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Forevernade
2010-09-06, 07:37 PM
Hi everyone,

I am a PT and Fitness Instructor, and Biomedical Engineer. I am fairly new to the Friendly Banter section, but now I am reading through all these threads I am kind of hooked! Everyone is so friendly and supportive, and the discussions are diverse, but are also contextualised by the role-playing environment. :smallsmile:

After reading through Deth Muncher's Trip to a Better Body, I was inspired to write down my philosophies and logics behind how I train people in the gym. I created a new thread here so that I would not be hijacking his log.

If anyone has any questions that they would like to ask in regards to fitness or wellbeing then go right ahead, that is what this thread is for!

Insulin
While weight loss is essentially based on the difference between calories burned and calories taken in, Insulin plays an important role in the macromanagement of calories.
Insulin is what the body uses to channel nutrients (read: glucose) from the blood to the tissues in your body. When the body produces insulin and a muscle has a large supply of blood, then the veins will channel most nutrients into muscle, if there is not a large supply of blood (not exercising) then it will mostly channel nutrients into everything else (read: fat cells). It is therefore important to control when your body makes insulin so that it spikes after you have exercised.
What makes the body produce insulin? Carbohydrates and Lactose (read: milk)
So you want to spike your insulin pre and post workout, so that you avoid putting glucose into fat cells, and you revitalize muscle energy stores.

The Green Faces diet. is an idea, not a strict regime. The idea is to help reduce cravings for carbohydrates by letting you eat as much volume of food as you want without ringing your carb-bell. Then when you no longer crave carbs like sweets, it slowly reintroduces carbs back into your diet. Now you might notice that fruits aren't on the list. Why is that? Fruits have fructose, and fructose is one of the strongest 'cravings' creators the human body can digest. You might feel good about eating fruit for it's vitamins, but until you can control your cravings, they are doing you no favours.
Drink 2L of water a day! Yes 2L! On top of everything else. It will keep you fuller and will help balance out your sodium/potassium concentration levels.

1) If it's a green vegetable, you can eat it.

2) If it had a face, or would've grown up to have a face, you can eat it.

3) If it's not green and didn't have a face, don't eat it

e.g. Week 1 and 2

Column A - The Faces
Bacon
Chicken breast/leg/thigh
Eggs
Ground beef
Lamb
Pork chop/loin
Salmon
Scallop
Shrimp
Steak (any cut)
Tuna
Turkey

Column B - The Greens
Arugala
Asparagus
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Celery
Cucumber
Green beans
Green peas
Green peppers
Kale
Lettuce (any variety)
Okra
Snap peas
Spinach
Zucchini
Just to name a few...

Column V (this list is soy-free :smallsmile:)
Face Replacements for Vegetarians:
Dry edamame nuts
Seitan
Almonds, Walnuts, Flax Meal
Cheese
Eggs (or egg-white powder)
Hemp Protein
Rice Protein
Pea Protein
Pumpkin Seed Flour Protein
Casein

Note: I do not condone the eating of soy products. Soy converts indirectly to estrogens, and estrogens do several bad things: they induce weight gain (for better survival of the baby whilst pregnant), they change women's menstral cycles, and they induce womanly features (physiologically) in men.
As you can see Column V is not very long, because I cannot think of many vegetarian foods which are high in protein, do not spike insulin, and do not have high levels of soy.

If you're still trying to figure out the "One from Column A, one from Column B" method of menu building, here's what a typical day of good eats might look like:
Breakfast:*Big-ass omelet (whole eggs, green pepper, capsicum)
Mid-morning snack:*Canned tuna, celery
Lunch:*Big-ass salad (spinach, Romaine lettuce, Boston lettuce, cucumber, green peas), grilled chicken
Pre and Peri-Workout: Protein Shake
Dinner:*Plenty of steak, grilled zucchini/asparagus/brocoli/beans/etc
Before bed snack:*A bowl of home made beef Bolognese without the pasta

Week 3+

Reintroduction

After 2 weeks of Green Faces, you should begin to introduce slow digesting carbs and high fibre/carb foods into your diet. Carbs which dawdle around in your system for a while, rather than being burned up or pooped out in a hurry.

Oats e.g. porridge or natural muesli
Multi-grain bread (don't go overboard with this one)
Barley e.g. barley and beef soup
Lentils e.g lentils and indian curry
Basmati or Doongara rice
Flax seeds
Beans

Source: http://www.t-nation.com/testosterone-magazine-635#green-faces-diet and http://www.precisionnutrition.com/

Making Veges Tasty add a teaspoon of your favourite pesto, and a dash of olive oil, then lightly fry them. You will find eating vegetables much easier now, and the calories did not increase much at all!

Fats are often passed off as bad for you, because they are similar to fat cells, right? Wrong. There are good fats and bad fats. They can be divided into Animal Fats and Plant Fats.
Good = Saturated Plant, Mono Plant, Polyun Plant, Mono Animal, Polyun Animal, Cholestrol (good type)
Bad = Transfats, Saturated Animal, Unknown Fats, Cholestrol (bad type)

For example, a pork rind is an animal saturated fat, and is bad for you, but coconut oil is a plan saturated fat, and is good for you!
Now when is fat bad for you? When your insulin is high! Try to divide your meals into Protein+Fat meals, and Protein+Carb meals. Otherwise you will have fat molecules flushing into your greedy little fat cells.

Milk IS a good post or pre workout drink, chocolate or otherwise. It spikes insulin because it contains lactose.

Protein Good sources of cheap protein are not limited to:
Whey
Eggs
Ground beef
Kangaroo (or local hunted meat)
So you dont have to do the research, they are in order of expensiveness.
It is important to eat a fast digesting protein like whey mid-way though and after workouts. This is because these are the times your body's hormonal profiles are best suited to absorb protein. Insulin also helps channel protein into the muscles, so you want to do this when you have the most blood pumping into your muscle (after a workout!).
Eat slow digesting protein like meat throughout the day, with a natural source of fibre to help slow digestion and increase absorption.

For Vegetarians, good sources of protein are:
Egg-white powder
Hemp Protein
Rice Protein
Pea Protein
Pumpkin Seed Flour Protein
Casein


THE BIG CONCEPT: Carb Loading
So we all agree that carbs are bad for you if you want to loose weight. But they ARE an essential part energy source. Without them you would not be able to move around actively. So what do we do? Instead of spacing carbs out throughout the day, ensuring insulin is high all the time do this: load your muscles with glucose by eating carbs at the end of every work out, or at breakfast. A low GI carb breakfast will kickstart your metabolism and help you burn calories throughout the day. Eating small amounts of 'treat' foods like a sweet, a liter of chocolate milk, a bowl of pasta/rice/starchy vegetable within 30 minutes of a hard workout will mean the insulin will spike at the right time.

7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/7habits.htm

Why lift heavy weights no matter your goals?

Whether you want to loose fat, gain muscle, or become more fit, you should always lift heavy weights... why?
'"When a biological system experiences a challenge, it modifies itself in order to be able to more easily meet similar challenges in the future."
Now, in my opinion, if you're interested in growing muscle, that statement contains everything you'll ever need to know. Muscle is in fact a biological system, and it grows (or atrophies) in direct proportion to the amount of work it is forced to do. Why should you be interested in muscle growth? Because muscle is one of the greatest fat burning things you can give your body. A body is constantly spending energy to "upkeep" this muscle.
Whatever training system allows you to do the most work per unit of time is what causes muscle to grow in an optimal manner. That is a fact.
"What is work?" And the answer is reflected in the following equation:
Work = Mass * Distance
It makes sense then, that you lift heavy mass, for a long distance, to do lots of work. This is why you should always do the 'full range' when performing any exercise.

Now you might be wondering "why cant I do less weight if I can do it for a longer amount of time, and thus do more work?"

Not all work is the right type of work for building muscle. Your body isn't just made of 'muscle', it is made of 2 different types of muscle: fast-twitch and slow-twitch. Fast muscle is what makes up the largest volume of your make up, up to 80% of your muscular volume! The fibers are twice as big, and thus it burns the most energy by 'just being there'. Slow muscle is what is used when you do cardio or light weight training.
When you force your muscle to move, it will use as little number of fibers as it can to lift the weight. This means when you lift a light weight, only your slow muscles are activated. When you lift heavy weights, both slow AND fast muscles activate, because it needs both of them to lift the weight. That's twice as much muscle tearing (and thus growth) as when you lifted light weights! Just remember no matter how much you use light weights (even if you did 100 reps) you will never activate the fastest twitching muscles, so it is a waste of time.

Training for Size/Fatloss
What causes muscle tearing? The amount of force a muscle produces does proportional damage to the fibers. That is a fact
Force = Mass * Acceleration
Accelerate the weight as fast as you can! A heavy mass, moving fast, requires a large force, but there comes a point where the heavy mass slows down the acceleration so much that the force reduces. So doing slow single reps is not as good as you thought. You should lift weights as heavy as you can without any losing significant amounts of acceleration.

Have I convinced you to lift heavy weights yet? Nope?

According to scientific tests, lifting heavy weights burns more calories AFTER the exercise. Why is this? Because the metabolic response the body has to exercise is directly proportional to the Density of the training.
Work = (F/A) * distance
Density = Work/time
For every rep you do, you are increasing the distance the weight has traveled, so you need to do as many reps as you can within a certain time frame. e.g.6 reps takes 15 seconds
100lb*80%*6reps = 120lb.reps/min
if you can do 110lb*80%*6reps then you have increased your training density by 12lb/min!

Ways to increase your training density:
Add more weight
Do each rep more explosively
Do more reps in the same amount of time
Do the same amount in less time (less rest)
Remember Progression is the most important thing in the gym. If you aren't constantly progressing your training density, then your muscles will not grow!

Sherrington’s Law states that when a muscle contracts, it’s antagonist must relax—otherwise, no movement would occur. Therefore, if the trainee performs a set of leg extensions in between two sets of leg curls, each muscle group recovers faster as a result of the work performed by its antagonist.
Often you will see people doing two separate antagonistic exercises one straight after the other. Why do they do this? It lets them recover the first muscle while they work the second muscle, with the benefit of increasing density:
Lets say you are benching and rowing 100lb for 10 reps each.
(100lb*6)*1min = 600lb/min <- if you did them as separate exercises
(100lb*6 + 100lb*6) = 1200lb/min <- if you did them antagonistically

Antagonistic Pairings:
Biceps/Triceps (pull/push arms)
Quadriceps/Hamstrings (front/back legs)
Pectorals/Latissimus Dorsi (chest/back)
Legs/Shoulders etc

Sources:
1.escalating_density_training
2.anaconda_protocol#3-8211-perfect-rep
3.compound_edt


Strength Training

Ok, so some of you don't want to be 'uuuuge like an orc? You would rather be one of those small wirey kids who can lift a truck, to everyone's surprise? That is always fun!

Before I start I would like everyone to know if you get strong you will not necessarily get big, but it will become easier to become big later down the track.

First, power training is less about training specific muscles, and is more concerned with using the whole body to perform a movement. Rather than trying to get bigger, you will want to teach your body to use all your joints together in harmony. You will have 'big' exercises that cater for a plane of movement, and muscle isolation exercises (accessory exercises) that address the 'weak link' for that plane of movement. The big exercises should be performed using 3-5reps, and the isolation exercises using 5-12reps.

Power training emphasizes different things to density training. Instead of training density, you want to improve power frequency. Power frequency is how often you lift powerfully over a long period of time.
Where as improving density means doing more work one training session, improving frequency means doing more work in one cycle. A cycle can be a week, a fortnight, a month, a year! Doesn't really matter. I find that it is easiest to keep track of strength progression every month.

The most popular 'big' movements are
Vertical Legs:
Squat
Deadlift
Horizontal Upper Body:
Bench Press
Row
Verticle Upper Body:
Power Clean
Pull Up.

Ways you can progress training frequency:
increase the number of sets of an exercise in one session
increase the number of sessions you do in one cycle
increase the weight of an exercise

Variation is another key to progressing in the gym. Adaptation will not occur if your body is used to performing the same things in the gym every week for a year. A last piece of advice is to either follow a periodized program, or keep changing programs every 6-8 weeks, but not less.

Further reading for beginners in density training:
Escalating Density Training by Charles Staley

Further reading for beginners in strength training:
Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki

List of credible training programs to progress toward:

Density:
Bill Star's 5x5
I, Bodybuilder by Christian Thibaedeau
German Volume rewritten by Charles Poliquin

Strength:
Sheiko by Boris Sheiko, translations found on EliteFTS
5/3/1 by Jim Wendler
Westside for Skinny Bastards 3 by Joe DeFranco

Further Reading on program design
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/program_design_101

Ramping
"Every rep and set you do has two specific effects on performance:
•Activation/potentiation: which increases performance potential
• [Work]/Fatigue: which decreases performance potential"
Whenever you read the prescribed number of sets and reps, those sets are the prescribed Fatigue sets. You will lift most optimally if you perform Activation sets beforehand.
"Start with a weight that is roughly 50-60% of your 1RM [Rep Max].
•Perform many sets of the prescribed rep amount, each one being progressively heavier, until you hit the maximum weight you will use.
•You don't have to only use sets of 3 reps, it can be done with any number of reps, although it works best when the rep number is 8 or less.

The last [activation] set is really not a warm-up at all; it's a gateway set that ushers in the first work set. It should feel, in terms of load and execution, very much like another work-set. "

Example: 1RM is 450, so you:
135 x several reps, just to warm-up the muscles and lubricate the joints.
225 x 3, which is called a "feeler set" and essentially burns no energy (45% of max).
Then start the ramp, going up roughly 20-30lbs per set.
300lbs x 3
325lbs x 3
350lbs x 3
375lbs x 3
400lbs x 3
425lbs x 3
450lbs x 3
Using that approach, the 450 will be much easier; in fact, our lifter might even be able to do one more heavier set after that.

Source: http://www.t-nation.com/testosterone-magazine-639

Random Advice
Random Advice:

Time of day: the experts you train most optimally at least 2 hours after you wake up.

Napping: even if your aim is weight loss, napping is good for you as it reduced drowsiness, so you are more likely to be active in your waking hours, also it reduces cortisol, which means you will be less stressed and will recover muscle much more quickly, and for some people it also suppresses appetite.

Diet Soda: even though there are zero calories, my own experience shows that the artificial sweeteners slow down metabolism, which is counterproductive to fat-loss. There is no conclusive research to support this.

Supplements: the supplement business is crazy with opinions, facts, and exaggeration. A supplement will almost always do what it says it is supposed to do, but with a diminished effect compared to what it is advertised to do, and usually only under certain conditions. Supplement companies do not need to publish the conditions under when it works and when it doesn't.
The most basic supplements that have been around for years, tested and retested for their effects, are proven to work 99.9% of the time:
Whey is just a refined macronutrient: protein with a bit of lactose and some other rubbish. It is good because it increases your protein intake, no fancy chemicals. Cheap flavourless or natural flavoured whey is usually found to be the cheapest source of protein by a large margin (compared to buying eggs, meat or any real food).
Fish Oil is a source of omega 3, which is not found in many foods. Omega 3 helps lubricate your joints, upkeep your vital organs, and is used throughout your entire body. It is a wonder why we don't eat more omega 3 foods... because they are expensive? That's OK though, fish oil tabs are not! Inflammation from training is vital for muscle growth, (fishoil) omega 3's are anti-inflammatory, so take them with your breakfast and another time block furthest away from your workout.
Creatine is found naturally in your muscles, so creatine monohydrate is one of the most popular non-caloric 'energy' supplements. It does not give you a buzz, but instead restores the energy in your muscles. The good news is creatine monohydrate is fairly cheap.

Axillary Supplements:
Gymnema Sylvestre is a plant dubbed "sugar destroyer". It can actually eliminate the ability to taste sugar in your mouth, thereby reducing your cravings for sugar.
Gymnema Sylvestre has shown promising results in safely controlling blood sugar levels in diabetics, while helping with weight loss, hypoglycemia, high cholesterol, anemia and digestion problems.

Cardio and it's place in fat loss

Cardio does not replace lifting heavy weights, but it certainly does compliment it. If you are performing cardio as well as lifting, assume your progress lifting weights will be decelerated.

ACSM recommends that people with a low capacity to perform excercise do shorter exercise sessions of 3-5 minutes several times throughout the day.
As fitness improves, one to two sessions are appropriate before moving to longer 20-30min sessions 3-6 days a week. Like Power training, frequency is oft the most effective when it comes to fat loss. I urge most people to accumulate at least 30 minutes of 'active movement' throughout their day on top of their cardio.

Average inactive people take 2000-4000 steps a day, moderately active people take 5000-7000 steps per day, and active people take approximately 10,000 steps a day! Using a pedometer can increase your awareness of how many steps you take every day. You can find pedometers quite cheaply, and even sometimes for free in cereal packs.

Remember if you are not warm/hot from walking, you aren't walking fast enough! It isn't the sweat that makes you lose weight, but sweat is a good indication for how hard you are working.

Sometimes I come across people who have knee problems, or get shin splints. I recommend to these people swimming, using the cross-trainer, or using a bike instead.

Selecting the right Exercises
"The human body has a limited capacity to adapt to physical stress. As a result, it's important to know which exercises can give you the most 'bang for your buck'. Including too many isolation exercises in hope of covering all bases is a problem. Sure, on paper it makes sense to include exercises for every single muscular structure in the body; however, in real life it just doesn't work. This leads to a lowered capacity to adapt to the training regimen, and as a result, limited progress.
"It's a much better methodology to go for a minimalist approach when training." -CT
List of multi-joint bar-bell exercises:

Deadlift
Squat
Clean
Jerk
Bench Press
Military Press
Chin/Pull up
Row
Turkish Getup

You can replace any of these barbell exercises with dumbells, with the exception of the deadlift.

Ask a Human Movement specialist or a Personal Trainer with a background in either Olympic Lifting, Powerlifting, Crossfit, or any major sport and they should be able to help guide you through these movements.

Some things to look out for... If the trainer performs a:
1/4 squat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLiR4eo2WAc&feature=related)
Power Rack Curls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLx0lyY3Tcs&feature=related)
Kipping chinups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAZaHzd6qAY&feature=related)
Diesel Weasel Deadlift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFnp5DyrtKY&feature=related)

THEY'RE DOIN IT WRONG!

If you need help, just ask someone who looks like they know! Most people are more friendly than you would expect.


Recovery

If there is a single investment you should make in your recovery, other than maybe buying whey, I recommend buying a foam roller (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=foam+roller), and a tennis ball. With those two items you can give yourself a massage for almost every muscle in the body.

1. Foam rolling, as done according to the NASM protocols, call for a "scanning" with the foam roller, finding the most extremely tight (read: painful, haha) locus, and pushing as freaking hard on it as possible, as much as pain tolerance will allow, for 30 seconds. An alternate to this is holding the same spot for 90 seconds far below your pain threshold.*

What this does is relaxes the muscle fibers to which that hyper-irritable locus belongs. I don't want to write it all out, but this is accomplished via a reflex mechanism through the Golgi-tendon organs (and theoretically muscle spindles). This is neurological relaxation, not simply due to the mechanics of tenderizing your muscles (although that plays a part) This also means that it will NOT relax the entire muscle, simply the fibers innervated by the same motor unit. For instance, if you foam roll your later calve, it will relax most of the hyper-active fibers, and less so the rest of your calve, leaving you to use them as normal.*

2. As a lot of the best manual therapist (DCs, PTs, some ATCs) will tell you, it is useless doing soft-tissue work (like foam rolling) without following it by active-isolated stretching. If you don't do this, you are teaching your body to set the length and tension of the muscle you just treated to the same "settings" as before. SO, foam roll it, then stretch it.*

3. Then, you need to activate muscles which are underactive synergists. For instance, it is no use foam rolling your ITB/TFL if you don't tell the glute complex to fire, allowing it to relax, neurologically. Because these two muscle groups need to work together to control lateral stability of the hip, dominance of some muscle groups will take over others, such as the glutes turning off and the ITB/TFL turning on.*

4. Next, you need to integrate it into a movement pattern you use, like a squat. This one should be obvious, but whatever muscles you worked on need to be used in the way you want them to in order to be capable of doing it right. They don't have to be prime movers, just be active as stabilizers.*

5. Do all of this BEFORE your workout, so that your motor patterns are correct and your system is integrating the movements correctly before you start.*

RECAP:*

1. Foam roll obviously tight muscles and spots*
2. Stretch the same muscles, and others that need it*
3. Isolate and activate the under-active synergists*
4. integrate it all into a movement that is low resistance and proper in movement pattern*
5. DO it all as a WARMUP, once you get it down quick, you will be done in 15 minutes and breaking a sweat, ready to go heavy*

Got it? Good.

You can also use a tennis ball in the same way. Tape them together to make a double-ball and lie on top of it, to massage your spine. Stand on it and roll it around to massage the bottom of your foot if you have calf or foot pain. etc etc.

Syka
2010-09-06, 08:05 PM
I do believe I will try this Green Faces diet thingamabobber. Carbs are definitely my biggest enemy.

One problem though: I can't really eat breakfast. As in, if I wake up before 8am or so, eating within 30-60 minutes of waking makes me feel very ill. 4-5 days a week I wake up at 7ish and can bring a snack, but I'm pretty much going on empty 'til lunch.

I know this isn't really that good of a thing but it's either eat and get nauseous or just wait it out, and I definitely prefer the wait it out. Any tips on a good, portable breakfast (ie, grab and go, not requiring prep)?

Felixaar
2010-09-06, 08:06 PM
There are limits but they are extremely large, if you want to break up your info go with bolded headings or put thing in spoiler tags.

Also; some good advice here; but be careful of being too total. In my experience everyone's body works a little differently to everyone elses, and there is no one way to lose weight that works for all.

Well, except liposuction.

*APPLAUSE*

WarKitty
2010-09-06, 08:09 PM
Got a veggie version? Just for the things to eat version, if anything I could stand another 10 pounds on my frame. Hard to get enough energy to stay around long enough for workouts.

Edit: From what I've seen around here spoiler tags are what's usually used.

Thanatos 51-50
2010-09-06, 08:16 PM
We know geeks can look good! The YOU thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166578) is full of us good-looking geeks. :smallbiggrin:

Slightly-more on-topic, I'll peruse in greater detail soon enough, but this looks like a helpful little guide.
(Also, I don't know if he's around anymore, but Crow seemed to have the same kick, excepting he was more excercise-focused than diet-focused. Maybe you two could talk shop? I 'unno.)

Forevernade
2010-09-06, 08:32 PM
I do believe I will try this Green Faces diet thingamabobber. Carbs are definitely my biggest enemy.

One problem though: I can't really eat breakfast. As in, if I wake up before 8am or so, eating within 30-60 minutes of waking makes me feel very ill. 4-5 days a week I wake up at 7ish and can bring a snack, but I'm pretty much going on empty 'til lunch.

I know this isn't really that good of a thing but it's either eat and get nauseous or just wait it out, and I definitely prefer the wait it out. Any tips on a good, portable breakfast (ie, grab and go, not requiring prep)?

Often Morning sickness can be attributed to waking up at the wrong time, or not being full enough at the end of the day. If you wake up hungry enough, you wont be able to eat anything because the body is confused as to whether it is hungry or sick! Try drinking half a glass of citrus water (literally some lemon or lime or orange juice in some hot water) before having your shower, then by the time your shower is over you might be hungry and not sick. :smalltongue:

If you are sure it isn't the hungry-sick problem, you might be waking half way through a sleep cycle (a lot of people do). People will often force themselves awake using an alarm clock in the mornings, get out of bed groggy, and then try and eat something whilst they are still half-asleep. This is no good, because the body's hormones are just not at the right balance for digesting food (you dont digest food when in deep sleep). An easy fix is to adjust your sleeping time table so that you wake up after the end of a sleep cycle.
Sleep cycles go for 1.5h on average, your mileage might vary. So I often suggest sleeping either 7.5h, 9h, or 10.5h.
You can see why so many people wake up groggy... Everyone tries to sleep 8 hours! :smallmad:


Got a veggie version?
Warkitty, I have updated it. You may not like my opinion on the matter though. If you are vegetarian because of a medical condition, you may not be able to use Carb Loading (and thus the Green Face diet). Instead you should probably look toward Low GI carbs, and do some basic research on vegetarian foods which reduce the effects of estrogen, such as ones containing Isoflavones, or ones that promote melatonin etc. There is a book called The Anti-Estrogen Diet, which you should look at.



(Also, I don't know if he's around anymore, but Crow seemed to have the same kick, excepting he was more excercise-focused than diet-focused. Maybe you two could talk shop? I 'unno.)

Maybe I should PM Crow? Or does he have old threads I can read?
I have a lot of advice about training. I mainly take a mathematical view with training. I have looked at a lot of biomechanics, so that is where my perspective comes from.
I do believe that fat loss is 80% diet, bodily strength is 80% training, and muscular size is a combination of both.

Syka
2010-09-06, 08:39 PM
Yeah, I think it's more the other issue. It's not that I'm NOT hungry, it's just that when I eat my body gets all "Grr...it's too early!" No matter what time I go to sleep at night, if I wake up after 8am I don't have this problem though. :smallconfused:

I'll try tracking the sleep cycle thingy. By that logic, to get the 7.5, I need to get to sleep at...11:15. I can probably do it. I shall test this tomorrow. Thanks for the tip. :)

For the rest of this week I'll try hitting the hay at 9:45 and see where it gets me. 9 hours is really my ideal time...going to sleep before 10 just kills me though. :smallfrown: I'm such a night person.

WarKitty
2010-09-06, 08:44 PM
Warkitty, I have updated it. You may not like my opinion on the matter though. If you are vegetarian because of a medical condition, you may not be able to use Carb Loading (and thus the Green Face diet). Instead you should probably look toward Low GI carbs, and do some basic research on vegetarian foods which reduce the effects of estrogen, such as ones containing Isoflavones, or ones that promote melatonin etc. There is a book called The Anti-Estrogen Diet, which you should look at.

Taken a look. Never had any problems with soy products personally, most days they seem to be my best source of energy. I have a feeling I'm in the wrong thread though - I don't need to lose weight, I just have trouble keeping up an adequate athletic diet that doesn't leave me exhausted afterward.

Edit: What's wrong with feminine features on guys? They look hot that way.

TheThan
2010-09-06, 08:50 PM
The "green face diet" sounds an awful lot like the Atkins diet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet).

anyway I was on it for a while and it does work. the Thing it that it is a change in eating habits, and that is the hard part to change. most of us grew up eating the same sorts of foods our parents ate, after all they fed us for years. another thing is the cost of food can get expensive, as you sorta have to make everything fresh.

Forevernade
2010-09-06, 09:03 PM
I don't need to lose weight, I just have trouble keeping up an adequate athletic diet that doesn't leave me exhausted afterward.
Edit: What's wrong with feminine features on guys? They look hot that way.

I was not talking about anatomical features (like femanine faces, or smaller shoulders, larger hips etc) which is mostly genetic, but I was talking about physiological features, such as the growth of the notorious "moobs", enlarged nipples, a change in personality, decreased sex drive, or increased chances of developing type II diabetes.

What kinds of foods are you eating at the moment? Are you a skinny build which has always struggled to gain weight? MORE carbs might be the thing for you.

Also this is not a weight-loss thread, just a health and training thread, I guess.


The "green face diet" sounds an awful lot like the Atkins diet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet).


Yeah, it is a ketogenic diet like Atkins diet. Many names for the same thing. The difference is just minor details.

Lady Tialait
2010-09-06, 09:17 PM
Yeah, more then a few servings of veggies a day make me have bad...um bathroom problems number two.

More then a few servings of meat a month, makes me have bad headaches.

I don't really like pasta, bread, or any of the higher carbs or so. And I really hate fruit.

Oddly enough, I make a lot of meat, so I just don't eat much, and have extra helpings of saltful gravy/broth. I've always been that way, I have been to the hospital about...oh twenty times or something like that. They usally give me a injection of some stuff that makes my hyper...seriously, my personal physician suggested I have orange juice, I told him I hate fruit, so he suggested Red Bull. So, I drink one of those whenever my head turns to fuzz.

I think the reason for all this is that my Dad LOVES hotdogs, he eats about a pound of them a day...and I grew up on hotdogs for breakfast, lunch and dinner. So, yeah, pretty much all meat tastes like hotdogs to me, I hates hotdogs.

WarKitty
2010-09-06, 09:20 PM
I was not talking about anatomical features (like femanine faces, or smaller shoulders, larger hips etc) which is mostly genetic, but I was talking about physiological features, such as the growth of the notorious "moobs", enlarged nipples, a change in personality, decreased sex drive, or increased chances of developing type II diabetes.

What kinds of foods are you eating at the moment? Are you a skinny build which has always struggled to gain weight? MORE carbs might be the thing for you.

Also this is not a weight-loss thread, just a health and training thread, I guess.

Well I'm stuck with the college cafeteria so options are somewhat limited. Usually:

Breakfast: Almond slivers and whatever the dried fruit of the day is. Coffee and a glass of soymilk (easier on my stomach in the mornings, I have sinus drainage issues)

Lunch: If I'm lucky, egg of some form. If not, usually a bagel with cream cheese, supplemented by fries if available, other carb form if not.

Dinner: My big meal. Stir-fry of spinach, carrot, chickpeas, and whatever other veggies are available. Glass of orange juice and some variety of fruit (whatever's not got brown spots).

Snack: More fruit. Bagel. Whatever else I could sneak out of the cafeteria.


Yeah I'm one of those naturally skinny builds.

@Tialait: for me the bathroom problems wore off in a week or two. I hear it's something to do with your body adjusting to it.

Lady Tialait
2010-09-06, 09:28 PM
Then again, I am very active, I'm actually 6'2, very tall for a woman. I also weigh around 210lbs, so a little bit on the cushy side. After I get the baby up in the morning it's chase him around all day. After my hubby gets home I usually run over to one of my friend's house (Well Jog over there) And chitchat with him for a little while. Then jog back, it's about 4 blocks away.

I overall have good energy except when I forget to eat. Ya'know what I mean? I could afford to be a little thinner..I think.

Forevernade
2010-09-06, 09:35 PM
Yeah, more then a few servings of veggies a day make me have bad...um bathroom problems number two.

More then a few servings of meat a month, makes me have bad headaches.

I don't really like pasta, bread, or any of the higher carbs or so. And I really hate fruit.

Oddly enough, I make a lot of meat, so I just don't eat much, and have extra helpings of saltful gravy/broth. I've always been that way, I have been to the hospital about...oh twenty times or something like that. They usally give me a injection of some stuff that makes my hyper...seriously, my personal physician suggested I have orange juice, I told him I hate fruit, so he suggested Red Bull. So, I drink one of those whenever my head turns to fuzz.

I think the reason for all this is that my Dad LOVES hotdogs, he eats about a pound of them a day...and I grew up on hotdogs for breakfast, lunch and dinner. So, yeah, pretty much all meat tastes like hotdogs to me, I hates hotdogs.

I won't be doing diagnoses over the internet, because that is irresponsible, but I can make a few suggestions of things you can ask your doctor about.
How much water should you be drinking? If you drink/eat salty foods/gravy/broth, you are more likely to dehydrate, and headaches are a number one symptom of dehydration.
How much rough fibre is the right amount to eat to help with your digestive problems? Are there any additives you are using to cook with your vegetables that may cause digestion problems?

If you are adjusting to a new diet, you should always increase you intake of water and both soluble and non-soluble fibre to reduce symptoms of an irritated digestive system.



Well I'm stuck with the college cafeteria so options are somewhat limited. Usually:

Breakfast: Almond slivers and whatever the dried fruit of the day is. Coffee and a glass of soymilk (easier on my stomach in the mornings, I have sinus drainage issues)

Lunch: If I'm lucky, egg of some form. If not, usually a bagel with cream cheese, supplemented by fries if available, other carb form if not.

Dinner: My big meal. Stir-fry of spinach, carrot, chickpeas, and whatever other veggies are available. Glass of orange juice and some variety of fruit (whatever's not got brown spots).

Snack: More fruit. Bagel. Whatever else I could sneak out of the cafeteria.

Yeah I'm one of those naturally skinny builds.

That doesn't sound like many carbs at all. Your lightning fast metabolism probably just burns through what you eat, or it simply goes through you before you absorb all the nutrients. Try eating mixed bean salads and the like. Also, most fruit only gives you a hit of energy, if you are eating fruits, target ones like bananas, which have a well-rounded nutrient profile, and are high in Low GI carbs.

WarKitty
2010-09-06, 09:40 PM
That doesn't sound like many carbs at all. Your lightning fast metabolism probably just burns through what you eat, or it simply goes through you before you absorb all the nutrients. Try eating mixed bean salads and the like. Also, most fruit only gives you a hit of energy, if you are eating fruits, target ones like bananas, which have a well-rounded nutrient profile, and are high in Low GI carbs.

Beans don't exist around here. :smallyuk: Carbs come in really two primary forms around here: bread and potatoes. I have a really good cafeteria, but it's still a cafeteria. And I don't have regular kitchen access.

Bananas I can do well.

The Vorpal Tribble
2010-09-06, 09:49 PM
Hmm, looks like I'm already on the diet.

I actually rarely have any starch cravings.

Now, steak, eggs, peanut butter and raw vegetables like spinach, broccoli, and onions I crave all the time. Am told it's because for whatever reason my body likes its iron.

I usually have mangos for breakfast as I crave them.


Chocolate, blue cheese and brazil nuts are my guilty cravings. Hmm, chocolate coated brazil nuts in cheese...

Syka
2010-09-06, 09:49 PM
If I'm not mistaken, hummus is supposed to be pretty high protein and stuff and might be able to help you out. The grocery stores near me carry a pretty good brand called Sabra. Their original flavor is pretty spectacular.

Maybe talk to the cooks, see if they can get a hold of other stuff?

WarKitty
2010-09-06, 09:54 PM
If I'm not mistaken, hummus is supposed to be pretty high protein and stuff and might be able to help you out. The grocery stores near me carry a pretty good brand called Sabra. Their original flavor is pretty spectacular.

Maybe talk to the cooks, see if they can get a hold of other stuff?

Given that I'm already eating chickpeas pretty much daily, that would be a bit redundant. :smallyuk:

Deth Muncher
2010-09-06, 09:58 PM
D'aww, I inspired someone. Cool! Thanks for the info!

EDIT: I want a gorram kangaroo steak. Someone in Australia, I want you to fly to my house and make one for me.

loopy
2010-09-06, 11:38 PM
EDIT: I want a gorram kangaroo steak. Someone in Australia, I want you to fly to my house and make one for me.

As an Australian, I can tell you with 100% certainty that I'd have no idea how to cook a kangaroo steak.

We just generally leave ours outside for about 5-7 minutes, until they catch on fire from exposure to sunlight. Mmm... Char-grilled.

Don Julio Anejo
2010-09-06, 11:54 PM
And here I thought this was a fashion thread.. :frown:

Serpentine
2010-09-06, 11:56 PM
I think I sent someone some smoked kangaroo fillet, once. Ghost Warlock, was that you?
One problem though: I can't really eat breakfast. As in, if I wake up before 8am or so, eating within 30-60 minutes of waking makes me feel very ill. 4-5 days a week I wake up at 7ish and can bring a snack, but I'm pretty much going on empty 'til lunch.

I know this isn't really that good of a thing but it's either eat and get nauseous or just wait it out, and I definitely prefer the wait it out. Any tips on a good, portable breakfast (ie, grab and go, not requiring prep)?I have a similar problem. I'm always kinda delicate in the morning. I find it helps to have a glass of juice, first, to get my digestive system started. Have you tried that?
Failing that, how about a nice fruit smoothie? You can buy fruit in advance and freeze it, then whip it in a blender with some milk, and maybe some honey and chopped oats for a bit of low GI carbohydrates. If you're in a hurry, you could do a big lot once a week and keep it in a large milk bottle.

The experimental diet thingy I'm doing (with the truly awful website) seems to mostly be about keeping track of what you eat, sticking to a daily allotment of different food types (e.g. 3 units of fats and oils, 2.5 units of dairy, etc.), and having some protein in the middle of the day. Still don't know what low-fat fruit bars count as...

Coidzor
2010-09-07, 12:22 AM
Given that I'm already eating chickpeas pretty much daily, that would be a bit redundant. :smallyuk:

That's like saying peanut butter is redundant for sammiches if you are eating peanuts in your stirfry. :smalltongue:

Hummus is good with breads, on veggies, and can be used to like be a vehicle for delicious spice and flavorings.

Forevernade
2010-09-07, 12:58 AM
I have updated with several more sections. Do not read it all at once though, it will get boring quickly if you aren't passionate about fitness. I have organised it in what I would consider the order of importance.

7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs

Why lift heavy weights no matter your goals?

Ramping

Random Advice

rakkoon
2010-09-07, 02:03 AM
okay, now I need to bring a carton of milk with me to trainings..how to organise...good tips though, thanks

loopy
2010-09-07, 02:10 AM
And here I thought this was a fashion thread.. :frown:

If you want fashion... (http://www.wellcultured.com/)

Haruki-kun
2010-09-07, 10:56 AM
7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs

The link is broken... or is it just me?

Forevernade
2010-09-07, 01:33 PM
The link is broken... or is it just me?

Not just you. I found another source, and fixed the link.

valadil
2010-09-07, 01:52 PM
One problem though: I can't really eat breakfast. As in, if I wake up before 8am or so, eating within 30-60 minutes of waking makes me feel very ill. 4-5 days a week I wake up at 7ish and can bring a snack, but I'm pretty much going on empty 'til lunch.


I feel like I'm gonna get sick eating an early breakfast, but it never actually happens. I used to just skip it too or have some tea when I started getting hungry. What I noticed though was that when I did eat a real breakfast, I was less likely to snack throughout the day. I've also read that your metabolism speeds up if you give it something right away instead of making it wait. I can't comment on the truth of that, but I've lost some weight since I started having breakfast every morning, even when it makes me late for work.

On that note, eggs are awesome for breakfast. Part of why I was skipping breakfast entirely was because of how caloric cereal was. Even when I was getting exactly one serving from work, it was around 400 calories with milk. Eggs are 90 cals each. I don't even like them all that much. But 2 eggs gets me going until lunch time and I don't feel like snacking for the rest of the day.

Haruki-kun
2010-09-07, 02:13 PM
Well, since we have this neat little thread here, I think I'll take the opportunity to pose a question.

What do you do when you hit a plateau? I've been unable to increase the weight I'm lifting for months now. In any exercises. What would you recommend for this?

valadil
2010-09-07, 02:31 PM
What do you do when you hit a plateau? I've been unable to increase the weight I'm lifting for months now. In any exercises. What would you recommend for this?

Try different exercises. I switched from French Press to Dumbbell extensions and watched my triceps get way stronger. When I get too used to these, I'll go back to FP or try something else entirely.

If applicable, get a spotter. My bench is stuck at 225 right now because I'm afraid to go higher without a spotter. On those days when I do get over my own introversion and ask someone to help me, I can do many more reps than I otherwise would have dared and get a much better workout for it.

Haruki-kun
2010-09-07, 02:34 PM
If applicable, get a spotter. My bench is stuck at 225 right now because I'm afraid to go higher without a spotter. On those days when I do get over my own introversion and ask someone to help me, I can do many more reps than I otherwise would have dared and get a much better workout for it.

I'm, sadly, rather weak for my size.... :smallfrown: And find myself unable to increase my strength.

valadil
2010-09-07, 02:46 PM
I'm, sadly, rather weak for my size.... :smallfrown: And find myself unable to increase my strength.

What's your routine like? How often do you work out? What are you eating?

Forevernade
2010-09-07, 03:07 PM
Have you read the Strength Training section? A basic template for progression goes like this:

Pick a rep range from 3-5. Do a multi-joint exercise. Do an isolation exercise that targets your weakness.

For example:
Bench Press 3x5, Rope Pull Downs (triceps) 3x8
Ramp up, then do the working sets for each exercise. That means you will be doing a total of 6-7 sets for bench press, and 4-5 sets for pull downs.

If you stall, and cannot progress the weight from one week to the next, one of:
Increase the number of working sets.
Lower the weight by 15% and do 'acceleration' sets to try and push or pull as powerful (read: fast) as you can.
Do an extra session the same week, doing half the number of sets you did the first day.

Then the next week try and put the weight up 2.5lb. Don't be afraid to progress using the 1.25lb plates on each side. They are small but significant enough a difference!

If none of this works, your diet is probably limiting your strength. Increase protein, or eat some more carbs before a workout, or maybe just have some caffeine.

If this is too confusing, try looking at some of the Beginners or Further Reading programs in the Strength Training spoiler.

Haruki-kun
2010-09-07, 03:53 PM
What's your routine like? How often do you work out? What are you eating?


Have you read the Strength Training section? A basic template for progression goes like this:

Pick a rep range from 3-5. Do a multi-joint exercise. Do an isolation exercise that targets your weakness.

For example:
Bench Press 3x5, Rope Pull Downs (triceps) 3x8
Ramp up, then do the working sets for each exercise. That means you will be doing a total of 6-7 sets for bench press, and 4-5 sets for pull downs.

If you stall, and cannot progress the weight from one week to the next, one of:
Increase the number of working sets.
Lower the weight by 15% and do 'acceleration' sets to try and push or pull as powerful (read: fast) as you can.
Do an extra session the same week, doing half the number of sets you did the first day.

Then the next week try and put the weight up 2.5lb. Don't be afraid to progress using the 1.25lb plates on each side. They are small but significant enough a difference!

If none of this works, your diet is probably limiting your strength. Increase protein, or eat some more carbs before a workout, or maybe just have some caffeine.

If this is too confusing, try looking at some of the Beginners or Further Reading programs in the Strength Training spoiler.

Well, I've mostly been training for mass... for a while. My workout's a regular four day split. I don't think I've ever worked out focusing purely on strength. If I switch now will I lose mass gains or something? I was hoping not...

I try to eat as much protein as I can, but sometimes it's hard, living in college and all. I eat a lot of eggs, chicken breast, milk, etc, though. And Whey after working out.

Oh, and I don't think I could possibly put more caffeine into my system without becoming a zombie. <.<

Miklus
2010-09-07, 04:22 PM
I have a question. I may be fat, but am I in bad shape? Last sunday I biked for about an hour, walked an hour pulling the bike and biked back home for an hour. I'm guessing about 40km on bike and 5km on foot. I know it's not exactly epic. How far can an average guy bike in 2 hours?

Bonus question: Why does people feel the need to dress up like a joker when they bike? You know, skinthight bodysuits in bright colors and patterns? Bicycle shorts that leaves nothing to the imagination? And why does only middleaged men wear this? T_T

Forevernade
2010-09-07, 06:01 PM
Well, I've mostly been training for mass... for a while. My workout's a regular four day split. I don't think I've ever worked out focusing purely on strength. If I switch now will I lose mass gains or something? I was hoping not...

I try to eat as much protein as I can, but sometimes it's hard, living in college and all. I eat a lot of eggs, chicken breast, milk, etc, though. And Whey after working out.

Oh, and I don't think I could possibly put more caffeine into my system without becoming a zombie. <.<

Haha, ok well dont drink more caffeine then! I would only suggest that to someone who doesnt drink caffine at all.
You wont loose mass if you havent built much up. Try switching to strength training for a solid 4 weeks and see how you go. PM me your 4 day routine so I understand what you have been doing. Also you might want to eat more carbs pre work-out. Have a big bowl of pasta 30 min beforehand, or have some rice with your chicken. Remember that if you are having whey on it's own post-workout you are wasting your natural pump by not consuming an insulin-spiker, add a teaspoon of sugar/dextrose if that is all you have. I pretty much have the idea that you can eat as much non-junk carbs you want within the half hour of your workout.


I have a question. I may be fat, but am I in bad shape? Last sunday I biked for about an hour, walked an hour pulling the bike and biked back home for an hour. I'm guessing about 40km on bike and 5km on foot. I know it's not exactly epic. How far can an average guy bike in 2 hours?

Bonus question: Why does people feel the need to dress up like a joker when they bike? You know, skinthight bodysuits in bright colors and patterns? Bicycle shorts that leaves nothing to the imagination? And why does only middleaged men wear this? T_T

You can be fat AND fit! In fact there are probably more fit fat people out there than you think. By only training cardio for high intensity (130bpm+) your heart gets fit, but people won't usually lose weight. Instead try doing medium intensity (around 100-120bpm heart rate) more frequently. Also diet is a key factor! Fat people usually have bad insulin sensitivity, which prevents them from 'spiking' their insulin levels, so they find it hard to lose weight, and hard to build muscle. Ketogenic diets have been shown to increse insulin sensitivity.

Brother Oni
2010-09-08, 11:27 AM
Would anybody mind if I asked a question about training issues I'm having, but aren't technically physically related?

Haruki-kun
2010-09-08, 11:34 AM
Would anybody mind if I asked a question about training issues I'm having, but aren't technically physically related?

Sure, go ahead.

Brother Oni
2010-09-08, 12:47 PM
I think I need to give a bit of background first:

I've practised martial arts from a relatively young age and when I got old enough, I expanded into using weights (free and machine) to increase my strength.
This culminated when I was at university where I was doing something like 6-7 hours a week training, up to 2 hours daily when I was training for a tournament.

After university my training lapsed until a couple years later when I started up again, but weights only (lack of a decent martial arts class in my area at the time). Unfortunately I found that training made me aggressive and short tempered, to the extent that my wife asked me to stop.

Fast forward a couple more years and my weight has ballooned up to 14 stone (~200lbs), and I'm finding diet and walking isn't working anymore.
I like exercise, but I'm having trouble finding something I can do that won't make me un-liveable with.

Erloas
2010-09-08, 01:00 PM
It sounds mostly like an issue with testosterone levels. If its been a few years you could probably start up again, and with lower testosterone levels that come with aging, you should be fine. The other option is to just scale back how much you work out and lift. There should be a fairly decent separation between working out enough to loose weight and keep fairly strong, and getting entirely too high of levels of testosterone.

Or another possibility is to find some other activity to do as well that takes out some of the built up energy. SCA worked great for me, as martial arts seemed to for you before. I'm sure there are a lot of other options as well.

max-is-working
2010-09-08, 01:03 PM
I think I need to give a bit of background first:

I've practised martial arts from a relatively young age and when I got old enough, I expanded into using weights (free and machine) to increase my strength.
This culminated when I was at university where I was doing something like 6-7 hours a week training, up to 2 hours daily when I was training for a tournament.

After university my training lapsed until a couple years later when I started up again, but weights only (lack of a decent martial arts class in my area at the time). Unfortunately I found that training made me aggressive and short tempered, to the extent that my wife asked me to stop.

Fast forward a couple more years and my weight has ballooned up to 14 stone (~200lbs), and I'm finding diet and walking isn't working anymore.
I like exercise, but I'm having trouble finding something I can do that won't make me un-liveable with.

I'm curious about this too.

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EDIT: Ah. I just saw the reply above. It was posted while I was writing my message.

Shyftir
2010-09-08, 01:25 PM
Thank you!

I want to get in better shape and several of my friends are big on the whole supplement roller coaster. They go on and on about how this or that is good or bad for you and quite honestly I think they are drinking the (Specially formulated for health!) kool-aid.

Your info is much more acceptable to my skeptical mind with actual science to back it up and no ridiculous take-this-stuff-found-in-volcanoes BS. I will start to follow your advice.

So cardio and strength training in combination will help me be more fit and lose weight? What would you suggest for a guy who has been sedintary for a long time now? If it helps exercising just to exercise kinda drives me nuts. Any fun ways to get started?

Brother Oni
2010-09-08, 01:59 PM
It sounds mostly like an issue with testosterone levels. If its been a few years you could probably start up again, and with lower testosterone levels that come with aging, you should be fine. The other option is to just scale back how much you work out and lift. There should be a fairly decent separation between working out enough to loose weight and keep fairly strong, and getting entirely too high of levels of testosterone.

Or another possibility is to find some other activity to do as well that takes out some of the built up energy. SCA worked great for me, as martial arts seemed to for you before. I'm sure there are a lot of other options as well.

I figured it was testosterone issues, but due to my previous history, I find it hard not to get carried away when exercising.

The problem is that I don't feel I've had a proper workout unless I've had a crack at my highest rep and since you shouldn't attempt that without scaling up properly, well you can see my issue.

Other activities won't help take out some of the built up energy since it's my mindset that's the problem, which is unrelated to however much energy I have.

I'll talk it over with my wife and see if she's happy with me starting up again and see if I can find this sweet spot of between getting a good workout and
being Mr Hyde.

valadil
2010-09-08, 02:24 PM
The problem is that I don't feel I've had a proper workout unless I've had a crack at my highest rep and since you shouldn't attempt that without scaling up properly, well you can see my issue.


Understandable. I took time off for my wedding and honeymoon, and when I got back it was real frustrating not being able to lift weights I could handle a month ago. Anyway, my suggestion here is to try a new exercise where you don't have an established personal high school. If you've done barbells and dumbbells, try kettleballs. Then you won't feel pressured to lift at a level beyond what's currently reasonable.

Forevernade
2010-09-08, 02:56 PM
Thank you!

I want to get in better shape and several of my friends are big on the whole supplement roller coaster. They go on and on about how this or that is good or bad for you and quite honestly I think they are drinking the (Specially formulated for health!) kool-aid.

Your info is much more acceptable to my skeptical mind with actual science to back it up and no ridiculous take-this-stuff-found-in-volcanoes BS. I will start to follow your advice.

So cardio and strength training in combination will help me be more fit and lose weight? What would you suggest for a guy who has been sedintary for a long time now? If it helps exercising just to exercise kinda drives me nuts. Any fun ways to get started?

Depends how useful you want it to be. You might be interested in Strongman Training or Highland Training, which is more like "doing excercise for the fun of it". It is strength based athletics without the wank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1tyAnvSZQM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I9dg99ATnA
Talk about 'taking it back to basics', I love the way strongman and highland games replicate 'being a male' back in the stone age.
Strongman training consists of power-training days, and event-training days, so you get your fair share of variety practicing with barbells, dumbells, stones, sleds and eventually when you are big enough - trucks!
Find a strongman gym near you, if there are none, find a powerlifting gym, and find a friend to practice events with, and enter your nearest strongman event.

If you want a more directly 'useful' way of training, try making a project with a brother or a friend - build a garage on your propery, or buy a large load of thick wood and try hack through as much wood in as little time as you can, then afterward you have a whole bunch of firewood to burn. :smallamused: (fire!!!!!)
You can replicate these kinds of movements (and releive stress) by stealing a ruined second-hand car tire, and taking a sledge hammer to it. Literally pound the **** out of that piece of rubber for a minute at a time. Then after 4-5 sets of hammering, you can practice lifting the tire above your head for 4-5 sets, you can attach a rope to it and drag it for a lap around the backyard...

If you are stuck for ideas just ask me again in a few days I might have more to say.

If you want to do something in the mean time, Rippetoes Starting Strength is designed specifically for those who either: have not done strength training before, or have been inactive for a very long time.


I figured it was testosterone issues, but due to my previous history, I find it hard not to get carried away when exercising.

The problem is that I don't feel I've had a proper workout unless I've had a crack at my highest rep and since you shouldn't attempt that without scaling up properly, well you can see my issue.

Other activities won't help take out some of the built up energy since it's my mindset that's the problem, which is unrelated to however much energy I have.

I'll talk it over with my wife and see if she's happy with me starting up again and see if I can find this sweet spot of between getting a good workout and
being Mr Hyde.

WS4SB3 is perfect for you if you like 'maxing out' every time you go to the gym. Each 'heavy day' you max out a new exercise for 3-5 repititions, and you don't repeat that exercise for another 4-5 weeks, so you never quite get 'burnt out' if you do it right. Follow the template properly and you will make gains. Try not do make 'adjustments' until you have done it for a full 8 weeks. Fitness is a long term thing!

If you are having mental problems then gym is probably not the issue, but it is likely going to the gym is elevating stress and making things worse. Find out what you think about when you are aggravated: do you want to get into a fight? do you have a high level of irritability? Do you feel tired and want to be 'left alone'?
If you are tired there are products like ZMA which help you get a good nights sleep, you can train before dinner, eat, take zma and snooze away all that stress.
If the aggravation is something else, seek advice from your doctor or psychologist, you don't have to be a loony to see one of them, you might only need a tip or two from a medical professional and things could make a turn for the good.



Understandable. I took time off for my wedding and honeymoon, and when I got back it was real frustrating not being able to lift weights I could handle a month ago. Anyway, my suggestion here is to try a new exercise where you don't have an established personal high school. If you've done barbells and dumbbells, try kettleballs. Then you won't feel pressured to lift at a level beyond what's currently reasonable.

Good advice also!

Shyftir
2010-09-08, 09:15 PM
Actually, I'm wanting to prepare for a sort of "wild man" run that involves running through the woods and swinging over creeks and just all sorts of messy obstacle kind of things.

But the highland games type stuff looks interesting too.

One other thing, any suggestions for people on a very low budget?

Forevernade
2010-09-08, 09:48 PM
Used tires are cheap or free. When they get too light you can tie several together in a loop, or you can upgrade to a used truck tire (much bigger).

Sandbags are cheap too. It is a bag, and you shovel some dirt from your backyard into it. Easy as! Pick it up, throw it over a fence, throw it overhead, push it overhead. Treat it like going to the gym by doing repetitions and sets.

Get a long rope, tie it around the branch of a tall tree, and climb the rope to the top once a day. (big back muscles). Getting too easy? Don't use your legs. Getting too easy? climb upside down.

Don't underestimate the lowly push-up. Until you can do 30-40 you have no reason to be doing a bench-press unless you are over 220lb bodyweight.

Whey is cheaper than any other food. Look online for places that sell in bulk. I have seen whey concentrate for as cheap as $15/kg (in NSW, AUS) bought in 20kg packs. IF that is too much, go halvies with a brother or friend, that's what I did. Remember if you don't eat it with real food you will get epic diarrhoea - you cant have whey as your only food source.

Miklus
2010-09-09, 05:15 PM
Thank you for your answer, Forevernade. I googled the bike thing and my pace is pretty standard for a mountainbike. The wide tires makes it slower on asphalt than other bikes.

But biking is not going to do much for loosing weight. If you do the math, you realise that you only loose some 540Kcal per hour of biking. That's one donut! I only bike to keep fit, I don't want to be panting like a dog just because I have to up some stairs.

I guess I have to start counting calories again if I want to loose weight. At least I know it works. I have lost weight that way before.

Brother Oni
2010-09-10, 06:52 AM
WS4SB3 is perfect for you if you like 'maxing out' every time you go to the gym.

Thanks for the advice. I'll look up that training regime.



If you are having mental problems then gym is probably not the issue, but it is likely going to the gym is elevating stress and making things worse.

It's not that. After a training session, I'm usually fairly relaxed, since I'm still on an endorphin high plus I've worked out most of my stress.

The problem is I'm more aggressive in responding to situations if I've been training a while. For example, if somebody cut me up while driving, I'd be annoyed but nothing more. While I was training, I'd have to resist the urge to ram the [expletive] off the road, drag him out of the car and give him a good kicking.
I can also be perfectly calm and relaxed, but I end up over-reacting to a minor irritation I would ignore normally.

Thankfully, martial arts has given me a lot of self control, but the urge is still there. I don't know whether that sort of impulse is treatable by seeing a psychiatrist, given that I don't (usually) act on them and only happen when I have elevated testosterone levels.


Anyway, my suggestion here is to try a new exercise where you don't have an established personal high school. If you've done barbells and dumbbells, try kettleballs. Then you won't feel pressured to lift at a level beyond what's currently reasonable.

Thanks - I'll look up what kettleballs are and see if I can make some use of them.

Keld Denar
2010-09-21, 02:07 AM
Good sir, I notice a rather disturbing lack of dietary fiber in your diet list. Some of the veggies have them, but thats it. I'd highly suggest sprinkling at least one meal a day with Flax Seed or other fiber suppliment. Fiber is great for weight control.

Other than that, I like it. It even has a catchy name. Green Faces...

Forevernade
2010-09-21, 02:51 AM
Green Faces is not meant to be a sustainable diet. It is for people who struggle to change their eating habits because they crave sugar too much, so it is best to cut out carbs all together, and then re-introduce it to them later once they have established some cooking skills and some self-control (both mentally and physiologically). 2 weeks of medium-low fibre will not destroy someone, and the list is no exhaustive, add a larger variety of greens and faces if you like. The chances are a lot of people are on a low-fibre diet anyway, so they will not know the difference, or they may even find their state improves.

EDIT: I have done some research into vegetarian non-soy sources of protein. I decided I would be an unfortunate and limited instructor if I did not have any advice for vegetarian clients. You will now find new information in the Green Faces and Protein sections.

Doctor Acula
2010-09-21, 06:55 AM
I can't do a pull up yet, is there an exercise I can do that will build me up to the intensity of a pull up?

Forevernade
2010-09-21, 07:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvkIaarnf0g

Inverted rows are good. Begin with the bar at above waist hight, so you are at 45 degrees to the ground. As you get stronger, lower it until you are parallel with the bar like he is doing. When you can do both, begin to practice both in the same work out.

If you cannot afford, or do not have access to a Lat Pulldown (http://www.healthstylesexercise.com/catalog/images/Body-Solid-G1S-Lat-Pulldown.jpg)or an Assisted Chinup machine, then you can buy a resistance band (http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?cid=138) and tie it to the bar to perform a Band Assisted Chinup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBi2tNBPtQ).

Concentrate on feeling your lats (http://www.getfitslow.com/images/lats.jpg?1264493167) (read: back and under-arms) work.

When performing exercises like these, do a high number of sets, for less reps than you could do if you went all-out. Try to move as fast as you can without flailing about (yes, try to build momentum), and then at the top of the movement, squeeze and hold for 2 seconds.
For example 45 degree inverted row - 10(sets) x 3(reps)

Frequency is the key, not volume, so try to do this 3-5 days a week, and you will quickly be able to perform a chin-up.

Another option is to loose body fat.

Doctor Acula
2010-09-21, 09:49 AM
Well I'm at 10% body fat right now and am 160 lbs. so I am not sure if I really need to loose a ton of fat. My other question for you is how long should I wait before working out the same muscle again? My current system is 4 exersizes per muscle group, 3 sets each with a weight where I need help with reps 7 and 8.

Monday- Chest
Tuesday-Back
Wendsday- Shoulders
Thursday- Biceps+Triceps
Friday- Running
Saturday- Yoga
Sunday- Rest

Should I be working the same muscle groups many times a week? if so how many?

EDIT: Is cheese allowed on the greenface diet?

Haruki-kun
2010-09-21, 01:32 PM
My other question for you is how long should I wait before working out the same muscle again?

The direct answer to this question, IIRC, is two days. However, lots of people only work out each muscle once a week and it works well enough. My advice is once a week.

valadil
2010-09-21, 02:00 PM
The direct answer to this question, IIRC, is two days. However, lots of people only work out each muscle once a week and it works well enough. My advice is once a week.

I've heard 5 days as a general rule of thumb. Once a week is solid too though because it lets you assign a muscle group to each day of the week.

Some muscles will take longer to heal though. I read that heavy deadlifts should only be done once a month, and nowhere near your squats.

Haruki-kun
2010-09-21, 02:15 PM
I've heard 5 days as a general rule of thumb. Once a week is solid too though because it lets you assign a muscle group to each day of the week.

It's not an exact science. Depends on many factors.


Some muscles will take longer to heal though. I read that heavy deadlifts should only be done once a month, and nowhere near your squats.

.....if anything takes a month to recover from, I think it's something you shouldn't be doing at all.

Forevernade
2010-09-21, 02:53 PM
There is no science behind why people only deadlift once per month, it is simply an observation that 99% of the population will improve their deadlift by squatting, but not the other way around. Even top pro deadlifters do not usually include full-range deadlifts in their programs every week.

The question on frequency completely relies on your goals...
Generally there is a maximum recovery limit and a high frequency limit. Over many years of training you will find your limits. Usually people's frequency limit starts at every 2 days, and as they begin to get stronger and get a better work capacity they will be able to train up to twice a day 5-6 days a week! But that takes many years to earn a high enough work capacity for that.
Maximum recovery limit usually begins at 2-3 days, and as people increase the volume of their workouts, it can grow up to 9 days.
As you can see there is a large discrepancy between work capacity and maximum recovery. The first is usually improved if strength or athleticism is a person's goal, and the second is usually lengthened if a person is following a bodybuilding style program.

Don't get too confused, just pick: strength or size. Then work toward that goal. You can always switch from one to the other every 4-12 weeks.

tldr;
Improving strength requires more frequency, so start with working the same muscle group every 2 days, and try to improve the frequency by adding more sets, then splitting those sets into separate sessions.
Hypertrophy requires volume, and volume requires extended periods of rest. As you need more time to recover from the increased volume or density, work harder, and rest longer.

Cheese
Low lactose cheeses are good to go. The rule of thumb is the older the cheese has aged, the lower the lactose. Usually the harder the cheese, the older it is, and the lower the lactose. Best time of day is to consume an hour or two after a work out.

Doctor Acula
2010-09-21, 10:37 PM
:smalleek: That means no blue cheese dressing and no cheddar!!!

Forevernade
2010-09-21, 10:54 PM
:smalleek: That means no blue cheese dressing and no cheddar!!!

LACTOSE CONTENT OF FOODS
Low Lactose
sherbet
swiss cheese
blue cheese
cheddar cheese
mozzarella cheese
brick cheese
parmesan cheese
cream cheese cottage cheese
whipping cream
butter
lactaid-treated milk

Medium Lactose
buttermilk
sour cream
light cream
low fat yogurt
half-and-half
ice cream
ice-milk
feta cheese

High Lactose
condensed milk
evaporated milk
whole milk
2% milk
skim milk
skim milk powder
processed cheese products

Source: BC Cancer Agency Low Lactose Guidelines (http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/NR/rdonlyres/75D25772-8F87-4C8C-9BA2-8600AB07591C/9322/LowLactoseGuidelines1.pdf)

Dr.Epic
2010-09-21, 11:16 PM
I have a question: would you recommend isometric exercises since you said one should definitely work out with waits?

Haruki-kun
2010-09-21, 11:17 PM
I'm gonna throw out another interesting link here.

Sugar Stacks. (http://sugarstacks.com/)

These guys measure the sugar in a bunch of given products and then put it as stacks of sugar cubes next to the products itself. Some are a bit frightening. :smalleek:

Not very scientific or anything, but as I said, interesting.

Don Julio Anejo
2010-09-21, 11:26 PM
Decided that since I've been at a plateau for the last two months or so (and adding extra sets isn't possible simply because of time constraints), that it's time to try protein shakes. Went to Superstore and got myself a tub of whey isolate. Will let you know how it turns out.

PS: whey isolate and predigested whey are actually different things, isolate is simply, well, isolated protein that's still folded in its natural form. Predigested whey is a hydrolysate, which means it's partially broken down into smaller amino acid sequences, which makes it easier to digest but also tastes pretty bad.

Haruki-kun
2010-09-21, 11:36 PM
Whey is not particularly famous for its taste. Tastes awful. :smallyuk:

Forevernade
2010-09-22, 12:12 AM
I'm gonna throw out another interesting link here.

Sugar Stacks. (http://sugarstacks.com/)

Nice link, Haru!


I have a question: would you recommend isometric exercises since you said one should definitely work out with waits?

Isometric exercises are usually used to overload the CNS when you are at a 'strength based' plateau. Because isometric exercise does not move, work on the muscles are minimal and therefore hypertrophy is minimal.

If you are looking for strength gains, isometrics are most commonly used in these ways:

Rack Lockout and Hold
For both bench press and deadlift, pins are set up in a power rack. A deadlifter will deadlift from a height equal the knee caps. A bench press will be performed so that the bar moves the range of half the forearm. At these ranges, the bar is held at the top position at the end of the set for as long as possible. Knees (in the case of DL) and elbows (in the case of BP) should be UNLOCKED whilst in the top position, so that muscular strain still occurs.
Pause Isometrics
For certain portions of an exercise such as bench press, squat and chin up, it is beneficial to strengthen that section of the lift. Lets say you can do X amount of chin ups, and you get stuck at the elbow = 90 degrees position most of your later reps, and that is where you grind to a halt at your last rep. Do half your max number of chin ups, and then hold in that weakest position for as long as you can. This takes lots of will power. A variation is to isometrically hold above the weakest position, at the weakest position, below the weakest position, and then move back up above the weakest position, repeating this for as long as you can stand. Generally with this variation I try to hold for at least 4 seconds, each position.

You will find you are much stronger at isometrics than you think. Mental strength is just as important as physical strength. You may groan, and bitch, and shake for a long while, but you will probably have more left in the tank.

Icewalker
2010-09-22, 08:58 PM
So, I'm looking for a partial tangent to all of this. I'm about to start taking up rather a lot of martial arts among other things (slowly, a couple at a time, probably only sticking with a few, but I want to look into quite a few of them.) I'm currently physically fit, but not incredibly, on the thin side, not the overweight side. Thing is, I'm looking for help with flexibility as much as endurance (and endurance more than strength). Is there a good regimen of stretches anyone knows of which helps with as much of the body as possible? I'm going to be doing things like Parkour, Capoeira, and Wushu, and would like to have a pile of stretches to go through every morning and evening as well as before practice. On a similar note, are there negative consequences to stretching too often? I'm guessing not, only to stretching too hard, but it's worth checking.

As to physical training, I'm looking more for endurance than I am for strength. Having just moved into college, I am nicely set up in that I will be taking four flights of stairs up and down to my room several times per day, but nonetheless, additional exercise is warranted, and I intend to get up early for such. Honestly, I would prefer as little bulge of muscles as possible, I'm a thin wiry guy, and think it works best for me, but I want to be able to manage longer before I run out of breath. Any suggestions?

This is more along the lines of improvement and training than fitness. If people think it's sufficiently different, I could make a separate thread.

Forevernade
2010-09-22, 09:05 PM
So, I'm looking for a partial tangent to all of this. I'm about to start taking up rather a lot of martial arts among other things (slowly, a couple at a time, probably only sticking with a few, but I want to look into quite a few of them.) I'm currently physically fit, but not incredibly, on the thin side, not the overweight side. Thing is, I'm looking for help with flexibility as much as endurance (and endurance more than strength). Is there a good regimen of stretches anyone knows of which helps with as much of the body as possible? I'm going to be doing things like Parkour, Capoeira, and Wushu, and would like to have a pile of stretches to go through every morning and evening as well as before practice. On a similar note, are there negative consequences to stretching too often? I'm guessing not, only to stretching too hard, but it's worth checking.

As to physical training, I'm looking more for endurance than I am for strength. Having just moved into college, I am nicely set up in that I will be taking four flights of stairs up and down to my room several times per day, but nonetheless, additional exercise is warranted, and I intend to get up early for such. Honestly, I would prefer as little bulge of muscles as possible, I'm a thin wiry guy, and think it works best for me, but I want to be able to manage longer before I run out of breath. Any suggestions?

This is more along the lines of improvement and training than fitness. If people think it's sufficiently different, I could make a separate thread.

Remember you can get very very strong and fast without putting on muscle! I am running out now, but I will post you a couple of things that apply to martial arts.
As for stretching, it can be detrimental to overstretch for endurance athletes such as marathon runners, because if momentum takes their over-stretched legs past the optimal turn-around point, when they are running, then they have to put more energy into reversing the acceleration caused by swinging their leg. It is easier to use the natural inflexibility to rebound the leg from one part of the 'running' movement to the next part of the movement.
Martial artists shouldn't have a problem with overstretching.

I would suggest getting a foam roller, and starting with 5 minutes of foam rolling each morning after a hot shower. It will help pump blood into your legs and arms and you will work up a sweat without actually having to 'warm up' by exercising. Then just stretch and hold the rolled muscle for 30-45 seconds minimum. Also practice Dynamic Stretching, for movements like kicking, where your leg is raised.

Brother Oni
2010-09-23, 11:00 AM
With martial arts, it very much depends on what you do and how it's taught.

For example, a close fighting style like Mantis requires very different stretches to a grappling one like Aikido and a style intended for full contact competition or a traditionally taught Chinese hard style will (or should) contain a fair bit of conditioning and human resistance (where either your own muscles or a partner provides the resistance) exercises which will affect your recovery.

I'm not overly familiar with Capoeria (only took one lesson) and 'Wushu' covers so many different styles it's not funny.

If you can give me what exactly you're learning, I can suggest a particular stretching regime that may help, but the instructor should teach you any specific stretches you need as part of the class warmup.

Icewalker
2010-09-23, 12:40 PM
Yeah, I'm just going to be stretching morning and evening as well, for good measure (I'm quite non-flexible, and want to fix that). I'll have a hard time telling you what I'm going to be doing exactly, because there is so much of it. At the moment, Parkour, Tai Chi, and Wushu (don't know details as to style), possibly also Capoeira or Yoga, and in a couple months I will probably be taking one or two of: Kali, Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do, Muay Thai, and potentially if I find the classes outside of college, Baguazhang, Wing Chun, Jiujutsu...there's a couple I'm forgetting, probably. Point is, WAY too many things, so I'm looking for a good general setup of stretching.

I expect I'll be able to get a lot or most of it from my instructors in such things, but I felt it was worth checking in nonetheless.

ThreadKiller
2010-09-23, 05:28 PM
I know that milk is good as a pre- and post-workout drink, but I'm mildly lactose-intolerant. Is soy milk a decent substitute? I've been trying to look for answers on the internet, but I couldn't find a definite one.

Keld Denar
2010-09-23, 05:50 PM
What part of lactose are you intolerant to? Whey is derived from milk, but isn't milk. Whey is a valuable source of protein that is present in milk. Consider taking a protein suppliment after you work out as an alternative to milk. Soy suppliments tend to have a lower BV (biological value) than whey products, which means your body takes up less of it. I'm currently playing around with a soy product, and I don't notice a big difference between that and whey, but the chemistry wouldn't lie to you. If you can't do whey, alternatives are egg, casin (also milk derived, but different), and soy suppliments. The main thing you are getting from milk immediately after a workout is protien, which you can get elsewhere.

If you do consider a soy protien suppliment, look for a fermented soy product, especailly if you are a dude. Soy tends to break down into phyto-estrogens, which MAY affect you, depending on how much you consume and your body's sensativity. Fermenting the soy changes it's chemical makeup, inhibiting breakdown in this way. Its also more readily absorbed into your muscles. Fermented soy products tend to be more expensive though...

As far as soy milk, it tends to have a lot of artificial/natural sweeteners, I've noticed. These tend to pack in extra carbs, which you may or may not desire. Carbs are certainly better pre-workout than post-workout, though, see the above article on carb-loading.

Haruki-kun
2010-09-23, 08:06 PM
Ima walk in here and see if anyone has any information on swimming.

I don't do as much cardio as I should, one of the main reasons I have a hard time losing fat, and I find running.... unappealing (read: I hate running). Stationary bikes are OK, but a bit boring. My school has a pool and now that I'm living here I have full access to it, so... I was thinking maybe I could start swimming. But I don't know the first thing about it.

....well, OK, not exactly true. I do know how to swim. My parents thought it was one of those things everyone should know, and so they made sure we learned as kids. I can survive in water and swim OK, but I've never really done it as a sport or exercise.

So... anyone got any guidance on it?

Forevernade
2010-09-23, 08:45 PM
1.What part of lactose are you intolerant to?

2.I know that milk is good as a pre- and post-workout drink, but I'm mildly lactose-intolerant. Is soy milk a decent substitute? I've been trying to look for answers on the internet, but I couldn't find a definite one.

"If you can't do whey, alternatives are egg, casin (also milk derived, but different), and soy suppliments. The main thing you are getting from milk immediately after a workout is protien, which you can get elsewhere."

3.If you do consider a soy protien suppliment, look for a fermented soy product

4.Carbs are certainly better pre-workout than post-workout, though, see the above article on carb-loading.

1. Lactose is lactose, there are differences in types of lactose intolerance, but if you have lactose in your diet, then all sources should act very similarly.

2. Look at the vegetarian list in the protein section for more alternatives, such as rice and pumpkin seed etc.

3. QFT

4. I would suggest eating carbs both before and after a workout. My general recommendation is up to 80g before/within a workout, and up to 40g after a workout.



I expect I'll be able to get a lot or most of it from my instructors in such things, but I felt it was worth checking in nonetheless.

Your instructors and Brother Oni probably know more about stretching for martial arts than me, my expertise doesn't go in that direction, so take their advice.

Doing so many things may quickly over-train you. I would suggest picking 2, and some sport-specific strength training, at most. The more you try to diversify, the worse you will be at each. Especially if you are beginning to learn certain motor patterns such as a kick, punch, or manoeuvre, you will confuse the different style and end up using a pseudo-combined combat style, which none of the different martial art instructors will think is acceptable. Learn one style, then once you have the basics down pat, move onto the next style, whilst up-keeping your old style. Taking steps is the way to progress!

Keld Denar
2010-09-24, 12:15 AM
I was inquiring about the various protiens in milk. If you are lactose intolerant, would pure whey give you stomache issues? What about a casine product? Both are VERY different protien, both present in milk, and both available seperately in protein suppliments. My ex-gf couldn't have either, but I've known people who can handle one or the other.

Then again, I hear most people with lactose intolerance issues can't handle whey, so that sounds straight out. Is casine even a possibility?

Doctor Acula
2010-10-01, 12:28 AM
Would LARP be considered cardio?

Haruki-kun
2010-10-01, 12:34 AM
Depends on how hard you're LARPing.

rakkoon
2010-10-01, 04:30 AM
I knew a guy who played a messenger on a LARP and it took us 45 minutes (uphill) to get from one side to the other. He got a cardio workout allright!

DeadManSleeping
2010-10-02, 08:31 AM
Okay, I have a couple questions:

1. What's a good way to design an optimal workout without access to weights (or any other equipment for that matter)? Some days the weather's not good for me to go to the gym (I have to walk a good deal more than a mile), and I don't have the money or the space for weights. How can I make sure I'm still getting a good workout? If it's important, my goals are fitness (muscle strength and endurance), not muscle tone or weight loss. I'm willing to workout every day, but I need an effective routine!

2. Is it a bad idea to exercise outside in the cold? Obviously, one can't exercise while bundled up, so how bad is it to be in cold weather while doing exercise?

Don Julio Anejo
2010-10-02, 08:55 AM
Do you have access to a chin-up bar? Oh, the things you can do with that thing :wink:

Serpentine
2010-10-02, 08:57 AM
Like chin-ups!

DeadManSleeping
2010-10-02, 09:12 AM
I have solid ground. That's about all.

Haruki-kun
2010-10-02, 11:29 AM
Okay, I have a couple questions:

1. What's a good way to design an optimal workout without access to weights (or any other equipment for that matter)? Some days the weather's not good for me to go to the gym (I have to walk a good deal more than a mile), and I don't have the money or the space for weights. How can I make sure I'm still getting a good workout? If it's important, my goals are fitness (muscle strength and endurance), not muscle tone or weight loss. I'm willing to workout every day, but I need an effective routine!

2. Is it a bad idea to exercise outside in the cold? Obviously, one can't exercise while bundled up, so how bad is it to be in cold weather while doing exercise?

1) Here (http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/tipsandtricks/a/basictraining.htm), this might help. But if you could get yourself a chinup/pullup bar, It would be best. Get creative, you can use lots of things

2) Yes, it's a bad idea. You'll probably start sweating, and if it's cold, that's a terrible thing.