Somebody give me a clear, actual answer, please. Am I, or am I not, part of CoN. The whole "Ignoring me" thing is getting old.:smallannoyed: