[PH] Ponyhammer Lore (WIP)

[HalfTangible]

This thread will be used to discuss, debate, and keep track of aspects of the Ponyhammer universe, a ponified WH40K, to establish an overall continuity/setting.

See this (http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=gallery%3Asanity-x%2F157279) album for reference pictures.

I will act as mediator and will probably contribute myself, but this is meant to be a collaborative world-building - feel free to challenge anything anyone says or does, short of trolling and flaming and... well, the usual :smalltongue:

Confirmed
-The Mane Six will not fall to Chaos. (Decided by 2 to 3 vote)
-There were 16 primarchs.
-The Eldeer refer to ponies as 'Don-keigh'

ImperiumCelestia is God-Princess of all of Ponykind, kept alive via intricate life support systems.


-=Primarchs=-


Applejack

Legion: The Imperial Hooves


Fluttershy

Legion: The Dark Angels


Lixie (Twin to Trixie)

Legion: Raven Guard (postheresy)
"Slave to Slaanesh? *giggle* Dear sister. Slaanesh is MY slave.... metaphorically speaking."
-Lixie to Rainbow Dash

Though no one outside of the Alpha Legion knew it at the time, Trixie had a twin sister named Lixie. No one knows how precisely the two became twins since they were vat-grown by Celestia, but according to Lixie, she was originally, for whatever reason, physically indistinguishable from her sister.

The two would often trade places as the public face, referring to themselves collectively as the Great and Powerful Trixie (Trixie's original name has been lost to time, even to Lixie and the Alpha Legion) and using their identical appearance to make it appear as if there was only one primarch of the Alpha Legion, named Trixie. Lixie kept herself a secret from everypony outside of her legion.

However, upon learning of Trixie's apparent betrayal of the Space Dragon Legion, she confronted her sister and found that the outspoken, arrogant persona the two had crafted for all the world had consumed Trixie, to an almost horrifying degree. Her relationship with her sister became heavily strained, and she secretly started to garner support among other members of her legion that were not entirely loyal to the Trixie Persona. Trixie eventually found out about her attempts to recruit alpha legionaires, and attacked Lixie openly in front of the entire Legion, labeling her traitor and deeply scarring her face and snapping off her horn. She then dealt a killing blow and ordered the entire Legion to never even SPEAK of Lixie again.

The entire incident was a major blow to morale for the Legion. Though no one else had known of Lixie's existence, the Legion had loved Lixie primarch just as they loved Trixie. The idea of the two primarchs fighting was... unbelieveable. Many began to question Trixie's sanity.

What Trixie (and many of the Legion) didn't know was that Lixie had planned the entire exchange ever since she had started to gain support from the shadows. She had already had one of the Legion's most powerful unicorns alter her primarch's appearance into a purple and magenta color scheme and her race into that of a pegasus. The unicorn then disguised herself as the original Lixie, to be killed by Trixie, who in her arrogance would not realize the fight had been too easy. In an ironic twist, Trixie had also forbidden anypony else in the room who might know from telling her.

Lixie, now a pegasus pony named Lost Ring (get it? Lost Ring? =D ... OW! STOP THROWING STUFF!!) bided her time, gathered support and sowed dissent, relying on her primarch power to keep her alive, and when the Heresy broke out, would start a shadow war against her own legion...


Luna

Legion: The Luna Wolves/The Daughters of Luna/The Black Legion


Pinkie Pie

Legion: The Pink Ones


Rarity

Legion: The Star Sapphires


Rainbow Dash

Legion: Rainbow Scars


The Great and Powerful Trixie (preheresy)

Legion: Alpha Legion
"You were never beyond the Great and Powerful Trixie, Twilight. You were, perhaps, worth her notice once, but now? Oh no. Now you are not even Trixie's sibling. Now, you are merely a corpse. You just don't know it yet." -Trixie in her last known conversation with Twilight Sparkle during the Luna Heresy
"Dumbtraitorbitchsayswhat?" -Spike, shortly after hearing the above

Though no one in the imperium would have admitted it at the time, Trixie was probably one of the most disliked amongst her siblings (though ordinary ponies treated her with the same reverence as any other primarch) for her overtly cocky attitude and overuse of third-person. Few could deny she was a master of subterfuge, though fewer could deny her utter and complete contempt for the talents of others.

No one truly knows Trixie's background, nor even what planet she started on. When she was found by Rarity's Star Sapphires, she had already left her homeworld and started an expedition of her own, apparently to 'reunite the ponies spread across the stars'. Upon learning of the Imperium, Trixie eagerly took command of her own legion. She immediately demanded that, as the most powerful being to ever grace the stars, that every single Mareine attempt to emulate her. While they could use their own names amongst themselves, all outsiders (even their sister space mareine legions) would know them as 'The Great and Powerful Trixie'.

The Legion's almost inbred loyalty to their primarch was the only real reason this change was sincerely adopted. Trixie proceeded to launch many powerful, showy campaigns of incredible bedazzling power. What few knew, however, is that Trixie merely used these flashy antics as a cover-up for undercover, spying and sabotage work.

The Great and Powerful Trixie's Legion and Twilight Sparkle's Space Dragons were almost constantly at odds - Twilight detested Trixie's loud mouth while Trixie considered Twilight a pathetic upstart. On any and all occasions they worked together, the two came to blows over this or that issue, to the degree that even the Mareines hated to work with each other after a time.

Jealousy for Twilight's undeniable talent in magic festered and grew in Trixie's heart. While her techniques were generally flashier, Twilight had a raw power and control that Trixie could never hope to match (though in Trixie's arrogance she chalked up all of Twilight's victories to luck).

However, during a campaign in the Lorgar system, Trixie's boasting caused the locals to attack in full force. However, this was one of the joint assignments between the Space Dragons and her legion.

The Space Dragon's losses totalled nearly eight hundred by the time the planet was cleansed of the enemy, whereas Trixie's legion suffered only fourty-seven.

When confronted by Twilight and Celestia on the matter, Trixie said, quite openly, that if Twilight's legion had even a fraction of the strength hers had, their losses would have been split evenly. Spike pointed out (Twilight was too furious to speak) that the positioning of the Space Dragon's deployment zones was almost guaranteed to kill them all.

Trixie replied that had she sent her own Legion, the task would have been accomplished with minimal losses. Therefore, all the fault laid with "those pathetic fillies who were as weak as you are puny, you slave lizard."

For obvious reasons, Twilight tackled Trixie and a hooffight ensued. However, Celestia stopped both of them before they started to use magic, so the two just ended up simmering over the incident.

Celestia ordered the fight be kept secret, though it was impossible to keep out of the Space Dragons and Trixie's legions. None of the others knew of the scuffle, though the other Primarchs learned of it, with varying reactions.

Some historians believe that Trixie was actually the first of the primarchs to fall to chaos, and the campaign was a brutal first strike intended to instill intense rage in Twilight's heart. Others believe Trixie was just a prideful, arrogant twerp who needed a good kick in the teeth.


Twilight Sparkle

Legion: The Space Dragons


The Great and Powerful Trixie

Legion: (The Alpha Legion?)


-=Other Important Figures=-

Spike

On what will eventually become the Space Dragon Legion's home planet, one of the things a tribe member must do is to wander out and slay one of the many dragons native to the planet. Twilight, being a rather potent spellcaster, aimed not for a young drake or a broodling, but rather a elder wyrm whos name is said only in whispers among her tribesponys. When Twilight set out and slayed her wyrm, she discovered a clutch of eggs it was brooding over. Rather than destroying the eggs, she used her magic to cause them to become soild rock, preserving them for later study.

After returning to the encampment, she decided, out of curiosity, to allow a single egg to hatch , for nopony had seen a baby dragon in ages. Using magic to hatch the egg, it turned out that the dragon inside was changed both physically and mentally: due to exposure to very powerful magic before even being born, his wings and general external growth was stunted but he gained a mind vastly superior to other of his kind. Knowing the issues around having a potentially malicious beast on their hands, she alerted her leaders to examine the baby dragon. Seeing no hostility from the beast and still astounded by her slaying of the wyrmess, they declared that the dragon was not only safe but shall be her lifetime companion.

She decided on naming the young beast after the object that pierced his mothers skull: Spike.

When Celestia later came to Twilight's world, Twilight requested that her legion be named after Spike and the dragons of her home world: the Space Dragons.


-=Great Crusade=-


-=Luna Heresy=-


-=Imperial Weaponry and Armor=-


Trojan

The Trojan are the Imperium's greatest weapon of war. The behemoths tower over the battlefield, each step like the clap of a mighty god. The war machine is made of thick adamantium and fortified with the magical energies of hundreds of unicorns within it's frame. Each of it's cannons fire with the wrath of the gods themselves. The war machines are built in the shape of metallic alicorns, though the wings are nigh-useless in battle and are only used in retrieval operations.

Trojan are built and deployed by the Collegia Titanica, the most powerful military arm of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Minimum crew requirements is technically 212, though it is traditional to have at least 300 - 150 unicorns, 150 earth ponies. Pegasi do not pilot Trojan (most pegasi with the skill would instead serve on a battle-cruiser) and any and all pilots must at least be initiated in the Machine Cults.


-=The Incipio (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12046189#post12046189) Campaign=-

Chaos
Khorne and Tzeentch Demons (by Pokonic) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12127235&postcount=107)
Nurgle Demons (by Pokonic) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12268866&postcount=129)

Zecrons/Neighcrontyr/YngirHistory.

In the time before the creation of the warp, before most creatures today even existed, in a time where even the primitive ancestors of the deerish people where barly excaping from packs of wolves and huddled in herds, there where the Zebraish people. Scattered across the planet that they lived on in small groups, ever wachfull for other beasts such as primal beasts that would later be catorgorised as early crocadilions and large cats.

There only contact with other civilised races was the elected Xiarch, who was largly a figurehead for the otherwise clannish politics. The ruling Buda where shamens, and officaly had control over the Abadas, or clan leaders. The Karkadanns, or monster-slayers, were the heros and saviors of many clans, for they fought off the many creatures with there legendary speed and the use of both the spear and the head-spike to impale foes. The Abiku where the people, the ones who farmed in the few settlements and where the general majority of the population.

The Star-Gods where many in number, but all consumed and killed each other in rampent violance until only a few remaned. Spider was known for keeping the world safe from outside with his web. Eshu brought change where he went, and often created new hierarchies among the tribes, often with death.
Dream Serpent ruled over the domain of dreams and life, placing insperation into the minds of those who listened to his whispers. Asheah ruled over death and reform, and brought with him dark magic and a alternitive to Serpents afterlife in the form of soul jars, which made the creator immortal to injury but increasingly immoral.

It was not until that the Zebras had united under a single Xiarch, which, for the first time, had become a strong position, and had cleared out the preditory creatures, which had ether left the planet or had been taken with those who left, that they could truly advance. The former hated users of Asheah where usful in the wars, and as such where given free reign for teaching those with such tastes. The Buda , persicuted and generaly lossing power, left in great numbers from planets as far away form the now-interplanetary empire, along with there families and so forth.

Then the remaining star gods that had any power left, Spider, Eshu, and Asheah, where gathered and where asked for the gift of power. Spider wove them a substance that resmbled metal but was far stronger than any alloy ever made before hand. Eshu, in his grim humer, wiped the minds of those too weak willed, and commanded those in charge to lead them.Asheah, now the strongest, took the metal and moved every zebraish soul in existance into bodies made of the metal, and made there weapons and armor greater and made use of dark magic. Dream Serpent, alerted to what was happening, exerted all of his power to scatter the Zecrons into vaults made of the metal, and send them into a sleep. The Gods then battled the Serpent and caused it to be sealed on some far-off planet.

Now, with the Zecrons awaking, only time could tell if creation can hold them off.

Units
Ogban: A follower of Spider. These guys has several charms within his body, and can turn invisable at will. Undetectable without knocking into them at first. A varient has mechanical wings, so you may have invisable winged unkillable snipers. Might be best to stay in your room with the door shut if you are a guardspony.

Crocotta: Once childeren before the change into metal, these beings are the same size as a young filly. Due to a mishap of Serpents, these childern where awake during the time others where sleeping, but could not move ether way. Now utterly insane after eons of awareness, these little ones want to play.

Abiku: Basic solder. Not much else.

Karkadanns: Powerful fighters. Armored, fast, and flexable. Uses both a longspear and metal horn in combat. About 4/3 bigger than a normal zecron. Head-spike is a bright color, the brightest the lower in rank, with a black-colored horn meaning a increadbly strong foe.

Abadas: Nobles, royals, yata yata yata. Even bigger than a Karkadan, but less heavly built. Along with having the best ranged weapons, they have the ability to command others. The most powerful are called the Aliabadas's.

Shamans: The preists of the gods, they have the ability to throw there necromatic staff around, causing death with a touch. Fear them. Have acces to several spells unseen elsewere, to boot.

Totem: A great carved totem form the olden times, they have many benfits to those wo are near it. They are often droped in combat to cause harmful magical effects to the living near it.




Survivers
Dream Serpents chosen are still among the living. Scattered they may be, they have many of the old ways intergrated into there new, now relitivly primitive lifestyle. Recipes for deamon-slaying powders and magical potions lie alongside home remadies. The way of the Karkadann has not been lost, and more than a few explores have met there end at the (literal) hooves of these hunters. They do not wish to have contact with those with warp affinity, but are willing to trade with races decended from those that once where allied with there empire.

Unconfirmed/Speculation

-The Blood Angels were a splinter group of Fluttershy's dark angels, who were possesed of a mighty flaw.
-What was the flaw? (Craving attention, needing acceptance, etc etc)

[Tectonic Robot]

Guys, why don't we just have 8 primarchs instead of 20? 20 is 10 times 2, and 10 is the number of fingers we have. 4 is the amount a hooves a pony has, 4 times 2 is 8.

It would also be easier to keep track of, which is what everything boils down to in the end.

[Forum Explorer]

Vote Trixie for Primarch! Other possibilities is Blueblood, Photo Finish, and the CMC

[HalfTangible]

Vote Trixie for Primarch! Other possibilities is Blueblood, Photo Finish, and the CMC

I still say Discord would make a great initial traitor primarch... analagous to Lorgar of the Word Bearers

[BlasTech]

Hoo boy.

Given the whole unity of the Mane6 in the cartoon, maybe they could all be loyalist primarchs? (Yes? Maybe? Please? :smalltongue:)

If half had to fall, would probably pick Rarity to head to Slaneesh, Pinkie to Tzeentch and Fluttershy to good ole papa Nurgle.

Have difficulty fixing AJ or RD to anything other than loyalists given their elements of honesty and loyalty. Also, RD as an Ultramareine seems fitting. TS could fall to Tzeenich given the magic link there, but that would void her position as Celestia's prize primarch.

My vote is for Gilda as a follower of Khorne. :smalltongue:

[byaku rai]

Other stuff:

Neighcrons (yep, they're Necrons but ponified)

Paranids (presumably parasprites)/Ponynids (what Lix has made them out to be. I'm not gonna argue because it's Lix and I'm not quite powerful enough to challenge her. YET.

Eldeer

Presumably Dark Eldeer as well?

Dau

Hogz

The main thing to focus on is the history of the Imperium of Ponykind, at least as far as the Luna Heresy, but anypony who feels like fleshing out the other factions should definitely do so.

[Forum Explorer]

I still say Discord would make a great initial traitor primarch... analagous to Lorgar of the Word Bearers

hmm, actually I think we should replace the chaos gods as well if possible

Discord takes over Tzeench
Nightmare Moon takes over for Slannash?
The Hydra takes over for Khorne?
The Dragon takes over for Nurgle?

[HalfTangible]

hmm, actually I think we should replace the chaos gods as well if possible

Discord takes over Tzeench
Nightmare Moon takes over for Slannash?
The Hydra takes over for Khorne?
The Dragon takes over for Nurgle?

Luna's creation is long after Slaanesh forms from the fallen Eldeer empire, and I REALLY don't think changing the chaos god's names is a good idea =/

[Forum Explorer]

Luna's creation is long after Slaanesh forms from the fallen Eldeer empire, and I REALLY don't think changing the chaos god's names is a good idea =/

Fair enough. Its just Discord fits Tzeentch so well.

[HalfTangible]

Fair enough. Its just Discord fits Tzeentch so well.

Hence, he's a Tzeentch Demon prince who gained his ascension by successfully concocting a plan to corrupt Luna :smalltongue:

[Forum Explorer]

Hence, he's a Tzeentch Demon prince who gained his ascension by successfully concocting a plan to corrupt Luna :smalltongue:

Another thought is that Discord is a Tzeentch greater daemon like Fateweaver is in 40K

[byaku rai]

Another thought is that Discord is a Tzeentch greater daemon like Fateweaver is in 40K

I vote for Discord as a fallen primarch. Tzeentchian, of course. ^^

Since we seem to be divided on which of the mane cast fall, we should probably vote. First off, who thinks any of them should fall at all?

Yes: byaku rai, Lix Lorn

No: Grif, HalfTangible, Forum Explorer

EDIT: It's really a matter of which one wins out, the 40k grimdark or the MLP love and tolerance. My vote is grimdark, but whatever everyone else likes. :smallbiggrin:

[Grif]

In the spirit of MLP, I vote no. Alternatively, we should totally do a redemption scenario IF they do fall.

[Lix Lorn]

Paranids (presumably parasprites)/Ponynids (what Lix has made them out to be. I'm not gonna argue because it's Lix and I'm not quite powerful enough to challenge her. YET.
Paranids are the rippers. :smallwink:

I'd like to say that we can't try to remain ABSOLUTELY true to either setting. If we have ponies, we have to be slightly lighter and slightly sillier than 40k. If we have 40k, we have to be significantly darker and grimmer than ponies.

And Yes.

[HalfTangible]

i had a thought. If members of the mane six fall to chaos, they would be hated by the Imperium in 40K =/

For that reason I vote no. We should have others fall.

That's two yes, two no... and apparently byaku thinks grif is thanquol =/

[Grif]

i had a thought. If members of the mane six fall to chaos, they would be hated by the Imperium in 40K =/

For that reason I vote no. We should have others fall.

That's two yes, two no... and apparently byaku thinks grif is thanquol =/

Curses, how did he see through my disguise!

*kidnaps byaku*

[Forum Explorer]

I don't think any of the mane 6 should fall unless we reduce the total legions to 8

[byaku rai]

i had a thought. If members of the mane six fall to chaos, they would be hated by the Imperium in 40K =/

For that reason I vote no. We should have others fall.

That's two yes, two no... and apparently byaku thinks grif is thanquol =/

My apologies, I don't know why I did that... :smallconfused:


Curses, how did he see through my disguise!

*kidnaps byaku*

Waa! :smalleek:

[HalfTangible]

Guys, why don't we just have 8 primarchs instead of 20? 20 is 10 times 2, and 10 is the number of fingers we have. 4 is the amount a hooves a pony has, 4 times 2 is 8.

It would also be easier to keep track of, which is what everything boils down to in the end.

Alternatively:
10 (# of fingers) * 2 (Arms/hands) = 20 - 2(missing/failed primarchs - adds weight to their existence and shows they can be flawed) = 18
so
4 (# of hooves) * 4 (Legs) = 16

Or we could assume the Emperor WASN'T motivated through psychology and had his own reason for making 20 primarchs =/

Also, there are six Mane characters. Making eight primarchs would automatically mean at least 2 would fall, and we haven't decided on whether that should happen yet. In addition, it largely cuts out many SM chapters and cuts the number of space mareines in the universe to 2/5, due to the slow reproductive process of space mareine geneseed.

EDIT: And that's assuming you weren't counting Luna.

[byaku rai]

Alternatively:
10 (# of fingers) * 2 (Arms/hands) = 20 - 2(missing/failed primarchs - adds weight to their existence and shows they can be flawed) = 18
so
4 (# of hooves) * 4 (Legs) = 16

Or we could assume the Emperor WASN'T motivated through psychology and had his own reason for making 20 primarchs =/

Also, there are six Mane characters. Making eight primarchs would automatically mean at least 2 would fall, and we haven't decided on whether that should happen yet. In addition, it largely cuts out many SM chapters and cuts the number of space mareines in the universe to 2/5, due to the slow reproductive process of space mareine geneseed.

EDIT: And that's assuming you weren't counting Luna.

16 is workable, and would probably make the search for primarch candidates easier since we need 2 less.

Let's see... Mane 6 + Luna + Discord + Gilda + Spike + CMC is 13... I'm a bit hesitant about adding in the hydra or dragon, but it's not my choice, and we need either 3 or 5 more slots. Lyra and BonBon, maybe? Derpy Hooves? that could bring us up to 16, 18 if we count the dragon and hydra.

Sorry if the above paragraph didn't make any sense. I wrote it as I was thinking it.

[HalfTangible]

Unless the forms they have in the show are their demon prince forms or something similar, I'm hesitant about adding in non-pony characters to the list of Primarchs...

The other three could be... Lessee, Derpy, Bon-bon and Trixie, with Lyra being Bon-Bon's twin for the Alpha legion? (If i remember correctly nobody knew about Alpharius' twin so he was never counted as one of the primarchs)

[byaku rai]

Fair enough. But that leaves us with... 4 to 6 empty slots. Assuming Lyra, BonBon, Derpy, and the CMC are still in.

[HalfTangible]

Let's see... Mane 6 + Luna + Discord + Gilda + Spike + CMC is 13... I'm a bit hesitant about adding in the hydra or dragon, but it's not my choice, and we need either 3 or 5 more slots. Lyra and BonBon, maybe? Derpy Hooves? that could bring us up to 16, 18 if we count the dragon and hydra.

The other three could be... Lessee, Derpy, Bon-bon and Trixie, with Lyra being Bon-Bon's twin for the Alpha legion? (If i remember correctly nobody knew about Alpharius' twin so he was never counted as one of the primarchs)


Fair enough. But that leaves us with... 4 to 6 empty slots. Assuming Lyra, BonBon, Derpy, and the CMC are still in.

.... I am looking at these two posts and trying to figure out what your math was.
Mane 6 + Luna + Discord + Gilda + Spike + CMC is 13. Plus Trixie, Derpy, and Bon-bon/Lyra, that's 15. If we go with 16, we have one left. Who could easily be a failed primarch. Or Lyra.

[byaku rai]

.... I am looking at these two posts and trying to figure out what your math was.
Mane 6 + Luna + Discord + Gilda + Spike + CMC is 13. Plus Trixie, Derpy, and Bon-bon/Lyra, that's 15. If we go with 16, we have one left. Who could easily be a failed primarch. Or Lyra.

1) I math derped (there's a reason I'm failing Calc 3, at least my engineering is still working).

2) I think in the first one I was counting Lyra and BonBon separately. I can definitely see them working as an Alpharius/Omegon... Although that would suggest that they fall. :smallfrown: Plus that means we need another filled slot. I think.

EDIT: Trixie = Magnus. This is a thing which should happen. Perhaps Blueblood = Fulgrim?

[Pokonic]

Hey, just throwing my two cents in. Just noticed the Dau have no Kroot equivulents. How about the Buffalo? Both are tribal and could be used as very effective infrantry, and the buffalo are huge when compared to, say, a pony. It would also be awsome, according to the former DH player in me, to have a competent merc race.


Also, on dragons: I could see them having a Space Wolf like relationship with twilights legion. After all, what group of people would not steal a dragon egg after seeing what the adults looked like!

Even if they are xenos, I could see something like what the Salamanders did with there namesake:

On what will eventualy become the Twilight Legions home planet, one of the things a tribe member must do is to wander out and slay one of the many dragons native to the planet. Twilight, being a rather potent spellcaster, aimed not for a young drake or a broodling, but rather a elder wyrm whos name is said only in whispers among her tribesponys. When Twilight set out and slayed her wyrm, she discovered a cluch of eggs it was brooding over. Rather than destroying the eggs, she used her magic to cause them to become soild rock, preserving them for later study.

After returning to the incampment, she decided, due to curiosity, to alow a single egg to hatch , for no pony had seen a baby dragon in ages. Using magic to hatch the egg, it turns out the dragon inside was changed both physically and mentally: due to exposure to very powerful magic before even being born, his wings and general external growth was stunted but gained a mind vastly superior to other of his kind. Knowing the issues around a having a potential chaos beast on there hands, she alerted her leaders to examine the baby dragon. Seeing no hostility from the beast and still astounded by her slaying of the wyrmess, they delcared that the dragon was not only safe but shall be her lifetime companion.

She decided on naming the young beast after the object that peirced his mothers skull: Spike.

[Forum Explorer]

Twilight Sparkle = Leman Russ.

So the guard can have Twilight Sparkle Battle Tanks :smallbiggrin:

[Lix Lorn]

Hey, just throwing my two cents in. Just noticed the Dau have no Kroot equivulents. How about the Buffalo? Both are tribal and could be used as very effective infrantry, and the buffalo are huge when compared to, say, a pony. It would also be awsome, according to the former DH player in me, to have a competent merc race.


Also, on dragons: I could see them having a Space Wolf like relationship with twilights legion. After all, what group of people would not steal a dragon egg after seeing what the adults looked like!

Even if they are xenos, I could see something like what the Salamanders did with there namesake:

On what will eventualy become the Twilight Legions home planet, one of the things a tribe member must do is to wander out and slay one of the many dragons native to the planet. Twilight, being a rather potent spellcaster, aimed not for a young drake or a broodling, but rather a elder wyrm whos name is said only in whispers among her tribesponys. When Twilight set out and slayed her wyrm, she discovered a cluch of eggs it was brooding over. Rather than destroying the eggs, she used her magic to cause them to become soild rock, preserving them for later study.

After returning to the incampment, she decided, due to curiosity, to alow a single egg to hatch , for no pony had seen a baby dragon in ages. Using magic to hatch the egg, it turns out the dragon inside was changed both physically and mentally: due to exposer to very powerful magic before even being born, his wings and general external growth was stunted but gained a mind vastly superior to other of his kind. Knowing the issues around a having a potential chaos beast on there hands, she alerted her leaders to examine the baby dragon. Seeing no hostility from the beast and still astounded by her slaying of the wyrmess, they delcared that the dragon was not only safe but shall be her lifetime companion.

She decided on naming the young beast after the object that peirced his mothers skull: Spike.
Lixie approves of this post.

[Pokonic]

Lixie approves of this post.

WOW. Lixi approves of something I posted. I now have a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.:smallbiggrin:

[HalfTangible]

Hey, just throwing my two cents in. Just noticed the Dau have no Kroot equivulents. How about the Buffalo? Both are tribal and could be used as very effective infrantry, and the buffalo are huge when compared to, say, a pony. It would also be awsome, according to the former DH player in me, to have a competent merc race.Buffalo are native to Equestria, though =/



Also, on dragons: I could see them having a Space Wolf like relationship with twilights legion. After all, what group of people would not steal a dragon egg after seeing what the adults looked like!

Even if they are xenos, I could see something like what the Salamanders did with there namesake:

On what will eventualy become the Twilight Legions home planet, one of the things a tribe member must do is to wander out and slay one of the many dragons native to the planet. Twilight, being a rather potent spellcaster, aimed not for a young drake or a broodling, but rather a elder wyrm whos name is said only in whispers among her tribesponys. When Twilight set out and slayed her wyrm, she discovered a cluch of eggs it was brooding over. Rather than destroying the eggs, she used her magic to cause them to become soild rock, preserving them for later study.

After returning to the incampment, she decided, due to curiosity, to alow a single egg to hatch , for no pony had seen a baby dragon in ages. Using magic to hatch the egg, it turns out the dragon inside was changed both physically and mentally: due to exposure to very powerful magic before even being born, his wings and general external growth was stunted but gained a mind vastly superior to other of his kind. Knowing the issues around a having a potential chaos beast on there hands, she alerted her leaders to examine the baby dragon. Seeing no hostility from the beast and still astounded by her slaying of the wyrmess, they delcared that the dragon was not only safe but shall be her lifetime companion.

She decided on naming the young beast after the object that peirced his mothers skull: Spike.

*clapclapclap*

Editing this in under the Primarch section. Does this make Twilight the Salamander Legion's primarch?

I remembered that Rogal Dorn was known for being honest to the point that it actually became a problem in diplomacy and interaction. So there's Applejack.

EDIT: Wait. I thought i brought this up already... why are they worried about warp-beasts? Before the Horus Heresy, chaos and demons from the warp weren't common knowledge. In fact, at one point during the crusade, Horus has to console one of his Astartes who DID see a demon and explain what had happened to him.

[byaku rai]

*clapclapclap*

Editing this in under the Primarch section. Does this make Twilight the Salamander Legion's primarch?

I remembered that Rogal Dorn was known for being honest to the point that it actually became a problem in diplomacy and interaction. So there's Applejack.

EDIT: Wait. I thought i brought this up already... why are they worried about warp-beasts? Before the Horus Heresy, chaos and demons from the warp weren't common knowledge. In fact, at one point during the crusade, Horus has to console one of his Astartes who DID see a demon and explain what had happened to him.

I guess that's workable... =/ I think I'd rather see Spike as a primarch in his own right, though. Perhaps his fall to Chaos (and subsequent transformation into a dragon) was due to him finally confessing his love to Rarity, but being shot down.

@EDIT: Sort of. They knew that there were creatures inside the warp, but A) didn't know what sort of creatures they actually were, and B) didn't understand exactly how the daemons interacted with the physical world. It seemed to the Space Marine like magic, in the time when the GEoM was spreading the Imperial Truth: there are no gods, there is no magic, only the cold, hard reality of science. So Horus had to explain that the "daemon" was, in fact, merely a creature of the Warp.

... At least, that's how I remember it. It has, admittedly, been quite a long time since I read the Horus Heresy novels.

[HalfTangible]

I guess that's workable... =/ I think I'd rather see Spike as a primarch in his own right, though. Perhaps his fall to Chaos (and subsequent transformation into a dragon) was due to him finally confessing his love to Rarity, but being shot down.Spike as a Primarch just doesn't sit right with me, in part because he's not a pony and isn't female.

I like the story given, as it gives Spike a direct link to Twilight similar to the one in the show, and in fact becomes a testament to Twi's power that she has him at all.

Maybe Spike's genes are used to form the Brothers of Combat? It's conceivable that his mutation at Twilight's hooves would allow for a similar vein as the Primarchs, but not be quite as powerful, and would explain the Brothers' affinity for flame and melta-based weaponry.


@EDIT: Sort of. They knew that there were creatures inside the warp, but A) didn't know what sort of creatures they actually were, and B) didn't understand exactly how the daemons interacted with the physical world. It seemed to the Space Marine like magic, in the time when the GEoM was spreading the Imperial Truth: there are no gods, there is no magic, only the cold, hard reality of science. So Horus had to explain that the "daemon" was, in fact, merely a creature of the Warp.

... At least, that's how I remember it. It has, admittedly, been quite a long time since I read the Horus Heresy novels.

He later discussed the event with a Remembrancer, who didn't make the connection. He also mentioned to Horus that he'd seen similar things happen to Psykers.

As I understand it, Humanity thought that warp-beasts could only enter the world through the minds of Psykers.

[Lix Lorn]

... At least, that's how I remember it. It has, admittedly, been quite a long time since I read the Horus Heresy novels.
...just pointing out, I don't believe novels are canon. It's possible that they're an explicit exception, but... be careful?

[Pokonic]

Maybe Spike's genes are used to form the Brothers of Combat? It's conceivable that his mutation at Twilight's hooves would allow for a similar vein as the Primarchs, but not be quite as powerful, and would explain the Brothers' affinity for flame and melta-based weaponry.

And of course the most holy weapon would be the Orbs of Emerald Flame, a grenade-like weapon that teliports all who are caught in its range into the holy deamonflesh-searing radiance of the God-Emperess Herself.

[HalfTangible]

...just pointing out, I don't believe novels are canon. It's possible that they're an explicit exception, but... be careful?

I believe that Black Library books are generally considered canon unless contradicted by a codex.

[Pokonic]

Buffalo are native to Equestria, though =/

So are dragons.And manticores. And griffons. And Bears. And DDs. Who says any race must be limited to a single planet? And besides, in a merging between universes arguments like this, what does it matter if a race does not meet up with what canon dictates?

Also, on the subject of the Neigcrons: I have a suggestion to mix things up a little? Rather than have Neigcrons, how about Zecrons?

Now, please here my idea: The basic backstory is the same; a short lived race that hooked up with the Star gods and became Metal shells. Naturaly, they would have a african theme rather than the obligitory egyption one.( Ex. Immortals become Slayers) While this may seem a bit pointless to some and a needless change to others, I see no reason why we need two pony raes running around, even if one is a metal shell.

Also, I have come up for the names of Dashes legion:

The Rainbow Warriors!:smalltongue:

There is, like, three different puns in that.

[byaku rai]

*ka-bump*

So what was the final verdict on the mane 6 falling/not falling?

Also, we need more pony puns. I was thinking replacing Terminator armor with Tolerator armor. Any thoughts?

[HalfTangible]

*ka-bump*

So what was the final verdict on the mane 6 falling/not falling?

Also, we need more pony puns. I was thinking replacing Terminator armor with Tolerator armor. Any thoughts?

Since nopony's voted in a while and we had three nos and two yeses, 'no' on them falling.

[Tychris1]

HOLD THE PHONE!

*Inserts ballad vote*

I vote yes! As the saying goes, the higher you go, the harder you fall. And boy, is falling fun. And agreed on the horse puns.....hmmmm. Colt-ists?

[HalfTangible]

HOLD THE PHONE!

*Inserts ballad vote*

I vote yes! As the saying goes, the higher you go, the harder you fall. And boy, is falling fun. And agreed on the horse puns.....hmmmm. Colt-ists?

Sorry pal. I already posted. Too late.

And if it wasn't you'd tie it up.

And since i'm the mediator, I'll settle the tie and say 'no'.

Next topic, please. Yes to more pony puns!

[Tychris1]

Hmmm, this is what I can get at the top of my head.

Neighnought
Dreighdnought

I'm leaning on the second one personally, but I didn't put to much effort into making a Dreadnought pun.

[Pokonic]

Oh, 'nother space mareines legion: The Pink Angels.



Aawww, this planet is full of icky wicky heresy! Do you know what this calls for everyone? A PARTY! / CUPECAKES!

"cue planet wide blackout, followed by the screams of the doomed"



As for Pinkie herself, she is resting until the day the greatest party ever can be done, hopefully ending the threat of chaos once and for all.




Realy, the idea of a bunch of lesser clones of super-pinkie being in one of the most feared chapters of all time amuses me greatly.

[Forum Explorer]

well there is the fairly obvious Mare-keigh that I've already used. I can't think of any more alien puns though.

But now we need fallen Primarchs! Just counting the Mane 6 we need at least 5 more to face them. (Luna is one) So

Trixie (Was there ever any doubt? :smallwink:)
Discord (because yay)
Prince Blueblood
Cutie Mark Crusaders (sorta like Alpha Legion with one more)
Derpy

These good?

[Pokonic]

Actualy, Blueblood strikes me as a example of a "bad" commissioner. He uses is titles and royal blood to get what he wants, and could care less about how many "commoners" it takes to wipe out a threat.



Also, on the Cutie Mark Crusaders:

How has no one came up with the Adeptus Crusadus yet?:smallconfused:


They would be a bit like the Adeptus Arbites, exept with a more "hands on" stance on keeping things running smoothly.

[byaku rai]

well there is the fairly obvious Mare-keigh that I've already used. I can't think of any more alien puns though.

But now we need fallen Primarchs! Just counting the Mane 6 we need at least 5 more to face them. (Luna is one) So

Trixie (Was there ever any doubt? :smallwink:)
Discord (because yay)
Prince Blueblood
Cutie Mark Crusaders (sorta like Alpha Legion with one more)
Derpy

These good?

Primarchs have to be female, sadly, so Blueblood is out. Things with Discord can be fudged a bit because, well... Discord.

Fallen Derpy... :smallfrown: :smalleek: :smallbiggrin: That could potentially be awesome.

I vote for Gilda being a fallen primarch as well (fell to Khorne, naturally).

I'd rather go with vvv for the CMCs than have them be fallen primarchs. Lyra and Bon-Bon have already been suggested multiple times for the role of Alpha Legion.

So we need a couple more.


Actualy, Blueblood strikes me as a example of a "bad" commissioner. He uses is titles and royal blood to get what he wants, and could care less about how many "commoners" it takes to wipe out a threat.



Also, on the Cutie Mark Crusaders:

How has no one came up with the Adeptus Crusadus yet?:smallconfused:


They would be a bit like the Adeptus Arbites, exept with a more "hands on" stance on keeping things running smoothly.

Commissar, I'm guessing? And as much as it pains me, I'd like to suggest Blueblood as a founding member of the Inquisition. BETTER IDEA: He founded a Navigator house. Makes sense because they all suffer from horrible pride.

I second the Adeptus Crusadus.

I also vote for the tanks being named after THE PINK ONE. Simply because the concept of Pinkie Pie battle tanks makes me lol.

[Pokonic]

I vote for Gilda being a fallen primarch as well (fell to Khorne, naturally).
I personaly thought griffons would be better as a Abpony entity, considering that bird-like creatures tend to be more Teenzichian than not, and we should keep at least a few details sacred in this world.




Commissar, I'm guessing? And as much as it pains me, I'd like to suggest Blueblood as a founding member of the Inquisition.

First, yes. I ment Commissar. "slaps self"


BETTER IDEA: He founded a Navigator house. Makes sense because they all suffer from horrible pride.

And eventualy, horrible mutations. "Aunt" Luna had the last laugh on that one.:smallbiggrin:

[HalfTangible]

I personaly thought griffons would be better as a Abpony entity, considering that bird-like creatures tend to be more Teenzichian than not, and we should keep at least a few details sacred in this world. Maybe she just happened to be mutated into a changeling?

Yes, I know that in 40K there's only one changeling, I really don't care :smalltongue:

[byaku rai]

I personaly thought griffons would be better as a Abpony entity, considering that bird-like creatures tend to be more Teenzichian than not, and we should keep at least a few details sacred in this world.

That's a good point, but if Gilda is a fallen primarch that means that we can potentially have a full fallen Legion of griffons. CHAOS GRIFFONS, DUDE. O____O



And eventualy, horrible mutations. "Aunt" Luna had the last laugh on that one.:smallbiggrin:

Heh... forgot about the mutations... That makes it even better. ^^

[Pokonic]

Maybe she just happened to be mutated into a changeling?

Meh, its just a lot more interesting to have a flight of griffons attack fully armed traitors with little but there own natural weapons and come out on top that to have one existing with little more personality than "Kill Dash".
Perhapes its the fact I love "Summer Days And Evening Flames", but I want griffons protecting the streets, dang it!



That's a good point, but if Gilda is a fallen primarch that means that we can potentially have a full fallen Legion of griffons. CHAOS GRIFFONS, DUDE. O____O

See above, but that is a realy cool idea.

I mean, they are smarter than a Ogron. There is no reason why a flight could not fall to Chaos, and even more if they are treated like animals from your average pony. ( I am looking at you, Blueblood!)



CHAOS GRIFFONS

So want fanart. Like, right now.

[Forum Explorer]

I still support Prince Blueblood for fallen Primarch. Because he would fall to Slaanash and once that happen gender is just momentary details :smallwink:

[byaku rai]

I still support Prince Blueblood for fallen Primarch. Because he would fall to Slaanash and once that happen gender is just momentary details :smallwink:

Point. o_o

[Lix Lorn]

I don't think all the legions should be ponies. It would be a nice touch if the benevolent empress made some of her 'children' non-ponies, to 'respect the contributions of their allied races'.
...or even if the Mareine enhancements were cross-species compatible.

Assault marines=griffons
Elephants=devastators (Stability)

Etc.

[Pokonic]

I still support Prince Blueblood for fallen Primarch. Because he would fall to Slaanash and once that happen gender is just momentary details.
The thing is, we still need to flesh out this world beyond the Primarchs, and Bloodblood is just too good of a option for other positions needing filling to pass up.


I don't think all the legions should be ponies. It would be a nice touch if the benevolent empress made some of her 'children' non-ponies, to 'respect the contributions of their allied races'.
...or even if the Mareine enhancements were cross-species compatible.

Assault marines=griffons
Elephants=devastators (Stability)


Still sticking with my Abpony-Griffon thing, however.
And I would have thought a supernaturaly red-hot metal Elephant would make a darn fine Greater Deamon for Khorne, would you not agree? It fits the theme, at least.:smallbiggrin:

Also, on cross-species mareines= I would think that it would be odd for the gene-seed of a pony ( A alicorn, but still a pony.) would effect the races of this world the same way.( I now have a picture of a buffalo the size of a small house in my head,thanks to you.)

That, and it would subtract the things you could do with that race if it were not lumped in with the empire. However, I could see them being more open to other races for entry into the IG. Oh, I have a few ideas for xenos to add in if anyone is interested.


Also, does anyone approve of Zecrons?

[Forum Explorer]

The thing is, we still need to flesh out this world beyond the Primarchs, and Bloodblood is just too good of a option for other positions needing filling to pass up.


Also, does anyone approve of Zecrons?

I can't think of anything better then a Slanaash Primarch for Blueblood. Just like I can't see Trixie as anything other than the Tzeentch Primarch.


I approve of Zecrons. Will the player have to rhyme all of their talking?

[Pokonic]

I can't think of anything better then a Slanaash Primarch for Blueblood. Just like I can't see Trixie as anything other than the Tzeentch Primarch.


I approve of Zecrons. Will the player have to rhyme all of their talking?


1. Why not as the ruler/founder of a literal noble house?

2. Only there lords. And there Pariahs, if you wish to be creepy.

Or never. It could just be that rhyming is a Zecora thing, not a Zebra thing.

[Forum Explorer]

1. Why not as the ruler/founder of a literal noble house?

2. Only there lords. And there Pariahs, if you wish to be creepy.

Or never. It could just be that rhyming is a Zecora thing, not a Zebra thing.

but noble houses get almost no mention in the fluff as is. Founders of nobles houses can be given to background characters like Berry Punch or DJ PON3. Also who would we use then for the Slanaash primarch?

[Pokonic]

but noble houses get almost no mention in the fluff as is. Founders of nobles houses can be given to background characters like Berry Punch or DJ PON3. Also who would we use then for the Slanaash primarch?

... Derpy?

[Lix Lorn]

Oh, one thing that I think we should agree on.

Final say for things should go to whoever's playing them. If someone's playing Blood Angels, they should get last say on them. If someone's playing necrons, they get to pick what necrons are. Same for everything else.

For the stuff we're doing now which is cross-faction Imperium wide fluff it's best as group decision, but mainly for those playing imperials.

[Tychris1]

I second the idea of someone having control on what they are.

Question on that: How would that work for me/Shadowy? Since we're both chaos would I have control over Chaos Space Marines, him over Cultists, and we both agree on Daemons?

[Pokonic]

Question on that: How would that work for me/Shadowy? Since we're both chaos would I have control over Chaos Space Marines, him over Cultists, and we both agree on Daemons?


Are you guys both Chaos Undivided? If not, it might be best to pick a god and stick with it, just to make sure you have differant selections of superpowered warp beings. Which, I may add, are now up in the OOC thread.

[Grif]

I would suggest having griffons as part of the Equestrian Guard instead, maybe forming those Airborne regiments, rather than shoe-horning them into Space/Chaos Mareines or Chaos cultists.

No to CMC being the fallen ones. Might as well use a background pony for these. Colgate, Dr. Whooves, etc.

[Pokonic]

Hmmm, I'd have to go with Cockatrice for basic daemon (Flamer of Tzeentch) but instead of having Stone stare swap it with Chaotic Fire spray. Warped blue birds flying around shooting fire from there eyes. Tzeentch would be proud.....

As for the Greater Daemon, I'd think that Griffons would fill that position well (Atleast a warped up ferocious Griffon; that way we can use normal Griffons for other things, perhaps as the normal troops for Thousand Sons but that's a different idea). Have them stand on there hind legs, give them a staff, blue feathers, and warp'em around a bit and you'd have a pretty good Greater Daemon.

Oh, I like the ideas on the Cockatrice! And because they tend to split, how about the blue one keeping the stone gaze, but the lesser pink one spouting warpfire? Just attempting to keep a compramise. As for the colors: Warp Phenoxes and Warp Simurghs? Its even better, because Simurghs brought hope to the lands they flew over.

As for Griffons as Greater Daemons: I thought it was concrete that Griffons where at least willing to work for ponykind. Having two kinds of griffons would just confuse most people, and there is nothing more stoping a griffon to go Chaos then there is to a empirical guardspony.

And besides, what could be a better example of the will of the God of Change than a multheaded monstrosity with conflicting biologies with at least several plans to kill off its own personalities? I mean, we have the dragon head spewing toxic body-warping fumes, the goat head breathing out supercharged warpfire (not making this up!), and the lion head acting as the "true" head, casting the spells and the like. Oh, we could have a snake head for a tail, if we want. Thats like, 20% crazier than anything a bipedal Griffon could be. Heck, I can feel a "just as planed" vibe coming of this thing!

[HalfTangible]

Oh, one thing that I think we should agree on.

Final say for things should go to whoever's playing them. If someone's playing Blood Angels, they should get last say on them. If someone's playing necrons, they get to pick what necrons are. Same for everything else.

For the stuff we're doing now which is cross-faction Imperium wide fluff it's best as group decision, but mainly for those playing imperials.

I think that for canon-central, well established chapters like that, we should establish canon. At least a bit of it. Like, the Imperial Fists are siege experts, or Ultramareines are boy scouts.

Individual companies and captains are, of course, allowed to have final say. Like an Imperial Fists company that specializes in field assault as opposed to siege, or a port of Captain Titus (Ultramarine with loose interpretation of the codex)

[Knut]

My thoughts so far...

obvious:
+The Emprah -> Celestia(still a princess or empress?)
+Horus -> Luna


+Fulgrim -> Rarity
+Sanguinius -> Rainbow Dash(he has wings and was a pretty loyal guy, like Dashie is )
+Magnus(the Red) -> Trixie(the Blue)
+Erebus(Word Bearers)-Discord (once a pony now a demon prince)
+Rogal Dorn -> Applejack(even colors fit kind of and some of you guy are ok with it)
+Lion el Jonson ->Fluttershy


Legion Names:

+Emperors Children -> Princess's Fillys
+Thousand Sons -> Thousand Colts
+Imperial Fists -> Imperial Hooves
+Dark Angels -> Dark Angels (see fluttershy/angelbunny)

Also i like that idea with Twilight and Lemand Russ, so the Legion Name would be Space Wyrms?

About the "Mane 6 falling/not falling issue", so it's decided that they will be loyal to the very end. But some traitor legions fit them pretty well i think. So for example, how about Raritys Princess Fillys stay loyal after the heresy?

[Lix Lorn]

I think that for canon-central, well established chapters like that, we should establish canon. At least a bit of it. Like, the Imperial Fists are siege experts, or Ultramareines are boy scouts.

Individual companies and captains are, of course, allowed to have final say. Like an Imperial Fists company that specializes in field assault as opposed to siege, or a port of Captain Titus (Ultramarine with loose interpretation of the codex)
Oh, of course. I think we should take liberties, not just throw canon away.

[Tychris1]

Hmmm, Pokonic. It's technically not from the Chimera but I remember reading it from a card somewhere. Basically it's the idea that a monstrous several headed dragon is filled to the brim with spiders/scorpions/other harmful baddies. Making it a total killing machine. Perhaps we could put that into the Chimera or Nurgle Bear? Perhaps even spewing out lesser Daemons upon death as a final "Frak you" to the poor space marine left with the mess.

edit: And yeah, I'd have to agree with everything you said. Light someone on fire, turn them to stone so they can't run away (But still feel pain), and light them on fire again!

[Pokonic]

I still say we go with the Rainbow Warriors and Pink angels, tho.


Hmmm, Pokonic. It's technically not from the Chimera but I remember reading it from a card somewhere. Basically it's the idea that a monstrous several headed dragon is filled to the brim with spiders/scorpions/other harmful baddies. Making it a total killing machine. Perhaps we could put that into the Chimera or Nurgle Bear? Perhaps even spewing out lesser Daemons upon death as a final "Frak you" to the poor space marine left with the mess.

Well, little cublings are going to spew out of the Nurgle Bear (Mama Loves you!) like, well, pus from a wound, but I think we may need somthing a little differant if we are going to give the Chimera weird blood. To me, honestly, tiny stinging thingies for blood sounds like a Slannish thing. Great, you have found a way to make the Manticore more deadly.
That, or Hydras just got a whole lot scarier. Lix, take note.

Oh, do you agree with what I said in my last post about chaos, by any chance?

[Lix Lorn]

That, or Hydras just got a whole lot scarier. Lix, take note.
Mwah?
Why me?

[Pokonic]

Mwah?
Why me?

Just found you a Biotitan. :smalltongue:


edit: And yeah, I'd have to agree with everything you said. Light someone on fire, turn them to stone so they can't run away (But still feel pain), and light them on fire again!

And then levitate whatevers left and launch it at whoever remains!

[Lix Lorn]

Just found you a Biotitan. :smalltongue:
Ha. Considered it already. xD

[Pokonic]

Ha. Considered it already.

Even the tiny critters for blood part?

[Lix Lorn]

No, that part is new.

[Pokonic]

No, that part is new.

See? It makes it even more horrific! :smalltongue:


It could be something like this : The Hydra itself does not have inhanced regeneration. Rather, it has small creatures liveing inside it that rapidly repairs it from the inside out, a bit like a liveing nanobot. These little buggers breed in a pouch located deep within the main body, and as such a Hydra could survive ad infinitum as long as the spritedrones have the biomass to repair it, which is stored in what would be a stomach on any other beast. They would use the same organ that it uses to repair the hydra to stab and sting things if it is agitated.

So yeah, as long as a Hydras actual body is intact, it can regenerate. And every time you hurt it, tiny stinging things come out.

[Tychris1]

The more and more I think about the ideas going on here and how they`re being applied, the more and more I realize that killing Lixie is going to be harder then I thought. Also what if the hydra had weapons built inside of there mouths in the place of tounges? Heavy venom cannon anyone?

[Grif]

The more and more I think about the ideas going on here and how they`re being applied, the more and more I realize that killing Lixie is going to be harder then I thought. Also what if the hydra had weapons built inside of there mouths in the place of tounges? Heavy venom cannon anyone?

And some of you think I'm being unnecessarily alarmist. :smalltongue:

Paranids are srs biznes.

Men! Level that forest!

[Pokonic]

Heavy venom cannon anyone?
Nah, Paranid launcher! :smalleek:
" Oh sweet Celestia, its under my ribs! And its breeding in me! Oh Sweet Celestia, I CAN FEEL THEM EATING M-"muffled crunching sounds, followed by hoof-sized bugs flying out of what was once a pony."

Men! Level that forest!


You FOOL! Those are not trees.... those are hairs! Get on the ship, on to the ship! To Camelorragh! Start up the warp jumpers; we can get there before whatever it is wakes up! Screw this rotten planet and everything on it!

[byaku rai]

The more and more I think about the ideas going on here and how they`re being applied, the more and more I realize that killing Lixie is going to be harder then I thought. Also what if the hydra had weapons built inside of there mouths in the place of tounges? Heavy venom cannon anyone?

Yeah, that's what 'Nids are supposed to be in the fluff.

Nuke them from orbit Exterminatus, it's the only way to be sure.

[Lix Lorn]

(giggles)
ALL WILL JOIN THE HERDMIND.

[HalfTangible]

(giggles)
ALL WILL JOIN THE HERDMIND.


That's Borgh :tongue:

[Pokonic]

ALL WILL JOIN THE HERDMIND.


Good luck doing that while a group of flying deer snipe your big creatures down from skies!:smalltongue:




Off-topic:Do the Dou even have herds? What are they a pun of, anyway?:smallconfused: I thought they where DDogs, but they seem to be smaller ponies.

[byaku rai]

Good luck doing that while a group of flying deer snipe your big creatures down from skies!:smalltongue:




Off-topic:Do the Dou even have herds? What are they a pun of, anyway?:smallconfused: I thought they where DDogs, but they seem to be smaller ponies.

*shrug* I would have made them Zebra, personally (the Zau, anypony?) but the link in the OP just has them as smaller ponies. http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.png

[Tychris1]

Dau=Doe

A smaller horse like being. Can`t remember exactly what it is but I think it`s deer like. To google!

[Pokonic]

shrug* I would have made them Zebra, personally (the Zau, anypony?) but the link in the OP just has them as smaller ponies.

Zau or Zecrons, Zau or Zecorons, what shall we pick?



Wait, we could do both! Among the fluff-readers of 40k, there are a few rumers about the tau being living Necrontyr, due to there simularity in decriptions (ex. short lifespan, fantastic tech, ex.), and that the tau could have been isolated from everyone else because the Powers of The Warp found a few living specimans liveing in a backwater planet somewhere, and that they sealed them from the rest of a galaxy with a warpstorm.


Of course, we could have DDs, cause who wants two different factions of the same race?


Edit: A doe, a doe,a female deer....

[byaku rai]

Dau=Doe

A smaller horse like being. Can`t remember exactly what it is but I think it`s deer like. To google!

I'm afraid you're mistaken, my friend. According to the link in the OP, the Dau are just smaller ponies with a single nostril and beady eyes. Eldeer (Eldar--> Space Elves) are the only deer present.

We could, of course, refluff any of the factions to be whatever we want, but having more than one faction be the same species could be... confusing, to say the least. So if we have Zau, we probably shouldn't have Zecrons, and vice versa. Although it is possible, and it should go down to whoever winds up playing that faction, if anypony.

[Pokonic]

Cows, anyone? Just kidding.:smalltongue:


Well, DDs are already metioned in my own fan-made fluff as existing, whats the chances that a group became isolated for a thousand years and seperated into there own "breeds"? Naturaly as small as a normal dog, they created a advanced civilisation with tech due to a thriving culture under the command of the Alphas.

We shall call them... Dougs. :smallbiggrin:

[Lix Lorn]

That's Borgh :tongue:
I'm using elements of Borg. :smalltongue:
Tyranids+Ponies+Borg+Phyrexia+Anything that seems cool.

[byaku rai]

We should come up with names for the Equestrian Space Mareine chapters, at least the ones which kept their Legions' names.

Twilight Sparkle: Space Dragons, perhaps, if we're taking the Spike route

Fluttershy: Dark Angels (named after the bunny, naturally)

Rainbow Dash: The Rainbow Warriors

Applejack: The Imperial Hooves

Pinkie Pie: ... I got nothin'. NEXT

Rarity: ... nope, still nothin'.

I'd at least like a working name for Rarity's Legion before I make my next post in the IC thread.

[HalfTangible]

We should come up with names for the Equestrian Space Mareine chapters, at least the ones which kept their Legions' names.

Twilight Sparkle: Space Dragons, perhaps, if we're taking the Spike route

Fluttershy: Dark Angels (named after the bunny, naturally)

Rainbow Dash: The Rainbow Warriors

Applejack: The Imperial Hooves

Pinkie Pie: ... I got nothin'. NEXT

Rarity: ... nope, still nothin'.

I'd at least like a working name for Rarity's Legion before I make my next post in the IC thread.

Pinkie Pie: ... Dunno, but their battlecry must be "CUPCAKES!"

Rarity: Star Sapphires

Also: this is for the Ponyhammer universe as a whole, not the Incipio game. :smalltongue:

[byaku rai]

Pinkie Pie: ... Dunno, but their battlecry must be "CUPCAKES!"

Rarity: Star Sapphires

Also: this is for the Ponyhammer universe as a whole, not the Incipio game. :smalltongue:

The only problem I see with Star Sapphires is that it's the name of a DC Comics character. x.x

I need the name of Rarity's Legion for the backstory of one of the entourage, so it does affect the Incipio game in that small way.

[HalfTangible]

The only problem I see with Star Sapphires is that it's the name of a DC Comics character. x.x

I need the name of Rarity's Legion for the backstory of one of the entourage, so it does affect the Incipio game in that small way.

So? :smallconfused: Star Sapphire is a type of jewel and fits both with space mareines and rarity's three sapphire cutie mark. Even if we were making a profit the name of a jewel isn't copyrighted.

[byaku rai]

So? :smallconfused: Star Sapphire is a type of jewel and fits both with space mareines and rarity's three sapphire cutie mark. Even if we were making a profit the name of a jewel isn't copyrighted.

Okay then, Star Sapphires can work. We still need Pinkie's Legion, though. How about The Pink Ones?

[Grif]

The Thousand Parties.

You know this must be done.

[HalfTangible]

The Thousand Parties.

You know this must be done.

...

No. Just... NO. It sounds awful AND the thousand sons was a traitor legion.

[Grif]

...

No. Just... NO. It sounds awful AND the thousand sons was a traitor legion.

We're already abstracting from the canon 40k lore, so it wouldn't really matter imo. Plus I think it fits her name better than most of the suggested ones.

[HalfTangible]

We're already abstracting from the canon 40k lore, so it wouldn't really matter imo. Plus I think it fits her name better than most of the suggested ones.

A) It still sounds awful. Sorry, but it does...

B) This would mean that each mareine would be referred to as a 'party', which requires multiple ponies.

C) Couldn't we just pick a brand new name or maybe just go with an established loyalist chapter? Aside from Blood Angels(Sanguinius) and Night Lords(Night Haunter) which Legion's names really fit their primarch from the get-go anyway?

[Lix Lorn]

I quite like it myself.

[Pokonic]

Whats the matter with the Night Parties?

Also, Butterfly Angels, why do you get no love?:smallfrown:

[HalfTangible]

Ok. Let's take our picks of Legion names. We'll do the mane six for now.

Primarch/Legion names


Twilight Sparkle: Space Dragons

Fluttershy: Dark Angels, Butterfly Angels, Butterflies

Rainbow Dash: The Rainbow Warriors, Wonderbolts, Sonic Scars, Rainbow Scars, Prism Warriors

Applejack: The Imperial Hooves

Pinkie Pie: The Thousand Parties, The Pink Ones, Night Parties, Blood [Cup?]Cakes

Rarity: The Star Sapphires

If anyone has any suggestions other than those listed above, speak now or forever zip thy lips :smalltongue:

[Forum Explorer]

For those with multiple choices

Dark Angels

The Pink Ones

Rainbow Dash should be the Wonderbolts, or Sonic Scars, or even Rainbow Scars

[Grif]

For those with multiple choices

Dark Angels

The Pink Ones

Rainbow Dash should be the Wonderbolts, or Sonic Scars, or even Rainbow Scars

Rainbow Dash's is definitely the Wonderbolts. There can be no other. :smalltongue:

For Fluttershy's and Pinkie's, I pick Butterfly Angels and The Thousand Parties.

[byaku rai]

I second Sonic Scars for RD.

Still not entirely happy with Rarity's legion being the Star Sapphires, but http://i.imgur.com/JmPL5.png

After all, it's not like I can come up with anything better.

I do vote for her home planet being called Carousel, however. And the fortress-manestery being the Boutique. Oh god I just willingly made a pun SOMETHING IS HORRIBLY WRONG WITH ME

[Pokonic]

I am still going with the Rainbow Warriors.



As for the Wonderbolts: I could see them as a force related to what the Officio Assassinorum is to the Imperial troops.
A high speed, elite force with a exclusive access to some of the greatest weapons in the world? That, and the wonderbolts seem to me like a air show from a geniune military unit. It would be even more twisted if young childeren grow up with the dream of excaping there normal lives to become part of the top hit squads in the world.

So took this from F:E.

[byaku rai]

I am still going with the Rainbow Warriors.



As for the Wonderbolts: I could see them as a force related to what the Officio Assassinorum is to the Imperial troops.
A high speed, elite force with a exclusive access to some of the greatest weapons in the world? That, and the wonderbolts seem to me like a air show from a geniune military unit. It would be even more twisted if young childeren grow up with the dream of excaping there normal lives to become part of the top hit squads in the world.

So took this from F:E.

Alternatively, perhaps the Wonderbolts could be an elite squad of Assault Mareines in RD's Legion? Sort of their version of the Terminators, since I couldn't imagine a Pegasus willingly wearing something which pins them to the ground?

[Grif]

Alternatively, perhaps the Wonderbolts could be an elite squad of Assault Mareines in RD's Legion? Sort of their version of the Terminators, since I couldn't imagine a Pegasus willingly wearing something which pins them to the ground?
I suddenly have this vision of a Terminator pegasus strapping a jetpack to his back and flying all over the place.

[TechnoScrabble]

Does anybdy here know the Prism warriors? The Aztec and Greek themed blue spehss mehreens with the rainbow emblem? I think they'd do great under ainbow Dash's leadership.

[Forum Explorer]

I am still going with the Rainbow Warriors.



As for the Wonderbolts: I could see them as a force related to what the Officio Assassinorum is to the Imperial troops.
A high speed, elite force with a exclusive access to some of the greatest weapons in the world? That, and the wonderbolts seem to me like a air show from a geniune military unit. It would be even more twisted if young childeren grow up with the dream of excaping there normal lives to become part of the top hit squads in the world.

So took this from F:E.

I'll grant you that but I still like Sonic Scars or Rainbow Scars better. Rainbow Warriors sounds awkward.

[Pokonic]

I'll grant you that but I still like Sonic Scars or Rainbow Scars better. Rainbow Warriors sounds awkward.

Thats kinda the point. Its a pun off the fact that Dash is considered the "anyone can get a ride" pony in the shipping circles. Add to the fact that the rainbow is one of the main things people associate with LGBT groups, well...:smallsmile:

If no one else wants Rainbow Warriors, I say we could go with the Rainbow Scars.


I suddenly have this vision of a Terminator pegasus strapping a jetpack to his back and flying all over the place.

Oh, nice!

Another idea: the ability to create a aura around oneself while flying is considered to be one of the greatest abilitys a peguasus can have. There are sets of armor that exist that amplify this aura, creating, say, a small stormcloud or a fireball around the wearer. This could be used as both a weapon against the mind and body, for who could be considered safe if a super fast thundercloud is hunting them down? Naturaly, those that remain are kept in the most secure places in the world, and only the top brass of pegusi troops have the ability to access the remaining armor sets.


Oh, I am putting down a semidetailed list of Daemons on here later, so any comments on what was not set in stone?

[Pokonic]

Okay, while I hate to double post, I think this needs its own post.
Anyway, here are the daemons of chaos!

Khorne

General information:Daemons tend to have both Ferrous and Mammalian traits, often with metal melding with flesh. General mutations tend to be anything from iron flesh to a molten heart inside the body, pumping magma in lew of blood. Cults are surprisingly rare among ponies, for Khorn prefers creatures with robust bodies , such as Buffalo and Goats. Generaly, creatures with horns with herd-like social groups are prime cult recrutes. However, Khorn alows all who can prove themselves into his ford.

Daemons

Juggernauts: Great rhino-like beasts of bone and brass, these creatures have a molten core shelded by a layer of brass that serves as a skin. There massive horn leak a fluid that is generaly red-hot, and there very touch can roast flesh.

Gorehorns: Massive molten mammoths, the Gorehorn is the Greater Daemon of the god of blood. Generaly thought to be impossiable to kill in close combat, your best bet to surviving a encounter with one is to leave the planet. There tusks can rip thru nearly any solid substance like particualy hot butter, and they are able to spit up chucks of molten metal at great distances.

Chaos hounds: Large pack creatures, these monsters are capiable of many forms of travel, the most interesting of which is the ability to travel thru right angles. There apperance to dogs and wolves is said to be incedental, but some claim to have seen the faces of legendary Dogish mercs in the faces of a few of these great beasts.

Legendary beasts: These creatures are thought to be individuals, or at least very rare.

The Creberi: A great three-headed Chaos hound, this great beast has led to the distruction of entire planets. Its is said to be the father of all other Chaos hounds and that its the greatest of there kind. Its is said that each of its three heads could eat a full-grown dragon in midflight. As for its curran whereibouts, it is said to be chained at the seat of Khorns throne, waiting for the day it can consume all of Equestria.

The Ashen Bull: Said to be the first Daemon Prince of Khorn, the Ashen Bull is a horrer that has doomed thousends of planets. Said to have been a great buffalo tribe leader in the days before the princesses, the Bull today is made completly out of semimoltan steel, with a great pair of wings made entirely of shadows and flames trailing behind it. It tends to leave places it attacks with great plains of obsidion and glass. Currantly dorment on some backwater planet, but could be contacted if found.

Tzeentch

General information: Daemons tend to be bird-like, with all having skills in manipulating magic. Mutations range from gaining wings to becoming blobs of avian flesh. Extra limbs are common. Cults are spead thin, but exist in nearly every race.

Daemons

Cockatrice: This daemon is actualy a group of two daemons; the Simurga and the Cockatrice. The Simurga is the lesser of the two, for it launches magical blasts as its main weapon. The true Cockatrice, on the other hand, has a magical glare that turns all that meet its eyes into stone. This is negated it the wearer has powerful magical protection, however.
A Cockatrice can be spotted due to its serpentine lower body and having a darker coloration than its lessers, which tend to have a utterly gaudy array of colors.

Warp Pheniox Mockeries of true Phenioxes, these horrible birds spray caustic warpflames in every direction. Even worse, they tend to explode in a array of ashes at death, and if not treated properly they will reform once again to decimate your troops. Energy weapons are your best bet, and cutting them from the warp makes them unable to reform.

Chimera:The rightly feared Greater Daemons of Tzeentch, these cosmic scheamers tend to have there paws/talons/(DATA EXPUNGED) in anything that pleases it. There most defining feature is the aray of heads a individual has. While the goat, lion,and dragon array is traditional, this is not always true. Some have the heads of tigers or panthers, while some have the heads of serpents or even birds.
Even their bodies are prone to variation, ranging from cat-like to dragonic in form and shape. Their wings may be anything from bird-like to bat-like, and they all have there own goals and ambitions. Even with this chaotic mess of traits, these fiends are some of the worst opponents a pony can face, for they rarely choose to fight themselves.

Legendary beasts:

The Ruby Eagle: Perhapes the greatest foe to developing worlds in existance, the Ruby Eagle is a magnificent creature, possesing a brillance usualy seen only on the most favored of Slannesh. Its wingspan is wider than a buffalo is tall, and it seems to be made of millions of interlocked rubies, each reflecting sunlight in the most wonderful of ways. It often apperers on doomed planets, using its powers of the mind to preach a way of goverment or a new way to harvest crops to the fearfull and morose population. As it spreads its message of hope and joy, it also brings in new and ever craftier ways of bringing the helpless into Tzeentchs fold. Every new ritual is in slight homage to the lord of hope, and a bejeweled eagle can be seen on every goverment building. At the end, the eagle consumes all the souls of the populace and adds them to the billions already trapped inside the gems that make up its form. Neverless, the Bringer of Hope is already on his way to help the next planet, and new members of the choir that makes up his voice are subdued and joyfull at what shall happen next.

Currently flying to a poor provincal planet inhabited by recently-freed griffons with no natural way of getting meat.

The Draconequus: Quite possiably the creature with the most confusing background in history, no one is sure just what is this beast. With a mix-mach array of features and cosmic powers, this entity is powerful in ways not thought possiable. Some claim he is a Daemon prince, while others think he is a vessal for Tzeentch himself to interact with the world. Some claim that he was even one of the missing childeren of Celestia herself!

Even this beasts deeds are in question. Some claim that it was he who corrupted Luna, while others think he participated in the acts that led to the fall of the Eldeer. Others even whisper that he was the one to create the warpstorm that isolated the Dougs from the rest of there kind! Neverless, the servents of the lord of hope remains rather silant on the whole thing, mearly refering to him as the "Lord of The Chimeras."

Current location: Records show that, as a protective measure, several places have been listed as the currant container for the Chimera lord. However, the most probable place for his physical form is lies deep within the Fortress-Temple of Krazon-Tom, sealed within a massive lump of Zecrontiyr metal covered in miles of compressed earth. Protected by the proud Goats, it is rumured that, if the metal was ever breeched, there would be nothing stopping the Draconequus from using the other treasures within it to take over the entire planet.


Nurgal and Slannishes spawn will be up.... later. Oh, and spot the many, many referances, if you can! If you can guess what the eagle was taken from without searching it, you will earn a mutated cake.

[HalfTangible]

Ok. Twilight, Applejack and Rarity only recieved one suggestion each that I could find, so they get those... Other mane six are up to a vote.

Fluttershy: Dark Angels, Butterfly Angels, Butterflies

Rainbow Dash: The Rainbow Warriors, Wonderbolts, Sonic Scars, Rainbow Scars, Prism Warriors

Pinkie Pie: The Thousand Parties, The Pink Ones, Night Parties, Blood [Cup?]Cakes

-=Trojan=-

The Trojan are the Imperium's greatest weapon of war. The behemoths tower over the battlefield, each step like the clap of a mighty god. The war machine is made of thick adamantium and fortified with the magical energies of hundreds of unicorns within it's frame. Each of it's cannons fire with the wrath of the gods themselves. The war machines are built in the shape of metallic alicorns, though the wings are nigh-useless in battle and are only used in retrieval operations.

Trojan are built and deployed by the Collegia Titanica, the most powerful military arm of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Minimum crew requirements is technically 212, though it is traditional to have at least 300 - 150 unicorns, 150 earth ponies. Pegasi do not pilot Trojan (most pegasi with the skill would instead serve on a battle-cruiser) and any and all pilots must at least be initiated in the Machine Cults.

Watcha think?

[byaku rai]

Ok. Twilight, Applejack and Rarity only recieved one suggestion each that I could find, so they get those... Other mane six are up to a vote.

Fluttershy: Dark Angels, Butterfly Angels, Butterflies

Rainbow Dash: The Rainbow Warriors, Wonderbolts, Sonic Scars, Rainbow Scars, Prism Warriors

Pinkie Pie: The Thousand Parties, The Pink Ones, Night Parties, Blood [Cup?]Cakes

-=Trojan=-

The Trojan are the Imperium's greatest weapon of war. The behemoths tower over the battlefield, each step like the clap of a mighty god. The war machine is made of thick adamantium and fortified with the magical energies of hundreds of unicorns within it's frame. Each of it's cannons fire with the wrath of the gods themselves. The war machines are built in the shape of metallic alicorns, though the wings are nigh-useless in battle and are only used in retrieval operations.

Trojan are built and deployed by the Collegia Titanica, the most powerful military arm of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Minimum crew requirements is technically 212, though it is traditional to have at least 300 - 150 unicorns, 150 earth ponies. Pegasi do not pilot Trojan (most pegasi with the skill would instead serve on a battle-cruiser) and any and all pilots must at least be initiated in the Machine Cults.

Watcha think?

FS: Dark Angels

RD: Rainbow Scars... As much as I like Sonic Scars, this just goes with her better.

Pinkie: The Pink Ones. Definitely.

As for Trojans, HERE IS ALL MY YES.

[Tychris1]

FS: Dark Angels

RD: Rainbow Scars

Pinkie pie: The Pink Ones

Chaos Trojan vs. Imperial Trojan vs. Heirophant Hydra. GO GO GO, so yes to Trojan.

[Forum Explorer]

FS: Dark Angels

RD: Rainbow Scars

PP: The Pink Ones

Trojans are awesome good job!

[Pokonic]

FS: Dark Angels

RD: The Rainbow Warriors

PP:Night Parties


Trojans are amazing, btw.



Chaos Trojan vs. Imperial Trojan vs. Heirophant Hydra. GO GO GO, so yes to Trojan.

Add in a Ursa Plagus, and you get one doomed planet.

I wonder, who would win: The regenerating creature with stinging things for blood or a crazy-toxic mound of rotting ursine flesh that periodicly spawns its childeren all over the place?


Actualy, do Nurgals plagues have any effect on 'nids as a species, or do they just come back with a immuinity to them? I dont belive that I have seen anything like that in the lore, but that might just have to do with the fact tha Chaos and the swarm tend to stay away from each other.

[Forum Explorer]

FS: Dark Angels

RD: The Rainbow Warriors

PP:Night Parties


Trojans are amazing, btw.




Add in a Ursa Plagus, and you get one doomed planet.

I wonder, who would win: The regenerating creature with stinging things for blood or a crazy-toxic mound of rotting ursine flesh that periodicly spawns its childeren all over the place?


Actualy, do Nurgals plagues have any effect on 'nids as a species, or do they just come back with a immuinity to them? I dont belive that I have seen anything like that in the lore, but that might just have to do with the fact tha Chaos and the swarm tend to stay away from each other.

Nurgle plagues do affect Nids if they aren't in a hive fleet. Otherwise they just eat all of the bacteria and viruses as well.

[Pokonic]

Nurgle plagues do affect Nids if they aren't in a hive fleet. Otherwise they just eat all of the bacteria and viruses as well.

Ah, okay. Well, that ruins my plan to get the coltests to unleash some horrific pathogen on Lixis Hive-mind avatar. Oh well, I see like, three different ways of winning this thing without even losing a named Eldeer. Also, I wonder if I should just camp on the largest chunk of soulstones and wait until I can unload a whole ships worth of ammunition on a group of Eldeer for giggles.

Meh, most likely not. Theres not alot of mutilation or pain involved in that plan.


On Topic: Will the currant locations of the varying armys be on the map, by any chance? I would like to see just how far away my main ship is, to, say, the CSMs currant camp.

[HalfTangible]

On Topic: Will the currant locations of the varying armys be on the map, by any chance? I would like to see just how far away my main ship is, to, say, the CSMs currant camp.

This would be something to go in the Incipio campaign's thread :smalltongue:

I'd say that's long enough waitin'. I'll tally...

Including my votes, that makes...

Dark Angels for Fluttershy with 5 votes
Rainbow Scars for Rainbow Dash with 4 votes
The Pink Ones for Pinkie Pie with 3 votes.

[HalfTangible]

Ok. The Mane six have had their legions named, anyone who feels like writing further lore for each, feel free to do so.

In the meantime...

I believe we decided on 16 primarchs.

Ok. So we have the mane six and Luna... that leaves 9 other ponies. Suggestions? (We'll probably have to decide via elimination process)

I suggest:
Trixie (Thousand Sons analogue)
Lyra/Bon-Bon (Alpha Legion)

(Also, how does everypony feel about Big Macintosh being chosen to sit in the golden stable while Celestia confronts Luna in the battle for terra?)

[Forum Explorer]

Ok. The Mane six have had their legions named, anyone who feels like writing further lore for each, feel free to do so.

In the meantime...

I believe we decided on 16 primarchs.

Ok. So we have the mane six and Luna... that leaves 9 other ponies. Suggestions? (We'll probably have to decide via elimination process)

I suggest:
Trixie (Thousand Sons analogue)
Lyra/Bon-Bon (Alpha Legion)

(Also, how does everypony feel about Big Macintosh being chosen to sit in the golden stable while Celestia confronts Luna in the battle for terra?)

I'd rather the Cutie Mark Crusaders be the Alpha Legion.

Or

After the Luna Heresy Twilight Sparkle ordered the reformation of the legions into chapters. Since nopony had the power to go against her desicion the reform took place. However three captains from different legions that had fought together disagreed with Twilight's attitude and took their forces and formed the Cutie Mark Crusaders, a chapter that was dedicated to continuing Celestia's Crusade.

[byaku rai]

Ok. The Mane six have had their legions named, anyone who feels like writing further lore for each, feel free to do so.

In the meantime...

I believe we decided on 16 primarchs.

Ok. So we have the mane six and Luna... that leaves 9 other ponies. Suggestions? (We'll probably have to decide via elimination process)

I suggest:
Trixie (Thousand Sons analogue)
Lyra/Bon-Bon (Alpha Legion)

(Also, how does everypony feel about Big Macintosh being chosen to sit in the golden stable while Celestia confronts Luna in the battle for terra?)

I second your suggestions. I'd also like to add Derpy Hooves as a primarch, although I have no idea what legion she'd best analogue.

I'll get back to you on other options, I'm not in the right state of mind for this right now.


I'd rather the Cutie Mark Crusaders be the Alpha Legion.

Or

After the Luna Heresy Twilight Sparkle ordered the reformation of the legions into chapters. Since nopony had the power to go against her desicion the reform took place. However three captains from different legions that had fought together disagreed with Twilight's attitude and took their forces and formed the Cutie Mark Crusaders, a chapter that was dedicated to continuing Celestia's Crusade.

I like the second suggestion.

[HalfTangible]

After the Luna Heresy Twilight Sparkle ordered the reformation of the legions into chapters. Since nopony had the power to go against her desicion the reform took place. However three captains from different legions that had fought together disagreed with Twilight's attitude and took their forces and formed the Cutie Mark Crusaders, a chapter that was dedicated to continuing Celestia's Crusade.I like it. Let's do that. The CMC are now officially the founders of the Black Templar. WHich are now called the Cutie Mark Crusaders.

However, may i suggest this:

The Cutie Mark Crusaders. After the Luna Heresy, Twilight Sparkle called for ......ya know what? Never mind. I wanted to do this whole long story about how the three crusaders donned matching terminator armor, and which one was actually the primarch was lost to time, but I couldn't find a way to make that work without seeming stupid and contrived.


I second your suggestions. I'd also like to add Derpy Hooves as a primarch, although I have no idea what legion she'd best analogue.

Derpy Hooves. Alriiiight. That's ten primarchs. We need at least four more. (assuming two were stricken from record here too)

Suggestion: Gilda was a pony and fell to chaos, mutating her into a creature a lot like - but not exactly like - a griffon. If i wasn't so lazy i'd write out the whole story so it sounded more awesome :smalltongue:

[Pokonic]

I like it. Let's do that. The CMC are now officially the founders of the Black Templar. WHich are now called the Cutie Mark Crusaders.

Now, I do like the idea, but I thought they where going to end up being the founders of the three-sided Adeptus Crusadus?:smallconfused:

Must...get...headcanon...in...line...



Suggestion: Gilda was a pony and fell to chaos, mutating her into a creature a lot like - but not exactly like - a griffon. If i wasn't so lazy i'd write out the whole story so it sounded more awesome

Of course, she could have been a normal griffon, but was "blessed" by one of the ruinous powers without her wanting it. Then, excluded from normal griffon "culture", she ends up being the companion to a future ponyarch: Rainbow Dash. Later, she become truly corrupted by her sponser god, and it becomes obvius to all that she has become warped in nature. She does not relise this, however, and is shocked and angry when dash, her lifelong freind, starts shooting at her. As such, she give into the dark gods and seeks to undo dashes decendents.


Also, now that people are coming back to this thread, can anyone give me comments on anything that I wrote for the two gods?

[HalfTangible]

Now, I do like the idea, but I thought they where going to end up being the founders of the three-sided Adeptus Crusadus?:smallconfused:

Must...get...headcanon...in...line...Huh... Did anyone suggest that? :smallconfused: I don't remember...





Of course, she could have been a normal griffon, but was "blessed" by one of the ruinous powers without her wanting it. Then, excluded from normal griffon "culture", she ends up being the companion to a future ponyarch: Rainbow Dash. Later, she become truly corrupted by her sponser god, and it becomes obvius to all that she has become warped in nature. She does not relise this, however, and is shocked and angry when dash, her lifelong freind, starts shooting at her. As such, she give into the dark gods and seeks to undo dashes decendents.Ok, we can do that.


Also, now that people are coming back to this thread, can anyone give me comments on anything that I wrote for the two gods?

The Drakoneques' lore is a nice compromise.

[Pokonic]

Huh... Did anyone suggest that? I don't remember...


... I suggested it, and it went over well...


The Drakoneques' lore is a nice compromise.

Thank you. Seeing as we could not get a good final vote on what he would be, I decided to combine them all.:smallbiggrin: Who said a powerful reality warper had to have a concrete past?

[Tychris1]

Well considering he warps reality, I doubt the past would be even slightly concrete in any way possible. I liked the magma elephant one though, spent the whole day thinking about the elephant carrying a large carrying box in it's back filled with Khorne Berzerkers shooting there guns wildly and revving their chain axes.

Can't wait to see Slaanesh.

Oh, and here's a thought for Nurgle. Have the youngling bears be suicide bombers, exploding in a cloud of flies, guts, acid, and pestilence. The disease in question it spreads is the exploding hives, guess what it does :smallamused:

[Pokonic]

Well considering he warps reality, I doubt the past would be even slightly concrete in any way possible. I liked the magma elephant one though, spent the whole day thinking about the elephant carrying a large carrying box in it's back filled with Khorne Berzerkers shooting there guns wildly and revving their chain axes.

Thank you. I was actualy inspired by the partial fact that it seems that African animals in this tend to end up as magical creatures in this ( that, and my fanon is that the africa equivualent is basicly Feiry, hence everyone seeing Zecora being deep into the uncanny vally) and that Warhammer has a Chaos Mammoth modal that is,in essance, a giant moving weapons platform mounted by chaos warriors. I stoll the name and breath attack from a new Ogre Kingdoms beasty.

Not that a Gorehorn would ever let anyone ride it, but the same standerd applies.:smallbiggrin:


Can't wait to see Slaanesh.

Why yes, I had fun writing on hir minions. Fun fact: Whats pink and purple and red all over? A Kirin in a orphanage!



Oh, and here's a thought for Nurgle. Have the youngling bears be suicide bombers, exploding in a cloud of flies, guts, acid, and pestilence. The disease in question it spreads is the exploding hives, guess what it does

...Thats evil. I am actualy slightly ashamed to admit that bees did not enter my mind as a weapon until now.
My gods, do you think Mama Nurgal would have her cubs sacrafice themselves in such a way!


However, I now have the perfect Typheos stand-in brewing in my head.
Dont eat the "honey", please.:smallamused:

[Lix Lorn]

...Sollux?
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EAT THE MIND HONEY

[Pokonic]

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EAT THE MIND HONEY


Well, that, and the fact the "honey" is pus. Mixed in with other, even less savory things. Mind honey, on the other hand, sounds like something a bored slannishi cultist would make.

[Lix Lorn]

It appears you did not catch the (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004052) reference (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004053).

[Pokonic]

It appears you did not catch the reference.


... "slams head on desk"

Arrg, how did I miss that!? :smallmad: :smallredface:

[Pokonic]

Hey everone, it looks like I had the longest night ever, so whose up for some
Chaos!

Nurgal

General information:Daemons are both rotten and durable, with there foul master animating the forms shape. The Daemons themselves are at the same time more distant yet closer to there master, being both more emotionaly tied to the Waddling Lord yet having more freedom in there individual goals. One cultist could be trying to save there family from a plague by taking on there afflicions while another might be spreading it. Truly, the servents of the Decaying God are a mixed lot, full of the stray and the condemed alike.

The average image of a Nurgalish creature is one with ursine features with a moldering form, but this is not always true. For while the Green God indeed takes the form af a bloated bear, both insectile and strangly ophidian traits have been spotted amongst the Bear Gods faithfull. Matted fur and rotten teeth are commen ,and nearly any creature that can withstand disease can be found within its cults.

Daemons


Ursalings: Pudgy living avatars of decay, these pony-sized lumps of pus and fecal matter spawn from the morbid imbrace of a Ursa Putridus, and exist only to smother their foes in their shuddering bulk. Because they are generaly livng lumps of rotting tissue, it can still kill apony even long after a fight due to the infections it can cause. Therefor, most prefer to kill them from a distance.

Rotwings: Looking like a gigantic, moldering bees, they swarm over all who come near airspace controled by a cult. Their infamous sting implants eggs into the skin, and they like to spread the fun by exploding after being injured. Have fun when babies start eating your eyeballs from the inside out. Pray to the right dead god next time, pony.

Plague Beasts: Creatures with the upper body of some poor horned mammal and the lower body of a slug, these suprisingly quick horrors have a puppy-like mentality that some find repulsive but others find adorable. They have a tendancy to rush up to a apponent to give them a big ol' hug, all the while spreading there filth around.

Ursa Putridus: Great, rotting bears. Avatars of filth. The air itself stagnates in the wake of its passing. Its children will walk the earth. Its moldering star-studded hide is matted with a billion years of decay. Rips and tears in it is unnoticed by it, feeling no pain. Its childeren crawl on it, finding pus and rot to suckle on to grow. Normal guns are useless, rockets make it tickle. A group of ponies fireing green flames spouting pointless litanies to a long-crippled alicorn makes her chuckle with mirth. For it has one thing, deep inside its brain, snug inside its very mind is a phrase that is ingrained into its verey being.

Nurgal Loves You.

Legendary beasts

Carriue: Once a great Griffon leader in a stable-world whose name is now lost to time, Carriue was once a normal guardgriffon, known for his long tours and his resilance on the field. After being injured to the point of loosing most of his skin, his front left claw, and his left eye in a paranid slaughterfest, he was almost certain to die. That is, until he was sponsered by a wealthly, unknown doner to get the most up-to-date artifical limbs on the market, along with several fresh organs ripped from "doners". Dispite his new "condition", he was not alowed, by contract by his "sponser" to go out in the field. As such, he devoted himself to something that most would not think of: politics. As a whole, he attempted to find places to create better rookeries for his kind, along with other basic nessesities for griffons.

It was at the rip old age of 109, at nearly twice the natural age of a griffons lifespan, before he was shot with a explosive dimond doggish round into the back.

It was at this moment that he came to a conclusion that would shake the foundation of his planet: There was no love here. There was no hope. If one created a home, another will smash it. As such, one could only guess at the assassens look in his eyes as the griffon suddanly and wholy gave himself to the one creature with any care left for anyone who wishes his help: The lord of decay himself.

After he and his Vultures ( as his followers call themselves) take over the planet, they begin to join up with other followers of Nurgal to support them. They still continue to get recrutes, even today.

At the moment, Carriue resembles a putrifing heap of avian flesh while still being very much a griffon in form, with his bloated bulk making his rusted metal implants stand out even more. His has rubbed off in places his metal parts scrap against, and the red light implanted in his eyesocket still is bright and unholy in its gleam. Without his masters imbrace, his artifical parts would have killed him long ago from simply causing his very flesh to sag and his skin to rip from the wieght, but now he can take the pain of metal plates wishing to simply fall out of him without noticing it at all. His metalic spine is exposed, and the fact that his entire skeletan is lined with metal reinforcment is now noticable by observers. The fact that he will soon become a Daemon Prince is not surprising at all to those that know of his existance.


The Glomergast: A flabby, dragonish thing with a rotting body and a foul breath, this abomiation is known for having a body filled with plagues that would make even Nurgels worshipers pause a its potency. Worse, this creature spreads it with its very breath, with every rasping gasp for air filling the atmosphere with it. Even worse, it has the strange ability to fly thru space itself, alowing to fly from planet to planet! Neverless, the creature itself moves randomly to different parts of the galaxy, seemingly unaware of the events around it.

Slannesh will be up later. As in, between 1-20 days.

[HalfTangible]

I just realized how much i want AT-ATs to participate somehow... =( They're just... so awesome for some reason...

I'll take a stab at writing Pinkie Pie's origin story.

[Pokonic]

I'll take a stab at writing Pinkie Pie's origin story.


Find a use for Gummy, please. Oh, and there must be at least three Cupecakes referances. We have a quota to keep up.




Also, on Spike: Is he also the insperation for the Stallions of Battle AND Twilights pet/companion/ect? Just clearing things up.
Also, should he be any bigger than he is in canon? Because I cannot see anyone taking orders from something the size of there gun, no matter how usefull its thumbs and breath are.

[HalfTangible]

Also, on Spike: Is he also the insperation for the Stallions of Battle AND Twilights pet/companion/ect? Just clearing things up.
Also, should he be any bigger than he is in canon? Because I cannot see anyone taking orders from something the size of there gun, no matter how usefull its thumbs and breath are.

Brothers of Combat. But yes.

As for the latter: Spike's origin story implies that he serves much the same capacity he does in the show: a good friend and companion to Twilight, but almost never away from her side. And if you didn't know who he was, he wouldn't NEED to be much bigger than your gun, because a primarch is standing right next to him, DARING you to say 'I ain't takin' no orders from a tiny purple lizard'

[Pokonic]

Well, another idea for spike involves his special fire: what if Spikes breath, bottled or otherwise, sends one into the sun/ Celestias aura/the warp/ ect? It would make the threat of " Celestia Protects" even more potent when you have a guy throwing vials of the stuff around!




But yeah, my head image of Spike in this is acting like a scribe to twilight, observing every in order to keep and review later. My questioning of why they would honer Spike is because I could not see such a devoted servent running a goverment office! But, much like there are cults for saints, I suppose that Spike could be the object of a whole lot of devotion.


Also, I still stand that the CMC are a goverment branch, with no connection with the space mareines.
Also, did Nurgels writeup look good? Any comments?

[Forum Explorer]

Well, another idea for spike involves his special fire: what if Spikes breath, bottled or otherwise, sends one into the sun/ Celestias aura/the warp/ ect? It would make the threat of " Celestia Protects" even more potent when you have a guy throwing vials of the stuff around!




But yeah, my head image of Spike in this is acting like a scribe to twilight, observing every in order to keep and review later. My questioning of why they would honer Spike is because I could not see such a devoted servent running a goverment office! But, much like there are cults for saints, I suppose that Spike could be the object of a whole lot of devotion.


Also, I still stand that the CMC are a goverment branch, with no connection with the space mareines.
Also, did Nurgels writeup look good? Any comments?

I like the Nurgle writeup. Have no real opinion on their special guys though.

I stand by the CMC starting the Black Templers.

For Spike he could instead be the pony version of an Astropath. Well not necessarily Spike in particular but just young dragons in general.

[HalfTangible]

I like the Nurgle writeup. Have no real opinion on their special guys though.

I stand by the CMC starting the Black Templers.

For Spike he could instead be the pony version of an Astropath. Well not necessarily Spike in particular but just young dragons in general.

We HAVE astropaths. Unicorns already have access to magic of all kinds, often limited by their special talents.

EDIT: And Spike is a very special case (read his backstory)

[HalfTangible]

-=Pinkie Pie=-
(Preheresy)
"...You expect me to surrender?"
"No, invader, i expect you to scream."
-Pinkamena conversing with Spike

Like all of the Primarchs, the pony who would later become known as Pinkie Pie was stolen by the warp gods while still in her stasis pod. As far as the Imperium can tell, most of the primarchs re-emerged from the warp within the same Equestrian year, but for some reason Pinkie Pie stayed in the warp for over a decade longer than any of the primarchs before her.

When her stasis pod finally did emerge from the warp, she crashed into the middle of a quarry, landing among a group of impoverished slaves. The slaves believed the child to be an omen from the gods, and hid her from their masters. She was named Pinkamena Diane Pie by her adoptive parents.

Pinkamena grew and matured at an almost alarmingly rapid rate (though later it would be found she matured slowly for a primarch) rising to adulthood even before earning her cutie mark. The grim, stoic Pinkamena instigated and led a massive world-wide rebellion to overthrow the slaveowners on that world. She established her own personal monarchy, with herself at the head.

During the rebellion, most of the stallions and mares fighting noticed that Pinkamena seemed capable of things previously attributed to be impossible for earth ponies: self-inflation, teleporting, invisibility, and generally doing ludicrous things with relative ease.

Today it is thought that Pinkamena's mindset was a plan by Tzeentch to turn her to chaos before Celestia even had a chance to contact the Primarch. If that is so, it very nearly succeeded: the Pinkamena of this time period was said to be cruel, unrelenting, and insane. Rumors that she enslaved stallions for her pleasure and made her enemies into her snacks never fully abated from the world.

However, Farseer Rotrach of the Eldeer learned of a possible future outcome of Pinkamena's ascent to the stars: should she be have cutie mark marking her as a servant of chaos when she left the world, she would destroy a craftworld before the Eldeer could bring her down, a threat that the Eldeer race could not afford to ignore.

Pinkamena's absurd luck, however, had other plans. At the exact same time that the Eldeer set out for her world, the Space Dragon legion's 4th expedition arrived on Pinkamena's world.

A massive space battle between the Legion and the Eldeer ensued, and Twilight's flagship, the Magic of Friendship, was shot out of the sky and sent crashing into the world. Pinkamena had been staring at the flashing dots in the sky grimly, knowing somehow that the battle above was of extreme importance, despite the fact that Eldeer ground forces had also assaulted her palace.

When the ship crashed just outside her palace, she sent her troops to scour the ship. Her soldiers returned with no pony survivors but did find one baby dragon, who was brought into Pinkamena's palace for 'interrogation'. This would have been the end of Pinkamena's story, as Twilight and Celestia would never forgive Spike's torture and murder - he was too close to Twilight's heart.

At that exact moment, however, one of the Eldeer's largest vessels, the Shadow of Khaine, was destroyed, and the energy released by the souls in it's wraithbone sent a massive arching rainbow shooting across the skies of the world.

Pinkamena stared at the explosion for a long while, then grinned wide as her hair suddenly poofed. She had never felt such joy in her entire existence, and she never wanted it to go away. At that exact moment, her cutie mark appeared as three party balloons, sealing her fate to be happy forever.

Twilght Sparkle was eventually found in the wreckage, and as she came out, she saw one of her sister primarchs, grinning like a maniac, over her her closest friend and confidant, tied and being carried away.

The following conversation ensued:

"Hello, sister. Return my friend to me."
"Call me Pinkie Pie, silly. We have some meanie-pants Eldeer to love and tolerate the heck out of."

Pinkie Pie's discovery came as a bit of a shock to Celestia, who had been travelling with the Rainbow Scar's seventeenth expedition at the time. Pinkie Pie's abilities came as an even greater shock, as they seemed to have magnified with the sudden lightening of her mood. She could accomplish on a whim what would take some hours, days, even weeks.

When she was reunited with Celestia, she threw a massive party on her home world for her despite the Princess' protests, and when she was given her legion, she named them The Pink Ones almost immediately, and changed their color scheme to pink, with differing color balloons to mark companies. (Red company, blue company, etc)

Upon reuniting with their Primarch, Pinkie Pie's legion gained some measure of her seemingly reality-breaking power, though none were able to access more than one or two of her seemingly endless abilities for insanity.

So watcha think?

[Lix Lorn]

I thought it was awesome.

[Pokonic]

There is nothing about it I could say that would not be stated already. Awsome. Now, to Fluttershy!

[HalfTangible]

There is nothing about it I could say that would not be stated already. Awsome. Now, to Fluttershy!

*sigh* Yessir...

=P

[Grif]

I would alter her speech to be more Pinkie-like, rather than the Space Marines style of addressing each other as brother or somesuch. You could have it as Pinkie's Legion being one of the few space marines to have no such formalities in their ranks.

"Hello, sister. Return my friend to me."
"Hi! Call me Pinkie Pie. I think those meanie weanie Eldeers needs some lessons in friendship!"

:smalltongue:

It is MLP after all. It need not be so serious.

[HalfTangible]

I would alter her speech to be more Pinkie-like, rather than the Space Marines style of addressing each other as brother or somesuch. You could have it as Pinkie's Legion being one of the few space marines to have no such formalities in their ranks.

"Hello, sister. Return my friend to me."
"Hi! Call me Pinkie Pie. I think those meanie weanie Eldeers needs some lessons in friendship!"

:smalltongue:

It is MLP after all. It need not be so serious.

She had just transformed from Pinkamena, I thought it was too soon for her to speak so drastically different. Especially since that first quote up there is supposed to have occured maybe two minutes before the rainbow explosion.

In addition, the Legions NEEDED company markings like that - they were too large to act without them.

They could not have companies post-heresy, when the Pink Ones are a chapter, but before? Too large.

[Pokonic]

*sigh* Yessir...

Hey, I am the one who must come up with horrible things to pepper the Slannish writeup with! You have it easy, considering that somepony who lands on Everfree Prime and lives should be interesting to write about anyway!

[Grif]

She had just transformed from Pinkamena, I thought it was too soon for her to speak so drastically different. Especially since that first quote up there is supposed to have occured maybe two minutes before the rainbow explosion.

Nonsense. Pinkie Pie does not operate by our rules. :smallbiggrin: (Also, it would serve as a hint as to her reality breaking powers.)

[HalfTangible]

Nonsense. Pinkie Pie does not operate by our rules. :smallbiggrin: (Also, it would serve as a hint as to her reality breaking powers.)

The hint was that she could perform ludicrous acts as Pinkamena :smalltongue:

Though I guess it could hint at one of Tzeentch's spells breaking or something...


Hey, I am the one who must come up with horrible things to pepper the Slannish writeup with! You have it easy, considering that somepony who lands on Everfree Prime and lives should be interesting to write about anyway!

Writing wiki-style backstories is FUN, not EASY. And I really wanted this to be a collaborative effort...

[Lix Lorn]

Hey, I am the one who must come up with horrible things to pepper the Slannish writeup with! You have it easy, considering that somepony who lands on Everfree Prime and lives should be interesting to write about anyway!
If anyone's qualified to write about Slaanesh... it's Kneenibble. But I'm second!

[Grif]

Writing wiki-style backstories is FUN, not EASY. And I really wanted this to be a collaborative effort...

My Warhammer 40K lore is largely based on novels, and I have no access to codexes or such that should be used as references. Sorry. :smallfrown:

(I'd happy to write something on Imperial Guards I suppose, seeing as how most of my books end up being IG novels one way or another.)

[HalfTangible]

My Warhammer 40K lore is largely based on novels, and I have no access to codexes or such that should be used as references. Sorry. :smallfrown:

(I'd happy to write something on Imperial Guards I suppose, seeing as how most of my books end up being IG novels one way or another.)

The only codex i have is blood angels. And you have access to a machine that contains every piece of human knowledge known since it's inception, which you are currently using to read this sentence.

Seriously. The only reason I know about Night Haunter is because i googled him!

(And yeah, IG stuff! =D)

[Pokonic]

Writing wiki-style backstories is FUN, not EASY. And I really wanted this to be a collaborative effort...

Of course this is a collaborative effort! Here is, for instance, my plans on what the Everfree would look like.

Within the galaxy, there are many planets who's dangers become legendary. From Pisine's hippocampi forcably creating pony/hippocapi hybrids with there land-bound slaves to Camelshans unrelenting heat, to Neverlosts anti-warp aura and Nessus ambiant neighcromantic power. There is on deathworld, however, that stands out in every ponies mind as the one which mothers use to frighten there young.



Everfree.


The mere saying of the name is tabio in most circles, and merc's tend to ignore the speaker if they mention it. For the Everfree itself has a feeling of wrongness in it, and, even more disturbing, only ponies have this sence of wrongness within it. A eldeer sees a normal, if increadbly hostile, planet. A Hog finds it a wonderful place to train. Even Griffons, whos connection with ponykind is well known, only can see a miles-thick canopy and a even thicker underbrush. To a pony, however, it feels as if it assulting the very thing that makes it different from all others: its connection with the princess. This assumption, horrifically, is true. The planet itself attacks the very same bonds that create cuti marks and give others strange powers, making its very existance athema to all who go into its atmosphere.


The planet itself is known for its disturbingly familer megafauna, from the giant bears to the swampy hydra nests. Some imperal scholars have stated that it was ponykinds first encounters with these creatures that caused there images to go into there minds, effecting the warp as to make there creatures spawned from that place to resemble the most primal terrors that a sane pony could think of. Most however, reject this theory, saying that the gods of the warp have always had the same basic forms even before the birth of pony space-flight. They do agree, however, that the planet has something odd going on: it has survived multible paranid raids, and, juging from the forms taken by them, they have taken some amount of dna from the planets creatures. Neverless, the idea that a planet could fight off the paranids is shocking.

There are many reasons why the planet has not been blown up yet: First and formost, there are the ruines. Great primal statues and carvings reminicant of Zebraish work can be found on nearly every corner of the planet, and many styles of art unseen elsewear can be found. It has been suggested that, given the state of the carvings and the dating, that mortal Zebras lived here after the creation of the Zecrontyr, and that they florished long after the supposed mass-death of there kind. Surprisingly, another race supports this claim.

The Quagga, a race known for its trustful dealings and there longativity, claim that they still continue to have semiregular contact with a population of the striped folk, and trade varying amounts of artifical food and fual in exchange for the varying talismans and potions that the race was faimed for. If the quagga are being truthful, this could be huge.The idea that there a living Zebras could undermine many impiral truths, and there strange magics that have no connection to the warp, such as talismans and totams, could be used to great effects in the war against chaos.

Also, the varying creatures on the planet are valued everywhere for there willingness to kill and there shear size. A living specimen of a Quarry Eel, for example, is worth more than most regiments of the guard spends on ammo in a year,a living ursa minor specimen, for example, could buy a slum dweller a noble seat.

However, there are hundreds of species of plants on the planet that have wonderful healing properties. Ranging from Hydrashard, which can be boiled to create a concoction that can repair anything from teeth to missing hooves, to mindmoss, a awareness-expanding herb that is favered by the nobility ( cue Blueblood jokes.), all of these plants cannot leave the planet without dieing. The shear value of them makes it foolish to even think about distroying the planet, dispite what commen sence would dictate.


If anyone's qualified to write about Slaanesh... it's Kneenibble. But I'm second!

I demand pointers!:smalltongue:

[Tychris1]

Well if you want me to I could always write up the story for Night Haunter, all I need to know is what Pony she is so I have a basis to intertwine the stories. Same for Fulgrim, who I was at first betting on being Rarity but now I'm not sure who Fulgrim will be.

[HalfTangible]

Well if you want me to I could always write up the story for Night Haunter, all I need to know is what Pony she is so I have a basis to intertwine the stories. Same for Fulgrim, who I was at first betting on being Rarity but now I'm not sure who Fulgrim will be.

I thought we weren't doing entirely direct converts due to the fact we have fewer primarchs? And a great deal of differences already?

Also: Could someone write up something on the other factions? Say, Neighcrons?

[Tychris1]

I know, I was betting on Rarity before we settled that. Which is why i'm confused on how to make the two primarchs.

[Pokonic]

Also: Could someone write up something on the other factions? Say, Neighcrons?

I could do them, along with Dark Eldeer and the many backround races I have going along in my head. Also, do you like the Everfree? I might be doing the other planets in that writeup for backrounds sake.


I thought we weren't doing entirely direct converts due to the fact we have fewer primarchs? And a great deal of differences already?
I was under this impression as well. Why copy a story when we already have so much to work with?


Also, a thought struck me: has anyone thought of, after most of this is written up and cleaned up grammer wise ( mostly my stuff), that we could get this on a chan of sort? They seem to be the sort who would take some joy from this sort of thing.:smallbiggrin:

[Pokonic]

Slaanesh

General information:Daemons tend to resemble hooved animals, but are usualy insectile in truth. Average member of a cult tends to be rather wealthy, and a distressingly large amount of noblity have sampled the gods temptations. While most simply favor clean fur and outlandish garb, others are fine with keeping no outside indicaters of worship. Bright hues, ranging fom purples to pinks, are favored colors, along with outfits made not to conceal but to reveal there body.

On unicorns, the Prince of Pleasures favorite prey, small hooks on the horns are a common blessing, along with increased stature and softer fur. However, a worshiper of Slaanesh, after long days of preforming there duties, will often have a layer of chiten under the skin, and insect wings are a blessing to those without them. As a whole, she is one of the few gods who target the decadent and bored, and it is not wise to get its attention.

Daemons


Kirin: Foul creatures that, at a glance, resemble eldeeresque, statly unicorns, with tall, shaply legs and a slender neck, let alown the slender pink horn rising from its forhead. However, dispite this beauty, they have a single flaw, each uniqe to the individual. Ranging from as slight as a slightly husky voice to as extreme as a curled horn, all are just one step away from classical, well-bred perfection. Neverless, a Kirin is a true sadistic killing mechine, moving far faster than what any creature has the right to be, stabing with its sharp horn that leaks ichor when nessisary to trampling those underhoof. As a whole, these tempters are not to be slighted. Even as they whisper delights into your ears, they are preparing to bisect you to slurp out your intestines like a thick noodle.
There is, however, on weakness: they are as fragile as they look.

Simeurals: Foul beasts, these amorphus abominations are the assassons of the god of delights. With no true form and a gift for mimicry, these squamous lumps of pesudoflesh have a from usualy given to the most deformed of the Lord of Hopes worshipers, with a ill-defined volume and a debauched outlook on mortals. They, when one must give these detestable creatures a discription, give a vast, ever changing slurry of insectile shapes and limbs that are more than happy to explore and invade any orifice it has access to. This curiosity is well used in the cults that they are summoned into. However, a cult must keep a eye on every one they summon, for they will turn on them due to simple bordrom.


Manticores: A detestable mixing of the form of a noble lion and a scorpion, these fabulous beings are some of the most debased and horrible creatures to stalk the cosmos, and this includes Blueblood ("bada CHING"). Dispite is serene vistage and clean coat, these obscine creatures will rend all that dare to approch it. Its mouth hosts many rows of black, serrated teeth, and its tail oozes a ichor that can cause both extreme pleasure and pain, both stopping any thought of continuing any attack. It is one of the few greater deamons that can be called on with miminal sacrafices, for it usualy takes its payment in the sensations it can cause.

Legendary beasts

The Black Goat In The Woods With A Thousand Young:

Said to be one of the formost bringers of slaanishi delight sence the Eldeer, this twisted creature was once a noble and just Goatish consul in times of peace. Even as his domaine slowly became unruly and decadent, he just threw himself into his "work" of "furthering his bloodline". After the mobs outside his fortress became to much to handle, he gathered all of his scions (quite a feat, considering his success in his goal) and commanded those who became attuned in the ways of magic to create a summoning circle.

As the story goes, rather than the minor daemon that was expected, the summoning caused none other than She Who Knaws herself, and a company of his favored Kirins. After all the sons and daughters of the great king layed eyes on the form of the lord of sensualty hirself and became intangled within its power, the god personaly gave orders to spread his bloodline across the cosmos, and, after forcably rising him to a level beyond what is normaly seen with daemon princes, left. The riot was slaughtered by the Kirin and there new commander in a hour.

After thousands of years of neglect, all that remains of the kingdom are cyclopean vaults and vast caverns, now covered by a massive forest. Now, after decades of its last romp, this cosmic antediluvian creature is ready for another crusade. Its currant form is unkown, but that is soon to change.

Blueblood: A rather well-disliked noble, Bluebood is well known for his general rudeness, and, among the mare's of other houses, vitality and beauty. Is belived to be a rude but otherwise fine person, and his popularity among the female population is staggering.

The rumers of a Slaanishi lord amongst the highest houses of the noblity is true. Blueblood the 1023erd is in fact the 1st, for the first amongst the line created a deal with the god of lust in that he will swap minds with his decendents. His line, known as the Bloods, have produced many individuals with exeptinal talents, ranging from Blackblood, the legendary marksman, to Pureblood, a currant member of the Brothers of Combat whose willingness to die for his allies is chillingly admired by his friends. This strange skill is chalked up as the result of inbreeding, for most nobles already have a size advantage on normal poines, but it is in fact the will of chaos that his childeren to have such chaotic and focused lives.

Neverless, it was he who installed the Rule of Succesion: After the currant ruler of the house is dead, all male members of the house must kill each other, and only the last remaining male can claim the name "Blueblood." This helps in two ways: first, it keeps the house from infighting until a certiant time, and it makes sure only the most worthy can be his (unwilling) host.

In his currant incarnation, formaly known as Starblood, would actualy resemble a twisted alicorn, with grossamer wings and a long, black horn. However, he playes the foolish, foppish noble, a game he has much experance with, and caters to the whimes of no less then twenty-three childeren. He currantly has his eye on young Newblood, a young tech-preist with a bent for normalcy, yet with a touch of insanity that others find slightly unerving. The runtish, timid buck has several ponies he counts as friends, true or not, and none are as formost in his mind as a small, timid mare known to him as Binary.

As a whole, Blueblood is preparing for somthing big,the time where chaos will truly threaten the world again. Until then, he plans on using every bit of his time he can scrape out of his currant body.

[HalfTangible]

*reads blueblood*

...oooooooooooh i see what you did thar =D

[HalfTangible]

I know, I was betting on Rarity before we settled that. Which is why i'm confused on how to make the two primarchs.

You don't HAVE to - that's part of the point. Besides, we already decided the Mane Six would be loyalist primarchs.

Speaking of which, we never fully decided who the traitors will be...

Let's see, we had Luna, obviously... Trixie, Lyra, Bon-Bon... plus the mane six, that's ten primarchs total, we agreed on sixteen, we need at least two more, depending on how lost primarchs will end up working.

[Pokonic]

Derpy?:smallconfused:

Igotnuthin...






...oooooooooooh i see what you did thar =D

He is a sweet, lovable pony. Just with more than a little power fetish.
Just throw in a mention of him, please? You dont wish to make him... sad, do you?:smallfrown:

[HalfTangible]

Derpy?:smallconfused:

Igotnuthin...







He is a sweet, lovable pony. Just with more than a little power fetish.
Just throw in a mention of him, please? You dont wish to make him... sad, do you?:smallfrown:I was talking about Binary and the connection to the Brothers of Combat, actually :smalltongue:

[Pokonic]

I was actualy talking about Newblood.:smalltongue:
But yeah, Blueblood is a incestus slurry (Lixi made me do it)of that one person that becomes who kills him and the FE:PH take on him. In all, very fun to write. Feel free to putting in as many -blood ponies as you feel free to the game.:smallbiggrin:


Also, everyone needs someone who they think has a crush on them, for dramas sake!

[Tychris1]

Huh.... -blood pony for each chapter/warband? :smalltongue:

Nightblood
Childblood
Sonblood
Worldblood
Bearblood
Ironblood
Deathblood
Alphablood
Blackblood

Man, family reunions must be both awkward and violent.

[Pokonic]

:
Man, family reunions must be both awkward and violent.

In this case, there is always fights and painful outbursts, and the only one who wins is the one who started it.:smallbiggrin:

Also, sonblood is a very uncreative name. It seems that he picks the most terrible names to install some sence of hatred for there siblings, with cool names like "Godblood" or "Trueblood". How else do you think a astronamer pony became the next vessel for his most powerful relative?And remember, each must have some sort of extreme talent that few could pull off, like creating a computer code from scrach or being veteren suicide squad members. Be creative.:smalltongue:


Also, no one seems to care that I made a Discord-level Slaanishi creature to stalk the cosmos. Everyone remembers the jerk, apperently.
Its all part of the plan, you see.

[Lix Lorn]

I'm upset that there isn't a mighty slaaneshi beast named Lix. I mean seriously.

[HalfTangible]

I'm upset that there isn't a mighty slaaneshi beast named Lix. I mean seriously.

Trixie was the Alpha Legion primarch, and had a twin named Lixie. She fell to Slaanesh and now seduces random ponies across the stars in exchange for their souls... nah, scratch that idea, it's stupid.

If ya really want a beast named Lix, type one up! :smalltongue:

[Tychris1]

-Bloods have to have an amazing thing about them? Easy.

Nightblood- Assassination (Killed 14 governers during 1 day via infiltratig their bases, essentially shutting down their government and sending the entire planet into chaos and panic. All while wearing 1,000 pound power armor and wielding a regular knife)
Childblood- Ballad Summoning (Plays his Noiseblaster so well that he can summon Daemons from the warp. They dissapear when he stops playing though the more powerful the Daemon the harder/ more intricate Childblood has to play)
Sonblood- Psyker Possession ( Much like Blueblood's pact the only difference is Sonblood's possession drains Son so the pony has to eventually let them go. Sonbloods longest possession is 9 months 13 days 4 hours and 20 minutes)
Worldblood- Bear hoof to hoof combat (Collided his hoof with a power hoof and broke the power hood. Crumpling the metal and penetrating through it to the point that he was breaking bones and pouring blood out. From the power hoof pony)

That's all I got so far, still working on the others. All in all very fun to write.

[Pokonic]

Apperently, the the original name for the Black Goat is Lin Liox.
Who knew?


Also, bluebloods children are male, so it would be quite odd to see them in a space mareine chapter.:smalltongue:

[Tychris1]

Seriously? Out of the uncounted amount of children he has had, all of them were guys. He must be good at flipping heads on a coin.


Even so, they could just take on the qualities of the Legions/ be a non-space marine part of the legion (Traitor Guard, Cultists, Inquisitors, etc etc)

[HalfTangible]

Seriously? Out of the uncounted amount of children he has had, all of them were guys. He must be good at flipping heads on a coin.

Since his personality is transferring each time, it makes sense that only the guys would be the baddies. =/

[Pokonic]

Seriously? Out of the uncounted amount of children he has had, all of them were guys. He must be good at flipping heads on a coin.

Nah, blame it on freaky genetics. There was one house in Necrmunda that was all females. The idea that the main line of a house has such a weird genetics is not that farfeched, particualy one so steeped in warp energy. Besides, the other branches of the house has plenty of females, its just that they tend to stay in the stable, rather than experiance this female-dominated culture for themselves.
Note: chaotic destinys are not always evil. Does no one remember Iceblood, Hero of the Black Crusade?



Since his personality is transferring each time, it makes sense that only the guys would be the baddies. =/

This, realy. That, and it helps annoy the other houses more if there is one house that is strictly patriarchal. Half the point of his existance is to sow problems and strife in the upper parts of the goverment, from his supernatuaraly skilled family to his general rudeness to officals.

Heck, the idea that all nobles are incompitent, easly fooled, and generaly ignorent of the problems in the world are steriotypes he probably cultivated over the years.

[HalfTangible]

Idea for the formation of the Blood Angels*:

Preheresy: During the great crusade, a crippling flaw was found in Fluttershy's geneseed, which caused the afflicted mareine to be so horribly stricken with bloodlust that she would literally begin to drink it from her fallen enemies. Fluttershy had lived with this urge her whole life and had long ago learned to master it, but it began to create a noticeable divide in her legion between the blood drinkers and the others. Since they grew up without it, it was impossible for them to fight it off entirely, only to resist.

Heresy: Fluttershy is killed by Luna's hoof when she refuses to fight her sister.

Postheresy: Before she began to consider how to divide the Dark Angels into proper chapters, Twilight realized that not only had the blood-drinking angels grown more numerous, but that the divide between the two types of mareines had grown even worse out of the heresy. She immediately split the legion into two between these two types of mareines before they could come to blows, creating the Blood Angels chapter in the process.

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*Complete, direct transfer is unnecessary but i think if we include popular elements from the regular 40K this will look more inviting.

[Pokonic]

How about, in lew of blood drinking, it is a constant need to feel wanted?

A space mareine with a constent disire to feel needed in what they do, such as clean or heal, and if they are denied they have a chance to go utterly freaken nuts? Thats what I was going with Fluttershys backstory. Naturaly, the term (Cuti Mark Failer Syndrome, or CMFS) exists in all ponies, let alown mareines, but Fluttershys decendents has a very bad case of it due too her being thrown in the Everfree, curtasy of the Blood God himself. A entire existance in a enviroment that is athema to your very existance does weird things to a pony.



What they expected was a feral killer. What they got was something cute and lovable with a childhood filled with hardship and nightmarish struggle.

[Grif]

Question! How many of the Primarchs are still alive at the time of M41?

(Ideally, I would want most to be alive to be honest. Sort of like Brighthammer.)

[Pokonic]

I would like the Main Cast to alive in some form, even if its like Fluttertree or something else like that. If any of the Ponyarches die, I would like for it to have a darn good reason why. Having Fluttershy being one-shotted by Luna is not what I am looking for. Having Fluttershy pull a you shall not pass on luna so everyone else could excape and alert the Royal guards, however, is what I am looking for.

[HalfTangible]

Question! How many of the Primarchs are still alive at the time of M41?

(Ideally, I would want most to be alive to be honest. Sort of like Brighthammer.)

As far as the Imperium of man knows, no loyalist primarchs are alive. They're either dead, lost to the warp or Daemon princes.

I can deal with some of the primarchs surviving, tbh, though it would severly undermine the darkness of the setting, and blunt the lethality of the Luna Heresy. (if you recall, in warhammer, the heresy was the main reason the imperium was so screwed)

[Tychris1]

Well that would fully depend on whether or not we go with what really happens in the real Warhammer Canon. If we go with the real canon then Fluttershy dies by being 1 shotted by Luna after they argue, while all Fluttershy manages to do is dent Lunas armor. Sure there is rumor and thoughts on whether or not this chink was used by Celestia to kill Luna but it's a tossup.

Also, if we go by real canon then all the primarchs should be dead, but I can see how this may be silly when it comes to certain Primarchs; Robert Guiliman failing to heal after so long, Leman Russ flat out deciding to go on a walk into the warp and hunt down a bunch of traitors, and Konrad Curze just lying there and letting himself die because he gets uber depression (Probably from all the uber steroids) etc etc.

But onto the topic of Fluttershy, I vote that we have her stick to canon up until the whole "Luna pwns u lololol" part, instead we have her fight off the stream of Daemons summoned on the battle barge that funnel to Luna's chamber to defend the traitor, and have Fluttershy stand by her soldiers as they funnel all the daemons down a corridor where their numbers are useless (300 style). Of course they eventually trample over her, but she buys time for Celestia to wipe the floor with Luna and then teleport out. Pretty much exactly what you said Pokonic only not against Luna herself because if Luna can nearly kill Celestia then Fluttershy won't stand a chance against her.

[Pokonic]

Also, if we go by real canon then all the primarchs should be dead, but I can see how this may be silly when it comes to certain Primarchs; Robert Guiliman failing to heal after so long, Leman Russ flat out deciding to go on a walk into the warp and hunt down a bunch of traitors, and Konrad Curze just lying there and letting himself die because he gets uber depression (Probably from all the uber steroids) etc etc.

I could actualy see Dash just straight up Rainbooming into the Warp.
Because that would be awsome.


I can deal with some of the primarchs surviving, tbh, though it would severly undermine the darkness of the setting, and blunt the lethality of the Luna Heresy. (if you recall, in warhammer, the heresy was the main reason the imperium was so screwed)

Indeed, but the currant statues quo is different.
The Paranids seem to be a bit more... direct than the originals. Zecrons preferably would have a bit more individual personality than the ones in the currant editions, and are more consentrated in where they are. Hogz are most likely not as intreched as Orks are, but there are plenty more species with the same modus operendi in the galaxy, such as Wolfs and the occasinal Fox, and creatures like Buffalo and Goats have more influence than the Kroot and Demiurge have, respectivly. Races that normaly would be left in the fluff are genuine powers, such as the Antalope traiding fleets and Quagga mechanics. Dougs are breeding at faster rates than the ponies, and the Eldeer are still screwed, but have a better chance at hanging on.

Basicly, its not as Grimdark as 40k usualy is, but its best parts are not as idealistic as its counterpart. In a way, its not as pich-black, but more like a uniform deep grey.

[Grif]

I really would like to steer Ponyhammer away from the grimdark settings of Warhammer to be honest. It's ponies, for one, and it should be about Hope and Friendship, even in the grim war-torn future.

[Pokonic]

We also have things like the Everfree, racism, and basicly unstoppable giant creatures in canon.

I would actualy like to not have everything have a direct corraltion to Warhammer and work with what we have. Things like the primarches and the Herasy are great, but we dont have to get everyone fitting a primarch or having the herasy go down as it did. We have a lot to work with on one side, so lets find the best ways to use it! Everyone is trying to come up with who are the primarches to use and why, while we could be filling out the backstorys and using ideas we already plan on acting on.
Here is my take on it: we have four missing primarches. They where each thrown into the deepest reaches of the warp by different gods, and they have not come out yet. There, a mystery to be filled in by our imaginations.:smallamused:

[Lix Lorn]

I would rather have it be a little optimistic too.

[Pokonic]

That too. Dont forget, in 40k, it can only get better from the currant situation.

[Tychris1]

?????

That's not really true. In 40K things are constantly devolving for everyone, chaos is only growing more powerful, Orks are reproducing like mad, Eldar are not, Tyranids are eating everything so that the overwhelming main force can come in easily, and the empereror is only going to rot and lie their on his throne. Things cannot get better in real 40K.

That's not to say that in Ponyhammer things can't get better slightly, I'm just saying that real 40K will not get better.

I vote for semi optimism. Don't want to much optimism to overbearing the pessimism.

[Pokonic]

?????

That's not really true. In 40K things are constantly devolving for everyone, chaos is only growing more powerful, Orks are reproducing like mad, Eldar are not, Tyranids are eating everything so that the overwhelming main force can come in easily, and the empereror is only going to rot and lie their on his throne. Things cannot get better in real 40K.

That's not to say that in Ponyhammer things can't get better slightly, I'm just saying that real 40K will not get better.

...Gah. I was stating it from the idea that adding anything to it could only make it better. Hence, ponies.

My vote is alongside yours. Note too bright as to ruin the point of doing this, and not as dark as it would be if we did a straight-up merging of the two. If that was the case, Luna would have never fallen and the Zebras would have never turned to Zecrons, the Dougs would have never created the Rule of Alphas, and the Eldeer would be a true force of good.

[byaku rai]

I'd be alright with writing up an origin story for a Primarch... if that's alright, I mean...

I do think we need to put to a vote which primarchs are still alive and active in Equestria, if any. That includes Celestia. As for stuff like Fluttertree, that would be alright with me, as long as there's the suggestion for most of the "dead" primarchs that they could eventually come back. After all, even in WH canon, there's the suggestion that there will eventually come a Ragnorok where all the forces of Chaos and all the forces of the Imperium have a stand up fight, all the primarchs come back from wherever they were, and all the sacred dead of the Imperium rally to the reborn Emperor's side.

(... heh... Ragnorok translates as "Twilight of the Gods"... Totally didn't intend that. It'd be an awesome name for a fanfic tho)

I'm against WH-esque pointless deaths, same as Pokonic. "Fluttershy was struck down by Luna, managing only to dent her armor" is just not as satisfying to me as "Fluttershy fought long and hard against her friend and mentor, crying the whole time at the horrifying contrast between the beautiful and elegant pony of her memory and the disgusting abomination she had become. Finally, unable to match her sister's skill, she fled from the room and from the ship, bleeding from numerous small wounds. Unknown her to at the time, the wounds from Luna's Chaos-tainted blade were cursed.

Ashamed at her defeat, Fluttershy fled back to her homeworld, wishing only for solitude and some reprieve from her pain and misery. Unable to work, to think, to fight through the physical and emotional pain of her battle with Luna, she sought out the one place in the world which could give her comfort; the clearing in the woods where her pod had fallen, so long ago. She laid down to sleep, overpowered by weariness, and as she rested the curse set to work. Pony flesh turned to wood, her beautiful pink mane to drifting pink leaves. When the curse's work was done, all that was left was an enormous willow tree, yellow of bark and pink of leaf, standing in the one place in the universe where Fluttershy could find peace."

... Got a bit carried away there... Whoops... :smallredface:

EDIT: Also, if we ever do a complete write-up of this, I volunteer to be the editor. Simply because somepony has to, and I'm better qualified than most when it comes to that. :smallredface:

[Forum Explorer]

That's pretty good for the Fluttertree. What did we call Twilight's legion again?

Also if you wish to edit go for it.

[HalfTangible]

That's pretty good for the Fluttertree. What did we call Twilight's legion again?

Also if you wish to edit go for it.

Space Dragons.

[Pokonic]

Fluttershy was struck down by Luna, managing only to dent her armor" is just not as satisfying to me as "Fluttershy fought long and hard against her friend and mentor, crying the whole time at the horrifying contrast between the beautiful and elegant pony of her memory and the disgusting abomination she had become. Finally, unable to match her sister's skill, she fled from the room and from the ship, bleeding from numerous small wounds. Unknown her to at the time, the wounds from Luna's Chaos-tainted blade were cursed.

Ashamed at her defeat, Fluttershy fled back to her homeworld, wishing only for solitude and some reprieve from her pain and misery. Unable to work, to think, to fight through the physical and emotional pain of her battle with Luna, she sought out the one place in the world which could give her comfort; the clearing in the woods where her pod had fallen, so long ago. She laid down to sleep, overpowered by weariness, and as she rested the curse set to work. Pony flesh turned to wood, her beautiful pink mane to drifting pink leaves. When the curse's work was done, all that was left was an enormous willow tree, yellow of bark and pink of leaf, standing in the one place in the universe where Fluttershy could find peace."

Nice. Keep it up like this, and I could be out of a nich here.:smallbiggrin:

Also, if yu want to write more, I was going to have her homeworld be Everfree, because of its wildness, and how amusing ( and alarming!) would it be for the sweetest and most kind Primarch to be from the most well-known death world in the history of the galaxy? Also, it would explane for her "ahem" anger issue being passed down to her decendents vie gene-seed, because everfree messes with a pony very, very badly, and mential instablity is common thru out the main cast, but Fluttershys legion rarely unleashes hers.

When it gets very, very bad, however, they start raging and cannot stop, bucking and snorting wildly all over the place. Realy, they close out any connection with the princess and flips out until killed or restrained. Effectivly, one could become nothing more than a wild beast. A very useful wild beast.

Also, I would imagen that the Fluttertree would be her final straw, not so much a curse as much as it is a life-support system. One last magical burst melding herself with a planet, perhapes, with the tree only being the central nod?

"Cue James Camerans Avatar: Pony style."

Also, here is a brand-spanken new planet, with a whole lot of insperation from the varying F:EQ fics, so a big thanks to both Somber and Kkat.

Neverlost: The worst planet in the galaxy.
The planet of Everlost is, as a whole, rather normal looking from space. Criss-crossing river systems of water cover around forty percent of the land mass, with a further twenty hilly and with some vegetation. However, in the wrong place, this normality would become your death.

The entire planet is a nexus for Neighcromatic energy. The sight of some ancient battle, the war apparently ended with a single spell that tainted the very core of the planet, with some places suffering the effects of the foul magic more than others. In the worst places, your organs simply fail if you go past certain boundaries. You very quickly become a pile of bones, if even that, and not even mold could grow in such places. Forget drinking water in such places: it would kill you if a drop of the stuff gets thru your system; gods forbid one submerging in the stuff.

In some places, the worst habitable to life yet in some form survivable, pieces of machinery litter the ground. Perhaps worse, in the case of magical equipment, such as radios and biomechanical augments, there batteries become corrupt with the ambient power to the point of killing the wearer. Gods help you if your organs are artificial. Even things like radio signals can be affected by this necrotic power, melting your insides one step at a time. If your tear ducts are bleeding, you’re a dead pony walking. Wings and hoofs can simply fall off, the tissue around it dead. If the rare mist comes up, your death will come from your flesh and bones alike melting like a molded plastic figure. To some, it is even worse that this all comes with no pain, only a deep numbness. Your nerves where dead the moment you heard the whining of the radios.

Which also makes the most horrific part of the planet even more horrific is one simple fact: the dead walk. Whether it be from drowning or from simple failer to survive the magic, the dead reanimate to participate in aimlessly walk the planet in groups. Nearly any space faring race could be found among the dead, shuffling in groups until they detect life, at which they attempt to attack. The worse are the ones that had heavy work done on them with mechanical parts, because they tend to be fully working, capable of holding them together more than the average member of a hord, and, in the case of magical auto-firing weapons, fully armed. Celesta helps you if you fight one with battle-armor fused to their bodies. The rare few who had there brains removed, placed in a special container lined with magical effect, and put back inside ( a common practace among those who fear chaos entering there minds) even, retain some form of unholy awarness of there plight.

As a whole, the planets area can be organized into four groups, as done by the ambient power.
A. Impenetrable
B. Actively Hostile to Life
C.Mild, ambient strong.
D.Mild ambient

Area B and C most likely have some form of old machinery, including those now considered sacred to ponykind. Travelers must be prepared with some form of healing after a tour in a area C. area, and should have some form of solid drug to survive the damage that a area B. will do to one’s body.
Area C.s often have sizable packs of dead roaming around, and D. areas are actually livable, as long as the varying water is gained off-planet, and ponies with cybernetics are prepared for heavy detox. Ships have to go thru several years of isolation to allow the energy to dissipate safely.

The actual level of a areas Neighcromatic power actively changes unexpectedly, and that is a major contributor to the dead walking on the planet. On day a full-fledged camp may be communicating with the local space stations, while the next the only reception they could pick up is a ear-bleeding whine, combined with the slobbering of the dead in the camp. The rivers themselves are a good indicator of the currant ambient power, with it getting progressively darker in color until it becomes a deep, rich black. The current make-up of the hordes range from the odd pony, dog, and griffon, but the most intriguing reports tell of dissected figures obscuring from the hills, glowing eyes watching visitors to the planet.



Despite these rumors of cloaked figures, there is one threat that all know of before landing on the planet, yet none wish to believe it is true.
Called "PyreSpite", this massive, blacked Draconic specimen must have been alive at the time of the spell, for that is the only explation on why it could be on the planet. Some expert’s say the dragon was sleeping during the spell, and adsorbed such a huge amount of it that is became a living nexus for it while sleeping. That’s right: the dragon itself continues to produce the energy from the spell! The beast has a sickining; heatless green fire that actually kills long before the fire strikes, for the energy is actively hostile to life. What the creature was or once was, few can say, besides that now it can demolish entire compounds by itself long before it ever could ever defend itself.

A notorious attempt to contact it ended with the thousand-strong vessel all dying when the actually flew over a field littered with old radio systems. The ship, recovered years later by robotic drones, showed that there was a layer of leathery moldering flesh strewn all around the ship, the results of the occupants being liquefied. The local goverment would dearly love to know of a way it could be defeated, or at least fettered.

Luckily, with the right protection, a full-body suit with the correct arrays of healing,protection, and anti-magic gliphs and sigils can protect one from even the worst of the substances found on the planet, and can be found on most well-funded expeditions onto the planet. Unfortunitly, they are not only rare, but the only ones produced for poines have been deemed heretical designs produced from the work of a rouge-tech preist, ( for using sacred plans and others and mixing them with a varied array of hertical gliphs used by many magic using races, tainting such a armor with magic not of pony make) and are such only found in the hands of other spieces, who can still make primitive versions of these anti-enviroment power armors,or scavanged from the debrie areas an the planet.

[Pokonic]

I am (likely) going to start on the Zecrons soon, and I just want too know if changing the basic backstory in order to fit into the theme of this is okay. Also, there will be star spirits and darkish magic, and some explantaion into there powers. Also, there more... active than necrons, and are less spread out and there is none of that "these are not military-grade necrons" crap that the old canon has.

[Pokonic]

Gasp! The forbbidon double post! How could such a thing happen!

Well, first off, its big. Zebras, Zebras everywhere!

History.

In the time before the creation of the warp, before most creatures today even existed, in a time where even the primitive ancestors of the deerish people where barly excaping from packs of wolves and huddled in herds, there where the Zebraish people. Scattered across the planet that they lived on in small groups, ever wachfull for other beasts such as primal beasts that would later be catorgorised as early crocadilions and large cats.

There only contact with other civilised races was the elected Xiarch, who was largly a figurehead for the otherwise clannish politics. The ruling Buda where shamens, and officaly had control over the Abadas, or clan leaders. The Karkadanns, or monster-slayers, were the heros and saviors of many clans, for they fought off the many creatures with there legendary speed and the use of both the spear and the head-spike to impale foes. The Abiku where the people, the ones who farmed in the few settlements and where the general majority of the population.

The Star-Gods where many in number, but all consumed and killed each other in rampent violance until only a few remaned. Spider was known for keeping the world safe from outside with his web. Eshu brought change where he went, and often created new hierarchies among the tribes, often with death.
Dream Serpent ruled over the domain of dreams and life, placing insperation into the minds of those who listened to his whispers. Asheah ruled over death and reform, and brought with him dark magic and a alternitive to Serpents afterlife in the form of soul jars, which made the creator immortal to injury but increasingly immoral.

It was not until that the Zebras had united under a single Xiarch, which, for the first time, had become a strong position, and had cleared out the preditory creatures, which had ether left the planet or had been taken with those who left, that they could truly advance. The former hated users of Asheah where usful in the wars, and as such where given free reign for teaching those with such tastes. The Buda , persicuted and generaly lossing power, left in great numbers from planets as far away form the now-interplanetary empire, along with there families and so forth.

Then the remaining star gods that had any power left, Spider, Eshu, and Asheah, where gathered and where asked for the gift of power. Spider wove them a substance that resmbled metal but was far stronger than any alloy ever made before hand. Eshu, in his grim humer, wiped the minds of those too weak willed, and commanded those in charge to lead them.Asheah, now the strongest, took the metal and moved every zebraish soul in existance into bodies made of the metal, and made there weapons and armor greater and made use of dark magic. Dream Serpent, alerted to what was happening, exerted all of his power to scatter the Zecrons into vaults made of the metal, and send them into a sleep. The Gods then battled the Serpent and caused it to be sealed on some far-off planet.

Now, with the Zecrons awaking, only time could tell if creation can hold them off.

Units
Ogban: A follower of Spider. These guys has several charms within his body, and can turn invisable at will. Undetectable without knocking into them at first. A varient has mechanical wings, so you may have invisable winged unkillable snipers. Might be best to stay in your room with the door shut if you are a guardspony.

Crocotta: Once childeren before the change into metal, these beings are the same size as a young filly. Due to a mishap of Serpents, these childern where awake during the time others where sleeping, but could not move ether way. Now utterly insane after eons of awareness, these little ones want to play.

Abiku: Basic solder. Not much else.

Karkadanns: Powerful fighters. Armored, fast, and flexable. Uses both a longspear and metal horn in combat. About 4/3 bigger than a normal zecron. Head-spike is a bright color, the brightest the lower in rank, with a black-colored horn meaning a increadbly strong foe.

Abadas: Nobles, royals, yata yata yata. Even bigger than a Karkadan, but less heavly built. Along with having the best ranged weapons, they have the ability to command others. The most powerful are called the Aliabadas's.

Shamans: The preists of the gods, they have the ability to throw there necromatic staff around, causing death with a touch. Fear them. Have acces to several spells unseen elsewere, to boot.

Totem: A great carved totem form the olden times, they have many benfits to those wo are near it. They are often droped in combat to cause harmful magical effects to the living near it.




Survivers
Dream Serpents chosen are still among the living. Scattered they may be, they have many of the old ways intergrated into there new, now relitivly primitive lifestyle. Recipes for deamon-slaying powders and magical potions lie alongside home remadies. The way of the Karkadann has not been lost, and more than a few explores have met there end at the (literal) hooves of these hunters. They do not wish to have contact with those with warp affinity, but are willing to trade with races decended from those that once where allied with there empire.

[Tychris1]

Pretty good. I like the invisible flying immortal sniper Zebras the most :smallbiggrin:

[Pokonic]

I actualy had a lot of fun invisoning a Karkadann. There the sort of things that could go against a champion of Khorne and win, and thats just while they where living! ( Albet, the years of fighting monsters and the anti-warp fetishes on there body help a lot.)

But yeah, Ogban are hardcore. You could actualy see a group of them stalking a city, silently looking for living zebras to snach up to be "improved".
Heck, they could be anywere. Including the one right behind Lixie.

[Tychris1]

Woh woh woh. I like the Karkadanns to, but the Khorne champion will always beat him for one simple reason.

Catch phrase.

No amount of technology will let you defeat someone with a really good slogan. Even immortality won't help you.

[Pokonic]

True, true.

But if you think about it, is it not even more intimidating simply to say nothing? Why boast if you are one of the most skilled killing mechines in the universe, and you know it?

Of course, they can die from being shot point-blank in the head, so a point to the Blood gods worshipers.:smallbiggrin:

[Lix Lorn]

Heck, they could be anywere. Including the one right behind Lixie.
Yeah, they're pretty sweet when you wrestle them away from the C'tan. I call him Alfred.

[Pokonic]

Yeah, they're pretty sweet when you wrestle them away from the C'tan. I call him Alfred.

I will admit, they can make a mean mutten stew, as long as they prepare the meat personaly.:smalltongue:

Surprised you managed to turn him away from Spider, tho. Fun guy, and followers get immunity to the laws of the people (Tricksters Gambit), with the only downside is that you get be indistructable. So yeah, you must have like, necromantic cocaine or something.

Also, on the gods: I would like to break them down better. Spider, as mentioned, had the Zebras best intrest in mind (his gift was a wonder substance, not a wonder weapon!), and would fit squarly in TN, considering he sees his fellow gods more like co-workers than threats to the world. Eshu would be tricky at the best of times, because he can fit all around the entire range of chaos.Is fairly nice to creatures that respect it, however. Dream Serpent is fairly good, making him ranging around NG to LN, making him a fairly good entity all around, but is rather hard for mortals to comprehend and his half-reliance on dream logic and imagination makes him very, very alien for mortals to understand. So yeah, the Tech-preists are being inspired by a fairly bengin being. Asheah is utterly evil, and does nothing to distract others by acting insane or placing rules around him. He has power, and is willing to give it for somting in return.

[Lix Lorn]

Are you intentionally making them nicer to make the setting less bleak? Cause I approve!

[Pokonic]

Are you intentionally making them nicer to make the setting less bleak? Cause I approve!

Well, kind of. Zecrons proper are less "kill all life" so much as "restore former glory". Actual living zebras are very much willing to trade, and they are a bit like Warhammer lizerdmen as they are powerful apponents of chaos. Very low in numbers and using tech that has been cast into myth, but a zebra is still capiable of making a potion to regenerate wounds or make ones bones as strong as iron. They are, by the way, still improving on there stuff, so even more reason for a Zecrontyr ship to "collect" a tribe or two for conversion.

The Star Gods (avoiding the name C'tan) all are much different, but if you want evidence that this is lighter and softer I guess you can take the fact that the local Void Dragon equivulent is mostly good and run with it. As alien as you could be, but still good

[HalfTangible]

Gasp! The forbbidon double post! How could such a thing happen!

Well, first off, its big. Zebras, Zebras everywhere!

Can they also be Neighcrontyr?

[HalfTangible]

Sorry for double post - I'm typing up a backstory for Trixie, what name should we give her legion?

I was thinking 'The Great and Powerful Legion' or 'The Trixies'. Sounds like something she'd do.

...Or we could just go with Alpha Legion and say that she picked it cuz she thought 'Number One Legion' wasn't good enough.

[Pokonic]

Can they also be Neighcrontyr?

I have been using the word "Zecrontyr", but whatever the majority wants. :smallcool:


I was thinking 'The Great and Powerful Legion' or 'The Trixies'. Sounds like something she'd do.

Well, 'The Great and Powerful Legion' sounds like a nice name, but what about the Blue Stars? Rather generic, but it fits the basic theme well.

Also, the reqired comment about comments for the Zecrons and there changes to basic canon. How do the three parts look to you? I may move on to dogs and dark eldeer in the same style, if everyone apporoves of it.

[Forum Explorer]

Sorry for double post - I'm typing up a backstory for Trixie, what name should we give her legion?

I was thinking 'The Great and Powerful Legion' or 'The Trixies'. Sounds like something she'd do.

...Or we could just go with Alpha Legion and say that she picked it cuz she thought 'Number One Legion' wasn't good enough.

The Lunamoons :smallwink:

[HalfTangible]

The Lunamoons :smallwink:

....

I don't get it.

[Pokonic]

Neither do I.


....Huh. So, does anyone have any suggestions about the Dark Eldeer fluff before I start? Also, are Zecrons okay?

[HalfTangible]

Neither do I.


....Huh. So, does anyone have any suggestions about the Dark Eldeer fluff before I start? They call their city 'Camelrogg'.


Also, are Zecrons okay?

Heck if i know.

[Pokonic]

Its prononced "Camelorragh", not "Camelrogg", mare-keigh! :smalltongue:

Anyway, onword to Dogs! Then Deer!

[HalfTangible]

Its prononced "Camelorragh", not "Camelrogg", mare-keigh! :smalltongue:

Anyway, onword to Dogs! Then Deer!

Can't they call them 'Mew-el'? :smalltongue:

[Tychris1]

....

I don't get it.

Alpha Legion= Luna Wolves

[HalfTangible]

Alpha Legion= Luna Wolves

Still don't get it, and Luna's Legion is still the Luna Wolves/Daughters of Luna/Black Legion :smalltongue:

[Pokonic]

Can't they call them 'Mew-el'? :smalltongue:

Well, we always have Don-keighs, but it does not have that ring to it, yah know?

Scrach that, thats what I am using for now on. Particualy durning the (hopeful) dialoge I get to have with the ponies.

[Forum Explorer]

....

I don't get it.

I think the toy manufacturers recently released a Trixie toy (as in a pony toy who looks like Trixie) who is apparently named Lunamoon.

[HalfTangible]

The Great and Powerful Trixie (preheresy)
"You were never beyond the Great and Powerful Trixie, Twilight. You were, perhaps, worth her notice once, but now? Oh no. Now you are not even Trixie's sibling. Now, you are merely a corpse. You just don't know it yet." -Trixie in her last known conversation with Twilight Sparkle during the Luna Heresy
"Dumbtraitorbitchsayswhat?" -Spike, shortly after hearing the above

Though no one in the imperium would have admitted it at the time, Trixie was probably one of the most disliked amongst her siblings (though ordinary ponies treated her with the same reverence as any other primarch) for her overtly cocky attitude and overuse of third-person. Few could deny she was a master of subterfuge, though fewer could deny her utter and complete contempt for the talents of others.

No one truly knows Trixie's background, nor even what planet she started on. When she was found by Rarity's Star Sapphires, she had already left her homeworld and started an expedition of her own, apparently to 'reunite the ponies spread across the stars'. Upon learning of the Imperium, Trixie eagerly took command of her own legion. She immediately demanded that, as the most powerful being to ever grace the stars, that every single Mareine attempt to emulate her. While they could use their own names amongst themselves, all outsiders (even their sister space mareine legions) would know them as 'The Great and Powerful Trixie'.

The Legion's almost inbred loyalty to their primarch was the only real reason this change was sincerely adopted. Trixie proceeded to launch many powerful, showy campaigns of incredible bedazzling power. What few knew, however, is that Trixie merely used these flashy antics as a cover-up for undercover, spying and sabotage work.

The Great and Powerful Trixie's Legion and Twilight Sparkle's Space Dragons were almost constantly at odds - Twilight detested Trixie's loud mouth while Trixie considered Twilight a pathetic upstart. On any and all occasions they worked together, the two came to blows over this or that issue, to the degree that even the Mareines hated to work with each other after a time.

Jealousy for Twilight's undeniable talent in magic festered and grew in Trixie's heart. While her techniques were generally flashier, Twilight had a raw power and control that Trixie could never hope to match (though in Trixie's arrogance she chalked up all of Twilight's victories to luck).

However, during a campaign in the Lorgar system, Trixie's boasting caused the locals to attack in full force. However, this was one of the joint assignments between the Space Dragons and her legion.

The Space Dragon's losses totalled nearly eight hundred by the time the planet was cleansed of the enemy, whereas Trixie's legion suffered only fourty-seven.

When confronted by Twilight and Celestia on the matter, Trixie said, quite openly, that if Twilight's legion had even a fraction of the strength hers had, their losses would have been split evenly. Spike pointed out (Twilight was too furious to speak) that the positioning of the Space Dragon's deployment zones was almost guaranteed to kill them all.

Trixie replied that had she sent her own Legion, the task would have been accomplished with minimal losses. Therefore, all the fault laid with "those pathetic dragons who were as weak as you are puny, you servant lizard."

For obvious reasons, Twilight tackled Trixie and a hooffight ensued. However, Celestia stopped both of them before they started to use magic, so the two just ended up simmering over the incident.

Celestia ordered the fight be kept secret, though it was impossible to keep out of the Space Dragons and Trixie's legions. None of the others knew of the scuffle, though the other Primarchs learned of it, with varying reactions.

Some historians believe that Trixie was actually the first of the primarchs to fall to chaos, and the campaign was a brutal first strike intended to instill intense rage in Twilight's heart. Others believe Trixie was just a prideful, arrogant twerp who needed a good kick in the teeth.

I kinda took a cop-out for Trixie's backstory, but they do the same thing with the Alpha Legion so... why not? :smalltongue:

(Lix, can i work you in as the Omegeron to Trixie's Alpharius?

[Pokonic]

Oh, I like.

Nice work. Spikes given quote made me chuckle.c:smallwink:

[Lix Lorn]

(Lix, can i work you in as the Omegeron to Trixie's Alpharius?
...maybe. I like to think of myself as 'not an utter bitch'. xD

[HalfTangible]

...maybe. I like to think of myself as 'not an utter bitch'. xD

...

Ok then. *revs a chainsaw* Just gimme a minute, I'll make you one[/joke]

Let's see what I can do... I'm thinking Lixie was the nice one, split off from Trixie's legion at some point, and started waging a shadow war to topple the Luna Heresy from within... and depending on whether you mind her being a servant of Slaanesh, she could either rejoin the Imperium with Celestia's pardon (establishing that being near chaos doesn't mean serving them and resistance from within is possible) or become their own traitor legion worshipping Slaanesh (if i remember correctly, Tzeentch and Slaanesh didn't like each other any more than Khorne and Tzeentch did)

[Lix Lorn]

...

Ok then. *revs a chainsaw* Just gimme a minute, I'll make you one[/joke]
...I don't get it.


Let's see what I can do... I'm thinking Lixie was the nice one, split off from Trixie's legion at some point, and started waging a shadow war to topple the Luna Heresy from within... and depending on whether you mind her being a servant of Slaanesh, she could either rejoin the Imperium with Celestia's pardon (establishing that being near chaos doesn't mean serving them and resistance from within is possible) or become their own traitor legion worshipping Slaanesh (if i remember correctly, Tzeentch and Slaanesh didn't like each other any more than Khorne and Tzeentch did)
...maaan, I could go for EITHER of them.

[HalfTangible]

...I don't get it.Ya know how the joker says anyone can go crazy after one really bad day? Judging from most TV dramas, that philosophy extends to include 'a complete jerk after one bad day.'


...maaan, I could go for EITHER of them.

I prefer the Slaanesh worshipper one, personally. It means I don't have to come up with a differing name for the Lixie Alpha Legion. May have to do that anyway...

[Pokonic]

...
Let's see what I can do... I'm thinking Lixie was the nice one, split off from Trixie's legion at some point, and started waging a shadow war to topple the Luna Heresy from within... and depending on whether you mind her being a servant of Slaanesh, she could either rejoin the Imperium with Celestia's pardon (establishing that being near chaos doesn't mean serving them and resistance from within is possible) or become their own traitor legion worshipping Slaanesh (if i remember correctly, Tzeentch and Slaanesh didn't like each other any more than Khorne and Tzeentch did)


Well, Lix, you ould always use both.

Whos to say that she never did actualy bowed to Celestia and attempts to bring chaos down from the inside?

A foolish goal, but a goal neverless.

[Lix Lorn]

Or it could mean she fell to slaanesh, and then came back again. :P

Also, I kinda doubt she could bring half a legion back. It seems to me that maybe SHE came back to Celestia, but no-one in her legion did.

[HalfTangible]

Or it could mean she fell to slaanesh, and then came back again. :P

Also, I kinda doubt she could bring half a legion back. It seems to me that maybe SHE came back to Celestia, but no-one in her legion did.

How did she wage the shadow war if nopony stayed with her?

[Pokonic]

How did she wage the shadow war if nopony stayed with her?

Carefully?

[Lix Lorn]

How did she wage the shadow war if nopony stayed with her?


Carefully?
Dude, she's a unicorn PRIMARCH. xD The only pony who would be a threat to her is her sister.

[HalfTangible]

Dude, she's a unicorn PRIMARCH. xD The only pony who would be a threat to her is her sister.

......I think you overestimate the primarchs. Powerful they may be but they weren't invincible - Horus was brought down by Orks once, recall.

She could do some damage, but against her entire Legion she would eventually fall.

Also, *points to your avy* Lixie is a Pegasus.

[Tychris1]

Primarch or not, it's still 1 super soldier up against 10 million super soldiers with a variety of deadly weapons, Sleighnoughts, Trojans, and other Daemon nasties.

[Lix Lorn]

......I think you overestimate the primarchs. Powerful they may be but they weren't invincible - Horus was brought down by Orks once, recall.

She could do some damage, but against her entire Legion she would eventually fall.

Also, *points to your avy* Lixie is a Pegasus.
A primarch is to, say, a daemon prince, as a daemon prince is to chaos marines.

But yes, if I tried to fight the whole legion I'd lose HORRIBLE. It'd be sabotage and hit and run, obviously.

[HalfTangible]

A primarch is to, say, a daemon prince, as a daemon prince is to chaos marines.

But yes, if I tried to fight the whole legion I'd lose HORRIBLE. It'd be sabotage and hit and run, obviously.

No, the EMPEROR/PRINCESS is the Daemon-Prince level. Primarchs are somewhat like 3 dozen space mar/eines.

[Tychris1]

.....So if Primarch > Daemon Prince, why is it that all of the Chaos Primarchs ascended to Daemon Princehood and become more powerful then their primarch selves?

Edit: VINDICARE'D!

[Lix Lorn]

Dude, the Emperor is like a minor deity.
(And because then the chaos primarchs are to normal primarchs as daemon princes are to chapter masters, silly. :smalltongue:

And three dozen space marines is PRETTY POWERFUL ENOUGH. If I were a primarch on a hit and run campaign, and I was dumb enough to attack more than thirty six marines at once, I'd be pretty stupid!

[HalfTangible]

Dude, the Emperor is like a minor deity.
(And because then the chaos primarchs are to normal primarchs as daemon princes are to chapter masters, silly. :smalltongue:

And three dozen space marines is PRETTY POWERFUL ENOUGH. If I were a primarch on a hit and run campaign, and I was dumb enough to attack more than thirty six marines at once, I'd be pretty stupid!

Dude, DAEMON PRINCES are minor deities :smalltongue: They're just shy of greater Daemons, recuerdas?

[HalfTangible]

Part of me wants to write a backstory for the Brothers of Combat... but I can't until I know what happened to Spike after the Luna Heresy...

And who lives or dies through that is going to be a big deal...

*fretfretfret* And we STILL don't have all our Primarchs...

[Forum Explorer]

somebody needs to write the story of Pip the Pirate King.

[Lix Lorn]

Dude, DAEMON PRINCES are minor deities :smalltongue: They're just shy of greater Daemons, recuerdas?
...nah. Daemon Princes and greater daemons are equivalent to Avatars, which are a FRACTION of a deity.

[HalfTangible]

...nah. Daemon Princes and greater daemons are equivalent to Avatars, which are a FRACTION of a deity.

'Fraction of a diety' has the same power level as a minor diety. It's just called a fraction because it's technically an extension of the god's will.

[Lix Lorn]

...I very much disagree. If Khaine took the battlefield unshattered, he'd have Strength D, Toughness 10, and saving throw 1+ (invulnerable). But I think we now may be getting to things that are opinion based rather than canon.

Anyway. I just don't imagine having a decent fraction of the legion?

Although... I could get two birds with one stone. Legions were 10,000 plus, chapters are 1000. I could probably have got 1000, and then ended up with a loyalist chapter. If they're not taken, I could have the Raven Guard. Dunno what I'd call them. Raven Guard would probably fit.

[HalfTangible]

...I very much disagree. If Khaine took the battlefield unshattered, he'd have Strength D, Toughness 10, and saving throw 1+ (invulnerable). But I think we now may be getting to things that are opinion based rather than canon.We have to. There's no canon instance where a god shows up, or we see exactly how many ordinary space marines it takes to bring down a primarch.

Also, if Khaine took to the battlefield unshattered, he'd just blow it up by blinking. You'd never NEED a Strength stat unless he fought another god. And if you DID it would have to be higher than 10.

(and saving throws are based on toughness except for invulnerable saves... which i don't really understand, but whatever)
Anyway. I just don't imagine having a decent fraction of the legion?
*looks at next paragraph* Apparently you can. :smalltongue: 10% defection is decent enough in war bad enough for the side with defectors.

Although... I could get two birds with one stone. Legions were 10,000 plus, chapters are 1000. I could probably have got 1000, and then ended up with a loyalist chapter. If they're not taken, I could have the Raven Guard. Dunno what I'd call them. Raven Guard would probably fit.

'Kay. Raven guard for Lixie.

[Lix Lorn]

I just mean compared to the 50% people were saying. xD

The problem here is that it puts us a primarch short..? Is that a problem or can we ignore it? Or just make up a legion from scratch to fill the gaps?

[HalfTangible]

I just mean compared to the 50% people were saying. xD

The problem here is that it puts us a primarch short..? Is that a problem or can we ignore it? Or just make up a legion from scratch to fill the gaps?

18 Legions in the Heresy, recall. We're going to go with 16 Primarchs down from 20 anyway - this actually puts us in a better position of only needing to cut out one legion (which we already did, in a way - the blood angels come from Fluttershy's gene-stock) especially since Omegron was never counted as one of the original 20 primarchs.

[byaku rai]

We have to. There's no canon instance where a god shows up, or we see exactly how many ordinary space marines it takes to bring down a primarch.



During the Battle of Isstvan V, Corax, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Lorgar, and Vulkan (maybe more, but you get the idea) took directly to the battlefield. In the Horus Heresy novel that describes the battle (Fulgrim, I believe, but AFB right now), each primarch is shredding through normal Marines left and right effortlessly. I'm not sure of the canon status of the Horus Heresy novels, though, so that may not be canonically accurate.

[Pokonic]

somebody needs to write the story of Pip the Pirate King.

Nah. Pip could be a founding member of the Brothers of Combat.

Also, would anyone be interested in a backstory to Big Mac?

[HalfTangible]

During the Battle of Isstvan V, Corax, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Lorgar, and Vulkan (maybe more, but you get the idea) took directly to the battlefield. In the Horus Heresy novel that describes the battle (Fulgrim, I believe, but AFB right now), each primarch is shredding through normal Marines left and right effortlessly. I'm not sure of the canon status of the Horus Heresy novels, though, so that may not be canonically accurate.

I'm currently reading Fulgrim, but I haven't gotten there yet. However, 'How many it takes to bring them down' was the key part there :smalltongue:


Nah. Pip could be a founding member of the Brothers of Combat.

Also, would anyone be interested in a backstory to Big Mac?

He, Spike and Pip could've founded the Brothers.

[Pokonic]

My idea for Big mac is to have been raised on the agricultural planet that was once Applejacks landing place, defends several places from some sort of attack, becomes a Brother of Combat out of choice, and is now one of the greatist among them.

Was going to strech that out into a few paragraphs, but what the heck.

[HalfTangible]

My idea for Big mac is to have been raised on the agricultural planet that was once Applejacks landing place, defends several places from some sort of attack, becomes a Brother of Combat out of choice, and is now one of the greatist among them.

Was going to strech that out into a few paragraphs, but what the heck.

Perhaps the first Living Saint? (basically, literal angels) Old age has to be a factor somewhere for ordinary ponies.

(In addition, Applejack being raised by Big Mac's family strikes me as an awesome idea for reasons I can't quite identify... aside from the obvious show homage... maybe it's because then Applejack, Big Mac, and Applebloom are essentially not only family, but one of the most important families in all the imperium)

[Lix Lorn]

During the Battle of Isstvan V, Corax, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Lorgar, and Vulkan (maybe more, but you get the idea) took directly to the battlefield. In the Horus Heresy novel that describes the battle (Fulgrim, I believe, but AFB right now), each primarch is shredding through normal Marines left and right effortlessly. I'm not sure of the canon status of the Horus Heresy novels, though, so that may not be canonically accurate.
Generally I'd say not canon, but A: I may be wrong, and B: It's backing me for once. :P

[HalfTangible]

Generally I'd say not canon, but A: I may be wrong, and B: It's backing me for once. :P

No it isn't. The Primarchs are taken down by other primarchs, Demons, and the warp. We don't know how many Space Marines a primarch is worth - we just know that Primach > Space Marine, which we kinda knew already. :smalltongue: And that the traitor Primarchs wanted to be Daemons implies quite loudly that Daemons are stonger than them.

Where, precisely, do Daemons fit on the scale that includes Khaine, The Emperor and the Primarchs?

[Lix Lorn]

My point all along is that the answer was 'lots'. :P

[HalfTangible]

My point all along is that the answer was 'lots'. :P

We already KNEW that! xD I was arguing against your perception/portrayal of the power of Daemons, Primarchs and Avatars... (and Avatars count for all intents and purposes as daemons in the tabletop and the video games)

Also, thinking on it, if Lixie turned against Trixie, the latter would most definitely make taking her out quickly a very, very high priority.

But whatever - Lixie breaks off of Trixie's legion with roughly 1000 mareines, who form the raven guard... or the Legion of the Damned, I dunno :smalltongue:

[Lix Lorn]

Legion of the damned don't get to dooo anything. xD

[Pokonic]

Perhaps the first Living Saint? (basically, literal angels) Old age has to be a factor somewhere for ordinary ponies.

(In addition, Applejack being raised by Big Mac's family strikes me as an awesome idea for reasons I can't quite identify... aside from the obvious show homage... maybe it's because then Applejack, Big Mac, and Applebloom are essentially not only family, but one of the most important families in all the imperium)

Yeah, between a Primarch, a Liveing Saint ( Do they live forever, or what? Would be interesting if he actualy had to save Applejacks butt with a cool head), and one-third of the founders of one of the most importent goverment orginisations of all time, they are probably are up in the top twenty. :smallbiggrin:

Oh, and Appleoosa could be a Cadian equivulent, making them even more of a badass family because of that endless war with the Buffalo. Heck, lets make Granny Smith a tech-priest Magos for the heck of it. ( It started with the hip. Then the spine.)


EDIT: In Dawn of War, the winter map is played on Lorn V. I dont know why I mentioned this.

[HalfTangible]

Yeah, between a Primarch, a Liveing Saint ( Do they live forever, or what? Would be interesting if he actualy had to save Applejacks butt with a cool head), and one-third of the founders of one of the most importent goverment orginisations of all time, they are probably are up in the top twenty. :smallbiggrin:

Oh, and Appleoosa could be a Cadian equivulent, making them even more of a badass family because of that endless war with the Buffalo. Heck, lets make Granny Smith a tech-priest Magos for the heck of it. ( It started with the hip. Then the spine.)


EDIT: In Dawn of War, the winter map is played on Lorn V. I dont know why I mentioned this.

The entire campaign of Winter Assault takes place on Lorn V...

...Is Lorn V important? *goes to look it up*

[Pokonic]

Lix Lorn.

Hehehehe....

[Tychris1]

Wait, so is the 18 chapters we have so far include the 2 unknown chapters or excludes them? And how does having Fluttershy's genestock make the Blood Angels cut down 1 chapter? Wouldn't that just make her the Blood Angel's primarch?

Also, I have an idea for Derpy to be Night Haunter. Wierd misplaced eyes are caused by the fact that she doesn't need them as much on her planet. Plus her eyris' (That's what the black things in your eyes are called right?) were stretched out SO wide that it just covered the whole eye, giving her the black eye look that Night Haunter has (The geneseed stretch's out the eyris just as wide by default). She only reverts her eyes back to normal to look upon Celestia's holy light and not go blind, the dark eyes are considered a holy blessing from Derpy herself and as of such the Night Ladies prize themselves over it. Thoughts? I have more plans for her if we agree on her (Such as why she's always in the background in the show).

[HalfTangible]

Wait, so is the 18 chapters we have so far include the 2 unknown chapters or excludes them? And how does having Fluttershy's genestock make the Blood Angels cut down 1 chapter? Wouldn't that just make her the Blood Angel's primarch?As I recall, the Blood Angels split off from the Dark Angels chapter because they could not shake off the 'Black Rage' or 'Red Thirst', whereas the Dark Angels could.


Also, I have an idea for Derpy to be Night Haunter. Wierd misplaced eyes are caused by the fact that she doesn't need them as much on her planet. Plus her eyris' (That's what the black things in your eyes are called right?) were stretched out SO wide that it just covered the whole eye, giving her the black eye look that Night Haunter has (The geneseed stretch's out the eyris just as wide by default). She only reverts her eyes back to normal to look upon Celestia's holy light and not go blind, the dark eyes are considered a holy blessing from Derpy herself and as of such the Night Ladies prize themselves over it. Thoughts? I have more plans for her if we agree on her (Such as why she's always in the background in the show).

[Pokonic]

As I recall, the Blood Angels split off from the Dark Angels chapter because they could not shake off the 'Black Rage' or 'Red Thirst', whereas the Dark Angels could.

Do we have to have them drink blood? Good old fashened insanity and a Higurashi-style murderers have never not been effective.

[HalfTangible]

Do we have to have them drink blood? Good old fashened insanity and a Higurashi-style murderers have never not been effective.

*sigh*

It was changed to them craving attention.