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CarpeGuitarrem
2011-10-21, 11:36 AM
And it's pretty dang shiny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op3w_ICK4us)

I, for one, am very excited by what I see. Very. Excited. Geeking out, even. This guy was one of the staples of my childhood.

Teron
2011-10-21, 11:51 AM
Shiny, indeed. I hope the French translation will be good -- Tintin in English just doesn't feel right to me.

Eldan
2011-10-21, 12:49 PM
Hmm. I would have to watch it in German. I've watched all the previous movies only in German, and I've read the comics only in German...
But German translations tend to be rather bad. My French is also bad. That's difficult.

Also: Power that could change History? What are they talking about?
Also also: Evil? Haddock firing a Rocket Launcher?

H Birchgrove
2011-10-21, 05:07 PM
I have a bad mixed feelings about this... I hope there won't be some kind of sci-fi-ish unobtanium-based MacGuffin in the treasure chest.

I guess there won't be opium smuggling in this film. Sad, because it was one of the first hints that the Tintin books weren't just "children's comics".

I hope that when Roman Polanski has duly served time, he will get to direct a Tintin film about Tintin fighting fascist conspiracies in Eastern Europe.

Lord Loss
2011-10-21, 08:02 PM
Tintin in English makes me want to vomit. Also, there are so many better books than Le Secret de la Licorne in terms of movie adaptation, stuff like Les Sept Boules de Crystal, Les Cigares du Pharaon, L'Étoile Mysterieuse and a lot of other ones would have been way better (fine that last one's not amazing, but I personally love it...).

Kindablue
2011-10-21, 08:04 PM
As someone who thought Tintin was the dog, this looks incredible.

Trazoi
2011-10-21, 08:16 PM
It looks engaging but reaaaally hits the uncanny valley with the characters. They look really odd in this almost-realistic style rather than the clean simple style of the comic. With the level of detail I'm not sure if live actors would be preferable.

Starscream
2011-10-21, 08:17 PM
On the one hand, I tend to be cynical about this sort of "re-imagining". I've been burned too many times.

On the other hand: Steven Speilberg + Peter Jackson + Stephen Moffat + Edgar Wright = the frigging best behind-the-scenes team up conceivable.

Seriously, if this movie sucks it can only because having so many brilliant people working on it caused some sort of integer overflow of awesomeness.

Maelstrom
2011-10-22, 06:17 AM
Tintin in English makes me want to vomit. Also, there are so many better books than Le Secret de la Licorne in terms of movie adaptation, stuff like Les Sept Boules de Crystal, Les Cigares du Pharaon, L'Étoile Mysterieuse and a lot of other ones would have been way better (fine that last one's not amazing, but I personally love it...).

OK, for the people that keep saying this...*THE FILM IS IN FRENCH AS WELL*

Ya really think they'd release this in English speaking countries in it's original language? Really???

And speaking of the film in French, we get to see it here next Tuesday...

Eldan
2011-10-22, 06:20 AM
Well, as for the "mysterious ancient power"....
The original series *did* have aliens and (perhaps) magic. Any Yetis.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-22, 09:17 AM
Well, as for the "mysterious ancient power"....
The original series *did* have aliens and (perhaps) magic. Any Yetis.

But not in the The Crab with the Golden Claws (thriller about narcotics smuggling), The Secret of the Unicorn (detective story about the missing model ships) and Red Rackham's Treasure (a "traditional" treasure hunt with lots of humour in it). Not even Calculus' inventions are really that sci-fi here, the shark submarine was based on a real life shark U-boat used by the Whacky Nazis.

But yeah, what you mentioned might be what made Spielberg and rest of the gang include that.

Eldan
2011-10-22, 11:04 AM
Oh, true enough. I'd even say the one with the Aliens was one of hte weakest of the comic books and the more traditional pulp/Adventure/detective stories were better. But the elements were there.

Still, I really hope they don't overplay that part.

CarpeGuitarrem
2011-10-22, 11:27 AM
Oh dear me. Is Spielberg at it again with the aliens?

Xondoure
2011-10-22, 07:33 PM
On the one hand, I tend to be cynical about this sort of "re-imagining". I've been burned too many times.

On the other hand: Steven Speilberg + Peter Jackson + Stephen Moffat + Edgar Wright = the frigging best behind-the-scenes team up conceivable.

Seriously, if this movie sucks it can only because having so many brilliant people working on it caused some sort of integer overflow of awesomeness.

Lets not forget John Williams. :biggrin:

H Birchgrove
2011-10-23, 04:24 PM
Oh, true enough. I'd even say the one with the Aliens was one of hte weakest of the comic books and the more traditional pulp/Adventure/detective stories were better. But the elements were there.

Still, I really hope they don't overplay that part.

To be fair, the aliens were pretty darn subtle, and Flight 714 was part of Hergé's "deconstruction" period (previously serious villains are made to look silly, later in Tintin and the Picaros, Tintin doesn't want to adventure and Haddock can't drink, etc).

Hergé did say that the reason he didn't want to make more science fiction/space travel stories after Destination Moon/Explorers on the Moon, was that he was so serious when doing those and making more serious (hard) science fiction would be boring and pointless, especially since he wouldn't have aliens (of the Bug-Eyed Monster variety).

Avilan the Grey
2011-10-24, 01:17 AM
I am not impressed.

To be fair Tintin was never one of my favorites; Lucky Luke, Asterix, Iznogoud and Gaston were higher up on my scale when it came to the Belgian-French comic tradition (dad always read Lucky Luke for us as bedtime stories when I was little). That said the main reason for me is the style. I was very excited when I first heard of this until I saw that they were going for the CGI look.

Morganatic
2011-10-24, 06:23 AM
I don't know why people are so down on the English translations, and hold the French ones in such high regard relative to them. At least in my opinion, Michael Turner and Leslie Lonsdale-Cooper made an enormous number of developments and developed idioms that for me characterise what makes Tintin so awesome - 'billions of blue bubonic blistering barnacles and bashi-bazouks', and so on. They didn't go for a 100% accurate translation, but were instead much more concerned with something that captures the spirit of the original, and had Herge's blessing, and encouragment, to take it where they wanted - Dupont and Dupond into the distinctly different Thompson and Thomson. I don't know if Turner or Lonsdale-Cooper had any role in the film, as Turner died in 2009, but if Spielberg et al. took their cues from that translation, then I'm happy on that front.

Avilan the Grey
2011-10-24, 06:52 AM
I don't know why people are so down on the English translations, and hold the French ones in such high regard relative to them. At least in my opinion, Michael Turner and Leslie Lonsdale-Cooper made an enormous number of developments and developed idioms that for me characterise what makes Tintin so awesome - 'billions of blue bubonic blistering barnacles and bashi-bazouks', and so on.

I have no experience with the English translations but the Swedish translations were extremely high quality, just as for the other comics I listed above. The did and AMAZING job.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-24, 07:32 AM
I have no experience with the English translations but the Swedish translations were extremely high quality, just as for the other comics I listed above. The did and AMAZING job.

Bomber och granater och krevader! Anfäkta och anamma!

Indeed they did! :smallcool:

To fully appreciate the French original, you need to know some stuff about Belgian and French culture and history. (Though the same could be said about the Swedish translations and Swedish context, like "sumprunkare" being an old profession, and "anamma" comes from "djävlar anamma" = "May devils take my soul", which is rather hardcore.) Also, the various fictitious languages in the world of Tintin are based on dialects in Brussels.

Also, you need to understand French. :smallfrown:

Eldan
2011-10-24, 07:32 AM
I was somewhere between six and twelve years old at the time, but the German translation is the only thing I know, really, and they were good enough for me, then :smalltongue:

I also had pretty much the entire TV series on video cassettes. No idea where that vanished to.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-24, 07:35 AM
I was somewhere between six and twelve years old at the time, but the German translation is the only thing I know, really, and they were good enough for me, then :smalltongue:

I also had pretty much the entire TV series on video cassettes. No idea where that vanished to.

Which of the series? The 1990's Nelvana or the old 1950/60's Belvision?

Eldan
2011-10-24, 08:24 AM
I didn't know which one until I looked it up, but it seems to be I had boxed sets of the new ones, and a few TV-recorded copies of the old one in horrible quality.

Didn't know there were two, really. As I said, I was under ten years old at the time.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-24, 08:55 AM
You can get the new one completely in DVD; of the old one only The Calculus Affair story-arc (edited into one single film).

I remember fondly both series... Nostalgia wise I prefer the older one, but the later version has better production value and is far more faithful to the books.

Axolotl
2011-10-24, 10:06 AM
I'm fairly ambivalent about this film at the moment, not because of it being in English, I grew up reading the English versions (with the exception of Tintin in the Congo which my parents could only get a French copy of) so I'm fine with that. It's just the CGI visuals, it looks too uncanny valley, I feel either they should make it stylised like the comics or do it live action. On the other hand Speilberg, Jackson, Moffat, Cornish and Wright is one of those cinematic dream teams that I can't see doing anything wrong.

ninja_penguin
2011-10-24, 01:39 PM
I dunno, I'm fairly happy with it so far. I think to a point they're ratcheting the action up a little bit, which I guess is slightly understandable.

I don't see what the big deal with the characters is, really; I'd prefer cartoons over pure live action.

Maelstrom
2011-10-24, 02:45 PM
We've got tickets for tomorrow night...kids are excited..will let you know how it goes

Ravens_cry
2011-10-25, 12:45 AM
On one hand, I love the Interwar period for action adventure. Porco Rosso is probably my favourite of the Ghibli films I have seen. I also think they did a good job of translating his famous top not to a somewhat more detailed medium.
On other hand, I don't like all the action that appears to have been added. Tintin was never afraid to resort to good old fisticuffs if the need arose, but he was more known for thinking his way out of a bad situation. I can't think of a single one where Tintin or any of his associates would resort to a rocket launcher.

Avilan the Grey
2011-10-25, 12:52 AM
Yes, I think my two biggest reasons I am not very interested is these:

1. The Uncanny Valley Weirdness choice. Either go all animation, or (preferred!) normal actors.

2. Too much action. Tintin has always been rather slow paced. But I guess they had to "spice it up" for the "kids". Or something.

Eldan
2011-10-25, 02:32 AM
Yeah, the Rocket launcher scene was the one where I was really wondering how much this still has in common with the source material.

Ravens_cry
2011-10-25, 03:10 PM
Yes, I think my two biggest reasons I am not very interested is these:

1. The Uncanny Valley Weirdness choice. Either go all animation, or (preferred!) normal actors.

Personally, a somewhat higher budget version of the Nelvana series animation would have been my choice. But yes, this mix is a bit weird. The bit at the end of the trailer with the motorcycle looked like something added just so they could add it to the video game. The camera work even looked like something from a third person game.



2. Too much action. Tintin has always been rather slow paced. But I guess they had to "spice it up" for the "kids". Or something.
Yeah. I also object to adding mystical elements to this particular adventure. Sure, Tintin has had supernatural and paranormal elements, ranging from Hollywood Hypnotism to Yetis to levitation, but the stories this seems to pretend to be based on didn't.

Kane
2011-10-25, 03:29 PM
Personally, a somewhat higher budget version of the Nelvana series animation would have been my choice. But yes, this mix is a bit weird. The bit at the end of the trailer with the motorcycle looked like something added just so they could add it to the video game. The camera work even looked like something from a third person game.


Yeah. I also object to adding mystical elements to this particular adventure. Sure, Tintin has had supernatural and paranormal elements, ranging from Hollywood Hypnotism to Yetis to levitation, but the stories this seems to pretend to be based on didn't.
[English-version reader here. Tintin and Asterix are the only comics I read as a kid, and sometimes go back and re-read them.]

I would generally concur with this. The first and biggest warning bell for me was the scene of the ship/storm/desert, which seemed totally bizarre, having to do with neither adventure.

And, yes, as people have said, I am disappointed that it will not be a intrigue-filled opium-smuggling mystery, or, apparently, a double-feature of The model-ships adventure (can't remember the name off the top of my head,) and Secrets of the Unicorn. (They seem like they ought to go together.)

That said, I'm... sort-of looking forward to it. Hope remains, probably stronger than it should.

Ravens_cry
2011-10-25, 03:38 PM
Red Rackhams Treasure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rackham%27s_Treasure) is at least the English language title.

Kane
2011-10-25, 03:39 PM
Red Rackhams Treasure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rackham%27s_Treasure) is at least the English language title.

Whoop. Had them confused; Secret of the Unicorn and Red Rackham's Treasure are the ones that seem to inherently be a pair.

Axolotl
2011-10-25, 03:53 PM
1. The Uncanny Valley Weirdness choice. Either go all animation, or (preferred!) normal actors. While I agree completely with this point I really have to say I'm confused by this:


2. Too much action. Tintin has always been rather slow paced. But I guess they had to "spice it up" for the "kids". Or something.Now maybe I'm not remembering them all that well since it's been along time since I read them but I can't imagine how the comics could be called slow paced. I remember them being full of action, I mean he fights gorillas and giant spiders, he dynamites a rhino, even when he went to the moon he still had fights. In Tintin in America alone he beats up a ton of goons (while being dressed in plate armour at one point), knocks out Al Capone, fights an Indian tribe and then becomes a cowboy with a revolver and everything.

As an aside while checking on google for this post I found a staggerting number of mock covers for Tintin-Lovecraft crossovers.

Maelstrom
2011-10-25, 04:11 PM
Well, that sucked...

Not the movie. But the fact that several hundred of us seated in the theater munching on popcorn ready for the lights to dim instead got a small speech about how the film did not arrive. "Please come back tomorrow".

Err, crap -- I have Rugby tomorrow night. So much for the Opening night release...

H Birchgrove
2011-10-25, 06:13 PM
Damn I'd be ticked off. :smallmad:

I guess it's a good thing it will come here the 28th, then. :smallsigh:

Starscream
2011-10-25, 09:47 PM
Just checked Rotten Tomatoes. Reviews are actually pretty dang good so far (91% positive). But I know that some critics, like Roger Ebert, don't publish their reviews until the movie actually hits general release, so we might not have a big enough sample yet to get a real consensus (23 reviews, 21 of them positive).

And it seems freaking everyone gets to see it before I do :smallannoyed:. Won't be released in the US until almost Christmas.

Avilan the Grey
2011-10-25, 10:42 PM
Now maybe I'm not remembering them all that well since it's been along time since I read them but I can't imagine how the comics could be called slow paced. I remember them being full of action, I mean he fights gorillas and giant spiders, he dynamites a rhino, even when he went to the moon he still had fights. In Tintin in America alone he beats up a ton of goons (while being dressed in plate armour at one point), knocks out Al Capone, fights an Indian tribe and then becomes a cowboy with a revolver and everything.

It is still slow-paced compared to most Hollywood movies. Part of it might be the art style though; Hegre's art style is very stiff, so even when there are fights they come off as slow-paced.

Ravens_cry
2011-10-25, 10:48 PM
And even then, it doesn't generally involve big explosions unless justified as part of the plot, for example the one where the petrol was exploding spontaneously.

Eldan
2011-10-26, 02:35 AM
It might not look very action-packed compared what we are used to, sure. But remember, it was published from the thirties to the seventies. Compare it to movies from that time. Additionally, Hergé was a research geek. His cars don't just blow up like they do in Hollywood movies.

Some books are packed full of shoot-outs and car, motorcycle, boat, elephant, submarine and airplane chases.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-26, 09:02 PM
And even then, it doesn't generally involve big explosions unless justified as part of the plot, for example the one where the petrol was exploding spontaneously.

Land of Black Gold.

Lateral
2011-10-26, 09:16 PM
Huh. I just noticed that Professor Calculus isn't in the cast listing. :smallconfused:

I'm aware that he only appeared in Red Rackham's Treasure, but you'd think that they'd at least involve him somehow.

...Although now that I think about it, it might be the best choice- otherwise, they'd have to either work him in to the parts dealing with the plot of the first two books and risk having him feel forced or pissing off the crowd who're seeing the movie because of the comics, or not have him until later and confuse the audience by introducing an important character late in the movie.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-26, 09:31 PM
No Calculus/Tournesol? Heretics, I say! :smallfurious:

I wonder about the Bird brothers, mostly. They were far more menacing than Ivan Ivanovitch Sakharine in the book. But it's Sakharine we see in the trailer. :smallconfused:

And Sakharine is supposed to be related to Rackham the Red? Lolwut?

Eldan
2011-10-27, 03:51 AM
I've read the first two reviews, they were pretty mixed. One gave it 2/5 stars, the other 3.5/5.

Short version of both basically was: far more action-heavy than the books, and didn't have the same feeling to it. Characters felt different, especially Tintin himself (one of the reviewers called him an insufferable smart ass).

Also, from one reviewer: "Who exactly do they expect to go see this movie? The older generation will have a lot of nostalgia for the comics and be turned off by the changes. The younger generation will barely know it and expect something even more action heavy, as they are used to."

Maelstrom
2011-10-27, 12:55 PM
From what my family told me, TinTin is actually fairly well done. It's Haddock that's been nerfed.

Many scenes skipped from the three comics and too much unneeded "action" added was a definite downside (even from my 9 year old)...they gave it between 2.5 and 3 stars. All agreed the animation was rather well done, though.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-27, 05:13 PM
Will go see it tomorrow later today, with or without buddies.

Bouregard
2011-10-28, 11:04 AM
Looks more like Uncharted to me then Tintin... however I do like the animation style its rather new and refreshing. Must keep in mind its a trailer... they will try to get as much as humanly possible into a cinema so they will of course stick to the action scenes. We'll see when it's out. I will buy it as a dvd or blue ray depending on the reviews...

H Birchgrove
2011-10-29, 02:46 PM
Will go see it tomorrow (Sunday) with friend(s). The one I know will follow haven't read the books, and the second guy who I think will join haven't either, but it would be great if a third guy I know will join in, who I know have read at least some of the books. He has a great sense of humour, so if it sucks, he'll help me enjoy tearing it up afterwards. :smalltongue:

Chainsaw Hobbit
2011-10-29, 06:39 PM
This movie is going to be so cool!

Weimann
2011-10-30, 04:00 PM
I have no experience with the English translations but the Swedish translations were extremely high quality, just as for the other comics I listed above. The did and AMAZING job.Really? I have heard that the traditional Swedish translations were actually pretty distant from the source material. In fact, there's been a re-release of Tintin albums using an all-new translation, but I've not read any of them.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-30, 04:02 PM
Edit: Dammit, I had a good post and now I have to re-write half of it again! Aaaaarrrgh! How on Earth am I going to remember all of that!? Well now I ain't going to have both English and French versions of certain names. :smallmad:

I've seen it. Unfortunately only one of my buddies could join me - I can tell you he liked it quite a lot. Now, I have to warn you, that in order to review this film I need to spoil you more or less, but the greatest spoils will be under, er, the spoilers quote.

The animation (or whatever you call it) or motion capture:
Worked fine. 3D (that was the version we saw) worked fine. There was very little of the eerily valley effect; mostly when Dupont et Dupond/Thomson and Thompson were on scene. Sadly, Mme Bianca Castafiore looked like a (pretty good) drag queen rather than a mature yet elegant lady.

The characters:
The hero - Tintin - and the other good guys - Milou/Snowy, Thomson and Thompson, and Haddock were great. There is really nothing I can complain about the characterizations with even me thinking I'm nit-picky (and I sure was nit-picky while watching the film, comparing it with the books though not so much that it disturbed the enjoyment of it, IMO). Maybe Tintin lacked some of the idealism one can see in the books, but then again this isn't based on the more political "relevant" books like The Blue Lotus or The Broken Ear; you can however note his genuine curiosity and bravery. The film depict Tintin as The Ace, and makes it work gloriously.

Spoiler on Tintin (the parts from The Crab with the Golden Claws):
When Tintin shot the amphibious aircraft - with one single bullet - in the book, it was made more or less clear that Tintin was extraordinarily lucky with that shot. In the film, Tintin shoots down the aircraft after taking *careful* aim, making it clear that Tintin is just that good awesome. James frakking Bond would let his jaw drop seeing that.

If you are afraid that Haddock's alcoholism will be downplayed, don't be. I'd even say it's...
... taken to eleven and Beyond the Impossible. That he often needs a drink to function is - sadly - believable, but the part when he re-starts the aircraft engine by blowing his breath into the nearly empty fuel tank is outrageous (old chum!). We're also given a reasonably good explanation as to why Haddock has started to drink; his failure to live up to the expectations of his glorious forefather Chevalier François de Hadoque/Sir Francis Haddock.

Cuthbert Calculus isn't in the film, but I think you shouldn't feel too sad about it. The relevant parts from Red Rackham's Treasure was simply not in it, but I think and hope they will be in the sequel.

The villains were the greatest drawback of the film. Sakharine was not a good substitute for the Bird brothers and Allan Thompson was less independent and manipulative than in the books.

Sakharine spoiler:
Thank you Mozilla for destroying one of the best parts of my review. :smallmad:

I hate that Sakharine was made into Red Rackham's descendant who wanted revenge on Haddock, that was even more stupid than making Jack Napier/The Joker the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, and then making Batman kill The Joker in Tim Burton's Batman. Stupid Hollywood for wanting things symmetrical and cyclical.
The Hergé cameo is great. :smallcool:

The plot and story:
If you can, forget the original books while watching, you'll save a lot of headache (and possibly butt-hurt). Lots have changed, especially the chronology of events. In general, I dislike that the non-stop action removed the mystery element of the books; it was there, but Tintin solved clues too easily and there were no moment for the viewers to reflect on it IMO. Things that annoyed me especially:
The anachronisms:
1. the tank, which scene was taken from The Calculus Affair and had no effect on the plot whatsoever, and it looked way too modern for the implied time period, like a M1 Abrams or similar in the same generation.

2. the Jeep and the bazooka, that were seen in the trailer.

3. the dam, my gods why was there a dam, this story doesn't take place in Egypt. If there were any large dams in Morocco in the 1940's, please correct me.
On a more positive note, the part of the trailer with the ship in the desert will make sense when watching the movie. :smallsmile:

I may have missed stuff from the previous version of the post :smallmad:, but this will do for now. If I re-call something I'll make a separate post. I'll end by saying that I recommend both die hard Tintin/Hergé fans (at least it will be *interesting*) as well as people who haven't read the comics but like adventure fiction. :smallsmile:

Athaniar
2011-10-30, 05:01 PM
Just returned from watching this film.

It was awesome! I'm a fan of the original books, and I loved it! Very much in the spirit of the comics, not a boring minute, not at all uncanny valley (but rather amazing) animation, great character protrayals, and lots and lots of references to the originals. I recommend it to any Tintin fan (except maybe the ultra-purists who can't stand the mixing of stories), and any fan of the adventure genre for that matter.

H Birchgrove
2011-10-30, 05:11 PM
I hate you Firefox. Stop eating my posts, dammit! :smallfurious:

Aidan305
2011-11-04, 04:26 PM
Just got back from seeing it. One the whole, I enjoyed it immensely, with occasional little inserts referencing other adventures often getting a chuckle from me. While I agree that it was fairly action-packed, all/most of it was in a context that made sense and the scenes themselves were very well constructed.