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Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-28, 03:04 PM
Hey all, Ido here!

I'm not totally sure how to start this off, so forgive me if I ramble a bit at first. I've always loved to draw and "do arty things". It was one of my first loves growing up, my folks would always find me up in my room doodling with my crayons or taping random bits of construction paper together. My decision on which high school I went to was majorly influenced by the quality of their art program! But, by that point the usual things had already begun - comparing myself to other artists, the supposed lack of time, and even telling myself that art wasn't worth pursuing as a full time endeavor, that I would be better leaving it as a hobby and taking on a science to get the bills actually paid.

Well, here I am, years later, with only marginal improvement picked up from various books here and there, and lots of doodling in the margins of my CS textbooks. I'm pretty tired of it, and I've been trying for the longest time to get myself into the habit of regularly drawing. Each time I last for maybe two days, then I go back to my various timesinks that frankly at the end of they day mean nothing.

Now I've joined here and have been having a good time, and I saw Thanqol's thread. This, quite frankly, is amazing. I've been reading through it and have been blown away at the progress he's been making and all the great advice he's been given. I'm not here to take away from that, not in the least bit. I'm just glad to see that such a concept works and is working. I don't expect and I won't get offended if people don't give me critiques on my style and lack thereof, that's okay. What I am absolutely the most interested in is the accountability that this can be the motivation I need to sit my lazy flank down and DRAW SOMETHING. I don't ask for anyone to hold my hand through this - though all advice and help is defintely welcome - instead I do ask that I be given as hard a time as possible if I go a full day without posting something, anything :)

My goal on a day to day basis here, is to spend at least an hour drawing, and then post it. I don't really know how much or how big these will be, but I suppose that consistency can't be a bad thing, so I at least will try for this A4 size and see what happens. Subject-wise I'm not sure, I'm just going to wing it there too. Suggestions are fine, as I bet I'll be tapped for ideas initially.

My drawing ability I honestly can't tell you exactly where it lies. I'm largely self taught, with a few classes in the basics ages ago. I can draw one or two things pretty well, and everything else is a crapshoot. I can say that shading and perspective are concepts which elude me, and I seem to have a love affair with drawing things in profile as a result.

The end goal of this is to simply learn to draw better, and maybe someday I won't hate my own work as badly when I see it the next day. Maybe, if I'm really daring, I might try my hand at animating, which feels like a more distant goal than this one. We'll see, we'll see.

So, here goes nothing! Thanks for reading my wall of text :p

Elder Tsofu
2011-08-28, 03:08 PM
Thanks for reading my wall of text :p

No trouble, it even had paragraphs you know. Now go wild. :smallsmile:

Trixie
2011-08-28, 03:20 PM
This is totally not me just being too lazy to click 'subscribe' :smallcool:

Domochevsky
2011-08-28, 04:56 PM
Alright then... show us your moves. :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-28, 06:38 PM
No trouble, it even had paragraphs you know. Now go wild. :smallsmile:
Haha, I try to keep my tl;drs at least MARGINALLY legible. I even checked my spelling!


This is totally not me just being too lazy to click 'subscribe' :smallcool:
Fair enough! I never actually subscribe to anything either http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.jpg


Alright then... show us your moves. :smallwink:
Good idea!

I just went back and dug up some of my drawings from the last few months. I'll see if I can get something actually drawn tonight for a Day 0, but I'll start for real tomorrow evening when I get off from work.

Here goes... nothing? Spoiler'd for images and explanations:

First off, all of these are digital. My scanner hasn't worked in ages, but I have had access to tablets. Besides, I've found that I'm more likely to finish something when it's digital and I have the freedom to change things as much as I want or make save states. So here we go! Pictures are oldest to newest:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1838/kurai1.gif
This one is not quite a year and a half old. It's a character concept I've kicked around for a while, but haven't nailed down yet. Meh, it is what it is. Drawn on an HP tablet laptop, paint.net.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9010/meowthg.png
Got a job, got a wacom. This is the first thing I really did on it. Took a subject request on twitter, a friend said meowth so here you go. Thick lines are thick. Also wobbly.
Drawn on tablet, in photoshop elements, as are the rest.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3169/confound.png
This is shortly after I discovered the MLP:FiM craze, and sometime before I learned to go to bed instead of watching it at all hours.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4817/meowthyarn.png
Tablet test. Turns on that one friend is really quick on the draw. Also likes meowths.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/1282/heavynerfguy.png
More tablet tests. About an hour put into this, sadly.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7893/derptest4.png
oh sweet mercy it's pony fanart what have I become

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9471/10ku.png
Rather long comic I posted on twitter. Spent about a week working on this. It's cartoony and silly, but in all honesty is probably the best thing I've put out in about a year, and the best thing on my tablet to date.

And that's that for now! More to come...

SiuiS
2011-08-28, 07:03 PM
Neat! Good to see that something Thanqol wanted has come from his thread. Glad to have you aboard the SS Improvement, captain.

EDIT: also, I think I can actually start on critiquery!
The first example you gave, that really cool warforged looking thing? The composition (of the figure, not the picture, just as a CMA) looks like the body is just hanging from the head. The posture, the skinniness, they all point or a sort of hang.
Sadly, I can't make words that explain how to fix it happen... Except tryto build a better mental base for the posture, I guess. If you draw the whole thin with an idea of height and grounding, it will show through in the final product, despite being able to draw the floor wherever you want it.

One of my biggest fears as a kid. Someone would look at a drawing of a guy standing Capt. Morgan style, and accuse me of just drawing the ground up to his foot. I think I was fifteen before I realized he would only be standin like that of there were something for the foot to rest up on XD

Domochevsky
2011-08-28, 07:06 PM
...you're right, the last comic is indeed the best thing in that entire load. :smallbiggrin:

Still, you're already pretty far. Should allow for concrete help with things you'll draw up daily from now on. (And don't you worry, we'll nag you if you don't. :smallwink: )

Man, i probably should do something like this myself... but then again, there's GenGame. I'm pretty broke for any other ideas though.)

Thanqol
2011-08-28, 07:13 PM
Hey all, Ido here!

Now I've joined here and have been having a good time, and I saw Thanqol's thread. This, quite frankly, is amazing. I've been reading through it and have been blown away at the progress he's been making and all the great advice he's been given. I'm not here to take away from that, not in the least bit. I'm just glad to see that such a concept works and is working.

Such a concept does work. I actually originally broke my original laziness habit many, many months back by deciding to write a full length story and make it public, which would in turn make sure I finished it. It was like that story levelled me up or something because ever since I've been more productive than I've ever been in my life.


My goal on a day to day basis here, is to spend at least an hour drawing, and then post it. I don't really know how much or how big these will be, but I suppose that consistency can't be a bad thing, so I at least will try for this A4 size and see what happens. Subject-wise I'm not sure, I'm just going to wing it there too. Suggestions are fine, as I bet I'll be tapped for ideas initially.

My tips on this regard are to make it as easy for yourself as you possibly can. Make one rule: Draw one thing every day, regardless of quality or effort. Having the option to draw a bunch of scribbles and throw it up here is a great mental reassurance on days you're feeling mentally drained, and guilt at doing a bunch of shoddy pieces in a row will naturally urge you to recompense with a more detailed piece later.


My drawing ability I honestly can't tell you exactly where it lies. I'm largely self taught, with a few classes in the basics ages ago. I can draw one or two things pretty well, and everything else is a crapshoot. I can say that shading and perspective are concepts which elude me, and I seem to have a love affair with drawing things in profile as a result.

Shading and perspective are haaaaaaaard which is why they're absolutely worth learning!


The end goal of this is to simply learn to draw better, and maybe someday I won't hate my own work as badly when I see it the next day. Maybe, if I'm really daring, I might try my hand at animating, which feels like a more distant goal than this one. We'll see, we'll see.

So, here goes nothing! Thanks for reading my wall of text :p

A laudable goal, and one I shall be following with interest!

Here's my own personal tips and recommendations, born of my experience with the same project:

1) Try something new every day

Doesn't matter what, doesn't matter if it's a disaster, doesn't matter if you're just drawing a different style of hat to what you normally do. But take one step outside your comfort zone and see what it's like. Those moments of sitting down, saying to yourself "I've got no idea how to do this" and then fiddling with a bunch of random settings and features to try and figure out how to do it will teach you more than anything else.

2) Aim for the stars

Pick up ridiculously ambitious projects. Genres and styles of art you've never considered or contemplated before. Look at the stuff you consider to be impossibly good and see how close you can get to it. Even if you don't hit the mark, thinking about how to get there will help a lot.

3) Style is a trap

One of the things I'm focusing on is avoiding developing a style. I want to get broad competence in art in general so I can pick the right materials for the job, not to do what I know. I have a very clear idea of the style I want to one day emulate, and if I'd spent the past 100 days working entirely on that style I might be there/close by now through mimicry if nothing else, but I'd be a lot worse off overall. I only want to learn that style when it's a choice and not a trap.

4) Don't build a buffer

Those are bonus pictures, not a buffer. I'm actually two days ahead due to complexity.

And, as you asked for subject matter, have some challenges!

- Draw a picture using only various shades of yellow
- Draw an optical illusion
- Draw someone with Superman's body type
- Draw a rageface


Good luck! :smallbiggrin: STEALIN MAH IDEAS

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-29, 11:43 AM
Neat! Good to see that something Thanqol wanted has come from his thread. Glad to have you aboard the SS Improvement, captain.
Glad to be aboard![/salute]


EDIT: also, I think I can actually start on critiquery!
The first example you gave, that really cool warforged looking thing? The composition (of the figure, not the picture, just as a CMA) looks like the body is just hanging from the head. The posture, the skinniness, they all point or a sort of hang.
Sadly, I can't make words that explain how to fix it happen... Except tryto build a better mental base for the posture, I guess. If you draw the whole thin with an idea of height and grounding, it will show through in the final product, despite being able to draw the floor wherever you want it.

One of my biggest fears as a kid. Someone would look at a drawing of a guy standing Capt. Morgan style, and accuse me of just drawing the ground up to his foot. I think I was fifteen before I realized he would only be standin like that of there were something for the foot to rest up on XD
Hrmm, yeah you're right he does look kind of like that. Although... well haha, it's funny now I'm not sure if that's not how it's supposed to look. I did draw it from the head down though, that is the only part of its design that I have down solid. The rest... ehhh, well I know how it's supposed to work, but not how that would look as a finished product. But that's less important than how it's actually drawn, and probably another story for another thread haha. (Fun fact: I started working on this guy before I got into D&D, or had even heard of warforged. I was so increadibly happy to hear about them when I did, that's going to help me a lot if I try and port this guy into a D&D system, which knowing me I probably will.)



...you're right, the last comic is indeed the best thing in that entire load. :smallbiggrin:

Still, you're already pretty far. Should allow for concrete help with things you'll draw up daily from now on. (And don't you worry, we'll nag you if you don't. :smallwink: )

Man, i probably should do something like this myself... but then again, there's GenGame. I'm pretty broke for any other ideas though.)
Well thank you! That comic was pretty fun to draw :p A nice trip into the "heck, just be silly" side of things.

Yeah, I guess I feel like I do have some sort of a foundation already. It just, to me, feels rather shaky, and can certainly do with some reinforcing! Thanks for the nagging, haha!


Such a concept does work. I actually originally broke my original laziness habit many, many months back by deciding to write a full length story and make it public, which would in turn make sure I finished it. It was like that story levelled me up or something because ever since I've been more productive than I've ever been in my life.

My tips on this regard are to make it as easy for yourself as you possibly can. Make one rule: Draw one thing every day, regardless of quality or effort. Having the option to draw a bunch of scribbles and throw it up here is a great mental reassurance on days you're feeling mentally drained, and guilt at doing a bunch of shoddy pieces in a row will naturally urge you to recompense with a more detailed piece later.

Noted! That probably for the best, too. My creativity juices aren't so hot right now, so I foresee a few rough days before I get into the swing of it.



A laudable goal, and one I shall be following with interest!
You and me both!


Here's my own personal tips and recommendations, born of my experience with the same project:

1) Try something new every day

Doesn't matter what, doesn't matter if it's a disaster, doesn't matter if you're just drawing a different style of hat to what you normally do. But take one step outside your comfort zone and see what it's like. Those moments of sitting down, saying to yourself "I've got no idea how to do this" and then fiddling with a bunch of random settings and features to try and figure out how to do it will teach you more than anything else.

2) Aim for the stars

Pick up ridiculously ambitious projects. Genres and styles of art you've never considered or contemplated before. Look at the stuff you consider to be impossibly good and see how close you can get to it. Even if you don't hit the mark, thinking about how to get there will help a lot.

3) Style is a trap

One of the things I'm focusing on is avoiding developing a style. I want to get broad competence in art in general so I can pick the right materials for the job, not to do what I know. I have a very clear idea of the style I want to one day emulate, and if I'd spent the past 100 days working entirely on that style I might be there/close by now through mimicry if nothing else, but I'd be a lot worse off overall. I only want to learn that style when it's a choice and not a trap.

4) Don't build a buffer

Those are bonus pictures, not a buffer. I'm actually two days ahead due to complexity.

And, as you asked for subject matter, have some challenges!

- Draw a picture using only various shades of yellow
- Draw an optical illusion
- Draw someone with Superman's body type
- Draw a rageface


Good luck! :smallbiggrin: STEALIN MAH IDEAS
Good advice, all of it! Buh, I wish I could think of something more to say back, but thanks! It's a lot to take in, but I just have to take this one day at a time :)

Day 1 drawing to come tonight! I have to stay late at work this week, so this first week's going to be on the later side of things (East Coast time).

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-29, 08:25 PM
Here we are it's

Day 1 - The old standard

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5381/day1p.png

Quick note, I drew this at A4, 300dpi before remembering that's HUGE. So here it is resized to same dimensions but at 72dpi for more forum-friendly viewing.

This is a sort of benchmark drawing that seems to find itself in my sketchbooks time and time again over the years. Slight variations, but always the tree and the hill. I think, well it should be interesting when I decide to do this again later, which I know I'll end up doing at some point down the line.

Time spent: 1 hour, 10 minutes
Music: Equestria Radio (http://www.equestriaradio.com/)

Thanqol
2011-08-29, 08:38 PM
Amateur Advice Hour!

I do like the tree, and the scribble-leaves in concept, but I have concern with it's roots. The ground around it is perfectly flat and the tree doesn't really have much interaction with it. The tree and the ground around it should merge more, and spread out more, because it looks kinda top heavy and unsupported.

The base image is a wonderfully peaceful one and I look forwards to seeing future versions.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-30, 11:46 AM
Amateur Advice Hour!

I do like the tree, and the scribble-leaves in concept, but I have concern with it's roots. The ground around it is perfectly flat and the tree doesn't really have much interaction with it. The tree and the ground around it should merge more, and spread out more, because it looks kinda top heavy and unsupported.

The base image is a wonderfully peaceful one and I look forwards to seeing future versions.
Mmm yes, the scribble leaves are the only way that I can make leaves in black and white, without spending a year obsessively drawing every individual leaf.

The roots... yeah you're definitely right, it looks awful flat. Hrm... Good call on making it spread out, I never know how to draw the base >_>

leakingpen
2011-08-30, 11:49 AM
I love the android! the stuff you free drew of you at the computer, ect, is well done . The stuff where you are trying to copy is... enh. Try imagining the character, and then drawing it (thats more for the heavy then meowth, ) rather than looking at an image.

Ballsy thread! I'll keep my eye out for it, I like your cartooning style!

as for the tree and hill, the hidden foot is too long, (the unhidden part, obviously. ) and, the join between the torso looks weird. he looks like a torso sitting on a chair, cut off suddenly and stuck to reclining legs, rather than looking like a leanback. I have no idea how to fix it though, my own attempts look the same.

Zorg
2011-08-30, 03:05 PM
Day 1 - biggest issue is that the pose is physically impossible for a normal person to get into.
Basically if you have your hand (or wrist) in your knee you need to have the other arm straight to be supporting the body (see here (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-18966508/stock-photo-slender-blonde-model-sitting-on-ground-in-black-outfit.html)).

If the elbow is supporting the stomach should be just about horizontal, with the chest at 45 degrees or so, which I think means the legs are fractionally short.

The left arm looks a bit long. It could be the right length but need foreshortening to make it wrong so it looks right.

I can't draw leaves, so I can't comment on them, but the tree itself is very uniform in terms of angles and thicknesses etc.

That said, the hands are very good, and the linework and form is solid :smallsmile:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-30, 10:50 PM
I love the android! the stuff you free drew of you at the computer, ect, is well done . The stuff where you are trying to copy is... enh. Try imagining the character, and then drawing it (thats more for the heavy then meowth, ) rather than looking at an image.

Ballsy thread! I'll keep my eye out for it, I like your cartooning style!

as for the tree and hill, the hidden foot is too long, (the unhidden part, obviously. ) and, the join between the torso looks weird. he looks like a torso sitting on a chair, cut off suddenly and stuck to reclining legs, rather than looking like a leanback. I have no idea how to fix it though, my own attempts look the same.
Glad you like the android! He's fun to draw, I keep redoing it each time I draw it, haha. The head's about the same each time, though I think it gets smoother as I go... hmmm...

Yeah, the things that are supposed to *look* like something are always off for me. That's something I need to work on for sure, drawing something, and have that something be recognizable. Oh, also I had JUST got my tablet like the day before, so it was a bit wobblier than usual. Not much of an excuse, but at least vaguely reasonable? Still meh at the end of the day, so there you go!

Tree and hill guy, yeah good eye on the feet, that's all wonky. His pose though.. yeah he must have some wicked strong abs to pull that lean off comfortably >_>;;

Thanks for the advice! :)


Day 1 - biggest issue is that the pose is physically impossible for a normal person to get into.
Basically if you have your hand (or wrist) in your knee you need to have the other arm straight to be supporting the body (see here (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-18966508/stock-photo-slender-blonde-model-sitting-on-ground-in-black-outfit.html)).

If the elbow is supporting the stomach should be just about horizontal, with the chest at 45 degrees or so, which I think means the legs are fractionally short.

The left arm looks a bit long. It could be the right length but need foreshortening to make it wrong so it looks right.

I can't draw leaves, so I can't comment on them, but the tree itself is very uniform in terms of angles and thicknesses etc.

That said, the hands are very good, and the linework and form is solid :smallsmile:
Yeah, when I did up that pose I thought "Yeah, nailed it!" Then I finished and realized that nope, no I did not. Unless that guy's doing some sort of an ab workout or something, which I'm pretty sure he's not... Thanks so much for the reference picture though, I could NOT for the life of me figure how to place that right arm. Just went for it, and I missed :smallsigh:

Legs, yeah I probably always make legs on the squatty side when I make them, I'll stick it out and stretch them next time.

Left arm is TOTALLY too long, I was wondering if someone would say that ^^;; I wanted to cheat and lasso tool the arm shorter, but that wouldn't have been right. Plus I like that hand too much :smallbiggrin:

Pretty sure I can't draw leaves either, but it makes for an interesting effect at the least! Fills up the space better than an outline alone I like to think. Glad the trunk works! Trees are... surprisingly tricky to make look like trees. Thanks about the linework too! I tend to get sloppy if I'm not careful. Need to stay clean!

*****************************

Just got this down to the wire, but here we go!

Day 2 - Hand Jive

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6791/day2b.png

Drew my drawing hand, while drawing. We need to go deeper?

Time spent: 45 minutes
Tunes: Renard - Good To Know You'll Be There
Yes, that's how I hold a pencil and yeah, I'm aware that somebody out there is probably having an aneurism over it >_>

Thanqol
2011-08-31, 02:36 AM
Day 2 - Hand Jive

You've got the grip I started drawing with! I was told to break it and the process of doing so was the weirdest thing. It's well and truly gone by this point, happily.

Domochevsky
2011-08-31, 11:06 AM
...i have never seen this kind of grip before. How does that work for anything? :smalleek:

(Also, you're left handed? Peculiar.)

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-31, 11:59 AM
...i have never seen this kind of grip before. How does that work for anything? :smalleek:

(Also, you're left handed? Peculiar.)
It works pretty well, thank you! I rocked that grip in the first grade and my entire education, my parents, and dozens of teachers haven't been able to break me of it yet :smallamused:

I'm not totally sure how it works, it's one of those things where if I think about it the whole thing falls apart, hehe. Pretty much all the fingers are involved to some extent.

leakingpen
2011-08-31, 01:00 PM
if im piecing together how you hold the pencil correctly, the thumb is too long, probably too skinny as well. it looks like a shortened pointer.

the bottom line for the middle finger and the top line for the ring finger, to the left of the pen, look wrong. Looking at my own hand in that position, i can see how the ffingers bend behind the pen, and it looks like you probably have a steep curve of flesh down to the knuckle (holmesian says, you've lost a decent amount of weight in the last 6 months, or, youve lost a lot of weight in the past, and gained some of it back in the last six months.)

so the drawing is probably very photoaccurate in that regards, but it LOOKS wrong. I'd flatten the bottom line middle finger out, so it doesn't curve in, and id drop the top line for the ring finger down about as much as the pen cord is wide, so it looks less awkward.

Thanqol
2011-08-31, 06:38 PM
It works pretty well, thank you! I rocked that grip in the first grade and my entire education, my parents, and dozens of teachers haven't been able to break me of it yet :smallamused:

I'm not totally sure how it works, it's one of those things where if I think about it the whole thing falls apart, hehe. Pretty much all the fingers are involved to some extent.

Again, I held that grip for 21 years of my natural life and broke it at like day 6 of my thread. It was the weirdest thing but in retrospect I consider it worth it. It's easier to pull off than you might expect if you concentrate on it for a few days.

Here's (http://chiseledrocks.com/main/musings/topics/how_to_hold_the_pencil) the page that'll explain why.

TheAmishPirate
2011-08-31, 10:42 PM
Have to say Ido, after a day of wrestling with irritating thing after irritating thing, seeing this thread made my day. Keep at it, my good Captain, keep at it.

I'll be keeping an eye on this, although as a downright terrible artist myself, I'm not sure how much advice I'll be able to give. I'll mostly just sit in the back and offer the occasional "woo hoo!"

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-08-31, 10:56 PM
Today was a little crazy, so tonight's drawing is to help me tank up on some

Day 3 - Serenity

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3531/wp000077r.jpgPage 1, Ido makes a bad pun.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6669/wp000076h.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9713/wp000078g.jpgPage 2, people and objects.
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1119/wp000079y.jpg
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6656/wp000080h.jpgThis turned out pretty well! All the pieces actually got near each other, save the t-rex eating his arm bit there.
***BEFORE YOU UNSPOIL***
Quick rundown: tonight I had a video night scheduled with some friends, and so I decided to bring my sketchbook along for the ride and draw what I saw on the screen. Turns out it was a lot darker than I thought, so I decided to go with quick fast sketches for what was going on at the time RIGHT that instant, and see if I could draw it without being able to see the paper. Hand eye coordination, I guess you'd call it? Plus lots of interesting things to draw.

edit:SWEET GENIUS those pictures are huge! Erm. I'm sorry about that... Tonight I have also learned that I should find a way to resize my cameraphone shots, and my bb code-fu is subpar at the moment.....

Double edit for replies:

if im piecing together how you hold the pencil correctly, the thumb is too long, probably too skinny as well. it looks like a shortened pointer.

the bottom line for the middle finger and the top line for the ring finger, to the left of the pen, look wrong. Looking at my own hand in that position, i can see how the ffingers bend behind the pen, and it looks like you probably have a steep curve of flesh down to the knuckle (holmesian says, you've lost a decent amount of weight in the last 6 months, or, youve lost a lot of weight in the past, and gained some of it back in the last six months.)

so the drawing is probably very photoaccurate in that regards, but it LOOKS wrong. I'd flatten the bottom line middle finger out, so it doesn't curve in, and id drop the top line for the ring finger down about as much as the pen cord is wide, so it looks less awkward.
I'm pretty tired, but I agree with pretty much everything you said, so Ima say yes :smallsmile:


Again, I held that grip for 21 years of my natural life and broke it at like day 6 of my thread. It was the weirdest thing but in retrospect I consider it worth it. It's easier to pull off than you might expect if you concentrate on it for a few days.

Here's (http://chiseledrocks.com/main/musings/topics/how_to_hold_the_pencil) the page that'll explain why.
I'm pretty sure by this point in time, I'm using this grip (which, hilariously, looks kind of like an "inverted brush grip" from that site) less as a way to hold it, but more of a personal statement and a desire to draw well despite holding it in a rather bizarre way. It is interesting though, that that page does explain why I prefer to draw really small things, which is because my fingers go more or less all the way to the tip itself.


Have to say Ido, after a day of wrestling with irritating thing after irritating thing, seeing this thread made my day. Keep at it, my good Captain, keep at it.

I'll be keeping an eye on this, although as a downright terrible artist myself, I'm not sure how much advice I'll be able to give. I'll mostly just sit in the back and offer the occasional "woo hoo!"
Thanks! The more eyes that see this, the more badly I'll feel if I should ever unfortunately miss an update! Motivation, baybee :smallcool:

Thanqol
2011-08-31, 11:38 PM
edit:SWEET GENIUS those pictures are huge! Erm. I'm sorry about that... Tonight I have also learned that I should find a way to resize my cameraphone shots, and my bb code-fu is subpar at the moment.....

Upload the pictures to Imageshack and resize them to 800px. That's what I do, even though my base tablet canvas size is 2000+ px.


I'm pretty sure by this point in time, I'm using this grip (which, hilariously, looks kind of like an "inverted brush grip" from that site) less as a way to hold it, but more of a personal statement and a desire to draw well despite holding it in a rather bizarre way. It is interesting though, that that page does explain why I prefer to draw really small things, which is because my fingers go more or less all the way to the tip itself.

I dunno, man, seems like pride/excuses rather than an informed opinion. Part of this whole improvement thing is breaking habits that are holding you back.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-01, 10:15 PM
Bluh, WOW I'm exhausted today. I literally could not stop yawning as I drew this.

Day 4 - A little perspective
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/336/day4p.png
Going to be honest, I had an idea, but I couldn't even get the rough sketch working out tonight. So, I'm going to get a good night's sleep and try that again tomorrow! Once a sketch idea gets in my head, I can't not draw it.

So instead of just doing random crap doodles, I dragged out my little pose man and had him strike a funny pose. Without attempting to shade him, it makes the perspective... difficult :smallconfused: I also left in my sketch layer, because why not, let's live a little on the edge. I tried to erase as little as possible, except the one time I totally redid his right arm, because it was thicker than his waist on the first try, and that seemed off for some reason.

So on tomorrow's docket, just planning ahead: get that picture in my head onto paper, repost Day 3 into screen-friendly sizes, and also draw earlier so I'm not sleepy, because it's not nearly as productive as I'd imagine, and being tired is no excuse to do a bad job -especially when it's preventable by showing a little self control and going to bed on time!

Gnight everybody!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-02, 08:48 PM
Day 5 - Let's Draw While Awake Shall We

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4840/day5a.png
Time spent: 1 hour
Music: Actually no music this time for a change.

Big lizards have always been a favorite of mine ^^;;


Upload the pictures to Imageshack and resize them to 800px. That's what I do, even though my base tablet canvas size is 2000+ px.Yeah, that would have made sense, wouldn't it? I'll take care of that soon, so people can actually... see them. Not that there's much to see admittedly, haha.



I dunno, man, seems like pride/excuses rather than an informed opinion. Part of this whole improvement thing is breaking habits that are holding you back.
Oh it's definitely me being stubborn. I want to learn, but (and this is just a personal thing) I see my weird grip as something that is uniquely me, and that I've gotten this far with this grip... well, I want to see if I can't go even further despite my lovecraftian style. It's not like I don't ever NOT use it, I do change it up from time to time when the need arises, but it's my primary grip, it's me, and I want to see how far I can run with it.

And heck, it's only day 5 for me, plenty of time to change and adapt down the road should I ever DO hit a wall that requires that specific change. Everything else is absolutely fluid and changeable, it's all just head knowledge and style. This, it just feels like something different, if you'll let me have this one thing for now :smallsmile:

Thanqol
2011-09-02, 09:04 PM
Day 5 - Let's Draw While Awake Shall We

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4840/day5a.png
Time spent: 1 hour
Music: Actually no music this time for a change.

Big lizards have always been a favorite of mine ^^;;

Giant lizards! I love giant lizards! Nice design, don't go into overdetail, but I think the tail should go on longer and there seems to be a stray line there.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-02, 09:07 PM
Yeah the tail... I couldn't convince myself that the tail didn't end somewhere behind the wing. I tried it several different ways, and it always ended up looking awkward and wispy. Now it's just... awkward and stubby?

I really should have just done it from a different angle, I think...

edit: giant lizards! I have sketchbooks full of crappily drawn giant lizards/dragons/dinosaurs http://i.imgur.com/6ZURl.jpg

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-03, 03:32 PM
Taking a suggestion for something to draw today. Anyone got anything?

Thanqol
2011-09-03, 09:34 PM
Taking a suggestion for something to draw today. Anyone got anything?

Oh! My characters! [/shameless]

Domochevsky
2011-09-03, 10:09 PM
Oh! My characters! [/shameless]

Hey, if we're gonna go for shameless: try GenGame characters, both of you. (Or better yet, all three of you, Trazoi included.) :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-04, 12:14 AM
Look I'm ALL about shameless suggestions! Anything that gives me ideas of what to draw is a good thing in my opinion :smallbiggrin:

That being said, yall were TOO SLOW and Trixie got to me first, so tonight's drawing is...

Day 6 - Floofy
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3346/day6k.png

the great and powerful alt version: http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/236/day6tgpt.png


Time spent: A bit more than hour, I forgot to use the timer today >_>
Music Listened: Mostly Vitamin String Quartet (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vitamin+string+quartet)
References: These (http://lwiastrona.ovh.org/irbis.jpg) guys (http://najmilsze-koty.socjum.pl/_/spolecznosci/najmilsze-koty/blog/nff31a9a24a6daced332db784f0b409e1.jpg) here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Lightmatter_snowleopard.jpg).

...an Irbis! Which is Russian for snow leopard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Leopard), which is what I am marking down as the thing I learned today. Hey, it actually turned out a LOT better than what I expected. Using a reference really helped 0_o I had a pose in mind when I started it, but in the end the reference really influenced the exact pose, which wasn't a bad thing? Animals be hard to draw, yo.

So! Thanq and Domo don't I'll be throwing your ideas into the queue and we'll see how badly I butcher your works! http://i.imgur.com/jaolo.jpg

Thanqol
2011-09-04, 12:40 AM
So! Thanq and Domo don't I'll be throwing your ideas into the queue and we'll see how badly I butcher your works! http://i.imgur.com/jaolo.jpg

Yeah, I was about 6 hours late to the party. Overall this one's pretty cool. I like your pine tree design, pose has feel.

Also, this was Day 34 for me, so I'm not entirely afraid of you butcherin' my works worse than I already have :smallwink:

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2996/day34b.jpg

leakingpen
2011-09-04, 10:59 AM
Nice. I dig the background, the trees, ect. The front arms though... the shoulders look like human shoulders, not a cat.

SiuiS
2011-09-04, 06:05 PM
You've got the grip I started drawing with! I was told to break it and the process of doing so was the weirdest thing. It's well and truly gone by this point, happily.

Ok, Ok. Fine. I will actually try and change up my grip for one that doesn't destroy my livelihood.

Cap'n, your work is commendable. I enjoy your cartoony style. Keep up the good work until you accidentally do something bad enough that I am qualified to comment on it :smallwink:

Thanqol
2011-09-04, 10:06 PM
Ok, Ok. Fine. I will actually try and change up my grip for one that doesn't destroy my livelihood.

It'll be impossibly weird for about a week, but try not to regress because it's easier. Once you've adjusted it seems pretty permanent.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-05, 01:42 AM
Day 7 - Blarrrgh

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3318/day7l.png
Alright! Well I was out for most of today, so it was a bit of a scramble to get this one in. Sorry about the blank flank there, Thanq, thanks to the inherently small avi size, I couldn't make out what I was supposed to put there >_>

I've actually been working on this for the last hour and a half, however I'm also in the middle of trying my hand at some coloring! However, it's almost 3 in the morning, so I'm posting the lineart tonight (since that was fun doing!) and I'll do the colors as a later project. Actually probably tomorrow, depending on how things are going. I'm going to be out all of tomorrow evening, so we'll see when something ends up getting posted.

So here's the lineart, in any case?

Thanqol
2011-09-05, 01:50 AM
Day 7 - Blarrrgh

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3318/day7l.png
Alright! Well I was out for most of today, so it was a bit of a scramble to get this one in. Sorry about the blank flank there, Thanq, thanks to the inherently small avi size, I couldn't make out what I was supposed to put there >_>

I've actually been working on this for the last hour and a half, however I'm also in the middle of trying my hand at some coloring! However, it's almost 3 in the morning, so I'm posting the lineart tonight (since that was fun doing!) and I'll do the colors as a later project. Actually probably tomorrow, depending on how things are going. I'm going to be out all of tomorrow evening, so we'll see when something ends up getting posted.

So here's the lineart, in any case?

Shape of the mask isn't quite right, it looks kinda like a damp sock. Extend it out a bit and make it more angular and smoother. Remember, the line goes down the centre of the mask like (http://thanqol.deviantart.com/#/d30902z) so (http://kojiro.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3g3cyk).

You can actually get a surprising amount of emotion and expression out of that mask through variating where the hood falls, how big the eyes are, how thick the lines around the eyes are and the angle. I'm doing today's piece on that so check my thread in an hour or two :smallsmile: :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-05, 03:30 PM
Funny story, I was about to post and say that circumstances wouldn't permit me to post regularly today, when literally as I was typing up this post, I got a text saying that circumstances have been moved back and hour and a half.

So nevermind, carry on! Nothing to see here. Actually, there will be something to see here, and this post is more or less extraneous. See yall in an hour or so!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-05, 05:05 PM
Shape of the mask isn't quite right, it looks kinda like a damp sock. Extend it out a bit and make it more angular and smoother. Remember, the line goes down the centre of the mask like (http://thanqol.deviantart.com/#/d30902z) so (http://kojiro.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3g3cyk).

Yeah, "damp sock" really is the way to put it, isn't it? Haha, oh well! Thanks for the other references, a teeny avatar, as it turns out, isn't much to go on ^^;;

With those recommendations, and my dissatisfaction with yesterday, today we've got

Day 8 - Blarrrgh 2: Electric Boogaloo

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8461/day8u.png

3/4 perspective is hard. It's disconcerting to make everything slightly different sizes...

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-06, 11:17 PM
So I feel pretty bad about not replying to anyone the last few days but FOR REALSIES I promise that I'll find the time tomorrow and get those taken care of, even with the intent to actually go and post in the rest of your draw threads as well that I'm seeing start to pop up :)

Man, tell you what though, the threat of what might happen if I don't post have definitely been getting me to do these instead of bum off a sorry excuse or a sorrier doodle drawing :smalleek:

Today's drawing is request number two from Trixie, which was to draw the Sniper from TF2

Day 9 - comma+8
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2577/day9.png
Time spent: 50 minutes, give or take. I should get a timer proper...
Music: This album (http://generalmumble.bandcamp.com/album/clop-3) twice through. (Courtesy AmishPirate for the link)
References: This (http://www.ubercharged.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/offtokillthesniper.jpg)and that (http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/271/6/e/TF2_Sniper_Thanks_by_The_Loiterer.jpg)

... Okay wow, this turned out WORLDS better than I thought it would. Like, I finished it, and my face was the sniper's in the first ref picture. So it's crazy sketchy and messy, but the fact that this actually sort of resembles what I set out to do is rather astounding. I don't know what happened people, but I'm pretty sure I'm never drawing without a reference of some sort again.

Here's the actual sketch layer, for kicks and giggles. The temptation to just post this and call it a day was pretty big, not going to lie:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8949/day9sketch.png
That's definitely a problem for me, finishing a piece. I get to a point where I can see what I see in my mind if I squint, and I call it good enough. Thing is it's not :smallmad:

Domochevsky
2011-09-07, 12:26 AM
Good sniper, if kinda blank. :smallwink:

(Also, no GenGame related art? Shame on you!)

Thanqol
2011-09-07, 02:59 AM
Day 9 - comma+8

Ha! Cool! Though, thing is, that expression of shock would be vastly more potent if his body language reflected it somehow. Usually you freeze with shock when you see something unexpected, which means that a lot of the time you're just glancing a little off to the side or are doing something regular with your hands and then just sort of freeze up in the process of it.

And yes, you've got a point that it's easy to not finish drawings. I frequently get the idea that 'no, the lineart's good enough, you shouldn't go on to colour and thereby wreck it'. Problem is, without that I ain't gonna learn colour.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-07, 06:07 PM
Good sniper, if kinda blank. :smallwink:

(Also, no GenGame related art? Shame on you!)
Whoa hey, gimme a break! I'm not forgetting you yet. In fact... if you wait a little bit....


Ha! Cool! Though, thing is, that expression of shock would be vastly more potent if his body language reflected it somehow. Usually you freeze with shock when you see something unexpected, which means that a lot of the time you're just glancing a little off to the side or are doing something regular with your hands and then just sort of freeze up in the process of it.

And yes, you've got a point that it's easy to not finish drawings. I frequently get the idea that 'no, the lineart's good enough, you shouldn't go on to colour and thereby wreck it'. Problem is, without that I ain't gonna learn colour.
Haha, any resemblance to a shocked expression is entirely coincidental. I didn't have it in me to give him an expression proper, so I just left it more or less blank. Actually, his sketch looks almost remorseful. Weird :smallconfused: You know what though, this would be a fun face to try out expressions with, so you might just see a shocked one eventually! *scheming...*

Day 10 - Sketchy Excuses
Okay! So! As it turns out, today is the first day of a new campaign for me, and we scheduled it SUPER CRAZY EARLY and has the potential to run late. Not going to let that stop me, so I took the only amount of time I did know that I have and pumped this out. I really would like to finish this, but this is all I had time for. If I get back before 11 I'll see if I can make that happen. If not, more time tomorrow!
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5155/day10preview.png
Time spent: 30 minutes
Music: (If You're Wondering If I Want You To) I Want You To, Weezer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDIzMGh94vo)

Thanqol
2011-09-07, 06:39 PM
I approve of chicks wearing ties. Nice design on chickenbot.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-08, 02:09 PM
Thanks! I'd take credit, but that belongs to the GenGame crew :p

That being said, the Rogue (chickenbot) is fun to fiddle with. I'm going to clean this up tonight when I get off work :)

Domochevsky
2011-09-08, 06:56 PM
Thanks! I'd take credit, but that belongs to the GenGame crew :p

That being said, the Rogue (chickenbot) is fun to fiddle with. I'm going to clean this up tonight when I get off work :)

I continue to look forward to it. :smallbiggrin: (Kinda reminds me of my own early drawings of these characters. >_> )

Fri
2011-09-08, 08:46 PM
From your current drawings, I only have one advice for you, an advice I gave to thanqol back then too.

When you draw/sketch, don't use multiple short lines. It's one of the worst thing you could do while drawing. Basically it will make your drawings looks 'furry.'

Draw longer lines instead. Don't feel defeated when the lines aren't straight or go to where you want them to, just draw another line on top of them. Take a note on good sketches example, you might notice that they indeed draw multiple lines over and over to make shapes, but the lines are long and 'shape-making'.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-08, 10:17 PM
From your current drawings, I only have one advice for you, an advice I gave to thanqol back then too.

When you draw/sketch, don't use multiple short lines. It's one of the worst thing you could do while drawing. Basically it will make your drawings looks 'furry.'

Draw longer lines instead. Don't feel defeated when the lines aren't straight or go to where you want them to, just draw another line on top of them. Take a note on good sketches example, you might notice that they indeed draw multiple lines over and over to make shapes, but the lines are long and 'shape-making'.

Thanks for the tip! Yeah... my art is pretty furry when I'm not paying attention isn't it? The snow leopard doesn't count though, I was trying for that though :smallbiggrin:

With that in mind, here's

Day 11 - Cutting out the fluff (+1 action)
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9797/day11o.png
It's the finished GenGame picture from yesterday! Now with 100% finished! I did try for the longer strokes. Also there is ever so slightly some perspective practice, so this isn't as flat as it felt yesterday, with some luck.

Incidentally, I've been playing a lot of Spy in TF2 lately.

Domochevsky
2011-09-09, 02:36 AM
Pretty solid, but i can't help but notice that the ROGUE doesn't have a gun. :smallwink: (Must be a scout or something.)

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-09, 09:38 AM
Pretty solid, but i can't help but notice that the ROGUE doesn't have a gun. :smallwink: (Must be a scout or something.)
Yeah... a scout... I uh er YES! It is a scout model! Definitely :smallsmile:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-10, 01:18 AM
Day 12 - Sketchpage
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/870/day12p.png

Today's is simply me filling as much of an A4 sheet as I could with warmup style sketches (and no erasing!) until my eyes hurt too much from looking at the screen to continue. Not really anything coherent for a single piece tonight, but tomorrow I'm going to try and spend 2 hours on a single piece if I can wrestle that time for myself.

Stream of conscious drawing sure is random... feel free to use this to try and psychoanalyze me.

Thanqol
2011-09-10, 01:44 AM
Stream of conscious drawing sure is random... feel free to use this to try and psychoanalyze me.

You owe me, like, your car for not making a yo momma joke here.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-10, 10:06 PM
You owe me, like, your car for not making a yo momma joke here.
That's fair I suppose, here I'll send it right over.

Awe jyeah, doing a drawing before midnight oh snaaaaaaap!
Day 13 - Ido Doesn't Actually Own a Car
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5293/day13.png
Time spent: 40 minutes.
Music listened: Pony Swag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HZp4ClFXY)
Reference: link (http://www.automation-drive.com/EX/05-14-11/Muscles-Arm.jpg)

Inaccurate descriptions aside, last night's doodlefest has gotten me itching to get my anatomy down right. This week I have decided is anatomy week SO SHALL IT BE WRITTEN SO SHALL IT BE DONE!

I'm not too happy about not spending a full hour on this, but I got to this point (clean lineart after a few layers of sketch buildup to get the shape) I just couldn't put the pencil to paper anymore. I've figured in the past that sometimes the fun just ends early. That said, it feels a bit off, only I can't place what exactly is off =S That's what this is all about though! Practice practice practice. See yall tomorrow. Taking requests on limbs! Wait is he joking LETS FIND OUT.

SiuiS
2011-09-11, 02:55 AM
The fingers are too small in this one. In anatomical position, the middle finger should also extend past the fore- and ring-fingers. The hand and thumb look boss; I suspect you just ran out of room on the canvas or on the tablet, like how writing gets smaller the closer you get to the margins :smallbiggrin:.

Actually, looking at it you've got two different sizes here. The arm (bicep, forearm) and fingers are both the same size, while the torso, palm and thumb are a different, bigger size.
I'm not sure, but I think it stems from using the scribe's grip while drawing. You develop a habit of drawing things all in the same scale (or a least I did) and if you try to draw out of that scale, you need crazy focus to not slip back into it and do whatever you're working on now in your usual size. In this case I'd guess the torso, thumb and palm were what you worked on while the arm and base finger design you did easily, aye?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-12, 12:23 AM
The fingers are too small in this one. In anatomical position, the middle finger should also extend past the fore- and ring-fingers. The hand and thumb look boss; I suspect you just ran out of room on the canvas or on the tablet, like how writing gets smaller the closer you get to the margins :smallbiggrin:.

Actually, looking at it you've got two different sizes here. The arm (bicep, forearm) and fingers are both the same size, while the torso, palm and thumb are a different, bigger size.
I'm not sure, but I think it stems from using the scribe's grip while drawing. You develop a habit of drawing things all in the same scale (or a least I did) and if you try to draw out of that scale, you need crazy focus to not slip back into it and do whatever you're working on now in your usual size. In this case I'd guess the torso, thumb and palm were what you worked on while the arm and base finger design you did easily, aye?
Haha, I absolutely ran out of space on the canvas ^^;; I could always have just made it larger, but I decided to stick to the strict confines of the A4 size so that I'll learn to work better within the space I *do* have. Infinite canvas is nice, but I do need to work on framing my space as well.

Trying to make heads of the second paragraph though. I think you're saying that I've got two different sets of proportions going on? Like the arm and fingers exist in one proportional scale, and the palm, thumb, and torso are in a second? http://i.imgur.com/1aYkh.jpg Pardon me for not getting you right away, it's pretty late on my end and I think I used up all my Comprehend English allotments for the day...

Speaking of which guys, there will be NO post tonight. I know, I know, I bring shame to family. BUT! I feel like I have a pretty top tier excuse for today, and that is I unintentionally spent the afternoon and evening exploring my OTHER much neglected ability, and that is writing. As some of you know from elsewhere, I'm starting a new D&D campaign this week, and I've got a specific backstory in mind for my character, however it's going to require some shenanigans to make work with a DM who said he's like to stick to 3.5e core if at all possible. I sat down to write him up a sample backstory, and when I snapped to it was six hours later and I'm exhausted :smalleek: Seriously, it was five pages and over 2200 wordcount. How did this happen?

I'm actually pretty pleased with how it turned out. If you like you can check it out (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11830181&postcount=1037), though warning: pony exposure.

So that's my sad tale. It's now too late for me to put the proper effort into drawing and also get anything resembling sleep for work tomorrow. I feel pretty bad about that, even though I feel good about what wrote. I promise I'll spend some extra time and love on my sketch tomorrow, if that's okay with everyone!

Thanqol
2011-09-12, 06:15 AM
No art? Boo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8whn597qTY&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL914257250F2EDC56)!

Better be something tomorrow or I'll have to get the fire ants. :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-12, 11:23 PM
Put the fire ants away, it's time for the arts!

Day 15 - Minus One
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2827/day15.png
Time spent: 1 hour 15 minutes

So I bunkered down and found SIX different anatomy models to draw off of some parts that have historically been problem areas that annoy me. The dimensions of the canvas are a bit different looking, I cranked up the resolution on an A4 and then cropped the whitespace. Anywho, here we go, fix different parts with six different focus areas. Hope this somewhat makes up for missing yesterday :smallredface:

(Also, here's the one where I forgot to hide my sketch layers before saving to png, because I hosted it I may as well posted it:)
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5553/day15sketch.png

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-13, 10:49 PM
Hoorayyy, a post before midnight! I get to sleep tonight /)^3^(\ All the same, I have a feeling that tonight's is going to be... instructive. Tonight marks my first real shot at drawing... a face that actually belongs to someone :smalleek:

Day 16 - Rolled a Six
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2751/day16.png
Time: 40 minutes
Music: Equestria Radio (http://www.equestriaradio.com/) (again)
Reference: This guy's mug (http://cdn03.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/academy-awards-oscar-men-2009-red-carpet-photos-02232009-30-820x1079.jpg).

Well... I dunno, I think it turned out alright? He looks about fifty years older though. I tried my durndest on putting everything in the right place with proportions. Also tried to avoid my furrylines, the lines SHOULD be longer. Dat hair...Did I end up drawing Ronald Regan instead? >_>;;

Sketch layer for comparison:
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7638/day16sketch1.png

Zorg
2011-09-14, 02:46 PM
Part of the age increase is due to lack of shading maybe? The pic he's doing that laught thing where you push your head back and straighten the neck up. That shortens the neck giving the visual cue that he's wrinkling his face due to that more than just having wrinkles.

Adding shading would give more texture to teh whole pic and reduce the obviousness of teh lines.

With lineart sometimes less is more - wrinkles around the eyes show age, so often better to leave them off or thin them out even when they should be there. See my drawing thread where I've done quite a few faces similar - one or two lines can change a picture dramatically.


Re Minus 1 - the hand in a fist is a bit off. The line from inside knuckle is too long. The palm should be visible, especially at the base of the thumb.

Somewhat incoherent post as I am really sick - hope it makes sense :smallsmile:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-15, 12:15 AM
A brief pause from anatomy week for a day to allow me to take a little step back, get a little

Day 17 - Perspective
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7317/day17.png
Time: 20 minutes
Music: Just what's stuck in my head.

Bookfort in 2 point perspective. Nothing too fancy, but still some good solid practice in here. Straight lines are tricky when I'm tired and hold the stylus wrong.

Tomorrow resumes me talking back to people's wonderful suggestions that honestly are helping out, I just need to get back my time to draw earlier in the day. mutter mutter video games...

Actually today's reason I'm up late is strictly D&D reasons, so I count that as acceptable. Other days not so much though.

Hey now that I'm thinking about it, how's my line thickness? I know that tends to be a style thing, but do folks thing I'm making them *too* thick? What seems to be a happy medium?

Thanqol
2011-09-15, 12:58 AM
Hey now that I'm thinking about it, how's my line thickness? I know that tends to be a style thing, but do folks thing I'm making them *too* thick? What seems to be a happy medium?

For line thickness, I personally draw in 2000x2000+ px and 2.6 sized pen for my linework. I've got no information if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I think a bigger problem with your linework is that it's not particularly smooth, you can still see wobbles and overruns with it. Draw from the elbow, it makes lines so much smoother.

That said, that book fort? Pretty cool.

SiuiS
2011-09-15, 03:45 AM
Trying to make heads of the second paragraph though. I think you're saying that I've got two different sets of proportions going on? Like the arm and fingers exist in one proportional scale, and the palm, thumb, and torso are in a second? http://i.imgur.com/1aYkh.jpg Pardon me for not getting you right away, it's pretty late on my end and I think I used up all my Comprehend English allotments for the day...

XD
YES, that is what I was trying to say.


I'm actually pretty pleased with how it turned out. If you like you can check it out (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11830181&postcount=1037), though warning: pony exposure.

So that's my sad tale. It's now too late for me to put the proper effort into drawing and also get anything resembling sleep for work tomorrow. I feel pretty bad about that, even though I feel good about what wrote. I promise I'll spend some extra time and love on my sketch tomorrow, if that's okay with everyone!

Better hope your DM doesn't care about arts & crafts, or decide to randomly check Capt. Ido Nos most recent posts. This here? This is a neon sign saying you're premeditating stuff for his campaign http://www.electricsamurai.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif.

Saeyan
2011-09-15, 08:40 AM
Book fort is well done, though a ruler (placed on your tablet surface if your painting package didn't have that tool) would have made it even better.

Frankly, at this stage, line thickness is not a key issue. But remember that line - quality and weight - is an element of design just as important as color or shape. The line on the man's portrait draws my attention to where I shouldn't be looking.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-16, 12:10 AM
For line thickness, I personally draw in 2000x2000+ px and 2.6 sized pen for my linework. I've got no information if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I think a bigger problem with your linework is that it's not particularly smooth, you can still see wobbles and overruns with it. Draw from the elbow, it makes lines so much smoother.

That said, that book fort? Pretty cool.
What program are you working with? Because I'm curious to see what kind of units that 2.6 stands for. I've been working on A4 size at 300 ppi resolution, which I then save for here at 72 to make it easier to view.

Totally right though, my lineart is in no way smooth by any stretch of the imagination. Drawing from the elbow sounds interesting, if not a bit tiring. Do you mean like use my elbow as a pivot for my forearm and just keep my hand steady as it moves?

Bookfort was pretty fun, this might be a good benchmark drawing to come back to.




XD
YES, that is what I was trying to say.

Better hope your DM doesn't care about arts & crafts, or decide to randomly check Capt. Ido Nos most recent posts. This here? This is a neon sign saying you're premeditating stuff for his campaign http://www.electricsamurai.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif.

Haha, I'm glad I followed you! I think... well if he ever decides to read my specific stuff I'm hosed of course, but I feel like I'm pretty safe down here in the A&C boards? Fingers crossed of course.


Book fort is well done, though a ruler (placed on your tablet surface if your painting package didn't have that tool) would have made it even better.

Frankly, at this stage, line thickness is not a key issue. But remember that line - quality and weight - is an element of design just as important as color or shape. The line on the man's portrait draws my attention to where I shouldn't be looking.
Derp, I ALWAYS forget that I'm allowed to use a straight edge when I'm drawing straight edges =S

Well that's a bit of a relief still about the line weight. I'll keep playing around with it as the mood hits I suppose. The man's portrait... man you wouldn't believe as how many more lines I DIDN'T put in. I just kept wanting to draw out every little detail I saw... apparently... even less next time, got it!

And I know that it wasn't directed at me specifically, but I really did like that little comic on perspective that you posted in Thanqol's drawthread. Very informative! It's in my saved box now.

******************

Hey Ido, I thought you were going to post earlier today? What gives? Whatever were you doin-

Day 18 - 1.8
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1580/day18.png
... ah, I see then.

Time spent: 25 minutes.
Tunes: Minecraft Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkibXv84WU)

Sometimes, no matter what I'm trying to draw, I get another idea that's even stronger, so I just gotta roll with it.

Thanqol
2011-09-16, 04:37 AM
What program are you working with? Because I'm curious to see what kind of units that 2.6 stands for. I've been working on A4 size at 300 ppi resolution, which I then save for here at 72 to make it easier to view.

Totally right though, my lineart is in no way smooth by any stretch of the imagination. Drawing from the elbow sounds interesting, if not a bit tiring. Do you mean like use my elbow as a pivot for my forearm and just keep my hand steady as it moves?

Bookfort was pretty fun, this might be a good benchmark drawing to come back to.

I use Corel Painter Essentials, at 150 pixels per inch (I've got no idea what that number means, I got it by doubling the base level).

"Tiring" is not a word I'd use to describe drawing from the elbow. Tiring is doing complicated cross-hatching with your wrist. Drawing from the elbow gives you big effects with a small number of sweeping gestures. Keep your hand still and move your entire arm. Gives you long, smooth, straight lines. It might take a few tries to get the line perfect, but I've found it's less difficult than I thought it'd be.


Well that's a bit of a relief still about the line weight. I'll keep playing around with it as the mood hits I suppose. The man's portrait... man you wouldn't believe as how many more lines I DIDN'T put in. I just kept wanting to draw out every little detail I saw... apparently... even less next time, got it!

My biggest flaw going into this drawing project thing was that I overdetailed everything I ever did to a ridiculous degree. I don't know if I've kicked the habit, but it's something I've been working on.



Hey Ido, I thought you were going to post earlier today? What gives? Whatever were you doin-

Day 18 - 1.8

Sometimes, no matter what I'm trying to draw, I get another idea that's even stronger, so I just gotta roll with it.

Nice action in this one, it feels like it's in motion. Only nitpick is I can't read his expression, the faint curved line under one eye makes him look almost scared.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-16, 11:53 PM
Due to technical issues and a faltering state of consciousness, Day 20 is being posted tomorrow after its been resolved :smallsigh:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-19, 10:37 PM
WHELP. I got the issue fixed but then never got around to posting... for three days... http://i.imgur.com/BsGGR.jpg

That sucks, but I have decided how I'm going to make that up (something that WILL happen!) and that is going to be to repeat what I've done tonight each day this week as additional practice.

Day 19 - Fast poses
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8182/day19.png
Time spent: technically 12 minutes of pure drawing time, but 30 minutes total.
Music: This (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9FA659C927373138)playlist on random.

Alright, I found this neat website that has this massive bank of poses, and someone has built an application that pulls these poses at random, and gives you a very short time limit to draw these out before a new picture is switched in. I'm counting up 24 different poses up there, so with the 30 second time limit they recommended I guess that's twelve rounds. I had a little break here and there when they gave me a really weird pose so that I could switch in a clean layer. After I was done I moved everything around a bit so that it'd fit my page better - I was drawing only five or so on the whole page at a time before hiding that layer and making a new one for space. Also, I made an increased effort as I went on to not lift up my stylus and get the flow of the pose the best I could, hopefully the bottom half of this page is less fluffy than the top.

So here's what's going to happen. This felt like an amazing exercise, no question. Since I feel bad about missing the last three days, I'm going to "punish" myself by making me do this exercise every day this week in addition to my regular drawing. Who knows, maybe this'll be a regular thing and I might learn something out of it too?


*********


I use Corel Painter Essentials, at 150 pixels per inch (I've got no idea what that number means, I got it by doubling the base level).
Ah okay! That mostly tells me what I wanted :) ppi is literally your resolution, how many pixels of the image will be in a square inch.


"Tiring" is not a word I'd use to describe drawing from the elbow. Tiring is doing complicated cross-hatching with your wrist. Drawing from the elbow gives you big effects with a small number of sweeping gestures. Keep your hand still and move your entire arm. Gives you long, smooth, straight lines. It might take a few tries to get the line perfect, but I've found it's less difficult than I thought it'd be.
Hmm... that does seem to get me straighter lines... I feel like I have a lot less control over the lines though. They go nice and straight, but they don't end where I want them to :\



My biggest flaw going into this drawing project thing was that I overdetailed everything I ever did to a ridiculous degree. I don't know if I've kicked the habit, but it's something I've been working on.
I want to line EVERYTHING. I feel sometimes like I don't actually draw, but instead I'm sculpting with whitespace, and THAT isn't really the way to go, I know that much.


Nice action in this one, it feels like it's in motion. Only nitpick is I can't read his expression, the faint curved line under one eye makes him look almost scared.
Yeah, I really could have stood to clean up that face. Actually thinking back, I bet that I meant to, but forgot and posted it after I finished a different part. Intentions mean nothing when I don't carry though though -_-"

Trazoi
2011-09-19, 11:44 PM
Day 19 - Fast poses
Neat exercise! What's the website?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-19, 11:53 PM
Posemaniacs! I found it through someone I follow on dA. Here's the site :D (http://www.posemaniacs.com/?pagename=thirtysecond)

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-21, 12:11 AM
Wow, of course the day I try and draw early life throws a bunch of Events at me.

Alright, today is a super sketchy day, but I still feel pretty good about it, I think. Layout practice and more poses, even though it looks pretty sloppy.

Day 20 - Mixer (preview)
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4104/day20preview.png

Also my daily poses dealy:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3264/day20poses.png

Thanqol
2011-09-21, 12:22 AM
Wow, of course the day I try and draw early life throws a bunch of Events at me.

Alright, today is a super sketchy day, but I still feel pretty good about it, I think. Layout practice and more poses, even though it looks pretty sloppy.

Day 20 - Mixer (preview)
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4104/day20preview.png

Dialogue:
p1:
Thanqol: "So welcome to the drawing club, Ido! It's a road to eternal improvement!"
Ido: "Thanks! So what's your secret?"
p2:
Thanqol: "Why, it's simple! First off, I find my favourite artists. Then I kidnap them and inject their blood directly into my own veins. The progress is astounding!"
p3:
Ido: "Haha, you're such a joker Thanqol. Besides, wouldn't you have a negative reaction to different peoples' blood?"
p4:
Thanqol: "Wait, that's a thing? Damn. I think I should go see a doctor."
p5:
o_o

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-22, 12:37 AM
I wish I had more time on the front end of my evenings so I wouldn't have to stay up so late practicing http://i.imgur.com/twJKI.jpg

Day 21 - Next verse, same as the first
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9165/day21m.png
My next step past yesterday. This ah, this took me three hours to do, so I'm passing on the random poses for tonight. I added two more panels, and got by and large all the messy lineart down. Tomorrow is clean lineart, and possible word bubbles time permitting.

Thanks for the laughs Thanqol. That wasn't my intended dialogue, but it actually gave me some tweak ideas (largely why I have some more panels today).

Thanqol
2011-09-22, 01:01 AM
Looking really good, but one thing completely weirds me out - three hours? I've got no idea how your process works and how much erasing and perfectionisting you're doing, but that seems perhaps excessive for a sketch layer. It's a good looking sketch layer, no doubt, but perhaps you could find a more efficient way to do it?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-22, 09:28 AM
Looking really good, but one thing completely weirds me out - three hours? I've got no idea how your process works and how much erasing and perfectionisting you're doing, but that seems perhaps excessive for a sketch layer. It's a good looking sketch layer, no doubt, but perhaps you could find a more efficient way to do it?
Alright, now that I've gotten some sleep and I'm rereading last night's post, I had no business claiming that took me three hours http://i.imgur.com/Ala5e.jpg

From the time I sat down and fired up elements to the time I hit post was just under three hours, and last night!ido completely failed to account for all the time that distractions took away from the actual process. I was a bit more nitpicky than usual, but I'm not going to let excuses allow me to get away with it. All told, I spent at most two hours on this. Absolutely longer than an hour, but no longer than two.

Legitimate excuses though: I did add two new panels, which took a bit of time to figure the poses (since there is a dialogue going on here), and I did redraw some of the panels over from scratch at least once since they looked like complete crap the first time. http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.jpg

Speed is not the most important thing, but being slow certainly isn't good. Tonight, let's see what happens as I bang out the clean lineart?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-23, 12:24 AM
Day 22 - It's Finished!
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1357/day22w.png

All told, this took me a lot longer than I thought it would when I started doing this three days ago. While this was fun... I think I've run into what constitutes as "too much for one day". Still good practice though!

Thanqol
2011-09-23, 12:40 AM
Marvellous :smallbiggrin:

Expect my retaliation comic when I clear my schedule somewhat. :smallwink:

SiuiS
2011-09-23, 04:17 AM
Day 22 - It's Finished!
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1357/day22w.png

All told, this took me a lot longer than I thought it would when I started doing this three days ago. While this was fun... I think I've run into what constitutes as "too much for one day". Still good practice though!

Had to copy the image URL to see the comic.
This comic is one of the greatest things to come out of anything ever. And this?

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/d4ff265b.jpg

This is fantastic. I don't even know how to describe it. Well, other than fantastic. And am I runnin around wearing a lampshade?

TheAmishPirate
2011-09-23, 10:25 AM
Day 22 - It's Finished!
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1357/day22w.png

All told, this took me a lot longer than I thought it would when I started doing this three days ago. While this was fun... I think I've run into what constitutes as "too much for one day". Still good practice though!

You must post this in the main ponythread. YOU MUST! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk6RFzPBH7A)

*continues shufflin'*

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-23, 11:37 PM
Marvellous :smallbiggrin:

Expect my retaliation comic when I clear my schedule somewhat. :smallwink:
Hooray! Wait what?




Had to copy the image URL to see the comic.
This comic is one of the greatest things to come out of anything ever. And this?

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/d4ff265b.jpg
Oooh, ouch yeah you're totally right on the "not phone friendly" bit there. Sorry about the hassle there. In the future when I've got a big image, you want me to load up a smaller sized one as well? That... shouldn't be too much of a problem?

Glad you like it all the same :smallbiggrin:

This is fantastic. I don't even know how to describe it. Well, other than fantastic. And am I runnin around wearing a lampshade?


You must post this in the main ponythread. YOU MUST! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk6RFzPBH7A)

*continues shufflin'*
Everyday you're shufflin doing the Running Man because it's a topical dance step :smalltongue: Also, you've seen by now it's posted, so look what you made me do, you monster.

Day 23 - Poses Part III
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3393/day23k.png

Speaking of monsters, the last few days have been a lot of work on that and a lot of fun, except that it hurt my sleep pretty badly getting that done. So! To help recenter my drawing chi, I just spent a good fifteen minutes doing the posemaniac excersice, and that felt great. It doesn't LOOK so great to me, but getting some hard fast sketches in felt like a good step. Now, bedtime!

SiuiS
2011-09-24, 04:36 AM
Oooh, ouch yeah you're totally right on the "not phone friendly" bit there. Sorry about the hassle there. In the future when I've got a big image, you want me to load up a smaller sized one as well? That... shouldn't be too much of a problem?

Sorry mate, that's a screw-up on my part; one in a string of many communication errors this last week.

I very specifically zoomed in, took a picture, uploaded it to photobucket, and posted it so you would know which part made me laugh the very hardest (running pirate was a close second).
The "had to copy/paste the URL" was just idle chatter. A bad habit of mine I'm trying to be on the lookout for. The picture was sized fine.

On a different note, your skill with tablet and cartoon forms makes me jealous. And your poses are comic along nicely. Several of them jump out at me as having distinct personalities. It's intriguing.

Keep up the good works me buck-o. You're doing fabulous.

TheAmishPirate
2011-09-26, 12:27 PM
Ido? What are the haps, and why are no drawings involved in the aforementioned haps? [/nag]

SiuiS
2011-09-26, 08:26 PM
Hey yeah, where ARE the Haps?

You're letting us down Ido. You're letting all of us down. You're letting yourself down. Don't let us down Ido. Compleat your art. You will feel so much better when your art is compleat. You did want us to get on you if you stalled, right?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-27, 09:13 AM
*stroll out of a good morning meeting after a wonderfully productive weekend*

*decide to hop on forum for morning read*

*realize I forgot about drawthread for five days*

Oh geez oh geez oh geez guys I'm so sorry http://i.imgur.com/0yCfw.jpg Auhguhughauhg fudge shoot augh. I don't even know what to say D: I'll get arts up here as soon as I can TT__TT

Domochevsky
2011-09-27, 10:52 AM
5 times the art, you mean. Preferably six. :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-27, 11:45 PM
So yeah, I had already booked my entire evening today before I remembered my extreme backup and problem. So here's the deal. Tomorrow, I'm just straight up using all my free time drawing, and I'm going to post whatever I have done at 11 so I can get some sleep, so that I don't start a vicious cycle of being too tired to draw and never catch up. Because I'm GOING to catch up. This is a thing that has to happen. I can't let myself slip past any more. I need to get this drawing habit going.

And, while I do this, everyone please start yelling at me if I go any longer than two days without even posting to say anything at all, just to be sure.

Day 24 - Badly Drawn Supafast Sketchy Pinkie Promise?
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4223/day24.png

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-28, 11:00 PM
Day 25 - Not all ideas are good ones
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8251/day25h.png

Here is a little revisit of our sniper friend. That's all I can think to say. *waves hand* You may all say how bad it is now.

Thanqol
2011-09-29, 01:35 AM
Day 25 - Not all ideas are good ones
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8251/day25h.png

Here is a little revisit of our sniper friend. That's all I can think to say. *waves hand* You may all say how bad it is now.

Oh god, his left arm.

Nice perspective on the hammer, though.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-29, 11:49 PM
Oh god, his left arm.

Nice perspective on the hammer, though.
Yeah I was wondering if anyone would point out that arm http://i.imgur.com/ROEne.jpg

Nah, but seriously, I was kind of going for a fisheye lense sort of perspective, so that ended up wreaking havoc on the straight lines, as they are wont to do when I try anything with perspective, at all >_>;

Alright, last two days were sketchy, time to spend some time and give a piece some polish.

Day 26 - Melenkany
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6954/day26e.png
Time: 1 hour
Music: None, but art of the dress was stuck in my head.
Reference: This lovely screenshot from today's news. (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2011/09/zeldaskyward92901.jpg)

Okay wait, an hour? How the hay did this only take me an hour, this used to be a three+ hour endeavor http://i.imgur.com/4sZHM.jpg I stumbled across this picture today on Joystiq, and it really stood out to me, so I decided to try something I literally don't think I've done in years... the female form. It... it actually turned out okay I think? A lot better than I thought it would when I started. Also I'm not really sure if she's wearing pants or a skirt in that cap, so I went the skirt route because screw you, pants.

All in all... this went surprisingly well today http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.jpg

And now for some overdue replies:



Sorry mate, that's a screw-up on my part; one in a string of many communication errors this last week.

I very specifically zoomed in, took a picture, uploaded it to photobucket, and posted it so you would know which part made me laugh the very hardest (running pirate was a close second).
The "had to copy/paste the URL" was just idle chatter. A bad habit of mine I'm trying to be on the lookout for. The picture was sized fine.

On a different note, your skill with tablet and cartoon forms makes me jealous. And your poses are comic along nicely. Several of them jump out at me as having distinct personalities. It's intriguing.

Keep up the good works me buck-o. You're doing fabulous.
Oh okay, I see what happened there! All the same, I'll try and stay conscientious of the mobile crew and our itty bitty screens. I tried and failed to look at it on my phone, and Thanq's thread doesn't always agree with it either, so I'll try and make sure mine works or is at least somewhat regularly size ^^;;

Haha, I don't know about skill with cartoon forms, but I'm so thankful that my hand-eye coordination is treating me better with the tablet these days. The first drawings I did with it were just downright awful. It hurt to see them, it honestly did. And it wasn't even the usual "i am a bad artist" shpiel, it was a "that looks like I puked on something" level of wth :smalltongue:

Poses, yeah the poses feel really interesting to draw too! I want to try and get those as simple as possible, and with the 30 second limit per each, that isn't always the easiest to do, especially when they throw perspective at me. Sometimes I just ragequit until the next one though, like they have a handful of toddler proportions that I just refuse to attempt ^^;;


5 times the art, you mean. Preferably six. :smallwink:
Yes http://i.imgur.com/LWZja.jpg

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-09-30, 11:39 PM
Day 27 - Clever Title
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6700/day27.png

A little enderman action today, trying to get some of the minecraft out of my system. Kind of hard to say how much time I spent on this, and not going to lie in light of yesterday this doesn't look like much. But! This is actually the fourth iteration of this guy that I did tonight, and I think I'm starting to get too picky and perfectionist, so I made myself just post this and call it a night so I can use my one night of the week to catch up on sleep.

Gonna revisit this guy later. Endermen are wonderfully creepy, and perhaps once I delve into color I'll see if I can do this guy justice :)

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-01, 06:26 PM
Some days, you just gotta throw out all your ideas and say "screw it, I'm drawing a bird".

Day 28 - One of those days
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6125/day28v.png
Time: 1 hour
Tunes: Gotta Move That Gear Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVCf9GCtcGc)
Treference: This here raven. (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Cfv3-gD2P4k/TM0dbMmtfeI/AAAAAAAACUo/dnh3JlIzaOM/s1600/raven-info0.gif)

Somehow I made it look angry. This was... unintentional!

Domochevsky
2011-10-01, 08:01 PM
╬ see what you did there. :smallamused:

Thanqol
2011-10-01, 11:45 PM
Some days, you just gotta throw out all your ideas and say "screw it, I'm drawing a bird".

Day 28 - One of those days
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6125/day28v.png
Time: 1 hour
Tunes: Gotta Move That Gear Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVCf9GCtcGc)
Treference: This here raven. (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Cfv3-gD2P4k/TM0dbMmtfeI/AAAAAAAACUo/dnh3JlIzaOM/s1600/raven-info0.gif)

Somehow I made it look angry. This was... unintentional!

$&*@ me, he's a bird!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-02, 09:15 PM
╬ see what you did there. :smallamused:

$&*@ me, he's a bird!
^^;;

Hey look, today's a double feature! Trying to get that backup filled in.

Day 29 - A little Profiling
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2426/day29.png
Trying something a little different with the face drawing method. I've been pretty dissatisfied with how things have gotten with these lately (especially the jawline, and especially the nose. Seriously screw you, noses :smallmad: )

I'll probably try and do a whole page of faces this week, though they'll have to be faster and messier than these, these were like, Ido's primo face drawings at 10 minutes a pop >_> Speed AND quality is a thing that needs to be learned.

Day 30 - Totally paying attention during this meeting! :applejack:
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8664/day301.png
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1001/day302.png

Nothing super fancy, though I tried to go for good form with these. That doesn't carry over to my photography abilities though, so heads up there. This is why I love my tablet so much, while I really like the pencil/paper combo, I can actually SHOW people my stuff digitally and not spend tonsa time cleaning and scanning it ^^;;

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-03, 10:48 PM
Day 31 - Feeling a little Sketchy
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2740/day31i.png
Trying something a bit different today. Let focus on polish, more focus on shape, and speed. Limited myself to 30 minutes, no erasing, left in my bottom prelim layer at 30% opacity for good measure. I wanted to try and get the pose, the proportions, and some rough detail in, like the shape of the arm, and some rough folds of the clothes (two things I excel at doing poorly).

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-04, 09:54 PM
Day 32 is still a WiP right now, and I'd really prefer to post it when it's done, which due to a last minute schedule change that shot tomorrow up to heck, will actually be on Thursday. Just checking in and saying that stuff's getting done, even though it's not posted :smallsmile:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-06, 10:07 PM
Day 32 is STILL WiP, but I've got a nice block of time to myself this weekend to take care of it (and also nurse this cold I'm afraid I'm coming down with :smallsigh:)

In any case, here's day 33. It's Discord.

Day 33 - It's Discord
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7986/day33u.png

Oh gosh why Ido, why do you do this to yourself.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-07, 10:26 PM
**Capt. Ido is sick and has lost all ability to hold a cohesive creative thought. Draw challenge is on hold until that gets better. Pardon our problems.**
feel free to look at my old stuff and comment in the meanwhile. I'm sure I've done SOMETHING wrong enough to merit a critique ^^;;

Thanqol
2011-10-07, 10:41 PM
Get well soon, dood.

Day 33 is nice, intimidating and twisty, but I'm not sure about the "I dunno" hands. It's a nice touch intellectually, but it just seems at odds with the framing of the rest of the picture. When paired with the expression, it doesn't look like a shrug.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-10, 09:45 PM
Get well soon, dood.

Day 33 is nice, intimidating and twisty, but I'm not sure about the "I dunno" hands. It's a nice touch intellectually, but it just seems at odds with the framing of the rest of the picture. When paired with the expression, it doesn't look like a shrug.
Thanks! (:

I'm glad you liked everything except the arms! That was pretty much my opinion of them too. I just couldn't think of any other way to pose them and either not make them just hang there, look stupid, or both. Any idea on what I could have done? I think that's going to bother me the more I look at it :smallannoyed:

Hey everyone, I'm back! My cold's cleared up and my ability to look at a blank canvas and see a picture has returned! I did honestly try to make something while I was sick, but it was seriously like a switch had turned off in my brain, and all my creative juices were gone. I couldn't even minecraft properly! I just ended up leveling a large swatch of land and reorganized my SMP's entire storehouse >_>

Anyway! Now that nasty mess is out of the way, it's time for

Day 34 - Get Well Soon
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5530/day34.png

A little something different today, going for a little cutesy thing while actually paying attention to my line weight. I think I press down too hard with the stylus, all my lines are much fatter than if I just dragged it across the tablet. Does it look sort of like it worked?

Thanqol
2011-10-11, 12:51 AM
Thanks! (:

I'm glad you liked everything except the arms! That was pretty much my opinion of them too. I just couldn't think of any other way to pose them and either not make them just hang there, look stupid, or both. Any idea on what I could have done? I think that's going to bother me the more I look at it :smallannoyed:

I am absolutely convinced that one should be coming forwards to the foreground of the picture in a slash-grab gesture, showing off the perspective and the sharpness of the claws. Perhaps rubbing his chin, even. That done, the other would have been able to be put in a counterbalancy-position, meaning you wouldn't have to do much with it, or be holding something - possibly his cat-umbrella.

Problem is that because the hands are in the background, and they're roughly vertical in the background - try stretching your neck forwards as far as it'll go, and then raising your hands vertically like Discord's doing as far back as possible. It feels unnatural, right? If your head's going forwards your arms should be going forwards too.



Day 34 - Get Well Soon
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5530/day34.png

A little something different today, going for a little cutesy thing while actually paying attention to my line weight. I think I press down too hard with the stylus, all my lines are much fatter than if I just dragged it across the tablet. Does it look sort of like it worked?

By and large, yeah. I think the top part of the hood could do with a bit of tweaking, but that's just 'cause I've been practising hoods a lot recently. Otherwise seems effective for the style.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-11, 09:34 PM
I am absolutely convinced that one should be coming forwards to the foreground of the picture in a slash-grab gesture, showing off the perspective and the sharpness of the claws. Perhaps rubbing his chin, even. That done, the other would have been able to be put in a counterbalancy-position, meaning you wouldn't have to do much with it, or be holding something - possibly his cat-umbrella.

Problem is that because the hands are in the background, and they're roughly vertical in the background - try stretching your neck forwards as far as it'll go, and then raising your hands vertically like Discord's doing as far back as possible. It feels unnatural, right? If your head's going forwards your arms should be going forwards too.
Yes, I'm liking that, that's MUCH better than what I have, haha. Definitely the clawed hand (not the pawed hand) doing a reach-towards-the-viewer gesture, and the pawed hand (not the clawed hand) in a readied stance.

You are right about the unnaturalness about the pose. Okay, this sounds weird, but that's *almost* what I was going for? Do you happen to read Gunnerkrigg Court, Thanq? Anyone? For those that do, Discord, to me, is nearly a dead ringer for Coyote, with more of an Evil slant to Coyote's Neutral. Tom (the author/artist) gives Coyote this wonderful fluid stance and form, where he practically flows where he wants to be, rather than a solid body of motion. Discord, I love him and all, but he actually felt rather stiff to me. He's got this long serpentine body, but he never uses it! I aim to fix that, says I. Definitely going to be coming back to this guy, he's too much fun.



By and large, yeah. I think the top part of the hood could do with a bit of tweaking, but that's just 'cause I've been practising hoods a lot recently. Otherwise seems effective for the style.Again, you're right! I came back in the morning, took one look at that hood, and wondered what I was thinking. That whole bit on the right probably shouldn't even be there, I'd go as far as saying. Hoods are fun to draw though =)


Day 35 - Good draw, best friend
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3811/day35.png
Today you all get corgi, because they are the best. I tried to do a bit of fur coloring using just a smidge of cross-hatching. Not sure if worked. I'm actually exhausted, this I think was the hardest day to actually put the pen to paper. BUT I DID IT BECAUSE IT IS GOOD FOR ME. Aw ye*passes out, face landing on submit reply*

Trazoi
2011-10-12, 07:46 AM
I tried to do a bit of fur coloring using just a smidge of cross-hatching. Not sure if worked.
Looks like it worked to me. :smallsmile:

Domochevsky
2011-10-12, 10:04 AM
Posing this challenge to the three of you, so here's it for you. :smallwink:

http://wildwestscifi.net/Misc/Challenge/Challenge_LTD_1.png

Show me your moves!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-12, 11:09 PM
Looks like it worked to me. :smallsmile:
Awesome! Fur... yeah I have no real idea how to do fur, I think I've just gotten lucky each time I try it http://i.imgur.com/RBgwp.png


Posing this challenge to the three of you, so here's it for you. :smallwink:

http://wildwestscifi.net/Misc/Challenge/Challenge_LTD_1.png

Show me your moves!
A draw challenge you say? With more distinct people than I've ever done before, several of which are in dynamic poses in addition to different distances from the viewer? Three of whom are girls? Show you my moves?! Why, Domo my good friend, challenge...

Day 36 - ACCEPTED!
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3645/day36.png
Hah! But not today, no no no no. This weekend, for sure hopefully. THIS IS NOW WHAT I'M WORKING ON!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-16, 08:55 PM
This is me checking in, saying that yes, I haven't posted the last few days but no, I actually have been drawing. The twofold trick is that ONE, I have been struck with le inspiration on this drawchallenge and have a very specific image I want to do, and it's taking some research/practice to get it right and TWO, my brother's home on break from uni, and I am sacrificing a fair bit of usual "draw time" for "having real life funtimes with my bro-thor". Rest assured, the next thing I post here will be the challenge itself, and whatever doodles and practice sketches it took to get me there.

And I promise it will be this week! :smallbiggrin:

Thanqol
2011-10-16, 09:58 PM
"having real life funtimes with my bro-thor".

hurr hurr hurr

Thanqol
2011-10-19, 09:34 PM
Ido, it's been a week between drawings. C'mon man, you can do better than that.

Domochevsky
2011-10-19, 09:56 PM
Indeed. And you have yet to get into the latest challenge posed. You're slacking. :smallwink:

In fact, you're 13 updates behind! Go go go! o/

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-25, 10:31 PM
I'm back, baby!

Sorry for the COMPLETE lack of posting in the last week. Internet as well as art went on hold as my brother was here on his fall break. I did get some practice in, that's going to be compiled just into a big post once I done with the drawchallenge. Anyway, now I'm super behind, but I only sort of regret it because hanging out with my family is kiiiind of a higher priority :smallwink:

In any case, here is the progress that I *have* made towards drawchallenge:

Day 38 - The Face of the Enemy
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9352/day38.png

It's coming along... well? I would LOVE to get this done tomorrow, though I miiiight stretch it out, spending tomorrow finishing the major lineart, and then spending a day on details and fussing. That looks like a real attractive option to me right now. Actually, my bed looks like a real attractive option, so I'm thinking I'ma go to bed soon now.

Thanks so much for posting about my whereabouts, last week was crap for keeping this habit up, but knowing you guys were out for my head helped bring me back ^^;;

To Do: Finish rough of Gal 3, most of Gal 2. Final Lineart. Details. Clean and crop.

Kindablue
2011-10-25, 10:52 PM
And there was much rejoicing! (Have I really never posted in this thread?)

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-26, 01:18 PM
And there was much rejoicing! (Have I really never posted in this thread?)
Hoorayyyy! Nope, it looks like you hadn't, but you've definitely remedied the problem :smalltongue:

A bit on the picture, since it might explain a thing or two about some decisions that I've made. First off, I went with illustrating my current D&D party, with my longsuffering DM front and center. I haven't added ALL of the animals that we have running around (yet), but I've gotten at least all of the elf's. On the right we have a gnome, and what will be a female dwarf, I hope. I liked the original pose, and it totally works with the party dynamics, but I'm trying to make that work with the dimensions of our two shorter party members.

If anyone sees any obvious gamebreaker mistakes, I'm very much interested in hearing about them!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-10-26, 11:07 PM
A blast from the past, here we are with

Day 37 - sketchdump
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/731/day37.png

I'm not finished with you-know-what yet, in fact I'm totally redoing the right side because I have learned of a major problem in the direction I was going, so I have to fix that. I do though, have this whole page of practice sketches from research. It's mostly pseudodragon attempts, with a dash of Djinn!Gnome for good measure. Also I didn't draw everything mashed together on the page like this, there was a little marquee work going on behind the scenes to arrange them slightly more compact and at a few different resolutions. Guess I'm a bit weird like that...

TheAmishPirate
2011-10-30, 12:31 AM
Ido? What's up? Am I going to have to get all up in your grill?

Thanqol
2011-10-30, 12:50 AM
Ido? What's up? Am I going to have to get all up in your grill?

WE, PONYTHREAD UP IN YO GRILL,
WE, PONYTHREAD DRESSED TO KILL,
WE, PONYTHREAD SHOWIN' OUR SKILL
YOU, FILLIES, GONNA GET A THRILL

Yo, this is Thanq the Mask,
On the scene with my Pirate brony,
We're here to diss down phoneys,
Talk 'bout ponies,
Haters can blow me

Now I'm a liar, but to you, the truth;
Update soon or I'ma cut loose,
With my technophobe brudda,
Got a sword that'll cutya
AmishXMask ONE TRUE PARTNA

Ido, what's haps?
-This delay is craps,
Make with the art, yo,
Or I'll bust out my caps.

Word. We out.

SiuiS
2011-11-05, 05:42 PM
Hey Ido, how ya been?

My guess is ya been dead, because I haven't seen you anywhere, let alone your own drawthread. I'm somewhat worried.

Please come back to us, Ido. We miss you.

And bring art.

Shadowy
2011-11-05, 09:12 PM
Hey Ido, how ya been?

My guess is ya been dead, because I haven't seen you anywhere, let alone your own drawthread. I'm somewhat worried.

Please come back to us, Ido. We miss you.

And bring art.

What he said.

Except for the being dead part, I need your corpse to fuel my machine of SCIENCE!

*Cough*

Oh, and I've been watching this and am sad you've stopped it.

Domochevsky
2011-11-11, 12:45 PM
You have failed us, Mr Ido... hand me your captains hat. :smallcool:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-12, 02:51 AM
I...

have...

FINISHED!

Day 39 -
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6054/day39.png
Sonuva! no wait that's not it that's a lame-flank batch of excuses and relapsing into old habits in image form. Let's try this again...

DAY 40 - Domo Draw Challenge
(warning, I didn't shrink this one, so it's at its full 2000x1000 pixel glory(?)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3238/day40.png

... WHELP. I'm done. Just going to start out and just say this outright: I've failed everyone by taking So Freaking Long to get this posted. Not even going to give reasons, I'm just going to give my deepest apologies, and resume posting daily here and elsewhere on the forums now that I am able to once again post. If it's any consolation, I think I've put somewhere in the range of 6-8 hours working on this since Day 38. Not much else to do but move forward, eh? Let's do this Leeroy Jenkins.

About Drawchallenge, even though I took too long, this was a LOT of fun to get going, and forced me to do a lot of things I wasn't used to. No lie, I haven't drawn a girl/woman/ladything in years, and had forgotten absolutely everything. Fortunately, I decided to draw my D&D party goofing around behind my longsuffering DM, which includes a female dwarf, which is pretty much as close to a halfway point as I think I'm going to get...

I added a few things to the challenge, Domo, I hope you didn't mind. It didn't feel right to draw the party without including every last critter friend we've made along the way. Also, our gnome is more apt to beating with the stick rather than directly punching :smallbiggrin:

I want to thank EVERYONE who groused at me both on and offline. Every word weighed heavily on me more than you all know, and it hurt to begin drawing again and have it go badly again at first. Daily practice is key, and I can't go forgetting that, and you all make that absolutely possible. I don't want to let me down, but I definitely don't want to let any of my friends here down either.

Regular updates resume again, as a part of the greater Ido Improvement Projects currently underway. Please, I beg of you to keep bothering me, and please help tear down any hubris I might have by tearing down any flaws in my drawings that you come across. Thank you again everyone, now if you'll excuse me I have a ponythread to shamefully return to.

Edit: and for my own amusement, a brief rundown of the party:
From left to right:
Uial, elf wizardess. Pictured with Spike (her pseudodragon familiar), Owloysius (owl wild cohort) and Trixie (her pony mount).
Aria, human ranger/fighter. Sort of okay at dual wielding, keeps changing her mind at what she wants out of it. Pictured with Nymeria (her wolf companion).
Front and center: our DM who can't believe he's letting this many animals exist at one time, let alone the other shenanigans he puts up with.
Ginorbol, gnome druid, who is also of a Djinn bloodline. Pictured with his masterwork quarterstaff he stole from a guy, and his leopard Winston. Not picture: him turning into a bear.
Lacona, dwarf rouge. She gets in fights and is mostly in this for the money. The rest of the party isn't completely sure about this, but she may have been, as it were, a lady of the night at her old job. It's hard to tell.

double edit: this captain hat is mine, MINE I say!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-12, 11:46 PM
Two for two, baby! *fistpumps*

Day 41 - One's a Crowd
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9492/day41.png
That's right Domo, I loved your draw challenge so much I did it twice and yet somehow didn't do it exactly to the letter both times!

Much less detail into this one, but I felt like seeing, after the drawchallenge proper took me nigh on 8 hours of work, how much I could do if I spent less time on the nitty gritty and just tried to do it. So, same poses, and went with my various selves, and bam, just over an hour and a half. It's rough around the edges, but much less so than I was expecting?

I may need to put out another formal request for requests and ideas. Actually, yes. I'm doing that now. If anyone has anything they wish to force me to draw, or at least ask politely, please feel free. I cannot have too many suggestions :smallsmile:

Thanqol
2011-11-13, 01:38 AM
I may need to put out another formal request for requests and ideas. Actually, yes. I'm doing that now. If anyone has anything they wish to force me to draw, or at least ask politely, please feel free. I cannot have too many suggestions :smallsmile:

Ooo, I'm doing some character design work right now and I need a whole lot of pictures and distinctive appearances. I'll drop a few challenges I'm working on myself and see how you go translating them into pictures. If you can translate any of these into visuals, I'd be grateful.

1: Apprentices


Bycatch: Female Obrimos
Magical Tradition: Greenpeace
The Hero

Bycatch is a student protester completely devoted to the idea of ethics taking priority over political expedience. Saving the whales, freeing the refugees, banning nuclear power, outlawing fur, eating organic and ending inequality. Her political leanings are extremely towards the left; not quite communist, but definitely not capitalist. The duality in her personality is that despite her strong political beliefs and very strong emotional connections to her topics, she finds her magic in researching those beliefs. In this sense, she's championing more ideals than she can really hope to accomplish because it's the touching on and exploration of the ideals that enhances her personal power. If she picked one and put all her effort towards it, she might be able to make more real steps towards achieving it. Selfishness has crept up on Bycatch without her noticing.

Personality wise, Bycatch is loud, rebellious and impulsive, completely fine with breaking laws or taking things to extremes. She believes her own moral compass trumps the laws of society and is prepared to act to bring the two into closer alignment.


Tifa: Female Thyrsius
Magical Tradition: Martial Arts/Cosplay
The Lost

Tifa is a cosplayer - a serious, high quality cosplayer. Her costumes are works of art, and she maintains a respectable lifestyle selling outfits on the internet and in conventions. Despite this part of her life being the most important, it's on the decline - she's increasingly fascinated with traditional martial arts and styles and is slowly starting to withdraw from the world to spend ever more time practising. When Tifa goes into character, she goes deep into character - she thinks she does her best work when she forgets she's not the character she's trying to play.

And when this happens, it's kind of scary. Her magic can alter her appearance to make her look and sound uncannily like the character she's cosplaying. The process is where she finds her best magic and the most power, but what happens if she goes too deep to find her way back?

What if this has already happened?


Shintaro: Male Arcanthus
Magical Tradition: Shinto
The Servant

Shintaro is a junior assistant for the Mayor of Nara, and he seems completely fine with that position. He spends most of his time in the sanctum on the phone to the Mayor's office, sorting out paperwork or campaign trends, and generally focusing his attention on the job he was doing before he Awakened with only minimal concessions towards researching or preparing for Awakened life. He's happy in his job, loyal to the major and his party, and seemingly content just to use what little magic he possesses to make his life just a little easier.


2: The Suicide Pact

The Suicide Pact:

Order: Free Council

The only thing these three people had in common was that they agreed that they were going out of the world together. They met online, chatted briefly, and made the decision. They sat in a circle and turned on the engine that began filling the room with carbon monoxide. One of them was a sixteen year old Japanese-American army brat who never knew her real father. One of them was a construction worker who's drinking habit caused his wife and child to leave him. One was a retired salaryman who gave all his years to a company who sacked him for being 'redundant'.

But when they woke up together in the realm of Stygia, the place where the dead went, they all knew one thing: This was not what they wanted.

When they emerged, coughing and spluttering, from that tiny room full of poison, they had changed, profoundly. They knew exactly what death was and wanted never to go back. And they wanted to help others avoid the same mistake they had nearly made. The Suicide Pact became a community support group, an anti-suicide hotline, and mystics who would help ghosts find their way. They've got hundreds of allies in the city, humans and ghosts who they helped, and they're determined to do more. The Suicide Pact is a strange take on the Moros path, following that path's associations with hope and life rather than morbidity and death.

As for actual, general, artistic challenge stuff:

- A waterfall (Challenge: Motion, scenery, water)
- A scene from WW1 (Challenge: Scale, dynamics, mood)
- Two people who utterly hate each other (Challenge: Expression, posture)

Domochevsky
2011-11-13, 05:14 AM
Hm... ok, you are partially forgiven for failing us. You may keep your hat for now. This better be a daily occurence from here on out. :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-14, 12:52 AM
Late (as in evening) post! Sundays are either empty or wicked full. Today was not the former.

Day 42 - Hoooooddie test
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2725/day42.png
Yesterday reminded me that I have no idea or real practice drawing folds in fabric! Here's me attempting to remedy that. As I type this, I realize that I should be compiling a definite list of things that I specifically want to practice/flesh out. Ah well, a task for lunch tomorrow. In the meanwhile, tackling some character design tomorrow! :D

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-14, 11:22 PM
So it turns out that having never really drawn women in any realistic way before in my life makes it kind of difficult to draw ladytypes in any capacity! Now we know.

Day 43 - Drawing Ladytype Practice
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7531/day43.png
I was initially going to take a stab at one of Thanqol's character designs tonight. I totally have a mental image going on in my brain places, but as soon as I set about doing it, I realized that there was no way it was happening without actually learning to draw women. Soooo, gonna hold off on that for a day or so and get my head wrapped around some concepts, with maybe a day for critique and consideration as well? Anyway...

So this is literally my first real attempt right here. It's rough, but that's kind of how I tend to treat first time objects. Got the frame, and more or less sculpting the form around it based vaguely off a finished image with a different pose. There are parts I am happy with, and parts I am not so much, though I can't really say which parts exactly I don't like. I honestly have only a slight idea of what's going on here to begin with, any pointers would be great.

Tomorrow, definitely not character design, but that is the end goal here. Taking this one step at a time. :smallsmile:

Thanqol
2011-11-14, 11:38 PM
#42: One of the biggest things to get your head around with clothing folds that I'm starting to realise is that you can't draw the picture and then add lines over the top of it. Looks dumb, doesn't work. You've got to make the lines change the shape of the picture. Draw the outline of the figure, and then draw the fold lines on a different layer, but have them cross the outline and change it's shape. That's what my process at the moment is, anyway.

#43: I don't get this either, you're on your own.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-15, 11:47 PM
#42: One of the biggest things to get your head around with clothing folds that I'm starting to realise is that you can't draw the picture and then add lines over the top of it. Looks dumb, doesn't work. You've got to make the lines change the shape of the picture. Draw the outline of the figure, and then draw the fold lines on a different layer, but have them cross the outline and change it's shape. That's what my process at the moment is, anyway.

#43: I don't get this either, you're on your own.
#42: Yeah, I totally hear you. I actually did more of the folds as I drew the *checks* left sleeve, and more post folds on the right sleeve, and you're right, as I'm looking at it, post is pretty bad... Something else to work on then!
#43: Oh nooooo http://i.imgur.com/kdR94.png

Hey, on that subject, time for some TAKE TWO action!
Day 44 - Fashion lol
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6591/day44.png
Here we have the perfect storm of everything I can't draw: women, clothes, hands, faces, and even a little hair for good measure! Found this source courtesy a friend who directed me to clothing websites, which are actually way WAY better than GIS for pictures as it turns out http://i.imgur.com/CYF9U.png

I... I don't know. It's better than yesterday, but still feels awkward. There's so much to handle here, it's kinda frustrating... I took it out by drawing weird faces on her before posting this, and also giving the layer-by-layer breakdown because... why not?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-17, 12:01 AM
Executive decision: daily drawing practice is good, but so is sleep. I have an ongoing weekly D&D engagement that takes up my entire evening. I can and have still done my drawings in the past after I've gotten back, but this has gotten to be too much for me. I'm a wreck the next day, and I just can't keep that up anymore. I love art, I love drawing, this has been such a great move, but if it's at the cost of my health that's probably not the best call.

So! My adjusted goal is now this: daily drawing is required per usual, with the exception my once-weekly session. This equates to six required daily works, with a bonus seventh to fill in the gap. On the honor system, I'll say when that night is when/if it happens (as schedules can change). I, Ido Nos, promise to be honest and not use this as an excuse to not draw one night - if I have no engagement, I must practice. I hope that if I abuse this new adjustment or otherwise fail to draw, that I will have unspeakable shame and internet humiliation thrust upon me like the garbage I will have become.

And now to balance out the overall serious tone of this post so far: butts lol

(this was a D&D night, expect a drawing tomorrow)

Thanqol
2011-11-17, 02:26 AM
I've had them kinda flat out days before. My advice is just lower your standards. Grab a pen and paper and do a five minute crap sketch before bed; it's better than losing momentum. There's no minimum for quality.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-17, 12:00 PM
I've had them kinda flat out days before. My advice is just lower your standards. Grab a pen and paper and do a five minute crap sketch before bed; it's better than losing momentum. There's no minimum for quality.

I'm okay with this, if people don't mind :<

SiuiS
2011-11-18, 12:18 AM
Hey, on that subject, time for some TAKE TWO action!
Day 44 - Fashion lol
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6591/day44.png
Here we have the perfect storm of everything I can't draw: women, clothes, hands, faces, and even a little hair for good measure! Found this source courtesy a friend who directed me to clothing websites, which are actually way WAY better than GIS for pictures as it turns out http://i.imgur.com/CYF9U.png

I... I don't know. It's better than yesterday, but still feels awkward. There's so much to handle here, it's kinda frustrating... I took it out by drawing weird faces on her before posting this, and also giving the layer-by-layer breakdown because... why not?

Tips from a psychotic body-reader; you picked the wrong chixxor for working on a ladytype.

Models do things that normal people don't do. This particular one is lifting one knee to lower the edge of her pelvis, while simultaneously twisting her trunk. This presents a chest-waist-hip ratio that is more athletically pleasing, but which reminds me of an explanation for ballet; contorting your body into unnatural positions and making it look elegant.

There is a specific visual hip-to-waist ratio that the human mind finds most pleasing. Women, due to a fluke o bone structure and center of gravity, can cat their pelvis in ways men cannot. This allows hem to present the visual of that ratio by emphasizing certain parts o the bodyŚ and yet in your skeleton, the pelvis line is almost completely horizontal.

Looking at her spine, she is compressing her lower back, the lumbar. She has a bit of swayback going on, pushing out her rump and pulling back her shoulders. It makes the Hiney appreciatively round, and destroys her posture in the process. I see this partially reflected in your skeleton, but. I can't tell how integral that line is.

Her feet are arched the wrong way; if you look at the picture, the inside arch of her foot traces a half-circle, which emanates from the ground. It is, literally, an arch. Think of it like an organic spring plate that is a half-circle. The foot "flattens" when it hits the ground, but springs back to it's curved shape when not forced flat.
I only go into this because your illustrated foot curves exactly the right way, in exactly the wrong direction.

Breasts should not be accounted for in the design of the torso; you should instead draw their Ribcage, and "attach" breasts to the outside. Otherwise the torso will be blocky, and it will show through.

I suppose that exhausts my immediate supply of relevant commentary ^^"
sorry, but I love the human body, and having an eye for doodling, I have found all sorts of tidbits that get me looked at strangely at dinner parties.
But I'm only half as perverted as I seem! I swear!


I've had them kinda flat out days before. My advice is just lower your standards. Grab a pen and paper and do a five minute crap sketch before bed; it's better than losing momentum. There's no minimum for quality.

Yes, this. So long as you feel you've learned something, you're good.
And heck, ballpoint will teach you feel, going with the grain, and "oh $%*& I can't erase can I?", which is a hard skill to learn.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-18, 01:42 AM
Siuis! Thank you so much for your sweet sweet constructive criticism! It makes me very happy to see, and I'll give a proper response in the morning after I get some sleep *looks at the time* and presumably some coffee as well http://i.imgur.com/LxdwA.png Thanks so much!

PREVIOUSLY, ON IDO'S DRAWTHREAD

1: Apprentices
Bycatch: Female Obrimos
Magical Tradition: Greenpeace
The Hero

Bycatch is a student protester completely devoted to the idea of ethics taking priority over political expedience. Saving the whales, freeing the refugees, banning nuclear power, outlawing fur, eating organic and ending inequality. Her political leanings are extremely towards the left; not quite communist, but definitely not capitalist. The duality in her personality is that despite her strong political beliefs and very strong emotional connections to her topics, she finds her magic in researching those beliefs. In this sense, she's championing more ideals than she can really hope to accomplish because it's the touching on and exploration of the ideals that enhances her personal power. If she picked one and put all her effort towards it, she might be able to make more real steps towards achieving it. Selfishness has crept up on Bycatch without her noticing.

Personality wise, Bycatch is loud, rebellious and impulsive, completely fine with breaking laws or taking things to extremes. She believes her own moral compass trumps the laws of society and is prepared to act to bring the two into closer alignment.



Day 45 - You wanted a Hippiemancer, right?
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2638/day45.png

After a couple of days of practice drawing women, I finally felt comfortable enough to give a shot at what I could see in my head. This one might be interesting to come back to once I start playing with color. Let's see how I feel about this picture in the morning, haha. Going to be honest, and I'm not totally sure how to convey "this is a magic person", but I gave it the best I could do :)

To note Thanqol: that's her staff she's holding. She has a special latch that released four segments from the side, to which she uses to attach her protest signs. She was also supposed to have a messenger bag full of spellbooks and the like, but that got too busy for my liking, so she left it at home today.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-18, 02:32 PM
Tips from a psychotic body-reader; you picked the wrong chixxor for working on a ladytype.

Models do things that normal people don't do. This particular one is lifting one knee to lower the edge of her pelvis, while simultaneously twisting her trunk. This presents a chest-waist-hip ratio that is more athletically pleasing, but which reminds me of an explanation for ballet; contorting your body into unnatural positions and making it look elegant.
Fair enough!

Just going to be up front about this, I didn't really know where to find references to draw from, and my friend suggesting a clothing site catalog's women section. I totally know that models aren't the best for this, but I haven't drawn any women, not since drawthread began, so I figured this was better than nothing, and less awkward than giving google image search a spin .__. I gladly welcome any links or suggestions on resources!




There is a specific visual hip-to-waist ratio that the human mind finds most pleasing. Women, due to a fluke o bone structure and center of gravity, can cat their pelvis in ways men cannot. This allows hem to present the visual of that ratio by emphasizing certain parts o the bodyŚ and yet in your skeleton, the pelvis line is almost completely horizontal.

Looking at her spine, she is compressing her lower back, the lumbar. She has a bit of swayback going on, pushing out her rump and pulling back her shoulders. It makes the Hiney appreciatively round, and destroys her posture in the process. I see this partially reflected in your skeleton, but. I can't tell how integral that line is.
Boy, girls sure are weird! Good advice though, thanks. All this sort of stuff is great for me to chew on and internalize, it really does help :)



Her feet are arched the wrong way; if you look at the picture, the inside arch of her foot traces a half-circle, which emanates from the ground. It is, literally, an arch. Think of it like an organic spring plate that is a half-circle. The foot "flattens" when it hits the ground, but springs back to it's curved shape when not forced flat.
I only go into this because your illustrated foot curves exactly the right way, in exactly the wrong direction.
*derpygasp* You're right D=


Breasts should not be accounted for in the design of the torso; you should instead draw their Ribcage, and "attach" breasts to the outside. Otherwise the torso will be blocky, and it will show through.
I will actually interject here, saying that I know about this from reading Thanq's experiences with this earlier, however, I ran into a sort of weird problem. Normally, I would draw the torso (which for both genders I give a slight slant to anyway) and then add them from there, but when I sat down to add them in, with the ruffle thing she has on her shirt, and the lighting, I literally could not tell where they were. So, just kinda winged it instead. I tried better for yesterday's post, did that look any better?


I suppose that exhausts my immediate supply of relevant commentary ^^"
sorry, but I love the human body, and having an eye for doodling, I have found all sorts of tidbits that get me looked at strangely at dinner parties.
But I'm only half as perverted as I seem! I swear!
Psh, whatever, this was great! I know I started this thread saying that I don't mind if people don't give input, but turns out I didn't know anything about that either, and everything everyone says is incredibly welcome and helpful :'D

PLEASE CONTINUE 0:)


Yes, this. So long as you feel you've learned something, you're good.
And heck, ballpoint will teach you feel, going with the grain, and "oh $%*& I can't erase can I?", which is a hard skill to learn.
If anything, there isn't anything wrong with practicing loose form, faster sketches, and straighter lines. I'm sold, messy sketches on D&D nights it is then!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-19, 01:04 AM
Technically, this is still practice drawing the female form :)

Day 46 - Blatant Abuse of Semantics
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/811/day46vau.png

Thanqol
2011-11-19, 04:40 AM
Day 45 - You wanted a Hippiemancer, right?
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2638/day45.png

After a couple of days of practice drawing women, I finally felt comfortable enough to give a shot at what I could see in my head. This one might be interesting to come back to once I start playing with color. Let's see how I feel about this picture in the morning, haha. Going to be honest, and I'm not totally sure how to convey "this is a magic person", but I gave it the best I could do :)

To note Thanqol: that's her staff she's holding. She has a special latch that released four segments from the side, to which she uses to attach her protest signs. She was also supposed to have a messenger bag full of spellbooks and the like, but that got too busy for my liking, so she left it at home today.

Hmm, it doesn't match up with my own visualisation (this is a modern setting, for one). Artistically, I'm not sure about the shape of the head (too tall) or the arrangement of features. But I do like the idea behind the staff and I'm stealing that for one of the character's tools.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-21, 12:35 AM
Hmm, it doesn't match up with my own visualisation (this is a modern setting, for one). Artistically, I'm not sure about the shape of the head (too tall) or the arrangement of features. But I do like the idea behind the staff and I'm stealing that for one of the character's tools.
Yeah, I figured I had a very small chance of getting the actual setting of the character right, I'm not at all familiar with what you're using her for http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.png But I'm glad you at least liked the staff idea! And I'm pretty glad with the overall lack of failure this represents for me, haha. Question though: you say you're not so sure about the "arrangement of features", but I don't think I follow. Are her facial features in the wrong places?

Since apparently I only posted yesterday in my mind, today is two days in one! Lots of experimenting and newness going on here folks. Today marks the first day in the drawchallenge where I used not only different brushes, but also... well you'll see I guess.
Day 47 - Waterfall
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5462/day47.png
Thought I'd mix it up a bit, tried some white on black. It felt more natural to "paint" the water as a pure white color with a slightly soft, slightly transparent brush over black. It's not perfect, but I'm not sure what else to say about it...

Moving right along:

Day 48 - Kurai
(big warning)
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6607/day48.png
This one is almost a shape and shadow study above all else. I swear it's not Metal Mask >_> I am interested to see what anyone thinks about today's drawing.

Thanqol
2011-11-21, 01:18 AM
Yeah, I figured I had a very small chance of getting the actual setting of the character right, I'm not at all familiar with what you're using her for http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.png But I'm glad you at least liked the staff idea! And I'm pretty glad with the overall lack of failure this represents for me, haha. Question though: you say you're not so sure about the "arrangement of features", but I don't think I follow. Are her facial features in the wrong places?

Mage is basically the real world with secret wizards. There are very few of them who actually look like wizards, wear robes, or carry spellbooks.

And I don't know, the face just doesn't look right to me. The shape of the head is almost a pure oval, with no concessions to the shape of cheekbones or eyes. Someone better qualified than I should probably cover this.


Since apparently I only posted yesterday in my mind, today is two days in one! Lots of experimenting and newness going on here folks. Today marks the first day in the drawchallenge where I used not only different brushes, but also... well you'll see I guess.
Day 47 - Waterfall
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5462/day47.png
Thought I'd mix it up a bit, tried some white on black. It felt more natural to "paint" the water as a pure white color with a slightly soft, slightly transparent brush over black. It's not perfect, but I'm not sure what else to say about it...

The water looks good, the rock formation needs work.


Day 48 - Kurai
(big warning)
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6607/day48.png
This one is almost a shape and shadow study above all else. I swear it's not Metal Mask >_> I am interested to see what anyone thinks about today's drawing.

It's not? It looks exactly like the Arcani. Great work on this, by the way. Silhouettes always look great.

Domochevsky
2011-11-21, 05:51 AM
I call shenanigans on the big one. There was no reason whatsoever to have it be this big. Just small and focused on the figure would have been sufficient, since the rest of the scene is black. Condense scenes down to what is needed. Don't have filler spaces. :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-21, 01:31 PM
I call shenanigans on the big one. There was no reason whatsoever to have it be this big. Just small and focused on the figure would have been sufficient, since the rest of the scene is black. Condense scenes down to what is needed. Don't have filler spaces. :smallwink:
Shenanigans acknowledged and accepted. I really should have lowered the resolution down another tick before I posted it. I forgot how big that really ends up being.

On the subject of filler space, I was going more in the "negative space" angle, I guess it didn't work out so well? :smallsigh:

Domochevsky
2011-11-21, 02:41 PM
Negative space? It's just black, with a little face figure in the bottom right. You could have cropped that down by about 90%. :smallconfused:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-21, 03:25 PM
My entire point of this was to have the shadowy figure in the bottom corner of the image. I'm thinking, that the answer to this is less "kill all the empty space" but instead something more along the lines of fill the space in... an empty fashion.

The focus is on the shadowy figure, it's easy enough to draw attention to it with the contrast of its eyes on the blacks and greys. Putting him in the corner gives him more visual weight than centering him, and since there is a lack of visual interest elsewhere, and a line given by the slanted road/surface/thing the eye is more or less forced to focus on him. I guess it's just boiled down too far, having nothing be in the black fog. It is varied, by the way, but I may need to reduce the brightness on my home monitor, at work it looks a lot more uniform than what I was looking at last night. What it needs is... a setting of some sort. Nothing too visually exciting, I want attention on that corner. Hm...

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-22, 12:46 AM
Day 49 - Components
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9586/day49k.png
A quick and dirty snapshot of my D&D session tonight. A five minute doodle turned into half an hour of fiddling, but this was fun to draw. (:

Incidentally, the dire wolf was not terribly amused by this. Just a heads up.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-23, 12:42 AM
Day 50 - Ten minute Derp
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8888/day50.png
Today, this really DID end up being a ten minute doodle. I probably all told spent about four hours in traffic across the whole day. Thanqol, I'll have you know that I could have been sleeping right now, but because of YOU and also Siuis I said NO, I will draw something and post it.

I am... almost disappointed at how smooth my lineart turned out :smallconfused:

Trazoi
2011-11-23, 12:46 AM
That's really nice for a ten minute doodle! Maybe too nice. The ponies have got you.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-23, 12:56 AM
That's really nice for a ten minute doodle! Maybe too nice. The ponies have got you.
Aw shucks http://i.imgur.com/G5T9W.png

But seriously, I was legitimately confused when I finished, and wondered if I had misremembered what time I had started. My ten minute doodles look like a messy pile, even after cleanup »\(░_o)/»

the_druid_droid
2011-11-23, 01:03 PM
Day 50 - Ten minute Derp
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8888/day50.png
Today, this really DID end up being a ten minute doodle. I probably all told spent about four hours in traffic across the whole day. Thanqol, I'll have you know that I could have been sleeping right now, but because of YOU and also Siuis I said NO, I will draw something and post it.

I am... almost disappointed at how smooth my lineart turned out :smallconfused:

Your ability to draw Derpy so well in 10 minutes flat disgusts me! To the moon! :smallwink:

But seriously, that is an excellent pony for such a short amount of time. Also hi! I've been lurking the drawthreads for a while now...I should probably go post in Thanqol's thread too...

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-24, 01:47 AM
Your ability to draw Derpy so well in 10 minutes flat disgusts me! To the moon! :smallwink:

But seriously, that is an excellent pony for such a short amount of time. Also hi! I've been lurking the drawthreads for a while now...I should probably go post in Thanqol's thread too...
Haha, I was literally indignant when I was finished. I didn't expect anything remotely passable, let alone something people would like, including myself! Also: thanks for chiming in! The more the merrier ^^

Day 51 - 6.9
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9946/day51.png
Yeah, I couldn't let yesterday sit without spending actual time on a pony. Hey whoa, decided to throw in a *background* as well. Sheez I'm living on the edge here, people.

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-25, 12:53 AM
Day 52 - IRC Requests
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/949/day52.png
So, when asking the ponythread irc channel what I should draw, the lesson learned here is the answer is probably going be some combination of "ponies" and "barely even makes sense with context".

Turned out alright, I think. MLP:FiM is a nice and simple style, and I really like using that fat pen. Not a style for everything, but I'm starting to get the feel for this one, and that's a good thing I think. (I won't be drawing ponies every day, I promise!)

TheAmishPirate
2011-11-29, 12:07 AM
Idoooooo, don't make me get out the good beatin' stick again!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-29, 09:34 AM
Thanksgiving + Family + Actually found this AMAZING cache of anatomy tutorials and studies that I have actually been reading and processing = A few days to relax from most commitments, but coming back strong tonight with a good handful of practice drawings.

Sometimes you just gotta do some booklearnin' instead of pencilwork. No worries, I'm back tonight and I will have something to show for it :smallwink:

*chases Amish with beatstick*

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-29, 11:33 PM
Day 53 - Proportionally better
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8696/day53.png
So, I spent the last several days digesting all seven of the amazing anatomy tutorials that Silviya linked to in Thanqol's drawthread. They were, in short, exactly the studies that I was looking for. I'm so thankful for these, they have been nothing if not eye-opening on all the stuff I haven't figured out on my own (read: pretty much everything).

So! Here is my second first attempt at putting what I've read and seen into practice. The first one looked similar, but as soon as I finished I realized I made the poor guy like 3 and a half heads wide instead of two and a half, and he looked like he had eaten a small volkswagon.

This guy is my first real attempt at proportions and some rough musculature while thinking I know what I'm doing. He is 8 heads tall, 2.5 heads wide. His arms and legs are their proper lengths and I FINALLY have a good point of reference on where to take the hands down (and finger length as well). He doesn't have a face and I only draw the shape of the feet, but I did give him modesty hulkpants, and I am really pretty happy with how this turned out.

Also as I side note, I've been pretty pleased with this brush thickness from the last few days. For some bizarre reason a 45px brush on a 300ppi A4 canvas just feels right.

Gonna try and get some poses and different angles out tomorrow, but this is has been a groundbreaking step for me today, I believe. (Of course this is an open invitation to tear it all down around me if I have just missed the point completely)

Domochevsky
2011-11-30, 06:45 AM
Eh, just don't make the mistake of only thinking in heads and measurements. We'd rather not have everyone be of the same height and size. :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-30, 09:39 AM
Very true! I just haven't been thinking about proportions and exact numbers at all, so at least some in the mix should be an improvement? Plus, I figure, people have different sized heads, right? And proportions change as people age, I think this "8 heads" deal is specifically the rule of thumb for adult males? The tutorials were saying 7 or 7.5 for women, and while it didn't go into children, I'm pretty sure that a baby isn't 8 heads tall. At... least I hope not :smalleek:

Overall, I'm less excited over the specific heads tall deal than I am over having a good way to gauge the length and joint placement for limbs. Maybe my people won't be (as) stubby or gangly anymore!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-11-30, 11:49 PM
Day 54 - Winners never Quit
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7191/day54.png
Just time and energy to get the pose and skellington done tonight. I like this from the waist up. The legs and feet feel funny to me, but my power levels are dropping too low to be useful. Ima sleep on this and get started early when I get home from work tomorrow. This will definitely haunt me in my sleep...

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-12-05, 11:15 PM
I... am... alive!

Day 55 - Scum of the Earth
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9684/day55.png
Not much to say on this now, except here it is, it's a person. Trying a little bit of action pose. Singing's an action, right?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-12-07, 10:46 PM
Day 56 - Sleepytimes
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1673/day56.png
It would seem that as exhaustion draws stronger and stronger, I draw more ponies. Ah well. Nothing special to report here for today, I suppose. There's that tree again.

Domochevsky
2011-12-08, 10:40 AM
Started out good but then i saw the squiggly lines in the upper right. That better not be leafes. :smallwink:

(Rapper guy looks solid overall. Weird right fist and i'm not entirely sure about his leg size differences, given his pose, but apart from that... :smallsmile: )

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-12-08, 10:11 PM
Started out good but then i saw the squiggly lines in the upper right. That better not be leafes. :smallwink:
Confession time!

I don't know how to draw leaves. Not without spending hours and hours doing them individually D: Scribbles work on trees at a distance, but it all falls apart close up...


(Rapper guy looks solid overall. Weird right fist and i'm not entirely sure about his leg size differences, given his pose, but apart from that... :smallsmile: )
Yeah, my ska guy's (what, isn't it obvious?) right fist exists in noneuclidean space, and is apparently unable to be properly expressed in merely two dimensions. That or I'm still bad at hands :S Also you are very right about that leg. I think... it should be both a bit bigger, and a bit further down and to the left of the page?


Day 57 - Leave 'em Hanging
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4512/day57.png
So, I've realized something that has been bothering me about my tablet drawing, and that is the fact that I don't have my brushes set up to vary in darkness with my pressure, like a regular pencil does. I spent a good 20 -30 minutes exploring my different options that Elements has available to me.

Then... then I frigged them all up, I don't know how to get back to default, so I gave up and did a hand study http://i.imgur.com/CYF9U.png

Enjoy!

(Hopefully I can get this straightened out by tomorrow, that's when I was planning on doing my art updrage :smallfrown:)

Domochevsky
2011-12-09, 10:04 AM
Shoddy example, go! o/

http://wildwestscifi.net/Misc/Challenge/LTD_Hand.png

(Personal secret: I have the density control disabled by default for my linework. It's all solid black. The only thing that changes is line width. Much cleaner and makes it easier to work curves. >_> )

Also: I can't draw leaves either.

SiuiS
2011-12-11, 06:10 PM
okie doke, posting this now so I can edit stuff in. Consider it the forum version of repeatedly saving every couple minutes.

FIRST! wehavethe late and now no-longer-relevant spiel about anatomy.
My suggestion for non-tutorial learning is pornography. Sometimes they do useless marvel superhero poses, but most of the time a discerning eye can pick out anatomical functions and combinations. Otherwise, you're looking at years and years of subtle osmosis.

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/da5c29cd.jpg
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/c8e866eb.jpg

Examples of what have helped me build anatomical insigh. Over the last 13 years.



Thanksgiving + Family + Actually found this AMAZING cache of anatomy tutorials and studies that I have actually been reading and processing = A few days to relax from most commitments, but coming back strong tonight with a good handful of practice drawings.

Sometimes you just gotta do some booklearnin' instead of pencilwork. No worries, I'm back tonight and I will have something to show for it :smallwink:

*chases Amish with beatstick*

Good stuff. An indrawn, chrysalis stage is sometimes needed. The drawing in of energy before springing forth from the seed.

Posted in thanqol's art thread you say?


Day 53 - Proportionally better
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8696/day53.png
So, I spent the last several days digesting all seven of the amazing anatomy tutorials that Silviya linked to in Thanqol's drawthread. They were, in short, exactly the studies that I was looking for. I'm so thankful for these, they have been nothing if not eye-opening on all the stuff I haven't figured out on my own (read: pretty much everything).

So! Here is my second first attempt at putting what I've read and seen into practice. The first one looked similar, but as soon as I finished I realized I made the poor guy like 3 and a half heads wide instead of two and a half, and he looked like he had eaten a small volkswagon.

This guy is my first real attempt at proportions and some rough musculature while thinking I know what I'm doing. He is 8 heads tall, 2.5 heads wide. His arms and legs are their proper lengths and I FINALLY have a good point of reference on where to take the hands down (and finger length as well). He doesn't have a face and I only draw the shape of the feet, but I did give him modesty hulkpants, and I am really pretty happy with how this turned out.

Also as I side note, I've been pretty pleased with this brush thickness from the last few days. For some bizarre reason a 45px brush on a 300ppi A4 canvas just feels right.

Gonna try and get some poses and different angles out tomorrow, but this is has been a groundbreaking step for me today, I believe. (Of course this is an open invitation to tear it all down around me if I have just missed the point completely)

Very nice. Consider frame of reference though; head measure is arbitrary. Instead of "he's too wide" I see his head being too small. Everything else looks like what I'd expect from a body builder proportions-wise so assuming 95% is wrong instead of 5% is wrong is he kind of rut you want to avoid.

It's very well done, too. Just be careful about learning leg art in the side-by-side knees locked position; you'll start to suffer from "draw straight leg, Photoshop it in half" art structure. The knee is a fabulous mechanism; it's one of like, 5 bones off-hand that exists in a floating state within other tissues rather than directly attached. It's a cop-style floating armor piece over an otherwise unprotected hinge, which is where the knee's distinctive shape comes from.


Confession time!

I don't know how to draw leaves. Not without spending hours and hours doing them individually D: Scribbles work on trees at a distance, but it all falls apart close up...


Yeah, my ska guy's (what, isn't it obvious?) right fist exists in noneuclidean space, and is apparently unable to be properly expressed in merely two dimensions. That or I'm still bad at hands :S Also you are very right about that leg. I think... it should be both a bit bigger, and a bit further down and to the left of the page?

You're drawin lines from the waist down, not putting lines onto a person :P

Remember, even if you can't see it, everything connects. His left thigh; shouldn't that line start to tuck upward around the hamstring before fleshing out and rounding into the curve of the buttock? That's the biggest issue, because that thigh looks too fat and I think you too all your proportion cues from the thigh.

The pose is awkward, but not impossible. I am speaking of his frot leg ending in his back foot, and his back leg ending in the nearest foot, of course. Novel, dynamic and unstable.



Day 57 - Leave 'em Hanging
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4512/day57.png
So, I've realized something that has been bothering me about my tablet drawing, and that is the fact that I don't have my brushes set up to vary in darkness with my pressure, like a regular pencil does. I spent a good 20 -30 minutes exploring my different options that Elements has available to me.

Then... then I frigged them all up, I don't know how to get back to default, so I gave up and did a hand study http://i.imgur.com/CYF9U.png

Enjoy!

(Hopefully I can get this straightened out by tomorrow, that's when I was planning on doing my art updrage :smallfrown:)

Very nice! Good hand work and the line thickness looks intentional (leaps and bounds beyond my own skill >>;). I approve!

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-12-12, 11:40 PM
WARNING! Capt. Ido's caffeine dropped off HARD in the middle of this post, but he had written a few parts towards the end first. As a result the apparent sanity and comprehensibility of this post goes up and down seemingly at random. You have been warned.


Shoddy example, go! o/

http://wildwestscifi.net/Misc/Challenge/LTD_Hand.png

(Personal secret: I have the density control disabled by default for my linework. It's all solid black. The only thing that changes is line width. Much cleaner and makes it easier to work curves. >_> )

Also: I can't draw leaves either.
Density control. You mean like... opacity, or how light/dark the lines are? I think I have mine set like that by default, but on that particular day, I don't know what I did with my brush settings ^^;; I fixed it though! Now I can draw regular again! I do like the clean look, though I've been missing pencils lately.

I will be eternally grateful to whoever can show me how to draw leaves en mass well D:


okie doke, posting this now so I can edit stuff in. Consider it the forum version of repeatedly saving every couple minutes.

FIRST! wehavethe late and now no-longer-relevant spiel about anatomy.
My suggestion for non-tutorial learning is pornography. Sometimes they do useless marvel superhero poses, but most of the time a discerning eye can pick out anatomical functions and combinations. Otherwise, you're looking at years and years of subtle osmosis.

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/da5c29cd.jpg
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/c8e866eb.jpg

Examples of what have helped me build anatomical insigh. Over the last 13 years.

Late, perhaps, no longer relevant? NEVER! Years and years of subtle osmosis, I think I can dig it. I'll give a spin over to my library and see if I can find those books, or perhaps that glass skull you have there... A good book never hurt.



Good stuff. An indrawn, chrysalis stage is sometimes needed. The drawing in of energy before springing forth from the seed.

Posted in thanqol's art thread you say?

Yup, right here! (http://bittersweetdisease.deviantart.com/art/UNDERSTANDING-ANATOMY-part-I-220251993?q=favby%3Asilviya7%2F44513469&qo=27)


Very nice. Consider frame of reference though; head measure is arbitrary. Instead of "he's too wide" I see his head being too small. Everything else looks like what I'd expect from a body builder proportions-wise so assuming 95% is wrong instead of 5% is wrong is he kind of rut you want to avoid.

It's very well done, too. Just be careful about learning leg art in the side-by-side knees locked position; you'll start to suffer from "draw straight leg, Photoshop it in half" art structure. The knee is a fabulous mechanism; it's one of like, 5 bones off-hand that exists in a floating state within other tissues rather than directly attached. It's a cop-style floating armor piece over an otherwise unprotected hinge, which is where the knee's distinctive shape comes from.
Head measure is arbitrary! I did decide that I would base that guy off the head as the base measurement, so his head looked super teeny. I think I could have made it work with some adjustments, but this was the body shape I was going for. Good point on the rut though. ... Gosh, I was just about to give an excuse for that. Dang, like everything I'm saying and planning on saying is excuses explaining my decisions. MAN CUT IT OUT, IDO.

The knee is a lot more complicated than I thought. I mean, I knew the basic biology behind it, but I didn't realize that the representation of it was as difficult and subtle as it is! I thought it was like, horizontal swoosh done. I will keep in mind not to always lock the legs. Kinda fun to draw it that way though, all the same DOING IT AGAIN AUGH yes Siuis sir .__.



You're drawin lines from the waist down, not putting lines onto a person :P
See, I read the words, and I do not understand what they mean. What do?



Remember, even if you can't see it, everything connects. His left thigh; shouldn't that line start to tuck upward around the hamstring before fleshing out and rounding into the curve of the buttock? That's the biggest issue, because that thigh looks too fat and I think you too all your proportion cues from the thigh.

The pose is awkward, but not impossible. I am speaking of his frot leg ending in his back foot, and his back leg ending in the nearest foot, of course. Novel, dynamic and unstable.
First paragraph: yes.

Second paragraph: I could very much see the pose that this guy is doing in my head, but the "perspective" on his legs and feet placement escape me :smallsigh: It probably isn't very stable even if I did get it right, but then again I kind of have this as a dynamic pose, a snapshot of a singer mid song, so maybe he wouldn't look very balanced in a specific instant? Also I may have unintentionally given this a weird "camera angle". I don't remember if I meant to do that, or if it just happened...



Very nice! Good hand work and the line thickness looks intentional (leaps and bounds beyond my own skill >>;). I approve!

^///^

Moving on, Day 58 is my Line Weight/technique that I posted in the other thread yesterday. Tomorrow for everyone's sake I am doing to resize and link to them from here :)

Day 59 - Derpy Practice
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/229/day59.png
Just doin' some quick(ish) doodles tonight. I have decided that I will have an undertaking concerning my favorite Derpy on the side, but before that I need to 1) get this form down and 2) draw it more quickly, both of which I need work on. Cleanup will come later, and will be easier once I have this nonsense nailed down a bit more. Don't worry, I won't be filling this up with her. Though to be fair, I think I will probably use poni as a starting point for more complex anatomy studies later on. I realized that MLP, which simple, still uses techniques that can carry over to drawing peoples, perspective, and more, so at the least, I can get some training wheels under me instead of being pulled in a wagon.

Day 60 is underway right now, but won't be posted until tomorrow, when it will be posted in conjuncture with Day 61. I'm trying to get some ground made up from before, but at the same time I'm getting exhausted, and that's not the best state to draw in if I want to improve...

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-12-14, 11:30 PM
Lesson learned: when I finish a piece, save it for web, and then upload it to the web, the next step in this order is not "go to sleep" it turns out it's actually "post the picture". I'm so smart you guys :smallamused:

Day 60 - Bright Eyes
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2118/day60.png
Yet more derpy, this time face. Derpy is fantastic practice at this form in general, even though I only got it right like once. It's nice to draw, in any case. Moving right along!

Day 61 - Ido's Request Chatroom
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2554/day61.png
"Hey irc, what should I draw next? First three suggestions get made."

"Midnight!"
"Rampaging giant Smarty Pants!"
"Mountain of Avocados!"

Domochevsky
2011-12-15, 01:21 AM
I see day 60 took a good dose of Mavpel dust there. :smallbiggrin:

Tectonic Robot
2011-12-15, 04:17 PM
Huh, the captain has a draw thread? I wonder if...


Day 52 - IRC Requests
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/949/day52.png
So, when asking the ponythread irc channel what I should draw, the lesson learned here is the answer is probably going be some combination of "ponies" and "barely even makes sense with context".

Turned out alright, I think. MLP:FiM is a nice and simple style, and I really like using that fat pen. Not a style for everything, but I'm starting to get the feel for this one, and that's a good thing I think. (I won't be drawing ponies every day, I promise!)
...

*follows thread*


...Do you take requests?

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-12-21, 11:29 PM
I see day 60 took a good dose of Mavpel dust there. :smallbiggrin:
If my Mavpel you mean muffins, then PROBABLY!

Day 62 - Simple Joy
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/656/day62.png

I know I said that the thick brush was good, but you know what, I'm not so disappointed how a thin line turned out either! I have to keep convincing myself that I'm not wasting all my time drawing pony though. Practice is practice at this point :smalleek:

Capt. Ido Nos
2011-12-24, 12:50 AM
So, just a quick qualifier: this is actually yesterday's work, but I spent more than twice as long as I normally do on any given day. It was originally going to be a fast 15 minute sketch, then I really got into it, next thing I know it was nearly 2am and I needed sleep. I was going to post it and go to bed, but then I got a mistake pointed out, and it was too late to fix it, so I just did that tonight, so here we are!

Day 63 - Ritzy Doo
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5873/day63fixed1kpx.png
This is the final piece, below are last night's lineart and colored piece unedited:

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5360/day63.png
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8899/day63color.png
I keep drawing the necks too long, and so I made myself fix it after the fact, because even on MLP, proper proportions are important! It was a bit of a pain to fix, but worth it, I think. If anything, I can sleep better about it.


A little bit of color work along with the typical lineart. Definitely not the fastest color method I went with, but it was fun to scrape out, and at this point that counts for a lot in my book. Thanks goes out to Topaz for giving me the subject matter idea :smallwink:

Domochevsky
2011-12-24, 09:36 AM
Well, bonus points for showmanship, i'd say. Now pull a bunny out of that hat. :smallbiggrin:

Thanqol
2012-01-01, 06:23 PM
This here was why the rules for my Drawthread were 'one piece, every day, no excuses'. Because once you let yourself make one excuse then you'll let yourself make a dozen. Priorities will slip. You can put it off, and put it off, and put it off and forget about it all together and then remember four weeks later and promise yourself you'll get caught up on the weekend but something else will come up -

You broke the flow, Ido. You had a good reason, sure, but you let that good reason kill your momentum. And you've lapsed as a result. It's better to spare 15 minutes to draw, even in an otherwise hellish day, if for no other reason than to make a promise to yourself that this is temporary.

TheAmishPirate
2012-01-01, 07:24 PM
This here was why the rules for my Drawthread were 'one piece, every day, no excuses'. Because once you let yourself make one excuse then you'll let yourself make a dozen. Priorities will slip. You can put it off, and put it off, and put it off and forget about it all together and then remember four weeks later and promise yourself you'll get caught up on the weekend but something else will come up -

You broke the flow, Ido. You had a good reason, sure, but you let that good reason kill your momentum. And you've lapsed as a result. It's better to spare 15 minutes to draw, even in an otherwise hellish day, if for no other reason than to make a promise to yourself that this is temporary.

Listen to the Masked Pony, Ido. This thing here is worth doing right, and it's hard to watch a good artist such as yourself not get the practice they need because of excuses.

Domochevsky
2012-01-02, 05:07 AM
Whelp, Ido, you brought this on yourself. Your hat has been confiscated, until further notice. :smallcool:

http://wildwestscifi.net/Misc/captidosquaresmall_edited.png

You will get it back once you've proven your mettle by going for 2 weeks straight, with 14 pieces of art, minimum. :smalltongue:

Sean Mirrsen
2012-01-02, 05:19 AM
I wonder, if one does 14 pieces of art in one day, does that allow for a two week hiatus?

Domochevsky
2012-01-02, 06:05 AM
No. "update daily" is the base rule. "14 pieces of art" is the extension of that. He is free to make more per day if he wants but it wont get him his hat back faster. (But it might be reason for lenience on future slacking.) :smallcool:

Thanqol
2012-01-02, 07:10 PM
I wonder, if one does 14 pieces of art in one day, does that allow for a two week hiatus?

"No backlog" is one of the rules. This isn't a webcomic, this is self improvement. Those are bonus pictures, not excuses. The point of the challenge is to have a minimum you work to so drawing becomes a habit rather than work.

The natural conclusion of the process is that eventually drawing becomes so natural and fun that you choose to update multiple times in one day, which is what's happened to some degree with me. There's infinite room to scale up, but you can't scale down below a 10 minute scribble.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-08, 05:25 PM
*returns, is immediately beset upon by extremely deserved botherings/hattheft*

Wwwwwhelp. H-... here I am? Almost exactly guilty as charged saved for one thing that I won't go into, because excuses are excuses and I don't want to go there (though if Shadow of the Sun decides he'd like to post my secret santa gift it would show what I've been doing all this time).

Anywho, I'm exhausted from the holidays still, sadly enough. More sad for me is that it's no excuse so I am GETTING MY SORRY BUTT BACK IN FRONT OF THE DRAWMACHINE AND DRAWING ME A DRAWING.

Day 64 - Warmup poni
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/7069/day64.png
Really this is the only thing my system can reliably produce after doing nothing but work on derpy drawings for two weeks offline in various extents. Just getting this one last girl out there to shake it out of me, and tomorrow will be something humanoid if I can manage it.

To everyone: thanks a TON for griping about me not doing this. Seriously. I'd be depressed as heck if this all went by without incident. Side projects or not, this is one of the most important things I'm doing, and I can't just ignore it. Maybe I'll even earn my hat bat after this.

(amusing sidenote: When Sean wondered aloud what would happen if I showed up with 14 drawings in a day, that day I actually did coincidentally churn out like ten or eleven pieces >_>;; )

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-09, 10:00 PM
Day 65 - Dr. Enforcicle
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3060/day65.png
Just trading one pastime for another today!

stabby stab

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-10, 10:40 PM
Man that was boring let's get back to what's really worthwhile drawing!

Day 66 - Training Grounds
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7424/day66.png

So of course the day after I say I'm going to take a break from the ponies, ED comes out with another Artists Training session at a time when I'm actually able to follow it. This time's theme is "War Games", or something to that effect, with today the first day's challenge being to draw a pony in armor. This obviously meant that I had to draw Twilight wearing traditional elven armor from LotR.

I'm actually pretty happy with this one, though it might be the fever and drugs talking (I'm sick). We'll see what I think in a few days once the cloud clears. I did get some good pointers about line thickness on the detail, and my inking of the sketch seems to have gone well. *nods*

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-11, 11:35 PM
Not a lot of time to babble at length tonight, but here we go all the same:

Day 67 - Bring Harmony to the Force
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5461/day67.png

Thanqol
2012-01-12, 08:50 PM
Not a lot of time to babble at length tonight, but here we go all the same:

Day 67 - Bring Harmony to the Force
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5461/day67.png

- All the weight is on her right elbow-upper-arm thing. That'd make it snap like a twig. If you want to stand on one arm, it has to be straight.
- The mane on top of her head is too straight, it's like a rectangle. Twi has a pretty long fringe.
- Tail does not line up with itself where it crosses the leg.

Otherwise, good concept and totally my original idea before I realised that a hundred other ponies would draw it :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-12, 10:25 PM
- All the weight is on her right elbow-upper-arm thing. That'd make it snap like a twig. If you want to stand on one arm, it has to be straight.
- The mane on top of her head is too straight, it's like a rectangle. Twi has a pretty long fringe.
- Tail does not line up with itself where it crosses the leg.

Otherwise, good concept and totally my original idea before I realised that a hundred other ponies would draw it :smallwink:
Thanqol you have managed to pick out exactly the three parts I was least happy with XD

- I could NOT for the life of me figure that arm out. It just looked awkward no matter how I did it :S Straight down looked weird, especially with her big fat head, and curved any more was just obviously wrong...
- <dark, shuddery voice dripping with malice>Hairrrrrrrr.....</dark, shuddery voice dripping with malice>
- Yeah I didn't line that up as well as I thought I did >:|

Glad you liked the rest though! Also glad I was able to think of *something* for "training day". I figured "pony with a sword" was going to be done more than once, you know?


Day 68 - Elsie
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5417/day68.png
Today is a really really weird feeling where I have the need to draw, but absolutely no inspiration on what to draw. So, a little asking around and I settled for just throwing together a laser cow and seeing what happened.

SUPER sketchy, yes I know 6___6

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-14, 12:48 AM
Okay, gonna try and return to a specific form while we're recovering on the daily habit as well. Good news too, for those wonderful people following this thread who are super awesome I don't say this enough: no ponies today! The EQD's artist training ground has been held up for technical problems, so the 5 day barrage is delayed until next week sometime. In the meanwhile, I'm going to try the ol' human form while I can catch a break.

Day 69 - Handsome
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/771/day69.png
Time spent: 30 minutes
Music: Discord Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS3hvIgTepQ)
References:
http://www.elfwood.com/farp/hand/Untitled-21.JPGhttp://www.elfwood.com/farp/hand/Untitled-19.JPGhttp://www.elfwood.com/farp/hand/aUntitled-16.JPG

I hate drawing hands. Therefore, I should probably practice drawing more hands until I finally learn it. Slowly, ever so slowly getting there, I think. Crazy enough, Saeyan's line art exercise in addition to some incidental line weight reading I've run across have actually helped me out with today and the past few days. While I'm always and forever in the search for a general-use line weight that feels right, I do have some good guidelines for drawing my large outlines versus the details. While the content is not 100% satisfactory, I think the form is coming along. I'll take improvement where I can get it!

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-15, 03:27 AM
D&D ran like, three hours over, but as always, in the end it was worth it. I'm totally dead right now, but here's a quick sketch all the same.

Day 70 - This is for Spike
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/831/day70.png
Time: 15 minutes
Music: Dog Days are Over, Pentatonix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_VCF-9IrOE)

It's curious how I try and get everything perfect, even when it's just a quick and dirty sketch. It's curious how personal an encounter against an imaginary dragon can become, too.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-16, 01:59 AM
Day 71 - Caiman Days
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4142/day71k.png
Time Spent: 20 minutes
Reference: http://www.arthurgrosset.com/mammals/photos/caiman21800.jpg

A little mixing it up to fix it up tonight. I have a fondness for drawing reptiles, been drawing a lot of equines lately, felt like I should normalize this all a bit.

Overall, some more practice on working quickly from a reference, as well as playing around with textures for interest. I'm really bad at filling whitespace with the stuff...

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-16, 11:34 PM
Day 72 - Art Improvement (lesson 2, part 1)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3896/day72.png
Time spent: 1 hour
Tunes: The Fragrance of Dark Coffee (http://endlessvideo.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k)
Reference: http://www.kestan.com/travel/dc/monument/images/IMG_7792%20Capitol%20Building%20w%20senate%20side, %20forsythia%20%28good%29.JPG

Today is the first half of the current assignment for Saeyan's art improvement. I'd wanted to knock this all out in one sitting, but that did not end up happening. In the interest of not passing out in the middle of this, I'm packing it in for tonight and doing the second half tomorrow. Feel free to tear me down and say it's horrible in the meanwhile, hehe. Be back tomorrow folks!

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-18, 12:16 AM
Day 73 - Doing it live
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9895/day73.png
Time spent: 1 hour
Tunes: At the Winter Gala (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo8awujLA1Q)

The second half of yesterday's first half, this time taking my lineart and imagining a light source, and shading it up nice. However, it occurs to me that I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing with shading/coloring as a whole. I sort of know the basics in theory, but when I'm sitting down to fill it in, I'm pretty much clueless. I'm deeply looking forward to being able to pick up photoshop proper, so that I can have actual control over the brush presets like I did back at school. Elements brushes are no good at all for this, or at least if they are that's a black magic which escapes me. Bluh bluh. This is going to be one of those entries that I hide away and try to forget...

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-19, 12:50 AM
My old nemesis strikes again, ye olde artists block! I think I ended up sitting and staring at blank canvas for the better part of an hour. Fortunately, I said forget that and went to my trust idea well to see what I could fish up.

Of course my idea well is the internet, and of course the internet told me "ponies". Not really sure why I ever think it'll tell me something different each time I ask :smallconfused:

Day 74 - Yarrtist's Block
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4899/day74.png
Time spent: 1ish hours
Music: Renard/Dartmouth Aires playlist

Y'all get three guesses as to which member of this forum suggested this, and the first two don't count.

Anywho, tried something out different for me with the coloring. I needed something light and fun after yesterday's gloomy shadow failure practice, so this works well actually. Not the best thing ever, but eh, I feel like I'm in a bit of a slump right now, so anything that I don't hate is welcome 6_6

TheAmishPirate
2012-01-19, 02:03 PM
:smallbiggrin:

Just a few notes from what I can see:

-The neck looks awfully long. I remember your last big derpy picture, you had the same issue. Just something to watch out for
-On a similar note, the legs look really short.

That being said, I do like the way you drew the face on this one. It's not traditional pony, but it's adorable nonetheless. As far as stuff to draw, here's a bunch of random stuff I thought of:

-Random tech things (headphones, detailed mice, that sort of thing)
-Dancing robots
-Layout of a room (yay perspective)
-A panda bear
-Jazz hands

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-19, 10:50 PM
:smallbiggrin:

Just a few notes from what I can see:

-The neck looks awfully long. I remember your last big derpy picture, you had the same issue. Just something to watch out for
-On a similar note, the legs look really short.

That being said, I do like the way you drew the face on this one. It's not traditional pony, but it's adorable nonetheless. As far as stuff to draw, here's a bunch of random stuff I thought of:

-Random tech things (headphones, detailed mice, that sort of thing)
-Dancing robots
-Layout of a room (yay perspective)
-A panda bear
-Jazz hands
Thanks sir! Yayyy input!

I'm not certain on the legs, but you are totally right. I think I seem to subconsciously rather want to prefer to watch My Little Giraffes or something to that effect, because I'm not even aware of the super long necks until well after I've posted :smallconfused: The legs *might* be too short, but that might be just the appearance with the long neck, I'm not sure. Definitely a chance you're right though...

I'm glad you liked the face! I felt like mixing it up a bit. Speaking of mixing it up a bit!

Day 75 - Solution
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/7824/day75.png
Time spent: 45 minutes
Music: Party Rock Anthem/Winter Wrap up

So this is the result of my own thought process. This was the ultimate endpoint off the starter idea of "dancing robots". After a couple of false starts, I ended up with this, which is, I suppose, simultaneously an anatomy study as well as a concept for a character I've been trying to get some polish on for years. I dunno, I kind of like it? Favorite thing I've drawn all week. The arm feels about right, and I am totally practicing with varying line depths aren't you proud of me, Saeyan??? :D

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-21, 01:51 AM
Oh man you guys. So it turns out having a massive outbreak of viruses on the company network at 4pm on a Friday afternoon doesn't correlate to super great creativity when I sit down to make something! I'm really not feeling doing a clean version of this sketch right now, but I feel like I will in the future, so I will leave this mess here as a launching point in the future. It's actually related to yesterday's piece if you can believe it. Gotta love how my brain works. In any case...

Day 76 - It is the Dark inaccessible
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9494/day76.png
Time spent: 30 minutes
Tunes listened: various by Mayhem
References: lots of bugs, take my word for it

I have to deal with gross bugs all night apparently translates to me making the rest of yall deal with the same.

In any case, super messy sketchy sketch tonight, but I can actually see a direction for this to go. I'm going to file this under the "revisit" pile and take another shot at it one day when my sanity doesn't resemble my lineart, haha. Still feel free to tell me it looks stupid though, as always.

Kyouhen
2012-01-21, 05:16 PM
Actually I think it looks pretty cool. I vote you come back to it at some point in the future and colour it, it would be interesting to see what type of colour scheme you'd use for it.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-22, 12:34 AM
Actually I think it looks pretty cool. I vote you come back to it at some point in the future and colour it, it would be interesting to see what type of colour scheme you'd use for it.

I'm glad you like it! Not going to lie, I get really sheepish showing off things that I essentially create from whole cloth like this. Once I figure out how to do coloring past cell-style shading, I will come back and finish this bug :smallsmile:

-----------------------

Tonight's drawing is a deep introspective piece that I've mulling over in the back of my mind for some time now. It sort of represents my culminating self within the self and DERPY HOOVES

Day 77 - Perfect Joy
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9272/day77.png
Time spent: 1 hour 20 minutes
References: a few minutes worth of poniburu, Days 60 and 62
Tunes: Mayhem

Really, there was no way that today was going to be anything BUT a Derpy picture. I sat down to fill a page with lots of little doodles, then something weird happened - I drew a perfect circle for her head. After that I couldn't do anything but fuss and bother over this single piece. Oh well! Plans go out the window more often than not, but more often than not I like the direction I end up taking.

I'm staring at this, I'm pretty sure the neck isn't too long. Gonna have to sleep on it again and see what happens tomorrow. These always change on me overnight :smallconfused:

I am really liking this coloring method. It's so fast! Maybe only 20 minutes to get the whole thing filled in, with a lot of that spent on fussing over the eyes. Before that would have taken me a full our of scribbling and mucking about. This time, I had my color reference filled out, boom boom boom done. Love it!

I'm thinking there might be a use for this one yet...

Kyouhen
2012-01-22, 01:11 AM
D'awwww, she's so cute! Her neck looks fine to me. Actually I think the problem with the pirate one might have been that her head was a little small or squishy or something, and with the sitting pose it just made her neck look longer. This one looks great though.

Any chance you could post a bit of an explanation for this colour method of yours? I like to see how different people do things to see if there's any way to improve my own efforts. (Though in this case it won't really help me, but I plan on getting a tablet eventually and it's never too early to learn. :smalltongue:)

TheAmishPirate
2012-01-22, 01:30 PM
Hey Ido? I know what you should draw tonight...

Ido => Pick up hat in VICTORY

Domochevsky
2012-01-22, 02:30 PM
Has it been 14 days already? :smallconfused:

TheAmishPirate
2012-01-22, 07:23 PM
Has it been 14 days already? :smallconfused:

I think so. He restarted on with Day 64, tonight is Day 78, and I haven't seen him miss a day.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-23, 12:34 AM
D'awwww, she's so cute! Her neck looks fine to me. Actually I think the problem with the pirate one might have been that her head was a little small or squishy or something, and with the sitting pose it just made her neck look longer. This one looks great though.

Any chance you could post a bit of an explanation for this colour method of yours? I like to see how different people do things to see if there's any way to improve my own efforts. (Though in this case it won't really help me, but I plan on getting a tablet eventually and it's never too early to learn. :smalltongue:)

Fortunately, it's actually fairly simple and straightforward! In fact I suppose I've known about it for years now, but I haven't been able to do it any justice without actually owning a tablet (or being proficient to ink properly) to have a prepped image to work with.

Here it is: Step 0: Do a little cleanup/config first. Have only your layers of final lineart visible. Make sure your lines are unbroken and continuous, with a smidge of thickness, a bit thicker than if you had just used a single light pencil stroke, at least.

Step 1: Magic wand tool out, set it to select across all (visible) layers. Go ahead and select the areas you want colored. Shift+click to select multiple areas if you know it's all going to be one color.

Step 2: Now that you have selected some whitespace, go and modify your selection. Modify>Expand, and choose an amount that will move the edge of your selection to be somewhere in the middle of the actual lines in your lineart. I find that 3-5px does the trick for me.

Step 3: Bucket tool out! Pick the color you want, and fill 'er up!

Repeat 1-3 as much as you like, on however many layers you choose. After you are finished coloring, move your lineart layer to the top. Use a regular brush for touch-ups.

And that's it! You're done! The idea here is that this solves the problem of the ugly white border when you just directly bucket-fill white spaces. Instead of filling up to a vaguely defined area around your lineart, this places the borders of the colors to within the area of your lines, if that makes any sense. I wasn't able to get this done for the life of me when photoshopping paper and pencil scans, since my pencil lineart is actually fairly faint with thin lines that pick up poorly. The tablet lets my line be as fat and happy as I want, which lets me have easily selectable areas, and plenty of fudge room for the colors to be.

Of course this might not be valid for anything outside of Photoshop, but I haven't really used any other program, so I can't say with certainty >_>

If you have any questions, or if I horribly botched that, please let me know! ^^;;



Hey Ido? I know what you should draw tonight...

Ido => Pick up hat in VICTORY


Has it been 14 days already? :smallconfused:


I think so. He restarted on with Day 64, tonight is Day 78, and I haven't seen him miss a day.
The Amishm'n is right, today is the 14th day since my return to regular postings like the good little artist I really wish I could be :D To be safe though, I will not retrieve my hat until tomorrow. Not going to lie, it doesn't feel like it's been two weeks, but the maths speak the truth!

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Day 78 - Jazz Hands!
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7125/day78.png

Time spent: 30 minutes
Tunes: More Mayhem I will run this playlist into the GROUND
Reference: via poniboru (http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/51a94a35d99992fd50fbb9d138084245/110561%20-%20Belfast%20giant%20giantess%20giant_ponies%20ire land%20Lyra.png)

Being a little silly today! Going for something fun and colorful, rather than strictly neat or tidy. Also: I like abusing the letter of the law/Amish in general. I'm pretty pleased with this all the same, I think I'm on to something...

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-23, 11:15 PM
Day 79 - Ido => Pick up hat in VICTORY
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5049/day79.png
Time spent: 30-45 minutes
Musics: A203 Nightmares (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0npDgQ_vSA&feature=related)

I did it! Two solid weeks of updates! I'm back, baby!

... wait, this isn't my hat :smallconfused:

Thanqol
2012-01-23, 11:34 PM
... wait, this isn't my hat :smallconfused:

That isn't your money or your thread idea either! :smallfurious:

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-23, 11:37 PM
That isn't your money or your thread idea either! :smallfurious:
Oh nooooo! http://i.imgur.com/0yCfw.png

*runs away to the only safe place he knows*

Kyouhen
2012-01-24, 02:15 AM
Fortunately, it's actually fairly simple and straightforward! In fact I suppose I've known about it for years now, but I haven't been able to do it any justice without actually owning a tablet (or being proficient to ink properly) to have a prepped image to work with.

Here it is: Step 0: Do a little cleanup/config first. Have only your layers of final lineart visible. Make sure your lines are unbroken and continuous, with a smidge of thickness, a bit thicker than if you had just used a single light pencil stroke, at least.

Step 1: Magic wand tool out, set it to select across all (visible) layers. Go ahead and select the areas you want colored. Shift+click to select multiple areas if you know it's all going to be one color.

Step 2: Now that you have selected some whitespace, go and modify your selection. Modify>Expand, and choose an amount that will move the edge of your selection to be somewhere in the middle of the actual lines in your lineart. I find that 3-5px does the trick for me.

Step 3: Bucket tool out! Pick the color you want, and fill 'er up!

Repeat 1-3 as much as you like, on however many layers you choose. After you are finished coloring, move your lineart layer to the top. Use a regular brush for touch-ups.

And that's it! You're done! The idea here is that this solves the problem of the ugly white border when you just directly bucket-fill white spaces. Instead of filling up to a vaguely defined area around your lineart, this places the borders of the colors to within the area of your lines, if that makes any sense. I wasn't able to get this done for the life of me when photoshopping paper and pencil scans, since my pencil lineart is actually fairly faint with thin lines that pick up poorly. The tablet lets my line be as fat and happy as I want, which lets me have easily selectable areas, and plenty of fudge room for the colors to be.

Of course this might not be valid for anything outside of Photoshop, but I haven't really used any other program, so I can't say with certainty >_>

If you have any questions, or if I horribly botched that, please let me know! ^^;;



Excellent. Was already aware of that method to be honest, but I still like asking just to see if anyone's doing anything different. Never hurts to ask. And congrats on getting your a hat!

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-25, 01:12 AM
Excellent. Was already aware of that method to be honest, but I still like asking just to see if anyone's doing anything different. Never hurts to ask. And congrats on getting your a hat!
Yeah, it is a pretty common way of doing it. I had tried something like it and failed miserably years ago, since my lineart scans were always too faint to make the wand work out in any stretch of the imagination, heh. Science marches on though, and now it works for me! I'm stoked.

And thanks! I think this hat suits me quite well.

Day 80 - Just a taste
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9657/day80.png

man, what is this mare's deal i don't even knowSTAY POSTED WINKY EMOTICON ;D

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-26, 12:52 AM
Day 81 - Breadcrumbs
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9281/day81.png

Today marks the start of a new challenge for me. It in no way directly impacts my challenge here, that is, to draw something new each day and post it here. This is still happening and takes precedence over this new challenge. I feel like I'm at the point where I am comfortable enough to undertake this particular route, and so begins another grand experiment.

As for my drawing today, I have taken a portion of this thing which I'm intentionally being vague about and posted it here, to fulfill that basic requirement of posting something, no matter how small. Now for something new. My challenge to all of you is to go out from here and find the rest of it.

If you feel so up to it, that is http://i.imgur.com/N2nfK.png

Kyouhen
2012-01-26, 03:58 AM
Day 81 - Breadcrumbs
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9281/day81.png

Today marks the start of a new challenge for me. It in no way directly impacts my challenge here, that is, to draw something new each day and post it here. This is still happening and takes precedence over this new challenge. I feel like I'm at the point where I am comfortable enough to undertake this particular route, and so begins another grand experiment.

As for my drawing today, I have taken a portion of this thing which I'm intentionally being vague about and posted it here, to fulfill that basic requirement of posting something, no matter how small. Now for something new. My challenge to all of you is to go out from here and find the rest of it.

If you feel so up to it, that is http://i.imgur.com/N2nfK.png

Done. :smallamused:

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-27, 01:49 AM
Done. :smallamused:
So you did! Impressive! Grats to you, good sir http://i.imgur.com/dB204.png

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So between staying late at work every night for the last two weeks, working on side projects and main projects, and the odd instance or accidentally playing mass effect, today I present to you a snapshot of my current mental state:

Day 82 - Work Weak
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3006/day82.png
Time spent: about two weeks lack of sleep
Listening: way too much ska, slayer, and beatles
Referenence: bloody awful api documentations

why can't i hold all these broken websites?

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-29, 01:39 AM
There are few things that supersede this challenge, and on that short list includes my job, and my health. For both of these reasons I have not posted yesterday or today. For that reason, I am really very much itching to draw, because it is now a need as well. Tomorrow is Sunday, a day or rest. My rest will be three drawings. :)

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-29, 05:56 PM
Picture one for today!

Day 83 - Illumination
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3610/day83.png
Time spent: 45 minutes

Trying my hand as some abstract shaping styles. My wizard needs a cover for her campaign journal, I figured this could be a nice touch to it, eh?

edit: two for tuesday:

Day 84 - The Goods
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1337/day84.png
Time spent: 15 minutes

This one's a bit fast, but I wanted to get a quick shape practice out the door before I had to. At this, I've gotta run, but I'll crank out my last entry after I get home again :smallsmile:

Day 85 - Playing with Power
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2222/day85.png

I did it! Three in a day! Awesome sauce. Well, that's enough of that for today, time to go pass out and hopefully have some energy for tomorrow. Big week ahead of me...

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-01-31, 12:14 AM
Day 86 - Rhobutu F'thagen
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8688/day86.png
Time spent: 2 hours
Tunes listened: Sing Off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=X9PHMklaqwo)

I am somewhat concerned at what comes out of my psyche when I go two weeks with little sleep. I don't really know what else to say.

Domochevsky
2012-01-31, 11:47 AM
I approve of the lighting and feeling of size there. :smallsmile:

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-01, 12:55 AM
I approve of the lighting and feeling of size there. :smallsmile:
Awesome! I only set out at the start to try and convey the size, but the lighting was an added bonus at the end. Strangely enough, the art improvement project helped out a lot, since I was looking at him in terms of his smaller shapes, and how light would fall on each of them. Am I... actually learning something? That's weird :smallconfused:

Day 87 - Pallet Cleanse
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/117/day87.png
Time spent: 1/3 of total time spent arting tonight
Music: Sombody to love

Tried my hand at drawing from memory tonight. No references! My computer screen felt so empty...

And no, apparently I can't go a full week without drawing ponies or specifically Derpy. They're just so darn fun!

Kyouhen
2012-02-01, 03:20 AM
D'awwww, she's so cute! Very nice work going without references too!

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-01, 11:42 PM
D'awwww, she's so cute! Very nice work going without references too!
Thanks, and thanks! Drawing cutesy things one purpose is a new experience for me. At least poni gives me a consistent style to follow, you know?

Speaking of cutesy on purpose, I'd say it's time for more robots.

Day 88 - Wanderer Above the Rust
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8599/day88.png
Time: 1 hourish
Music: Pentatonix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAP-b_HI0nU), and The Glitch Mob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17PM-UMVud8)

Nothing like a little tribal tech to round off the night. Also: backgrounds >:(

the_druid_droid
2012-02-02, 12:06 AM
Thanks, and thanks! Drawing cutesy things one purpose is a new experience for me. At least poni gives me a consistent style to follow, you know?

Speaking of cutesy on purpose, I'd say it's time for more robots.

Day 88 - Wanderer Above the Rust
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8599/day88.png
Time: 1 hourish
Music: Pentatonix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAP-b_HI0nU), and The Glitch Mob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17PM-UMVud8)

Nothing like a little tribal tech to round off the night. Also: backgrounds >:(

As a robot, I approve this sentiment wholeheartedly!

Kyouhen
2012-02-02, 02:18 AM
As a robot, I approve this sentiment wholeheartedly!

He seems to have a druid staff there, he a relative DD?

Also if you don't like working on backgrounds, have you tried colouring/shading them instead of just doing lines? I find that using shapes instead of just outlines in backgrounds tends to result in them looking a lot better and doesn't really take any more time. That and they tend to be more fun to work with.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-03, 01:22 AM
As a robot, I approve this sentiment wholeheartedly!
Awesome! Any excuse to draw robots is good enough for me :D



He seems to have a druid staff there, he a relative DD?

Also if you don't like working on backgrounds, have you tried colouring/shading them instead of just doing lines? I find that using shapes instead of just outlines in backgrounds tends to result in them looking a lot better and doesn't really take any more time. That and they tend to be more fun to work with.
He might be, actually!

Colors? Sh...apes? >n> That sounds like such a great idea, but... bluh, I don't know the first step really of doing that. More or less a shot in the dark. Any words of how to get going with that? It does sound much better than spending a long time making meaningless filler doodles, only in the background.


Day 89 - Nominal doodle skills
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/859/day89.png

Tonight's picture goes without comment, aside from this one. And this one expressing my undying love for lil Bright Eyes.

Kyouhen
2012-02-03, 01:57 AM
Best way to get used to painting backgrounds is to try and imitate someone else's work. Preferably someone who knows what they're doing. Take a look at the backgrounds in some of the scenes for FiM, especially the outside ones since they tend to have less details. Note the shapes and lines they use to create the background, and how simple they tend to be.

Example:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXRLAXLYxydB264ATTlf7dI1vEgKwiQ xDf3ieNNG33oQSR2Zd-67lmqeaEOQ

That mountain is really easy to do. Just a generic mountain shape, a few lines to suggest rocks and crevices, and a bit of snow to suggest platforms. Working with rocks is actually really good practice, because they're nothing but simple shapes.

Another Example:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bk8rPNMGn7E/TlUzJLCOEWI/AAAAAAAAA-I/fK__daiWY7U/s1600/tumblr_krzqmafzGY1qzb91ho1_500.jpg

I went and did this scene myself not too long ago. Take a good look at those rocks. How many colours do you see? 3, maybe 4 if you want to include the small bits really far back. Just by using a lot of straight edges and 3 colours you can create a nice rocky cliff, and it really doesn't take long to make something like that.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-05, 12:37 AM
^Response to that very insightful piece of advice tomorrow.

Day 90 - Access Granted
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/667/day90.png

Just banging out a mostly abstract piece. This is totally something, but it's easier to not explain, and try and show a fast sketch for its merits alone. By the sisters, I'm tired lately TT__TT

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-08, 07:26 PM
Okay! So I haven't posted a super lot, but it's weird, I basically don't realize that I'm not posting because I've been drawing like a mad beast for the last week.

As several of y'all know, I went and started a pony askblog, and I've been spending a lot of my time recently practicing that particular style and form to get to a presentable level that I felt comfortable posting to an audience even larger than this one (that is to say, the entire internet).

I'm not really sure how I should call my progress and day count, because while I haven't posted anything, I've actually been spending multiple hours a day cranking out many many drawings and practice sketches, to the tune of a roughly three to four hundred percent increase in drawing activity in all seriousness.

What I'm going to do then, is just call it three day's of in thread work, and call myself even to balance out the fact I've made more drawings and in fact doing them daily, with the reality that through various reasons both legit and otherwise I haven't actually posted any of them.

Days 91, 92, 93 - Derpy Replies
Look, proof of my not failings! (http://derpyreplies.tumblr.com/)

The trick now is to find that sweet spot of being able to maintain my daily work here (without drowning the thread in Ponies, as that's not fair to everyone or my general practice in drawing Anything Else) while finding a steady or semisteady schedule to update the tumblr (while still maintaining a certain level of quality of work that above all *I* am satisfied with).

All I can say is: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-09, 11:14 PM
Day 94 - Solitude
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5741/day94.png

Not a pony drawing! Today's one of those days where an exact image sticks in my head, and I sincerely hope that I can put it to paper. This ended up being lots of little things and a big thing, namely color work. I kinda like it?

Kyouhen
2012-02-09, 11:39 PM
D'awww, the little Enderman wanted to watch the sunrise over the ocean.

...Wait, can those things even swim? How did he get out there? How's he getting back?! :smalleek:

the_druid_droid
2012-02-10, 12:17 AM
Day 94 - Solitude
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5741/day94.png

Not a pony drawing! Today's one of those days where an exact image sticks in my head, and I sincerely hope that I can put it to paper. This ended up being lots of little things and a big thing, namely color work. I kinda like it?

I have had art days like that. I find that going with the feeling and trying to express it is deeply enjoyable, especially when it turns out nicely!

Domochevsky
2012-02-10, 01:17 PM
Huh, that's pretty good actually. Bonus for the motive. :smallamused:

(Endermen can't swim. They die in water and rain. But they can teleport.)

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-10, 10:56 PM
(replies pending)

Day 95 - [Testificate]
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5180/day95.png

One of the best parts about minecraft is how easy it is to throw a layer of realism over all the blocks that permeate the world, so that even though my eyes are seeing blocks and cubes, my mind is seeing a world teeming with life and personality. Sometimes though, that is the personality of squidward.

So it turns out these monstrosities are pretty amusing to draw too! Not feeling color tonight though, otherwise that'd basically be just browns, and that would get boring all sorts of fast.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-12, 12:10 AM
Day 96 - Centurian
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6885/day96.png
Feeling a little sketchy today, so I decided to try my hand at Garrus! Everybody loves Garrus, right?

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-12, 09:22 PM
Day 97 - (m)Air Mail
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4397/day97.png

I freehanded this! In only about an hour from start to finish! I can't believe it! http://i.imgur.com/Dy4NS.png

Kyouhen
2012-02-12, 09:49 PM
Such a happy pony! http://i.imgur.com/jaolo.jpg

Your Derpy blog looks really great!

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-14, 12:33 AM
Best way to get used to painting backgrounds is to try and imitate someone else's work. Preferably someone who knows what they're doing. Take a look at the backgrounds in some of the scenes for FiM, especially the outside ones since they tend to have less details. Note the shapes and lines they use to create the background, and how simple they tend to be.

Example:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXRLAXLYxydB264ATTlf7dI1vEgKwiQ xDf3ieNNG33oQSR2Zd-67lmqeaEOQ

That mountain is really easy to do. Just a generic mountain shape, a few lines to suggest rocks and crevices, and a bit of snow to suggest platforms. Working with rocks is actually really good practice, because they're nothing but simple shapes.

Another Example:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bk8rPNMGn7E/TlUzJLCOEWI/AAAAAAAAA-I/fK__daiWY7U/s1600/tumblr_krzqmafzGY1qzb91ho1_500.jpg

I went and did this scene myself not too long ago. Take a good look at those rocks. How many colours do you see? 3, maybe 4 if you want to include the small bits really far back. Just by using a lot of straight edges and 3 colours you can create a nice rocky cliff, and it really doesn't take long to make something like that.
So: watch more pony, taking a good hard look at the backgrounds and see how they did it. Got it! I wonder if my backgrounds would get easier if I actually started using color... http://i.imgur.com/2lTPE.png

I do like those rocks in the second picture, I tend to make scenes in rocky areas, but I can't actually draw rocks. Kind of a lose lose for me, to date... http://i.imgur.com/0bxcP.png


D'awww, the little Enderman wanted to watch the sunrise over the ocean.

...Wait, can those things even swim? How did he get out there? How's he getting back?! :smalleek:
He's not going anywhere for a while, but at least he can appreciate the view! And his little flower buddy. :3


I have had art days like that. I find that going with the feeling and trying to express it is deeply enjoyable, especially when it turns out nicely!
I knowww, it's so great. Even more so when my feeling is not one of mopiness. I've made more sad and grey sullen drawings than I'd ever care to admit. Oh high school...


Huh, that's pretty good actually. Bonus for the motive. :smallamused:

(Endermen can't swim. They die in water and rain. But they can teleport.)
:smallbiggrin:


Such a happy pony! http://i.imgur.com/jaolo.jpg

Your Derpy blog looks really great!
Thanks, and thanks! It's been a pretty rewarding experiment so far! http://i.imgur.com/xJr4u.png I just wish I had even MORE time to dedicate to all this. Man, why do I have to have WORK that I have to be at?

(now that I'm caught on that, it's time for...)

Day 98 - THE GREEN BOLT
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1011/day98.png
Time - 1.5 hours
Music - Deadmau5, SDP, Pendulum

Taking another crack at an actual human being. Of course, this means I'll just go for TF2 for character references instead. I think I've redrawn his right arm about ten times over. Also? Turns out flames are kinda hard to get right... I feel like this is one of those affairs where I'm going to hate this in the morning? We'll see what happens.

Hey, so turns out that Day 100 is coming up, and I need to do something big to celebrate it... hm......

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-15, 11:44 PM
Cross-posted from Ponythread:

Day 99 - Four time's a charm
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5153/day99.png
Time spent:t 3 hours

Spent a bit of a marathon session tonight cranking out as many of these as I could for a tumble. I have a series of these in mind, which will end up being six or seven panels in total. This is the result of the first three hours. Technically I guess I put out seven drawings if I could the base sketches, I never know how to count that and the re-inking. Either way, four panels done/touched on in three hours isn't so bad, I think?

I really would have preferred to get these all done in one night, but I'm still feeling under the weather (the reason for no post yesterday, the cold meds were not treating me well) and I would like to not only give a good night's sleep some justice, but also this update :)

Speaking of which, I may do something screwy with Day 100 proper, because I sincerely doubt that I can both finish this update, and push out a Day 100 that is worthy of Day 100. I may just skip to 101 and hop back when it's done, that would probably be for the best. Say what you like, I like to celebrate the milestone numbers!

Well, my nyquil's kicking in even as I write this, time for sleeps and more drawing tomorrow evening! Thanks for watching and tolerating, all.

Trazoi
2012-02-16, 08:21 PM
What are you using for inking the lines in your Derpies? I really like how they're coming out. I haven't figured out the best settings for the ink pen tool in ArtRage yet.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-21, 12:44 PM
What are you using for inking the lines in your Derpies? I really like how they're coming out. I haven't figured out the best settings for the ink pen tool in ArtRage yet.
Surprisingly enough, I'm just using the paintbrush tool in Photoshop Elements, currently just the regular hard edged brush with pressure turned on. I keep waffling on the brush size, though. For a while I was running 40px or larger, but now I'm tired of that and finding that 25 or 30 is suiting me better, though to be honest that depends a lot on the size and resolution of the canvas, which I keep forgetting >_>

To be honest, I haven't changed too far from the brush I've been using this whole time, what I have really been focusing on is improving on the brush strokes themselves. I try to visualize the line I need, and then try to put it down in one swift, broad motion. I end up using undo a lot, especially at the start, but I'm finding that I'm getting the lines I want the first time more and more.

Another small thing that's been fun to play with is the colors of the lines themselves. Black's nice, but greys, reds, and blues are fun too!

I am actually looking forward to picking up Photoshop proper (a thing long in the works) when I'll be able to have actual control over my brushes. Elements is nice, but doesn't have anywhere near the customization that I remember PS having :\

<<<General update!>>>
So that four hour draw-a-thon for day 99 ended up being a poor decision in the end. My previously manageable cold reared its ugly head and knocked me into a state completely unable to maintain creative output. TL;DR, I pushed myself too hard and got too sick to draw. Going to restart updates again tonight. Please to be not stealing my hat?

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-21, 11:16 PM
And we're back!

Day 101 - Human Interests
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2625/day101.png
Time: 45 minutes
Music: Richard Cheese
Reference: (http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5923/jacobsupport01.png) <=

I have suddenly been hit with the desire to work on drawing people again, especially faces. Mass Effect's been on the brainpan lately, so I decided to draw my most favorite human squadmate, Jacob. I think all I've managed to do is affirm my suspisions that I still can't draw people. Oh well, I'll call this a warmup-slash-reminder.

Please, tear into me fellow artists. Hit me with your best shot.

Thanqol
2012-02-21, 11:21 PM
Please, tear into me fellow artists. Hit me with your best shot.

Eyes. Just bust open a page and do dozens of different eyes and eye styles. Eyes are really fun, often the most fun part of the entire face, and an empty circle is the most dull way to do them. Play with colour, cybernetics, highlights, and everything else; it's amazingly rewarding and will be useful for everything you do.

There's other stuff, but that's what I want you to do next.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-21, 11:52 PM
Eyes. Just bust open a page and do dozens of different eyes and eye styles. Eyes are really fun, often the most fun part of the entire face, and an empty circle is the most dull way to do them. Play with colour, cybernetics, highlights, and everything else; it's amazingly rewarding and will be useful for everything you do.

There's other stuff, but that's what I want you to do next.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/ShyRangerSMRPG/Rainbow-Dash-American-salute-486.png

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-22, 09:55 PM
Day 102 - I see what you did there
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1242/day102.png
Time: 50 Min
Tunes: Smilex3
Guide (http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/05/draw-eyes/): <=

Doing some of the prescribed eye drawing practice. Doesn't seem so hard, in hindsight? I'm not really sure why this all was so hard to do on regular faces. I'm guessing with drawing two eyes and integrating them with the layout of the face is where I run into problems. That and the standard confidence problems?

Please note: this page was increasingly disconcerting to fill as I went along.

So! Any obvious problems? Inobvious problems? Poke my eyes, please :smallsmile:

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-23, 11:30 PM
And now for some application.

Day 103 - Boom,
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2161/day103.png
Time: 45 minutes
Tun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPfMb50dsOk)es: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Ov0cDPZy8)

So drawing super realistic eyes all day all the time for every drawing isn't going to work out, since I'm not really drawing super realistic things all day all the time. Obviously, being able to do this if I wanted to is a good thing, but somewhere in the middle is where I need to also figure out, that is, how I would draw normally when I'm having fun. So, might as well start with my own mug. I feel like there are a lot of inherent flaws going on here, but I mostly was focusing on the eyes tonight. Interesting exercise?

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-28, 10:32 PM
Wow, okay. I don't even know how I let five days go past without an update. I seriously wasn't even aware of the time.

Day 104 - The state of things
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/761/day104.png

Time for a quick step back for reflection and a brief announcement, I guess it's only fair to everyone. This drawing exercise has been great. I've seen my motivation grow tremendously, my confidence has shot up (not to "will show everyone" levels, but we're working on that), and additional things my brain won't allow me to process into words. However, it pains me to say that these past few weeks have been tough to get proper, full drawings out with my 100% effort for hours and hours of dedicated time. My job has been pretty stressful, and my time has been too short to fully make my time. This month is only going to get worse, as I will literally be out of town for more than half the month, for various reasons, spaced out evenly throughout March. It will legitimately be impossible for me to post in the usual manner for very long stretches of time for this month, and in light of this, I am instituting emergency measures: SKETCH MONTH.

SKETCH MONTH will proceed from this moment until I have fully recovered from work and my travels, hopefully the final week of march should everything go according to plan, Lord willing. SKETCH MONTH requires that any and all doodles, no matter how insignificant, will be catalogued by myself via scanner, tablet, or phone and posted in single batches upon my return from my various trips. Should I be in town, I have to at least spend ten minutes just putting some scribble to paper and post it. The idea here will not be elaborate or detailed pieces, but attempting just to get some shapes down, keep my hand and fingers loose, work on speed, and all and all blow off some steam. I cannot afford the time I feel like this needs, but I vow that I will at least dedicate some time, instead of ignore it completely for 30 days. This will be a messy month, but at least it will be here. I'll say when I'll be out of town and when I've returned.

TL;DR SKETCH MONTH, Ido posts lots of doodles due to attempted dedication in light of minimum time.

PS: Thanks everyone, posters and lurkers alike to my humble little thread. Love you all, you are the greatest. <3

Thanqol
2012-02-28, 10:45 PM
As far as I've always been concerned, it should be sketch month every month. Scale up when you've got the time and do a detailed drawing, scale down to quick and dirty sketches when you're busy and on fire. Good luck with it.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-02-28, 11:40 PM
As far as I've always been concerned, it should be sketch month every month. Scale up when you've got the time and do a detailed drawing, scale down to quick and dirty sketches when you're busy and on fire. Good luck with it.
Fair enough! I suppose I could have called this DOODLE MONTH instead to better get the feel for what I meant. With little quick sketches, I don't often feel like I'm doing right by them, even if I am. I just don't see the thought, love, and care getting poured into something that I've spent so little time on. It makes me feel careless and lazy to just slop something down and call it a day.

I'm not good enough to do something quickly, though I feel myself getting there. There will come a day when I can throw down half a dozen derpys in an hour and be pleased with them, but until then I will do what I can. A big part of this month will be to take advantage of the time I have, and to learn speed, as well as control. And to get over my neurosis over posting doodles.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-01, 12:22 AM
Day 105 - Leap Day Lurking
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This one was interesting to feel out. For just throwing shapes and scribbles, I the proportions didn't come out that poorly. The pose feels alright to me, too?

the_druid_droid
2012-03-01, 12:43 AM
Day 105 - Leap Day Lurking
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5914/day105.png

This one was interesting to feel out. For just throwing shapes and scribbles, I the proportions didn't come out that poorly. The pose feels alright to me, too?

Hmm, only thing I'd note is that he seems angular. Was that intentional?

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-01, 12:50 AM
Hmm, only thing I'd note is that he seems angular. Was that intentional?
Angular in which way? The answer is probably no, but I just want to make sure.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-02, 12:38 AM
Day 106 - Mad Stunts
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SKETCH MONTH continues with another look into the inner workings of my mind.

Thanqol
2012-03-10, 10:57 PM
*Sad trombone effect*

Domochevsky
2012-03-11, 11:48 AM
Whelp, time to get a good look at that hat again, i suppose. :|

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-12, 09:58 PM
Day 107 - >Disregard haters
http://i.imgur.com/DRWHd.png
>Acquire additional hats

Okay, but seriously now. I actually did mean it when I said it would be impossible for me to post when I was out of town. What I did fail to do was to post in this thread in addition to ponythread that I would be out of town for the last week. I guess in my excitement I forget, or thought folks would make the connection. Either way, I am back until Friday, Scribble Month continues, and I am extremely pleased with my new head covering.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-13, 10:52 PM
Day 108 - Sooooon
http://i.imgur.com/2WizZ.png

Placeholder text. This one is done and ready, but due to thematic reasons and spoilers, it and 109 will be posted tomorrow in tandem. I was literally about to post it, but then I realized that it would reduce the fun for tomorrow's post, so hang tight, please!

Look, it's there! It's there! :D

Domochevsky
2012-03-14, 09:56 AM
That sounds like a copout, designed to buy you more time. Shame on you. :smallcool:

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-14, 02:49 PM
That sounds like a copout, designed to buy you more time. Shame on you. :smallcool:
Pshhhhh a copout? No such thing! :D Honest!

In fact actually I did show it to Amish yesterday, so he can totes vouch for me if you really want it/feel like bothering Amish, an action I am always a fan of.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-14, 11:28 PM
Day 109 - Elements Represent
http://i.imgur.com/bmGZk.png

There is no such thing as TOO much style. Also: may I direct your attention to a few posts up, I have filled in my filler text with stuff of substance this time around, as promised :smallwink:

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-15, 11:37 PM
Day 110 - Two < Three
http://i.imgur.com/UvodQ.png

So I just got to the robot portion of Mass Effect 2, and I'm about to fall to pieces in love with it. For the sake of spoilers, I will end there, and instead say that this ten minute sketch did not come out too badly!

Now I'll be smart and remember to say this before I go: I am going away again. Depending on how some scheduling will work out, I will either be able to post again on Saturday night or Sunday early afternoon, but if that doesn't work out, I will be unable to art until next Saturday, whereupon I will be back for good! I will have computer access all next week, but only a dinky work laptop on a business trip, no photoshop no tablet. If I can find the time to sketch it up old school with pencil and paper I won't be able to upload it until I get back anyway, that's just how the work lappy is. Won't preclude me from drawing at all, or at least shouldn't, just know that this is work-related absence, and not loafing. We all know that loafing brings about many much hat grievances ;)

That said, I'll still have internet, so I can talk and pm, if there's discussion or advice to be had. In fact I'd probably love that, seeing as this is a week long business trip I'm starting down ^^;;

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-28, 10:48 PM
I'm back! And mostly for good until next week when I run off to Pax! But after that it is smooth sailing, I PROMISE! This month has been lousy for travel. Anyway, posting!

Day 111 - Rule of Three
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Here are the actual recognizable sketches I managed to do last week in Denver. I had a lot of "fill in the paper with scribble", but since I wasn't actually trying for a Jackson Pollock original I'm not going to waste anyone's time. It's weird, this was the first time I'd opened my physical sketchbook in months. Using an actual pencil felt... weird? I kept trying to vector tool to move stuff around the page...

Day 112 - The Fun Will Never End
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So I'm ashamed to say that I have only just discovered Adventure Time, but that's okay, I watched the entire series last week on my downtime. I'm good now. I feel like I'm going to be seeing a lot of AT, HS, and MLP stuff in the near future, these scribbles aren't giving them the proper release they deserve.

Sweet deal, glad to be back! Hi everybody.

Capt. Ido Nos
2012-03-29, 11:42 PM
Day 113 - Terrible Sketch
http://i.imgur.com/B5JEd.png

I... I'm so sorry. There are no words.

Thanqol
2012-03-29, 11:46 PM
Day 113 - Terrible Sketch
http://i.imgur.com/B5JEd.png

I... I'm so sorry. There are no words.

I am very disappointed in you.

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Capt. Ido Nos
2012-04-01, 10:14 PM
I am very disappointed in you.

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March is over, but SKETCH MONTH has a few days left, for the sake of my one last trip this week. My word, dispite all the fun and excitement and rush of this past month, I'm looking forward to being able to keep a schedule for something longer than a week. Next monday will be met with open arms.

Speaking of Derpy Hooves, presenting

Day 114 - Foolish
http://i.imgur.com/EsJKg.png

Feeling the itch to draw a bit of pone, consider the itch not sufficiently scratched.