View Full Version : Vote up an aberration!

2010-05-21, 01:05 PM
Because I like aberrations. Deal with it.

The resultant creature, the Mistwalker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8570898&postcount=134), has been posted. Thanks to everyone who participated!

Challenge rating: 0-1
{table=head]CR | Votes
0-1 | 8
1-5 | 2
6-10 | 0
11-15 | 5
16-20 | 0
21-25 | 0
26+ | 3[/table]

Size: Medium
{table=head]Size | Votes
Fine | 1
Diminutive | 0
Tiny | 2
Small | 1
Medium | 7
Large | 1[/table]

Subtypes: Air and Cold
{table=head]Subtype | Votes
None | 1
Air | 8
Aquatic | 3
Augmented | 1
Chaotic | 5
Cold | 8
Earth | 1
Evil | 0
Fire | 1
Good | 1
Lawful | 4
Shapechanger | 3
Water | 1[/table]

Alignment: Lawful Neutral
{table=head]Alignment | Votes
Lawful Evil | 0
Neutral Evil | 0
Chaotic Evil | 0
Lawful Neutral | 6
True Neutral | 1
Chaotic Neutral | 3
Lawful Good | 3
Neutral Good | 3
Chaotic Good | 1
Screwy | 3[/table]

Environment: Cold Desert, aka Tundra

Number of Special Abilities: 4
{table=head]Number | Votes

Chainsaw Hobbit
2010-05-21, 01:09 PM
I vote cr 12!

2010-05-21, 01:12 PM
might as well go overboard CR 57

2010-05-21, 01:16 PM
Going with CR 12 as well.

The Mentalist
2010-05-21, 01:17 PM
I vote CRs from the Immortal's Handbook.

2010-05-21, 08:55 PM
Cr 12-15 please.

2010-05-21, 09:16 PM
I vote CR 473!

Corporate M
2010-05-21, 09:24 PM
I vote 1-5. I don't see enough low level abberations...

2010-05-21, 09:38 PM
I agree. I'd vote CR, say, 3. There really aren't enough weak abberations.

2010-05-21, 10:30 PM
I'll vote CR 0-1, in hope of seeing one usable as a player race.


2010-05-21, 10:49 PM
CR1/2 Aberration! Little Aber-Kobolds.

Zeta Kai
2010-05-21, 11:04 PM
I vote CR1/2, as well. A playable abbie would be nice.

2010-05-22, 04:34 AM
One cr 1 aberration for me, please.

The Tygre
2010-05-22, 05:56 AM
I vote CR 12 as well. Mid-level allows a lot of flexibility.

2010-05-22, 06:00 AM
CR 1 or so. Playable aberrations are thin on the ground.

Jack of Spades
2010-05-22, 06:48 AM
Throwing in for CR 0-1

The Dark Fiddler
2010-05-22, 06:49 AM
CR 0-1

Yes, playable aberration....

2010-05-22, 07:10 AM
CR 0-1

And thank you for making me go back and dig up the Vote up an Index thread.

Edit: Done. Enjoy. Just don't post, because I haven't asked Roland's permission and the last post was over a year ago.

Link: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105948

2010-05-22, 07:18 AM
I'd go with CR 12

2010-05-22, 12:04 PM
The winner is CR 0-1.

Now voting for Size. Note that I've purposely left out sizes larger than large, as there's no good way to make a playable cr <1 critter bigger than large. Even large would be hopelessly crippled.

2010-05-22, 12:10 PM
Medium. Tiny or smaller creatures aren't particularly playable, after all.

2010-05-22, 12:23 PM
I vote fine meant tiny:smallfrown:

2010-05-22, 12:25 PM
Because I can.

2010-05-22, 12:29 PM
Throwing a vote for fine & CR 1.
Aberration swarms ftw.

2010-05-22, 12:53 PM
Medium sized playable aberrations? Yes, please!

The Dark Fiddler
2010-05-22, 01:16 PM
I say a playable Aberration Swarm would be tripplely fun, and fine would thus be good, but I'm guessing that's not going to happen so Small.

Jack of Spades
2010-05-22, 01:48 PM
I vote tiny. If all the people that wanted swarms would actually vote for one of those sizes, we'd have a swarm by now :smallconfused:

2010-05-22, 01:49 PM
*Sigh* Medium...

2010-05-22, 01:51 PM
Large, would be kind of hard but not enough playable large races.

2010-05-22, 01:53 PM
I say Medium.

2010-05-22, 02:12 PM
Hmm. I'll go with medium, I guess, a pc race that's smaller than Small is kind of overpowered for spellcasters if it doesn't have an LA. Too bad... I really would've liked to see a powerful aberration- there aren't any aberrations above level 10 in the SRD (besides the aboleth mage, which is just a tenth-level wizard).

2010-05-22, 02:16 PM
I too vote for Medium.

The Dark Fiddler
2010-05-22, 02:23 PM
I vote tiny. If all the people that wanted swarms would actually vote for one of those sizes, we'd have a swarm by now :smallconfused:

The problem is that there seems to be a split between people wanting a swarm and a playable race, and a playable swarm would be really tough, since it can't use any equipment and all, so it looks like playable is winning.

Although now I'm tempted to try...

Jack of Spades
2010-05-22, 03:05 PM
I detect a compromise!
We make an aberrant version of the 4e Lamia: A swarm that converges into the form of a single Medium (and therefore more easily playable) creature.

That way, everyone wins :smallbiggrin:

2010-05-22, 03:06 PM
I detect a compromise!
We make an aberrant version of the 4e Lamia: A swarm that converges into the form of a single Medium (and therefore more easily playable) creature.

That way, everyone wins :smallbiggrin:

You mean like the Silthilar?

Jack of Spades
2010-05-22, 03:11 PM
You mean like the Silthilar?

<One Google search of Silthilar later> Not really, I think. In hindsight, it might be a bit hard to make my compromise a CR 0-1

The Tygre
2010-05-22, 04:55 PM
Casting my vote for a size Medium.

2010-05-22, 05:03 PM
Medium. Wallow in the glorious medium...ness.

2010-05-22, 05:20 PM
The winner is Medium.

Now voting for Subtype. You may vote for up to two subtypes. I have left out certain subtypes that would not work.

I do find the idea of a playable swarm intriguing and am attempting to create one.

2010-05-22, 05:26 PM
I vote cold.

2010-05-22, 05:30 PM
I say Fire and Chaotic.

The Dark Fiddler
2010-05-22, 05:32 PM
Cold and Air subtypes.

2010-05-22, 05:45 PM
Lawful and Good subtypes.

BTW, the 1st column of the table should say "Subtype", not "CR".

2010-05-22, 05:51 PM
BTW, the 1st column of the table should say "Subtype", not "CR".Fixed.

<Insert obligatory text to make the post long enough here.>

2010-05-22, 05:57 PM
I vote Shapechanger.

Chainsaw Hobbit
2010-05-22, 06:04 PM
Aquatic and Chaotic!

:elan: Hey, those rime!

The Mentalist
2010-05-22, 06:09 PM
Lawful and More Lawful

2010-05-22, 08:23 PM
Aquatic and Chaotic!

:elan: Hey, those rime!

....Ow. Ow. Ow.

No puns like that.

Chaotic and... EVEN MORE CHAOTIC!

The Dark Fiddler
2010-05-22, 08:34 PM
C'mon guys, Air and Cold! What could be cooler than a creature that creates its own mist as it walks around?

2010-05-22, 08:42 PM
Augmented. Why?

:thog: augmented funny word

2010-05-22, 08:51 PM
I'll be really curious to see how this will balance at CR 1

Chaotic ftw

2010-05-22, 10:55 PM
I'll vote air and aquatic. Lets see something that swims through space.


2010-05-23, 12:19 AM
I vote for Lawful and Cold.

2010-05-23, 12:55 AM
I'll go Air and Lawful

2010-05-23, 02:16 AM
None at All!

(does it really need a subtype?)

2010-05-23, 04:23 AM
(does it really need a subtype?)

Yes. Yes it does.

2010-05-23, 06:26 AM
I'm gonna have to go with Air and Cold.

2010-05-23, 06:47 AM
Chaotic and Cold.


...Why not?

2010-05-23, 08:52 AM
BTW, how many playable aberrations are there, other than elans (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#elans)?

2010-05-23, 08:56 AM
BTW, how many playable aberrations are there, other than elans (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#elans)?

'flayers are playable.

2010-05-23, 09:34 AM
BTW, how many playable aberrations are there, other than elans (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicRaces.htm#elans)?

Silthilar, Psurlons, Ulitharids, Dolgrims, Dolgaunts, Skum, Anguillians, Meenlocks, Curse Cold Ones, Ethergaunts, Ettercaps, Driders, Morkoths, Illithids, Quaraphons, Avolakias, Hook Horrors and Athachs. That's what I got from Crystal Keep and Lords of Madness.

2010-05-23, 09:39 AM
Air and Cold.

Although, with their big LA and RHD, Mind Flayers sort of suck, since their bonuses are great for casters, but losing out so many caster levels means they won't be used for that...

2010-05-23, 09:44 AM
Water and Shapechanger.

2010-05-23, 10:24 AM
Although, with their big LA and RHD, Mind Flayers sort of suck, since their bonuses are great for casters, but losing out so many caster levels means they won't be used for that...

Gestalt takes care of that problem...

2010-05-23, 10:27 AM
Earth and Shapechanger.

Just because I love the shapechangers, and earth is allways a rock-solid choice.

2010-05-23, 11:15 AM
lightning and reptilian thats a subtype right?

2010-05-23, 11:16 AM
Can I vote to see opposing subtypes like [fire] and [cold], [Lawful] and [chaos] or [earth] and [air] used instead of the specific subtypes?

2010-05-23, 11:17 AM
Can I vote to see opposing subtypes like [fire] and [cold], [Lawful] and [chaos] or [earth] and [air] used instead of the specific subtypes?

All of them maybe?

2010-05-23, 11:22 AM
air and aquatic

2010-05-23, 11:58 AM
The winner is Air and Cold. Now voting for alignment.

2010-05-23, 12:13 PM
True Neutral.

2010-05-23, 12:19 PM
Chaotic Stupid Omnicidal Neutral Chaotic Omnicidal (Read: Screwy).

A compromise between my inner munchkin and my inner loony.

2010-05-23, 12:23 PM
Lawful Good because, well, no good reason.

Chainsaw Hobbit
2010-05-23, 12:28 PM
Neutral good!

Zellic Solis
2010-05-23, 01:40 PM
LG too. I'm curious what he comes up with for something other than an eldrich abomination.

2010-05-23, 01:40 PM
Lawful Neutral!

2010-05-23, 02:03 PM
chaotic neutral

2010-05-23, 02:38 PM
Chaotic good I´m with the eldrtich-horror who´s-actully-a-pretty-nice bloke crowd here. :smalltongue:

2010-05-23, 02:42 PM
Neutral good, an aberration that isn't lawful or chaotic, just an embodiment of good would be awesome.

Jack of Spades
2010-05-23, 02:59 PM
Chaotic neutral funky (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55828) :smallbiggrin:

Chaotic because air and cold seem like rather lawful subtypes, and I'd like to see otherwise.

2010-05-23, 03:08 PM
There are a few LG aberration.

The Dark Fiddler
2010-05-23, 03:20 PM
(Sometimes) Lawful Neutral (Square)

2010-05-23, 03:21 PM
Well, if by screwy you mean that it is an alignment, but has such a different belief system that it looks like it is a different alignment, then I choose that. Otherwise Chaotic Neutral.


2010-05-23, 04:24 PM
There are a few LG aberration.
Really? Where?

2010-05-23, 05:00 PM
Usually Chaotic Good

2010-05-23, 05:45 PM
Really? Where?


I vote for Chaotic Good, a twisted line of thought with the best intentions.

2010-05-23, 07:23 PM
Neutral Good. Yup, yup.

2010-05-23, 08:56 PM
Chaotic Neutral for the victory! I mean, win... For the win...

2010-05-23, 09:27 PM
Lawful good

I gotta see this "Frostwind Paladin" could be intresting.

2010-05-23, 09:29 PM
Lawful Neutral. Because good feels weird on Abberations and Evil/Chaotic ones are overused.

2010-05-23, 09:51 PM
I vote for Chaotic Good, a twisted line of thought with the best intentions.

I marked you down for Chaotic Good, but it sounds like you might prefer Screwy.

2010-05-23, 10:53 PM
I vote for Lawful Neutral.

Lord of Syntax
2010-05-24, 12:52 AM
Lawful Neutral.

2010-05-24, 02:01 AM
I marked you down for Chaotic Good, but it sounds like you might prefer Screwy.

Yeah, the whole definition of them is that they think different from us, so what is good from there perspective? So if they want to help it could easily be like this; wanting to save a fish but instead of throwing it back in the water it changes the fish so it can live on land because they thought the fish was out of the water because it wanted to?

Bad example, but you get the gist. Lawful Aberrations are, however stupid it may be, impossible from our perspective. At least how they are defined in the book. That is... with the limits provided here. Seeing as there's not much room for weird abilities and a weird anatomy as a player race has its limits.

2010-05-24, 07:02 AM
I vote for "Any".

Lord Loss
2010-05-24, 07:36 AM
Lawful Neutral

2010-05-24, 11:36 AM
The winner is Lawful Neutral. Now voting for Environment. You may vote for both terrain and temperature.

2010-05-24, 11:38 AM
Cold Mountains.

2010-05-24, 11:38 AM
a Winter's Eve in a highly populated city. That'd be "fun", kinda like the Christmas Invasion from Dr. Who

2010-05-24, 11:57 AM
Polka dance halls!

...What? I voted for Chaotic Screwy. I want something funny.

Chainsaw Hobbit
2010-05-24, 12:01 PM
Temperate Forests!

2010-05-24, 12:15 PM
I vote for Marshes.

2010-05-24, 12:16 PM
Clouds and Cold Mountains

(I'm thinking "Frostwind" or "Cloudwalker"......)

2010-05-24, 01:01 PM
I'd imagine them being more of the quiet, observing type. So... I vote for cold mountains.

2010-05-24, 02:21 PM
I'll vote Cold Desert.


The Dark Fiddler
2010-05-24, 03:00 PM
I'll vote Cold Desert.

I very much like this idea... sort of a gatherer of the spare water in the deserts, perhaps?

Cold Dessert

2010-05-24, 03:12 PM
cold marsh

2010-05-24, 03:14 PM
Cold Desert

2010-05-24, 03:19 PM
I retract my vote for 'Polka Dance Halls' and vote Cold Desserts!

Ice cream is nice in the summer...

Lord of Syntax
2010-05-24, 03:24 PM
Cold sewers/alleys/etc.

We need a urban aberration!

2010-05-24, 03:47 PM
Cold deserts For the win!

The Tygre
2010-05-24, 04:23 PM
Cold Desert. Maybe something Ithaqua based...

2010-05-24, 04:24 PM
Oh, yeah. Cold deserts would be tundra. Hey, this will be usually LN, right?

Anyway... Cold Deserts FTW.

Jack of Spades
2010-05-24, 04:56 PM
Hm well it looks like tundra is a shoe-in, but...

Temperate forest!

2010-05-24, 05:48 PM
The winner is Cold Desert, aka Tundra.

Now voting for number of special abilities. Additionally, you may propose a special ability, which we will vote on next. Feel free to be somewhat vague, since I will have to shoehorn in whatever abilities you guys choose.

2010-05-24, 06:01 PM
4 for me please, dunno why.. maybe it it the Asian number of misfortune and death.. :smallamused:

Jack of Spades
2010-05-24, 07:26 PM
Hm... on a CR 0-1.... I'll say 3

2010-05-24, 07:45 PM
acidic blood my bad thought specific abilities i vote 4

Chainsaw Hobbit
2010-05-24, 07:48 PM
I vote: 4!!!

2010-05-24, 08:00 PM
I supose 4 is a good number for this.


2010-05-24, 08:16 PM
Hmm... that depends... I guess we're ending up with an LA +0, +1, or +2 kind of thing. I guess I'll go with 4. How about a breath weapon, a cone that does cold damage (NTBC with cone of cold), usable 1/encounter?

2010-05-24, 09:06 PM
Seeing as everyone is voting 4, i'll do the same.

2010-05-24, 10:43 PM
Jumping to the bandwagon, so it also 4 for me.

2010-05-25, 02:44 AM
I'll vote 4 as well. A special ability that reduces the temperature band in a certain radius perhaps? It's more of a flavor thing though.

2010-05-25, 02:49 AM
If we want this to be a decent LA +0 or LA +1, I'd say that less is more, so how about 3 2?

Also, I propose Psionics for the special abilities, since it's an aberration classic.

EDIT: Is it OK to change my vote? I would have gone for 2, but didn't want to be one vote in the wilderness.

Corporate M
2010-05-25, 02:53 AM
The winner is Cold Desert, aka Tundra.

Now voting for number of special abilities. Additionally, you may propose a special ability, which we will vote on next. Feel free to be somewhat vague, since I will have to shoehorn in whatever abilities you guys choose.
I know the majority is saying four, but I'm going to say 2 because even without stat adjustments, 2 really good abilities would be simpler and probably more constructive then more bad abilities.

As far as recomending an ability type, I want him to do something where if he gets struck by cold damage, he deals more damage himself with his attacks. (Possibly making it cold damage) A bluemage like effect.

Psionics is ofcourse a must. Psionics was underappreciated in 3.5...

2010-05-25, 07:51 AM
3 abilities seems fair enough.

2010-05-25, 02:33 PM
I voted four due to the assumption that the number includes both beneficial and disadvantageous ones (such as vulnerabilities), and it can be given better more flavorful abilities if some minor penalties are included.


2010-05-25, 07:52 PM
The winner is 4 special abilities.

I've decided to cancel the vote on ability proposals due to lack of interest. I am now working on the critter.

2010-05-25, 08:03 PM
...lack of interest?!

Well, yeah, I guess that's true.

2010-05-25, 08:05 PM
...lack of interest?!
Only got 4 special ability proposals. Wouldn't make for much of a vote!

Chainsaw Hobbit
2010-05-25, 08:24 PM
Lightning Blood ability!

2010-05-25, 11:57 PM
no, liquid nitrogen for blood deal cold damage and failed reflex save affected as though by the spell Slow make it pay to get up close and personal:smallbiggrin:

2010-05-26, 07:44 PM

The mist-shrouded form approaches in the darkness. Backlit by the moonlight, internal organs are clearly visible in the creature's vaguely humanoid, translucent body. White, bulbous eyes scan the surroundings and the strange creature holds a spear at the ready in its apparently boneless fingers.

Mistwalker, 1st level warrior
Size/Type: Medium Aberration (Air, Cold)
Hit Dice: 1d8-1 (3 hp)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 30 ft.
Armor Class: 11, touch 11, flat-footed 10 (+1 dex)
Base Attack/Grapple: +1/+2
Attack: Shortspear +2 str-based (1d6+1) or thrown Shortspear +3 dex-based (1d6+2)
Full Attack: Shortspear +2 str-based (1d6+1) or thrown Shortspear +3 dex-based (1d6+2)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Rolling Mist
Special Qualities: Delicate, Mistvision, Mistwalk, Darkvision, Cold Immunity
Saves: Fort -1, Ref +1, Will +2
Abilities: Str 13, Dex 12, Con 8, Int 11, Wis 9, Cha 8
Skills: Climb +5, Jump +5
Feats: Point blank shot
Environment: Tundra
Organization: Hunting party(4-6)
Challenge Rating: 1/2
Treasure: Standard
Alignment: Usually lawful neutral
Advancement: By class level
Favored Class: Ranger
Level Adjustment: +0

Mistwalkers are tundra-dwelling aberrations that can create clouds of mist to hide their presence. They normally live in nomadic tribal groups far from civilization. To a mistwalker, non-mistwalkers are under constant suspicion, and they do their best to prevent such creatures from recognizing any mistwalker presence. Mistwalkers encountered outside their homeland are usually searching for something for the benefit of their tribe.

The mistwalker presented above had the following ability scores before racial adjustments: Str 13, Dex 12, Con 10, Int 11, Wis 9, Cha 8.

Mistwalker Racial ability score adjustments: Str +0, Dex +0, Con -2, Int +0, Wis +0, Cha +0.

Mistwalker traits
Mistwalkers possess the following traits:

Delicate (Ex)
Mistwalkers are fragile, light creatures. They take a -2 penalty to constitution, and they are treated as one size category smaller when subject to high winds. When subjected to high temperatures, the effects are increased by 50%. Unlike most creatures with the Air subtype, mistwalkers cannot fly.

Mistvision (Ex)
To a mistwalker, any natural or magical mist(such as a fog cloud spell) appears to be emitting light as bright as a torch. The mistwalker can see by this light, and can see through all mist unhindered. Additionally, a mistwalker's body constantly emits a shroud of mist which is affected by this effect. This mist has no other effect, and the mistwalker can suppress the mist as a free action.

Mistwalk (Su)
At any time, without using an action, Mistwalkers may treat mist that grants concealment as if it were solid ground. To a mistwalker using this ability, the edges of mist are treated as difficult terrain, and the interior of a cloud of mist has a climb dc of 15. If the mist is moving, the mistwalker may allow itself to be carried along with it, whether it is within the cloud or upon it. The mist that a mistwalker's body emits is not substantial enough for this ability.

Rolling Mist (Sp)
As a standard action 3 times per day, a mistwalker may create a 15 foot cube of mist within 30 feet that lasts for ten minutes. This cloud hinders sight. A creature within, or on the opposite side of the cloud has concealment (attacks have a 20% miss chance). A creature within or on the opposite side of the cloud has total concealment against creatures more than 150 feet away. A moderate wind (11+ mph) disperses the mist in 4 rounds; a strong wind (21+ mph) disperses the mist in 1 round. The cloud of mist moves 5 feet per round in the direction the mistwalker specifies when creating the cloud.

Aberration Traits: An aberration possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry).
Darkvision out to 60 feet.
Proficient with its natural weapons. If generally humanoid in form, proficient with all simple weapons and any weapon it is described as using.
Proficient with whatever type of armor (light, medium, or heavy) it is described as wearing, as well as all lighter types. Aberrations not indicated as wearing armor are not proficient with armor. Aberrations are proficient with shields if they are proficient with any form of armor.
Aberrations eat, sleep, and breathe.
Air Traits
This subtype usually is used for elementals and outsiders with a connection to the Elemental Plane Air. Air creatures always have fly speeds (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry) and usually have perfect maneuverability.

Cold Traits
A creature with the cold subtype has immunity to cold. It has vulnerability to fire, which means it takes half again as much (+50%) damage as normal from fire, regardless of whether a saving throw is allowed, or if the save is a success or failure.

Mistwalker Lore: DC 11: Mistwalkers are aberrations of the frozen tundra who can conjure clouds of rolling mist. This reveals all aberration, cold, and air traits.
DC 16: Mistwalkers can ride in a cloud of mist and treat it as solid ground.
DC 21: Mistwalkers' sight is actually assisted by the presence of mist.

2010-05-26, 07:56 PM
Looks good. I'd suggest noting it can't fly though due to the traits it has from the Air subtype. Also, would the ability modifiers be Str +0, Dex +0, Con -2, Int +0, Wis +0, Cha +0? Just wanted to check.


2010-05-26, 07:59 PM
Or, on the other hand, that it CAN fly.

2010-05-26, 08:05 PM
Um, I don't think there are any LA+0 races that can fly at first level so if it can fly it should be modeled after the raptoran or dragonborn wings aspect.

2010-05-26, 08:07 PM
It now notes that mistwalkers can't fly.

2010-05-26, 10:23 PM
You mention that it constantly emits mist, are there any game-effects that it causes?

2010-05-26, 10:38 PM
Well, it can see in the dark from it due to mist vision. That said though, how large of an area does this mist cover. Also, does the mist allow those outside some kind of spot check or the like to determine where the mistwalker is as it would be originating from it?


Jack of Spades
2010-05-26, 11:48 PM
It seems like being able to create fog would be cause for an increase in LA, but that's just me.

2010-05-28, 11:51 AM
Fixed up the personal mist and clarified racial ability score adjustments.

2010-05-28, 11:56 AM
Would giving additional uses of the Roiling Mist ability as he gains more levels be to much? He gets a -2 Con after all.