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NeoSeraphi
2011-12-02, 01:39 AM
I'm tired, so if in my initial glance at this section I missed a similar thread, I'm sorry, and would appreciate a link. But for now I assume there isn't one, because I didn't see it.


So who are your favorite characters? (We all know that you have more than one :smallbiggrin:) Favorite lines from the strip?

I really like Tarquin, and especially like his Who do you consider a "somebody" (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0762.html) line.

I think the reason I like Tarquin can simply be described as "It's Tarquin" and readers will understand what I mean, but I'll give it a shot:

He's everything Elan is, but competent and evil. His nonchalance about his evil and his flagrant shoving of it in everyone's faces with impunity is just so...awesome.

Other than Tarquin, my favorite characters are Belkar (stabbing people is funny), Elan (Roy has boobies!) and the Oracle. Seriously wish the Oracle had more screentime, s/he's just that hilarious.

I'm eager to see what everyone else likes though.

Adanedhel
2011-12-02, 12:35 PM
my favorite characters are Vaarsuvius and Redcloak, neither particulary heroic, but they got things going for them;

Vaarsuvius arrogance, coupled with his sarcasm, and yet. He cares for others, even though he doesn't really know how to show that to others, and goes to great lenghts for them. And he will in the end sacrifice that he loves for himself, for the greater good (the dessert scene with the divorce papers)

Redcloak is a more tragic villain, one of the few times I find myself rooting for the villain to achieve his goal (if he gets redeemed in the proces, all the better to me :) ). I mean, why wouldn't goblinoids be treated as equals? Kobolds and Orcs seem fair game, what's wrong with goblins then? It's just his methods are slightly (a lot actually) off.

As for favorite line: As the size of an explosion increases, the number of situations it is incapable to resolve approaches zero {whisper whisper} and that would be wrong

Peelee
2011-12-02, 01:10 PM
Man, I was about to start a favorite character thread. You done beat me to it. I'm really intrigued as to WHY the character is a favorite, as well.

Also, O-Chul, by far. He's the embodiment of all that is good and right in the OotS world. He is an incorruptible, infallible force of nature, largely due to his unbelievable strength of will. He has the wisdom to recognize what must be done, and the strength and will to follow through, regardless of what it is. I'm really intrigued to see how he'll function later on in the story, now that he is free to do much more than simply endure Xykon's torture, waiting for the opportunity to hurt him. O-Chul has also a huge amount to aid in the fight, with his listing nearly all of Xykon's spells and educated guesses as to his feats, as well as getting the phylactery lost and shaking Xykon to his core...more than any of the PCs or other major characters have been able to do, and he was locked up at the time! Also, his growing relationship with the MitD really added a lot more character development than I really expected for as short a stint as he appeared

NeoSeraphi
2011-12-02, 01:47 PM
Wow, you guys put forth some very well-presented reasons. I'm impressed! Peelee, in particular, you gave me a lot to think about when it came to O-Chul.

I guess I'll explain a bit more about why I like Elan then. Elan is, in my opinion, one of the two characters in the OotS team to receive the absolute most character development (Haley being the other). Varsuuvius and Roy have both had a lot of development, and Belkar faked it, but Elan's really trumps everything.

For starters, he has learned the value of a life, and of being prepared, thanks to Therkla's death. He has changed from being a goofy sidekick to a respectable fighter with something to protect (Haley). And at the same time, thanks to his Dashing Swordsman prestige class, Elan has kept his hilarious comic relief position while still gaining a very respectful place in the party's melee line.

Ever since Elan met Tarquin, he has had plenty of scenes where the inherent Good and hero inside him has shown through. And even then, he STILL is the Elan we knew and loved from the beginning at heart ("Celestial Tree Sloth, attack!")

Elan is simultaneously amusing and heroic, and of course all the bardic trope speak is good for a 4th-wall smashing laugh.

Deepbluediver
2011-12-02, 02:11 PM
I really like Tarquin, and especially like his Who do you consider a "somebody" (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0762.html) line.


At this point, who DOESN'T like Tarquin? The men want to be him, the women want to be WITH him, the lizard folk....ok, I have no idea where to go with that...:smallconfused:


I was thinking that Lord Shojo was kinda like Tarquin's goodly counterpart, but he got his kingdom via inheritance, instead of having to forge it himself with blood, sweat, blood, magic firebolts, blood, and sheer force of will....and blood.
Plus, like Haley pointed out, how hard is it to fool a group of paladins.

I think that my favorite character at the moment is some one we haven't seen in quite a while: Lord Hinjo! (Shojo's nephew, in case you forgot, it HAS been a while) :smalltongue:
He's been cast into the role of leader of a people-in-exile, is keeping the nobles under control and the people from breaking out into rebellion, while organizing elvish raiders to fight for Azure city. All this with with literally the most restrictive alignment and class features in all of Core, while managing to NOT go insane or become Miyo Mihazaki.

He doesn't get quite as many snarky one-liners as other characters, but I can think of no one else in the comic who even comes close to matching his loyalty, dedication, and most importantly, competence.



Re: character development

and Belkar faked it,
I think the point of some of the more recent strips was that the longer Belkar pretends to have character development, the more it starts to become an integral part of his character (using that in both senses of the word). That could just be my interpretation though.

NeoSeraphi
2011-12-02, 02:15 PM
He doesn't get quite as many snarky one-liners as other characters, but I can think of no one else in the comic who even comes close to matching his loyalty, dedication, and most importantly, competence.



So what about O-Chul? Do you think that Hinjo is more loyal, dedicated, and competent than O-Chul, or do you like O-Chul for the same reasons you like Hinjo, just not as much?

Deepbluediver
2011-12-02, 02:32 PM
So what about O-Chul? Do you think that Hinjo is more loyal, dedicated, and competent than O-Chul, or do you like O-Chul for the same reasons you like Hinjo, just not as much?

O-Chul is a great paladin, obviously a competent warrior, and so tough he makes nails seem soft, but Hinjo is all that plus a bag of chips...whoops, I meant "leader of a cities-worth of people".

My whole point is, being the effective monarch isn't an easy task; Tarquin has shown that and he's dedicated mostly to evil. Hinjo may not have as much adventuring credit, but he's doing everything he can to help the OotS, while still caring for thousands of people. Yeah saving the world is a big deal, but you can't let everthing else go to hell while you stop the Big Bad.
Hinjo COULD probably do everything the OotS is working to accomplish (adventuring wise, I don't mean pick locks) but how many of them could rule his city? And work out diplomacy with all the other nations? And adhere to a paladins code of honor?

Now, I'll admit we haven't seem him for a while, maybe he's mucking everything up royally, but until I hear otherwise, I'm assuming he's doing a fine job.

NeoSeraphi
2011-12-02, 02:35 PM
I admit that the Code of Conduct for a paladin, as well as attempting to rule over a nation by yourself when you have people scheming and sending teenage half-orc ninja girls after you is probably just as difficult as attempting to stop a lich sorcerer from taking over the world.

Hinjo is a fine character, and the fact that he has a dire wolf as a special mount adds to his style (certainly better than a heavy warhorse)

Bulldog Psion
2011-12-02, 02:37 PM
Sadly, I'm probably going to have to go with V. Fussy, pedantic, erudite, death-dealing, and yet not without the occasional flash of ironic humor. And, he's often rather concerned for other people, even though it isn't officially recognized in the comic.

My second favorite is probably Durkon, because he seems dependable, tough, but still manages to be a bit more compassionate than the others often seem.

Favorite quote -- that's a hard one, though it's probably a toss-up between the famous "Thog help Nale nail Not-Nale" speech, and some of V's lines:

"I believe I may owe the tables of the world an apology..."

Peelee
2011-12-02, 02:38 PM
So what about O-Chul? Do you think that Hinjo is more loyal, dedicated, and competent than O-Chul, or do you like O-Chul for the same reasons you like Hinjo, just not as much?

Lawful Good is represented well by several characters in this comic, and each has their own take on it. O-Chul is the warrior, willing to go through hell for his cause, but obedient to his superiors, whom he has full faith and trust in. Hinjo is the leader, who has to make hard decisions, and is subservient to his people, as true leaders should be. It's a very stark contrast between the two, despite their being the same alignment (and thus, easily being lumped in as being played the same, boring way by most people). Compare both of these to Durkon, for example, another Lawful Good character - but a PC this time - and you come out with another completely different take on the same virtues being espoused (loyalty, dedication, competency). I think that may be why he likes Hinjo so much (and if I'm speaking out of turn for you here, I apologize) - because he makes the choices that others can't, the same ones Shojo made, but without straying from his Paladinhood and turning into Shojo. He is still completely loyal to his people, and acting as a true leader, which is all too rare.

Deepbluediver
2011-12-02, 03:35 PM
I admit that the Code of Conduct for a paladin, as well as attempting to rule over a nation by yourself when you have people scheming and sending teenage half-orc ninja girls after you is probably just as difficult as attempting to stop a lich sorcerer from taking over the world.

Hinjo is a fine character, and the fact that he has a dire wolf as a special mount adds to his style (certainly better than a heavy warhorse)


I totally forgot about the wolf! A mount that awesome should require some obscure prestige glass, or at very least a feat :P

In your original post, you simply asked who our favorite characters are; my preference for one paladin over another does not invalidate your choic. I had actually not even thought about O-Chul before your post; for whatever reason he didn't stick in my mind as much as Hinjo. That probably says something about the kind of character we are both attracted to. (not that I have any idea what that might be)

One more thing about Hinjo; of all the paladins, he seems to be the most FRIENDLY, especially when he is not responsible for maintaining the dignity of his position.
My favorite fantasy novel (ever, of all time) makes it an important plot point that while many people might be strong warriors or good defenders of the faith, paladins are supposed to be leaders, showing others what is possible and inspiring hope and courage. Thats not exactly the D&D description, but its colored my perception of them ever since, and Hinjo seems to fit that model most closely. (and also why I get unusually defensive about lawful-good's reputation as an alignment; I loved the carp out of that entire arc)


Edit:
I think that may be why he likes Hinjo so much (and if I'm speaking out of turn for you here, I apologize) - because he makes the choices that others can't, the same ones Shojo made, but without straying from his Paladinhood and turning into Shojo. He is still completely loyal to his people, and acting as a true leader, which is all too rare.

Thats pretty much it, entirely. :smallbiggrin:

Diputs
2011-12-02, 04:15 PM
My favorite character is Miko. /flinch

Mostly for the fact that she's a well written, complicated character. She kind of showed that reasons for doing good or doing anything are more complicated than they are often made out to be. I loved the whole falling sequence, watching her numerous mistakes and flaws unravel around her only for her to concoct a greater lie to try to keep her sanity. And I'm surprisingly ok with the author's decision to keep her dead and leave her story unresolved.

A close second would be Redcloak. I think a few posts back someone said something about him wanting the right things and using the wrong means to get it. I kind of agree with that, but actually don't have much of a problem with his means, at least the idea of using the Snarl. The only thing I'd do differently is rethink my alliance with Xykon, because that seems like it will backfire spectacularly soon.

I also think the final scenes between O'Chul and MitD were very nice. It was interesting to see the character developement. I think my favorite line is "O'Chul!" after so many strips of "Mr. Stiffly".

Peelee
2011-12-02, 04:47 PM
I also think the final scenes between O'Chul and MitD were very nice. It was interesting to see the character developement. I think my favorite line is "O'Chul!" after so many strips of "Mr. Stiffly".

Diputs made me realize I never put in my favorite line. Funny enough, it's from the same strip (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0654.html) that his was, at that.

O-Chul: You may not know exactly what you are--but I do.
:mitd:: You do? Really? Then what am I?
O-Chul: A good man

A lot like Diputs says, it is heavy on the character developing. It kicks off the redemption for Darth V - if O-Chul hadn't gone to fight alongside him, V would likely have learned the wrong lesson from his hubris - it teases the shark in a way, having drama and poignancy slowly build up before being fully unleashed in the :mitd:'s "O-CHUL!" call, and it looks to me like it lays the start of the groundwork for a torn allegiance in the :mitd: later on. The friendship between the two seems like a hugely important plot piece that will have huge payoffs near the end of the story. Among other reasons.

Really, that is my favorite strip in the entire series to date, for those same reasons. It's a powerful good-bye between O-Chul and the :mitd:, with the tension constantly building you know Vaarsuvius will be getting reinforcements. It's the setup for the pure epicness that follows over the next 7 strips, and the start of O-Chul cashing in on his patience and endurance from being tortured for months, and not getting to strike back in vengeance or retribution, but to do real, lasting damage to Team Evil, to do everything he could to destroy Xykon or even do what he could to make it easier for others to take him down, his own life being immaterial to the larger goal at hand. It really hammers home why O-Chul is my favorite character, and the course of events between it and the escape make the :mitd: a very close second.

Sir Augusta
2011-12-02, 04:55 PM
Elan is my favorite character, but these are my favorite lines

Tarquin: "But you can't make an omlette without ruthlessly crushing a dozen eggs beneath your steel boot, and then publicly disembowling the chickens that laid them as a warning to others."

and

Vaarsuvius: "... My sanity demands that I not engage that statement."
Also, the explosion radius increasing: social situations solved quote, but someone already said that.

Peelee
2011-12-02, 05:03 PM
Elan is my favorite character

But why?!? Reasons! What makes him stick out to you more than anyone else? What about him appeals to you?

NeoSeraphi
2011-12-02, 05:29 PM
But why?!? Reasons! What makes him stick out to you more than anyone else? What about him appeals to you?

I would just like to say that this is probably the only time on the entire GitP forum that someone has asked "What makes Elan stick out?" :elan:

eulmanis12
2011-12-02, 05:42 PM
Gotta go with O-Chul, then Elan, then Belkar

O-Chul is honor incarnated. He goes to his death without question or hesitation, not once, not twice, but at least 4 times. He is willing and able to endure any hardship in order to protect what he believes is right. He lives through almost half a year of torture and retains his sanity. He adheres perfectly to the paladin code, but does not let it blind him to the world. He befriends the Monster in the Darkness despite the general paladin belife that monsters are evil, he attempts to lie to Redcloak in order to protect the people he cares about despite being lawful, because he understands that protecting them by any means, even acting against his own alignment, is his duty. O-Chul is the rock that weathers all storms and takes constant punishment but never gives its ground.

Elan, goofy, and not very bright. He still knows how to live his life. He constantly does whats right reguardless of the consequences, he doesn't understand consequences, only what's right. He is both a serious, well developed charecter, and a pile of comedy gold.

Belkar, What can I say but
:belkar: "I AM A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR!"

Dr.Epic
2011-12-02, 05:59 PM
I GOT A 4!

NeoSeraphi
2011-12-02, 06:16 PM
I GOT A 4!

No I got a 9 this time! See, the shoes add +5 to the check, so that makes it a 9!

Quackenbush
2011-12-02, 10:45 PM
Actually, i have to say my favorite character is MiTD. He's a villain, sure, but he's not evil. He only helps Xykon because he doesn't know any better. He' so powerful, but he's like a child. Also, I've enjoyed his developing bond with O-Chul. I think he has the potential to become a hero in a climactic scene where O-Chul appeals to his better nature while Xykon yells at him to obey. Maybe he and Redcloak can both turn on Xykon together.

I do like Belkar too, though. You can't argue with a sexy shoeless god of war.

My favorite line: Paladin: Remember, she has Belkar to protect her
Elan: Let me go! I need to save my Haley!
Belkar: I cannae let you do it, lad!

Howler Dagger
2011-12-02, 11:18 PM
:vaarsuvius::I may be in error, but I believe the appropriate proclamation is "sneak attack, bitch."

KoboldRevenge
2011-12-02, 11:57 PM
Brainy Pete: "*sigh* I shoulda listened to Appendix Steve when he tried to warn me." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0581.html)

Great quote.:smallbiggrin: But also Zz'dtri, Shklee is like V but Evil(er). Also I like how this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0802.html) shows shklim being able to say just the right thing to take away V's feeling of victory.

Agnostik
2011-12-31, 08:13 AM
Favorite party member: Durkon, lads.
Favorite bad guy: Redcloak.
Favorite secondary (tertiary?) character: Hank. :smallwink: You remember Hank, don't you?

martianmister
2011-12-31, 02:20 PM
Is this it? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0823.html)

Yes, it is...

NeoSeraphi
2011-12-31, 02:25 PM
Favorite party member: Durkon, lads.
Favorite bad guy: Redcloak.
Favorite secondary (tertiary?) character: Hank. :smallwink: You remember Hank, don't you?

What do you like most about Redcloak? (Please, no SoD spoilers unless they're in a spoiler tag, I haven't read it. :smallfrown:)

Kish
2011-12-31, 03:22 PM
What do you like most about Redcloak? (Please, no SoD spoilers unless they're in a spoiler tag, I haven't read it. :smallfrown:)
I doubt very much that it's possible for anyone who has read it to answer that question without referencing it.

Dr.Epic
2011-12-31, 03:38 PM
No I got a 9 this time! See, the shoes add +5 to the check, so that makes it a 9!

Then he obviously wasn't wearing them then was he? Or he rolled a 1 and added the 3 to that.

Agnostik
2011-12-31, 04:43 PM
What do you like most about Redcloak? (Please, no SoD spoilers unless they're in a spoiler tag, I haven't read it. :smallfrown:)I think I started to like Redcloak after strip 543 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0543.html). Something about him trying to actually get s**t together and DO something useful as opposed to Xykon just kicking back and relaxing.

Now that I think of it, it's the same thing I like about Durkon and Hank, they're both useful and dependable. Well, Durkon has his phobia of trees, but hey, nobody's perfect. Hank is just the coolest guy in the Thieves' Guild.
"... Legal pad." Priceless.

PallElendro
2011-12-31, 04:48 PM
Hinjo when he said: "You're obviously not aware of one of our class abilities, Summon Conscience.

AlexG
2011-12-31, 09:49 PM
My favorite character would have to be Xykon. I think Tarquin and Redcloak deserve an honorable mention though. He is 100% pure Evil with a capital E. He is funny. He is a bad-ass. He knows how to handle poweer. But most importantly, he knows that when he has a chance of losing, he will drop his shenanigans and go all out with no mercy at all. He is smart because he knows when he can joke around and win half-assed, and he knows when he actually needs to try.

My favorite lines would have to be his speech to Durokan in SOD. He basically proves that he isn't the dumbass that people see him as and that he actually knows his stuff pretty well.

Dr.Epic
2011-12-31, 11:14 PM
My favorite lines would have to be his speech to Durokan in SOD. He basically proves that he isn't the dumbass that people see him as and that he actually knows his stuff pretty well.

Oh I STRONGLY disagree with that. If a wizard has time to prepare their spell in advance and know what they will be fighting, they should win (assuming the threat isn't way above their current level). Dorukan had plenty of time to plan a great strategy and prepare spells to take out a lich. He knew Xykon was there for a long time. Not to mention he got the initial drop on Xykon. I don't even know how to describe the foolishness of Dorukan in that fight.

Deepbluediver
2012-01-01, 09:11 AM
Oh I STRONGLY disagree with that. If a wizard has time to prepare their spell in advance and know what they will be fighting, they should win (assuming the threat isn't way above their current level). Dorukan had plenty of time to plan a great strategy and prepare spells to take out a lich. He knew Xykon was there for a long time. Not to mention he got the initial drop on Xykon. I don't even know how to describe the foolishness of Dorukan in that fight.

Xykon has certainly proven that he's powerful, but I think what he's demonstrated more than book-smarts is a willingness to supress his own pride and ego when that's what it takes to win.
So many bad guys seem to need to PROVE that they are better, strong, smarter, than anyone else in every way; and it forms a crucial chink in their armor.
Xykon doesn't (usually) let his vanity get in the way of doing whatever he needs to win, which is why his personality is, IMO, just as much of his power as his spells are. That level of competency would be scary ins some one who WASN'T a nigh-unkillable lich with 10th level spell slots.

Quackenbush
2012-01-01, 10:16 AM
My favorite character is probably MitD. He's so powerful, yet so naive. I keep waiting for him to turn on Xykon, but he's so gullible he doesn't. I'm also partial to Belkar.

favorite line:

Empress: I am here! I am your ruler! Look at me! I am cool, but I am also very warm! Wooo!

Elan: She can fly???

Tarquin: Quite a stumper, isn't it.

V: I should avoid casting any spells tonight, if only to give the laws of physics time to cry alone in the corner

el-pietro
2012-01-01, 10:26 AM
Elan is my favorite character, but these are my favorite lines

Tarquin: "But you can't make an omlette without ruthlessly crushing a dozen eggs beneath your steel boot, and then publicly disembowling the chickens that laid them as a warning to others."

This along with the following are comedy gold

:Roy: Well we're Semi trained quasi professionals at any rate

V's familiar: I prefer to think of myself as a super-advanced flying stealth dinosaur

pasadenajones
2012-01-01, 06:20 PM
My favorite is Sabine, she always has something clueless, evil, and perverse (and thus funny) to say.

Nale "Besides, why turn this into a three-way struggle for Soons Gate when there are two perfectly good gates out there to be found..."

Sabine "...Oh sorry I kinda got distracted after you said the word three-way"

Dark Elf Bard
2012-01-01, 06:50 PM
My favorite character is Miko. /flinch

Mostly for the fact that she's a well written, complicated character. She kind of showed that reasons for doing good or doing anything are more complicated than they are often made out to be. I loved the whole falling sequence, watching her numerous mistakes and flaws unravel around her only for her to concoct a greater lie to try to keep her sanity. And I'm surprisingly ok with the author's decision to keep her dead and leave her story unresolved.

A close second would be Redcloak. I think a few posts back someone said something about him wanting the right things and using the wrong means to get it. I kind of agree with that, but actually don't have much of a problem with his means, at least the idea of using the Snarl. The only thing I'd do differently is rethink my alliance with Xykon, because that seems like it will backfire spectacularly soon.

I also think the final scenes between O'Chul and MitD were very nice. It was interesting to see the character developement. I think my favorite line is "O'Chul!" after so many strips of "Mr. Stiffly".

Jaros
2012-01-01, 06:53 PM
My favorite character is Miko. /flinch

Mostly for the fact that she's a well written, complicated character. She kind of showed that reasons for doing good or doing anything are more complicated than they are often made out to be. I loved the whole falling sequence, watching her numerous mistakes and flaws unravel around her only for her to concoct a greater lie to try to keep her sanity. And I'm surprisingly ok with the author's decision to keep her dead and leave her story unresolved.

A close second would be Redcloak. I think a few posts back someone said something about him wanting the right things and using the wrong means to get it. I kind of agree with that, but actually don't have much of a problem with his means, at least the idea of using the Snarl. The only thing I'd do differently is rethink my alliance with Xykon, because that seems like it will backfire spectacularly soon.

I also think the final scenes between O'Chul and MitD were very nice. It was interesting to see the character developement. I think my favorite line is "O'Chul!" after so many strips of "Mr. Stiffly".


My favorite character is Miko. /flinch

Mostly for the fact that she's a well written, complicated character. She kind of showed that reasons for doing good or doing anything are more complicated than they are often made out to be. I loved the whole falling sequence, watching her numerous mistakes and flaws unravel around her only for her to concoct a greater lie to try to keep her sanity. And I'm surprisingly ok with the author's decision to keep her dead and leave her story unresolved.

A close second would be Redcloak. I think a few posts back someone said something about him wanting the right things and using the wrong means to get it. I kind of agree with that, but actually don't have much of a problem with his means, at least the idea of using the Snarl. The only thing I'd do differently is rethink my alliance with Xykon, because that seems like it will backfire spectacularly soon.

I also think the final scenes between O'Chul and MitD were very nice. It was interesting to see the character developement. I think my favorite line is "O'Chul!" after so many strips of "Mr. Stiffly".

But... I... whuh? :smallconfused:

On topic: I agree, Miko was one of my favourites.

Quintaton16
2012-01-01, 09:05 PM
"The correct term is 'Smite Evil,' not 'Bump Uglies.'' -:miko:

Gift Jeraff
2012-01-01, 09:13 PM
:thog: not nale, not-nale. thog help nail not-nale, not nale. and thog knot not-nale while nale nail not-nale. nale, not not-nale, now nail not-nale by leaving not-nale, not nale, in jail.

:xykon: So, Uncle Xykon, what's the moral of the story? A big pile of spells isn't enough when the other guy has a big pile of spells AND the strength to crush your windpipe with his bare phlanges. And they died happily ever after. The End.

EpilepticWombat
2012-01-02, 01:32 AM
Oh god I have so many.

Elan from the very start because he is such an adorable sweetheart, and he says the dumbest things in the best ways. And then when he turns around and acts competent or intelligent or mature in some capacity, it's that much more impressive. There's also just the fact that characters who are just pure, innocent good appeal to me. Morally grey is fun, but outright, plainly good is os refreshing!

Xykon because he is a pretty original villain, I would say. The genre-savvy evil overlord has been done. The tragic means-to-an-end villain has been done. The petty narcissistic 'genius' has been done. But Xykon is something very distinct in some ways. He has an affable, casual style of evil coupled with immaturity, and that makes his moments of legitimate anger and competency that much more scary.

O-Chul, because I usually give less than a damn about his archetype--but somehow he's pulled off in a way that instills such admiration, I can't help but respect that.

Monster in the Darkness, because you can just tell the poor dear is trying so hard to break free, but he just can't. But you know he will eventually. I expect something really great from that guy.

Redcloak, because I recently finished Start of Darkness, and while I'd always roughly known the plot points, and didn't find anything that great about it...there was just something in the execution. Which is saying a lot for a stick-figure webcomic. Let's just say I have a thing about characters with ideals who try so hard to achieve them but end up just totally ruining everything for themselves okay. sob.

Miko, because she was just so nuts, so well-written and complicated. There is an appeal in seeing someone unravel before your eyes, practically seeing their convoluted thought processes try to justify themselves. I wanted her to get better. To get less crazy. So I was basically rooting for her. But of course, that didn't happen. And her death page was just heartbreaking.

Ulysses WkAmil
2012-01-02, 02:27 PM
Tarquin and Redcloak. Tarquin because of his "any way I win" strategy, and his nonchalant attitiude to being a badass. He got me with the "Can't make an Omlet" joke. Redcloak because of his dedication, the way he told Miko off, how powerful he is, and when he used non-classic elementals.
Also, V and ver "Explosive Rune" trick makes ver a close third

Dr.Epic
2012-01-02, 02:37 PM
Xykon has certainly proven that he's powerful, but I think what he's demonstrated more than book-smarts is a willingness to supress his own pride and ego when that's what it takes to win.
So many bad guys seem to need to PROVE that they are better, strong, smarter, than anyone else in every way; and it forms a crucial chink in their armor.
Xykon doesn't (usually) let his vanity get in the way of doing whatever he needs to win, which is why his personality is, IMO, just as much of his power as his spells are. That level of competency would be scary ins some one who WASN'T a nigh-unkillable lich with 10th level spell slots.

And...?:smallconfused:

Even if Xykon is this cunning, great caster that doesn't let vanity or his ego stop him from winning, I still say this was a horrible display of wizardry. And when I say wizardry I mean magic and actions from a wizard. Dorukan was scrying on Team Evil for I believe weeks. Considering he had nothing else to plan for, his arrangement of prepared spells each day should have been a carefully selected list of spells to defeat a lich. As for level, it's unclear how powerful Dorukan was, but he helped build a Gate so I'm guessing he's epic. The two were probably close enough in levels (not including the lich template) that they were basically an even match. Not to mention he got the initial drop on Xykon. First spell flung in that fight was Dorukan hitting Xykon off guard with a spell. Dorukan was just a horrible example of a wizard in this fight.

Gift Jeraff
2012-01-02, 02:37 PM
Telling off Miko was actually a big moment of fail for Redcloak, in light of SoD.Since he's even more unnatural than a paladin.

Deepbluediver
2012-01-03, 12:40 PM
And...?:smallconfused:

Even if Xykon is this cunning, great caster that doesn't let vanity or his ego stop him from winning, I still say this was a horrible display of wizardry. And when I say wizardry I mean magic and actions from a wizard. Dorukan was scrying on Team Evil for I believe weeks. Considering he had nothing else to plan for, his arrangement of prepared spells each day should have been a carefully selected list of spells to defeat a lich. As for level, it's unclear how powerful Dorukan was, but he helped build a Gate so I'm guessing he's epic. The two were probably close enough in levels (not including the lich template) that they were basically an even match. Not to mention he got the initial drop on Xykon. First spell flung in that fight was Dorukan hitting Xykon off guard with a spell. Dorukan was just a horrible example of a wizard in this fight.

I wasn't disagreeing with you about Durokan. Just coming out of his tower to fight Xykon one-on-one was itself a huge mistake: an even match is still a 50-50 shot at losing. Since Xykon couldn't easily get in, Durokan should have waited him out (or at least waited out the goblins, who DO need to eat, etc; and would have at least tried to aid Xykon) or summoned in allies. Wasn't it a plot point that that summoning something INTO a Cloistered area was the only major exception? Even if he didn't want to trust the other members of his former group, it's not exactly like the world is devoid of adventurers.

In Durokan's defense; we don't know what his specialization or banned schools where, and he might not have had access to the best lich-fighting spells (if such things exist). As I recall, Xykon was also threatening Durokan's lover; perhaps this flung him into a rage and he wasn't fully prepared for combat, yet. I don't have SoD with me atm to check.

My point was just that Xykon seems to be more of a Charisma/Wisdom type caster rather than the Charisma/Intellect variety.

Peelee
2012-01-03, 05:14 PM
And...?:smallconfused:

Even if Xykon is this cunning, great caster that doesn't let vanity or his ego stop him from winning, I still say this was a horrible display of wizardry. And when I say wizardry I mean magic and actions from a wizard. Dorukan was scrying on Team Evil for I believe weeks. Considering he had nothing else to plan for, his arrangement of prepared spells each day should have been a carefully selected list of spells to defeat a lich. As for level, it's unclear how powerful Dorukan was, but he helped build a Gate so I'm guessing he's epic. The two were probably close enough in levels (not including the lich template) that they were basically an even match. Not to mention he got the initial drop on Xykon. First spell flung in that fight was Dorukan hitting Xykon off guard with a spell. Dorukan was just a horrible example of a wizard in this fight.

...wait, what? The entire reason a sorcerer has fewer spells than a wizard is because the sorcerer doesn't need to prepare spells, and can fling whatever he knows around on a whim. As Xykon demonstrated, that is a hugely better ability than having to plan and prepare spells, because if you didn't prepare the right one, or if your plan goes astray even a little, you could be screwed. Sure, he should have prepped himself to take out a lich, if he could. Except we don;t know his spell list. For all we know, all of his offensive spells were lightning- and fire-based (highly unlikely, but possible. I don't have SoD on me, and can't remember what all he threw around). And even if he did, against another wizard, whoever prepared better would likely win, but wizard on sorcerer, it can be anyone's game. Sorcs are much more adaptable.

Scrynor
2012-01-03, 06:59 PM
Belkar: "Dibs on the amulet"
That was the line that first fully committed me to this strip. Belkar has always been such a reflection of real world DnD experience for me because there is always that one player who either has to be evil or ignores his good alignment and acts evil and you always have to dance around how that guy is in the party. I could do a lot of favorite quotes for Belkar but that's the first one so it's the main one (and "beat them with two scrolls at once" - couldn't resist...).

The O-Chul/Monster in the darkness goodbye is by far the best story-telling moment in this whole comic in my mind. The setup and pay-off are virtually undeniable. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a single reader who didn't enjoy that moment and that kind of "pleasing everyone" appeal is almost impossible to pull off.

Tarquin is amazing. Creating a villain who metagames thereby potentially robbing players of a satisfying victory is such sweet justice considering how much players metagame. And it's done in-story no less. Superb.