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CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-23, 03:45 PM
...No, I don't know why this is so popular either. :smalltongue:

Hi! Welcome to the fourth thread of Murphy's Law! As you can probably guess, I'm making an OOTS-style webcomic. It's comedic, yet with an ongoing, in-depth storyline. It starts out with a multiclass Fighter/Paladin named Lloyd Zephyr looking to organize an adventuring party, and quickly mushrooms from there into something much bigger...

So, yeah...Enjoy!

MURPHY'S LAW

Current comic:

#94: They're Serious
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#1: Why I Hate Fanservice (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/WhyIHateFanserviceRedo.png)

#2: Always Use A Pencil (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AlwaysUseAPencil.png)

#3: First Impressions (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/FirstImpressions.png)

#4: Subversions (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/Subversions.png)

#5: Oddly, They Didn't Confiscate His Weapons (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/OddlyTheyDidntConfiscateHisWeapons.png)

#6: This Will Work Out Great! (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ThisWillWorkOutGreat.png)

#7: Off On The Wrong Foot (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/OffOnTheWrongFoot.png)

#8: Well, She IS A Druid (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/WellSheISADruid.png)

#9: Don't Worry, The Weasel's Alright (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/DontWorryTheWeaselsAlright.png)

#10: Not So Rough (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/NotSoRough.png)

#11: Well, This Isn't Foreboding At All! (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/WellThisIsntForebodingAtAll.png)

#12: Captain Obvious (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/CaptainObvious.png)

#13: Rule Of Cool (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/RuleOfCool.png)

#14: Roll A Fort Save (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/RollAFortSavepng.png)

#15: Avenue J (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AvenueJ.png)

#16: Lloyd Zephyr Is Not A Morning Person (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/LloydIsNotAMorningPerson.png)

#17: Actually, Radic Has a Higher Dex Score (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ActuallyRadicHasAHigherDexScore.png)

#18: Digging Yourself Deeper (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/DiggingYourselfDeeper.png)

#19: Kid In A Candy Shop (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/KidInACandyShop.png)

#20: He Really Should Know The Answer To This By Now (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/HeReallyShouldKnowTheAnswerToThisBy.png)

#21: Deja Vu (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/DejaVu.png)

#22: No More (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/NoMore.png)

#23: They're Required To Do This Every So Often (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/TheyreRequiredToDoThisEverySoOften.png)

#24: He, At Least, Didn't See That One Coming (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/HeAtLeastDidntSeeThatOneComing.png)

#25: Tomorrow's Spells Consist Entirely of Cure X Wounds And Atonement (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/TomorrowsSpellsConsistEntirelyOfCur.png)

#26: Seatbelts Help Prevent Whiplash (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/SeatbeltsHelpPreventWhiplash.png)

#27: Say What You Will, But He's Got Style (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/SayWhatYouWillButHesGotStyle.png)

#28: Harmful To Minors (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/HarmfulToMinors.png)

#29: Matt's Best Chance (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/MattsBestChance.png)

#30: At This Rate, He'll Command An Entire Army By The End Of The Comic (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AtThisRateHellHaveAnArmyByTheEndOfT.png)

#31: And You Thought Rogues Got Buckets Of Skill Points (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AndYouThoughtRoguesGotBucketsOfSkil.png)

#32: All In Good Time (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AllInGoodTime.png)

#33: It Doesn't Start With "U" Either (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ItDoesntStartWithUEither.png)

#34: At Least He's Warm (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AtLeastHesWarm.png)

#35: Genki If There Ever Was One (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/GenkiIfThereEverWasOne.png)

#36: Ad Campaign (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AdCampaign.png)

#37: This Happens Every Few Weeks (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ThisHappensEveryFewWeeks.png)

#38: Gonna Need More Duct Tape (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/GonnaNeedMoreDuctTape.png)

#39: Critical Communication Failure (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/CriticalCommunicationFailure.png)

#40: Insult To Remus (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/InsultToRemus.png)

#41: That She Lasted So Long Is A Miracle In Itself (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ThatSheLastedSoLongIsAMiracleInItse.png)

#42: She Didn't Mean The Liches Or Necromancers (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/SheDidntMeanTheLiches.png)

#43: Meanwhile, Thousands Of Miles Away (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/MeanwhileSeveralThousandMilesAway.png)

#44: Matt Could Have Told You Years Ago (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/MattCouldHaveToldYouYearsAgo.png)

#45: 240 Proof (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/240Proof.png)

#46: Divination, How I Love Thee (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/DivinationHowILoveThee.png)

#47: A Rare Quiet Moment (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ARareQuietMoment.png)

#48: A Familiar Occurrence (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AFamiliarOccurrence.png)

#49: Think Fast (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ThinkFast.png)

#50: Miss Exposition (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/MissExposition.png)

#51: Iris Said To Squick Him Out (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/IrisSaidToSquickHimOut.png)

#52: Every Single Time (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/EverySingleTime.png)

#53: He Didn't See Panel Five (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/HeDidntSeePanelFive.png)

#54: All Aboard The Plot Train (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AllAboardThePlotTrain.png)

#55: Ursa Saphrin (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/UrsaSaphrin.png)

#56: But Seriously, They're Safe (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ButSeriouslyTheyreSafe.png)

#57: Story Arcs Start Slow (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/StoryArcsStartSlow.png)

#58: Presumably For His Height (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/PresumablyForHisHeight.png)

#59: Like Electric Guitars, But More Explodey (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/LikeElectricGuitarsButMoreExplodey.png)

#60: On Patrol (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/OnPatrol.png)

#61: They Should Schedule A Meetup (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/TheyShouldScheduleAMeetup.png)

#62: That's Fewer Than Half (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ThatsFewerThanHalf.png)

#63: Mission Possible (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/MissionPossible.png)

#64: Matthew "Deathwish" Silver (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/MatthewDeathwishSilver.png)

#65: Baby Steps (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/BabySteps.png)

#66: Denial Ain't Just A River (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/DenialAintJustARiver.png)

#67: The Best Wizards Are Unpredictable (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/TheBestWizardsAreUnpredictable.png)

#68: But It Just Might Work (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ButItJustMightWork.png)

#69: Unexpected Greeting (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/UnexpectedGreeting.png)

#70: Why I Won't Use Foreign Languages (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/WhyIWontUseForeignLanguages.png)

#71: Not Private Enough (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/NotPrivateEnough.png)

#72: Paladins Can Bluff Too (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/PaladinsCanBluffToo.png)

#73: Some Would Say Yes (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/SomeWouldSayYes.png)

#74: A Fitting Punishment (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AFittingPunishment.png)

#75: Come On, Let's Get Real (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ComeOnLetsGetReal.png)

#76: Ostensibly Heroic Kleptomaniac (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/OstensiblyHeroicKleptomaniac.png)

#77: She's Conflicted Too (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ShesConflictedToo.png)

#78: Not A Bluff Check (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/BluffCheck.png)

#79: Resolutions, Wishes, And Prayers (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ResolutionsWishesAndPrayers.png)

#80: Knowledge: Religion (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/KnowledgeReligion.png)

#81: No, She Wasn't Listening Before (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/NoSheWasntListening.png)

#82: As The Stories Say (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AsTheStoriesSay.png)

#83: Collective Guilt (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/CollectiveGuilt.png)

#84: Fir Saw It Coming (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/FirSawItComing.png)

#85: She'll Actually Be Sensible For Once (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ShellActuallyBeSensibleForOnce.png)

#86: Talk About Timing (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/TalkAboutTiming.png)

#87: I Don't Know Either (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/IDontKnowEither.png)

#88: The Montage Mobile (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/TheMontageMobile.png)

#89: Golden Eagle Shipping And Trading (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/GoldenEagleShippingAndTrading.png)

#90: More Appropriate As Comic 99 (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/MoreAppropriateAsComic99.png)

#91: Dun Dun DUN (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/DunDunDUN.png)

#92: The Abridged Edition (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/TheAbridgedEdition.png)

#93: Ever Heard Of Milgram? (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/EverHeardOfMilgram.png)


Please critique!

BONUS: Oh! In case you didn't know, I'm originally from the Crack Pairings Thread. So, I love it when people do crack pairings and stuff of this comic! In fact, I'll post it on here! Just make sure that it obeys board rules and the like, okay?

Stuff by me! :smallbiggrin::

Cleric Vs Cleric (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/JanineVsHyperion.png)

Johan and Janine (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/JohanAndJanine.png)

Inevitable Murphy's Law Beach Episode :smalltongue: (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/IASummer.png)

Young Radic and Aludean (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/YoungRadic.png)


Stuff by ShinyDelusion:


“Went down your--” Lloyd began to say.

“And that is all I’m going to say about it,” Matt cut him off flatly.

“Whatever,” said Lloyd, looking at Matt’s weasel-inflicted wounds critically, “You should probably go get Janine to heal you.”

“Can’t paladins heal?” Matt asked, not sure where Janine was and in no mood to search for her while every scratch on his body was still smarting.

“The technique’s called ‘Lay on Hands’,” Lloyd replied neutrally.

“Oh,” said Matt. A few seconds of silence passed. “This sucks,” he added in a grumble.

“More than max security?” Lloyd asked as a reminder.

“No,” said Matt darkly, staring broodingly into the middle distance.


---

It was two years ago, back when he was just learning how to get away with things and had recently tried to put a red streak in his hair. The hair was a minor fiasco—he’d bleached first and the red dye wasn’t strong enough, leaving the streak an embarrassingly pretty purplish pink; maybe he should try blue next time—but he was getting to be a really good rogue. Or so he thought.

In retrospect he realized that he probably shouldn’t have been so cocky—after all it was already the sixth time he’d been caught stealing and he’d only been at it a few months—but back in those days he’d felt like he could do anything, like he was untouchable. Sure, he’d gotten thrown in the local jailhouse once or twice, but those cells were a joke; he watched a party full of Level 2 adventures with not a rogue among them break out in ten minutes flat once. Of course, those were the lowest security cells, not max. He didn’t know yet that when they threw you in max, you weren’t getting yourself out any time soon unless you were epic level or something.

That day, the day he got caught for the sixth time, they threw him in max.

“I really am sorry, kid,” the warden had told him grimly, “But today we got three adventuring parties filled with chaotic types who thought they’d found the second easiest way to get some extra gps; the cells are packed, so you’re going to have to go in max.”

“Whatever,” Matt muttered.

A little annoyed by the boy’s indifference, the warden added, “Just so you know, your cell mate got life for massacring a relatively peaceful group of kobold merchants for the XP and…” He gulped. “Accessorizing opportunities.”

“Whatever,” Matt repeated. Wait a minute, what about accessorizing?

“He gets violent when we try to remove things from his cell,” he went on, now honestly angered by the boy’s lack of interest, “Such as the beheaded corpses of former cell mates…”

“What do you mean--” Matt began to ask, a little panicked, before regaining his cool. “You’re making that up just to scare me.”

“If only,” the warden said with a sigh, “I suggest you just try to have a conversation with him; some say the solitude’s made him snap. Ah, here we are.”

At first Matt thought his cellmate was a kobold. Then, gagging, he realized what the warden had meant by “accessorizing opportunities”.

“How’s it going, Killer?” the warden asked with false joviality.

Clutching a human skull pointed at the warden, the filthy Halfling shrieked, “Fireball! Fireball now, or I’ll give you something to Fear you worthless undead piece of crap!”

“This is your new roomie!” the warden continued, forcing himself to smile in the hope that the Halfling would calm down, “His name is Matthew Silver.”

Matt was too terrified to correct him.

While the Halfling did something partially hidden but, Matt feared, definitely obscene to the skull that wouldn’t obey his commands, the warden very quickly unlocked the cell, shoved Matt in, and relocked it.

“I really am sorry,” the warden told Matt again, “If one of those parties breaks out, I’ll get you out of here pronto, but…” He glanced at the Halfling. “It’d be a lie to tell you anything but this: From here it can only get worse.”

He left Matt alone with this thought. And the delusional, psychopathic Halfling.

It took several minutes for the Halfling to get bored with… what he was doing with the skull, but once he did, he took an immediate interest in Matt.

“You don’t look like max security material,” he told the boy smugly, “I guess without the Belkster out there to show ‘em how it’s done, the standards are dropping.”

Matt could manage nothing but a deer-in-the-headlights expression. At this point he was so scared he was barely even breathing.

To his wide-eyed horror, the Halfling began to approach him, picking up a severed head that was lying on the floor by its silvery hair on the way.

“Let’s get a few things straight,” the murderer said, “When they bring the grub in, your plate goes to Mr. Scruffy.” He began stroking the hair on the head affectionately. “Of course none of the stuff here’s good enough for his carnivore tastes, but he’s gotta eat eventually, and when he finally gets hungry enough, he is not going to starve on your account. Got it, wuss?”

Matt managed a nod. Living to see suppertime would be blessing enough. Glances around the room had let him count six different heads, and worryingly he’d only been able to spot four of the respective bodies…

“You really are a wuss, you know? You really shouldn’t be here…” As if too distracted by this revelation to hold his concentration on other things, the Halfling dropped the head known as “Mr. Scruffy.” He stared at Matt. For a long time.

“Aha!” Before Matt had time to realize anything was happening, the Halfling had him pinned to the ground and was yanking on a lock of his hair.

“Thought you could get a way with that?” the Halfling raved. The hand that wasn’t gripping Matt’s hair began fishing around in his grubby pockets for something. “Oh… I’ll do you for that, you androgynous twit…”

“Wh-what?!” Matt sputtered. Through the haze of pain the hair-pulling was spreading through his skull, he thought that the victimized hair might be that stupid attempt at a red streak, not that that was even remotely important right now…

“Come off it, Ears,” the lunatic snapped, yanking what appeared to be a sharpened spoon out of his pocket, “Your friggin’ lame disguise has failed epicly.” His eyes gleamed. “Then again, you always were one for epic failure, weren’t ya, pal?”

“What are you talking about?” Matt asked desperately. And, what did he mean by “Ears”? His voice now laced with disgust, he added, “You think I’m an elf?”

“I said come off it,” the Halfling repeated sharply. Then, to Matt’s surprise, he let go of his hair and his expression softened. “I guess I should’ve stopped bringing it up, after you told us everything that happened, but it was just too good; you finally admitted you screwed up.”

“Oh, I see,” Matt snarled, “An arrogant prick of an elf. Why you--”

“It was worth it, too,” the Halfling continued, now mostly ignoring Matt, “When you just kept blowing stuff up, especially when Roy was throwing hissy fits all the time because we wouldn’t knock it off. But then,” now his face flushed with rage, “You frickin’ set me up in this dump of a town with a frickin’ epic level prison!” He refocused his gaze on Matt. “And of course you had to come back and gloat,” he added, his voice cold.

“Dude,” said Matt, “I don’t even know what you’re talking about, and I’m not an elf! I hate elves!”

“Nice try, Ears,” said the Halfling, “But you really should have chosen a disguise that looked like it actually belonged in max security.” With a disturbing suddenness, the Halfling grinned. “Since you obviously can’t break out of this cell anymore than I can… Do you know what they do to pretty, purple-haired little elf-boys like you in prison, Vaarsuvius?”

“It’s Matt,” Matt spat, but his face was paling.

Brandishing the lethally sharp spoon, the madman said, “Because I’m about to show you.”


---

One of the adventuring parties did break out eventually, and the warden came to move Matt to another cell as he promised, in the nick of time, at that. Whenever Matt looked back on the whole incident (usually after waking up from a graphic nightmare) he shuddered to think what might have happened had he been left in there longer, but nonetheless wished that he could have been moved sooner.

In the weeks following his stay in prison Matt improved as a rogue very quickly. Before it’d been all about the loot but now he’d learned to focus on not getting caught. He decided he was never going to prison again and would do whatever it took to stay out of maximum security.


---

“Did you just have a flashback?” Lloyd asked Matt accusingly.

“Yeah,” said Matt, “Got a problem with that?”

“I’m the main character and I’ve already hinted at a dark and interesting backstory,” Lloyd said hotly, “I’m supposed to get the first flashback!”

Matt smirked. From here it could only get better.



“Nice try, Ears,” said the Halfling, “But you really should have chosen a disguise that looked like it actually belonged in max security.” With a disturbing suddenness, the Halfling grinned. “Since you obviously can’t break out of this cell anymore than I can… Do you know what they do to pretty, purple-haired little elf-boys like you in prison, Vaarsuvius?”

“It’s Matt,” Matt spat, but his face was paling.

Brandishing the lethally sharp spoon, the madman said, “Because I’m about to show you.”

“Nooooooo!” Matt cried upon abruptly waking, sitting straight up. Rubbing his eyes, he said gruffly but a little sheepishly, “Sorry, I know that’s one of the most annoying clichés in the book, but…” He looked around him. All three of the other adventurers were still asleep. “Okay… Nevermind.” Shuddering a little and trying to push the nightmare out of his thoughts, he slowly lied back down.

“Mmm… Glad you think so Lloyd… Now come here…”

“What?” Matt sat back up, looking around himself again. Everyone was still asleep. He glanced at Lloyd. Nope, definitely not doing anything to Janine. He glanced at Janine—

“Oh, Lloyd, I think I’m wounded…”

“Wounded?” Matt repeated, raising an eyebrow. He’d never heard that one before.

“You must Lay Hands on me…”

Oh. That made sense. He should’ve seen that one coming, really. As Janine’s words dissolved into little moans that made him uncomfortable on multiple levels, he lied back again, muttering, “Who seriously talks in their sleep anyway?” and tried to go back to sleep.

“Let me show you another use for Water Drops…”

Water Drops? Matt frowned. Weren’t those those little pills wizards could make out of water that released mouthfuls of water when you chewed on them?

“That’s right, put it there…”

“What the…?” Matt murmured.

“Now squeeze… Ah!”

“Is she…?”

“Mmm… You know, if you’re Good…” There was a little snorting sound that might have been Janine giggling, “The water tastes sweet… Oh, yes…”

“Oh, no…” Matt said with a grunt, rolling over and clutching his stomach. He did not want to hear this.

“I also know another use for—”

“Gah!” Matt cried, clapping his hands over his ears. How am I going to get back to sleep with this show playing in the background? Well, he couldn’t hear her with his hands over his ears, at least. Okay. I can do this… He started taking deep breaths in an attempt to make himself fall asleep faster while keeping his hands over his ears. Though this method wasn’t quite as efficient as he’d hoped for it to be, after about half an hour he felt himself drifting off. His arms relaxed has he sunk into a peaceful slumber, his hands gently falling away from his ears…

“Oh, Lloyd, I didn’t know you were a sorcerer…”

“Huh…?” Matt muttered sleepily.

“There really are a lot of uses for Prestidigitation… Mmm…”

Ba-dum, ting! Matt’s half-dreaming mind supplied for that one liner as he let out a moan of protest. He tried to sit up again, but realized he was already falling asleep, Janine’s words weaving themselves into his dreams…


---

“Nooooo!” Matt cried out again, awaking while sitting bolt upright for the second time that night. Taking deep breaths to calm himself down, he looked around to find that once again he’d failed to wake up the other three adventurers. It wouldn’t have been all that bad, he mused, wiping the cold sweat from his brow, if there hadn’t been so much… Lloyd. After shooting a glare at the now innocently silent Janine, he lied back and was asleep within minutes.


---

Remus raised his head to make his best you-should-feel-guilty sad eyes at the screaming human but to no avail; the little punk didn’t even glance at him. Apparently no one cares if they wake up just a dog in the middle of the night. As Matt went back to sleep, Remus put his own head back down with a self-righteous sniff, but raised it again after a few seconds.

Remus heard a sound. It sounded like an animal sound, but it wasn’t a familiar sound. A weird tp-tp-tp-tp-tping was prowling in a circle around them. The dog scanned the forest as best as he could, a low growl rumbling in the back of his throat. It was hard to tell now that Radic’s friend had started muttering in her sleep again, but after a few seconds it sounded like the tp-tping had stopped. This didn’t make Remus feel any better. Whining a little, he nudged Radic’s arm with his nose.


---

“Urg, Remus…” Radic groaned, batting her companion’s cold nose away from her, “What is it?”

Remus whined and poked her arm with his nose again.

“Okay, okay,” said Radic, sitting up and scratching him behind an ear, “What’s wrong, boy?”

“Mmrr… Lloyd,” Janine murmured, “You can… Desecrate my temple… Anyday…”

“Well that’s nothing new,” said Radic, playing with Remus’ ears, “Did she wake you up?”

Remus sniffed a little and let out another whimper.

“Northern ambush… Gnnh…” Lloyd was muttering, a sheen of sweat shining on his face.

“Oh,” said Radic, glancing over at him, “Poor guy… Wonder what’s going on in there?”


---

Remus settled down with a sigh while Radic sat down near the boy with a horse, stroking his hair occasionally and whispering little sympathetic phrases. It was just his luck that when he tries to warn her about possible danger, she decides she wants to get a head start on mating with something just because it looked pitiful when it slept. Oh well, he still hadn’t heard any more tp-tping, so maybe they were safe after all.


---

Lloyd seemed to be sleeping more peacefully now, and even though the way his face looked so smooth and elegant in the moonlight made Radic feel warm and giddy inside, at last she decided it was time she got back to sleeping too. As she drifted off next to a a sleeping Remus, oblivious to a faint tp-tp-tping sound approaching the camp from a distance, she decided that this was going to be the best campaign ever.


Stuff by Asta Kask

Lloyd looked at the other warrior. He was everything Lloyd admired in a man - self-confident, experienced, tough... yet there was a touch of sadness around him. A feeling that things weren't the way they were supposed to be.

"So, you've been adventuring with these for how long?"

"Oh, we're just starting out. We're looking for a dragon."

The other warrior nodded. He asked a few more questions, and without really knowing how it happened Lloyd suddenly realized he had told the other warrior much more than he intended. Even about Janine...

"I mean, it's like all she wants is sex. Yeah, that's important, but I want something more than that. I want a relationship, and it feels like she'll just go off in search of the next conquest five minutes after she's had me."

"Yes," said the other warrior. "I understand. But let me tell you something - I'm in a relationship with a sylph right now. She's a great girl, but being away from her for so long... you get the itch, y'know. Like this..."

The other warrior leaned over and kissed Lloyd softly on the mouth. Lloyd tensed up at first, then relaxed. He had never dreamt that being kissed by a man could be so wonderful. A whirlpool of emotions welled up inside him and drowned all thoughts of the quests, all thoughts of Janine, all thoughts...

Stuff by CWater
Sketch1 (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Sketch1.jpg)

Sketch2 (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Sketch2.jpg)

Sketch3 (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Sketch3.jpg)

Sketch4 (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Sketch4.jpg)

Sketch5 (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Sketch5.jpg)

Sketch6 (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Sketch6.jpg)

Lloyd Zephyr (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Lloydcolor6.jpg)

Radic Quilla (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Radiccolor1.jpg)

Matt Silver (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Mattcolor2.jpg)

Janine Nova (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Janinecolor3.jpg)

Tinder (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Tindercolor2.jpg)

Serrin Peakane (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Serrincolor1.jpg)

Colourhelp (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/rColourhelp.jpg)

Birthday (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/CBirthday.jpg)

Watchful (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Watchful.jpg)

Why was it at the top of the list again...? (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/meriwater/FanArt/Topofthelist.jpg)

Stuff by Herpestidae
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Stuff by Zanaril
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http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Magpiemanic/miscfanart/LloydZephyr.png

Stuff by Water_Smurf
Your Tired, Your Poor (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6216100/1/Your_Tired_Your_Poor)

Stuff by Symmys
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http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b444/PaxGemini/Serrin001.png

Hope I didn't miss any. Well, enjoy!

EDIT: Look! Banners! (Well, one now, but two more coming! :smallbiggrin:)


http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/Banner1.png
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165348)

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-24, 04:28 PM
Alright everybody! I posted the latest update right above; let the discussion and mayhem continue! :smallbiggrin:

Draconi Redfir
2010-08-24, 04:30 PM
all we need now is a little ball of light shouting HEY! LISTEN!

MoleMage
2010-08-24, 04:34 PM
*grumbleMaking me subscribe to a new thread.grumble*
Stupid thread page limitations.*grumblegrumble*

Y'know, maybe if you wrote a less cool comic, there'd be less comments on it and therefor less threads.

And I agree, Zelda is awesome. But I prefer Metroid myself.

EDIT: You should update the banner with the new thread.

Anitar
2010-08-24, 04:39 PM
Too bad this isn't linked to at the end of the previous thread.

Dusk Eclipse
2010-08-24, 05:07 PM
HEY LISTEN!* Yay new thread.... now lets see what kind of mayhem I can do......

*Sorry I had to

The Dark Fiddler
2010-08-24, 05:09 PM
76 comics?

4 threads?

That's 25 a thread. I expect you to be at 100 exactly to end the thread. :smalltongue:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-24, 05:19 PM
EDIT: You should update the banner with the new thread.

Whoops! Doing it now.


76 comics?

4 threads?

That's 25 a thread. I expect you to be at 100 exactly to end the thread. :smalltongue:

Hopefully. Sadly, updates are going to slow down once school starts, and considering what's next...

Tulio d Bard
2010-08-24, 05:24 PM
I still intend to read the third thread...
50 pages of comments is a good amount of reading.

Marnath
2010-08-24, 05:36 PM
Oh man, Navi....It's been a while since i played that game. I hated her constant interuptions and un-skipable dialogue, then i played the mask of majora and the fairy you get then doesn't bother you, but she doesn't know a darn thing if you do ask... loved being a deku scrub though. :smallsmile:

Back on topic, she turned him down now but i bet later on she'll reconsider, assuming he stays on the path to redemption.

Geno9999
2010-08-24, 05:37 PM
Play this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hqpbEWeFMg) while reading panels 5-7.
Nice jorb (http://www.homestarrunner.com/cantsayjob.html) with the comic Coffee! *goes back to lurking*

SMEE
2010-08-24, 06:16 PM
Too bad this isn't linked to at the end of the previous thread.

Fixed that. :smallsmile:

Tulio d Bard
2010-08-24, 06:55 PM
Fixed that. :smallsmile:

New mods, you gotta love them! :smallsmile:
And your comics are even funnier now than when I stopped reading them!

Lix Lorn
2010-08-24, 07:12 PM
Hooray for Coffee!
Hooray for new thread!
Hooray for new mods!
Hooray for-wait, I knew her BEFORE she was a mod. Duuuuuuuuude. [/stoned]

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-24, 07:42 PM
Fixed that. :smallsmile:

Thank you.


New mods, you gotta love them! :smallsmile:
And your comics are even funnier now than when I stopped reading them!

Thanks for starting again. Have you caught up yet?

Tulio d Bard
2010-08-24, 08:02 PM
Yup, just finished!
I love how the characters are developing. Specially Matt. :smallsmile:
Your work is great, Coffee!

The Dark Fiddler
2010-08-24, 08:07 PM
Hopefully. Sadly, updates are going to slow down once school starts, and considering what's next...

You heard that, everyone, less comments per day this time around. What a way to end a thread comic 100 would be! :smallbiggrin:

Silverraptor
2010-08-24, 09:15 PM
Another thread for me to subscribe to.

*Subscribes again*

Maxios
2010-08-24, 10:14 PM
Awesome. Just awesome.

Marnath
2010-08-25, 12:44 AM
Come to think of it, maybe you can link to the other three old threads, like pyrian does for the YOU! thread. Make it easy to start at page 1, so to say.

RdMarquis
2010-08-25, 12:55 PM
So this is the new thread. By the way, I hope Matt's new bear trap comes into play soon. That or during a climactic battle.

Asta Kask
2010-08-25, 01:30 PM
So this is the new thread. By the way, I hope Matt's new bear trap comes into play soon. That or during a climactic battle.

I'm just happy it wasn't Radic that got it. It could lead to unexpected surprises for Matt.

:radic: Yeah, I'll let you reach into my pants.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-25, 02:06 PM
Hey guys, I dunno if I'll be able to update today. If not, I'll update tomorrow morning.

Maxios
2010-08-25, 02:20 PM
I read every comic. They are hilarious, and amazing. Great work on them.

Anitar
2010-08-25, 02:51 PM
So this is the new thread. By the way, I hope Matt's new bear trap comes into play soon. That or during a climactic battle.

Not soon. Later. Much later. It'll be Chekhov's Bear Trap.

Keveak
2010-08-25, 03:02 PM
Hey guys, I dunno if I'll be able to update today. If not, I'll update tomorrow morning.

Don't stress yourself, we don't mind waiting :smallsmile:

Gives us more time to think up conspiracies :smalltongue:

Darklord Xavez
2010-08-25, 05:03 PM
This comic grows far too fast. I just got started going to my last post and seeing if there were any updates, because near the beginning of august I had to be away from the computer for 2 weeks.
-Xavez

mucat
2010-08-25, 06:15 PM
Not soon. Later. Much later. It'll be Chekhov's Bear Trap.
Or better yet, a Checkov's-Bear Trap.

It traps Chekhov's Bears, a species noted for their concentrated levels of awesomeness, and for the fact that if they appear in Scene 1, they will always maul someone in Scene 3.

MoleMage
2010-08-25, 06:53 PM
Or better yet, a Checkov's-Bear Trap.

It traps Chekhov's Bears, a species noted for their concentrated levels of awesomeness, and for the fact that if they appear in Scene 1, they will always maul someone in Scene 3.

But, would this then be a Chekhov's Checkov's-Bear Trap?

Lix Lorn
2010-08-25, 06:56 PM
I think we should stop now before this gets worse...

Marnath
2010-08-25, 10:08 PM
Hey guys, I dunno if I'll be able to update today. If not, I'll update tomorrow morning.

Take your time, don't stress over it. After all, even Mr. Burlew doesn't keep a strict schedule, so no reason to hold yourself to such a standard if it'll be too hard. :smallbiggrin:
We can wait. :smallsmile:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-25, 10:39 PM
Thanks. I finished the artwork; I'll put in the text and post it tomorrow morning.

Marnath
2010-08-25, 11:05 PM
Thanks. I finished the artwork; I'll put in the text and post it tomorrow morning.

Awesomesauce. :smallsmile:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-26, 08:02 AM
Well, I promised!

#77: She's Conflicted Too
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ShesConflictedToo.png

CWater
2010-08-26, 08:41 AM
Hmm...interesting, wonder how they'll solve this one?
Anti-Alavaan...that sounds familiar... Hey, wasn't there some place called Alavaan Plains?

Nice comic.:smallsmile:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-26, 08:46 AM
Hmm...interesting, wonder how they'll solve this one?
Anti-Alavaan...that sounds familiar... Hey, wasn't there some place called Alavaan Plains?

Nice comic.:smallsmile:

Thanks.

The orcs, goblins, and drow live on the Alavaan plains. Collectively, their races are known as the Plavaan (Of Alavaan). Because it's easier to say, "Plavaan" than "Orc, goblin, and drow". :smalltongue:

Darklord Xavez
2010-08-26, 10:17 AM
You do know that Lloyd would have to be 14th level to cast mark of justice, right? Its a fourth level paladin spell. Either that, or Janine could cast it as a fifth level spell, which is probably what will happen.
-Xavez

Lycan 01
2010-08-26, 10:27 AM
I don't see this ending well, whether they mean it to or not. :smallconfused:

Ninjaman
2010-08-26, 12:30 PM
This is going bad. BAAAAAAAD.
I like where this is heading

RdMarquis
2010-08-26, 01:01 PM
Yeah, I'd have to agree. The party may end up protecting the bandits from the people who wanted them gone. Hopefully not in an actual fight, though. I wonder if emnity toward non-humans is so high that the locals would try to frame the bandits for anything (can't help but speculate).

Marnath
2010-08-26, 01:55 PM
What happened to the pregnant orc chick? You specifically called her out but then i haven't seen her since. :smallconfused:

HalfTangible
2010-08-26, 02:16 PM
What happened to the pregnant orc chick? You specifically called her out but then i haven't seen her since. :smallconfused:

She's in the back, behind the goblin lady and HER child, if i remember correctly.

Tulio d Bard
2010-08-26, 03:19 PM
That Ethan really seems kinda bad guy. He looks to Good and right. And he wears white clothes.

So is Lloyd planning on taking those guys with them? How else would they travel with no supplies?

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-26, 03:24 PM
You do know that Lloyd would have to be 14th level to cast mark of justice, right? Its a fourth level paladin spell. Either that, or Janine could cast it as a fifth level spell, which is probably what will happen.
-Xavez

Or scrolls. :smalltongue:


I don't see this ending well, whether they mean it to or not. :smallconfused:


This is going bad. BAAAAAAAD.
I like where this is heading


Yeah, I'd have to agree. The party may end up protecting the bandits from the people who wanted them gone. Hopefully not in an actual fight, though. I wonder if emnity toward non-humans is so high that the locals would try to frame the bandits for anything (can't help but speculate).

You'll see! :smallbiggrin:


That Ethan really seems kinda bad guy. He looks to Good and right. And he wears white clothes.

So is Lloyd planning on taking those guys with them? How else would they travel with no supplies?

Ethan is actually a nice person. And Janine likes him too.

But he's racist.

Lix Lorn
2010-08-26, 07:43 PM
Nice comic. (nods)


Ethan is actually a nice person. And Janine likes him too.

But he's racist.
It's so ANNOYING when you have a friend with a glaring 'flaw' like that.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-26, 11:17 PM
It's so ANNOYING when you have a friend with a glaring 'flaw' like that.

But does Janine even consider it a flaw?

Marnath
2010-08-26, 11:39 PM
But does Janine even consider it a flaw?

If she doesn't, I have less respect for her. :smallannoyed:

HalfTangible
2010-08-26, 11:40 PM
Racism Any flaw isn't a flaw until you can't get over it. Up until then, the flaw is stupidity.

Herpestidae
2010-08-27, 08:00 AM
But does Janine even consider it a flaw?


If she doesn't, I have less respect for her. :smallannoyed:

You're talking about someone who refuses to come withing ten feet of an orc. Sure Ethan may not have the same reasons *coughobviouslyimpliedrapecough* but Janine would understand, in a sense.

Lix Lorn
2010-08-27, 09:33 AM
...
I just had a really, REALLY bad conspiracy theory idea about Janine's upbringing/orc problem...
:smalleek:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 09:40 AM
Well, let's hear it! After the update, of course. :smalltongue:

#78: Not A Bluff Check
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/BluffCheck.png

Lix Lorn
2010-08-27, 09:55 AM
Lloyd is going to become a memetic badass, isn't he. XD

Well...

If Janine's parents/carers/whatever were racist against orcs, maybe they'd want to instill this in her as well. Maybe at a young age, she got on well with them.
Maybe said parents/whatever used a Control/Dominate effect to make an orc abuse/rape her.
I really hope I'm wrong. That'd be horrible.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 09:57 AM
Lloyd is going to become a memetic badass, isn't he. XD

Only if you want him to be one! :smallbiggrin:


Well...

If Janine's parents/carers/whatever were racist against orcs, maybe they'd want to instill this in her as well. Maybe at a young age, she got on well with them.
Maybe said parents/whatever used a Control/Dominate effect to make an orc abuse/rape her.
I really hope I'm wrong. That'd be horrible.


No. No they did not.

Read what Ethan says carefully. He didn't know Janine until she was older, but what he says may hold some clues...

Lix Lorn
2010-08-27, 09:59 AM
Only if you want him to be one! :smallbiggrin:
Too right I do. XD


No. No they did not.

Read what Ethan says carefully. He didn't know Janine until she was older, but what he says may hold some clues...
Oh thank god.
Which strip was that in?

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 09:59 AM
Too right I do. XD


Oh thank god.
Which strip was that in?

In this strip. Look up.

Lix Lorn
2010-08-27, 10:12 AM
Hm.
A: Public Execution is considered a reasonable solution.
B: The dogma of Astrid says this is okay?

Asta Kask
2010-08-27, 10:35 AM
I love the smug look on Lloyd's face... :smallbiggrin:

mucat
2010-08-27, 12:00 PM
Good to see that the Edict of Toleration isn't as quite flimsy as the hobgoblin father thinks. From Ethan's reaction, the law must have some teeth in it.

Also, we learned something about the justice system: presumably, a human bandit would get the Mark of Justice in this situation (because I doubt the Edict requires anyone to treat Plaavan criminals more leniently than human ones; just to treat them both the same.) So Astrid's clericshave a pretty prominent place in the system; their spells count as official acts of justice.


Hm.
A: Public Execution is considered a reasonable solution.
B: The dogma of Astrid says this is okay?

Or at least one branch of her church says it's okay. When Lloyd disagrees, he still believes he's acting in Astrid's name, so there might be orthodox and liberal factions within the church.

After all, Coffee did draw that utterly badass possible-future scene of Janine battling an older priest of Astrid, both shouting scripture at each other as they fight. Janine's verses were all about mercy and redemption, while the older priest's were about vengeance and supremacy. So it looks like both sides can find support in church doctrine.

I would link the picture, not so much as evidence of a point but simply because it is awesome, and gives hope that Janine can overcome her past and grow up to be the woman in the picture. I'd have to dig through the old threads to find it, though. Coffee, any chance you can place a link to it in the "Extras" section on the front page?

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 12:13 PM
Hm.
A: Public Execution is considered a reasonable solution.
B: The dogma of Astrid says this is okay?

Getting closer...


Good to see that the Edict of Toleration isn't as quite flimsy as the hobgoblin father thinks. From Ethan's reaction, the law must have some teeth in it.

It's also that Lloyd's going to force the enforcement of this law.



Also, we learned something about the justice system: presumably, a human bandit would get the Mark of Justice in this situation (because I doubt the Edict requires anyone to treat Plavaan criminals more leniently than human ones; just to treat them both the same.) So Astrid's clericshave a pretty prominent place in the system; their spells count as official acts of justice.

This is more common outside the large cities, but definitely in certain cases.


Or at least one branch of her church says it's okay. When Lloyd disagrees, he still believes he's acting in Astrid's name, so there might be orthodox and liberal factions within the church.

After all, Coffee did draw that utterly badass possible-future scene of Janine battling an older priest of Astrid, both shouting scripture at each other as they fight. Janine's verses were all about mercy and redemption, while the older priest's were about vengeance and supremacy. So it looks like both sides can find support in church doctrine.

I would link the picture, not so much as evidence of a point but simply because it is awesome, and gives hope that Janine can overcome her past and grow up to be the woman in the picture. I'd have to dig through the old threads to find it, though. Coffee, any chance you can place a link to it in the "Extras" section on the front page?

Did I mention that I love your analyses? And I'll post all the extra stuff right now! :smallbiggrin:

Cleric Vs Cleric
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/JanineVsHyperion.png

Johan and Janine
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/JohanAndJanine.png

Inevitable Murphy's Law Beach Episode :smalltongue:
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/IASummer.png

Young Radic and Aludean
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/YoungRadic.png

Lix Lorn
2010-08-27, 12:22 PM
I love the one with Radic and the snake. XD

Keveak
2010-08-27, 01:14 PM
I love the one with Radic and the snake. XD

And she's right too.

Snakes are cute and harmless...

Well, some of them are harmless but they're all cute and cool.

RdMarquis
2010-08-27, 01:48 PM
Lloyd is going to become a memetic badass, isn't he. XD

It'd be great if this happened in story, among the persecuted people that he rescues. Incidentally, I have such a big smile after seeing Lloyd lay down the law with that guy.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 01:53 PM
It'd be great if this happened in story, among the persecuted people that he rescues. Incidentally, I have such a big smile after seeing Lloyd lay down the law with that guy.

Thanks.

Question: What's your opinion of Ethan before and after this strip and the previous one?

Marnath
2010-08-27, 01:57 PM
You're talking about someone who refuses to come withing ten feet of an orc. Sure Ethan may not have the same reasons *coughobviouslyimpliedrapecough* but Janine would understand, in a sense.

You lost me.... What are you talking about? Did I miss something?:smallconfused: I didn't read the first two threads, is that why I don't know what's going on? If I missed backstory that would fill in the gaps.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 02:00 PM
You lost me.... What are you talking about? Did I miss something?:smallconfused: I didn't read the first two threads, is that why I don't know what's going on? If I missed backstory that would fill in the gaps.

Have you read the previous comics?

And no, we only know bits and pieces of the characters' backstories. And by "We," I mean, "All the readers except Water-Smurf and Silverraptor, and even they don't know 100%."

There WILL be two prequel comics once Murphy's Law is finished, about 400 strips from now.

Herpestidae
2010-08-27, 02:04 PM
You lost me.... What are you talking about? Did I miss something?:smallconfused: I didn't read the first two threads, is that why I don't know what's going on? If I missed backstory that would fill in the gaps.

Janine is terrified of orcs to the point that she threatened to quit the party if one joined. She judges all orcs based on what a single one may have (according to my theory) done to her, so in a sense, she doesn't really have the right to judge Ethan for hating other species of humanoids.

Unless you're talking about the rape thing, that's just the most obvious theory for Janine's backstory. It neatly explains why she's deathly afraid of orcs and why her views on sex/relationships are so flawed.

In other words, it's just a Wild Mass Guess that has yet to be Jossed/ Confirmed.

mucat
2010-08-27, 02:07 PM
Question: What's your opinion of Ethan before and after this strip and the previous one?

It seems the strips reveal less about Ethan himself than about the world he lives in...and what we learn about that world is pretty depressing. I imagine Ethan's way of thinking is typical, and Lloyd and company are the exceptions.

As for Ethan himself -- well, he's just a guy who is failing to rise above the world he lives in. Disappointing, especially for a friend of Janine's, but it doesn't tell us much about him as an individual. Maybe he has the strength to change his mind and become a force for reshaping the world, maybe not...we would have to learn a lot more about him to even take a guess.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 02:11 PM
In other words, it's just a Wild Mass Guess that has yet to be Jossed/ Confirmed.

Which I'm not doing for a while (Although I'm sorely tempted...)


It seems the strips reveal less about Ethan himself than about the world he lives in...and what we learn about that world is pretty depressing. I imagine Ethan's way of thinking is typical, and Lloyd and company are the exceptions.

As for Ethan himself -- well, he's just a guy who is failing to rise above the world he lives in. Disappointing, especially for a friend of Janine's, but it doesn't tell us much about him as an individual. Maybe he has the strength to change his mind and become a force for reshaping the world, maybe not...we would have to learn a lot more about him to even take a guess.

Bingo! Except that Ethan has an ostensibly good reason to be racist towards Plavaan (More like a reason that's so accepted that very few people think otherwise.) Basically, in most places in Nordica, racism against Plavaan is pretty much the norm. It's worse in some places than others (In Runite, you get grafitti carved in your windows. You don't want to know what happens in Kago), and there are people trying to change, but...

Also, humans tend to be the most racist towards Plavaan.

Also also, someone needs to update the TvTropes page. :smalltongue: :smallwink:

Marnath
2010-08-27, 02:33 PM
Janine is terrified of orcs to the point that she threatened to quit the party if one joined. She judges all orcs based on what a single one may have (according to my theory) done to her, so in a sense, she doesn't really have the right to judge Ethan for hating other species of humanoids.

Unless you're talking about the rape thing, that's just the most obvious theory for Janine's backstory. It neatly explains why she's deathly afraid of orcs and why her views on sex/relationships are so flawed.

In other words, it's just a Wild Mass Guess that has yet to be Jossed/ Confirmed.

Awesome thanks. Yes I've read the other comics, Coffee. :smallredface:
I'm not one for commenting on stuff I haven't read....but i think i'll go re-read them, since it's been a while. Details slip away quick, whenever a book comes out that I've been waiting for i have to reread the whole set first to know what's going on. :smalltongue:

*edit Having read back through, i see it now. I totally missed the significance of her reaction to orcs. Also, I didn't notice tiasal the first time. :smallwink:

Silverraptor
2010-08-27, 04:21 PM
Have you read the previous comics?

And no, we only know bits and pieces of the characters' backstories. And by "We," I mean, "All the readers except Water-Smurf and Silverraptor, and even they don't know 100%."

There WILL be two prequel comics once Murphy's Law is finished, about 400 strips from now.

That's for sure, and I don't want to dive in to deep for fear of not being able to enjoy finding stuff out on my own. I do however come up with ideas of my own and throw them to her to see what she thinks about them.:smallcool:

Dusk Eclipse
2010-08-27, 04:22 PM
Smug Loyd is A.W.E.S.O.M.E, a paladin that upholds the law and knows how to use it well.... I am speechless.

Also... beach episode Love the premise, and now I have an inkling of proof that Matt/Serrin is a possible ship!!! (leaving Radic free to be shipped with Loyd!!!Ç)

By the way cofffe, where are the smileys for them? I need to add something to my sig.

RdMarquis
2010-08-27, 04:29 PM
If there is any hope for Ethan to change, it would probably be because he believes he is doing good. Obviously he isn't, but Ethan isn't using his religion as a mask for his prejudice, either. He just seems to be convinced that Plavaan people are inherently evil. Maybe if someone could convince them that Astrid thought otherwise.

Oh, and how does the local government work again? If a temporal law can stop a cleric, does it mean the church and the nobility share power?

mucat
2010-08-27, 04:33 PM
Also... beach episode Love the premise, and now I have an inkling of proof that Matt/Serrin is a possible ship!!!

???

Am I missing some steamy subtext to the sandcastle question?

(I might be. I was busy worrying about Fir looking at the beach and going "Best. Littlerbox. EVAR!!!")

Dusk Eclipse
2010-08-27, 04:35 PM
???

Am I missing some steamy subtext to the sandcastle question?

(I might be. I was busy worrying about Fir looking at the beach and going "Best. Littlerbox. EVAR!!!")

Not really, but I like the idea of that ship:smallbiggrin:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-27, 04:38 PM
That's for sure, and I don't want to dive in to deep for fear of not being able to enjoy finding stuff out on my own. I do however come up with ideas of my own and throw them to her to see what she thinks about them.:smallcool:

Which is why I'm not telling you anything else. :smallbiggrin:


Smug Loyd is A.W.E.S.O.M.E, a paladin that upholds the law and knows how to use it well.... I am speechless.

Thank you! I wanted to make Lloyd a true Paladin.


By the way cofffe, where are the smileys for them? I need to add something to my sig.

Sorry, don't have time to pull them up right now; I have to go now. I'll post them later.


If there is any hope for Ethan to change, it would probably be because he believes he is doing good. Obviously he isn't, but Ethan isn't using his religion as a mask for his prejudice, either. He just seems to be convinced that Plavaan people are inherently evil. Maybe if someone could convince them that Astrid thought otherwise.

Oh, and how does the local government work again? If a temporal law can stop a cleric, does it mean the church and the nobility share power?

Yep, pretty much on target with Ethan. And although the church doesn't directly hold power, they have a LOT of influence.

HalfTangible
2010-08-27, 04:40 PM
The problem with true Paladins is that they always die, usually saving someone who half the time doesn't deserve to be saved :smallfrown:

Marnath
2010-08-27, 04:51 PM
I have hopes that Ethan can be reformed if he's willing to go along with this because Lloyd is pushing him. I half expect him to do something horrible to them when Lloyd's back is turned.

Tulio d Bard
2010-08-27, 04:51 PM
Smug Loyd is A.W.E.S.O.M.E, a paladin that upholds the law and knows how to use it well.... I am speechless.

Also... beach episode Love the premise, and now I have an inkling of proof that Matt/Serrin is a possible ship!!! (leaving Radic free to be shipped with Loyd!!!Ç)

By the way cofffe, where are the smileys for them? I need to add something to my sig.

And new banners too! \o/

Lord Loss
2010-08-27, 05:22 PM
Oooh! Shiny new thread is shiny and new. Also, young Radic is awesome.

Also, she and matt are my favorite characters.

Herpestidae
2010-08-27, 05:25 PM
\o/

Is this supposed to represent something, or do I just have a dirty mind?

Tulio d Bard
2010-08-27, 05:34 PM
Is this supposed to represent something, or do I just have a dirty mind?

We (me and friends) use it like a guy with raised arms of excitement. I thought it was universal. But I don't think I can use it anymore. :smalleek:

Ranielle
2010-08-27, 07:21 PM
Good work, I enjoy this =]

Silverraptor
2010-08-27, 08:41 PM
Which is why I'm not telling you anything else. :smallbiggrin:


...Unless I ask for something specific, right?

Draconi Redfir
2010-08-28, 06:21 AM
im just wondering why the hobgoblin chick is still tied up :smallbiggrin:

Asta Kask
2010-08-28, 07:23 AM
im just wondering why the hobgoblin chick is still tied up :smallbiggrin:

because she likes it?

Lix Lorn
2010-08-28, 09:05 AM
because she likes it?
No, I am not a hobgoblin.
XD

Darklord Xavez
2010-08-28, 12:18 PM
Smug Loyd is A.W.E.S.O.M.E, a paladin that upholds the law and knows how to use it well.... I am speechless.

Also... beach episode Love the premise, and now I have an inkling of proof that Matt/Serrin is a possible ship!!! (leaving Radic free to be shipped with Loyd!!!Ç)

By the way cofffe, where are the smileys for them? I need to add something to my sig.

Also, one question about that one: What is Janine talking about?
-Xavez

mucat
2010-08-28, 12:23 PM
Also, one question about that one: What is Janine talking about?

A drink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_on_the_beach), clearly.

Asta Kask
2010-08-28, 01:06 PM
No, I am not a hobgoblin.
XD

You just curl up by my feet like a nice girl.

*strokes hair*

*looks evil*

Darklord Xavez
2010-08-28, 01:42 PM
You just curl up by my feet like a nice girl.

*strokes hair*

*looks evil*

*Looks confused*

*is evil*
-Xavez
P.S. @mucat: Now I get that joke.

Lix Lorn
2010-08-28, 02:02 PM
You just curl up by my feet like a nice girl.

*strokes hair*

*looks evil*
(Curls up next to feet like nice girl)
(purrs)

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-28, 02:34 PM
Guys, PLEASE try to stay on topic here!

I'm going to look at colleges tomorrow; I don't know if I'll be able to update. I'll be back Tuesday or Wednesday. School starts September 9th.

Asta Kask
2010-08-28, 02:39 PM
You're just jealous because Liz isn't at your feet. :smalltongue:

Anyone else think Ethan is going to pull shenanigans? He'll call a lawyer. Then we can have lawyer jokes, and Coffee has access to two inexhaustible sources of lawyer jokes.

Lix Lorn
2010-08-28, 02:44 PM
Who wouldn't be?

It could go either way. He could be chastened enough to obey Lloyd's edict, or he could be racist enough to try to bypass it.

And I'm pretty sure Coffee is probably sick of lawyer jokes. XD

Lord Raziere
2010-08-28, 03:33 PM
Who wouldn't be?

It could go either way. He could be chastened enough to obey Lloyd's edict, or he could be racist enough to try to bypass it.

And I'm pretty sure Coffee is probably sick of lawyer jokes. XD

I know I am! making fun of robots is boring! (I've made joke history and made fun of lawyers and lawyer jokes at the same time, yes.)

on topic: now what will happen? I sense something involving legal stuff and prejudices coming......

Asta Kask
2010-08-28, 03:39 PM
Well, law rooms supposedly aren't about prejudices - it's about what you can prove.

These are the facts of the case and they are not in dispute: These guys have committed crimes of robbery and murder. The halfling who died earlier (sorry, I'm terrible at names) has relatives - they'll want closure and justice.

If Lloyd pulls the law case then Ethan can pull it right back. And the fact that they were starving may be mitigating circumstances, but it's still robbery and murder.

We may be staring at a courtroom drama.

Lloyd: "I want the truth!"

Ethan: "You can't handle the truth!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGvQtumNAY)

Stabber
2010-08-28, 03:42 PM
very nice comic.
-the stab

SpekterofDavid
2010-08-28, 04:51 PM
By god, your awseome.

Nice Writing, Just aviod the characters becoming mary Sue.

HalfTangible
2010-08-28, 05:43 PM
It could go either way. He could be chastened enough to obey Lloyd's edict, or he could be racist enough to try to bypass it.

Or he could bring up that you don't get off on robbery and murder by saying 'i'm sorry, i had mouths to feed'

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-29, 09:09 AM
very nice comic.
-the stab

Thank you.


By god, your awseome.

Nice Writing, Just aviod the characters becoming mary Sue.

Thanks. But honestly, I don't think I have to worry about that. :smalltongue:


Or he could bring up that you don't get off on robbery and murder by saying 'i'm sorry, i had mouths to feed'

Possibly. But paladins are very well respected in their religion.

Marnath
2010-08-29, 12:47 PM
I don't really think there will be a trial. They were going to hang them, but Lloyd has pushed for them to be given mark's of justice and sent on their way. A trial would be pointless as there could be only two outcomes. Executing them, and sending them away with marks. Lloyd already vetoed the first option.

Darklord Xavez
2010-08-29, 12:47 PM
Possibly. But paladins are very well respected in their religion.

One would think so. I still don't entirely know who this Ethan person is, though. I know that he's a cleric of some sort; is he the person in power in the region they are in?
-Xavez

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-29, 01:04 PM
One would think so. I still don't entirely know who this Ethan person is, though. I know that he's a cleric of some sort; is he the person in power in the region they are in?
-Xavez

Yeah. In small villages such as these, the higher-level characters, especially clerics, often become de facto leaders. This is especially true in places like Laria, where the Astridian religion has a strong presence.

Cyborg Mage
2010-08-30, 02:43 PM
You, ma'm, have a future doing this. I see good humour, nice character development and unexplained backstory topics (Which, now that I mention it, might start a big debate about why Lloyd is so hard on himself), and some good comic art too. Keep up the good work, and don't take it too hard if people start complaining about slow updates. Most of us would rather have a good comic in a week than something that's barely filler in 3 days.

Asta Kask
2010-08-30, 02:54 PM
Lloyd's a paladin. Paladin either have the Guilt Complex from Hell or are psychotic psychopaths... :smallsmile:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-30, 02:58 PM
You, ma'm, have a future doing this. I see good humour, nice character development and unexplained backstory topics (Which, now that I mention it, might start a big debate about why Lloyd is so hard on himself), and some good comic art too. Keep up the good work, and don't take it too hard if people start complaining about slow updates. Most of us would rather have a good comic in a week than something that's barely filler in 3 days.

Thank you. :smallredface: And I would enjoy seeing a big debate about Lloyd too. :smallbiggrin:

Don't worry; there won't be much filler, if any. I know where I'm going with this. However, I can't update today because I'm looking at colleges. I'll try to update on Wednesday and I *Should* be able to post on Friday, but if Hurricane Earl hits here...:smalleek:

Lix Lorn
2010-08-30, 03:16 PM
Storm, storm, go away, come again just never, kay?

RdMarquis
2010-08-30, 03:29 PM
Storm, storm, go away, come again just never, kay?

Agreed. But if the weather does get bad, stay safe. We'll see you when you get back.

Keveak
2010-08-30, 03:41 PM
Thank you. :smallredface: And I would enjoy seeing a big debate about Lloyd too. :smallbiggrin:

Don't worry; there won't be much filler, if any. I know where I'm going with this. However, I can't update today because I'm looking at colleges. I'll try to update on Wednesday and I *Should* be able to post on Friday, but if Hurricane Earl hits here...:smalleek:

Hurricane? :smalleek:

Green-nosed jar of butter am I glad I'm Danish.

If there's any chance of it hitting then prepare, we can wait :smalleek:

Darklord Xavez
2010-08-30, 05:12 PM
Storm, storm, go away, come again just never, kay?

Why not cast Control Weather and be done with it?
-Xavez

CWater
2010-08-30, 08:19 PM
Hurricane? :smalleek:

Green-nosed jar of butter am I glad I'm Danish.

If there's any chance of it hitting then prepare, we can wait :smalleek:

:smalleek:I second this! (except that I'm Finnish)

CoffeeIncluded
2010-08-30, 08:40 PM
Thanks guys. I hope things will be fine too.

Silverraptor
2010-08-30, 08:49 PM
Ya, I heard about Hurricane Earl. Not worried yet though, it Looks like it will go north and burn out on it's own. (Although if you continue having that heat wave...)

MoleMage
2010-08-30, 09:18 PM
Be safe Coffee. Hope you're enjoying your college search.

Asta Kask
2010-08-31, 06:39 AM
Here I am

http://download-my-name-is-earl-episodes.edogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/earllee.jpg

Rock you like a hurricane!

Marnath
2010-08-31, 07:48 PM
Be safe Coffee. Hope you're enjoying your college search.

Yeah, what he said! :smallsmile:

Lycan 01
2010-08-31, 08:01 PM
Take care, Coffee. Earl looks like its gonna be a biggie. :smalleek:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-01, 11:49 AM
Thanks guys. Hopefully I'll just have bad weather.

School starts on Tuesday. I'm going to try to update every day, including later tonight, but no guarantees.

Asta Kask
2010-09-01, 01:07 PM
Thanks guys. Hopefully I'll just have bad weather.

School starts on Tuesday. I'm going to try to update every day, including later tonight, but no guarantees.

Don't wear yourself out, ok? And remember to walk the dog - Zoe needs some attention too.

Keveak
2010-09-01, 02:21 PM
Thanks guys. Hopefully I'll just have bad weather.

School starts on Tuesday. I'm going to try to update every day, including later tonight, but no guarantees.

Calm down, dude... er dudette, we have patience enough to understand that you can't use all your time on comics :smallsmile:

Mostly because we are busy with the theories that would make the Question shake his head in disbelief :smalltongue:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-01, 05:07 PM
Thanks guys, I'm just nervous because of college.

Update now, hopefully a better one tomorrow. Part of the reason I want to do a bunch now is that I have some very technically complicated ones coming up that I want to do before school starts.

#79: Resolutions, Wishes, And Prayers
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ResolutionsWishesAndPrayers.png

Lix Lorn
2010-09-01, 05:11 PM
Forgot to format that, mdear. XD (Huggles)
Haha, you saw. (Huggles anyway)

Hooray! Terrence!

...Day of Descent... that sounds... ominous...
It sounds to me like Somethings Rotten in the State Religion of Denmark Astrid.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-01, 05:17 PM
Forgot to format that, mdear. XD (Huggles)
Haha, you saw. (Huggles anyway)

Hooray! Terrence!

...Day of Descent... that sounds... ominous...
It sounds to me like Somethings Rotten in the State Religion of Denmark Astrid.

No, actually the Day of Descent is a joyous occasion, a time of celebration. You'll find out why later.

Lix Lorn
2010-09-01, 05:19 PM
Descent is just a... well, negative word, normally.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-01, 05:23 PM
Descent is just a... well, negative word, normally.

You forget this is Murphy's Law and Aequar we're talking about. :smallamused:

Lix Lorn
2010-09-01, 05:29 PM
Ooh, burnt, I lose. XD

HalfTangible
2010-09-01, 07:38 PM
Ooh, burnt, I lose. XD

Arguing with a girl about anything is always a losing battle. Even if you're a girl. ESPECIALLY if that girl is the author and that 'anything' is their own story :smalltongue:

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-01, 07:45 PM
Arguing with a girl about anything is always a losing battle. Even if you're a girl. ESPECIALLY if that girl is the author and that 'anything' is their own story :smalltongue:

This man speaks the truth, that is a lesson that I had to learn the hard way.

Coffee I hate to say it; but this comic IMO is one of your weakest works, I know this is a build up for greater things cough*dayofdescent*cough but it seemed kinda fillerish, and to top things of I couldn't understand the last panel.

mmmm oh yeah, good luck with college hunting, I am starting college next year too.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-01, 07:51 PM
This man speaks the truth, that is a lesson that I had to learn the hard way.

Coffee I hate to say it; but this comic IMO is one of your weakest works, I know this is a build up for greater things cough*dayofdescent*cough but it seemed kinda fillerish, and to top things of I couldn't understand the last panel.

mmmm oh yeah, good luck with college hunting, I am starting college next year too.

I'm not too pleased with this one either. :smallannoyed: That's what happens when you wanted to put something else in there but then you realized that there wasn't enough room in this comic, so you need to put it in the next one. Which will hopefully be tomorrow, so this one won't be up for long.

And in the last panel Janine and Ethan are saying goodbye, and are wishing each other a happy Day Of Descent. Ethan knows that Janine is probably going to see Prince Riley's coronation.

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-01, 07:53 PM
Thanks for the clarification... yeah it just seemed weird the jump from the conversation between Ethan and Loyd to the farewell between Ethan and Janine

Lord Loss
2010-09-01, 07:56 PM
Not a strong comic, but a small problem for a comic from which we've seen such great things from. The great makes up for the bad by a lot. a really big lot.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-01, 07:59 PM
Again, I'm really sorry about the weakness of this comic, and I promise that tomorrow's comic will be very interesting.

mucat
2010-09-01, 08:15 PM
Descent is just a... well, negative word, normally.

Well, the word could mean many things. It could be "descent" as in "ancestry"...a day to celebrate and honor the people you descend from. Or it could commemorate the day Astrid descended to earth to perform some great miracle...

Or it could just mean we're all descending to hell in a handbasket, but we may as well get in a good party on the way. :smallwink:

RdMarquis
2010-09-01, 09:07 PM
This latest comic does seem to jump around a little bit, but it definitely makes me interested in what comes next. Is Remus carrying both those bags?

Oh, and good luck with college. Have a plan (class-wise) for what you want to do with your time there, but remember to enjoy the experience as well.

Marnath
2010-09-01, 09:49 PM
Again, I'm really sorry about the weakness of this comic, and I promise that tomorrow's comic will be very interesting.

I don't see how it's weak.... :smallconfused:
Seems fine to me. :smallsmile:

mucat
2010-09-01, 10:24 PM
I didn't find this installment weak or "fillerish". Granted, it depicts a quiet time between major events, but we get closure on several important plot points -- Terrence is getting raised, the bandits (with newly minted Marks of Justice) are free to go, and Ethan and Janice are parting on good terms despite the recent clash of views.

A few things did feel unclear or a little rushed, though. Ethan's remark about Lloyd being a paladin of Kato doesn't quite ring true. I assume he means it as an insult, but his expression is confused rather than angry, and it doesn't really fit the topic of their argument. Ethan thinks Lloyd is being too merciful, which is just the opposite of how Paladins of Kato behave. (Janine points this out, but I still don't get what Ethan meant by the remark.)

Or is Ethan being totally straightforward, and saying he really did think Lloyd was a follower of Kato? (Perhaps alluding to Lloyd's mysterious past.) In that case, though, it seems like an odd time for him to bring it up, after they've already argued about Astrid's will.

Also, are the faint lines on the orc's forehead a Mark of Justice, or just random strands of hair? No great concern either way; it's clear from context that they did get the Marks. I was just curious.

Overall, though, I enjoyed reading this as always, and I look forward to seeing the gang hit the road in search of their next fiasco adventure. :smallsmile:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-01, 10:30 PM
A few things did feel unclear or a little rushed, though. Ethan's remark about Lloyd being a paladin of Kato doesn't quite ring true. I assume he means it as an insult, but his expression is confused rather than angry, and it doesn't really fit the topic of their argument. Ethan thinks Lloyd is being too merciful, which is just the opposite of how Paladins of Kato behave. (Janine points this out, but I still don't get what Ethan meant by the remark.)

Ethan originally believed that Lloyd was a paladin of Kago who wasn't in the army for some reason, possibly on a solo mission, but Lloyd is acting the complete opposite of how a paladin of Kago would be expected to act.


Also, are the faint lines on the orc's forehead a Mark of Justice, or just random strands of hair? No great concern either way; it's clear from context that they did get the Marks. I was just curious.

Nice catch! Yes, it's the mark.

RdMarquis
2010-09-02, 12:08 AM
Oh, man, I didn't even see the orc there (if ever there was a sign one needed points in Spot). :smalltongue:

Draconi Redfir
2010-09-02, 08:22 AM
i am just laughing about how Remus, that tiny little dog, is carrying those two giant honkin bags of stuff without a problem XD

Dark Faun
2010-09-02, 01:57 PM
Interesting developments.

Don't force yourself to update everyday. College's more important than a webcomic.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-02, 02:05 PM
Interesting developments.

Don't force yourself to update everyday. College's more important than a webcomic.

Wow, you're back. What do you think of this?

Dark Faun
2010-09-02, 02:16 PM
I try not to say anything negative about people or their works (my success in this endeavor is mitigated), but you did ask for critique in the first post. Now keep in mind that this is only an opinion and I know next to nothing about storycrafting.

I feel you've been borrowing too much from the Order of the Stick lately. The party leader complaining about railroading, the dramatic, genre-savvy bards with their "DON'T SAY IT!", the androgynous elves (admittedly something there from the very beginning), the Mark of Justice... I used to find Murphy's Law to be an original comic that happened to borrow Rich Burlew's style, but now I feel like I am reading a copy of the Order of the Stick.

You already know what I think of Janine.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-02, 02:27 PM
Okay. Thanks. The thing with the Mark of Justice is that it delves a bit deeper into Lloyd's philosophies, compared with the philosophies of the other humans, especially other Astridians.

Dark Faun
2010-09-02, 02:40 PM
Speaking of Lloyd's philosophies, I found his bluff to Matt to be extremely callous, though I can't put my finger on why I feel this way.

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 03:27 PM
Speaking of Lloyd's philosophies, I found his bluff to Matt to be extremely callous, though I can't put my finger on why I feel this way.
Because he stripped down (which is extreme given Lloyd isn't involved with Matt and they have a nymphomaniac nearby) entirely to prove a point?

Jjeinn-tae
2010-09-02, 03:50 PM
Because he stripped down (which is extreme given Lloyd isn't involved with Matt and they have a nymphomaniac nearby) entirely to prove a point?

I suppose you've not seen someone take a route completely out of character (seemingly at least) to make a point. The fact that it's so far away from what you would expect them to be willing or capable of really causes the person to snap out of it, and really get the message. It's quite effective and I've seen it in person... it usually does not involve stripping though, but it was a good way to get Matt to panic.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-02, 03:57 PM
I suppose you've not seen someone take a route completely out of character (seemingly at least) to make a point. The fact that it's so far away from what you would expect them to be willing or capable of really causes the person to snap out of it, and really get the message. It's quite effective and I've seen it in person... it usually does not involve stripping though, but it was a good way to get Matt to panic.

Yep. Jjeinn-tae's got it.

Update later tonight, then tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday, and then school starts. :smalleek:

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 04:00 PM
I suppose you've not seen someone take a route completely out of character (seemingly at least) to make a point. The fact that it's so far away from what you would expect them to be willing or capable of really causes the person to snap out of it, and really get the message. It's quite effective and I've seen it in person... it usually does not involve stripping though, but it was a good way to get Matt to panic.

I was just proposing a solution, i didn't find it at all bad...

Well, ok, i did, but for entirely different reasons.

Jjeinn-tae
2010-09-02, 04:16 PM
I was just proposing a solution, i didn't find it at all bad...

Well, ok, i did, but for entirely different reasons.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as an attack, if it did. I was just attempting to shed light on the method to the madness for those who had missed it, your comment made it seem that it isn't as common of a tactic as I thought it was. There are definitely other ways Lloyd could have handled it given the circumstances, though they might have increased the shock value for it.

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 04:29 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across as an attack, if it did. I was just attempting to shed light on the method to the madness for those who had missed it, your comment made it seem that it isn't as common of a tactic as I thought it was. There are definitely other ways Lloyd could have handled it given the circumstances, though they might have increased the shock value for it.

It did, but that's my fault, i tend to take things more personally than they actually are. That, and it's hard to decipher tone when the person types in text.

Sorry.

Dark Faun
2010-09-02, 04:31 PM
I think what rubbed me the wrong way was Lloyd assuming Matt shot the goblin because of her race.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-02, 04:33 PM
I think what rubbed me the wrong way was Lloyd assuming Matt shot the goblin because of her race.

Trust me when I say that Lloyd has a very good reason to assume that.

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 04:34 PM
I think what rubbed me the wrong way was Lloyd assuming Matt shot the goblin because of her race.

*looks at the page* Seems more like Lloyd thought it was because she was associated with the bandits.

*looks at the page again* ... darn it, not i can't look at it without seeing that part of the argument >.<

mucat
2010-09-02, 04:42 PM
I think what rubbed me the wrong way was Lloyd assuming Matt shot the goblin because of her race.

Even before Lloyd's statement, I got the feeling that this was part of the reason Matt shot at her. Not because I can remember Matt ever saying anything directly bigoted about goblins (or about anyone but elves, for that matter), but because I can't quite imagine him shooting a human in the back as she tried to surrender.

He's a jerk, but not that great of a jerk...unless he finds some other reason to depersonalize her. So whether he was conscious of it or not, I am inclined to think the goblin's race was part of the reason he tried to kill her.

Not trying to say you're wrong, or that Lloyd didn't jump to an unfair conclusion, but I didn't find his conclusion all that improbable.

Anyway, welcome back Discord! Always good to see you.

Dark Faun
2010-09-02, 04:47 PM
I can't quite imagine him shooting a human in the back as she tried to surrender.
Depends on whether she's hot or not. :smalltongue:

mucat
2010-09-02, 04:54 PM
Well, yeah. This is Matt we're talking about. :smallwink:

Lix Lorn
2010-09-02, 04:55 PM
Well, yeah. This is Matt we're talking about. :smallwink:
It's all fun and games until some ugly girl gets shot in the back.

Mystic Muse
2010-09-02, 04:58 PM
It's all fun and games until some ugly girl gets shot in the back.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

No, not that kind of beholder.:smalltongue:

Darklord Xavez
2010-09-02, 04:59 PM
It's all fun and games until some ugly girl gets shot in the back.

It's all fun and games until anyone gets shot in the back. Then it's better.:smallbiggrin: Besides, "ugly" is a relative term.
-Xavez

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 05:00 PM
It's all fun and games until some ugly girl gets shot in the back.

Yeah, and then it's hilarity and roleplaying.

mucat
2010-09-02, 05:03 PM
It's all fun and games until some ugly girl gets shot in the back.

Yeah. Lloyd could probably shame him out of that too, but it would get disturbing.


Lloyd: "You like picking on ugly people? Look at me, Matt. I'm pretty damned ugly. Are you going to shoot me?"

Matt: ...

Lloyd: "Not ugly enough yet? Here, I'll help." <disfigures self>

Matt: ...

Lloyd: "Still not enough?" <contracts leprosy> <also contracts mummy rot, since mucat suddenly feels he's being unfair to people with leprosy>

Matt: ...:smalleek:...

Lix Lorn
2010-09-02, 05:11 PM
We're all horrible people. XD

Darklord Xavez
2010-09-02, 05:13 PM
We're all horrible people. XD

Of course. And we wouldn't have it any other way. *Muahahahaha!*
-Xavez

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 05:15 PM
We're all horrible people. XD

Well, duh. Wonderful people are boring.

mucat
2010-09-02, 05:21 PM
No reason you can't be both.

Marnath
2010-09-02, 05:33 PM
I think what rubbed me the wrong way was Lloyd assuming Matt shot the goblin because of her race.

It's a fair thing to assume, since most people probably do shoot goblins more readily than other races.

Lix Lorn
2010-09-02, 05:37 PM
It's a fair thing to assume, since most people probably do shoot goblins more readily than other races.

Which is a bad thing.

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 05:42 PM
Which is a bad thing.

Not really. The more corpses you have, the more stupid people are removed from the gene pool. :smalltongue:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-02, 06:29 PM
Hopefully this will help you guys stay on topic.

#80: Knowledge: Religion
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Herpestidae
2010-09-02, 06:38 PM
Look like everyone (except Lloyd) Is a Little Bit Racist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM)

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-02, 06:40 PM
Uhhh the Plavaan did something to Astrid*;and that explains Janine's lack of reaction at ethan being so racist to the Plavvans

I like the idea of a Paladin who gives himself time to study other religions, it is...refreshing(?)

And I love how Loyd get the best snarks...."Shockinglly Astrid seems to dissagree as I don't seem to be fallen". pure unadultered win.





*
Insert Random theory about rape which wouldn't be so uncommon taking into account other mythologies

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 07:01 PM
I would like to point out that Lloyd not falling doesn't mean much in a world where paladins can be considered only slightly worse than Evil dragons. (Everyone seems at least intimidated by the Kago Paladins)

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-02, 07:05 PM
Paladin of Tyranny
Paladin of Tyranny Class Features

The paladin of tyranny has all the standard paladin class features, except as noted below.
Aura of Evil (Ex)

The power of a paladin of tyranny's aura of evil (see the detect evil spell) is equal to his paladin of tyranny level, just as with the aura of a cleric of an evil deity.
Detect Good (Sp)

At will, a paladin of tyranny can use detect good, as the spell.
Smite Good (Su)

Once per day, a paladin of tyranny may attempt to smite good with one normal melee attack. This ability is otherwise identical to the standard paladin's ability to smite evil, including increased daily uses as the paladin of tyranny gains class levels.
Deadly Touch (Su)

Beginning at 2nd level, a paladin of tyranny can cause wounds with a successful touch attack. Each day she can deal a total number of hit points of damage equal to her paladin level x her Charisma bonus. An opponent subjected to this attack can make a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 paladin level + paladin's Cha modifier) to halve the damage dealt.

Alternatively, a paladin of tyranny can use any or all of this power to cure damage to undead creatures, just as an inflict wounds spell does. This power otherwise functions identically to the paladin's lay on hands ability.
Aura of Despair (Su)

Beginning at 3rd level, a paladin of tyranny radiates a malign aura that causes enemies within 10 feet of him to take a -2 penalty on all saving throws. This ability otherwise functions identically to the paladin's aura of courage class feature.
Rebuke Undead (Su)

A paladin of tyranny rebukes undead rather than turning undead.
Cause Disease (Sp)

A paladin of tyranny can inflict disease with his touch (as the contagion spell) a number of times per week that a standard paladin of her level would normally be able to remove disease.
Spellcasting

Replace the paladin's spell list with the following spell list: 1st—bane, corrupt weapon, create water, curse water, detect poison, detect undead, divine favor, doom, endure elements, inflict light wounds, magic weapon, protection from chaos, protection from good, read magic, resistance, virtue; 2nd—bull's strength, cure light wounds, darkness, delay poison, eagle's splendor, hold person, inflict moderate wounds, owl's wisdom, resist energy, undetectable alignment; 3rd—bestow curse, cure moderate wounds, deeper darkness, discern lies, dispel magic, greater magic weapon, heal mount, prayer, inflict serious wounds, magic circle against chaos/good; 4th—break enchantment, cure serious wounds, dispel chaos, dispel good, dominate person, inflict critical wounds, unholy sword.
Code of conduct

A paladin of tyranny must be of lawful evil alignment and loses all class abilities if he ever willingly commits a good act. Additionally, a paladin of tyranny's code requires that he respect authority figures as long as they have the strength to rule over the weak, act with discipline (not engaging in random slaughter, keeping firm control over those beneath his station, and so forth), help only those who help him maintain or improve his status, and punish those who challenge authority (unless, of course, such challengers prove more worthy to hold that authority).
Associates

While he may adventure with characters of any evil or neutral alignment, a paladin of tyranny will never knowingly associate with good characters unless it serves his needs, nor will he continue an association with someone who consistently offends his moral code. A paladin of tyranny may accept henchmen and followers of any alignment, but may only accept cohorts who are lawful evil

Your move :smallwink:

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 07:30 PM
Your move :smallwink:

Ooooh, good one. BUT! He's thought to be a paladin of Kago even by people who know he's a nice guy.

:smalltongue:

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-02, 07:34 PM
Ooooh, good one. BUT! He's thought to be a paladin of Kago even by people who know he's a nice guy.

:smalltongue:

Evil doesn't necesarily means jerk see affably evil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvil) Warning clicking that link will cause you to loose severel hours worth of live

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 07:41 PM
Evil doesn't necesarily means jerk see affably evil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffablyEvil) Warning clicking that link will cause you to loose severel hours worth of live

'Normal' does not mean 'nice' either. And normal IS how it is said.

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-02, 07:44 PM
HA!!!! You need to make a knowledge(religion) check to recognize who is the paladin devoted to


Yeah... that is stretching it too much

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-02, 07:46 PM
Kago is a country. Paladins in Kago, known as "Paladins of Kago", are paladins of the goddess Astrid who are part of the Kagoan army. Because Astrid is a Neutral good goddess, and because these paladins are "Traditional" paladins, they have to be Lawful Good.

Dusk Eclipse
2010-09-02, 07:49 PM
Kago is a country. Paladins in Kago, known as "Paladins of Kago", are paladins of the goddess Astrid who are part of the Kagoan army. Because Astrid is a Neutral good goddess, and because these paladins are "Traditional" paladins, they have to be Lawful Good.

Awww coffee I was having so much fun:smalltongue:

Interesting though, if people are su intimidated by them (and the fact that loyd hates to be considered a Paladin of Kago) I think that they are more LAWFUL than good (I think Loyd is more Good than Lawful, as he is willing to use rules to his own convenience)

HalfTangible
2010-09-02, 08:13 PM
Awww coffee I was having so much fun:smalltongue:

Interesting though, if people are su intimidated by them (and the fact that loyd hates to be considered a Paladin of Kago) I think that they are more LAWFUL than good (I think Loyd is more Good than Lawful, as he is willing to use rules to his own convenience)

The penalty for a knowingly evil act is harsher than a knowingly chaotic act, after all. Kago paladins are probably jerkplayerish - they fight evil but have no real concern for the reason behind it.

mucat
2010-09-02, 10:27 PM
Kago is a country. Paladins in Kago, known as "Paladins of Kago", are paladins of the goddess Astrid who are part of the Kagoan army. Because Astrid is a Neutral good goddess, and because these paladins are "Traditional" paladins, they have to be Lawful Good.

Ah, I totally was not getting this. I thought Paladins of Kago were a separate order from paladins of Astrid.

Now I'm no longer confused by Ethan calling Lloyd a Paladin of Kago when he already knew Lloyd worshipped Astrid...

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-02, 10:32 PM
Ah, I totally was not getting this. I thought Paladins of Kago were a separate order from paladins of Astrid.

Now I'm no longer confused by Ethan calling Lloyd a Paladin of Kago when he already knew Lloyd worshipped Astrid...

Ah, good. So what do you think of these developments?

RdMarquis
2010-09-03, 12:11 AM
This update snuck up on me. I should check on this thread more often.

It'll be interesting to see what led to Lloyd being so open minded. I never thought I would see a Paladin who was interested in another deity, let alone all of the other deities. Also, Janine might actually leave him alone, now. :smallamused:

Asta Kask
2010-09-03, 02:27 AM
Kago is a country. Paladins in Kago, known as "Paladins of Kago", are paladins of the goddess Astrid who are part of the Kagoan army. Because Astrid is a Neutral good goddess, and because these paladins are "Traditional" paladins, they have to be Lawful Good.

But it's old-style Lawful Good. "That Orc baby will become Evil... *sklott*!" "You detect as Evil... *skewer*!"

The one where, as the Munchkin's Guide to Power-Gaming reminds us, Paladins as paragons of virtue and holiness end up being unfavorable compared to the Hitler Youth... :smalleek:

Draconi Redfir
2010-09-03, 03:45 AM
But it's old-style Lawful Good. "That Orc baby will become Evil... *sklott*!" "You detect as Evil... *skewer*!"

The one where, as the Munchkin's Guide to Power-Gaming reminds us, Paladins as paragons of virtue and holiness end up being unfavorable compared to the Hitler Youth... :smalleek:

what about "this dwarf child was raised by an orc and thus the seed of evil has been planted in him! *bolttotheface*?


i love LLoids last line XD

Lix Lorn
2010-09-03, 05:22 AM
what about "this dwarf child was raised by an orc and thus the seed of evil has been planted in him! *bolttotheface*?
(Shudder)
That THING is no paladin... it's not even a dwarf. It is an abomination against the alignment Lawful Good. [/rant]

...Go Lloyd. That's a CMoA right there.
Also, Deadpan Snarker, if he wasn't one already.

Dark Faun
2010-09-03, 05:47 AM
This mindset belongs to Warhammer 40,000. Where murdering innocents is actually considered Good-aligned because everything is out to kill you in this universe and showing mercy always equals an entire star system becoming overrun by bloodthirsty daemons.


Look like everyone (except Lloyd) Is a Little Bit Racist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM)
It doesn't strike me as racism. In this strip, Janine is shown to hate the Plavaan not because of their race (whatever it may be) but because of what they did to Astrid.

Lix Lorn
2010-09-03, 06:06 AM
And racism is hatred for no reason...
Although, do the Plavaans have their own pantheon, or just one god? Do they still follow this god that did something bad? These are the important questions...

...huh. So that makes Lloyd Commissar Gaunt. The one truly good leader... (Grin) I like it.

HalfTangible
2010-09-03, 07:04 AM
And racism is hatred for no reason...

Racism isn't 'hatred for no reason', racism is a judgement made based on a person's race, positive OR negative. The idea that a racist view can only be a negative one to start with ('this guy is stupid because he's an orc, etc is considered racist' while 'this guy is nice because he's a goblin' should be but is not) is absolutely appalling.

*huff huff huff*

[/rant]

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-03, 07:10 AM
This update snuck up on me. I should check on this thread more often.

It'll be interesting to see what led to Lloyd being so open minded. I never thought I would see a Paladin who was interested in another deity, let alone all of the other deities. Also, Janine might actually leave him alone, now. :smallamused:

Lloyd, like Janine, is devoutly religious. The difference is that Lloyd considers it worth his time to actually study other religions and religious texts himself rather than hear the secondhand opinions, so he can be more educated in that matter.


i love LLoids last line XD

So do I. :smallbiggrin:


(Shudder)
That THING is no paladin... it's not even a dwarf. It is an abomination against the alignment Lawful Good. [/rant]

Yeah, pretty much.


...Go Lloyd. That's a CMoA right there.
Also, Deadpan Snarker, if he wasn't one already.

THEN PUT IT ON THE TVTROPES PAGE! That thing needs a lot of updating as it is.

HalfTangible
2010-09-03, 08:00 AM
Maybe it's just me but I don't think it was awesome enough to qualify as a CMoA :smallconfused: Awesome? Yes. But not really a crowning moment =/

Dark Faun
2010-09-03, 09:19 AM
Lloyd considers it worth his time to actually study other religions and religious texts himself rather than hear the secondhand opinions
Somehow I feel Astrid's very happy that he does that.

CWater
2010-09-03, 10:04 AM
O_O I'm of my computer for one day, and this thread has sprouted 2 new pages of discussion.:smalleek:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-03, 11:59 AM
Somehow I feel Astrid's very happy that he does that.

Who knows? Paladins and clerics only fall if they make the god go :eek: or :mad: or :furious:


O_O I'm of my computer for one day, and this thread has sprouted 2 new pages of discussion.:smalleek:

And what do you think? :smalltongue:

HalfTangible
2010-09-03, 12:19 PM
Somehow I feel Astrid's very happy that he does that.

Or :smallsigh: or :smallconfused: or :smallannoyed:

Dark Faun
2010-09-03, 01:17 PM
My bad, I expected Astrid to care about the research of truth. I ask too much from deities sometimes. :smalltongue:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-03, 03:03 PM
My bad, I expected Astrid to care about the research of truth. I ask too much from deities sometimes. :smalltongue:

No, that would be Isarus and Don.

SpekterofDavid
2010-09-03, 03:27 PM
No seriousness, The comic is pretty good JUST AVOID SUES. In terms of literary criticism I would personally do a through discussion of innate evil VS Gained evil and the Possibilities of each outcome and the moral replies of each character.
Like the Goblins Seem exist only to show how good they are. Just show the flipside of the coin, goblins which are as infamous as the legends about them and how the stereotype causes the entire species to suffer. But Thats just me.

But Mostly Im A wuss. Unable to concentrate and all my work is garbage. And in my attemps to criticize others I mask the major insacurities of my life....WAAAAAAHH Im A FAILURE:smallfrown:!

Edit: Plus Everybody seems to be going " Orc Gods/ Goblins/ Dragons? Oh How preposterous! Oh What is that you say lad? They not evil? Nonsense, how come you haven fallen yet!" It Kinda gets old. Sorry if I offend you.

Lix Lorn
2010-09-03, 03:48 PM
Edit: Plus Everybody seems to be going " Orc Gods/ Goblins/ Dragons? Oh How preposterous! Oh What is that you say lad? They not evil? Nonsense, how come you haven fallen yet!" It Kinda gets old. Sorry if I offend you.
It gets old when people do it in real life too-but they haven't stopped yet. :smallamused:

I'd assume that's Coffee's point.

HalfTangible
2010-09-03, 04:17 PM
It gets old when people do it in real life too-but they haven't stopped yet. :smallamused:

I'd assume that's Coffee's point.

Man, I hope not. I'm pretty sure real world political and/or religious discussion is against the rules.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-03, 05:08 PM
Thanks, Spekter. I'm sorry though, some of what you're saying is a bit hard for me to understand.

#81: No, She Wasn't Listening Before
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/NoSheWasntListening.png

Dark Faun
2010-09-03, 05:11 PM
Can of worms opening power: ACTIVATED.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-03, 05:13 PM
Can of worms opening power: ACTIVATED.

Eh, none of the people in the group are Plavaan.

Dark Faun
2010-09-03, 05:15 PM
I'm referring to the "as if somehow they were equal to Astrid" comment.

No, Lloyd, unfortunately paladins don't have a Cure Headache power.

Mystic Muse
2010-09-03, 05:15 PM
Eh, none of the people in the group are Plavaan.

Yet. It could happen!

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-03, 05:25 PM
I'm referring to the "as if somehow they were equal to Astrid" comment.

No, Lloyd, unfortunately paladins don't have a Cure Headache power.

That's Janine's bigotry showing.


Yet. It could happen!

Sorry, but this is the team. And yes, I have a name for them other than Lloyd and Co. It will be revealed in a few strips.

Dark Faun
2010-09-03, 05:35 PM
That's Janine's bigotry showing.
Good to see some flaw other than "can't stop thinking about it - and acting about it too."

I'd like to see some flaw in Lloyd though. I know he's supposed to be the wisened repentant, but I find him sort of dull.

RdMarquis
2010-09-03, 05:36 PM
Ok, That story time comment was pretty cute. :smallsmile:

Did Janine and Radic used to live somewhere that was strongly secular (I'm a little confused about the No Missionaries comment)?

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-03, 05:37 PM
Good to see some flaw other than "can't stop thinking about it - and acting about it too."

I'd like to see some flaw in Lloyd though. I know he's supposed to be the wisened repentant, but I find him sort of dull.

Janine has a lot more flaws than just that.

Lloyd is extremely hard on himself--And just as secretive. He can't forgive himself, he can't ever cut himself any slack.


Ok, That story time comment was pretty cute. :smallsmile:

Did Janine and Radic used to live somewhere that was strongly secular (I'm a little confused about the No Missionaries comment)?

Radic's family didn't want any missionaries coming to their home.

Mystic Muse
2010-09-03, 05:37 PM
I'd like to see some flaw in Lloyd though. I know he's supposed to be the wisened repentant, but I find him sort of dull.

One will come eventually.

Dark Faun
2010-09-03, 05:43 PM
Lloyd is extremely hard on himself--And just as secretive. He can't forgive himself, he can't ever cut himself any slack.
Gee, who can this possibly remind me of?


Radic's family didn't want any missionaries coming to their home.
Yeah, the attack dogs don't digest them. :smalltongue:


One will come eventually.
His past is probably full of them.

HalfTangible
2010-09-03, 05:46 PM
Gee, who can this possibly this remind me of?

Roy for ever listening to his father?

((seriously though, trying to think of who that is... i know it's SOMEBODY i've heard of...))


Good to see some flaw other than "can't stop thinking about it - and acting about it too."We've known about the orc one for a while.

Marnath
2010-09-03, 10:23 PM
:smallsmile:Geez, I go to bed and then work for 14 hours and 3 whole pages and two comics get posted. O.o

I really like how Lloyd studies all the different religious texts, the world would be a better, more understanding place if more people did that ^.^

As to the more recent one, I'm confused as to whats happening but I trust the next strip will be full of yummy plot exposition that will either solve my questions or give me all kinds of new ones. :smallsmile:

*edit: Irrelevant tangent, that "paladin" you guys are talking about from Goblins is a monster. Seriously, when i read that I was all like :smalleek: and den I :smallfurious:.
I am a strong opponent of making paladins fall, but if that happened at my table, the paladin would fall so hard his player would feel the impact...

Lycan 01
2010-09-03, 11:07 PM
The plot thickens... :smallamused:

Jjeinn-tae
2010-09-04, 12:11 AM
:smallsmile:Geez, I go to bed and then work for 14 hours and 3 whole pages and two comics get posted. O.o

I really like how Lloyd studies all the different religious texts, the world would be a better, more understanding place if more people did that ^.^

As to the more recent one, I'm confused as to whats happening but I trust the next strip will be full of yummy plot exposition that will either solve my questions or give me all kinds of new ones. :smallsmile:

*edit: Irrelevant tangent, that "paladin" you guys are talking about from Goblins is a monster. Seriously, when i read that I was all like :smalleek: and den I :smallfurious:.
I am a strong opponent of making paladins fall, but if that happened at my table, the paladin would fall so hard his player would feel the impact...

Not to keep us off topic, but in Goblins, that dwarf has never actually used a Paladin ability...

Though on this comic, I like how Lloyd is willing to look at the other religions. With that, and his somewhat lenient code are about what I envision paladins to be. He needs to at least understand the other religions if he isn't looking for insight he wouldn't find among Astrid's followers.

SpekterofDavid
2010-09-04, 03:27 AM
Was it rely that hard to understand what I said? Man, my English must be poor.
Oh and from what I have read you are going to collage? If so, sorry that i criticized you, I have no right to do so at a elder comrade.

CWater
2010-09-04, 04:20 AM
Don't we all love story time!:smallbiggrin:

But seriously, I'm interested of what's coming next. The Plavaan races clearly have a negative reputation, but I've been wondering for a while why this is. Maybe the next strip(s) will give some answers.:smallsmile:

I personally like Lloyd as a character; the fact that he studies other religions fits his current personality. It is obvious there's something in his past that he regrets, probably caused by prejudice, and is desperate not to make the same mistake again. Or so it seems to me.:smalltongue:

Asta Kask
2010-09-04, 06:32 AM
Gee, who can this possibly remind me of?

I wonder if Lloyd's parents screamed a lot when he was applying to Fighter college? :smalltongue:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 07:17 AM
Was it rely that hard to understand what I said? Man, my English must be poor.
Oh and from what I have read you are going to collage? If so, sorry that i criticized you, I have no right to do so at a elder comrade.

No, I understood most of it. And seriously, just because I'm older doesn't mean you shouldn't criticize me!


Not to keep us off topic, but in Goblins, that dwarf has never actually used a Paladin ability...

Though on this comic, I like how Lloyd is willing to look at the other religions. With that, and his somewhat lenient code are about what I envision paladins to be. He needs to at least understand the other religions if he isn't looking for insight he wouldn't find among Astrid's followers.


Don't we all love story time!:smallbiggrin:

But seriously, I'm interested of what's coming next. The Plavaan races clearly have a negative reputation, but I've been wondering for a while why this is. Maybe the next strip(s) will give some answers.:smallsmile:

I personally like Lloyd as a character; the fact that he studies other religions fits his current personality. It is obvious there's something in his past that he regrets, probably caused by prejudice, and is desperate not to make the same mistake again. Or so it seems to me.:smalltongue:

Lloyd's what paladins should be. He didn't get there easily.

Oh, and Lloyd started this practice of reading other religious texts a couple of years ago.


I wonder if Lloyd's parents screamed a lot when he was applying to Fighter college? :smalltongue:

No. :smalltongue:

Asta Kask
2010-09-04, 07:39 AM
It would be interesting to see how an ADHD paladin would differ from the regular kind... :smallsmile:

HalfTangible
2010-09-04, 07:40 AM
It would be interesting to see how an ADHD paladin would differ from the regular kind... :smallsmile:

Prepare to be vanqui evildOHSHINY!

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 07:45 AM
It would be interesting to see how an ADHD paladin would differ from the regular kind... :smallsmile:

That would be funny. However, we do have a wizard with ADHD. That enough for you?


Prepare to be vanqui evildOHSHINY!

Sometimes it's that, most of the time it's that I'm not really paying attention and my mind is wandering on some really convoluted train of thought and then I say what I'm thinking. Yes, I have ADHD. :smalltongue:

HalfTangible
2010-09-04, 07:46 AM
Sometimes it's that, most of the time it's that I'm not really paying attention and my mind is wandering on some really convoluted train of thought and then I say what I'm thinking. Yes, I have ADHD. :smalltongue:

I was diagnosed with it once. Turns out i actually had aspberger's syndrome. Did you have to take Straterra or however it's spelled?

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 07:47 AM
I was diagnosed with it once. Turns out i actually had aspberger's syndrome. Did you have to take Straterra or however it's spelled?

No, I take adderal. But this is off topic. :smalltongue:

HalfTangible
2010-09-04, 08:04 AM
No, I take adderal. But this is off topic. :smalltongue:

Yes. :smalltongue:

A wizard with ADHD is worse than a Paladin with ADHD. For those of you who have read On the Origin of PC's, you know what can happen when a wizard doesn't pay attention to what he's doing.

Though yes, a paly with ADHD would be hilarious

Asta Kask
2010-09-04, 08:07 AM
The problem is that ADHD may be associated with low Wisdom, which is important for paladins. Still, overcoming your weaknesses is beloved by the Gods.

Dark Faun
2010-09-04, 08:23 AM
Lloyd's what paladins should be. He didn't get there easily.
Miko is what paladins should be. Badass, merciless, unbelievably sexy and so insane she scares the Joker away.

...I mean, I'm looking forward to the part where Lloyd finally has enough with Janine, pretends he accepts her offer, tells her to wait for him in her room with the lights off and throws a gagged Matt in said room.

I'd do that at least.

Lix Lorn
2010-09-04, 08:34 AM
Miko is what paladins should be. Badass, merciless, unbelievably sexy and so insane she scares the Joker away.

...I mean, I'm looking forward to the part where Lloyd finally has enough with Janine, pretends he accepts her offer, tells her to wait for him in her room with the lights off and throws a gagged Matt in said room.

I'd do that at least.
Miko without the insanity, sure. Coming to conclusions several lightyears away from reality doesn't help with law or good... also, listening to reason would help...

If I were in Lloyd's place, I'd have told her to go away by now. But with more swearing. I'd probably end up kicking her off the team if she didn't drop it.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 08:36 AM
Radic and Janine are a package deal, and they're the most competent fighters he has. Plus Radic has become his second-in-command.

Dark Faun
2010-09-04, 08:40 AM
Murphy's Law indeed. :smalltongue:

Asta Kask
2010-09-04, 08:41 AM
Miko is what paladins should be. Badass, merciless, unbelievably sexy and so insane she scares the Joker away.

...I mean, I'm looking forward to the part where Lloyd finally has enough with Janine, pretends he accepts her offer, tells her to wait for him in her room with the lights off and throws a gagged Matt in said room.

I'd do that at least.

I don't think you need to gag Matt. Although, for fun, you can tell him it's Radic and tell both of them they prefer it to be a silent-ish act...

Dark Faun
2010-09-04, 08:41 AM
Smells like fanart.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 08:43 AM
Just be appropriate.

Asta Kask
2010-09-04, 09:29 AM
Just be appropriate.

Don't you trust us?

*innocent face*

Keveak
2010-09-04, 10:41 AM
Don't you trust us?

*innocent face*

I don't and I'm one of you :smallamused::smalltongue:

Marnath
2010-09-04, 12:42 PM
Lol, I don't either. :smallwink:
I know how all you former crack pairers are. :smalltongue:
Don't get Coffee's comic closed, 'kay?

Asta Kask
2010-09-04, 01:54 PM
I try not to make friends cry. At least not on purpose.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 02:22 PM
It took me almost 3 hours, but I just made every single deity in Nordica on Inkscape. Comic tomorrow or Monday.

Asta Kask
2010-09-04, 02:26 PM
It took me almost 3 hours, but I just made every single deity in Nordica on Inkscape. Comic tomorrow or Monday.

Exactly how much of a workaholic are you?

Also, you are not supposed to work on the Sabbath! Bad Coffee! :smallwink:

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 02:27 PM
Exactly how much of a workaholic are you?

Ever heard of hyperfocus?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going swimming.

Keveak
2010-09-04, 02:50 PM
Exactly how much of a workaholic are you?

Also, you are not supposed to work on the Sabbath! Bad Coffee! :smallwink:

Coffee steals the motivation from the rest of us, I'm sure of it!

That or she's a devout geek, makes all of us a little obsessed with our projects (Though Coffee is astounding at it)

Sabbath? Doesn't that mean 'counsel' or something?

That's a holiday?

Allan Surgite
2010-09-04, 02:53 PM
Sabbath is the Jewish day of rest, Keveak.

Sorry, I'll get to typing up commentary on the comics I've not commented on shortly.

RdMarquis
2010-09-04, 02:54 PM
I think it's a rule of Judaism where you're not supposed to work on Saturday or Sunday (it supposedly varies based on how you worship) because it reflects that God rested on the day after He created everything.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 03:26 PM
1. Saturday. 2. Get off the religious topics! 2. Allan! I was wondering where you were!

SpekterofDavid
2010-09-04, 03:41 PM
Ok then Off to criticize again! God I feel Like I should kill myself right now, I have no right to insert my own crappy opinions into your work

If a character has a Dark back story that does not change his current sueness. Just honestly I just kinda find loyd (The paladin right?) kinda a perfect boy. Just I hope you reveal some messed up stuff about him, like for example that he is living in denial, he doesn't accept what he reads and is lying through his teeth. All he wants is to slaughter all the Goblins for XP but his messed up psyche prevents him from doing so. If you havent guessed yet I love psychopaths in denial as characters, Vash, Zim, and Ran from Detective Connan (Oh come on she is).

Although I like the lighthearted tone of the comic and there seems to be better stuff abrewin just cut it off with the people gasping at prospects. And by god If I had the focus you had I would soo be the next wonderchild in terms of the arts. I just can never focus and that is what kills me.

RdMarquis
2010-09-04, 04:14 PM
Personally, doing a 180 on personality and making Lloyd secretly evil (or maybe like Dexter Morgan) would be kind of hard to pull off. Wouldn't he have fallen at some point?

As long as Lloyd isn't carrying the entire party on his back while people all but worship him, I think he can avoid being a Gary Stu.

Lix Lorn
2010-09-04, 04:15 PM
You have every right to criticise; but I believe you're wrong.

Lloyd is not a sue. Sues are, by definition, perfect. Someone who is perfect has no bad backstory. What's more, Lloyd has actual backstory and isn't loved automatically by everyone.

Plus, every comedy needs a straight guy.

CoffeeIncluded
2010-09-04, 04:16 PM
Trust me on this one. Lloyd is far from perfect. For one thing, we already know that he has some serious skeletons in his closet.

Keveak
2010-09-04, 04:17 PM
Sabbath is the Jewish day of rest, Keveak.

Sorry, I'll get to typing up commentary on the comics I've not commented on shortly.

Ah, I didn't know that, I have yet to be taught about any religion but Buddhism. My school was weird :smalltongue:


1. Saturday. 2. Get off the religious topics! 2. Allan! I was wondering where you were!

1. Huzzah! 2. OK-Dokay :smallbiggrin:

Dark Faun
2010-09-04, 04:22 PM
Personally, doing a 180 and making Lloyd secretly evil (or maybe like Dexter Morgan) would be kind of hard to pull off. Wouldn't he have fallen at some point?
Technically, someone who's evil but who continually challenges his nature to do the right thing wouldn't fall. If anything, he has more merit than the guy who was born with perfect morals.