Metal Thread III: For Heavy Metal We Will Die

[Nameless]

Metal Thread
III
For Heavy Metal We Will Die

Salutations! I bring good tidings. For today is the day we celebrate a new era of Metal. Yes, it is the third age for us Metal Head Playgrounders. Many thought it just a myth, a fable, a legend! That somehow a group a D&D nerds would be unable to hold on to the Metal ways. LIES! SLANDER I SAY! For nerdy fantasy references in fact used in many of the silly unnecessary Metal sub-genres! But it is that which keeps metal alive! Yes, the amount of ridicules sub-genres relate to all the ways metal can be used. It shows us that Metal is the music of true humanity, our true emotions. for it is the music of our very soul!

And pudding.

So let us raise our horns into the air, shake our heads furiously and chant along to our National Anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UGFLT0VMY)!
... Or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ift85e38H3M) one! Whichever one your prefer...

Previous Threads:
Metal Thread II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112038)

Now let the discussion... COMMENCE!

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[Killer Angel]

HERE I AM!

...'cause everyone of us has heard the call! :smallcool:

[Nameless]

Right, I think my post was a little over the top. x3

[Whoracle]

OK, I'll open this up with my concert reviews from last week.

Paradise Lost w/ Samael, Ghost Brigade
Imagine the following scenario: You've got tickets for a concert that say
"Doors: 7 PM / Begin: 8 PM / End: 12 PM"
You don't care for the opener (Ghost Brigade), so you go grab some dinner with friends and show up at the venue at 8.25 PM. In this case, would you expect the second band of the evening to be halfway through with their set already?
Well, neither did I, but that's what happened. The concert started half an hour early, we completely missed Ghost brigade and half of Samaels (butchered due to sound issues) set. And from what we've seen, Samael would've kicked ass.
Well, Paradise Lost had sourted the sound issues out, but they plainly weren't having fun up there. No stage acting, except for the one guitarist, and they finished after 75 minutes including two encores. All in all rather dissapointing.

Sonata Arctica w/ Delain, Winterborn
The Girlfriend won us tickets for this one (I knew I kept her around for some reason :smallbiggrin:). Winterborn were pretty "meh", moderate stage acting, crowd was reserved. Delain suffered from horrible vocal sound with way too much delay and reverb in the voice, so you weren't able to understand what she sung. Also, Nightwish called and requested that they return their songs after they'd stripped them of the parts ripped off Xandria and Within Temptation.
Sonata Arctica were a blast, though. Good acting, the crowd was awesome, the setlist OK. I don't like their newer material, but they managed to balance old vs rather nicely. After a fulminant Outro I went home happy.

Next Up:
The Black Dahlia Murder w/ Obscura
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter w/ Equilibrium
Six Feet Under w/ "can't remember right now"

Also: New Hypocrisy still rocks, and Summer breeze 2010 will finally supply me with Hypo and Dark Tranquillity live. :smallbiggrin:

Edit: Damn. So much for "opening this thread up properly"...

[Dragor]

You know, I generally hate Manowar, but Die For Metal always grabs me.

Louder than hell.
LOUDER THAN HELL.
LOUDER THAN HEEEEEEEELLLLLLL!
:smallbiggrin:

[Nameless]

I'm currently headbanging to Bodom alone in my room. Alone though, I has no headbanging mates.

Just thought I'd let you know.

Yes.

:smalltongue:

[Spiryt]

It's best to play Bodom loud on your small speakers, so it can be heard on the whole level of dormitory, and then go to the WC and pee to the rhythm.

My friend checked it out so far, but had to check it too.

Yes.

:smalltongue:

:smalltongue:

[Nameless]

It's best to play Bodom loud on your small speakers, so it can be heard on the whole level of dormitory, and then go to the WC and pee to the rhythm.

My friend checked it out so far, but had to check it too.

Yes.

:smalltongue:

:smalltongue:

I need to find the world's best Headbanging song. Isit possible to choose just one? :smalltongue:

[Spiryt]

I need to find the world's best Headbanging song. Isit possible to choose just one? :smalltongue:

No.

I don't think so.

[Hannes]

What are these 'anthems' you speak of? Behold, the only true anthem! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-_40BFS2IM)

This is one of my favourite headbanging songs. Too bad I've only headbanged to it alone, in my room : (

[Spiryt]

Thoze riffs are pure Headbang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjgpTis0Vo)

[Hannes]

Death metal usually has me going "meh". I don't know why.

[Spiryt]

I'm not huge fan too, but some Decapitated riffs just stomp everything.

[littlebottom]

just back from a dragonforce concert, was actually alot better than most people said it was going to be, my ears are still ringing 2 hours after the shows finished, my neck now suffers from baaaad whiplash, i faught someone for a pick, and won, i got soaked through several times and my throat is killing me, all in all, a good night out, the supporting acts were quite good too, the first one wasnt that good though. glamour of the kill. a bit... meh... the sencond one i cant remember the name of right now, they were quite good, and then sabaton started a few mosh pits, then dragon force came on and trounced everything by playing epicly, and managing to play each others guitars at the same time somehow...

[SurlySeraph]

Yeah, I've been told that Dragonforce does much better live shows than they used to. I'm glad to hear it's true.


I need to find the world's best Headbanging song. Isit possible to choose just one? :smalltongue:

There's no one; it differs for every person. Mine, for example, is Davidian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHG-7QkY_yE).

[Decoy Lockbox]

I remember listening to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKqpiFfs-kI) in the gym and I started uncontrollable headbanging. I don't normally do that.

The latest Dio-related news. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8380305.stm) When they mentioned "Mrs. Dio" in the article, it sounded almost like "Mrs. Santa" to me.

Looks like the new thread started while I asleep (I stayed up until 8AM playing dragon age). I was going to use this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl64-xfewrk&feature=related) to kick off the thread. I really loved that Turisas video though, their fanbase looks pretty devoted!

[Killer Angel]

There's no one; it differs for every person. Mine, for example, is Davidian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHG-7QkY_yE).

QFT. probably, this is mine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67bTpVQfB6U&feature=related).

PS: thanks for remembering me MH. Love that album.

[Mythestopheles]

Ah, that new thread smell!

When I first started listening to metal I didn't like death and black metal, seems that has changed. So any one got any recommendations to get me started in these subgenres?

Yes, you guys were right about death and black being aquired tastes.

[Myatar_Panwar]

I need to find the world's best Headbanging song. Isit possible to choose just one? :smalltongue:

Probably not. Though this is what I would pick as of right now. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXjgcui4nrE)

[SurlySeraph]

Ah, that new thread smell!

When I first started listening to metal I didn't like death and black metal, seems that has changed. So any one got any recommendations to get me started in these subgenres?

Yes, you guys were right about death and black being aquired tastes.

I don't like black metal, but here are a few great death metal bands:
Amon Amarth (they really, really like Vikings)
Morbid Angel (classic, straightforward death metal)
Celtic Frost
Death (basically the founders of death metal; I like their last two albums best, but opinions vary).
Bolt Thrower (military-oriented, and clearly play way too much Warhammer)

[zeratul]

I don't like black metal, but here are a few great death metal bands:
Amon Amarth (they really, really like Vikings)
Morbid Angel (classic, straightforward death metal)
Celtic Frost
Death (basically the founders of death metal; I like their last two albums best, but opinions vary).
Bolt Thrower (military-oriented, and clearly play way too much Warhammer)

Celtic Frost isn't death metal, they're first wave black metal along with Bathory, Hellhammer, and Venom.


Ah, that new thread smell!

When I first started listening to metal I didn't like death and black metal, seems that has changed. So any one got any recommendations to get me started in these subgenres?

Yes, you guys were right about death and black being aquired tastes.

For black metal I'd Reccomend

Born in a Burial Gown ~ Cradle of Filth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP2POE4Udhg)
Inno A Satana ~Emperor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJo9kE4kTdU)
Fuel For Hatred ~ Satyricon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTGraq5eT60)
Pitch Black ~ Vreid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DykjMRgjZnU)
Too Old Too Cold ~ Darkthrone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A0tkMhQMwg)
The Serpentine Offering ~ Dimmu Borgir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAmMcBQavKE)
Where Dead Angels Lie ~ Dissection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q78Teqr2T6E)

[SurlySeraph]

Oh? Guess there's some black metal I don't hate, then.

[Decoy Lockbox]

Oh? Guess there's some black metal I don't hate, then.

The thing to remember is that "first wave" bands are more black metal by thematics than style. For example, Mercyful Fate are often referred to as a first wave band, but sound nothing like what is commonly known as black metal today.


Ah, that new thread smell!

When I first started listening to metal I didn't like death and black metal, seems that has changed. So any one got any recommendations to get me started in these subgenres?

Yes, you guys were right about death and black being aquired tastes.

Good to see you've come around! I'm too lazy to dig up some new stuff right now, so I'd just check out the stuff in my sig. Also, Behemoth's new album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKWp_4358VE) is pretty cool. I've been listening to these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXitJKFg4ik) recently too, you might like 'em.

Just for curiosities sake, what made you start liking black/death?

[Mythestopheles]

Good to see you've come around! I'm too lazy to dig up some new stuff right now, so I'd just check out the stuff in my sig. Also, Behemoth's new album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKWp_4358VE) is pretty cool. I've been listening to these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXitJKFg4ik) recently too, you might like 'em.

Just for curiosities sake, what made you start liking black/death?

I've been checking out music you guys link to, and well listening to many bands on metalstorm. Just recently I noticed that the growls don't bother me and I even like them! I guess it's that I wasn't used to that stuff before.

[zeratul]

I've been checking out music you guys like to, and well listening to many bands on metalstorm. Just recently I noticed that the growls don't bother me and I even like them! I guess it's that I wasn't used to that stuff before.

Yeah the growls are definitely an acquired taste. At first I hated Cradle of Filth because of the growling, now their vocalist is one of my favourite vocalists and their one of my favourite metal bands. I think it might be a matter of finding like one song or one band with growls that you like and using that as a form of exposure, then it like allows you to get into other growly bands.

[Nameless]

I just got back from the most br00t4l gig ever.

Lily Allen.

\m/

[derfos]

My contribution to the Metal National Anthems (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD2_8peLKUQ)

I also would like to promote what I think was the best album (with the worst name) of November: Swallow the Sun's New Moon - A death/black/doom masterpiece.

[Mythestopheles]

Thank you for sugesting bands SurlySeraph, zeratul and Decoy Lockbox. So over the weekend, I listened to the aformentioned music (Including those in Decoy’s sig). Turns out I especially like Melodic Death Metal.
Partially because of this I’ve started listening to Eluvietie (”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o”), a Swiss band which is a mix of Melodic Death Metal and Folk Metal.

[derfos]

Oooh, I got some Melodeath (Melodic Death Metal) bands to add to your list (I got initiated into extreme metal through Amon Amarth):

Gothenburg (subgenre of melodic death metal from Gothenburg, Swe)
At the Gates
Dark Tranquility
In Flames
Soilwork

Those are pretty much the big 4. The problem is that Soilwork and In Flames are no longer Melodeath (arguably Soilwork never was), so be careful which songs you listen to or you might be disappointed. I recommend 2 albums specifically: Dark Tranquility's "Skydancer" and In Flames' "Whoracle" (many would say that Jester Race is another essential album but I prefer Whoracle).

Other European Melodeath
Amon Amarth (which you already know)
Kalmah
Hypocrisy (watch out for their strange middle era)
Amorphis (part doom, part Melodeath, part prog...)

I won't recommend specific albums, since for these bands there is less of a consensus as to which albums are the best. I'll just say pick up an album and you're pretty much guaranteed to enjoy it (except maybe Hypocrisy's crazy period, avoid that).

Death/Doom (often ends up sounding like slowed down Melodeath)
Swallow the Sun
Katatonia
Rapture
British Death/Doom (Anathema, Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride)
Ahab

Ahab is funeral doom, which means REALLY slow and crushing Death/Doom. Listen to some of the other bands before you try them out. My recommendation album-wise is Katatonia's "Brave Murder Day" and Swallow the Sun's "New Moon".

Other notable Bands (not full-on Melodeath but definitely Melodeath inspired)
Wintersun (Folk/Black/Death/Awesome)
Arsis (Melodic + technical death metal)
Quo Vadis (a different twist on the melodic + technical death metal thing)

Recommended: Wintersun's self-titled, Arsis' "A Celebration of Guilt" and Quo Vadis' "Defiant Imagination".

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This list will probably last you for a while, so I'll stop there. Please get back to us with other bands you've enjoyed and we will make sure the list keeps growing.

Fellow metalheads of the forum, please feel free to comment on and add to my list when you feel it appropriate (I won't take offense if you don't like some, or all, of my choices)

EDIT: Just realized that some of the bands I mentioned are in Decoy Lockbox's signature's list (which by the way is awesome). Still, I focus more on albums than individual songs, so I won't remove the bands.

[DraPrime]

So I calculated that by the end of May, I'll have over 20 band shirts.

Hell yes...

[Fiendish_Dire_Moose]

So let us raise our horns into the air, shake our heads furiously and chant along to our National Anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UGFLT0VMY)!
... Or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ift85e38H3M) one! Whichever one your prefer...


If the metalheads here have an anthem can it atleast be a good song? Like Painkiller?

[VeisuItaTyhjyys]

I've never really liked melodeath. Death metal just sounds better the more atonal and dissonant it is.

On a note of overlap, anyone else <3 crust punk?

[Fiendish_Dire_Moose]

For black metal I'd Reccomend

Born in a Burial Gown ~ Cradle of Filth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP2POE4Udhg)

Always has to be Summer Dying Fast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikeNuLStUzs) if it's a reccomendation of a shorty.

[DraPrime]

If the metalheads here have an anthem can it atleast be a good song? Like Painkiller?

Firstly, Die For Metal is good.

Second of all, it's more in the lyrics. The song is a tribute to metal. Painkiller is a tribute to a cool guy on the most metal motorcycle you've ever seen. Different things.

[Decoy Lockbox]

So I calculated that by the end of May, I'll have over 20 band shirts.

Hell yes...

Which ones do you have? I think I have about 10 atm.


If the metalheads here have an anthem can it atleast be a good song? Like Painkiller?

I've always thought Judas Priest -- "Rock Hard, Ride Free" sounded very anthemy. I get the urge to stand up and put my hand over my heart during the intro riffs.


I've never really liked melodeath. Death metal just sounds better the more atonal and dissonant it is.

On a note of overlap, anyone else <3 crust punk?

I agree, I can't really get into melodeath. Arch Enemy's most recent album is pretty fun listen though. I can't deal with death metal that is too crazy (I never got into Gorguts, for example), but I like it pretty harsh and chunky. In terms of crust, the only bands I've heard are Amebix and Doom. Given how different those two sound, I'm guessing either a) crust is a big sub-subgenre, or b) one of those two bands isn't really crust.

This is unrelated, but I'd like to give big props to Faulty for getting me to listen to Tiamat's "Wildhoney". Its a fantastic album (and the album art is great to). Highly recommended.

[toasty]

Which ones do you have? I think I have about 10 atm.

Regarding Band Shirts one of my friends has a Megadeath shirt and, being a Burmese who doesn't know much of American Culture, the guy has no idea who is on the front of it (Dave Mustaine) or what Megadeath even is. :smalltongue:

The funny thing is he wears it to Church and I know for a fact that if everyone at Church knew what Megadeath was (thank God I live in a metal deprived country sometimes) he'd never wear it there.

But anyways... I'd ask for it if I actually liked Thrash, but I don't so I'll let him keep it and smile every time I see him wearing it. :smallcool:

[Decoy Lockbox]

Regarding Band Shirts one of my friends has a Megadeath shirt and, being a Burmese who doesn't know much of American Culture, the guy has no idea who is on the front of it (Dave Mustaine) or what Megadeath even is. :smalltongue:

The funny thing is he wears it to Church and I know for a fact that if everyone at Church knew what Megadeath was (thank God I live in a metal deprived country sometimes) he'd never wear it there.

But anyways... I'd ask for it if I actually liked Thrash, but I don't so I'll let him keep it and smile every time I see him wearing it. :smallcool:

I dunno, isn't Dave Mustaine a born-again Christian?

[SurlySeraph]

As of a couple years ago, yes.

[Nameless]

If the metalheads here have an anthem can it atleast be a good song? Like Painkiller?

Dude, this is ManOWar. Those guys are like, Metal-incarnate.
They sing about Vikings, war, and Metal... Whether you like them or not, if any band should have Metal anthems, it's them.

[Rescindment]

Yeah. Out of all the metal out there, if I had to choose an "Anthem" for us all, it'd have to be either Die for Metal or The Gods Made Heavy Metal. Then again, it depends on the sort of metal we're talking. If we're talking metal in general, then those two - but for screamo metal (I coin the word screamo loosely to refer to anything with screaming in it) I'd probably have to say either Arch Enemy - Nemesis or Slipknot - Pulse of the Maggots. Both of those songs fire my blood.

In other news, thought i'd contribute here by showing off my own band (I'm the vocalist, please excuse how awful my vocals sound on the recordings, this may sound so clichéd but it does sound much better live :P): http://www.myspace.com/anavarofficial
Currently the recording quality is.. less than desirable, the only one I'd really reccomend at the minute is Broken Mind (The end of that song may surprise you.) and possibly Gone to the Wolves. Soon enough, into 2010 we'll be recording 2-3 songs professionally though, which'll be a marked improvement! We might be recording a song or two this coming Saturday too, although, again, the quality will be... meh.

[toasty]

I dunno, isn't Dave Mustaine a born-again Christian?

So are AILD, Demon Hunter, Underoath and a long list of other "rock stars." They still get called evil sinners by a certain subsection of people.

But that is interesting actually... I didn't know that. I officially like Megadeth a little more now. :smallcool:

[Nameless]

Yeah. Out of all the metal out there, if I had to choose an "Anthem" for us all, it'd have to be either Die for Metal or The Gods Made Heavy Metal. Then again, it depends on the sort of metal we're talking. If we're talking metal in general, then those two - but for screamo metal (I coin the word screamo loosely to refer to anything with screaming in it) I'd probably have to say either Arch Enemy - Nemesis or Slipknot - Pulse of the Maggots. Both of those songs fire my blood.

In other news, thought i'd contribute here by showing off my own band (I'm the vocalist, please excuse how awful my vocals sound on the recordings, this may sound so clichéd but it does sound much better live :P): http://www.myspace.com/anavarofficial
Currently the recording quality is.. less than desirable, the only one I'd really reccomend at the minute is Broken Mind (The end of that song may surprise you.) and possibly Gone to the Wolves. Soon enough, into 2010 we'll be recording 2-3 songs professionally though, which'll be a marked improvement! We might be recording a song or two this coming Saturday too, although, again, the quality will be... meh.

Ah, pretty awesome indeed. Shame about the recording. :P
The riffs are good, very old school. "New Direction" Kind of reminds me of Saxon.

[DraPrime]

Which ones do you have? I think I have about 10 atm.

Here's the list, in order of purchase.

Iron Maiden - Somewhere Back In Time Tour

Judas Priest - Screaming For Vengeance album art

Iced Earth - North American Crucible Tour

Metallica - Boston, January 18, 2009

Machine Head - It's hard to describe!

Kreator - Hordes of Chaos North American Tour

Warbringer - Tour Without End

Edge of the World

Dream Theater - Black Clouds, Silver Linings Tour

Children of Bodom - End of the World Tour

Skeletonwitch - At One With The Shadows album art

Sonata Arctica - Days of Grays Tour

Vader - Monsters of Death Tour

And that's it. Edge Of The World is probably the only one you wouldn't recognize. They're a local hardcore band. I'm friends with their vocalist, so I got the shirt for the low price of $5.


Regarding Band Shirts one of my friends has a Megadeath shirt and, being a Burmese who doesn't know much of American Culture, the guy has no idea who is on the front of it (Dave Mustaine) or what Megadeath even is. :smalltongue:

The funny thing is he wears it to Church and I know for a fact that if everyone at Church knew what Megadeath was (thank God I live in a metal deprived country sometimes) he'd never wear it there.

It's Megadeth, not Megadeth.

[Nameless]

Vader- Hoard = funniest lyrics EVER! :D

[Mythestopheles]

Thanks for the recommendations derfos.

I've also been listening to Dream Theater lately, Octavarium specificaly. And I have to say, I think they're awesome!

[Rescindment]

Ah, pretty awesome indeed. Shame about the recording. :P
The riffs are good, very old school. "New Direction" Kind of reminds me of Saxon.

Heh, New Direction is pretty aptly named too, 'cause that's the direction we're actually taken - more old school hard rock/heavy metal rather than what we were doing, which was practically death metal if a little lighter (There's one song that cannot be anything but death metal, 'snot been uploaded though =p)

[DraPrime]

Vader- Hoard = funniest lyrics EVER! :D

There is no Vader song called Hoard, so what are you talking about? :smallconfused:

[Nameless]

There is no Vader song called Hoard, so what are you talking about? :smallconfused:

I misspelled it. I meant "Horde"... or "We are Horde". I wouldn't call myself a massive Vader fan, but that song makes me laugh. (:

[DraPrime]

I misspelled it. I meant "Horde"... or "We are Horde". I wouldn't call myself a massive Vader fan, but that song makes me laugh. (:

Errrrr, why?

[Myatar_Panwar]

I've been wanting to get some metal shirts for awhile now, but some of them are just.... bad.

I cannot find a tasteful Iced Earth shirt to save my life, for example.

[DraPrime]

I've been wanting to get some metal shirts for awhile now, but some of them are just.... bad.

I cannot find a tasteful Iced Earth shirt to save my life, for example.

For what example? And can't you just take an Iced Earth shirt with an album cover?

[zeratul]

For what example? And can't you just take an Iced Earth shirt with an album cover?

he was using the phrase "for example" to mean that the lack of tasteful iced earth shirts functions as an example of the underlying problem of their being an overall lack of tasteful band shirts in general.

[DraPrime]

he was using the phrase "for example" to mean that the lack of tasteful iced earth shirts functions as an example of the underlying problem of their being an overall lack of tasteful band shirts in general.

Oh, I thought he intended to give an example of a tasteless Iced Earth shirt.

[Myatar_Panwar]

It might just be me, but I like my shirts to not have gigantic and distracting images on them. Which every single Iced Earth shirt is.

It makes good album cover, but there is a reason people don't walk around with paintings on their shirts.

[DraPrime]

It might just be me, but I like my shirts to not have gigantic and distracting images on them. Which every single Iced Earth shirt is.

It makes good album cover, but there is a reason people don't walk around with paintings on their shirts.

You want not gigantic images? That rules out like 90% of all band shirts, ever.

[zeratul]

It might just be me, but I like my shirts to not have gigantic and distracting images on them. Which every single Iced Earth shirt is.

It makes good album cover, but there is a reason people don't walk around with paintings on their shirts.

You're probably not going to like many band shirts then. I really only like the ones with large images on them and preferably stuff on the back as well. Otherwise i think it's too boring. I suppose it's an aesthetical thing.

[Mr. Mud]

Eh, I dunno, I kinda like the Plain White Iron Maiden Shirt.

I can't find a picture, sadly. It's plain white, and just says "Iron Maiden" In the generic band text.

[DraPrime]

Eh, I dunno, I kinda like the Plain White Iron Maiden Shirt.

I can't find a picture, sadly. It's plain white, and just says "Iron Maiden" In the generic band text.

That does sound nice. There aren't enough white band shirts.

[Myatar_Panwar]

These are the kinds of band shirts I enjoy:
http://www.merchco-online.com/includes/img.php?m=648&p=images/&i=ITIB102.png
http://www.fearshop.com/imagesp/001/200/001-223-008.jpg
http://www.fearshop.com/imagesp/010/010-081-021-F.jpg

The images may be large, but they are of uniform color and composition, and don't look like some guy just copy-pasted the album cover (complete with its square border) on a shirt.

[SurlySeraph]

It might just be me, but I like my shirts to not have gigantic and distracting images on them. Which every single Iced Earth shirt is.

It makes good album cover, but there is a reason people don't walk around with paintings on their shirts.

Personally, I'd love to have a shirt with Soulfly's Conquer album cover on it. Such a shirt does not seem to exist, though.

Let's see, what band shirts do I have... the Machine Head War (https://www.illrockmerch.com/catalog/images/MACHINE%20HEAD%20WAR.jpg) shirt, the As I Lay Dying Dagger shirt (can't find a picture, it's an inverted dagger whose handle is a weathered statue of an angel with a skull for a face), and the Killswitch Engage Monk (http://www2.corpseclothing.com/images/products/bands/clothing/kill/kill59_thumb.gif) shirt, which I have not worn much yet because it's too big and I haven't gotten around to shrinking it. I want to get the classic silver Death shirt (http://img2.allposters.com/images/TEE_JSR/DEA103.jpg), and the Demon Hunter IV shirt (http://www.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/85/0/AAAAAoRp7UoAAAAAAIUCMQ.jpg) (which has thus far proven impossible to find), and maybe a Morbid Angel shirt if I can find a good one.

[zeratul]

What band shirts does Zeratul have you say?

Blind Guardian ~ Nightfall in Middle Earth Shirt (http://www.cmdistro.com/images/xlarge/30796.jpg)
Children of Bodom - bleeding logo with a band photo (http://www.catacombscds.com/images/children_of_bodom/children_of_bodom_bleeding_logo_shirt.gif)
Ensiferum ~ Paganfest tour Shirt (http://www.fearshop.com/imagesp/001/500/001-525-003.jpg)
Tyr - Land shirt (http://www.millennium-records.nl/plaatjes/shirts/43645.jpg)
Suidakra ~ Crogacht shirt
Nightwish - shirt with photo of the band (http://www2.corpseclothing.com/images/products/bands/clothing/nwish/bsi_nwish148.gif)
An eluveitie heathenfest shirt with the album art from their acoustic album in front of an octagram, then tourdates on the back
Primordial - Shirt with a picture of Cú Chulainn on the front and lyrics on the back
Black guard - shirt with lyrics from "the sword"
Alestorm - leviathan shirt (http://www.napalmrecords.com/images/13356.jpg)

I'm probably forgetting a few, but that's most of them.

[RationalGoblin]

So, what would you guys recommend for my brother, who likes the 'alternative' genre of music?

He despises metal, and says he thinks it's not very good. (thinks it's all screams and growls and such)

I want him to see that, even if he doesn't like the majority, there's at least one metal song he might like.

So, what would you guys recommend for him, to open him up to METAL?

[ex cathedra]

So, what would you guys recommend for my brother, who likes the 'alternative' genre of music?

He despises metal, and says he thinks it's not very good. (thinks it's all screams and growls and such)

I want him to see that, even if he doesn't like the majority, there's at least one metal song he might like.

So, what would you guys recommend for him, to open him up to METAL?

Honestly? I don't know what you like, so my suggestion could easily be less than ideal.

However, I'm going to suggest Porcupine Tree -> Opeth -> something. Heavier PT can segue into mellower Opeth pretty easily, then use things like Harvest, To Bid You Farewell, and Harlequin Forest to eventually get him to like Bleak, Blackwater Park, The Lotus Eater, etc.

It worked for me. :smallredface:

[zeratul]

Show him power metal or Iron Maiden or Dio era black sabbath, that should shut people up about metal being "nothing but screaming".

[RationalGoblin]

Show him power metal or Iron Maiden or Dio era black sabbath, that should shut people up about metal being "nothing but screaming".

Oh, he doesn't like that either.

[Fiendish_Dire_Moose]

So, what would you guys recommend for him, to open him up to METAL?

Nothing. He hates metal. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Let me help you figure this out. I hate poi. It's doo-doo oatmeal. My grandpa says it's an aquired taste. People often mistake this for meaning it requires excentric tastes to like. NO! It means just that. If you eat something you hate for a long enough time you will grow accoustomed to it. Very soon, as you continue to eat it, you will grow to love it. Something being an aquired taste does not mean it's likeable at first, it means it is only likeable after abusing yourself with its presence.
What does this have to do with anything? DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM LIKE METAL. If he absolutely hates it, nothing you do or say will change that. All you will do is waste his time and yours. You can't make someone stop hating something you love. They have to come to it by themselves.

[SurlySeraph]

So, what would you guys recommend for my brother, who likes the 'alternative' genre of music?

He despises metal, and says he thinks it's not very good. (thinks it's all screams and growls and such)

I want him to see that, even if he doesn't like the majority, there's at least one metal song he might like.

So, what would you guys recommend for him, to open him up to METAL?

Start him on the light stuff. Really light. Like, Linkin Park and Avenged Sevenfold if he's willing to listen to them. Then gradually progress up to less generic (and more awesome) bands.

Alternately, just focus on progressive metal since it sounds like what he'll be most interested in. I don't know prog well enough to give any suggestions, but what aethernox suggested sounds great. Throw some Mastodon and Turisas in as well; albums based on Moby **** (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=labytsb3gfI) and songs making Rasputin out to be a sex symbol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkBs0VCSX0) strike me as something an alternative rock fan would enjoy. Hell, even my sister likes "Rasputin" and she primarily listens to musicals.

[ex cathedra]

Or, you know, Agalloch. I'm of the opinion that everyone should like Agalloch.

I mean, it's Agalloch. They recently released a live DVD. I don't have it. This hurts me.

[Decoy Lockbox]

These are the kinds of band shirts I enjoy:
http://www.merchco-online.com/includes/img.php?m=648&p=images/&i=ITIB102.png
http://www.fearshop.com/imagesp/001/200/001-223-008.jpg
http://www.fearshop.com/imagesp/010/010-081-021-F.jpg

The images may be large, but they are of uniform color and composition, and don't look like some guy just copy-pasted the album cover (complete with its square border) on a shirt.

I've bought a number of shirts from this site (http://www.guttershock.com/). The prices are good, and the images may be to your liking (assuming you like any of the bands they sell).


Nothing. He hates metal. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Let me help you figure this out. I hate poi. It's doo-doo oatmeal. My grandpa says it's an aquired taste. People often mistake this for meaning it requires excentric tastes to like. NO! It means just that. If you eat something you hate for a long enough time you will grow accoustomed to it. Very soon, as you continue to eat it, you will grow to love it. Something being an aquired taste does not mean it's likeable at first, it means it is only likeable after abusing yourself with its presence.
What does this have to do with anything? DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM LIKE METAL. If he absolutely hates it, nothing you do or say will change that. All you will do is waste his time and yours. You can't make someone stop hating something you love. They have to come to it by themselves.

I agree, he should give up hope that his brother will like metal. However, perhaps he can force his brother to respect it? I'm not really sure to go about it; he seems to be the kind of guy that partions metal into "totally lame" (classic/power metal) and "nothing but noise and screaming" (death/black). Sounds like a tough nut to crack.

[Fiendish_Dire_Moose]

I agree, he should give up hope that his brother will like metal. However, perhaps he can force his brother to respect it? I'm not really sure to go about it; he seems to be the kind of guy that partions metal into "totally lame" (classic/power metal) and "nothing but noise and screaming" (death/black). Sounds like a tough nut to crack.
The respect of metal is going to be a hard thing to come by.
However, I do have an easy answer to prove such preconceptions of metal wrong: Anthrax.
It's a better bet to go with The Sound of White Noise or Stomp 442 since they were pretty easy listens, and the earlier stuff is, kind of hard to take seriously as metal.

[Kuma]

How to make a non-believer enjoy metal? My general attempts at this are to make mixes for the person, find out his exact taste, and slowly show him whichever bands are closest to his likings, if he hates metal because its metal however, this doesn't help at all.:smallconfused:

on another note. Woot! \m/(>_<)\m/

[Dragor]

I love my Behemoth t-shirt. I'm wearing it now. :smallbiggrin:

http://www.cmdistro.com/images/xlarge/31809.jpg

I've had a lot of non-metal fans actually commenting on how much they like it, which is a first.

[darkblust]

Metallica have some thrash songs,yes?One of the big four of thrash?

[zeratul]

Metallica have some thrash songs,yes?One of the big four of thrash?

Yup, "Master of Puppets" and all their albums prior to it are thrash, with "And Justice For All" and "Metallica" being sort of thrash/hard rock albums, then the next three albums were pretty much straight up metal / hard rock, and the most recent one is thrash. Remember, the first rule of "St. Anger" is don't talk about St. Anger.

[DraPrime]

Yup, "Master of Puppets" and all their albums prior to it are thrash, with "And Justice For All" and "Metallica" being sort of thrash/hard rock albums, then the next three albums were pretty much straight up metal / hard rock, and the most recent one is thrash. Remember, the first rule of "St. Anger" is don't talk about St. Anger.

Where was And Justice For All hard rock? It wasn't as purely thrash as the last few albums, but that's largely due to the weird production, and the fact that it was slightly more progressive than the last 3 albums. The Black album was their first album that really could be considered hard rockish.

And St. Anger isn't that bad.

Really!

[zeratul]

Where was And Justice For All hard rock? It wasn't as purely thrash as the last few albums, but that's largely due to the weird production, and the fact that it was slightly more progressive than the last 3 albums. The Black album was their first album that really could be considered hard rockish.

And St. Anger isn't that bad.

Really!

I didn't say And Justice for All was all hard rock, it just sort of began metallicas fusing hard rock with heavy metal.

[DraPrime]

I didn't say And Justice for All was all hard rock, it just sort of began metallicas fusing hard rock with heavy metal.

Eh? How? :smallconfused:

[toasty]

Wait.... what exactly is the difference between Hard Rock and Metal? I've kinda always seen the difference as the number of guitar solos and ballads (more ballads = less metal. more solos = more metal).

[SurlySeraph]

It is a continuum, and there's some overlap. The founding heavy metal bands sound a lot more like our current conception of hard rock than our current conception of heavy metal. With that said, metal tends to be more aggressive, focuses more on high and low notes and spends less time in midrange notes as compared to rock, tends to have a different lyrical style, and... other stuff that people who actually know music theory can articulate much better than I can.

[DraPrime]

Wait.... what exactly is the difference between Hard Rock and Metal? I've kinda always seen the difference as the number of guitar solos and ballads (more ballads = less metal. more solos = more metal).

Depends which subgenre of metal we're talking about. However, metal is generally faster/heavier/more intense or whatever. Certainly, there's more harsh vocals than in hard rock. And, rock is more....rockish. However, I'll go more into depth with each subgenre of metal.

Traditional Heavy Metal - Ok, this one is the most similar. Generally, it's got a faster and heavier sound to it than hard rock. It also might have more solos and such.

Power Metal - Hard rock is certainly probably going to be less fast than this music. There's also gonna be less of a focus on being "epic" and such. And if we're talking about more flowery bands such as Sonata Arctica, then it's all in the keyboards. You're also gonna have more classical music influence in power metal than in hard rock.

Death Metal - This subgenre has growling, atonal downtuned guitar-playing, and blast beats. The difference should be obvious.

Black Metal - And here we have screaming, with lots of fast tremolo picking. Also plenty of blast beats. Also, rather weird song structure sometimes, and usually you've got atrocious sound quality. So it's not like hard rock.

Folk Metal - It's metal, with folk music. It's fairly obvious. Hard rock rarely uses folk music instruments, so this is one obvious thing. And folk metal is just simply more metal.

Thrash Metal - Fast, raw sounding riffs that typically have a chromatic chord progression. The solos are wild and sometimes random sounding. The vocals are usually roughly shouted. This, is simply just faster and wilder than any hard rock ever will be.

Alright, I hope that helps clarify the issue.

edit: Oh yeah, metal also tends to use tritones and dissonance a lot more. Also, hard rock might end up sounding a bit more bluesy than most metal will. Very little metal has any more blues influence anymore.

[Decoy Lockbox]

Thrash Metal - Fast, raw sounding riffs that typically have a chromatic chord progression. The solos are wild and sometimes random sounding. The vocals are usually roughly shouted. This, is simply just faster and wilder than any hard rock ever will be.

I've always found that some thrash solos sound not unlike something you'd hear at the kind of bar where the musicians play behind chicken wire for their own protection. The solo from "hit the lights" comes to mind.

For me, the only type of metal with any real similarity to hard rock is traditional/heavy metal, where the line can be pretty thin sometimes. As Potter Stewart said, "I'll know it when I see it", or in this case, hear it. Metal just has this ineffable quality to it. I feel like one can gain the ability to easily differentiate between metal and non-metal with enough exposure.

How bout this: if a band is obviously metal, case closed. If they might be, look at their stated influences. If the majority of their influences are metal bands, they are a metal band. If its a really old band who cite sabbath/deep purple/zep/etc there still might be some dispute, but it isn't really important.

An important thing that a lot of people fail to recognize: loud, distorted guitars != metal. Lots of types of music use them.

[Killer Angel]

It's a better bet to go with The Sound of White Noise or Stomp 442 since they were pretty easy listens, and the earlier stuff is, kind of hard to take seriously as metal.

Uh? Spreading the disease and Among the living are definitely thrash metal.
But if we're talking 'bout attitude you're right... skate and bermudas cannot be taken too much seriously. :smallbiggrin:

[zeratul]

There's deffinately some bands that combine hard rock and heavy metal. Black Label Society, Motorhead, and load/reload/black album era metallica come to mind.

[Fiendish_Dire_Moose]

Uh? Spreading the disease and Among the living are definitely thrash metal.
But if we're talking 'bout attitude you're right... skate and bermudas cannot be taken too much seriously. :smallbiggrin:

:P.
I was talking more about Persistence of Time era. There are definitely epic songs there, but from a metal stand point it's hard to take seriously.
And yes, surfer metal is a bit on the non metal side, but I love it just the same ^_^.

[Killer Angel]

:P.
I was talking more about Persistence of Time era. There are definitely epic songs there, but from a metal stand point it's hard to take seriously.


Ah, OK. Yep, very good stuff, but not so thrashy as the previous works.
But decisely funny: they used to open the Persistance Tour with the Blues brothers intro... :smallbiggrin:

[Mythestopheles]

I'm finally going to a Metal concert!

Lineup is:
Hatebreed
Cannibal Corpse
Unearth
Born of Orisis
Hate Eternal

Kinda funny, I just got into Death Metal, and now I'm going to a Death Metal heavy concert:smalltongue:.

[Kuma]

Good, for you! :smallbiggrin: tell us how it goes.

[Decoy Lockbox]

Too many good shows in my area coming up:

Behemoth, Korpiklaani/Tyr, Nile/Immolation/Krisiun, Kreator/Voivod/Nachtmystium/Evile, Fintroll/Moonsorrow, Overkill/Vader/Warbringer/Evile, Devin Townsend/Cynic, Maryland Deathfest VIII (featuring Autopsy, Gorguts, Obituary, Entombed, Possessed, Pentagram, Pestilence, Coverge, and my favorite thrash band, Sodom!)

I usually try to not go to all that many concerts, for financial reasons. But I'm going to have a hell of a time picking and choosing here. I suppose its a good problem to have though.

[SurlySeraph]

For a moment I thought that that was all one list, like for some kind of huge festival, and I was about to start whining about how unfair it was that you got Behometh and Nile and Kreator and Finntroll and Vader dear Lord how many good bands are you getting? I'm in a huge college town and there've been barely any metal concerts here this year (though we're getting Slayer/Megadeth in February).

Overkill/Vader/Warbringer/Evile is what I'd go see, personally.

[toasty]

Bah... the closest I can get to a good concert is friends jamming after practice for the Church's Christmas performance. They sound awesome (our church, actually, has a bunch of good drummers, a few good bassists, and at least one guy who is good on the electric guitar), but its... not metal.

That being said, there is something about music when played live in front of you... it sounds cooler.

[zeratul]

Too many good shows in my area coming up:

Behemoth, Korpiklaani/Tyr, Nile/Immolation/Krisiun, Kreator/Voivod/Nachtmystium/Evile, Fintroll/Moonsorrow, Overkill/Vader/Warbringer/Evile, Devin Townsend/Cynic, Maryland Deathfest VIII (featuring Autopsy, Gorguts, Obituary, Entombed, Possessed, Pentagram, Pestilence, Coverge, and my favorite thrash band, Sodom!)

I usually try to not go to all that many concerts, for financial reasons. But I'm going to have a hell of a time picking and choosing here. I suppose its a good problem to have though.

When is fintroll coming to the US? I was under the impression they were just playing in Europe. I recommend Korpiklaani and Tyr as both are fantastic live bands.

[Nameless]

NOOOOOOOOOOO! FOR THE LOVE OF LAIHO!
Satyricon have sold out. :furious:

[DraPrime]

NOOOOOOOOOOO! FOR THE LOVE OF LAIHO!
Satyricon have sold out. :furious:

Errr, in terms of tickets, or in style?

Anyways, I too am pissed off. Last night I had to miss Ensiferum because my friend with the car backed out at the last second, so I had no way of getting there. Now, I'll also be missing a Municipal Waste show on Tuesday, because my newly acquired car hasn't been registered yet, and won't be until Wednesday at the earliest.

GWAAAAAARRRRRGH!!!!!!!

[Nameless]

Errr, in terms of tickets, or in style?

Anyways, I too am pissed off. Last night I had to miss Ensiferum because my friend with the car backed out at the last second, so I had no way of getting there. Now, I'll also be missing a Municipal Waste show on Tuesday, because my newly acquired car hasn't been registered yet, and won't be until Wednesday at the earliest.

GWAAAAAARRRRRGH!!!!!!!

Tickets. .-. *smashes head against wall*
I was really looking forwards to seeing them! GAH! Why did I leave it so long!?

Also, that sucks so much. D:

[DraPrime]

Tickets. .-. *smashes head against wall*
I was really looking forwards to seeing them! GAH! Why did I leave it so long!?

Also, that sucks so much. D:

Perhaps you could steal some tickets? :smalltongue:

[zeratul]

Errr, in terms of tickets, or in style?

Anyways, I too am pissed off. Last night I had to miss Ensiferum because my friend with the car backed out at the last second, so I had no way of getting there. Now, I'll also be missing a Municipal Waste show on Tuesday, because my newly acquired car hasn't been registered yet, and won't be until Wednesday at the earliest.

GWAAAAAARRRRRGH!!!!!!!

If it makes you feel any better I'm missing Ensiferum tonight because they changed the time and venue in such a way that going to the show would have meant me standing around in the middle of new york city at 3 in the morning waiting for an hour for someone to pick me up. So lots of missed concerts it would seem.

[DraPrime]

If it makes you feel any better I'm missing Ensiferum tonight because they changed the time and venue in such a way that going to the show would have meant me standing around in the middle of new york city at 3 in the morning waiting for an hour for someone to pick me up. So lots of missed concerts it would seem.

Damn, that's a shame. Ah well, at least you've seen them before, so it's not as big a loss. It's not as bad as....missing Blind Guardian, or something like that.

[Frozen_Feet]

You know, the tittle of this thread reminds of one thing: I find it exceedingly funny that some band and fans talk about heavy metal as if was some obscure religion (well, to some it pretty much is). It's a running gag within my family that next time when I have to fill a bureaucratic form asking my religion, I'll answer Iron Maiden.

I also find it funny to see so many finnish bands mentioned in this thread. There's such an over-abundance of metal music made in Scandinavia, it's hard to remember which bands are known in the wider world.

[DraPrime]

You know, the tittle of this thread reminds of one thing: I find it exceedingly funny that some band and fans talk about heavy metal as if was some obscure religion (well, to some it pretty much is). It's a running gag within my family that next time when I have to fill a bureaucratic form asking my religion, I'll answer Iron Maiden.

Some people just really like metal...


I also find it funny to see so many finnish bands mentioned in this thread. There's such an over-abundance of metal music made in Scandinavia, it's hard to remember which bands are known in the wider world.

Errr, what exactly is funny about there being many Finnish bands being known here? Finland has a lot of metal bands. I believe somebody calculated that they in fact have the most metal bands per thousand people in the world.

And isn't Finland only kinda considered a part of Scandinavia?

[Nameless]

Perhaps you could steal some tickets? :smalltongue:

So it has been written, so it shall be done. :P

[DraPrime]

So it has been written, so it shall be done. :P

Alright, but don't tell the cops I was the one who gave you this idea.

[Frozen_Feet]

Errr, what exactly is funny about there being many Finnish bands being known here? Finland has a lot of metal bands. I believe somebody calculated that they in fact have the most metal bands per thousand people in the world.
The hilarity is in which bands are mentioned - exactly because there are so many here, it's hard to remember which ones have established a fandom in the outside world and which are obscure garage groups that just recently popped up.



And isn't Finland only kinda considered a part of Scandinavia?
Well, yes. Who cares?

[DraPrime]

Well, yes. Who cares?

I do.white text!

[zeratul]

I do.white text!

Dragon Prime is our resident nitpicker here.

Frozen Feet: I imagine it must be interest coming from finland given the huge amount of metal keeping track about who in the outside world has heard about it so I get what your saying. There's a lot of Finnish bands that are well known to the outside metal community though. Finnish bands fairly well known to the non-finnish metal community are Turisas, Nightwish, Children of Bodom, Norther, Sentenced, Poisonblack, Korpiklaani, Ensiferum, Moonsorrow, Fintroll, Wintersun, HIM, Tarot, Synergy, and probably lots of other bands that I'm forgetting. :smalltongue:

[DraPrime]

Dragon Prime is our resident nitpicker here.

Yes. Somebody has to make sure stuff is accurate.

[SurlySeraph]

And isn't Finland only kinda considered a part of Scandinavia?

Finland is very much part of Scandinavia, it just has more Russian and less German influence than the rest of Scandinavia. And is sometimes considered a backwater by the others, even though in reality it's the most awesome of them all. /Finlandfanboyism.

[Decoy Lockbox]

For a moment I thought that that was all one list, like for some kind of huge festival, and I was about to start whining about how unfair it was that you got Behometh and Nile and Kreator and Finntroll and Vader dear Lord how many good bands are you getting? I'm in a huge college town and there've been barely any metal concerts here this year (though we're getting Slayer/Megadeth in February).

Overkill/Vader/Warbringer/Evile is what I'd go see, personally.

Yeah, there is this tiny club about an hour drive from my school that hosts the best shows! Every single metal concert I've ever been to has been there, due to the amazing band quality and low low ticket prices. Kreator, Exodus, Fintroll, Korpiklaani, Moonsorrow, Therion, Turisas...I could go on. Every concert I listed (except for deathfest and Devin Townsend) are at this place, how crazy is that?


You know, the tittle of this thread reminds of one thing: I find it exceedingly funny that some band and fans talk about heavy metal as if was some obscure religion (well, to some it pretty much is). It's a running gag within my family that next time when I have to fill a bureaucratic form asking my religion, I'll answer Iron Maiden.

I also find it funny to see so many finnish bands mentioned in this thread. There's such an over-abundance of metal music made in Scandinavia, it's hard to remember which bands are known in the wider world.

On my facebook page, I have "metal" listed as my religion. At first it was a joke, but music really is emotionally powerful enough that it can be like a religious experience at times. And if your favorite genre of music happens to be metal...


Errr, what exactly is funny about there being many Finnish bands being known here? Finland has a lot of metal bands. I believe somebody calculated that they in fact have the most metal bands per thousand people in the world.

It was me :smallcool:

I think I posted that in the Metal Thread II, but I could be wrong. Finland had (and likely still has) the highest rate of metal bands per capita, followed by, if I recall, Sweden, and then Germany. I could be wrong about those, but I know that Finland was number 1. The U.S.A. actually had the most metal bands, but due to the population size the ratio was actually quite low.

[DraPrime]

I think I posted that in the Metal Thread II, but I could be wrong. Finland had (and likely still has) the highest rate of metal bands per capita, followed by, if I recall, Sweden, and then Germany. I could be wrong about those, but I know that Finland was number 1. The U.S.A. actually had the most metal bands, but due to the population size the ratio was actually quite low.

Makes sense. Metal is far less popular in the USA than most of Europe, especially in countries like Sweden, Finland, and Germany.

[Mythestopheles]

So I went to my first concert. I'm thinking that it was a bit premature to have my first concert be Death Metal. Either way, I have to admit, when I actually went up front it was a lot of fun. Overall this won't be my last concert, though I think next time I'll go to something a bit less... Heavy.

[DraPrime]

So I went to my first concert. I'm thinking that it was a bit premature to have my first concert be Death Metal. Either way, I have to admit, when I actually went up front it was a lot of fun. Overall this won't be my last concert, though I think next time I'll go to something a bit less... Heavy.

Just go to whatever concerts happen to show up in your area from now on, assuming you like the bands playing. Heaviness will vary, so you'll get a wide range of experiences.

[Killer Angel]

Alright, but don't tell the cops I was the one who gave you this idea.

Nameless: "no, no, it wasn't my fault! Dragonprime told me to do that!"
cop: ":smallconfused: ...Dragonprime?"
Nameless: "yes. it's a Troll!"
cop: "...suuure... now, tell me 'bout the drug"

[Nameless]

Finland is very much part of Scandinavia, it just has more Russian and less German influence than the rest of Scandinavia. And is sometimes considered a backwater by the others, even though in reality it's the most awesome of them all. /Finlandfanboyism.

Actually, geographically, Scandinavia is only Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Although Iceland and Finland are sometimes considered part of Scandinavia Culturally and historically.

[Decoy Lockbox]

So I went to my first concert. I'm thinking that it was a bit premature to have my first concert be Death Metal. Either way, I have to admit, when I actually went up front it was a lot of fun. Overall this won't be my last concert, though I think next time I'll go to something a bit less... Heavy.

Yeah, I could see that being a bit much for a first time experience.

[Nameless]

So after learning Warriors of The World by ManOWar a few months back, I have decided to write my own acoustic version of it. Not sure why actually, it's a bit of a joke. It’s almost done, but I’m having troubles with the intro, I’m not to sure how to covert it into acoustic. All I need now is a good singer. :P

[SurlySeraph]

Actually, geographically, Scandinavia is only Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Although Iceland and Finland are sometimes considered part of Scandinavia Culturally and historically.

Major premise: Google is always right.
Minor premise: Everything on the first page of Google Image Search for "Scandinavia" includes Finland. (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Scandinavia&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3MOZA_enUS344US345&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)
Conclusion: Finland is part of Scandinavia.
And everyone knows syllogisms always tell the truth. :smalltongue:

An acoustic version of Warriors of the World actually sounds like it could work. It's slow enough. An acoustic version of Heart of Steel would also work. I'd probably have more "Oh wow, world peace and unity"-style lyrics than the original Manowar lyrics. Something like a 60s protest song.

[Nameless]

Major premise: Google is always right.
Minor premise: Everything on the first page of Google Image Search for "Scandinavia" includes Finland. (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Scandinavia&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3MOZA_enUS344US345&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)
Conclusion: Finland is part of Scandinavia.
And everyone knows syllogisms always tell the truth. :smalltongue:

An acoustic version of Warriors of the World actually sounds like it could work. It's slow enough. An acoustic version of Heart of Steel would also work. I'd probably have more "Oh wow, world peace and unity"-style lyrics than the original Manowar lyrics. Something like a 60s protest song.

Yes, that's because - as Wikipedia say's:


Scandinavia[1] is a region in northern Europe that includes Denmark, Norway and Sweden, though Finland is often considered a Scandinavian country in common English usage, with Iceland and the Faroe Islands sometimes also included.[2]


Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scandinavia_location_map_definitions.PNG

Geographically speaking, Scandinavia is only Denmark, Norway and Sweden. However, like I said, Iceland, Greenland and Finland are usually Included when speaking about the Historical, political and Nordic cultural aspects in these areas.

[DraPrime]

So, the conclusion that we have reached is pretty much what I said before. Finland is only kinda in Scandinavia.

[Klose_the_Sith]

England is so depressingly not metal :smallfrown:

[SurlySeraph]

That (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LjbMVXj0F8) is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaD9cd8hvw) not (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wb1mHy9i30) true. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4_YciUVKA)

[zeratul]

That (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LjbMVXj0F8) is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaD9cd8hvw) not (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wb1mHy9i30) true. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4_YciUVKA)

He's probably reffering to their now mostly non existant metal scene. They have Bring Me The Horizon though, i suppose that's something.

[Dragor]

Although I always hear people saying Nightfall in Middle-Earth was Blind Guardian's best album, I'm currently listening to Somewhere Far Beyond and think it's miles better. It may just be the MP3 quality from the iTunes Store, but I could barely make out what Hansi Kursch was singing on Nightfall.

I'm not much of a LotR buff, so I'd not read the Silmarillion(sp?) and thus I probably didn't 'get it' and thus lost some enjoyment from it.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. I'll go back in my corner, mm'k? *hides*


He's probably reffering to their now mostly non existant metal scene. They have Bring Me The Horizon though, i suppose that's something.

Bring Me The Horizon have a really horrible fanbase, and I mean horrible. I do own Suicide Season, even though the album is only worth it for about one or two songs. A bad purchase on the whole.

England, or at least my little area in the Midlands, is practically dominated by hip-hop and grime. However, me and my friends are the metal fortress weathering the storm. xD

[Zocelot]

England doesn't have many good metal bands, but at least you guys get all the bands from eastern Europe touring in your country.

I like Nightfall in Middle Earth, more than Somewhere Far Beyond, but A Night at the Opera and A Twist in the Myth are both better, in my opinion. I haven't read The Similarion, it is one of two books I've ever tried to read and been so bored I couldn't continue.

[zeratul]

The problem with somewhere far beyond and most stuff done before "Imaginations From The Other Side " Is that Hansi hadn't learned how to sing properly yet. He was not as bad on "somewhere far beyond" as on some of the earlier stuff but the overall goodness of the album is damaged by the fact that his voice hadn't gotten to the level that its at now. Also yes, "Nightfall in Middle Earth" is probably much more enjoyable to those of us who know the stories that are being sung about and are fans of Tolkien, so I can understand someone who isn't into that stuff not liking it as much as someone who is.

[Nameless]

England doesn't have many good metal bands, but at least you guys get all the bands from eastern Europe touring in your country.

Apart from Iron Maiden, Saxon, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Cradle of Filth, Skyclad, UFO, Def Leppard... A

and let's not forget the bands from the rest of Britain such as the AMAZING Celtic Legacy from Ireland.

[zeratul]

Apart from Iron Maiden, Saxon, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Cradle of Filth, Skyclad, UFO, Def Leppard... A

and let's not forget the bands from the rest of Britain such as the AMAZING Celtic Legacy from Ireland.

Yea but note that only two of the bands you mentioned from England are relatively new. England has a fantastic history of metal, being the birthplace of metal, NWOBHM, black metal, and folk metal, but it's current scene is somewhat lacking (Danni filth frequently talks about how he hates the music scene in the UK for this reason :smalltongue:).

[Nameless]

Yea but note that only two of the bands you mentioned from England are relatively new. England has a fantastic history of metal, being the birthplace of metal, NWOBHM, black metal, and folk metal, but it's current scene is somewhat lacking (Danni filth frequently talks about how he hates the music scene in the UK for this reason :smalltongue:).

Well, yes. That is why I shall bring back the metal scene to the UK with my none-existant Heavy black Folk melodeath metal band! \m/o_o\m/

[Zocelot]

So, um, Ahnold metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdZYvPZhT1c)?

[DraPrime]

England doesn't have many good metal bands, but at least you guys get all the bands from eastern Europe touring in your country.

I like Nightfall in Middle Earth, more than Somewhere Far Beyond, but A Night at the Opera and A Twist in the Myth are both better, in my opinion. I haven't read The Similarion, it is one of two books I've ever tried to read and been so bored I couldn't continue.

Burn the heretic!

[Makensha]

Sooo... am I the only one who laughed when this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5886Nb_psg) hit the techno (close enough) thing at the end and the band started doing the jumping thing? Could somebody explain Crabcore to me?

[Decoy Lockbox]

Sooo... am I the only one who laughed when this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5886Nb_psg) hit the techno (close enough) thing at the end and the band started doing the jumping thing? Could somebody explain Crabcore to me?

I started laughing about 10 seconds into the song. That was terrible. Everyone knows Whalecore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLqV1U0XJUo) is better than crabcore.

[DraPrime]

I started laughing about 10 seconds into the song. That was terrible. Everyone knows Whalecore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLqV1U0XJUo) is better than crabcore.

What's up with all this marine animal core?

[Nameless]

this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5886Nb_psg)

What just happened?

[Makensha]

What just happened?

Black Eyed Peas - Budget + Post-Hardcore/Metalcore (Can Never Get the Names Right) = Attack Attack?

[Boo]

Black Eyed Peas - Budget + Post-Hardcore/Metalcore (Can Never Get the Names Right) = Attack Attack?

So... T-Pain if he were in a post-hardcore metal band? (I'm not too good with names either, so yeah) screamo(?) band.

[SurlySeraph]

Attack Attack is pretty awful. That's the best song of theirs I've ever heard, and the sheer repetitiveness and autotuned vocals don't do it any favors. If you want generic rebellious metalcore, The Agonist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXzIeI0mkFI) is less terrible and has a hot chick.

[AshDesert]

Sooo... am I the only one who laughed when this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5886Nb_psg) hit the techno (close enough) thing at the end and the band started doing the jumping thing? Could somebody explain Crabcore to me?

The guy trying to headbang on his keyboards (while he wasn't playing anything) made laugh out loud. That, and the bassist who took the whole "low hanging bass" thing way too far (seriously, BELOW the knees? You don't have to have your guitar in your armpits, but honestly, at one point they just start looking stupid).

So, I'm wanting to get into metal more right now, all I really listen to are the "classics" (Sabbath, Zeppelin, Purple, Metallica), but metal as a whole is pretty appealing to me. I just don't know where to start. Anyone that could help me with albums and bands to suggest (I've already looked over Decoy's guide some) would be well appreciated. I'm open to just about any genre, although the Glam that I've heard kind of hit me as "meh", if that's any indication of my tastes.

[Decoy Lockbox]

The guy trying to headbang on his keyboards (while he wasn't playing anything) made laugh out loud. That, and the bassist who took the whole "low hanging bass" thing way too far (seriously, BELOW the knees? You don't have to have your guitar in your armpits, but honestly, at one point they just start looking stupid).

So, I'm wanting to get into metal more right now, all I really listen to are the "classics" (Sabbath, Zeppelin, Purple, Metallica), but metal as a whole is pretty appealing to me. I just don't know where to start. Anyone that could help me with albums and bands to suggest (I've already looked over Decoy's guide some) would be well appreciated. I'm open to just about any genre, although the Glam that I've heard kind of hit me as "meh", if that's any indication of my tastes.

What type of metal are you in the mood for?

[Nameless]

The guy trying to headbang on his keyboards (while he wasn't playing anything) made laugh out loud. That, and the bassist who took the whole "low hanging bass" thing way too far (seriously, BELOW the knees? You don't have to have your guitar in your armpits, but honestly, at one point they just start looking stupid).

So, I'm wanting to get into metal more right now, all I really listen to are the "classics" (Sabbath, Zeppelin, Purple, Metallica), but metal as a whole is pretty appealing to me. I just don't know where to start. Anyone that could help me with albums and bands to suggest (I've already looked over Decoy's guide some) would be well appreciated. I'm open to just about any genre, although the Glam that I've heard kind of hit me as "meh", if that's any indication of my tastes.

Firstly, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Qx_qsAla0) Glam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDWxf5qkAIs&feature=PlayList&p=D8AFE68C106F0C1E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5)

Not including bands that you've already mentioned and in no particular order.

Clean Vocals:

Airbourne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uANVBPVaf-g&feature=fvst)
Elvenking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Jv2vAauaA)
Iron Maiden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PieS0zG228A)
Nightwish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UztEfwHt14)
Trivium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSfGtLzshc)
UFO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZXQwOf5kM&feature=fvw)
Dark Moor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rML56lmO_8)
Turisas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAlP8WZPp8A)
Hammerfall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi66fs7xRoc)
Twisted Sister (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT1LXhgXPWs)
Saxon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-49noOAFsG8)
Skyclad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJkVCWXe9Q)
Judas Priest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psTUiQzNoxw)
Testament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09rHDabBQfA)
Hawkwind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEtqGDFPA0)
Kamelot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-TUufvK0gU)
Black Tide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz82TarLmSI)
ManOwaR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPZck1dlF0)
Rainbow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYtdW5bD-7Q)
Dio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj7UBgVVew8)
KISS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w4opXi2yzo)
Celtic Legacy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoUuLWLJ-ng)
Rhapsody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye6YHQ8AZzU&feature=related)
Crimson Glory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTeoLHN8mek)
Dragonforce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9_U-RBSuk)
Bullet for my Valentine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLlbhlg1GM) (mixture of both vocals actually)

Harsh Vocals:
Arch Enemy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9AcG0glVu4)
Children of Bodom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVifw7Atg2Y)
Kalmah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz2irxsZKH0&feature=fvw)
Cradle of Filth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dW6aNAZGTM)
Light this City
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H4SVRApGhM) Norther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad5mzbNhAx4&feature=related)
Dead silent slumber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6gjGVPyRI)
Lordi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iEDvJfKUNw)
Satyricon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdsKH3Qt8)
Slipknot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5abamRO41fE)
Eluveitie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o)
Archeon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgztr0gZK1E)
Still Remains (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISu4QXC6mIM)
Dimmu Borgir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9cqKafnUrk)
Finntroll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HMWBsgURs&feature=fvst)
Deathstars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViCo8cbD_8)
Mirzedah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgP1gGfdAsI)
Chthonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP2OxHeLqwY)
Ensiferum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlKG2GatN0&feature=related)
Machinehead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLbMloO6wXM)
Bring me the Horizon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSadcuwiPbU)
Nile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cac2-dTkayY)
Sienbenburgen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JoL7-562Z0)
Phsyclon Nine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5m2f67UPs0)
Marilyn Manson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kQMDSw3Aqo)

There's loads more I could give you, but I think this list gives a reasonable mixture of genres.

[Whoracle]

OK, which one of you guys in here just ordered our album? Please drop me a PM here, because I can't access my mailbox right now and I've got some information to share.

And don't tell me it wasn't someone from here. I don't know that many texans, and we're not popular enough for the album to spread by itself, y'know? :smallbiggrin:

[Decoy Lockbox]

OK, which one of you guys in here just ordered our album? Please drop me a PM here, because I can't access my mailbox right now and I've got some information to share.

And don't tell me it wasn't someone from here. I don't know that many texans, and we're not popular enough for the album to spread by itself, y'know? :smallbiggrin:

Maybye some hipster from Texas was trolling for new bands that nobody has heard of yet, and he wants to get into your music, then deny ever liking you once you get more well-known.

Anybody listened to this (http://theunderworldofmusic.blogspot.com/2009/01/tribulation-horror-2009.html) yet?

[Meshakhad]

My single favorite band is Within Temptation. They are sometimes described as "symphonic metal", so I usually put them on my list of favorite metal bands.

Others include:
Manowar
Hammerfall
Dream Evil
Metallica

[DraPrime]

Behold! The Amenta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjeGX7grC74)! An awesome combo of death, black, and industrial. I discovered these guys when they opened for Vader. After checking them out recently, I have come to the conclusion that they are totally awesome.

[derfos]

England doesn't have many good metal bands, but at least you guys get all the bands from eastern Europe touring in your country.

I know this post is kind of old but I still think it deserves a reply. The Death/Doom scene was pretty much born and raised in England. I mean, Esoteric for gods' sake! I wish I was in England instead of Western Canada - at least Eastern Canada has some good Death Metal, all we have is 3 Inches of Blood coming in every few months. I don't mean to diss 3IOB, they are really good, but when that is what you have to look forward to...

I guess the best place to be would be either Finland or Germany (AKA Wacken), but England is definitely not a bad call.

---
I've been getting into an old-school metal phase lately. I've been listening to Saxon, Rainbow, Purple, Sabbath, Priest. I was wandering if you guys had any recommendations for hard-rock/heavy metal acts from the late 70s. None of the ACDC style hard rock, something with riffs.

[Nameless]

I've been getting into an old-school metal phase lately. I've been listening to Saxon, Rainbow, Purple, Sabbath, Priest. I was wandering if you guys had any recommendations for hard-rock/heavy metal acts from the late 70s. None of the ACDC style hard rock, something with riffs.

Well, There's Iron Maiden of course. Dio is a big one. Crimson Glory, Moterhead, David Coverdale's 70's stuff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nhb0vbUtB4&feature=related) (though a bit more bluesy then metal, but still awesome), UFO, Hawkwind, Pink Floyd, Twisted Sister. There's also some 90's stuff such as Skyclad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJkVCWXe9Q) and Celtic Legacy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoUuLWLJ-ng) who still have a very old school sound.

[DraPrime]

I've been getting into an old-school metal phase lately. I've been listening to Saxon, Rainbow, Purple, Sabbath, Priest. I was wandering if you guys had any recommendations for hard-rock/heavy metal acts from the late 70s. None of the ACDC style hard rock, something with riffs.

Alright, here's a good ol' list of band.

Running Wild (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTlhUfBLKlM)
Manowar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YD8pfnqeP4)
Goat Horn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2i_Z24p2uw) (modern, but old-school in sound)
King Diamond (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK8dgkQ1CHI)

Good stuff.

[Makensha]

I know the sub-genre exists, but are there any good Rap Metal bands out there?

[DraPrime]

I know the sub-genre exists, but are there any good Rap Metal bands out there?

There probably are, but they're hidden way too deep in the bowels of obscurity for most of us to know of them.

[SurlySeraph]

I know the sub-genre exists, but are there any good Rap Metal bands out there?

Uh...
Hm...
Define good.
I mean, there's always Serj Tankian if you like his work, Machine Head has rap-metal-ish elements in some songs, and Linkin Park can be very enjoyable if you don't expect anything too badass or unique.

[zeratul]

I know the sub-genre exists, but are there any good Rap Metal bands out there?

I'd say Rage Against the Machine is pretty damn good, but I wouldn't be surprised if saying that here gets me flogged :smalltongue:.

[DraPrime]

I'd say Rage Against the Machine is pretty damn good, but I wouldn't be surprised if saying that here gets me flogged :smalltongue:.

*brandishes whip*

Your prediction was correct.

[ex cathedra]

Hey, I consider RATM's self-titled album to be fairly decent, all things considered. It's certainly better than most main-stream metal. I wouldn't listen to it except on a rare whim, and I don't consider it to be 'rap-metal', but whatever.

Also, Morello is good. Just sayin'.

Of course, I expect to be disagreed with; the basis of this expectation is that I've been led to believe that I don't share very much taste with anyone here, based on the fact that most of you recommend and discuss music that sucks. So be it.

[Rescindment]

Something is really pissing me off at the minute. I looked at a link earlier in the thread (Specifically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5886Nb_psg) and them headbanging at the beginning made me laugh my head off. Since when did metal become a bunch of weaklings in tight skinny jeans, dyed black hair and headbanging ridiculously in sync. Man I hate scene kids.

In other news:

, but are there any good Rap Metal bands out there?

Why yes, yes there are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jiyShALlTI That's currently the only rap metal band I can really stand.

People tend to confuse rap metal with Nu-metal, which is a shame, 'cause I like nu-metal. Korn I don't have words for how awesome I find them.

Furthermore...

"One day the skies they emitted a sudden utterance in the early 1990's, just like they had done in the previous three decades. From the skies descended the souls of four heavy rock Gods, here to make their mark on the Earth. These souls embodied four newly born human beings, who would become like no other. They were born in seperate places in the county of England. Fate bought them together one day and they decided to use their musical talents to destroy the natural enemy of popular culture. That band, was Dip N' Sip, a band that has descended from the forefathers of Rock, to strike down with mighty fury and passion into the ears of the mortal. Tom, Michael, Chris, Alex. These were their human names, unknown to them of their Godly inhabitants, they will win over the musical majority and once again, Heavy Rock will be vitorious. "

Is my drummer not absolutely awesome for writing that? :P

[Nameless]

Something is really pissing me off at the minute. I looked at a link earlier in the thread (Specifically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5886Nb_psg) and them headbanging at the beginning made me laugh my head off. Since when did metal become a bunch of weaklings in tight skinny jeans, dyed black hair and headbanging ridiculously in sync. Man I hate scene kids.

Hey, I wear skinnies all the time, my hair is dyed black and I think headbanging in sync is awesome (though not like in that vid). Especially to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad5mzbNhAx4) song. I'm not a scene kid or anything, but insinuating that you hate someone because of their style is pretty insulting.

[Rescindment]

Meh, didn't mean to be personally insulting. Like I said, I hate the style. You might be an exception, but the majority of kids who dress like that, and more specifically, act like it, are scene kids. Don't take it personally when it's a general comment. The general comment is that metal is not supposed to be about how you look, what clothes you wear, but it's becoming more like that all the time - hell, I know alot of people who only like Bring me the Horizon because of Oli Sykes' hair. That, fundamentally, is what pisses me off, so apologies if that offended you.

That song was pretty epic btw.

[Nameless]

Meh, didn't mean to be personally insulting. Like I said, I hate the style. You might be an exception, but the majority of kids who dress like that, and more specifically, act like it, are scene kids. Don't take it personally when it's a general comment. The general comment is that metal is not supposed to be about how you look, what clothes you wear, but it's becoming more like that all the time - hell, I know alot of people who only like Bring me the Horizon because of Oli Sykes' hair. That, fundamentally, is what pisses me off, so apologies if that offended you.

That song was pretty epic btw.

Actually, a lot of Metal is about image as well as music. Alice Cooper, Kiss, Slipknot, Lordi, Deathstars, MM, Motley Cru, Turisas... even ManOWar to some extent.
But yeah, I agree with on the last part.. Anyway, Oli's... Well, we all know what he's like. :smalltongue:

[zeratul]

Actually, a lot of Metal is about image as well as music. Alice Cooper, Kiss, Slipknot, Lordi, Deathstars, MM, Motley Cru, Turisas... even ManOWar to some extent.
But yeah, I agree with on the last part.. Anyway, Oli's... Well, we all know what he's like. :smalltongue:

That has more to do with the bands than with the fans though. Part of being a metal fan is that you don't need to look metal in order to be accepted into the general community. While some people are really into the whole metal fashion thing because they like the clothes and all that, some people just prefer to look normal and have metal merely be the type of music they listen to which is fine. You don't have to have long hair and spiked gauntlets to be metal, it just makes you easier to identify. You nameless for example sort of look like a scene kid but are in fact a metalhead, so it's a case of mistaken identity, but you've sort of got to expect that that's gonna happen if your style is so similar.

On the scene kids note, yeah they're really annoying, we got a huge influx of them in my school this year and my urge to punch people in the face has gone up exponentially. There was some kid talking about how Metallica sucked and Godsmack (that's right godsmack, the band that started off as an alice in chains cover band then forgot to change their sound when they supposedly became a real band) was way better, then went on this huge thing about how he listens to "real" heavy music like cannibal corpse.

:smallfurious:
I wasn't actually in the room at the time which is good because were I that could easily have escalated into my first fight of my school career, I am very happy not to be in any classes with these kids.

[Nameless]

That has more to do with the bands than with the fans though. Part of being a metal fan is that you don't need to look metal in order to be accepted into the general community. While some people are really into the whole metal fashion thing because they like the clothes and all that, some people just prefer to look normal and have metal merely be the type of music they listen to which is fine. You don't have to have long hair and spiked gauntlets to be metal, it just makes you easier to identify. You nameless for example sort of look like a scene kid but are in fact a metalhead, so it's a case of mistaken identity, but you've sort of got to expect that that's gonna happen if your style is so similar.


Oh yeah? Would a Scene Kid do this?!

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157309858_641229858_2742837_2063613_n.jpg

I think NOT! :smallcool:

[DraPrime]

Oh yeah? Would a Scene Kid do this?!

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157309858_641229858_2742837_2063613_n.jpg

I think NOT! :smallcool:

I think so. A tr00 metalhead would have a V shaped guitar :smalltongue:

[Mythestopheles]

Oh yeah? Would a Scene Kid do this?!

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157309858_641229858_2742837_2063613_n.jpg

I think NOT! :smallcool:

I have to admit, that's awsome. :smallbiggrin:

[Nameless]

I think so. A tr00 metalhead would have a V shaped guitar :smalltongue:


http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs102.snc1/5010_109913344858_641229858_2757683_5824252_n.jpg

[Mythestopheles]

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs102.snc1/5010_109913344858_641229858_2757683_5824252_n.jpg

This made me laugh out loud. Awsome.

[Nameless]

This made me laugh out loud. Awsome.

I have more. :smallcool:

[Mythestopheles]

I have more. :smallcool:

Intriguing, I wish to learn more.

[DraPrime]

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs102.snc1/5010_109913344858_641229858_2757683_5824252_n.jpg

:smallamused:

Well played Nameless. Well played indeed. What other pictures like this do you have?

[Nameless]

I'm pretty sure I've posted these already actually, they're from 2009's LIMS festival in May.

Anyway:


Mega-drum.
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157299858_641229858_2742835_4354653_n.jpg

Geetar:
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157304858_641229858_2742836_3640394_n.jpg

Mega-amp:
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109157314858_641229858_2742838_7495099_n.jpg

Many geetarz:
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109157324858_641229858_2742839_339039_n.jpg

Most awesome shredders EVER:
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109158349858_641229858_2742919_7405041_n.jpg

Mega-bass:
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109158374858_641229858_2742923_6559014_n.jpg

Niko McBrain's new band playing with Steve Vai:
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109159024858_641229858_2742949_1417354_n.jpg

[DraPrime]

I'm pretty sure I've posted these already actually, they're from 2009's LIMS festival in May.

Anyway:


Mega-drum.
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157299858_641229858_2742835_4354653_n.jpg

Geetar:
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157304858_641229858_2742836_3640394_n.jpg

Mega-amp:
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109157314858_641229858_2742838_7495099_n.jpg

Many geetarz:
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109157324858_641229858_2742839_339039_n.jpg

Most awesome shredders EVER:
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109158349858_641229858_2742919_7405041_n.jpg

Mega-bass:
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109158374858_641229858_2742923_6559014_n.jpg

Niko McBrain's new band playing with Steve Vai:
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs090.snc1/4650_109159024858_641229858_2742949_1417354_n.jpg



That mega-bass is so awesome looking. It's so beautiful.

[zeratul]

Oh yeah? Would a Scene Kid do this?!

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs110.snc1/4650_109157309858_641229858_2742837_2063613_n.jpg

I think NOT! :smallcool:

Oh I'm well aware you're not a scene kid just saying you kind of look like one (allthough only kind of).

Also those pictures gain you SO MANY metal points, somewhere randy and dimebag are smiling. :smalltongue:

[Nameless]

Oh I'm well aware you're not a scene kid just saying you kind of look like one (allthough only kind of).

Also those pictures gain you SO MANY metal points, somewhere randy and dimebag are smiling. :smalltongue:

Really? Because looking at the poster of Dimebag on my wall, he looks like he's crying. ._.

[DraPrime]

Really? Because looking at the poster of Dimebag on my wall, he looks like he's crying. ._.

That's because being shot to death really hurts.

[Zocelot]

So, I am very curious about the answer to a question I have. When you listen to harsh vocals, can you understand all the lyrics without looking them up? Personally, I started being barely able to decipher clean vocals, but I have made progress and can understand some harsh vocals, although it depends on the singer.

[Nameless]

So, I am very curious about the answer to a question I have. When you listen to harsh vocals, can you understand all the lyrics without looking them up? Personally, I started being barely able to decipher clean vocals, but I have made progress and can understand some harsh vocals, although it depends on the singer.

Deppends. sometimes yay, other times nay.

@DP: Ah, makes sense. :P

[SurlySeraph]

So, I am very curious about the answer to a question I have. When you listen to harsh vocals, can you understand all the lyrics without looking them up? Personally, I started being barely able to decipher clean vocals, but I have made progress and can understand some harsh vocals, although it depends on the singer.

It really depends on the singer, and you definitely gotten better at deciphering them over time. Norther, Arch Enemy, and In Flames are pretty clear to me. With Amon Amarth, Bolt Thrower, and Morbid Angel, I get maybe 50%. With stuff I rarely listen to like Napalm Death and Cannibal Corpse, sometimes I can make out the chorus but that's about it.

[DraPrime]

Surly's correct. It really depends on the vocalist. It also depends on the sound quality. If you've got your standard black metal production where it sounds like the music is being played from inside someone's rectum, you won't understand much. If there's good production, it's gonna make more sense.

[Decoy Lockbox]

So, I am very curious about the answer to a question I have. When you listen to harsh vocals, can you understand all the lyrics without looking them up? Personally, I started being barely able to decipher clean vocals, but I have made progress and can understand some harsh vocals, although it depends on the singer.

It gets easier over time, but there are some bands (like Cryptopsy's w/ Lord Worm) where its pretty much impossible.

So I didn't used to like Children of Bodom, and now I can't stop listening to them. Maybye the stress of finals week has finally caused me to snap.

[Rescindment]

Well people tend to forget that harsh vocals (screaming) isn't about making as loud a noise as you can, incoherently and downright annoyingly. It actually takes some skill to scream and make sense.

[Astrella]

My favourite groups at the moment are Epica, Within Temptation and Nightwish. (All symphonic metal I guess) Anyone got some similar styled band recommendation or other groups that might appeal to me?

[DraPrime]

My favourite groups at the moment are Epica, Within Temptation and Nightwish. (All symphonic metal I guess) Anyone got some similar styled band recommendation or other groups that might appeal to me?

First of all, if you don't listen to Blind Guardian yet, go listen to them.

Now then, Therion is a good band. They started out as progressive death metal, but after a few albums they progressed onto pure symphonic metal, with songs like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-EOYJQMMY) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6h84W8qz0I).

Virgin Steele is a pretty sweet American power metal band. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Wkatl6nnw) is a good song with a nice symphonic intro.

Next there's Rhapsody, an Italian band. Holy Thunderforce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxjcSyIXHc) is one of their better songs, although Unholy Warcry is also pretty awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEMeBTmiX4g)

Now there's also Turisas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWO7iJZXDA). Technically, they're more folk metal, but they have a good amount of symphonic influences. Besides, they just rule. And this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkBs0VCSX0)is pretty catchy, even though it's not symphonic.

I hope this helps.

[ex cathedra]

Also, Ayreon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIqRsl8Vm-Q).

[Astrella]

First of all, if you don't listen to Blind Guardian yet, go listen to them.

Now then, Therion is a good band. They started out as progressive death metal, but after a few albums they progressed onto pure symphonic metal, with songs like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-EOYJQMMY) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6h84W8qz0I).

Virgin Steele is a pretty sweet American power metal band. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Wkatl6nnw) is a good song with a nice symphonic intro.

Next there's Rhapsody, an Italian band. Holy Thunderforce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxjcSyIXHc) is one of their better songs, although Unholy Warcry is also pretty awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEMeBTmiX4g)

Now there's also Turisas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWO7iJZXDA). Technically, they're more folk metal, but they have a good amount of symphonic influences. Besides, they just rule. And this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkBs0VCSX0)is pretty catchy, even though it's not symphonic.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check up out tomorrow. Folk metal would appeal to me as well I think. I like Blackmore's Night for example. (though not really metal)

[Decoy Lockbox]

Yeah, Virgin Steele is the way to go, and Ayreon is amazing too. You'd probably enjoy Therion mid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc-Bs8UJ-Go) to late (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tj_MtQrE2I) period works rather than their earlier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTycXs9VHRk) stuff, but if you can handle harsh vocals, you will be rewarded. Based on the bands you listed, I'd give Fairyland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIVgH-oBIQ&feature=related), Kamelot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGF3D-oL30) and Dark Moor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbol84KDqb8) a listen. If you can stand harsh vocals, you could look into Limbonic Art (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EgzjOpyRs) or Emperor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ks29jnKD4o) and Children of Bodom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_sXHtTtcc). If you can stand vocals that sound like a train whistle, and the idea of a concept album written in latin about an alternate-history Middle Earth in which Sauron wins, try Nazgul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qh0sNeO__w).

Speaking of harsh vocals, if a band is going to use them, I'd almost rather they be incomprehensible. If you want to be understood, might as well sing right?

[Nameless]

Yeah, Virgin Steele is the way to go, and Ayreon is amazing too. You'd probably enjoy Therion mid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc-Bs8UJ-Go) to late (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tj_MtQrE2I) period works rather than their earlier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTycXs9VHRk) stuff, but if you can handle harsh vocals, you will be rewarded. Based on the bands you listed, I'd give Fairyland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIVgH-oBIQ&feature=related), Kamelot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGF3D-oL30) and Dark Moor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbol84KDqb8) a listen. If you can stand harsh vocals, you could look into Limbonic Art (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EgzjOpyRs) or Emperor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ks29jnKD4o) and Children of Bodom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_sXHtTtcc). If you can stand vocals that sound like a train whistle, and the idea of a concept album written in latin about an alternate-history Middle Earth in which Sauron wins, try Nazgul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qh0sNeO__w).

Speaking of harsh vocals, if a band is going to use them, I'd almost rather they be incomprehensible. If you want to be understood, might as well sing right?


Also, based on that list, I would like to add Elvenking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Jv2vAauaA) to the clean vocals list and Norther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUwkvx4EZhA) to the harsh vocals list if they haven't been mentioned.
Also (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTItd7y10qM)

[zeratul]

My favourite groups at the moment are Epica, Within Temptation and Nightwish. (All symphonic metal I guess) Anyone got some similar styled band recommendation or other groups that might appeal to me?

If you like symphonic stuff, one band I would recommend is Cradle of Filth, specifically the albums Godspeed on the Devils Thunder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILHXcQ8Ka4E), Midian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ZJqqrr6jk), and Cruelty and the Beast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvn_h_CjffU&feature=related). The stuff from those albums is great symphonic black metal, particularly if you like horror/romantic era literature. Turisas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBIr3Vx16w) is another great band that uses symphonic stuff, as well as Dimmu Borgir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAmMcBQavKE)

[Zocelot]

I recently started listening to Ayreon, and although I liked them a lot to start, my opinion of them has gone downhill. I think they're prog metal, which isn't my favorite genre to start, and I'm a shuffle guy so concept albums lose some of their meaning.

[DraPrime]

I recently started listening to Ayreon, and although I liked them a lot to start, my opinion of them has gone downhill. I think they're prog metal, which isn't my favorite genre to start, and I'm a shuffle guy so concept albums lose some of their meaning.

Well sometimes you gotta turn off that shuffle. On truly great concept albums, listening to the whole thing is a journey. When it's over, you just think "HOLY S***T THAT WAS AWESOME!"

And if it was a double album, and you got through it, it just makes it feel like some huge epic journey. This of course, is only if the album is good. Bad concept albums fail at this.

[Decoy Lockbox]

I recently started listening to Ayreon, and although I liked them a lot to start, my opinion of them has gone downhill. I think they're prog metal, which isn't my favorite genre to start, and I'm a shuffle guy so concept albums lose some of their meaning.

I compulsively listen to albums from start to end, so this is a problem I don't normally have.

Has anyone listened to the new Cobalt album? I gave it a listen last night and it was...unique.

[Killer Angel]

If you like symphonic stuff, one band I would recommend is Cradle of Filth

Sirroelivan, if you like Zeratul's suggestions, don't forget to check imo CoF best album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKmEky7SPIQ).
Also, when we speak 'bout symphonic metal, I'm never tired to remember Therion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqLYjRn--GI&feature=related).

Edit: Dragonprime already mentioned Therion :smallredface:. Oh, well, my point still stands.


AAANNND NOW, SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT:

Big four (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=602847) on tour! It appears it's official (http://pl.sonispherefestivals.com/).

[DraPrime]

Sirroelivan, if you like Zeratul's suggestions, don't forget to check imo CoF best album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKmEky7SPIQ).
Also, when we speak 'bout symphonic metal, I'm never tired to remember Therion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqLYjRn--GI&feature=related).

Edit: Dragonprime already mentioned Therion :smallredface:. Oh, well, my point still stands.


AAANNND NOW, SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT:

Big four (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=602847) on tour! It appears it's official (http://pl.sonispherefestivals.com/).

Well it's not really a tour. It's just two festival dates.

[Killer Angel]

Well it's not really a tour. It's just two festival dates.

If I've understood right, 2 dates are confirmed, but other shows are on preparation...

[DraPrime]

If I've understood right, 2 dates are confirmed, but other shows are on preparation...

Well it's kinda implied, but we don't really know. Could just be more Sonisphere dates.

[AshDesert]

So, surfing the Youtubes, I think I have may have found the weirdest video I've ever seen. Look if you dare (although most of you guys have probably already seen it), it is Black Sabbath - Blue Suede Shoes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uryWJ1T1q4). Yes, the Elvis song (although Elvis didn't write it, Carl Perkins did. But then, Elvis didn't write any of his songs, but he's still the best known singer of them).

[Klose_the_Sith]

For those who noticed my previous post - yes I was referring to how the people of England are pretty much nothing but derros, with metalheads an endangered species here (coupled with decent CD shops :smallannoyed:).

Anyway, did anyone hear the new Krallice/Nile/Obituary albums? Cause I noted in my top list for 09 that I hadn't gotten them through yet and they had good chances of knocking my selection around.

So what do we think of them? Or do we think nothing of them at all cause everyone here is as lazy as me?


I compulsively listen to albums from start to end, so this is a problem I don't normally have.

I don't do it compulsively, but I do it nigh constantly to evaluate either new albums, or my tastes and consequent opinions have changed. That or I'll put a Hammerfall album on loop if I'm gonna play AOE 2 on a LAN (still doin' it after all these years :smallcool:).

[derfos]

Speaking of harsh vocals, if a band is going to use them, I'd almost rather they be incomprehensible. If you want to be understood, might as well sing right?

I don't know about this... At the end of the day, the vocals (harsh or clean) are just another instrument, and lyrics are a bonus on both. I think many of us listen to some music that is in languages we don't understand (which is essentially the same as incomprehensible vocals), but that doesn't take away from them. I think the choice between harsh and clean shouldn't be a lyric one but a musical one: Which one sounds better with the music you're playing? I can't understand most early nightwish lyrics, but that doesn't mean I'd rather have them growl them to me. And Cryptopsy has some pretty awesome lyrics, but the moment they started singing (Unspoken King) I was very angry.

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As per the Krallice/Nile/Obituary albums: I don't know Krallice and I don't like Obituary so I won't comment. Nile was, as always, awesome. Not their best album, but definitely worth the listen. The opening track just hooks me in...

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Albums or Playlists? The age old debate. I do both. Sometimes I just feel like listening to a black metal album (which I find often doesn't fit well in a playlist). Most of my playlists consist of mostly Melodeath and Power Metal, which just fit well in the playlist format. On the other hand, albums like Moonsorrow's Verisakeet need to be listened to all at once...

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Sorry for all the breaks, I don't check this forum very often so when I do I have a lot to say.

[Myatar_Panwar]

I will usually get an album and listen to it for a week or two straight, and then move on to the next album. Any time in-between is usually in shuffle land.

[Makensha]

I don't know about this... At the end of the day, the vocals (harsh or clean) are just another instrument, and lyrics are a bonus on both. I think many of us listen to some music that is in languages we don't understand (which is essentially the same as incomprehensible vocals), but that doesn't take away from them. I think the choice between harsh and clean shouldn't be a lyric one but a musical one: Which one sounds better with the music you're playing?


I definitely have to disagree with you on the vocals being just another instrument. What's the point of a song if there is no point? If the song has no meaning to get from it, can it really be a great song? Certainly it can be a good song, but if you end a song thinking "that solo was insane!" all you've gotten out of it was four minutes (yeah, I know not all songs are four minutes) of entertainment, kinda like going to an action movie. Vocals give a song reason to be contemplated. Yes they are another instrument, but they have a power nothing else has.

I do agree with the harsh vocals concept. They're very much a musical styling similar to how you might distort a guitar. Of course, sometimes you got to switch to your clean patch...

[Decoy Lockbox]

I definitely have to disagree with you on the vocals being just another instrument. What's the point of a song if there is no point? If the song has no meaning to get from it, can it really be a great song? Certainly it can be a good song, but if you end a song thinking "that solo was insane!" all you've gotten out of it was four minutes (yeah, I know not all songs are four minutes) of entertainment, kinda like going to an action movie. Vocals give a song reason to be contemplated. Yes they are another instrument, but they have a power nothing else has.

I do agree with the harsh vocals concept. They're very much a musical styling similar to how you might distort a guitar. Of course, sometimes you got to switch to your clean patch...

Because we all know classical music is "pointless", right?

[Whoracle]

[...]Vocals give a song reason to be contemplated. Yes they are another instrument, but they have a power nothing else has.[...]

Then you might as well read the lyrics as poems and cut out the middle man, right?

Just from my experience: I have heard a lot of songs with rather stupid lyrics, but the melodies carried so much emotion that the lyrics didn't really weigh in. It goes both ways.

[Whoracle]

I thought about editing my previous post, but then decided that this warranted a post all of its own.

I'd like to introduce you, Metalheads in the Playground, to the awesomeness that is The Crown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG9mRQZEcec).
Sadly, they're defunct.

Or rather, have been.

That's right, The Crown have reformed. With a new vocalist that sounds promising as hell.

Check out the Samples on their official Homepage (http://www.thecrownofficial.com).

I'm bursting with glee \m/

[Klose_the_Sith]

As per the Krallice/Nile/Obituary albums: I don't know Krallice and I don't like Obituary so I won't comment. Nile was, as always, awesome. Not their best album, but definitely worth the listen. The opening track just hooks me in...

If you don't know Krallice then you deserve to be corrected. Go off and youtube "Krallice ~ Energy Chasms". Seriously.

As for the whole Obituary thing, I pretty much know what you mean. They endlessly bored me at first, but then they started having this really weird draw. Now their riffs are pretty much the most powerful hypnotic force on earth, at least where I'm concerned. If you listen to songs like 'The End Complete' or 'Sickness' (Same album O:) then you might see what I mean in how those riffs can become hypnotic.

Anyway, it's your choice just thought you might as well know that I fully understand not liking Obituary :smallsmile:


Because we all know classical music is "pointless", right?

Yes, yes it is. It's pure ambience and nothing more :smallwink:

[bloodlover]

Any good NWBHM bands that I am missing except Def Leppard . Diamond Head . Iron Maiden, Judas Priest , Motorhead ,Saxon ? O.o I am tired of black metal T_T

[Makensha]

Because we all know classical music is "pointless", right?

While I do believe there is good classical music capable of evoking emotions in the listener, in the end all it is is emotions. For instance, lets say there comes some part that makes you feel sad. Well now you're sad, but why? What's the point in making you sad? Unless the composer explains beforehand why he wrote the piece, to the listener it is emotions, and emotions don't last.


Then you might as well read the lyrics as poems and cut out the middle man, right?

Just from my experience: I have heard a lot of songs with rather stupid lyrics, but the melodies carried so much emotion that the lyrics didn't really weigh in. It goes both ways.

Musical lyric composition certainly has a great deal of similarities between poems because they are essentially poems being sung with an instrumental accompaniment. I'm not saying that we should just read poems, but as you and I have said earlier music carries emotions. The instrumental part and the lyrical singing work together to give you a very emotional piece with meaningful lyrics. Kinda like car where the lyrics are the engine and everything else is built around it. The engine by itself isn't particularly effective without the rest of the car, and the rest of the car isn't going to get to far with lyrics. Obviously this isn't a perfect example as you can go pretty far with an instrumental piece, but I believe that a truly great song requires great lyrics.

[Tawmis]

For some excellent metal bands, first and foremost, I'd go with...

Savatage. (http://www.savatage.com/) To this day, still my favorite band, though officially now broken up. Perhaps the most talented and underrated bands to ever exist. Ever. Criss Oliva, their original guitarist who passed after a drunk driver slammed into his car, head on - was not even human on the guitar. The sound he generated was amazing.

From there, I'd recommend Jon Oliva's Pain (http://jonoliva.net/index2.html) - original vocalist of Savatage, he's made his own band. The amazing thing is - it's a mixture of new music, as well as finding old music that he and Criss wrote together a long time ago, and had been stuffed away in a closet and forgotten. They have even "redone" some of their older songs from when they were the band "Avatar" (which predates Savatage).

CircleIICircle (http://www.crashsys.com/TomMcD/C2C/index1.html) is next. Zak was the vocalist who came into Savatage and replaced Jon after Jon left. Zak's vocals are very different than Jon's - but still pretty amazing none the less.

Machines of Grace (http://www.machinesofgrace.net/mg/) is a special project band that Zak does vocals for. Definitely worth checking out. They remind me of a modernized classic metal band.

Chris Caffery (http://www.chriscaffery.com/) also releases albums; he was the guitarist of Savatage. He's got a very unique sound to both his music and his vocals. You MUST check out the song "Pisses Me Off." If you don't love that song - you're simply not Metal!

Dream Theater (http://www.dreamtheater.net/) - Do I really have to explain Dream Theater?

If you like Dream Theater, you'd undoubtedly like Fates Warning (http://www.fateswarning.com/) - so give them a listen. Especially their CDs "Parallels" and "Perfect Symmetry" - which were in 1991 and 1989 - way, way, way, way ahead of their time. I believe there would be no Dream Theater without Fates Warning.

There's a mess of other bands - but figured I'd throw those out there.

[zeratul]

On the lyrics note I would say that lyrics have swayed me to like a band more or less, but I can still like a band with lyrics that aren't that good if the music is great. Bands like Blind Guardian and Cradle of Filth who have brilliantly written poetic lyrics generally interest me more than those who do not, but I also enjoy listening to korpiklaani and Tyr because I can get the emotions of a song without necessarily understanding the lyrics, this leads into my point on classical music


While I do believe there is good classical music capable of evoking emotions in the listener, in the end all it is is emotions. For instance, lets say there comes some part that makes you feel sad. Well now you're sad, but why? What's the point in making you sad? Unless the composer explains beforehand why he wrote the piece, to the listener it is emotions, and emotions don't last.


Classical music is effectively a blank slate which you can relate to whatever in your life experience it happens to attach to. A classical piece can mean many different things to many different people which is part of what makes it great. One song may make a person cry due to an association with a passed relative, while to another person it reminds them of That time they got drunk on Cancun because that song happened to be playing at the time. The fact that it does not have lyrics does not make it any less good, it simply removes one layer of the experience, while adding the ability for it to be meaningful to a much larger group of people than a song with a specific message.

[Whoracle]

*points to sig*

I am bored, so I made us a banner. If you'd like to use it, please right click -> save image as and then upload it to your own webspace. Else my traffic bill might skyrocket ;-)

[Makensha]

Classical music is effectively a blank slate which you can relate to whatever in your life experience it happens to attach to. A classical piece can mean many different things to many different people which is part of what makes it great. One song may make a person cry due to an association with a passed relative, while to another person it reminds them of That time they got drunk on Cancun because that song happened to be playing at the time. The fact that it does not have lyrics does not make it any less good, it simply removes one layer of the experience, while adding the ability for it to be meaningful to a much larger group of people than a song with a specific message.

I mostly agree, but in the end it is an appeal to emotions. The emotion comes from a past experience yes, but it is reliving an old emotion as one might walk through a neighborhood they grew up in. There is beauty in this but when it comes down to it, I just don't find a song made to evoke emotion to be great. Obviously not many people have the same response as I do, but that's just how I feel.

[Tawmis]

On the lyrics note I would say that lyrics have swayed me to like a band more or less

Please give SAVATAGE a listen then.

[Decoy Lockbox]

I mostly agree, but in the end it is an appeal to emotions. The emotion comes from a past experience yes, but it is reliving an old emotion as one might walk through a neighborhood they grew up in. There is beauty in this but when it comes down to it, I just don't find a song made to evoke emotion to be great. Obviously not many people have the same response as I do, but that's just how I feel.

So you can appeal to emotions with words, music, or both, its all good. I can say this though; I've enjoyed bands where I liked the music but not the lyrics, but I've never enjoyed a band where I liked the lyrics and disliked the music.

Speaking of bands, I can't stop listening to Samael's "Passage" album. The whole black metal + industrial-sounding drumming is just like candy for my ears. I'm not sure why I had never given them a listen before, but I really regret it.


Any good NWBHM bands that I am missing except Def Leppard . Diamond Head . Iron Maiden, Judas Priest , Motorhead ,Saxon ? O.o I am tired of black metal T_T

My NWOBHM collection is really small, so I'll just post the stuff in my collection that you didn't already list:
Blitzkrieg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll4Ij58497Q)
Satan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVzgKecnyFE) (same vocalist as Blitzkrieg)
Angel Witch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXZc9-mtFDk)
Atomkraft (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0dj4okow3Q)
Tank (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDf6crcY3i8)

and of course Venom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE--ehEUg5I). But you said no more black metal right :smallbiggrin:

[derfos]

So you can appeal to emotions with words, music, or both, its all good. I can say this though; I've enjoyed bands where I liked the music but not the lyrics, but I've never enjoyed a band where I liked the lyrics and disliked the music.


This pretty much sums up my opinions about lyrics. Good lyrics on a song are like good bass-lines in black metal. Sure they add something, but they're not necessary for the song to be good. To this whole 'lyrics carry a meaning that music can't', I say bull****. If anything, it's the other way around: Music can transmit any meaning you want, words are limited.

And for you classical music haters: Listen to Beethoven (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAOTCtW9v0M) or Tchaikovsky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLHj-eekdNU) and tell me that you've heard more powerful stuff... I consider these men to be the first metalheads, not just in the intensity of their music but also because of their attitude in life.

[SurlySeraph]

I... I think I'm starting to like black metal.

OK, so far it's just Celtic Frost, Behemoth, and a couple songs by Mayhem, but still. This is a significant change for me.

[Scorpina]

Any good NWBHM bands that I am missing except Def Leppard . Diamond Head . Iron Maiden, Judas Priest , Motorhead ,Saxon ? O.o I am tired of black metal T_T

Witchfinder General. It's awesome.

For example. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxAjkKTge8)

[Makensha]

...Music can transmit any meaning you want, words are limited.

And for you classical music haters: Listen to Beethoven (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAOTCtW9v0M) or Tchaikovsky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLHj-eekdNU) and tell me that you've heard more powerful stuff... I consider these men to be the first metalheads, not just in the intensity of their music but also because of their attitude in life.

First, the last thing I want to do is have harsh feelings between me and someone else. I think we can have an intelligent argument without cursing and name calling.

Second, you're exaggerating my feelings towards classical music. I do not "hate" classical music. I'm not a particularly partial to it, but I do respect it.

Third, I actually had two more points I was going to make, but in the end I think it's best we drop the subject here.

[derfos]

I didn't mean to come off as aggressive when I said 'haters'... I meant it in a more comedic sense than a real one, but I guess that's lost in the internet. My apologies. I actually am interested in hearing those two points you wanted to make, so I'll keep things civil and lets have a pleasant discussion rather than an argument.

---
SurlySeraph: Listen to Emperor. If you're looking for black metal, you can't go wrong with Emperor. And Immortal if you can stand the vocals (an acquired taste). Oh, and Bathory. But Emperor should probably be at the top of that list.

On the melodic black metal side, Bal Sagoth are probably your best call. Also, give Summoning a listen, pretty epic stuff.

[Decoy Lockbox]

I... I think I'm starting to like black metal.

OK, so far it's just Celtic Frost, Behemoth, and a couple songs by Mayhem, but still. This is a significant change for me.

Have you listened to Drudkh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMZxZ5Nm95U) before?

[Nameless]

I... I think I'm starting to like black metal.

OK, so far it's just Celtic Frost, Behemoth, and a couple songs by Mayhem, but still. This is a significant change for me.

Nameless' favourite Black Metal bands include:

Satyricon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdsKH3Qt8&feature=fvst)
Dimmu Borgir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9cqKafnUrk)
Sienbenburgen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JoL7-562Z0)
Mirzedah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgP1gGfdAsI)
Chthonic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66YNWi_nDL0)
Cradle of Filth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dW6aNAZGTM)

In other news. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5IpHczLeV8&feature=related)

[Blas_de_Lezo]

Ok. I will only give one advice for you, metalheads.

If you have the chance, go to see MINISTRY playing live. They will f***ing bang your head!!! :smallbiggrin:

[DraPrime]

*points to sig*

I am bored, so I made us a banner. If you'd like to use it, please right click -> save image as and then upload it to your own webspace. Else my traffic bill might skyrocket ;-)

Oooooh, nice banner. I think I'll put it in my sig soon. We all need to start using this thing.

[Makensha]

I didn't mean to come off as aggressive when I said 'haters'... I meant it in a more comedic sense than a real one, but I guess that's lost in the internet. My apologies. I actually am interested in hearing those two points you wanted to make, so I'll keep things civil and lets have a pleasant discussion rather than an argument.

Thank you for clarifying. Now back to the discussion. My two points?


...Music can transmit any meaning you want, words are limited.

And for you classical music haters: Listen to Beethoven (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAOTCtW9v0M) or Tchaikovsky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLHj-eekdNU) and tell me that you've heard more powerful stuff... I consider these men to be the first metalheads, not just in the intensity of their music but also because of their attitude in life.

First, about that last sentence from your first paragraph. If music can transmit any meaning you want, then could you explain how you would show that classical composers were the first metalheads through an instrumental piece? Sure, you could play the whole composition with distorted guitars, but to a listener it just sounds like a cover.

Second, I personally know a piece that is more powerful to me. It probably won't mean much to you, but just from my life's experiences, Timothy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CGIf6IIPw) (Song is twelve minutes, so Youtube went Snip Snip to one of the best parts in the song) is the most powerful song I've ever heard.

[Killer Angel]

SurlySeraph: Listen to Emperor. If you're looking for black metal, you can't go wrong with Emperor. And Immortal if you can stand the vocals (an acquired taste). Oh, and Bathory. But Emperor should probably be at the top of that list.


Debatably, depends on personal tastes. I know Emperor are the Must Have for black metal, but I don't like 'em, while I'm all for Immortal.
And I'm also for CoF and Dimmu (even if their sound probably cannot be considered "classic" black metal)

[Mythestopheles]

*points to sig*

I am bored, so I made us a banner. If you'd like to use it, please right click -> save image as and then upload it to your own webspace. Else my traffic bill might skyrocket ;-)

Looks good, I'll probably put it in my sig in a bit.

[DraPrime]

Cradle of Filth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dW6aNAZGTM)

*ahem*

THEY ARE NOT BLACK METAL.

[Nameless]

*ahem*

THEY ARE NOT BLACK METAL.

I choose to avoid getting into this discussion. :smalltongue:

[DraPrime]

I choose to avoid getting into this discussion. :smalltongue:

I accept your gracious surrender. :smallbiggrin:

[zeratul]

I accept your gracious surrender. :smallbiggrin:

They're pretty of black metal (at least as much so as Dimmu Borgir I'd say), but it varies album to album and song to song, that's why its best to just call them "Extreme" metal so everyone shuts up about it.

[DraPrime]

They're pretty of black metal (at least as much so as Dimmu Borgir I'd say), but it varies album to album and song to song, that's why its best to just call them "Extreme" metal so everyone shuts up about it.

Nitpickers (such as me) would point out that they're extreme "gothic" metal. :smalltongue:

[zeratul]

Nitpickers (such as me) would point out that they're extreme "gothic" metal. :smalltongue:

they're only as gothic metal as they are black metal (less so actually). Extreme gothic metal would apply on thronography, symphonic black metal would apply on Godspeed on the Devils thunder and cruelty and the beast, symphonic extreme metal would be Midian, just "extreme metal" works for Bitter Suites to Succubi, and Damnation and a Day, and their first couple albums are straight up black metal for the most part.

It's a common misconception that symphonic and gothic metal are the same thing, when in fact on the male side of the genre they're hardly even related. Many of the female fronted "gothic metal" bands incorporate symhponic elements, but none of the male fronted ones do as far as I know

[Nameless]

In other news; HOLY SON OF A COCKEREL THIS IS AWESOME! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NMMqCvlosE&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-3-HM) I believe that the singer in this band is now the new singer for Norther.

[Decoy Lockbox]

Does anyone know where I can get some more Dead Raven Choir (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vdRTQo39YE) albums?

[Zocelot]

In other news; HOLY SON OF A COCKEREL THIS IS AWESOME! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NMMqCvlosE&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-3-HM) I believe that the singer in this band is now the new singer for Norther.

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksi_Sihvonen), the vocalist is one and the same.

Also, Imperanon is mind blowingly incredible. Too bad they broke up after a single album. I'm not a fan of the non-harsh vocals in Shadowsouls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgCeDwKXDU) and the one other song (can't remember which) that also has the same type of vocals, but even those songs are good.

[derfos]

they're only as gothic metal as they are black metal (less so actually). Extreme gothic metal would apply on thronography, symphonic black metal would apply on Godspeed on the Devils thunder and cruelty and the beast, symphonic extreme metal would be Midian, just "extreme metal" works for Bitter Suites to Succubi, and Damnation and a Day, and their first couple albums are straight up black metal for the most part.

It's a common misconception that symphonic and gothic metal are the same thing, when in fact on the male side of the genre they're hardly even related. Many of the female fronted "gothic metal" bands incorporate symhponic elements, but none of the male fronted ones do as far as I know

I call Cradle of Filth "Gothic Metal with Extreme Vocals". Why? Because other than the vocals, there is nothing extreme about the band (this isn't necessarily a bad thing). I like a band called Crimfall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbegRUPd5I). They have extreme vocals, but the band itself is not extreme (it's just folk/power metal). Same goes for Cradle of Filth. They have a gothic look, a gothic sound and a gothic fanbase. Ergo, Gothic Metal.

I think the term "black metal" is tossed around very loosely nowadays. Just because someone is screaming in the style of black metal doesn't mean the word "black" needs to be added to their genre. There's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHC9w7pCIMQ) other (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtK_AEvWuA) bands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x7tK7rolqg) that use high pitched screaming and are not black metal. You need more than just screams here and there to be called black metal. Bands like Impaled Nazarene or Cradle of Filth get labelled as black metal when there isn't a single black metal riff in their arsenal. I know "Extreme" metal sounds cheesy, but we can't keep calling everything with a scream black and get away with it.

[zeratul]

I call Cradle of Filth "Gothic Metal with Extreme Vocals". Why? Because other than the vocals, there is nothing extreme about the band (this isn't necessarily a bad thing). I like a band called Crimfall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbegRUPd5I). They have extreme vocals, but the band itself is not extreme (it's just folk/power metal). Same goes for Cradle of Filth. They have a gothic look, a gothic sound and a gothic fanbase. Ergo, Gothic Metal.

I think the term "black metal" is tossed around very loosely nowadays. Just because someone is screaming in the style of black metal doesn't mean the word "black" needs to be added to their genre. There's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHC9w7pCIMQ) other (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtK_AEvWuA) bands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x7tK7rolqg) that use high pitched screaming and are not black metal. You need more than just screams here and there to be called black metal. Bands like Impaled Nazarene or Cradle of Filth get labelled as black metal when there isn't a single black metal riff in their arsenal. I know "Extreme" metal sounds cheesy, but we can't keep calling everything with a scream black and get away with it.

Yes but depending on the album it's not just the screaming that's in the black metal style (they use the blast beat very frequently for example). As to the gothic part

Gothic Look: Yeah that's true, they're a fairly gothy looking band although with elements of black metal (the two looks are very similar)

Gothic Sound: on sub albums? yes on other albums? not at all. For instance while you could say Midian, Thornography and Nymphetamine have a decent amount of gothic metal elements, Godspeed and their first few albums aren't really gothic at all in terms of sound.

Gothic fanbase: If you're talking about regular "goths" as opposed to "gothic metal fans" As far as I know there isn't much of an overlap between people who listen to Cruxshadows and Bauhaus as well as cradle of filth. As for gothic metal, Sentenced and My Dying Bride may very well have similar fanbases but I'm not really sure

[DraPrime]

Yes but depending on the album it's not just the screaming that's in the black metal style (they use the blast beat very frequently for example). As to the gothic part

Yeah, but the blast beat is hardly an exclusively black metal thing. It is plainly featured in genres such as grindcore and death metal. In fact, I'm pretty sure some grindcore drummers can quite literally sh*t blast beats. It destroys all toilets.

[zeratul]

Yeah, but the blast beat is hardly an exclusively black metal thing. It is plainly featured in genres such as grindcore and death metal. In fact, I'm pretty sure some grindcore drummers can quite literally sh*t blast beats. It destroys all toilets.

True, it has been used in other genres of metal, but it is used prominently in black metal. Gothic Metal on the other hand has no blast beats.

[Decoy Lockbox]

I call Cradle of Filth "Gothic Metal with Extreme Vocals". Why? Because other than the vocals, there is nothing extreme about the band (this isn't necessarily a bad thing). I like a band called Crimfall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbegRUPd5I). They have extreme vocals, but the band itself is not extreme (it's just folk/power metal). Same goes for Cradle of Filth. They have a gothic look, a gothic sound and a gothic fanbase. Ergo, Gothic Metal.

Ah, this old chestnut. See, it doesn't really matter what you call CoF, because the subgenre in which they reside is called terrible music.

Has anyone listened to the new Devin Townsend album? Its...unique. I guess that's the word I would use to describe it. I had to occasionally remind myself that I was listening to Devin. Overall I liked it though. Some of the songs didn't really jive all that well with me, but most of them were great.

[Raistlin1040]

I like that I just beat Brutal Legend and now I actually know what bands you guys are talking about >.>
<.<
This is all I have to add to this thread.

[DraPrime]

I like that I just beat Brutal Legend and now I actually know what bands you guys are talking about >.>
<.<
This is all I have to add to this thread.

Congratulations. Did you like these bands, and would you like to hear more?

[Raistlin1040]

I liked some of them well enough. I already knew all of the huge ones, Sabbath/Ozzy, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Motley Crue, etc. But there were some that I didn't know, or was only vaguely aware of, that I enjoyed. List in spoilers following.

Diamond Head
Lita Ford
Girlschool
Metal Church
Crimson Glory
Iced Earth
Riot
UFO
Those are all bands that I think I'll like most of their stuff, if it's anything like what I heard. The bands in the next spoiler I liked the song(s) they had in the game, but I'm unsure of if that's a real accurate representation of what they are really like.

Brocas Helm
Dark Tranquility
Enslaved (Granted, it was an instrumental, and a metalhead friend of mine says their vocals are...er...not my thing)
King Diamond
The biggest generalizations I can make is that I do not like growling vocals. Screams are okay, if they're used in moderation. Speed is fine, but obsessive double bass drumming is something I can't stand. For guitars, I prefer notes over speed. I would much rather hear a slow, beautiful riff over an outrageously fast one that slams the notes together. Because I like note clarity, I prefer that the distortion not be insane, at least not when the notes are important, like during a solo.

[Decoy Lockbox]

Since King Diamond's stuff is pretty consistent from record to record, you will probably like his music. Best of all, the band he performed in prior to starting his own (Mercyful Fate) has some killer songs too. This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naE1D3L0GEA) is my favorite.

[Nameless]

Yeah, but the blast beat is hardly an exclusively black metal thing. It is plainly featured in genres such as grindcore and death metal. In fact, I'm pretty sure some grindcore drummers can quite literally sh*t blast beats. It destroys all toilets.

Black Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0f5fxDEgE&feature=related)

[DraPrime]

I liked some of them well enough. I already knew all of the huge ones, Sabbath/Ozzy, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Motley Crue, etc. But there were some that I didn't know, or was only vaguely aware of, that I enjoyed. List in spoilers following.

Diamond Head
Lita Ford
Girlschool
Metal Church
Crimson Glory
Iced Earth
Riot
UFO
Those are all bands that I think I'll like most of their stuff, if it's anything like what I heard. The bands in the next spoiler I liked the song(s) they had in the game, but I'm unsure of if that's a real accurate representation of what they are really like.

Brocas Helm
Dark Tranquility
Enslaved (Granted, it was an instrumental, and a metalhead friend of mine says their vocals are...er...not my thing)
King Diamond
The biggest generalizations I can make is that I do not like growling vocals. Screams are okay, if they're used in moderation. Speed is fine, but obsessive double bass drumming is something I can't stand. For guitars, I prefer notes over speed. I would much rather hear a slow, beautiful riff over an outrageously fast one that slams the notes together. Because I like note clarity, I prefer that the distortion not be insane, at least not when the notes are important, like during a solo.

For Iced Earth, there's several approaches. You can go with their older stuff, which was more thrashy and aggressive, or with their newer stuff, which is somewhat more tame.

Early Iced Earth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7iGMlFXKBw)
Middle-era Iced Earth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGzmXUCnxrE)
Newer Iced Earth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x82mPcpBByM)

As for Metal Church, just check out one of their early albums, such as their self titled one.

Now, I agree with Decoy Lockbox saying that most of King Crimson's stuff is good. Abigail is one of his best albums. Check out some songs from it.


Black Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0f5fxDEgE&feature=related)

Where?

[Lord of the Helms]

As for Metal Church, just check out one of their early albums, such as their self titled one.


Actually, as far as Metal Church goes - well, you can't really go wrong at all, but you can go even less wrong with anything they did in the 80s and 90s. The old stuff with their first vocalist was nice, but when they got Mike Howe, who really was in a completely different league (namely the Dickinson/Halford/Tate/Conklin-type "Oh great almighty Dio, how can there be this much awesome?" league), they really hit it off.
Their newer albums are also very listenable, just not nearly up to the awesomeness of their previous works, in that "Killing the Dragon compared to Sacred Heart or Holy Diver" kind of way.


Als, anyone else already excited for next year's Wacken? Maiden (haven't seen them for way too long), Alice Cooper (was great when I saw him supporting the Scorpions this year), Reiter (always awesome), Edguy (ditto), W.A.S.P. (hope Blackie's still got it), Tyr (again, always awesome), Grave Digger, Primal Fear and U.D.O. (all nice), plus some stuff I've waited quite a while to see like Orphaned Land, Mötley Crüe and Amorphis. Looks like good times already, and we're only halfway through the bands so far :smallcool:



I liked some of them well enough. I already knew all of the huge ones, Sabbath/Ozzy, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Motley Crue, etc. But there were some that I didn't know, or was only vaguely aware of, that I enjoyed. List in spoilers following.

Diamond Head
Lita Ford
Girlschool
Metal Church
Crimson Glory
Iced Earth
Riot
UFO
Those are all bands that I think I'll like most of their stuff, if it's anything like what I heard. The bands in the next spoiler I liked the song(s) they had in the game, but I'm unsure of if that's a real accurate representation of what they are really like.

Brocas Helm
Dark Tranquility
Enslaved (Granted, it was an instrumental, and a metalhead friend of mine says their vocals are...er...not my thing)
King Diamond


For Brocas Helm and King Diamond: Yes, those songs are representative of their usual style.

For the rest, going by the songs:
UFO - Phenomenon or one of their live albums
Crimson Glory - self-titled and Transcendance
Iced Earth - Night of the Stormrider
Riot - going by the songs they included, check out their early works like Narita and Fire Down Under. Less similarly, the albums Thundersteel and Priviledge of Power are highly recommendable if you like Heavy Metal at all. It's a completely different vocalist, but that's a good thing, because he happens to be amazing.

[Nameless]

Where?

Over here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KGERmDXxLg&feature=related)

[DraPrime]

Over here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KGERmDXxLg&feature=related)

Ah, it's here. Still, for the majority of their career CoF hasn't been black metal. It's like saying that Virgin Steele is glam metal just because their earlier albums had some glam songs.

[Nameless]

Ah, it's here. Still, for the majority of their career CoF hasn't been black metal. It's like saying that Virgin Steele is glam metal just because their earlier albums had some glam songs.

CoF kinda swap every so often between Black Metal and other genre's, and even then they have Black Metal influences.

In other news, what did Nameless get for Christmas? Dark Moor's Autumnal album. THAT'S what he got for Christmas. Oh yeah. :smallamused:

[DraPrime]

CoF kinda swap every so often between Black Metal and other genre's, and even then they have Black Metal influences.

In other news, what did Nameless get for Christmas? Dark Moor's Autumnal album. THAT'S what he got for Christmas. Oh yeah. :smallamused:

It seems that Dragonprime got 7 more albums than you did for Christmas. :smallbiggrin:

[Mythestopheles]

Aww, I didn't get any albums for christmas... *Steals a few of Dragonprimes albums.*

Have a very Metal Christmas you guys!

[derfos]

Over here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KGERmDXxLg&feature=related)

I still don't hear the black metal. I hear a guy screaming, but no riffs. I guess you can call it Melodic Black Metal, but that's still kind of pushing it.

[Nameless]

It seems that Dragonprime got 7 more albums than you did for Christmas. :smallbiggrin:

Ah yes, BUT! I also got Code Geass Season 1 Box set, which is also awesome. And chocolate. Chocolate is good too. Yes.

@^: Now you're just being silly.

[DraPrime]

Ah yes, BUT! I also got Code Geass Season 1 Box set, which is also awesome. And chocolate. Chocolate is good too. Yes.

@^: Now you're just being silly.

On the other hand, I got 8 awesome metal albums, and chocolate, like you did.

[Nameless]

On the other hand, I got 8 awesome metal albums, and chocolate, like you did.

Ah yes, BUT... Shut up.

[DraPrime]

Ah yes, BUT... Shut up.

That's not a nice thing to say :smallfrown:

[zeratul]

music wise I didn't get any metal but I gota fantastic Smashing Pumpkins CD as well as Rum Sodomy and the Lash by The Pogues on vinyl..................plus a book of icelandic sagas which is pretty metal. The rest of the list is rather less metal.