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randomhero00
2010-05-04, 02:39 PM
How does that work? Say if something had 4 arms with a weapon in each. Do two of the arms become secondary?

Lord Vukodlak
2010-05-04, 02:41 PM
How does that work? Say if something had 4 arms with a weapon in each. Do two of the arms become secondary?

Not with two-weapon fighting, but a four armed creature can take multi-weapon fighting.
For a good example.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/xill.htm

randomhero00
2010-05-04, 02:55 PM
Oh, ok. So one hand is primary and the rest, no matter how many, are considered off hand. So primary and secondary only has to do with natural attacks then.

randomhero00
2010-05-04, 03:11 PM
So let's see if I have this right.

A creature has 4 arms holding 4 short swords, 2 arms with claws, and a bite attack. He has a bab of +6/+1...feats multiweapon (is there an improved version of this, like imp. TWF? and greater TWF?) fighting and multiattack.

His full attack would be (assuming 10 str):
+2/-3 main hand short sword
+2 off hands short sword (x3)
+6 bite (primary)
+4 claws (secondary (x2)

for a total of 8 attacks right?

Curmudgeon
2010-05-04, 03:14 PM
There's both Improved Multiweapon Fighting (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#improvedMultiweaponFighting) and Greater Multiweapon Fighting (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#greaterMultiweaponFighting) pre-Epic, and Perfect Multiweapon Fighting [Epic] (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#perfectMultiweaponFighting).

NEO|Phyte
2010-05-04, 03:15 PM
So let's see if I have this right.

A creature has 4 arms holding 4 short swords, 2 arms with claws, and a bite attack. He has a bab of +6/+1...feats multiweapon (is there an improved version of this, like imp. TWF? and greater TWF?) fighting and multiattack.

His full attack would be (assuming 10 str):
+2/-3 main hand short sword
+2 off hands short sword (x3)
+6 bite (primary)
+4 claws (secondary (x2)

for a total of 8 attacks right?
6 arms total? Bite should be at +4, since it's treated as secondary when combined with weapon attacks, otherwise you've got it right.

As for improved (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#improvedMultiweaponFighting)/greater (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#greaterMultiweaponFighting) MWF, yes, there is.

Person_Man
2010-05-04, 03:17 PM
Note that when WotC wrote the TWF rules, they assumed that 100% of PCs would have two hands. The Multiweapon Fighting rules were created for monsters. That's (one reason) why the rules are so confusing.

Anywho, Curmudgeon gives you the correct Feats to take.

randomhero00
2010-05-04, 03:20 PM
Thanks guys. This isn't a real character, just a thought experiment to figure out the rules.

Thrawn183
2010-05-04, 03:23 PM
The moment you use a weapon, all natural attacks are considered secondary.