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taltamir
2010-01-02, 05:51 PM
does firing off a ranged touch attack spell, or an ranged touch attack ability like eldritch blast take a -4 when fired into melee?

Zaydos
2010-01-02, 05:53 PM
Yes. Much to my wizard's dislike. Precise Shot fixes it as normal but too feat starved.

Tar Palantir
2010-01-02, 05:53 PM
Yes, same as any ranged attack.

Glimbur
2010-01-02, 05:58 PM
There's a rod you can buy to get Precise Shot, but I don't recall the source or price offhand.

Temotei
2010-01-02, 06:00 PM
So just use a touch attack in melee. :smallconfused:

Studoku
2010-01-02, 06:02 PM
Or stay the hell away from melee in the first place.

Kosjsjach
2010-01-02, 06:02 PM
I don't need to say it, but aren't questions of this sort better suited to the FAQ thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136877)?

taltamir
2010-01-02, 06:15 PM
I don't need to say it, but aren't questions of this sort better suited to the FAQ thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136877)?

sorry, my bad. I didn't notice that one.

Thanks everyone for clarifying. I checked the rod, its 12000gp, and my WBL is only 9000...

its actually 2 feats to get rid of, because Precise Shot requires Point Blank Shot as a prereq...

Yuki Akuma
2010-01-02, 06:20 PM
sorry, my bad. I didn't notice that one.

Thanks everyone for clarifying. I checked the rod, its 12000gp, and my WBL is only 9000...

its actually 2 feats to get rid of, because Precise Shot requires Point Blank Shot as a prereq...

Don't cast ranged touch spells into melee.

Or just eat the -4 attack penalty, it's not as if ranged touch attacks are hard.

taltamir
2010-01-02, 10:37 PM
Yes, I will target people who are out of melee first.
i am playing a cloistered cleric/warlock/eldritch disciple.
so I got very high wisdom, took zen archery, and knowledge devotion.
I got +4 to ranged attacks from wisdom, its a ranged touch attack because of warlock attack type, and the knowledge devotion at this level will give me +1 25% of the time, +2 50%, and +3 25% to both to hit and damage.

@ level 5 and 2BAB, touch attack with +7 to +9 to attack is not bad at all. as long as I don't shoot into melee.

Temotei
2010-01-02, 11:04 PM
Yes, I will target people who are out of melee first.
i am playing a cloistered cleric/warlock/eldritch disciple.
so I got very high wisdom, took zen archery, and knowledge devotion.
I got +4 to ranged attacks from wisdom, its a ranged touch attack because of warlock attack type, and the knowledge devotion at this level will give me +1 25% of the time, +2 50%, and +3 25% to both to hit and damage.

@ level 5 and 2BAB, touch attack with +7 to +9 to attack is not bad at all. as long as I don't shoot into melee.

Knowledge Devotion is so good...:smallamused:

Yeah, this should have been in the FAQ thread, but posting another thread doesn't hurt. Too much.

Stauffie
2012-06-07, 06:42 PM
I was reading about point blank shot and ranged touch attacks spell, if i understood correctly, PBS works when making a ranged touch attack. For me, this this brought up the next question:

Can a rogue/wizard with rapid shot make an extra ranged touch attack with his/her spell (using one ray of frost to make two attacks)?

I am currently playing a rogue 1/diviner 3 (going for the Unseer seer prestigue class), and have PBS and RS.

Urpriest
2012-06-07, 06:51 PM
I was reading about point blank shot and ranged touch attacks spell, if i understood correctly, PBS works when making a ranged touch attack. For me, this this brought up the next question:

Can a rogue/wizard with rapid shot make an extra ranged touch attack with his/her spell (using one ray of frost to make two attacks)?

I am currently playing a rogue 1/diviner 3 (going for the Unseer seer prestigue class), and have PBS and RS.

You can't make a full attack with most ray spells, so this doesn't work.

Edit: That said, it would work with a spell that did let you make a full attack, like Produce Flame.

Yuki Akuma
2012-06-07, 07:51 PM
It is very weird to see posts you made two years ago.

killianh
2012-06-08, 05:38 AM
you do take the -4 but to be honest its a shot against touch AC. You shouldn't miss touch AC too often even if you treat it as 4 more. Example

level 5 warlock vs. something with 10 touch AC. 10 becomes 14. Warlock attacks with 3+3(Hopefully at least 14 DEX and +2 gloves) needs an 8 to hit.

level 5 ranger vs. same thing but normal AC of 18. becomes 22. Ranger Attacks with 5+3(DEX)+1(weapon) need 13 to hit.

Both done without the precise shot feat

nedz
2012-06-08, 11:29 AM
You need the Split Ray feat, oh and you also need to read the forum rules about Thread Necromancy.:smallbiggrin:

averagejoe
2012-06-08, 05:16 PM
The Mod They Call Me: Thread necromancy.