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Aeromyre
2010-06-16, 02:32 PM
My brother and i are confused about this type of saving throw, It says it is a reflex save, but the sentence after that says the save is based on Constitution. I have seen this for will and fortitude as well.
Here is an example from PF Bestiary.
"Shocker lizards can deliver an electrical shock
to a single opponent within 5 feet. This attack deals 1d8
points of nonlethal electricity damage to living
opponents (Reflex DC 12 half ). This save DC
two or more shocker lizards are within
20 feet of each other, they can work
together to create a lethal shock once
every 1d4 rounds. This effect has a
radius of 20 feet, centered on any
one contributing lizard. All creatures
within that radius take 2d8 points
of lethal electricity damage for each
lizard contributing to the shock, to
a maximum of 12d8. A Reflex save
(DC 10 + the number of lizards
contributing) halves the damage."

Could someone explain this to me?

Volthawk
2010-06-16, 02:35 PM
It means the DC is based on the creatures Con modifier.

Aeromyre
2010-06-16, 02:36 PM
Wow i can't believe it's that simple, thanks :D

jiriku
2010-06-16, 02:38 PM
Yah. It's a Reflex save to avoid the shock. But that DC 12 target is calculated using the formula 10 + 1/2 critter's hit dice + critters Con bonus.

So, for example, slap a bear's endurance spell on that shocker level and the save DC will increase to 14.

erikun
2010-06-16, 02:43 PM
That confused me at first, when I started seeing it appear in books. The point, of course, is if you're modifying the creature in some what which would adjust its ability scores - advancement/modifying stats, applying magical buffs/equipment, getting a bonus from say being Animal Companion, or if the creature is a Player Character.