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whiskytangofoxt
2009-11-17, 07:03 AM
How do you guys deal with sexuality in your games?

I know it doesn't come up all that often, but I'm planning on running a BIG D&D 3.5 game, and well, I know my players :smallwink: They like to ensure their characters are fully fleshed out (pardon the pun) and part of that will most likely include the birds and the bees.

Do you ban it as a topic? Do you include things like brothels, stuff from the Nymphology book, some of the more *ahem* out there stuff from BoVD? Have any of you ran a game where the nasty is a big thing?

Any help is, as always, appreciated :smallbiggrin:

kamikasei
2009-11-17, 07:09 AM
Depends entirely on the group. In general I wouldn't spend much time on it. Based on the game type and tone, it may be entirely irrelevant, or it may be weird not to at least explicitly state that the character is chaste if that's the case (and to summarize his inclinations and activity as they may be relevant to the plot, if not).

I have zero interest in a game where we actually roleplay out sexual activity, if that's what you mean. On the other hand, most of my characters are people who do or might have sex, or think about it at least, though the extent to which that'd come up in the game is, as mentioned, highly variable; and if it makes sense for the game and isn't detrimental (in terms of time spent) to the rest of play, they'll spend a little time pursuing it, though any successes would take place "offstage".

Saph
2009-11-17, 07:09 AM
Generally I leave it up to my players. They're all in their 20s and 30s and mature enough to make their own decisions. It's up to them whether to focus on it or not. Occasionally one of them brings it up, occasionally it comes in as a result of my actions as a DM (if the BBEG is a succubus, say).

I won't actually narrate sex, so anything like that is done in a "fade to black" style - the game resumes afterwards and it's left up to the players' imaginations to fill in the blanks. I usually find that's more effective, anyway. :)

whiskytangofoxt
2009-11-17, 07:10 AM
Yeah, should have said, we ain't talking a full-on RP experience... this isn't The Game That Shall Not Be Named Here.

Just more of general toe-dip to see how people handle such things!

Temet Nosce
2009-11-17, 07:13 AM
In evil games in particular this can really get intense with sadomasochism and the like but personally I tend to stick by emphasizing it as much or as little as the players/situation seem to call for.

What I wouldn't advise doing is having them RP out the entire thing since that can take a good bit of time. Other than that though, judge your audience and decide based on their interest.

Also, I'd include brothels even in a campaign where the players showed little to no interest in RPing sex (albeit it'd just end up background flavor). They don't call it the oldest profession in the world for nothing.

SparkMandriller
2009-11-17, 07:25 AM
So, I'm planning on making a druid that has sex with her animal companion...



sorry sorry sorry

Volkov
2009-11-17, 07:27 AM
So, I'm planning on making a druid that has sex with her animal companion...



sorry sorry sorry

You have thirty...twenty seconds to run as far away as possible before I come after you with a flame thrower.

Temet Nosce
2009-11-17, 07:31 AM
You have thirty...twenty seconds to run as far away as possible before I come after you with a flame thrower.

Some time, someone, somewhere said to themselves "You know I really want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

Personally I would actually be ok with that in a game, assuming the other players didn't mind and you RPed the situation well. However, given the wide variety of other offenses that occur around me in D&D that's not all that surprising. Regardless though, it really does come down to player interests.

SparkMandriller
2009-11-17, 07:34 AM
That thread's only a day old, how could I resist making a reference?
I've got low wisdom, my will save sucks, okay. :(


Wait, you guys did see it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131852), right? Because I mean yeah.

sonofzeal
2009-11-17, 07:37 AM
RULES FOR INCLUDING SEX IN YOUR GAMES

RULE #1 - Anything that makes any player uncomfortable, at any time, must stop immediately.

RULE #2 - Understand that people aren't always able to verbalize when they're uncomfortable, and you should be proactive about making sure everyone's cool. That can involve advance notice of especially taboo topics, monitoring people's body language during the scene, and checking in with people afterwards.

RULE #3 - Otherwise, have fun, and let your players go where they choose.

So, I'm planning on making a druid that has sex with her animal companion...



sorry sorry sorry
Beastiality (and incest, and pedophilia) are rather taboo in this culture, and are more likely to violate Rule #1. That said, many people don't really care as long as it's in a purely fictional context. Gauge your group, and come to a reasonable compromise.

dsmiles
2009-11-17, 07:39 AM
Generally I leave it up to my players. They're all in their 20s and 30s and mature enough to make their own decisions. It's up to them whether to focus on it or not. Occasionally one of them brings it up, occasionally it comes in as a result of my actions as a DM (if the BBEG is a succubus, say).

I won't actually narrate sex, so anything like that is done in a "fade to black" style - the game resumes afterwards and it's left up to the players' imaginations to fill in the blanks. I usually find that's more effective, anyway. :)

My players are all in the same age bracket, and sex rarely comes up (at least seriously, at any rate), but I'm pretty sure that this is the way to go.
Love interests do come up however, and that is all RP'd.

SparkMandriller
2009-11-17, 07:41 AM
Yeah um actually seriously this time, I don't really go in for sex much in games. I mean, yeah, if someone wants to then they can, but I don't really see much need for details. And, y'know, there are all those horror stories of DMs who decide that entire games need to focus around sex, with hugely detailed descriptions of what's going on and stuff, and I think I'd rather avoid that.

So yeah, not much sexuality going on with me. Maybe I'm just a boring guy.

IonDragon
2009-11-17, 07:41 AM
My $0.02:
It should be handled "Off stage". My group is mainly combat based, and it is much easier to handle combat when everyone is present and easier to handle role play (Especially role play that involves only a select few players) with the GM online (IRC or boards). We don't like detracting from our plot advancement with non-plot centric RP.

Even that should probably be kept R rated or less. I would not be comfortable role playing anything beyond that and if I were to, I would be even less comfortable with others reading it.

Guinea Anubis
2009-11-17, 07:42 AM
I and most of my DMs have let it be in the game. But it is like other have said its fade to black. The only time when it comes up again is if I need to use a save your son you did not know you had from the BBEG plot hook, or it turned out to be someone and theres someone else that cares what you did to them.

whiskytangofoxt
2009-11-17, 07:47 AM
Spark, they're not that bad... not yet, anyway...

I think I'd rather just be prepared should anything occur. As was said earlier, it doesn't always come up, but if it does? I'd rather have an idea of how to handle it and maintain the suspension of disbelief, rather than neutering the characters from the offset. At the same time, I don't want to get into the mechanics of the whole thing, and three guys and one chick RPing a sex scene isn't going to be all that fun. I'm probably aiming for "risque" rather than all-out pornographic.

Plus, brothels, dirty wizards and the odd succubus can add a fun element to a game :smallbiggrin:

Nero24200
2009-11-17, 07:52 AM
Generally I don't, but that's mostly because I adopt a "Is it relevent?" approach, and 9 times out of 10 it isn't.

If theres a PC that's weak-willed and a luring succubus might be able to sway an interresting plot hook or some such, then maybe, but like Saph it'll "Fade to Black", though even then I'm reluctent to try that one since, in the past, I've had to deal with some immature players.

It's really a question of the group. If something "mature" is relevent to the game or a character's personae, then it'll never be a problem provided you have a reasonably mature group.

Temet Nosce
2009-11-17, 07:58 AM
Spark, they're not that bad... not yet, anyway...

I think I'd rather just be prepared should anything occur. As was said earlier, it doesn't always come up, but if it does? I'd rather have an idea of how to handle it and maintain the suspension of disbelief, rather than neutering the characters from the offset. At the same time, I don't want to get into the mechanics of the whole thing, and three guys and one chick RPing a sex scene isn't going to be all that fun. I'm probably aiming for "risque" rather than all-out pornographic.

Plus, brothels, dirty wizards and the odd succubus can add a fun element to a game :smallbiggrin:

Well, based on what you're saying your group are going to be the ones initiating it. So just give them what they want, they have sex in as much or little detail as amuses them (make sure it doesn't drag the game) and the game goes on.

The only real issue I see you having is making sure that the game continues to move along at a suitable pace. So try to make sure they don't spend to much time describing their screwing unless the entire group wants to focus on it for some reason.

It's really like any other part of D&D, you concentrate on it to the extent the party shows interest and try to keep things moving along.

Rettu Skcollob
2009-11-17, 08:01 AM
That thread's only a day old, how could I resist making a reference?
I've got low wisdom, my will save sucks, okay. :(


Wait, you guys did see it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131852), right? Because I mean yeah.

Thanks for reminding me, so I can laugh some more. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH GODS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That made my day that thread, it really did.

As for sex in roleplaying games, I've run/played in games from both ends of the spectrum, where it was never mentioned to where it was the main focus. All I can say is that it depends on the players when it's in RL, online it tends to be much less awkward. It can be fun, though I wouldn't play games where that was the main narrative all the time.

Oslecamo
2009-11-17, 08:55 AM
Beastiality (and incest, and pedophilia) are rather taboo in this culture, and are more likely to violate Rule #1. That said, many people don't really care as long as it's in a purely fictional context. Gauge your group, and come to a reasonable compromise.

Actualy, the last one is not only taboo but also a crime and received a lot of negative news on the last years, so it's probably safer to don't even bring it, even if in a purely fictional context, unless it's people you really trust.

Kurald Galain
2009-11-17, 09:14 AM
I also use the fade-to-black approach. I've DM'ed for player characters intent on seducing certain NPCs, or just looking for fun in bar at night, or at several points getting into a serious relationship with another PC. So yeah, characters mention they enter the same bedroom, or move away from the group for the night, and fade out.

(or on one occasion, a character wanted to party and get really drunk, at which point we faded out, then faded in the next morning with him waking up and wondering who that was lying next to him...)

I've read some net.books that mention rolling dice for, ahem, performance and such, but I don't feel that adds anything. Rather the opposite, actually. :smalltongue:

Temet Nosce
2009-11-17, 09:14 AM
Actualy, the last one is not only taboo but also a crime and received a lot of negative news on the last years, so it's probably safer to don't even bring it, even if in a purely fictional context, unless it's people you really trust.

Are you suggesting they're going to get arrested for pretending? That's um, interesting.

Really though, it's about what the group is interested in. I mean come on, it's a game about murder and looting. It's not like these are things that you'd be congratulated on doing in real life in the first place. So it falls to the people involved to determine what they want to see in game - which has nothing at all to do with how their chosen areas of pretending would be reacted to in reality.

Oslecamo
2009-11-17, 09:30 AM
Are you suggesting they're going to get arrested for pretending? That's um, interesting.


I'm not sugesting. Ever heard of Kodomo no Jikan? A quite popular manga picking up that particular taboo whitout ever going into hentai ground, wich however will never oficialy see the light of day outside of Japan, because no ocidental company wants to see it's name linked to it. Google it for more info.

But Batle Royal? Teenagers slaughtering each other in all kinds of gruesome and graphic ways? Translated whitout trouble in several languages.

Temet Nosce
2009-11-17, 09:35 AM
I'm not sugesting. Ever heard of Kodomo no Jikan? A quite popular manga picking up that particular taboo whitout ever going into hentai ground, wich however will never oficialy see the light of day outside of Japan, because no ocidental company wants to see it's name linked to it. Google it for more info.

But Batle Royal? Teenagers slaughtering each other in all kinds of gruesome and graphic ways? Translated whitout trouble in several languages.

Yeah, but somehow I seriously doubt most RPers are gonna try to publish copies of their sessions so that doesn't really come up.

Of course, if they do decide to do so I'd be kind of amused if it worked.

Foryn Gilnith
2009-11-17, 09:39 AM
I toss out a reference to there being a brothel somewhere in town once in a while, but generally I try to keep it out of campaigns. There's rarely need for it, and my players don't care for it. Between taverns and tramping through the wilderness, there are several one-night stands, but they're inconsequential enough in the long run that we gloss over it completely.

kamikasei
2009-11-17, 09:42 AM
...will never oficialy see the light of day outside of Japan, because no ocidental company wants to see it's name linked to it.

But that's a question of public image and politics (as in, the politics companies have to play to keep their customer base happy). It doesn't mean, as Temet Nosce said, that they're afraid they'll be arrested if they print it. And even if they were, laws around publications have little to do with what a group meeting privately can or cannot discuss between them.

Now, I'll certainly grant that it's a serious trigger issue likely to provoke squick and outrage from players much more than, say, bestiality or incest (even if treated with exactly the same level or lack of detail), and that's a concern to keep in mind when playing... but that's just a matter of the sensitivities of your players, not anything outside the table.


Yeah, but somehow I seriously doubt most RPers are gonna try to publish copies of their sessions so that doesn't really come up.

Of course, if they do decide to do so I'd be kind of amused if it worked.

It worked for Ryo Mizuno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War)...

Ormagoden
2009-11-17, 10:26 AM
However, given the wide variety of other offenses that occur around me in D&D that's not all that surprising.

That's a story right there! I know it! LOL




Now, I'll certainly grant that it's a serious trigger issue likely to provoke squick and outrage from players much more than, say, bestiality or incest (even if treated with exactly the same level or lack of detail)


Yeah, even my reading it makes me a bit uncomfortable. The prospect of DMing something like that makes me a bit queasy. I think I'd pull the below stated "black box" out of retirement for that situation.

"You enter the room intending to do bad things to the child, Black Box."

Even the above sentence makes me uncomfortable. That is the extent I would go to in description of something like that...



I won't actually narrate sex, so anything like that is done in a "fade to black" style - the game resumes afterwards and it's left up to the players' imaginations to fill in the blanks. I usually find that's more effective, anyway. :)

We used to call that the "black box" back in the day. I agree, I don't touch on it too much. It goes something like, "Oh yeah so and so is really into you, you go off and black box and it was great" (or bad)

Since you never know how someone really feels about mature topics its best to skim it for the most part.

The "black box" became rather humorous during those times. We'd simply slowly put our hands together in the shape of a box during any situation.

Imagine the DM's surprise as hands slowly raised during a description of a wonderful inn full of entertainers barkeeps and busty servers...Someone would invariably yell "Black box!" and remove their character from the scene.

We'd threaten each other "don't make me describe my Black Box!"

Turning it into a humorous addition to our game lead sexuality to be a generally accepted topic amongst players.

Although personally I'm a straight guy "Black Boxing" made it easy for me to explore characters that had a different sexuality than I do.

Food for thought!

drengnikrafe
2009-11-17, 11:17 AM
With a brief description, it would seem to be a very large part of my games, but in reality it isn't.

In order to secretly discourage almost any actual roleplaying in that particular area, I simply have them roll a seduction check of their target, and given that they succeed allow them either a ride check, a constitution check, or a perform check to see how they did. Then I describe it in next to no detail ("You were pretty awesome"). It gives them all the fun of being told that it happened, with none of the weird description. And they're totally okay with it.

Lycan 01
2009-11-17, 11:41 AM
I fade to black. Its not a major issue, but it has come up at least twice in various games. I dunno how comfortable my players are with it, but I'm not comfortable with it. And if the DM ain't comfortable with it, that solves the problem quite effectively.


Although, I do kinda like the Black Box idea... :smallconfused:

Yukitsu
2009-11-17, 11:47 AM
You're all lucky. My DM downloaded the rules to FATAL when that sort of thing happened. :smallfrown:

FoE
2009-11-17, 11:52 AM
As a DM, I try to leave sex out of the game. I really don't want to be role-playing the inevitable stream of prostitutes and slutty barmaids that the players will be chasing. If the players persist, then they can also deal with the perils of a swingin' single life in a magical world: they pick up STDs, they get robbed blind or their companions turn out to doppelgangers, lamias, vampires, succubi, etc.

My luck doing that as a player is not always so good; once, when a king asked us what we wanted for a reward, my PC shouteed for "Whores!" after the monetary compensation had been worked out. But in fairness, I didn't ask the DM to roleplay it out, I just bragged to the other party members the next morning about the night I had. :smalltongue:

Roland St. Jude
2009-11-17, 11:58 AM
Sheriff of Moddingham: Please note, marking something "mature" has no effect on whether and how the Forum Rules apply. In general, this is a family-friendly forum with prohibitions on explicit sexuality.

The Tygre
2009-11-17, 12:13 PM
One of my characters is an Incubus.

I have access to both the Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and the Book of Erotic Fantasy.

We're not squeamish.

You do the math.

Mark Hall
2009-11-17, 12:23 PM
We joke about it, but I'm fairly sure it would make our DM horribly uncomfortable if I were to start flirting with him when he's proxying for a female NPC.

jiriku
2009-11-17, 12:25 PM
The Book of Erotic Fantasy, published by Valar Project, Inc, might be useful to you if you're concerned about this. It's a d20-compatible sourcebook that has a very mature (as in, not childish) approach to the subject of sex in D&D. It covers important topics like pregnancy, childbirth, and attitudes that NPCs of various alignments, races, and cultures might have about sex and marriage. It has rules for doing it to, but the structure of the book is such that you can easily scale how much or how little of it you want to include in your campaign. Thus, it freely supports "black-box" or "fade-to-black" if that's your preference.

valadil
2009-11-17, 12:26 PM
My $0.02:
It should be handled "Off stage". My group is mainly combat based, and it is much easier to handle combat when everyone is present and easier to handle role play (Especially role play that involves only a select few players) with the GM online (IRC or boards). We don't like detracting from our plot advancement with non-plot centric RP.

Even that should probably be kept R rated or less. I would not be comfortable role playing anything beyond that and if I were to, I would be even less comfortable with others reading it.

This is exactly what I came to say. My games are rated R. My players know this. There are X rated things that happen in the world, but we keep the camera away from those. If a player wants a protitute, the scene fades to black when he enters the brothel and fades in when he leaves, with syphilis.

Other GMs go PG-13 or lower.

MPAA ratings aside, my groups don't really do romance in gaming. We're all awkward nerds. Flirting isn't fun for us. Flirting with other awkward nerds is even worse. It makes us feel uncomfortable, so we don't do it. Other groups may roleplay like that, but it's not something I've ever found interesting.

Fluffles
2009-11-17, 12:36 PM
Some of my players were dead set on finding a brothel once. They regretted it 3 days later with 12 fort saves vs. different STDs :smallbiggrin:

Seatbelt
2009-11-17, 12:39 PM
We joke about it, but I'm fairly sure it would make our DM horribly uncomfortable if I were to start flirting with him when he's proxying for a female NPC.


I make sure to remind my players that, when they're flirting with an NPC ingame t hey're essentially flirting with me. If they're ok with that fine. But that usually stops quests for virtual booty calls.

dsmiles
2009-11-17, 12:43 PM
Awkward, but...certain things that we consider taboo in today's scoiety (and I am not advocating these things in any way, they are disgusting and wrong) were commonplace in the dark ages through the renaissance, and in ancient greek, roman and middle eastern societies. If you are running a historical campaign, be prepared to handle these things...I'm just sayin'.

Mark Hall
2009-11-17, 12:43 PM
I make sure to remind my players that, when they're flirting with an NPC ingame t hey're essentially flirting with me. If they're ok with that fine. But that usually stops quests for virtual booty calls.

Yeah... I've cuddled with a fellow player (my character was female, his was male) just to tweak out the DM (not Hzurr; this is about a decade ago).

I work very hard not to make my entire group way uncomfortable. Even then, I push boundaries a bit.

PaladinBoy
2009-11-17, 12:59 PM
I decided once, as a DM, to emphasize exactly what the villains were intending to do to the (female) NPC that the players were on a mission to rescue. They were quick enough that it never got past an R rating, but even so, they were uncomfortable enough that I'm never going to go even that far again. I did it for what I thought was a good reason - namely that I thought it was perfectly reasonable and "in character" for the villains to want to do that. Even assuming I was right, though (which may not be true), my players' negative reactions are a very good reason not to do it again, whether it's reasonable or not.

While I tend to be able to just unflinchingly look at just about anything like this (I like to put it as "nothing people do in bed (or elsewhere) surprises me anymore") I'd rather entertain fantasies of this type in the privacy of my own thoughts. So yeah, fade to black, generally. The only circumstance in which I would ever do it differently is with very good friends where we'd agreed beforehand about the nature of the game, and I'm not sure I've ever going to bother. I have better games than D+D for that.

Doc Roc
2009-11-17, 01:01 PM
It's never come up. My players are too busy trying not to die.

Deth Muncher
2009-11-17, 01:07 PM
Some time, someone, somewhere said to themselves "You know I really want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."

Personally I would actually be ok with that in a game, assuming the other players didn't mind and you RPed the situation well. However, given the wide variety of other offenses that occur around me in D&D that's not all that surprising. Regardless though, it really does come down to player interests.

Because I don't think anyone congratulated you, gratz on the Carlin reference. Best time of my life was seeing him live in concert a few years ago.
/derail

ON TOPIC, I actually had this exact same thread a few months ago, which a quick search might turn up. The issue is, as has been said, maturity. If people go "Teehee, boobies," then you probably shouldn't. It could, however, be used as a handy bit of diplomacy between the party and NPCs if used right (see: Firefly). It just depends on how mature the group is.

IonDragon
2009-11-17, 01:10 PM
It could, however, be used as a handy bit of diplomacy between the party and NPCs if used right (see: Firefly). It just depends on how mature the group is.

Firefly also used the "fade to black" tactic, and didn't even hit PG-13. It just happened to be a recurring theme.

Asbestos
2009-11-17, 02:25 PM
It's never come up. My players are too busy trying not to die.

As it should be :smallbiggrin:

I've used BoEF to help flesh out certain cultures in my games, but beyond some fluff I see very little value in that book and the 'art' is laughable. I can't imagine owning a dead tree copy of that thing. Same goes for it's lesser known cousin, Nymphology, but that has some absolutely ridiculous spells in it that can be fun to embarass PCs with.

Shademan
2009-11-17, 03:43 PM
As it should be :smallbiggrin:

I've used BoEF to help flesh out certain cultures in my games, but beyond some fluff I see very little value in that book and the 'art' is laughable. I can't imagine owning a dead tree copy of that thing. Same goes for it's lesser known cousin, Nymphology, but that has some absolutely ridiculous spells in it that can be fun to embarass PCs with.

you kiddin' me? blue mages are awesome and said spells can be used in combat for DEVESTATING effect.

Chrono22
2009-11-17, 03:46 PM
I make it clear it can happen, but no specific details are wanted.

Unless it's a special comedic circumstance, such as a paladin seducing a succubus.

Solaris
2009-11-17, 04:05 PM
We joke about it, but I'm fairly sure it would make our DM horribly uncomfortable if I were to start flirting with him when he's proxying for a female NPC.

Agreed. I'll run female NPCs, but I if my players start flirting with them I shoot that down hard. If you're lookin' for some nookie, D&D is not the place to start.
I'm just sayin'.

The Tygre
2009-11-17, 04:09 PM
you kiddin' me? blue mages are awesome and said spells can be used in combat for DEVESTATING effect.

One of my PC's characters, a Halfling, has a pair of Balls of Voyeurism. There's a certain older cleric of St. Cuthbert NPC that he's been waiting to use them on. As to where he got them... Look, we're talking about a party of PCs who are like Indians when it comes to killing a dragon. They use, sell, or horde every part of the body. -Every- part.

Shademan
2009-11-17, 04:19 PM
hmm... "ye olde avbenturing party KEBAB WAGON!"
"we got some dragonmeat today! the softest parts made for the bestest kebabs!"
...damn i wanna play a Gnome or halfling (or even dwarf) chef now....

Ormur
2009-11-17, 04:24 PM
I'd prefer keeping it to jokes and innuendos where I'd be comfortable with almost everything implied (affectionate druids and all) but I'd prefer not to roleplay anything actually happening or going into detailed descriptions. I don't think the people I play with have much interest in it either but I'm probably more squeamish than most of them. So fade to black would be my response if it went so far.

But I'll never let my players enter a brothel after reading a play-by-post game with evil PC's that went for a visit and ended up slaughtering everyone. It was bad enough without detailed descriptions of sexual acts.

dhampir984
2009-11-17, 04:26 PM
How do you guys deal with sexuality in your games?

My group has been running 1 campaign for almost 5 years now. We're adult aged and most are either married or know their birds and bees.

Sexuality comes up frequently enough, but unless a PC does something in that topic, I as the DM leave it alone. I let my players actions determine how deep into the situation it goes. And I include consequences for it too. It's like if they want that much realism in their gaming, I'll make sure it's there.

When it does head down that road, I let the player lead into exactly how far they want to go. While I'd rather not end up with hardcore, I get the some flavor and amusement out of it and let the rest stew in their own brains.

Lioness
2009-11-17, 04:31 PM
Innuendos come up frequently - we are a bunch of 17 year old guys and one girl.

However, anything more than that is kept to a minimum. At the beginning of the game, the DM asked us whether we wanted to include more MA rated stuff, or if we minded that it got a bit sexual. We all said we didn't mind at all.

Now, we're apparently coming up to a place full of succubi, and our cleric took flaw: easily distracted.
Hehehehe

I'm pretty sure the DM will do a 'fade to black' and then a 'You don't wake up in the morning, because she killed you' sort of thing.

Mando Knight
2009-11-17, 04:32 PM
either married or know their birds and bees.

They're not mutually exclusive, y'know. Me and my siblings should be proof enough of that... :smallwink:

Now, we're apparently coming up to a place full of succubi, and our cleric took flaw: easily distracted.
Hehehehe
He shoulda taken a vow of celibacy. Now he's going to get the raw end of the deal twice.

Deth Muncher
2009-11-17, 04:34 PM
Firefly also used the "fade to black" tactic, and didn't even hit PG-13. It just happened to be a recurring theme.

Also point. And that worked remarkably well.

Lioness
2009-11-17, 04:55 PM
He shoulda taken a vow of celibacy. Now he's going to get the raw end of the deal twice.

He's too...desperate in real life to take a vow of celibacy. It goes against his nature.

TheThan
2009-11-17, 04:55 PM
Yeah, we’ve got the horniest Dwarven cleric you’ve ever seen. Fortunately he hasn’t been able to find anything to well… do. the whole thing is done in a bit of a joking manner so its not that bad. Though he did scare off our bard for a session or two.

Mark Hall
2009-11-17, 04:59 PM
Of course, I just remembered that our Wizard is currently shagging the priestess of a temple of Ioun...

jmbrown
2009-11-17, 05:10 PM
Who has time for sex? There are goblins to slay, treasures to horde, and gods to challenge.

Yukitsu
2009-11-17, 05:11 PM
I tend to play high charisma male characters, who tend to get dragged off by female characters of various sorts. The most traumatic in character was my strength drained wizard that nearly got kidnapped by a hag. The most nerve wracking was my paladin getting dragged off by a drow priestess.

Most traumatic OOC was the book they used. :smallsigh:

jmbrown
2009-11-17, 05:25 PM
I tend to play high charisma male characters, who tend to get dragged off by female characters of various sorts. The most traumatic in character was my strength drained wizard that nearly got kidnapped by a hag. The most nerve wracking was my paladin getting dragged off by a drow priestess.

Most traumatic OOC was the book they used. :smallsigh:

This actually happened to an old character of mine that was dominated by a coven of hags. It ended up being a near TPK with the other party members animated as zombies and my dominated character being a sex slave until he was rescued.

I was 100% fine with it. Gave my character motivation to mercliessly slaughter the hags when a new party stumbled upon him and as a player I learned never to trust incredibly hot woman who hang out in threes.

Giggling Ghast
2009-11-17, 05:26 PM
"You may be a group of unsightly men sitting around a card table on a Friday night, but your players will still be looking for chances to meet girls." :smallbiggrin:


as a player I learned never to trust incredibly hot women who hang out in threes.

Truly a lesson for us all.

Mark Hall
2009-11-17, 05:30 PM
Who has time for sex? There are goblins to slay, treasures to horde, and gods to challenge.

"When the monsters are slain, and you've solved all the lores,
then it's time for ale and whores."

Mando Knight
2009-11-17, 05:43 PM
"When the monsters are slain, and you've solved all the lores,
then it's time for ale and whores."

Mark Hall! What is best in life?

Pharaoh's Fist
2009-11-17, 05:49 PM
The open steppe, a fleet horse, your falcon at your wrist, and the wind in your hair, of course.

Sstoopidtallkid
2009-11-17, 05:50 PM
The open steppe, a fleet horse, your falcon at your wrist, and the wind in your hair, of course.NO!

MARK HALL! What is best in life!

FoE
2009-11-17, 05:51 PM
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women!

I know you guys wanted Mark Hall to answer, but ... well, do you want to live forever?


The open steppe, a fleet horse, your falcon at your wrist, and the wind in your hair, of course.

Some D&D player you are. Go back to juggling apples!

BloodyAngel
2009-11-17, 06:11 PM
Sex in games comes down to your group. Some groups can handle it maturely... some groups will use it to sprinkle humor into their game... some groups will be too distracted by it to play the game at all... and some won't want to touch it. You just need to know your own group, and a good rule of thumb is if you're not sure that they'll be able to handle it properly, don't include it.

My current group is a mix of the first and second. Sex isn't overlooked, though it's not the focus of the game... more something that happens incidentally in the background. The darkest of the games I'm in literally involves an elven civil war between dark and high elves... and the dark elves are complete monsters who kill, enslave, torture and violate captive high elves of both genders. One of the main characters (mine, in fact) was a captive of theirs for a time, and dealing with the abuses she suffered has been a major part of her character... It's done in the manner of a drama, and it makes for a pretty powerful story. However, the game is run by my fiance... for me and a very close and mature friend of ours that we've known for years. (Whom I actually used to date. Long story) I wouldn't suggest it for everyone.

For most groups some harmless flirting and "fading to black" is probably as far as it will ever go. Even my fiance and I stick to that most of the time. Add more at your own risk.

Volkov
2009-11-17, 06:29 PM
This actually happened to an old character of mine that was dominated by a coven of hags. It ended up being a near TPK with the other party members animated as zombies and my dominated character being a sex slave until he was rescued.

I was 100% fine with it. Gave my character motivation to mercliessly slaughter the hags when a new party stumbled upon him and as a player I learned never to trust incredibly hot woman who hang out in threes.

Hags? Couldn't you have been dominated by something mildly attractive?

cupkeyk
2009-11-17, 06:37 PM
WAAAAY back in Highschool we played a 2e game where the DM would sometimes have plot puzzles that simply flew over our heads. The barb and my enchantress would resolve the narrative dead end by having sex anywhere we'd be stumped. We'd been sentenced to be hanged at sundown. SEX! A statue with six arms is awaiting gifts on each hand? SEX! You have been swollowed by a whale. SEX! At one point I demanded that the barbarian be forced to make a bend bars/lift gates check every round because we trying this new position we saw in a porn flick. I think it was called a tornado.

We've matured since then but not by much.

The Tygre
2009-11-17, 07:15 PM
Who has time for sex? There are goblins to slay, treasures to horde, and gods to challenge.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/195/7/4/Commision__Conan_vs_DCU_colour_by_sean_izaakse.jpg

This beast right here makes a day-job of juggling all four.


The open steppe, a fleet horse, your falcon at your wrist, and the wind in your hair, of course.

I see I'm not the only one here who has Quintessential Barbarian...

jmbrown
2009-11-17, 07:18 PM
Hags? Couldn't you have been dominated by something mildly attractive?

They used Veil to disguise themselves as scantily clad astral devas presenting our party with fabulous prizes for our good deeds that in turn were actually used to track us down while we were sleeping. My character had the highest charisma so they forcecaged me and the party wizard together while a sorceress they recruited dominated me. Next round they cursed the wizard and he failed to cast dimension door before being critted by my dominated guy in a single hit. They then forcecaged the rest of the party while hill giants closed in for the slaughter.

From then on, I learned to hate the hag covey considering you can encounter one, reasonably, as a CR 5-7 challenge. We were 9th level going up against green hags and a few hill giants but those 6-8th level spells coveys get are brutal. Just another reason why I hate 3.5's CR system when it comes to spell-like abilities.

Yukitsu
2009-11-17, 07:25 PM
You're lucky. I just got my strength knocked down enough that I couldn't move. I didn't even get to think I was lucky before that moment of horror.

Come to think of it, it's a recurring theme that my male characters be very nearly, or actually molested by something, whereas my female characters are always randomly (and when I say randomly, I mean I see the DM rolling on the encounter tables) attacked by something with tentacles.

Volkov
2009-11-17, 07:28 PM
They used Veil to disguise themselves as scantily clad astral devas presenting our party with fabulous prizes for our good deeds that in turn were actually used to track us down while we were sleeping. My character had the highest charisma so they forcecaged me and the party wizard together while a sorceress they recruited dominated me. Next round they cursed the wizard and he failed to cast dimension door before being critted by my dominated guy in a single hit. They then forcecaged the rest of the party while hill giants closed in for the slaughter.

From then on, I learned to hate the hag covey considering you can encounter one, reasonably, as a CR 5-7 challenge. We were 9th level going up against green hags and a few hill giants but those 6-8th level spells coveys get are brutal. Just another reason why I hate 3.5's CR system when it comes to spell-like abilities.
Please tell me they kept their attractive forms while using you, because otherwise I'd get a really, really bad image stuck in my head.

Temet Nosce
2009-11-17, 07:35 PM
It worked for Ryo Mizuno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_of_Lodoss_War)...

Huh, I may actually give that a watch. Even though I'd heard the name mentioned on a couple occasions (I think I actually played a translated version of the SNES game, though I'm unsure) I was unaware of that.


That's a story right there! I know it! LOL


A story? No, actually there's several books right there. None of which I can post here, but lets say my DM reactions varied pretty heavily. I once managed to drive my entire party and DM to complete shocked silence for a full minute, just with the introduction to my character (although those people were crazy, the DM agreed to run another evil game just for me a few months after we finished that one and all the players came back). I miss those days (group split up due to real life sadly).


Because I don't think anyone congratulated you, gratz on the Carlin reference. Best time of my life was seeing him live in concert a few years ago.
/derail

I envy you, never did do that. I wish I had now.

jmbrown
2009-11-17, 08:03 PM
Please tell me they kept their attractive forms while using you, because otherwise I'd get a really, really bad image stuck in my head.

Nope. Why would they? I was dominated. Yeah, just another reason piled on why I hate hags. Their new 4E art makes them look even more atrocious than all previous editions. I've been thinking about introducing Baba Yaga and her chicken legged house in my current play group.


Come to think of it, it's a recurring theme that my male characters be very nearly, or actually molested by something, whereas my female characters are always randomly (and when I say randomly, I mean I see the DM rolling on the encounter tables) attacked by something with tentacles.

My one and only female character ever was killed by a chaos beast :D

Never again.

Mando Knight
2009-11-17, 08:08 PM
whereas my female characters are always randomly (and when I say randomly, I mean I see the DM rolling on the encounter tables) attacked by something with tentacles.

You're sure the random encounter tables your DM uses aren't stacked towards tentacle-y things?

Yukitsu
2009-11-17, 08:10 PM
It's a d1000 chart, and at that CR, it had mind flayers, and one animal of some sort. :smallfrown:

The other one, it was a scripted plot device meant to kill another player, who by chance didn't go near the blasted thing.

Another one was because we made the mistake of going on a boat. The fact that it randomly reached up on deck and gnabbed me on a .5% chance or so, given the dice used, pretty much just confirmed everyone's suspicions that I'm cursed.

Other fun facts are that when we roll for encounters, if I'm on an airplane, it's 100% guaranteed the DM will roll a 1.

Volkov
2009-11-17, 08:13 PM
Nope. Why would they? I was dominated. Yeah, just another reason piled on why I hate hags. Their new 4E art makes them look even more atrocious than all previous editions. I've been thinking about introducing Baba Yaga and her chicken legged house in my current play group.



My one and only female character ever was killed by a chaos beast :D

Never again.

Oh....Dear....Gods.....Make....The....Image....get .....out....of....my.....head.........ewwwwwwwww.. ..

Mark Hall
2009-11-17, 08:15 PM
I know you guys wanted Mark Hall to answer, but ... well, do you want to live forever?


I was driving home from work. I stand by my decision. ;-)

Kurald Galain
2009-11-17, 08:18 PM
I know you guys wanted Mark Hall to answer, but ... well, do you want to live forever?

Well, yes.

Or do you expect me to start quoting Queen now?

Inhuman Bot
2009-11-17, 08:22 PM
You're all lucky. My DM downloaded the rules to FATAL when that sort of thing happened. :smallfrown:

I only needed to see this.

You poor, doomed bastard.

As for myself, I don't actually have that much that squicks me out if it's merely said (Thanks Hellmoo! I needed another reason to quit you after a day and a half.), but yeah, we just "fade to black" as well. Noone wants to watch a porn movie every day (well, that I know, at least), so roleplaying it every few days is also a "no."

Green Bean
2009-11-17, 08:29 PM
The games I've played in generally tend to be roughly OotS/network sitcom level. There'll be sexual references and flirting, but the actual act will generally be offscreen.

Grumman
2009-11-17, 08:37 PM
Every character I've played to date has been effectively asexual. A few of my players enjoy making jokes about this sort of thing, but that's as far as it has gone.

My one and only female character ever was killed by a chaos beast :D

Never again.
See, that's why my female characters wield polearms.

Sstoopidtallkid
2009-11-17, 08:42 PM
Depends on the group. I've had ones where the subject wasn't touched with a 10' pole, others where it was an accepted part of life.

One of my friends once ran an LG Fighter who, for various reasons, ended up having to sleep with something different each week. The majority of the time it wasn't that the encounter was aimed at him, he was just the most awesome thing ever, so the NPC ended up going after him. The player was amused.

Volkov
2009-11-17, 09:18 PM
Oh....Dear....Gods.....Make....The....Image....get .....out....of....my.....head.........ewwwwwwwww.. ..
WHY!!! Why does soaking my brain in hydrochloric acid not clear my mind of the awful image of hags having sex!

Grommen
2009-11-17, 09:59 PM
Hyrm. So me playing the local Harlot is a rarity eh? Eh well, my friends are sexist pigs anyway, so I was just playing into their stereotype. Besides were old buggers and have been friends for eons, so pretty much anything goes as long as it does not get too wired, and were having fun. When we get a new person in the group...Well hopefully they don't get too offended and leave. I mean if you can't try out your bad pickup lines on your group who are you gonna try them on?

Only time we have to tone it down is when we are playing at our local gaming store. They have customers wander by from time to time.

Sir Homeslice
2009-11-18, 12:14 AM
For my group, we treat it as pretty much another topic to occasionally talk about and well, joke about. We don't really care much about it as long as nobody gets creepy with it.

Morchana
2009-11-18, 03:36 AM
Well, currently I am playing a seductress-type assassin, so it comes up, but mainly in the secret notecards passed between me and the DM. Also, it is really more of an allusion and fade-to-black kind of thing. Otherwise, (in game) it makes the paladin really uncomfortable. Out of game he nearly falls over laughing. And I'm supposed to be secretive about things anyway, so it works pretty well.

For a while though, there were entirely too many jokes about my huge charisma scores, out of game. I got mad and made them stop-- CHARISMA IS MORE THAN THAT!!! :smallbiggrin:

Shademan
2009-11-18, 03:43 AM
WHY!!! Why does soaking my brain in hydrochloric acid not clear my mind of the awful image of hags having sex!

By the celebacy of Tesla...NOW IT'S IN MY HEAD TOO!
AAAARGH! NOT SEXY!


anyways: In my group back in my country we had a healthy dose of wenchin' and innuendos. The two of us that dm'd liked to be realistic about most things so brothels, abuse and implied rape(not of the characters mind. sure some villains said they were gonna do nasty things to your butt but the players usually escaped or killed them rather quickly after that.) was not uncommon. And offcourse, we jokec IC about druids being a wee bit TO close to their animals, guys with greatswords compensating and tentacle beasts were usually fought at a distance. with FIRE!

Also: BEST IN LIFE?
...soft lavatory paper.

The Tygre
2009-11-18, 09:40 AM
WHY!!! Why does soaking my brain in hydrochloric acid not clear my mind of the awful image of hags having sex!

I don't know... Older women, might know some tricks, show you things the average bar-maid can't. Plus, that's an automatic foursome right there. And according to 4e, Hags are a just a stone's throw away from Nymphs on the fey tree, and we all know Nymphs are absolute -freaks- in the sack.

dsmiles
2009-11-18, 09:49 AM
This actually happened to an old character of mine that was dominated by a coven of hags. It ended up being a near TPK with the other party members animated as zombies and my dominated character being a sex slave until he was rescued.

I was 100% fine with it. Gave my character motivation to mercliessly slaughter the hags when a new party stumbled upon him and as a player I learned never to trust incredibly hot woman who hang out in threes.

Do I hear a Green Day song playing in the background?

dhampir984
2009-11-18, 05:34 PM
They're not mutually exclusive, y'know. Me and my siblings should be proof enough of that... :smallwink:

Well, in our group it seems to be. You're either married or you're not but you know what's what. Some of us have not pried into that bit of RL for a reason.