Dragon in the Playground 2010 - Voting

[Athaniar]

THERE IS NO NOMINATION, ONLY ZUUL VOTING

I finally came up with a good concept for a new "in the Playground": dragons! You all know how this works, right? No? Alright, then:



For the purpose of this contest, "dragon" does not necessarily mean a "true dragon". To make it simple, ask yourself this question: "In Dungeons & Dragons terms, would this be a dragon-type creature?"

If the answer is yes, you can nominate it. You can also nominate "augmented" dragons if you wish, such as dragon gods and dracoliches.

Also note that I only accept unique dragons. So no nominating "black dragon" or "dracolich", be specific!


Any one forumite may nominate up to ten (10) dragons qualifying as per the rules above. Nomination will stop once 128 dragons (no more, no less) have been nominated. Voting will then begin. THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED

Please, please use the same format as I use when nominating. It makes it easier for me. The format is Dragon (Franchise).

EDIT: If you do not state the franchise (or at least give some indication of the dragon's origin), the nomination will be disqualified.


YOU CANNOT NOMINATE ANY MORE DRAGONS
The Nominees (128/128):

A
Abazigal (Forgotten Realms)
Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)
Alexstrasza (Warcraft)
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)
Angelus (Drakengard)
"The Angry White" (The Liveship Trilogy)
Annoth (I of the Dragon)
The Archdemon (Dragon Age)
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

B
Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons)
Bahamut (Final Fantasy)
Blue Dragon (Little King's Story)
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Bolt (The Liveship Trilogy)
Borys (Dark Sun)
Bowser (Super Mario)
Bryagh (The Dragon and the George)

C
Chromie (Warcraft)
Chronepsis (Dungeons & Dragons)
Chrysophylax Dives (Tokien's works)
Cyan Bloodbane (Dragonlance)

D
Deathwing (Warcraft)
Dheginsea (Fire Emblem)
Divine Dragon (Legend of Dragoon)
The Divine Dragon (Dragon Quest)
Draco (Dragonheart)
The Dracolord (Dragon Quest)
Dragon (Shrek)
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)
Dragon (Order of the Stick)
The Dragon (Beowulf)
Dragon of Babylon (Bible)
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Dunkelzahn (Shadowrun)

E
Elliott (Pete's Dragon)
Erandis Vol (Eberron)
Errol (Discworld)

F
Falazure (Dungeons & Dragons)
Fin Fang Foom (Marvel comics)
Firkraag (Forgotten Realms)
Flametongue (Revenge of the Red Dragon)
Fuchur (The Neverending Story)

G
Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons)
Girl-On-A-Dragon (Assassin's Quest, Fool's Fate)
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
Gorbash (The Dragon and the George)

H
Haku (Spirited Away)

I
Icefyre (Fool's Fate)
Icingdeath (Forgotten Realms)
Illuyanka (Hittite myth)

J
Jericho Rain (GURPS Technomancer)
Jim Eckert (The Dragon and the George)

K
Khisanth (Dragonlance)
The King (Discworld)
King Ghidorah (Godzilla)

L
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
Leviathan (Bible)
Lockheed (Marvel comics)
Lofwyr (Shadowrun)
The Lord of the Dragovians (Dragon Quest)
Lotan (Canaanite myth)
Lung (Chinese myth)

M
Malygos (Warcraft)
Maulkin (The Liveship Trilogy)
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
Mushu (Mulan)

N
Nefarian (Warcraft)
Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering)
Nidhogg (Norse myth)
Nils (Fire Emblem)
Ninian (Fire Emblem)
Niv-Mizzet (Magic: the Gathering)
Nolalothcaragasint (Forgotten Realms)
Norberta (Harry Potter)
Nozdormu (Warcraft)
Numot (Magic: The Gathering)

O
Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
Onyxia (Warcraft)

P
Paladine (Dragonlance)
Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)
Puff the Magic Dragon (Puff the Magic Dragon)
Pyrite (Dragonlance)

R
The Reluctant Dragon (The Reluctant Dragon)

Q
Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)

R
Ran (Avatar: the Last Airbender)
Rashaak (Eberron)
Red Dragon (Bible)
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos)
Rhaegal (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Ridley (Metroid)
Ruth (Dragonriders of Pern)
Ryu (Breath of Fire)

S
Saladrex (Forgotten Realm)
Saphira (Eragon)
Scales/Deucalion (Dark Lord of Derkholm).
Scatha (Tolkien mythos)
Secoh (The Dragon and the George)
Shao (Avatar: the Last Airbender)
Shen Long (Dragon Ball)
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth)
She Who Remembers (The Liveship Trilogy)
Shinryuu (Final Fantasy 5)
Silvara (Dragonlance)
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
Smrgol (The Dragon and the George)
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)

T
Takhisis (Dragonlance)
The Tarasque (French folklore)
Teepo (Breath of Fire)
Temeraire (His Majesty's Dragon)
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
Tintaglia (Liveship Traders)
Tusenmaug (Dungeons & Dragons)

V
Valoo (The Legend of Zelda)
Verity (The Farseer Trilogy)
Vermithrax Pejorative (Dragonslayer)
Vharaak (Eberron)
Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)
The Void Dragon (Warhammer 40.000)
Volvagia (The Legend of Zelda)

W
The Water Dragon (Jade Empire)
White Dragon of the Saxons (Arthur mythos)
Winged Dragon of Ra (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Y
Yamm (Cananite myth)
Ysera (Warcraft)



I start by nominate the following:

Alexstrasza (Warcraft)
Malygos (Warcraft)
Deathwing (Warcraft)
Ysera (Warcraft)
Nozdormu (Warcraft)
Onyxia (Warcraft)
Nefarian (Warcraft)
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons)
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
Yes, I like Warcraft.
DID I MENTION VOTING HAS ALREADY BEGUN?

[Satyr]

Smaug is must (The Hobbit).

So is Fafnir (Siegfried Saga).

And Fuchur (The Neverending Story).

And, of course, Dunkelzahn and Lofwyr (both Shadowrun).

[Gamerlord]

QUESTION:does Maleficent (Disney) count as a dragon?

If so, guess what my nomination is.

If not, then Tusenmaug (D&D), the first dragon any D&D 3.5 gamer does battle with. Also the cause of my first TPK.

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.


QUESTION:does Maleficent (Disney) count as a
dragon?

If so, guess what my nomination is.

If not, then Tusenmaug (D&D), the first dragon any D&D 3.5 gamer does battle with.

Is the dragon her true form, or does she just shapeshift into it? If it is the latter, then no.

[Serpentine]

I should know many more off the top of my head than I do...
10 nominations:
Red Dragon (Bible)
Leviathan (Bible)
Ishtah dragons
Dragon of Babylon (Bible)
Illuyanka (Hittite myth)
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth)
Lotan (Canaanite myth)
Yamm (Cananite myth)
Quetzalcoatl
Tiamat (Sumerian water/chaos deity)

2nd choices:
Rainbow Serpent (Australian, debatable)
Whowie (Australian, debatable)
Garden of Eden Serpent (Bible. Note: condemned by God to crawl on its belly - didn't slither until then, word translated "serpent" ambiguous)

[Eldan]

Lemme see...

Tintaglia (Liveship Traders Trilogy). As always when I nominate something slightly more obscure, no one will vote for it. But that lady is just such arrogant bastard, she has to be on the list.

Chronepsis (DnD). The dragon god of time. Has a fascinating domain, at least.

I'll think of more later.

[Serpentine]

Tintaglia (Liveship Traders Trilogy). As always when I nominate something slightly more obscure, no one will vote for it. But that lady is just such arrogant bastard, she has to be on the list.It's been a long time since I read those books. Remind me of her?

[Gamerlord]

Is the dragon her true form, or does she just shapeshift into it? If it is the latter, then no.

I...honestly have no idea :smallconfused: .

[Atelm]

I...honestly have no idea :smallconfused: .

Although it's never actually said out loud, I'd say that it's fairly safe to assume that her usual form is her true form. Therefore she wouldn't count for the purposes of this list.

[Eldan]

It's been a long time since I read those books. Remind me of her?

It's one huge spoiler, but okay.


Tintaglia is buried in a cocoon under the elderling city on the rainwild river where she is hibernating until the sun hits her. She can still send telepathic signals and dreams to various humans, though, and tries to get them to dig her out instead of chopping her up for more wizardwood.
Once she is out she tells humanity to shut up, sit down, forget their stupid wars and start to serve her. First by digging out new channels in an acid filled river so that more serpents can mature into dragons.
Because, as everyone knows, humans are good for two things only: food and serving dragons. When they are not just ignored.


It's just an attitude I think more dragons should have. They are (near) immortal, basically invulnerable, intelligent and powerful magicians. I don't get why so many of them behave like either thugs or wise old plot-dispensers.

[afroakuma]

Tintaglia

Well, she is awesome. And obnoxious. But hey, dragon.

Better her than Icefyre, at any rate.

[Eldan]

I...honestly have no idea :smallconfused: .

Well, she was only remotely connected to what she was in the fairy tale, but at least there, she was one of the queens of faerie. So I'd say she just changed shape into one.


Can I nominate all of Argonessen, i.e. the Dragons of Eberron?

[Serpentine]

It's one huge spoiler, but okay.


Tintaglia is buried in a cocoon under the elderling city on the rainwild river where she is hibernating until the sun hits her. She can still send telepathic signals and dreams to various humans, though, and tries to get them to dig her out instead of chopping her up for more wizardwood.
Once she is out she tells humanity to shut up, sit down, forget their stupid wars and start to serve her. First by digging out new channels in an acid filled river so that more serpents can mature into dragons.
Because, as everyone knows, humans are good for two things only: food and serving dragons. When they are not just ignored.


It's just an attitude I think more dragons should have. They are (near) immortal, basically invulnerable, intelligent and powerful magicians. I don't get why so many of them behave like either thugs or wise old plot-dispensers.Ah, rings a bell. Like I said, I have read them before so spoilers aren't an issue (for me), but it's been ages since I read them so I can't remember much. Someday soon I'll read all three series, starting from the very beginning...

[Drakyn]

I'll throw in a vote for
The King (no name given otherwise, Terry Pratchett's Guards! Guards!).
Very dragony - almost completely invulnerable, so powerful that it doesn't even need to waste time being cunning (which is well within its capabilities), and because of both of these things, arrogant in a way that is entirely reasonable and founded solidly in reality.

[Altaria87]

I'll throw in a few more:
Bahamut (Final Fantasy)
Salamence (Pokemon)
Blue Dragon (Little King's Story)
Also, if the following would count, these as well:
Ridley (Metroid)
Altaria (Pokemon)

[zeratul]

Ancalagon The Black (The mightiest of all dragons in Tokeins mythos)

Glaurung (the father of dragon's in tolkeins mythos)

Nidhogg (the dragon which chews at the roots of Ygrdrassil in norse mythology)

The Dragon which Beowulf fights (the English epic poem Beowulf)

Oh and if we're counting sea serpents

The Midgard Serpent (the enormous sea dragon which thor fights to the death in norse mythology)

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.



Ishtah dragons
What are those?



Tiamat (Sumerian water/chaos deity)
But isn't Tiamat's portrayal as a dragon a modern invention?



Can I nominate all of Argonessen, i.e. the Dragons of Eberron?
If they aren't somehow one single individual, then no. However, feel free to nominate Eberron, Siberys, or Khyber.


I'll throw in a few more:
Salamence (Pokemon)
Altaria (Pokemon)
Are those really unique?

[Eldan]

Sadly, I don't remember a single Argonessen-dragon by name, and I don't have DoE with me at the moment. So I'll leave that to someone else.

[crazedloon]

The Void Dragon (40k universe), A demi god capable of eating stars and is worshiped as a god. Has a near absolute power over machines and is capable of making an near invincible mechanical warrior which it than straps a living soul onto.

[Dragon queen]

I shall pick...

ANNOTH THE FIRE DRAGON! From "I of The Dragon". My favorite computer game.

EDIT: Sorry I nominate Tiamet. Did not know he was not in there.:smallredface:

[Closak]

I nominate:

Shinryuu (Final Fantasy 5 bonus boss, also a major part of the plot in Dissidia where he plays the role of overgod)


I also nominate the three that appear here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLgK-sh_a9I)

[PhoeKun]

Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering) - and shame on all of you that I had to be the one to bring him up.

Numot, The Devastator (Magic: The Gathering) - no chance to win, but an honorary nomination for being the only Legendary creature to use red, white, and blue mana. :smalltongue:

[Remmirath]

Firkraag (Baldur's Gate II)
Abazigal (Baldur's Gate II)
Saladrex (Baldur's Gate II)
Falazure (D&D)
Garyx (D&D)
Flametongue (Revenge of the Red Dragon)
Nolalothcaragasint (Neverwinter Nights 2)

[hanzo66]

Angelus (Drakengard)


Also, would it be considered trolling if someone nominated Saphira (Inheritance Cycle)?

[snoopy13a]

What about Puff the Magic Dragon (song and Disney movie)?

[PirateMonk]

Jericho Rain (GURPS Technomancer). Sure, why not.

[The Glyphstone]

Angelus (Drakengard)


Also, would it be considered trolling if someone nominated Saphira (Inheritance Cycle)?

Nah, it's not her fault that she's owned by a sociopath. Probably won't win, but is a valid nomination.


I'll put forth Draco from Dragonheart. The voice of Sean Connery compels you!

[Voldecanter]

Welsh Red Salamander(Dragon) (Arthurian Legend)
Saxon White Salamander(Dragon) (Arthurian Legend)

[warty goblin]

Why anybody needs any dragon after Smaug is a mystery to me.

[Sneak]

Viserion, Drogon, and Rhaegal from ASoIaF?

Those are pretty much the only dragons I know, other than Smaug, who obviously deserves to win.

[LurkerInPlayground]

QUESTION:does Maleficent (Disney) count as a dragon?
I would say so, considering that it was probably actually an inspiration for the black dragon.

[Kurien]

First ones that that come to mind are:

Shen Long (Dragon Ball)
King Ghidorah (Godzilla)

[Serpentine]

What are those?Info here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirrush), image here:
http://www.eatingchaos.com/images/sirrush.jpg
They're only found in one place, so I reckon they count as one creature :smalltongue: Theorised that they might be based on a real animal.

But isn't Tiamat's portrayal as a dragon a modern invention?There's little ancient evidence for her being a dragon (except, from wikipedia: The Enûma Elish specifically states that Tiamat did give birth to dragons and serpents... Within the Enûma Elish her physical description includes a tail, a thigh, "lower parts" (which shake together), a belly, an udder, ribs, a neck, a head, a skull, eyes, nostrils, a mouth, and lips. She has insides (possibly "entrails"), a heart, arteries, and blood), but it's not completely modern, I think. This may be Tiamat (I'm not sure):
http://approaching40.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54fe705d68833010536a83026970c-200wi
and I'm sure I've seen an oldish painting of Marduk killing a dragon Tiamat.

[Zevox]

Well, most of those that first came to my mind have been nominated already. So, some others, mostly to help fill roster spots:

The Dracolord (Dragon Quest 1)
The Divine Dragon (Dragon Quest 3)
The Lord of the Dragovians (Dragon Quest 8)
The Archdemon (Dragon Age: Origins)
Valoo (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Volvagia (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Ninian (Fire Emblem)
Dheginsea (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
The Water Dragon (Jade Empire)

Zevox

[Viera Champion]

Nominations:

Dragon (Shrek)

Saphira (Eragon)

Nils (Fire Emblem)

[pita]

Icefyre (Fool's Fate)
Verity (The Farseer Trilogy)
Girl-On-A-Dragon (Assassin's Quest, Fool's Fate)
Maulkin (The Liveship Trilogy)
She Who Rememers (The Liveship Trilogy)
Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy, although he's technically two, so I can nominate him twice)
Thinly Veiled Allegory (OotS Dragon comicses)
Bolt (The Liveship Trilogy)
Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering)
The Angry White (The Liveship Trilogy. I don't remember his name, but he's the vicious angry white who remembers and constantly despairs.)

Yes, I like Robin Hobb. You got a problem wid that?
Also, a lot of my choices are either dragon eggs or deformed dragons, so I'm going to assume they count under "augmented" dragons. Also, two are deformed dragons. One is a god, but not a dragon god, only a god who used to be a dragon.
EDIT- I feel a need to object to Leviathan being on the list. He's a fish. In my Hebrew edition (source language trumps all), he's just referred to as a big fish. Dragons are not fish.

[Eldan]

You are nominating the ships? Okay, they have the souls (or whatever you want to call it) of ships, but that seems a bit much.

[Rae Artemi]

I nominate Errol (guards, guards)

Serious spoilers:
He defeated the king, actually a queen, by rearranging his bowels to give himself jet propulsion.

[WalkingTarget]

Vermithrax Pejorative from the film Dragonslayer. How could you not love a name like that?

[Mathis]

I can't see anyone has mentioned the Ogdru Jahad, they are the Dragon of Revelation, destined to bring about the end of the world.

Also, clearly the most badass name a dragon has ever had. There is also The Tarasque. A dragon tamed by Saint Martha, part of a french tale.

[pita]

You are nominating the ships? Okay, they have the souls (or whatever you want to call it) of ships, but that seems a bit much.
They're also made out of dragon eggs. They're definitely considered dragon, even if it is augmented dragon.

[Drascin]

Funny thing is, I saw this thread while I was actually statting Kushala Daora, which is indeed a dragon, for my tabletop game :smallbiggrin:.

Anyway, don't know if it's been mentioned, but if we have to only mention unique dragons (because if species were allowed I'd be nominating half the Elder Dragon roster in Monster Hunter, plus Narga), I'm casting a nomination for Niv-Mizzet the Firemind, cunning and vain bastard that he is.


Are those really unique?

No they aren't - they're species. However, Pokémon does have a few unique Dragons - there's Rayquaza, who controls wind and weather alike, and Palkia and Dialga, who control the dimensions of Time and space respectively.

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.



I also nominate the three that appear here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLgK-sh_a9I)
Nominate them as you should or not at all.


Info here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirrush), image here:
http://www.eatingchaos.com/images/sirrush.jpg
They're only found in one place, so I reckon they count as one creature :smalltongue:
No. Also, I believe they are called Sirrush. Even your links say that. And no ancient Tiamat.



EDIT- I feel a need to object to Leviathan being on the list. He's a fish. In my Hebrew edition (source language trumps all), he's just referred to as a big fish. Dragons are not fish.
Noted.


Also, should I really consider Quetzalcoatl a dragon? He is a serpent with wings, but dragon... I'm not sure.

[pita]

A tally that includes two Paragons

I'm sorry if I was confusing, I meant it as a joke. Paragon is only one nomination. He's one creature, but with some major split personality.

[Teron]

Borys of Ebe (Dark Sun)
Erandis Vol (Eberron)
Vharaak (Eberron)
Rashaak (Eberron)
Lockheed (Marvel comics)
Fin Fang Foom (Marvel comics)
Ran and Shao (Avatar: the Last Airbender)
Bowser (Nintendo)

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.



Bowser (Nintendo)
Is he really a dragon?

[Temotei]

Votes tallied.


Is he really a dragon?

Debatable.

Does the hydra count? That would be from Greek mythology.
The divine dragon from The Legend of Dragoon.
Spyro the dragon from Spyro the Dragon.

[Serpentine]

EDIT- I feel a need to object to Leviathan being on the list. He's a fish. In my Hebrew edition (source language trumps all), he's just referred to as a big fish. Dragons are not fish.Not true, or at least not completely. At least once in the Bible he's referred to as a "crooked serpent", and there are various other factors that suggest that at the very least it can be considered a sea serpent. It is also related to various other "serpent" or dragon creatures. Its identity is not at all well defined, but "dragon" or "dragon-like" is as valid as any other.

I can't see anyone has mentioned the Ogdru Jahad, they are the Dragon of Revelation, destined to bring about the end of the world.You mean the Red Dragon I already mentioned? I didn't know that name, though, so I'm happy for that to go in instead.
No. Also, I believe they are called Sirrush. Even your links say that. And no ancient Tiamat.I know they are, but they're also called Ishtar dragons, what with being on the Ishtar gate. And seeing as that's the only place they're ever depicted, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider them multiple depictions of a single creature... but whatever. And okay on the ancient Tiamat. I wish I could find that painting...

Also, should I really consider Quetzalcoatl a dragon? He is a serpent with wings, but dragon... I'm not sure.He's a "feathered serpent", and his statuary meets the observation of dragons from Flight of Dragons (book) that "monstrous faces" are the combining feature of dragons around the world. Compare:
http://www.emuseumstore.com/images/uploads/1321_1877_large.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3xtylGUE0Nc/SbiB3y4kpbI/AAAAAAAABDY/AU3w_BER6f8/s400/The+bronze+of+dragon+head.jpg

Did I mention I'm doing an honours thesis on dragons? <.< Just sayin' :smalltongue: Though I'm including somewhat outside the normal boundaries of dragons to "serpents" and similar in general, for the purposes of my research.

[Temotei]

Wasn't there a Leviathan dragon in Final Fantasy VII or X or something?

[Mathis]

You mean the Red Dragon I already mentioned? I didn't know that name, though, so I'm happy for that to go in instead.

The Ogdru Jahad name is from the Hellboy series and as far as I can see it's pretty different from the Red Dragon mentioned in Revelations both in looks and personality ( The only similarity being that The Red Dragon has seven heads, and the Ogru Jahad is one entity composed of seven personalities), even if it is the same dragon. Mike Mignola just gave it some flair and originality to fit into his modern comic. I guess Lord Xavius will have to decide whether or not they count as two different ones though. I'd like them both to be in because they are both unique to two different mythos.

[Dexam]

... how has there been this many nominations without any references to Dragonlance? :smallconfused:

Takhisis (Dragonlance)
Paladine (Dragonlance)
Cyan Bloodbane (Dragonlance)
Khisanth (Dragonlance)
Silvara (a.k.a. D'Argent) (Dragonlance)
Pyrite (Dragonlance)

[Serpentine]

The Ogdru Jahad name is from the Hellboy series and as far as I can see it's pretty different from the Red Dragon mentioned in Revelations both in looks and personality ( The only similarity being that The Red Dragon has seven heads, and the Ogru Jahad is one entity composed of seven personalities), even if it is the same dragon. Mike Mignola just gave it some flair and originality to fit into his modern comic. I guess Lord Xavius will have to decide whether or not they count as two different ones though. I'd like them both to be in because they are both unique to two different mythos.Ahhh, different source, one loosly based on the other. Fair enough, then.

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied. Leviathan reincluded, Quetzalcoatl stays, and the Ogdru Jahad and the Red Dragon are separate enough. The Hellboy movie was awesome, by the way.

[Serpentine]

Wheeee! I've won 2/3 arguments! :smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:

[Matar]

Still accepting nominations? If so, I totally nominate Akatosh from the Elder Scrolls. Chief deity of the Nine Divines, Lord over time itself, hell yeah! Akatosh!

[Mathis]

Let's all give some love for the Ogdru Jahad, spell out your doom with me: The Ogdru Jahad!

[Haruki-kun]

I would like to nominate Haku from Spirited Away.

[Altaria87]

Crud, I can't remember the name of that Dragon Hagrid raises in the first Harry Potter book, could someone remind me, please?
Edit: Also, would Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon and Winged Dragon of Ra from Yu-Gi-Oh count? Because in the anime there's only one of each Egyptian God, and only three Blue-Eyes, so there could only really be one Ultimate Dragon...

[hamishspence]

Norbert. Though she is renamed Norberta later when they find out that this dragon is female- I think in Goblet of Fire this is mentioned.

[Altaria87]

Norbert. Though she is renamed Norberta later when they find out that this dragon is female- I think in Goblet of Fire this is mentioned.
Thanks there :smallsmile:
Well, a couple more nominations:
Norbert(a) (Harry Potter)
And if they count:
Winged Dragon of Ra (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

[Shas aia Toriia]

Well, if you're going yu-gi-oh, how are you not just going classic blues-eyes white dragon?
Or red-eyes black while we're at it?

[Serpentine]

OH NOES! How could I forget?! The White Dragon (I forget his name) from Dragonriders of Pern. I always loved that runt...

[Remmirath]

That'd be Ruth, I believe.

[Serpentine]

Yes! Ruth, the Only White Dragon (Dragonriders of Pern)

[Teron]

Is he really a dragon?
Bowser kind of looks like the Tarasque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasque) and breaths fire. That seems good enough to me.

Also, I think Ran and Shao should be listed together, since they appear together and act in unison, and there's no indication of which is which.

[Temotei]

Still accepting nominations? If so, I totally nominate Akatosh from the Elder Scrolls. Chief deity of the Nine Divines, Lord over time itself, hell yeah! Akatosh!

I totally forgot him! I am ashamed, for I had just played Oblivion not four days ago.

[Altaria87]

Well, if you're going yu-gi-oh, how are you not just going classic blues-eyes white dragon?
Or red-eyes black while we're at it?
Well, those aren't unique in the anime, there are three Blue-Eyes, and Red-Eyes is never mentioned as unique in any way

[Athaniar]

Nominations tallied.


Also, would Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon and Winged Dragon of Ra from Yu-Gi-Oh count? Because in the anime there's only one of each Egyptian God, and only three Blue-Eyes, so there could only really be one Ultimate Dragon...
Reasonable enough.


Bowser kind of looks like the Tarasque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasque) and breaths fire. That seems good enough to me.
I feel like being nice, so alright then, Bowser accepted.



Also, I think Ran and Shao should be listed together, since they appear together and act in unison, and there's no indication of which is which.
They count as two different creatures unless you can prove that they are, in fact, the same creature, or at least two creatures sharing one mind.

[Soepvork]

Mushu (Mulan)

[Killer Angel]

Eh, the good ones are gone...
anyway: Elliott (Pete's Dragon - Disney)

[PhoeKun]

I am ashamed of myself.

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons) - the only dragon, so far as I'm aware, to replace his heart with a Balor. That counts for something, right?

[Pastafarian]

Scales spoiler: aka Deucalion (Dark Lord of Derkholm).

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[Viera Champion]

Hey would th Dragon of the Darkness Flame from Yu Yu Hakusho count? It's not technically a dragon, more of a manifestation of dark power, released in the form of a dragon.

[d13]

* Volvagia (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
* Scatha (Tolkien Stuff)
* Chrysophylax Dives (Moar Tolkien Stuff)

[Teron]

I am ashamed of myself.

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons) - the only dragon, so far as I'm aware, to replace his heart with a Balor. That counts for something, right?
Well, the disciple of Ashardalon PrC does the same thing, but inventing a dragon-only "disciple of [your name]" class is still pretty cool.

[Serpentine]

Oh noes! I also forgot about The Dragon and the George! All the following are from that book, in order of how much I want them included:

Jim Eckert (a human from "our world" who ends up in an alternate reality, in the body of a dragon)
Smrgol (Gorbash's uncle, wise old dragon)
Secoh (brave cowardly mere-dragon)
Gorbash (the dragon whose body Jim ends up in. I believe he got stuck in Jim's "real-world" body)
Bryagh (old, evil dragon)

I heartily recommend this book, by the way.

[Killer Angel]

it seems that Dragotha wasn't named yet...

[FoE]

Is it too late for nominations?

The Archdemon (Dragon Age)

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.


Hey would th Dragon of the Darkness Flame from Yu Yu Hakusho count? It's not technically a dragon, more of a manifestation of dark power, released in the form of a dragon.
Sounds like a shapeshifter to me. So no, it would not count.


Is it too late for nominations?

The Archdemon (Dragon Age)
It's not too late (there are still 8 dragons left to be nominated), but that one has already been nominated.

EDIT: Wait, I allowed Fafnir? He was a shapeshifter, so he's out. That means there are 9 open spots left.

[Viera Champion]

Lung (Chinese Legend)

[Athaniar]

Lung (Chinese Legend)
Isn't "lung" just another name for the Chinese dragon, and not an individual dragon?

[Finn Solomon]

I nominate the Dragon personified in human form, Bruce Lee.

[Pastafarian]

The Reluctant Dragon (The Reluctant Dragon)
Temeraire (His Majesty's Dragon and sequels)

[Moglorosh]

Ryu: Breath of Fire

[Soepvork]

What about Dragon (Chinese Zodiac) and Dragon (OOTS-deity)?

[Viera Champion]

Isn't "lung" just another name for the Chinese dragon, and not an individual dragon?

No Lung is one of the four spiritual deity animal thingies. It is one dragon.

[Altaria87]

No Lung is one of the four spiritual deity animal thingies. It is one dragon.
Yep, this is true, it also appears in Persona

[Caidh Mor]

Ryu: Breath of Fire


If Ryu's allowed, then:

Teepo (Breath of Fire III)

Ryu and Teepo were both BORN in dragon form, even IF they end up traveling around most of the time as humans...

[Moglorosh]

If Ryu's allowed, then:

Teepo (Breath of Fire III)

Ryu and Teepo were both BORN in dragon form, even IF they end up traveling around most of the time as humans...
Many of the dragons on the list already spend an inordinate amount of time in human form. Most of the Warcraft dragons, for example, do this.

Speaking of Warcraft dragons, how'd we forget Chromie?

[icastflare!]

What about Icing Death from the forgotten realms novels

[Mathis]

Many of the dragons on the list already spend an inordinate amount of time in human form. Most of the Warcraft dragons, for example, do this.

Speaking of Warcraft dragons, how'd we forget Chromie?


I think you just answered your own question.

[Athaniar]

And that means exactly 128 nominations! However, as I did last time, I will wait to start the voting itself so that you Playgrounders can tell me if you feel that an already nominated dragon should not be on the list.

[shadowxknight]

Khellendros/Skie (Dragonlance)

[Serpentine]

What about Icing Death from the forgotten realms novelsSounds delicious.

[Altaria87]

*looks around*
It doesn't appear there are any objections :smallsmile:

[Athaniar]

That much is true, and therefore, let Round 1 begin! You should know the rules by now: you may vote for one dragon in each group of eight, and the top weapon in each group goes through to Round 2. Round 1 is expected to end Sunday February 28.

Supergroup 1

Group 1:1
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth) [8]
Vermithrax Pejorative (Dragonslayer)
The Dracolord (Dragon Quest)
Lofwyr (Shadowrun) [1]

Group 1:2
Vharaak (Eberron) [1]
Leviathan (Bible) [6]
Ysera (Warcraft) [2]
Smrgol (The Dragon and the George)

Group 1:3
Red Dragon (Bible) [3]
Fin Fang Foom (Marvel comics)
Dheginsea (Fire Emblem) [1]
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac) [4]

Group 1:4
Bolt (The Liveship Trilogy) [1]
Khisanth (Dragonlance)
Firkraag (Forgotten Realms) [2]
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick) [5]

Group 1:5
Falazure (Dungeons & Dragons) [2]
Shen Long (Dragon Ball)
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons) [6]
Dunkelzahn (Shadowrun) [3]

Group 1:6
Nidhogg (Norse myth) [4]
Flametongue (Revenge of the Red Dragon) [1]
The Void Dragon (Warhammer 40.000) [3]
Divine Dragon (Legend of Dragoon)

Group 1:7
Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls) [3]
Ryu (Breath of Fire)
Secoh (The Dragon and the George) [2]
Girl-On-A-Dragon (Assassin's Quest, Fool's Fate) [1]

Group 1:8
Abazigal (Forgotten Realms) [3]
Errol (Discworld) [5]
Shao (Avatar: the Last Airbender)
Puff the Magic Dragon (Puff the Magic Dragon) [2]


Supergroup 2

Group 2:1
Cyan Bloodbane (Dragonlance) [1]
Maulkin (The Liveship Trilogy) [2]
Lotan (Canaanite myth)
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth) [9]

Group 2:2
Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy) [3]
Mushu (Mulan) [2]
Alexstrasza (Warcraft) [2]
Valoo (The Legend of Zelda) [1]

Group 2:3
Chrysophylax Dives (Tokien's works) [2]
Nefarian (Warcraft)
The Lord of the Dragovians (Dragon Quest)
Deathwing (Warcraft) [8]

Group 2:4
Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire) [4]
Silvara (Dragonlance) [1]
Erandis Vol (Eberron) [1]
Takhisis (Dragonlance) [3]

Group 2:5
Scatha (Tolkien mythos) [2]
Malygos (Warcraft) [4]
Fuchur (The Neverending Story) [2]
Scales/Deucalion (Dark Lord of Derkholm). [2]

Group 2:6
Icefyre (Fool's Fate) [2]
Haku (Spirited Away) [3]
Saladrex (Forgotten Realm) [1]
The Reluctant Dragon (The Reluctant Dragon) [1]

Group 2:7
Dragon (Shrek) [7]
Saphira (Eragon)
Angelus (Drakengard) [1]
Ran (Avatar: the Last Airbender)

Group 2:8
Borys (Dark Sun)
Winged Dragon of Ra (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
The King (Discworld) [6]
Jim Eckert (The Dragon and the George) [2]


Supergroup 3

Group 3:1
Draco (Dragonheart) [2]
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos) [9]
Volvagia (The Legend of Zelda) [1]

Group 3:2
Onyxia (Warcraft)
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick) [9]
Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering) [3]
Rashaak (Eberron)

Group 3:3
Nozdormu (Warcraft) [5]
Tusenmaug (Dungeons & Dragons)
Paladine (Dragonlance) [1]
Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons) [4]

Group 3:4
Dragon (Deity) (Order of the Stick) [4]
Blue Dragon (Little King's Story)
Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy) [5]
Lockheed (Marvel comics)

Group 3:5
Gorbash (The Dragon and the George) [1]
Yamm (Cananite myth) [1]
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon) [4]
Ridley (Metroid) [1]

Group 3:6
The Dragon (Beowulf) [5]
Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons) [4]
Pyrite (Dragonlance)
Ninian (Fire Emblem) [1]

Group 3:7
Chronepsis (Dungeons & Dragons) [3]
Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth) [6]
Nils (Fire Emblem) [1]
Teepo (Breath of Fire)

Group 3:8
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth) [3]
Bahamut (Final Fantasy) [1]
Shinryuu (Final Fantasy 5)
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire) [4]


Supergroup 4

Group 4:1
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos) [5]
Temeraire (His Majesty's Dragon) [2]
Tintaglia (Liveship Traders) [2]
Verity (The Farseer Trilogy) [1]

Group 4:2
Illuyanka (Hittite myth) [2]
"The Angry White" (The Liveship Trilogy) [2]
Norbert(a) (Harry Potter) [1]
King Ghidorah (Godzilla) [4]

Group 4:3
Dragon of Babylon (Bible) [3]
Numot (Magic: The Gathering) [2]
Ruth (Dragonriders of Pern) [2]
The Archdemon (Dragon Age) [2]

Group 4:4
Bryagh (The Dragon and the George) [1]
The Divine Dragon (Dragon Quest)
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos) [7]
Elliott (Pete's Dragon) [1]

Group 4:5
Lung (Chinese myth) [1]
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons) [6]
Jericho Rain (GURPS Technomancer) [1]
Niv-Mizzet (Magic: the Gathering) [3]

Group 4:6
The Water Dragon (Jade Empire)
Annoth (I of the Dragon)
The Tarasque (French folklore) [2]
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos) [4]

Group 4:7
White Dragon of the Saxons (Arthur mythos) [4]
Nolalothcaragasint (Forgotten Realms) [1]
Rhaegal (A Song of Ice and Fire) [1]
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons) [5]

Group 4:8
Icingdeath (Forgotten Realms) [1]
Bowser (Super Mario) [5]
Chromie (Warcraft) [2]
She Who Remembers (The Liveship Trilogy) [1]

[Eldan]

Let's see:

1:1 Lernaean Hydra
1.2 Vharaak
1:3 -
1:4 Thinly veiled allegory
1:5 Tiamat
1:6 Nidhöggr
1:7 Akatosh
1:8 Errol

2:1 Maulkin
2:2 Paragon
2:3 -
2:4 Viserion
2:5 Fuchur
2:6 -
2:7 -
2:8 The King

3:1 Volvagia
3:2 Mother Dragon
3:3 -
3:4 Ogdru Jahad
3:5 -
3:6 Bahamut
3:7 Chronepsis
3:8 Drogon

4:1 Verity
4:2 The Angry White
4:3 The Archdemon
4:4 Ancalagon
4:5 Lung
4:6 The Red Dragon
4:7 Ashardalon
4:8 Bowser

[Remmirath]

Supergroup 1
Group 1:1 - no vote
Group 1:2 - no vote
Group 1:3 - no vote
Group 1:4 - Firkraag (Forgotten Realms)
Group 1:5 - Falazure (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 1:6 - Flametongue (Revenge of the Red Dragon)
Group 1:7 - Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)
Group 1:8 - Abazigal (Forgotten Realms)

Supergroup 2
Group 2:1 - The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
Group 2:2 - no vote
Group 2:3 - Chrysophylax Dives (Tokien's works)
Group 2:4 - no vote
Group 2:5 - Scatha (Tolkien mythos)
Group 2:6 - Saladrex (Forgotten Realm)
Group 2:7 - no vote
Group 2:8 - no vote

Supergroup 3
Group 3:1 - Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
Group 3:2 - "Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
Group 3:3 - Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 3:4 - no vote
Group 3:5 - no vote
Group 3:6 - Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 3:7 - Chronepsis (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 3:8 - no vote

Supergroup 4
Group 4:1 - Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
Group 4:2 - King Ghidorah (Godzilla)
Group 4:3 - Ruth (Dragonriders of Pern)
Group 4:4 - Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)
Group 4:5 - Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 4:6 - no vote
Group 4:7 - Nolalothcaragasint (Forgotten Realms)
Group 4:8 - no vote

[Mathis]

My votes:

Supergroup 1
Group 1:1 - no vote
Group 1:2 - no vote
Group 1:3 - no vote
Group 1:4 - no vote
Group 1:5 - no vote
Group 1:6 - Nidhogg
Group 1:7 - no vote
Group 1:8 - Puff the Magic Dragon

Supergroup 2
Group 2:1 - The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
Group 2:2 - no vote
Group 2:3 - no vote
Group 2:4 - Viserion
Group 2:5 - no vote
Group 2:6 - no vote
Group 2:7 - Dragon (Shrek)
Group 2:8 - no vote

Supergroup 3
Group 3:1 - Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
Group 3:2 - "Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
Group 3:3 - no vote
Group 3:4 - Ogdru Jahad
Group 3:5 - Spyro
Group 3:6 - no vote
Group 3:7 - no vote
Group 3:8 - Drogon

Supergroup 4
Group 4:1 - Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
Group 4:2 - no vote
Group 4:3 - no vote
Group 4:4 - no vote
Group 4:5 - Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 4:6 - no vote
Group 4:7 - Rhaegal
Group 4:8 - no vote

[PirateMonk]

1:1 Lernaean Hydra
1:2 Leviathan
1:3 Chinese Dragon
1:4 Thinly Veiled Allegory
1:5 Dunkelzahn
1:6 The Void Dragon
1:7 Secoh
1:8 Errol

2:1 The Midgard Serpent
2:2 Mushu
2:3 Deathwing
2:4 Takhisis
2:5 "Scales"
2:6 The Reluctant Dragon
2:7 Shrek's Dragon
2:8 The King

3:1 Draco
3:2 "Mother Dragon"
3:3 Nozdormu
3:4 Dragon (Deity)
3:5 Gorbash
3:6 Beowulf's Dragon
3:7 Quetzalcoatl
3:8 Shesha Naga

4:1 Temeraire
4:2 Illuyanka
4:3 Dragon of Babylon
4:4 Ancalagon
4:5 Jericho Rain
4:6 Red Dragon of Wales
4:7 White Dragon of the Saxons
4:8 Bowser

[The Glyphstone]

Group 1:1
Lofwyr (Shadowrun)

Group 1:2
Ysera (Warcraft)


Group 1:3
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)

Group 1:4
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)

Group 1:5
Dunkelzahn (Shadowrun)

Group 1:6
The Void Dragon (Warhammer 40.000)

Group 1:7
Abstain

Group 1:8
Errol (Discworld)

Group 2:1
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Group 2:2
Alexstrasza (Warcraft)


Group 2:3
Deathwing (Warcraft)

Group 2:4
Erandis Vol (Eberron)


Group 2:5

Malygos (Warcraft)

Group 2:6
Abstain

Group 2:7
Dragon (Shrek)

Group 2:8
The King (Discworld)

Group 3:1
Draco (Dragonheart)

Group 3:2
Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering)


Group 3:3
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

Group 3:4
Dragon (Deity) (Order of the Stick)

Group 3:5
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)


Group 3:6
Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons)


Group 3:7
Abstain

Group 3:8
Abstain

Group 4:1
Temeraire (His Majesty's Dragon)


Group 4:2

Norbert(a) (Harry Potter)


Group 4:3
Numot (Magic: The Gathering)


Group 4:4

Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

Group 4:5
Niv-Mizzet (Magic: the Gathering)

Group 4:6
The Tarasque (French folklore)


Group 4:7
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

Group 4:8
Chromie (Warcraft)

[Serpentine]

Supergroup 1

Group 1:1
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
Vermithrax Pejorative (Dragonslayer)
The Dracolord (Dragon Quest)
Lofwyr (Shadowrun)

Group 1:2
Vharaak (Eberron)
Leviathan (Bible)
Ysera (Warcraft) [1]
Smrgol (The Dragon and the George)

Group 1:3
Red Dragon (Bible)
Fin Fang Foom (Marvel comics)
Dheginsea (Fire Emblem)
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)

Group 1:4
Bolt (The Liveship Trilogy)
Khisanth (Dragonlance)
Firkraag (Forgotten Realms)
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)

Group 1:5
Falazure (Dungeons & Dragons)
Shen Long (Dragon Ball)
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
Dunkelzahn (Shadowrun)

Group 1:6
Nidhogg (Norse myth)
Flametongue (Revenge of the Red Dragon)
The Void Dragon (Warhammer 40.000)
Divine Dragon (Legend of Dragoon)

Group 1:7
Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)
Ryu (Breath of Fire)
Secoh (The Dragon and the George)
Girl-On-A-Dragon (Assassin's Quest, Fool's Fate)

Group 1:8
Abazigal (Forgotten Realms)
Errol (Discworld)
Shao (Avatar: the Last Airbender)
Puff the Magic Dragon (Puff the Magic Dragon)


Supergroup 2

Group 2:1
Cyan Bloodbane (Dragonlance)
Maulkin (The Liveship Trilogy)
Lotan (Canaanite myth)
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Group 2:2
Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)
Mushu (Mulan)
Alexstrasza (Warcraft) [1]
Valoo (The Legend of Zelda)

Group 2:3
Chrysophylax Dives (Tokien's works)
Nefarian (Warcraft)
The Lord of the Dragovians (Dragon Quest)
Deathwing (Warcraft)

Group 2:4
Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Silvara (Dragonlance)
Erandis Vol (Eberron)
Takhisis (Dragonlance)

Group 2:5
Scatha (Tolkien mythos)
Malygos (Warcraft) [1]
Fuchur (The Neverending Story)
Scales/Deucalion (Dark Lord of Derkholm).

Group 2:6
Icefyre (Fool's Fate)
Haku (Spirited Away)
Saladrex (Forgotten Realm)
The Reluctant Dragon (The Reluctant Dragon)

Group 2:7
Dragon (Shrek)
Saphira (Eragon)
Angelus (Drakengard)
Ran (Avatar: the Last Airbender)

Group 2:8
Borys (Dark Sun)
Winged Dragon of Ra (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
The King (Discworld)
Jim Eckert (The Dragon and the George)


Supergroup 3

Group 3:1
Draco (Dragonheart)
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
Volvagia (The Legend of Zelda)

Group 3:2
Onyxia (Warcraft)
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering) [1]
Rashaak (Eberron)

Group 3:3
Nozdormu (Warcraft) [1]
Tusenmaug (Dungeons & Dragons)
Paladine (Dragonlance)
Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 3:4
Dragon (Deity) (Order of the Stick)
Blue Dragon (Little King's Story)
Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
Lockheed (Marvel comics)

Group 3:5
Gorbash (The Dragon and the George)
Yamm (Cananite myth)
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)
Ridley (Metroid)

Group 3:6
The Dragon (Beowulf)
Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons)
Pyrite (Dragonlance)
Ninian (Fire Emblem)

Group 3:7
Chronepsis (Dungeons & Dragons)
Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)
Nils (Fire Emblem)
Teepo (Breath of Fire)

Group 3:8
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth)
Bahamut (Final Fantasy)
Shinryuu (Final Fantasy 5)
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)


Supergroup 4

Group 4:1
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos) [1]
Temeraire (His Majesty's Dragon)
Tintaglia (Liveship Traders)
Verity (The Farseer Trilogy)

Group 4:2
Illuyanka (Hittite myth)
"The Angry White" (The Liveship Trilogy)
Norbert(a) (Harry Potter)
King Ghidorah (Godzilla) [1]

Group 4:3
Dragon of Babylon (Bible)
Numot (Magic: The Gathering)
Ruth (Dragonriders of Pern)
The Archdemon (Dragon Age)

Group 4:4
Bryagh (The Dragon and the George)
The Divine Dragon (Dragon Quest)
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos) [1]
Elliott (Pete's Dragon)

Group 4:5
Lung (Chinese myth)
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
Jericho Rain (GURPS Technomancer)
Niv-Mizzet (Magic: the Gathering)

Group 4:6
The Water Dragon (Jade Empire)
Annoth (I of the Dragon)
The Tarasque (French folklore)
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos) [1]

Group 4:7
White Dragon of the Saxons (Arthur mythos)
Nolalothcaragasint (Forgotten Realms)
Rhaegal (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

Group 4:8
Icingdeath (Forgotten Realms)
Bowser (Super Mario)
Chromie (Warcraft)
She Who Remembers (The Liveship Trilogy)

[UnChosenOne]

Supergroup 1

Group 1:1
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

Group 1:2
Leviathan (Bible)

Group 1:3
Red Dragon (Bible)

Group 1:4
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)

Group 1:5
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 1:6
The Void Dragon (Warhammer 40.000)

Group 1:7
Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)

Group 1:8
Abazigal (Forgotten Realms)


Supergroup 2

Group 2:1
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Group 2:2
Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)

Group 2:3
Deathwing (Warcraft)

Group 2:4
Takhisis (Dragonlance)

Group 2:5
Scatha (Tolkien mythos)

Group 2:6
Icefyre (Fool's Fate)

Group 2:7
Angelus (Drakengard)

Group 2:8
The King (Discworld)


Supergroup 3

Group 3:1
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Group 3:2
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)

Group 3:3
Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 3:4
Dragon (Deity) (Order of the Stick)

Group 3:5
Yamm (Cananite myth)

Group 3:6
The Dragon (Beowulf)

Group 3:7
Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)

Group 3:8
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth)


Supergroup 4

Group 4:1
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

Group 4:2
King Ghidorah (Godzilla)

Group 4:3
Dragon of Babylon (Bible)

Group 4:4
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

Group 4:5
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 4:6
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos)

Group 4:7
White Dragon of the Saxons (Arthur mythos)

Group 4:8
Icingdeath (Forgotten Realms)

[Jamin]

Supergroup 1

Group 1:1
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
Vermithrax Pejorative (Dragonslayer)
The Dracolord (Dragon Quest)
Lofwyr (Shadowrun)

Group 1:2
Vharaak (Eberron)
Leviathan (Bible)
Ysera (Warcraft)
Smrgol (The Dragon and the George)

Group 1:3
Red Dragon (Bible)
Fin Fang Foom (Marvel comics)
Dheginsea (Fire Emblem)
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)

Group 1:4
Bolt (The Liveship Trilogy)
Khisanth (Dragonlance)
Firkraag (Forgotten Realms)
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)

Group 1:5
Falazure (Dungeons & Dragons)
Shen Long (Dragon Ball)
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
Dunkelzahn (Shadowrun)

Group 1:6
Nidhogg (Norse myth)
Flametongue (Revenge of the Red Dragon)
The Void Dragon (Warhammer 40.000)
Divine Dragon (Legend of Dragoon)

Group 1:7
Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)
Ryu (Breath of Fire)
Secoh (The Dragon and the George)
Girl-On-A-Dragon (Assassin's Quest, Fool's Fate)

Group 1:8
Abazigal (Forgotten Realms)
Errol (Discworld)
Shao (Avatar: the Last Airbender)
Puff the Magic Dragon (Puff the Magic Dragon)


Supergroup 2

Group 2:1
Cyan Bloodbane (Dragonlance)
Maulkin (The Liveship Trilogy)
Lotan (Canaanite myth)
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Group 2:2
Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)
Mushu (Mulan)
Alexstrasza (Warcraft)
Valoo (The Legend of Zelda)

Group 2:3
Chrysophylax Dives (Tokien's works)
Nefarian (Warcraft)
The Lord of the Dragovians (Dragon Quest)
Deathwing (Warcraft)

Group 2:4
Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Silvara (Dragonlance)
Erandis Vol (Eberron)
Takhisis (Dragonlance)

Group 2:5
Scatha (Tolkien mythos)
Malygos (Warcraft)
Fuchur (The Neverending Story)
Scales/Deucalion (Dark Lord of Derkholm).

Group 2:6
Icefyre (Fool's Fate)
Haku (Spirited Away)
Saladrex (Forgotten Realm)
The Reluctant Dragon (The Reluctant Dragon)

Group 2:7
Dragon (Shrek)
Saphira (Eragon)
Angelus (Drakengard)
Ran (Avatar: the Last Airbender)

Group 2:8
Borys (Dark Sun)
Winged Dragon of Ra (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
The King (Discworld)
Jim Eckert (The Dragon and the George)


Supergroup 3

Group 3:1
Draco (Dragonheart)
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
Volvagia (The Legend of Zelda)

Group 3:2
Onyxia (Warcraft)
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering)
Rashaak (Eberron)

Group 3:3
Nozdormu (Warcraft)
Tusenmaug (Dungeons & Dragons)
Paladine (Dragonlance)
Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 3:4
Dragon (Deity) (Order of the Stick)
Blue Dragon (Little King's Story)
Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
Lockheed (Marvel comics)

Group 3:5
Gorbash (The Dragon and the George)
Yamm (Cananite myth)
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)
Ridley (Metroid)

Group 3:6
The Dragon (Beowulf)
Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons)
Pyrite (Dragonlance)
Ninian (Fire Emblem)

Group 3:7
Chronepsis (Dungeons & Dragons)
Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)
Nils (Fire Emblem)
Teepo (Breath of Fire)

Group 3:8
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth)
Bahamut (Final Fantasy)
Shinryuu (Final Fantasy 5)
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)


Supergroup 4

Group 4:1
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
Temeraire (His Majesty's Dragon)
Tintaglia (Liveship Traders)
Verity (The Farseer Trilogy)

Group 4:2
Illuyanka (Hittite myth)
"The Angry White" (The Liveship Trilogy)
Norbert(a) (Harry Potter)
King Ghidorah (Godzilla)

Group 4:3
Dragon of Babylon (Bible)
Numot (Magic: The Gathering)
Ruth (Dragonriders of Pern)
The Archdemon (Dragon Age)

Group 4:4
Bryagh (The Dragon and the George)
The Divine Dragon (Dragon Quest)
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)
Elliott (Pete's Dragon)

Group 4:5
Lung (Chinese myth)
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
Jericho Rain (GURPS Technomancer)
Niv-Mizzet (Magic: the Gathering)

Group 4:6
The Water Dragon (Jade Empire)
Annoth (I of the Dragon)
The Tarasque (French folklore)
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos)

Group 4:7
White Dragon of the Saxons (Arthur mythos)
Nolalothcaragasint (Forgotten Realms)
Rhaegal (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

Group 4:8
Icingdeath (Forgotten Realms)
Bowser (Super Mario)
Chromie (Warcraft)
She Who Remembers (The Liveship Trilogy)

[Killer Angel]

Here's my votes.
(if there's need, I've put in evidence my first choice in each supergroup)

Supergroup 1

Group 1:1 - Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
Group 1:2 - Leviathan (Bible)
Group 1:3 - Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)
Group 1:4 - no vote
Group 1:5 - Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 1:6 - no vote
Group 1:7 - no vote
Group 1:8 - Errol (Discworld)

Supergroup 2

Group 2:1 - The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
Group 2:2 - no vote
Group 2:3 - Deathwing (Warcraft)
Group 2:4 - Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Group 2:5 - Fuchur (The Neverending Story)
Group 2:6 - Haku (Spirited Away)
Group 2:7 - Dragon (Shrek)
Group 2:8 - Jim Eckert (The Dragon and the George)

Supergroup 3

Group 3:1 - Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
Group 3:2 - Nicol Bolas (Magic: The Gathering)
Group 3:3 - no vote
Group 3:4 - no vote
Group 3:5 - no vote
Group 3:6 - The Dragon (Beowulf)
Group 3:7 - Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)
Group 3:8 - no vote

Supergroup 4

Group 4:1 - no vote
Group 4:2 - King Ghidorah (Godzilla)
Group 4:3 - Dragon of Babylon (Bible)
Group 4:4 - Elliott (Pete's Dragon)
Group 4:5 - Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
Group 4:6 - no vote
Group 4:7 - Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
Group 4:8 - no vote

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[pita]

Supergroup 1

Group 1:1
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

Group 1:2
Leviathan (Bible)

Group 1:3
Red Dragon (Bible)

Group 1:4
Bolt (The Liveship Trilogy)

Group 1:5
Falazure (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 1:6
-

Group 1:7
Girl-On-A-Dragon (Assassin's Quest, Fool's Fate)

Group 1:8
Puff the Magic Dragon (Puff the Magic Dragon)


Supergroup 2

Group 2:1
Maulkin (The Liveship Trilogy) [1]

Group 2:2
Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)

Group 2:3
Deathwing (Warcraft)

Group 2:4
Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Group 2:5
Malygos (Warcraft)

Group 2:6
Icefyre (Fool's Fate)

Group 2:7
Dragon (Shrek)

Group 2:8
The King (Discworld) [4]


Supergroup 3

Group 3:1
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Group 3:2
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)

Group 3:3
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

Group 3:4
Dragon (Deity) (Order of the Stick)

Group 3:5
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)

Group 3:6
The Dragon (Beowulf)

Group 3:7
Chronepsis (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 3:8
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)


Supergroup 4

Group 4:1
Tintaglia (Liveship Traders) [1]

Group 4:2
"The Angry White" (The Liveship Trilogy)

Group 4:3
Numot (Magic: The Gathering) [1]

Group 4:4
-

Group 4:5
Niv-Mizzet (Magic: the Gathering)

Group 4:6
-

Group 4:7
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

Group 4:8
She Who Remembers (The Liveship Trilogy)

[Drakyn]

Supergroup 1
Group 1:1 - No vote
Group 1:2 - Leviathan (Bible)
Group 1:3 - Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)
Group 1:4 - Firkraag (Forgotten Realms)
Group 1:5 - Dunkelzahn (Shadowrun)
Group 1:6 - No vote
Group 1:7 - No vote
Group 1:8 - Abazigal (Forgotten Realms)

Supergroup 2
Group 2:1 - Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
Group 2:2 - No vote
Group 2:3 - No vote
Group 2:4 - Deathwing (Warcraft)
Group 2:5 - No vote
Group 2:6 - Malygos (Warcraft)
Group 2:7 - No vote
Group 2:8 - The King (Discworld)

Supergroup 3
Group 3:1 - Smaug (Tolkien)
Group 3:2 - Mother Dragon (OOTS)
Group 3:3 - Garyx (D&D)
Group 3:4 - Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
Group 3:5 - Ridley (Metroid)
Group 3:6 - No vote
Group 3:7 - Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)
Group 3:8 - No vote

Supergroup 4
Group 4:1 - Glaurung (Tolkien)
Group 4:2 - No vote
Group 4:3 - The Archdemon (Dragon Age)
Group 4:4 - Ancalagon (Tolkien)
Group 4:5 - Niv-mizzet (Magic: The Gathering)
Group 4:6 - No vote
Group 4:7 - No vote
Group 4:8 - Bowser (Mario)

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[Athaniar]

Round 1 is ready to be ended, but there are still some groupings yet to be finished. That means it's time for Endgame. All groups in which a winner already exists have been locked, and Playgrounders can now only vote in the groups listed below. Please note that you may NOT vote again if you have already voted in that specific group (although you may vote again if you have previously voted, but not in the group in question). Once a single vote tips the balance in a group, that group will be declared locked. Once all four groups are locked, Round 1 is officially over.

Group 2:6
Icefyre (Fool's Fate) [2]
Haku (Spirited Away) [3]

Group 3:3
Nozdormu (Warcraft) [5]
Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons) [4]

Group 3:8
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth) [3]
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire) [4]

Group 4:7
White Dragon of the Saxons (Arthur mythos) [4]
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons) [5]

[DonTheoden]

Group 2.6

-No Vote

Group 3.3

-No vote

Group 3.8

-Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Group 4.7

-No vote

[Athaniar]

So I can get the next round started today (hopefully), I hereby declare that ANYONE can now vote in the Endgame, even if you have already voted before!

[Remmirath]

Group 2:6
no vote

Group 4:7
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

[waterpenguin43]

Group 2:6
No vote

Group 3:3
Garyx (Dungeons & Dragons)

Group 3:8
Shesha Naga (Hindu myth) [3]

Group 4:7
No vote

[Killer Angel]

Supergroup 1
Group 1:1 Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)


Supergroup 2
Group 2:1 The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)


Supergroup 3
Group 3:1 Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)


Supergroup 4
Group 4:5 Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Brewdude]

This vote is a fraud. Bruce Lee isn't a nominee. :P

[Serpentine]

Group 2:6
Icefyre (Fool's Fate)
Haku (Spirited Away)

Group 4:7
White Dragon of the Saxons (Arthur mythos)
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

[Athaniar]

Round 1 is officially over. Round 2 will being shortly.

And it's here! The rules are the same as last round, except the dragons are now divided into duelling pairs.

EDIT: It will end on Tuesday.

Supergroup 1
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick) [3]
vs
Leviathan (Bible) [8]

Errol (Discworld) [4]
vs
Nidhogg (Norse myth) [7]

Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls) [3]
vs
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons) [6]

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth) [11]
vs
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac) [1]


Supergroup 2
Malygos (Warcraft) [2]
vs
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth) [8]

Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire) [3]
vs
Dragon (Shrek) [6]

Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy) [1]
vs
The King (Discworld) [5]

Deathwing (Warcraft) [8]
vs
Haku (Spirited Away) [1]


Supergroup 3
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon) [2]
vs
Nozdormu (Warcraft) [5]

"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick) [6]
vs
The Dragon (Beowulf) [5]

Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth) [1]
vs
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos) [12]

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy) [5]
vs
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire) [3]


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos) [9]
vs
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos) [1]

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons) [7]
vs
Bowser (Super Mario) [4]

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons) [5]
vs
King Ghidorah (Godzilla) [2]

Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos) [8]
vs
Dragon of Babylon (Bible) [3]

[Drakyn]

1.1: Leviathan (Bible)
1.2: Errol (Discworld)
1.3: No vote
1.4: Lernaean Hydra (Greek Myth)

2.1: The Midgard Serpent (Norse Myth)
2.2: No vote
2.3: The King (Discworld)
2.4: Deathwing (Warcraft)

3.1: Nozdormu (Warcraft)
3.2: No vote
3.3: Smaug (Tolkien)
3.4: Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)

4.1: Glaurung (Tolkien)
4.2: Bowser (Mario)
4.3: No vote
4.4: Ancalagon (Tolkien)

[Mathis]

My votes:

1.1: Leviathan (Bible)
1.2: Nidhogg (Norse Mythology)
1.3: Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
1.4: Lernaean Hydra (Greek Myth)

2.1: The Midgard Serpent (Norse Myth)
2.2: Dragon (Shrek)
2.3: No vote.
2.4: No vote.

3.1: Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)
3.2: The Dragon (Beowulf)
3.3: Smaug (Tolkien)
3.4: Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)

4.1: Glaurung (Tolkien)
4.2: Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
4.3: No vote
4.4: Ancalagon (Tolkien)

[DonTheoden]

1.1: No Vote
1.2: Nidhogg (Norse Mythology)
1.3: No Vote
1.4: Lernaean Hydra (Greek Myth)

2.1: No Vote
2.2: Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)
2.3: No vote.
2.4: No vote.

3.1: No Vote
3.2: The Dragon (Beowulf)
3.3: Smaug (Tolkien)
3.4: Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)

4.1: Glaurung (Tolkien)
4.2: No Vote
4.3: No vote
4.4: Ancalagon (Tolkien)

[JonestheSpy]

One vote for Smaug, no one else except Glaurung comes close.

I mean, Smaug was the first dragon in western literature to have, y'know, a personality, as far as I know of anyway.

[The Glyphstone]

[QUOTE=Lord Xavius;8007267]Round 1 is officially over. Round 2 will being shortly.

And it's here! The rules are the same as last round, except the dragons are now divided into duelling pairs.

Supergroup 1
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)

Errol (Discworld)

Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)


Supergroup 2
Malygos (Warcraft)

Dragon (Shrek)

The King (Discworld)

Deathwing (Warcraft)

Supergroup 3
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)

Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

[Mathis]

One vote for Smaug, no one else except Glaurung comes close.

I mean, Smaug was the first dragon in western literature to have, y'know, a personality, as far as I know of anyway.

If you had said modern western literature I could've agreed, as it stands I can't.

[JonestheSpy]

If you had said modern western literature I could've agreed, as it stands I can't.

Well, I did ad the caveat "That I know of".

Who are you thinking of in pre-modern western literature? In my experience pre-Tolkien dragons are fearsome monsters who no one ever interacts with aside from fleeing or fighting.

Oh, and I know this won't be officially counted because I'm not going through the formal voting template, but I'd throw in a runner-up vote for old Smrgol - he was a great character.

Also want to throw in even though it's past the entry time a shout out to Mayland Long the Black Dragon, from R.A. MacAvoy's excellent books Tea With the Black Dragon and Twisting the Rope. Funny thing is that Long appears as an elderly Asian gentleman who tells peple (a few people, anyway) that he is actually a dragon, but we never see it. But one ends up inclined to believe him anyway.

[Mathis]

I think the problem that I have is your very narrow definition of personality. Is being talked to a prerequisite for having a personality? Is being able to read about it in black and white on a page a prerequisite for having a personality?

I find the charm with mythological dragons is that you're never really sure whether they are sentient beings or not. Sentient to level where they can interact with humans intelligently anyway. I mean, dogs have personalities, or so their owners claim. This would also mean that any animal ( Dragons aswell) could develop a personality, or already has one if you look for it.

[hamishspence]

Well, I did ad the caveat "That I know of".

Who are you thinking of in pre-modern western literature? In my experience pre-Tolkien dragons are fearsome monsters who no one ever interacts with aside from fleeing or fighting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reluctant_Dragon

1898. Quite a bit pre-Tolkien.

I suspect there are more.

[zeratul]

Supergroup 1

Leviathan (Bible)

Nidhogg (Norse myth)

Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

Supergroup 2

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Dragon (Shrek)

(no vote)

Deathwing (Warcraft)

Supergroup 3

(no vote)

The Dragon (Beowulf)

Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

(no vote)

Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

Bowser (Super Mario)

(no vote)

Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

[Jamin]

Supergroup 1
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)
vs
Leviathan (Bible)

Errol (Discworld)
vs
Nidhogg (Norse myth)

Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)
vs
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
vs
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)


Supergroup 2
Malygos (Warcraft)
vs
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)
vs
Dragon (Shrek)

Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)
vs
The King (Discworld)

Deathwing (Warcraft)
vs
Haku (Spirited Away)


Supergroup 3
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)
vs
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
vs
The Dragon (Beowulf)

Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)
vs
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
vs
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos)

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
vs
Bowser (Super Mario)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
vs
King Ghidorah (Godzilla)

Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Dragon of Babylon (Bible)

[JonestheSpy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reluctant_Dragon

1898. Quite a bit pre-Tolkien.

I suspect there are more.

Ah, you got me there. The dumb part is, I was actually thinking about that story while posting, but convinced myself that it must have come out after The Hobibt and didn't bother websearching to verify.

I'm also reminded now that A.E. Nesbit wrote some great stories that featured dragons as more than especially fearsome animals as well, predating Tolkien by 3 or 4 decades.

I was just overwhelmed by the force of Smuag's personality, even at his distance...

[Serpentine]

Supergroup 1
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)
vs
Leviathan (Bible)

Errol (Discworld)
vs
Nidhogg (Norse myth)

Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)
vs
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
vs
Dragon (Chinese Zodiac)


Supergroup 2
Malygos (Warcraft)
vs
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)
vs
Dragon (Shrek)

Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)
vs
The King (Discworld)

Deathwing (Warcraft) [1]
vs
Haku (Spirited Away)


Supergroup 3
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)
vs
Nozdormu (Warcraft) [1]

"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
vs
The Dragon (Beowulf)

Quetzalcoatl (Aztec myth)
vs
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos) [1]

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
vs
Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Red Dragon of Wales (Arthur mythos)

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
vs
Bowser (Super Mario)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
vs
King Ghidorah (Godzilla)

Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Dragon of Babylon (Bible)

[Remmirath]

Supergroup 1
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)
Nidhogg (Norse myth)
Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

Supergroup 2
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
no vote
no vote
no vote

Supergroup 3
no vote
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
no vote

Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

[Triscuitable]

(If anyone here is a major nerd.)

From the Inheritance Cycle.

Glaedr, Shaphira, and Thorn.

[The Glyphstone]

Bit late for nominations unfortunately. Saphira did get chosen already though, but lost round 1 to Dragon from Shrek.

[pita]

Supergroup 1
Thinly Veiled Allegory (Order of the Stick)

Errol (Discworld)

Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)


Supergroup 2
Malygos (Warcraft)

Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Paragon (The Liveship Trilogy)

Deathwing (Warcraft)


Supergroup 3
Nozdormu (Warcraft) [1]

"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)

Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Drogon (A Song of Ice and Fire)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

No Vote

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[UnChosenOne]

Supergroup 1
Leviathan (Bible)

Nidhogg (Norse myth)

Akatosh (The Elder Scrolls)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

Supergroup 2
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth

Viserion (A Song of Ice and Fire)

The King (Discworld)

Deathwing (Warcraft)


Supergroup 3
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

The Dragon (Beowulf)

Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)

Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

[Killer Angel]

1:1 Leviathan (Bible)
1:3 Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
1:4 Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

2:1 The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
2:2 Dragon (Shrek)
2:3 The King (Discworld)
2:4 Deathwing (Warcraft)


3:2 The Dragon (Beowulf)
3:3 Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)


4:2 Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)
4:3 Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
4:4 Dragon of Babylon (Bible)

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[Irbis]

I would like to nominate Haku from Spirited Away.

Um, but it is his human form. The true Dragon was called Kohaku.


The Archdemon (Dragon Age)

That would be Urthemiel, the Dragon of Beauty, TYVM.

And I have to agree - Leviatan is a fish. Not a dragon. See the medieval picture here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Lev-Beh-Ziz.jpg). Its description as almost verbatim description of a whale, especially that part about blowing steam out of nostril. In fact, moder translations use 'fish' or 'whale' instead.

[Athaniar]

And I have to agree - Leviatan is a fish. Not a dragon. See the medieval picture here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Lev-Beh-Ziz.jpg). Its description as almost verbatim description of a whale, especially that part about blowing steam out of nostril. In fact, moder translations use 'fish' or 'whale' instead.



"Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee? Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him? None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me? Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine. I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion. Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle? Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone. When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire. He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary. Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."




In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish the leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.


Yeah, that's a whale...

[Athaniar]

What is this? Is it Round 3? It is! And it ends this Sunday, so VOTE VOTE VOTE!
Or just vote, that's fine too.

Supergroup 1
Nidhogg (Norse myth) [3]
vs
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons) [5]

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth) [7]
vs
Leviathan (Bible) [2]


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft) [5]
vs
The King (Discworld) [4]

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth) [8]
vs
Dragon (Shrek) [2]


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos) [9]
vs
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy) [4]
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick) [5]


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos) [6]
vs
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos) [3]

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons) [1]
vs
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons) [7]

[Remmirath]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

Supergroup 2
no vote
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
no vote

Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos) [Tough choice.]
Dragotha (Dungeons and Dragons)

[Mathis]

Supergroup 1
Nidhogg (Norse myth)


Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)



Supergroup 2

Dragon (Shrek)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)


Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)



Supergroup 4
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)


Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Jamin]

Supergroup 1
Nidhogg (Norse myth)
vs
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
vs
Leviathan (Bible)


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft)
vs
The King (Discworld)

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
vs
Dragon (Shrek)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
vs
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Serpentine]

And I have to agree - Leviatan is a fish. Not a dragon. See the medieval picture here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Lev-Beh-Ziz.jpg). Its description as almost verbatim description of a whale, especially that part about blowing steam out of nostril. In fact, moder translations use 'fish' or 'whale' instead.:sigh:
No, it's not. Or rather, there are many different interpretations. I think Lord Xavius pointed out the most relevant passages, and also the Leviathan is associated with dragons and sea serpents of various other ancient religions and myths. Leviathan has been associated with whales and giant fish, but that is by far the only association, and frequently is described as far more reptilian. In fact, to counter your own medieval picture:
http://universalheretic.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/destruction_of_leviathan.png?w=450&h=559
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/105283/1/Behemoth-And-Leviathan-From-The-Book-Of-Job.jpg
Basically, if it's not a dragon, I'm in big trouble, cuz it's a major part of my honours thesis.

[Blaine.Bush]

Supergroup 1
Nidhogg (Norse myth)
vs
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
vs
Leviathan (Bible)


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft)
vs
The King (Discworld)

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
vs
Dragon (Shrek)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
vs
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Drakyn]

1.1: No vote
1.2: Lernaean Hydra (Greek Mythology).

2.1: The King (Discworld)
2.2: Midgard Serpent (Norse Mythology)

3.1: Smaug (Tolkien)
3.2: Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)

4.1: Ancalagon (Tolkien)
4.2: No vote

[UnChosenOne]

Supergroup 1
Nidhogg (Norse myth)

Lernaean Hydra

Supergroup 2
The King (Discworld)

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)


Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Killer Angel]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft)

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Eldan]

Supergroup 1
Nidhogg (Norse myth)
vs
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)
vs
Leviathan (Bible)


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft)
vs
The King (Discworld)

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
vs
Dragon (Shrek)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Nozdormu (Warcraft)

Ogdru Jahad (Hellboy)
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Ancalagon (Tolkien's mythos)

Ashardalon (Dungeons and Dragons)
vs
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[Lupy]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons) [4]

Leviathan (Bible) [1]


Supergroup 2
The King (Discworld) [3]

The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth) [7]

Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos) [8]

"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick) [4]


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos) [5]

Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons) [6]

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied, main part of Round 3 ended. *looks at score* One duel to be decided, and I open endgame for all. I vote for Deathwing. Endgame ends. Round 4 (Group Finals) begins in 3... 2... 1...

0!

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons) [5]
vs
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth) [3]


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft) [2]
vs
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth) [7]


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos) [8]
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos) [7]
vs
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons) [2]


The round will (probably) end on Saturday.

[Killer Angel]

Supergroup 1
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)


Supergroup 2
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)


Supergroup 4
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Eldan]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
vs
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft)
vs
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Jamin]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
vs
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft)
vs
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Serpentine]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)
vs
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)


Supergroup 2
Deathwing (Warcraft)
vs
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
"Mother Dragon" (Order of the Stick)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
vs
Dragotha (Dungeons & Dragons)

[Drakyn]

I think we're far enough down the line that it's time to start putting in our flimsy rationalizations and shoddy thought processes.

Supergroup 1
No vote (I don't feel like Tiamat [D&D version] quite fits the bill against something with such an elderly pedigree, but the hydra doesn't feel dragony enough for me to vote for it).


Supergroup 2
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)
(Okay, this directly contradicts what I said above, but it's a snake that's big enough to wrap around the world - in some descriptions, TWICE - and you don't get much more awesome than that)

Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)
(It's Smaug)

Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)
(It's Glaurung. Seriously, that guy was one nasty bastard)

[Remmirath]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

Supergroup 2
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

[longbow]

Supergroup 1
Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)


Supergroup 2
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)


Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)


Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

[UnChosenOne]

Supergroup 1
Lernaean Hydra (Greek myth)

Supergroup 2
The Midgard Serpent (Norse myth)

Supergroup 3
Smaug (Tolkien's mythos)

Supergroup 4
Glaurung (Tolkien's mythos)

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[Athaniar]

The penultimate round is here. Four dragons remain. Next Thursday, there will only be two left, two wyrms to fight for absolute supremacy. You are here now to decide who is worthy and who is not. The contestants are:



//The Midgard Serpent\\
[4 Votes]
vs
//Smaug\\
[5 Votes]

and

//Glaurung\\
[9 Votes]
vs
//Tiamat\\
[2 Votes]

[UnChosenOne]

I vote for: Smaug and Glaurung.

[Anonymoose]

My vote goes for the Midgard Serpent and Tiamat.

[Drakyn]

The Midgard Serpent and Glaurung.
Tough call on the one side, but the gigantic world-hugging snake wins out in my heart. And there's Tolkienien backup - it isn't as if Glaurung was any less powerful, nasty, and horrible than Smaug. Hell, he was a lot WORSE.

[DonTheoden]

I vote Smaug and Glaurung.

[Jamin]

Smaug and Tiamat

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[Remmirath]

A bit tough on the first one, but I vote for Smaug and Glaurung.

[Eldan]

Smaug and Glaurung. As cool as Tiamat is, Glaurung beats her. I'd have given her the victory over Smaug, but here, she has no chance.

[Serpentine]

Oh man, I wanna vote for Smaug and the Midgard Serpent :smallfrown:

No vote.

[PallElendro]

Vote: Bahamut, the Platinum Dragon

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied. People who obviously don't care about the rules or just didn't bother to read past the first few pages will be ignored.

[Killer Angel]

Argh! Midgard Serpent Vs Smaug? :smallfrown:
I love Smaug, but my vote for the first match, goes to The Midgard Serpent.

My second vote, goes to Glaurung, sorry Tiamat, dont take it personally.

[Dienekes]

Glaurung

In the first one Smaug has a more interesting personality and the Serpent kills freakin' Thor. It's too hard to decide.

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[Lupy]

The Midgard Serpent.

Glaurung.

[Athaniar]

I guess this is it, then. 128 dragons have become two, two mighty wyrms who will fight for absolute supremacy. The First versus the Last. Glaurung (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/File:GLAURUNG.jpg) versus Smaug (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/File:SmaugInRampage.jpg). Let the fight begin!



//Smaug\\
[5 Votes]
vs
//Glaurung\\
[7 Votes]

[Serpentine]

SMAUG letters

[Drakyn]

Glaurung is one helluva evil bastard, and we get to see his finest hours on-screen in the Silmarillion, causing absolutely horrible things to happen both with sheer incredible brute strength and screwing with people's heads in spectacularly horrifying ways. Plus, he's the first dragon.
Smaug was less manipulative and more pure, hyper-fired power and phenomenally badassed arrogance.

Revenge! Revenge! The King under the Mountain is dead and where are his kin that dare seek revenge? Girion Lord of Dale is dead, and where are his sons' sons that dare approach me? I kill where I wish and none dare resist. I laid low the warriors of old and their like is not in the world today. Then I was but young and tender. Now I am old and strong, strong, strong, Thief in the shadows! My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail is a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!
Alas, we don't get to see his greatest accomplishments, only hear about them (admittedly, quite a lot). He's the last great dragon, the end-book to Glaurung.

I am literally incapable of deciding on this. If it's possible, count my useless stalemated brain as one vote for each rather than nought-all. Lord knows they both deserve it.
Glaurung (Tolkien)
Smaug (Tolkien)

[Killer Angel]

Midgard serpent - Smaug: 4-5? great match, a pity for the world huggling snake.

Anyway, the final match.. Smaug Vs Glaurung is a tough one. My preference will go to the dragon that I first loved, when I was a boy: SMAUG.

[JonestheSpy]

Very tough call. Especially after reading The Children of Hurin, which expands Glaurung's character quite a bit.

In the end I have to give it to Smaug, both because of his longtime importance in the genre, and because he's a more pleasant conversationalist. Sure, he might be playing cat-and-mouse, but he's still playing. Start talking to Glaurung and you're pretty much doomed.

[Remmirath]

It's certainly a very hard choice. While I'd think either one deserves to win, I'm going to cast my vote for Glaurung after much going back-and-forth on it.
As to why... well, pretty much everything people said about him above. :smallamused:

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied.

[UnChosenOne]

I vote for Smaug. I'm also pretty sure that I don't have to explain easons as they've been allread said by other posters.

[Lupy]

Glaurung.

The Lay of the Children of Hurin is my favorite Tolkien story.

[The Glyphstone]

I'm voting for Glaurung out of sheer spleen, because Smaug knocked out my submission in round 1. Also, because he's bad@$$.

[ThePhantasm]

GLAURUNG. He's twice the evil dragon that smaug is.

[Temotei]

Glaurung, to even the score.

[Athaniar]

Votes tallied, and Glaurung is now in the lead. Go Glaurung!

The round will end later today.

[Killer Angel]

Votes tallied, and Glaurung is now in the lead. Go Glaurung!


It's not fair! Last vote was Temotei, for Glaurung, "to even the score", and G is winning for 2 vote!
Clearly Temotei wanted to vote for Smaug... :smalltongue:

[Athaniar]

It's too late to change anything now even if he wanted to, because we have a winner, and that winner is...


GLAURUNG
Father of Dragons

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs15/f/2007/050/c/5/Glaurung_and_Turin_by_Atriedes.jpg
©2007-2010 *Atriedes (http://atriedes.deviantart.com/)


I congratulate the First, Mightiest, and Awesomest!

[Killer Angel]

I congratulate the First, Mightiest, and Awesomest!

ALL HAIL GLAURUNG! WE SALUTE YOU!! :smallcool: