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ex cathedra
2011-12-03, 01:28 PM
Metal Thread
VI
We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers



Welcome to the sixth iteration of the GitP metal thread, created nearly a year after the beginning of the fifth thread.

Recent topics of discussion: copious amounts of incredibly bleak nothing.

Complementary music suggestions:
I Will Lay Down My Bones Among the Rocks and Roots. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZPpsZt1hrw)
Our Fortress is Burning... II: Bloodbirds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1aJPEFtoNg)

Previous Threads:
Metal Thread II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112038)
Metal Thread III (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132921)
Metal Thread IV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150811)
Metal Thread V (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181577)

grimbold
2011-12-03, 01:36 PM
oh my

new thread
YAY

grimbold
2011-12-03, 04:55 PM
i just discovered a sick unsigned band called Hhogwash (https://www.facebook.com/hhogwash)

Nameless
2011-12-03, 06:55 PM
Hurray, my thread title was used.
And seeing as it's Black Metal themed, let's have some trve kvlt forstbitten grim Black Metal from the furthest reaches of... umm... Australia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA-TLekogvk&feature=related).

Seriously, anything which involves Tim Yatras is awesome. It's just a fact of life.

Kindablue
2011-12-03, 08:52 PM
There is no word for how badly I want a Michael Amott Signature Tyrant (http://www.deanguitars.com/michaelamott_tyrant_series.php) (the third one down with the blood splatter finish).

This belongs here because it's such a METAL GUITAR \m/\m/

Very classy. :smallbiggrin:

Marillion
2011-12-04, 12:00 AM
I was a bit confused by the middle bit of Song of Myself. It sounds exactly like the start of Anathema's Temporary Peace, off A Fine Day to Exit. Same tone, same voice. Hell, same accent, even. Bit strange, to say the least.

You managed to set me on an Anathema kick. Not that there's anything wrong with that; Judgment is easily on my top 10 list of albums. It's just that I kind of liked being happy :smalltongue:

zeratul
2011-12-04, 12:46 PM
There is no word for how badly I want a Michael Amott Signature Tyrant (http://www.deanguitars.com/michaelamott_tyrant_series.php) (the third one down with the blood splatter finish).

This belongs here because it's such a METAL GUITAR \m/\m/

I have to say that while I don't necisarilly dislike his Dean signatures, I think it's really too bad he didn't stick with ESP. This (http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/47273_l.jpg)guitar just seems so much better designed than the Dean ones despite being around the same price

Moff Chumley
2011-12-04, 01:02 PM
I still think Dylan Carlson's Tele's pretty metal. How much bawlls does it take to walk onto a stage, plug in, and start playing drone doom with one of these (http://www.rainbowguitars.com/imagesproduct/FE/FE0303027550-xl.jpg)?

WhamBamSam
2011-12-04, 04:11 PM
There is no word for how badly I want a Michael Amott Signature Tyrant (http://www.deanguitars.com/michaelamott_tyrant_series.php) (the third one down with the blood splatter finish).

This belongs here because it's such a METAL GUITAR \m/\m/While I'm not an authority on the subject by any stretch of the imagination, I can't help but think of my little brother's joke that Deans are only good for smashing at the end of shows. It is nice looking to my untrained eye though.

Moff Chumley
2011-12-04, 07:14 PM
I dunno, as far as shape I don't really see it as drastically different from the Tyrant. Plus, no splatter finish = not as metal. >.>

Looking pretty and being cheap are Dean's two sole selling points, so :smalltongue:

zeratul
2011-12-05, 12:29 AM
I still think Dylan Carlson's Tele's pretty metal. How much bawlls does it take to walk onto a stage, plug in, and start playing drone doom with one of these (http://www.rainbowguitars.com/imagesproduct/FE/FE0303027550-xl.jpg)?

Heh, I had a similar thought when I saw Jari rocking out on a teli in Wintersun's "beyond the dark sun music video". I think it may officially mean that they are the first hipsters of their respective genres.

Feytalist
2011-12-05, 02:49 AM
You managed to set me on an Anathema kick. Not that there's anything wrong with that; Judgment is easily on my top 10 list of albums. It's just that I kind of liked being happy :smalltongue:

Heh. I'm with you there. But I've got so much downer music I tend not to even notice Anathema these days. Which is a shame.

Also, I think I meant the end of Temporary Peace. And on relistening, it's actually not exactly the same. But it's darn similar.

grimbold
2011-12-05, 02:45 PM
oh just wanted to check with you guys

what is the most metal color of the Rhand Rhoads FlyingV? (http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/JacksonRR1Big.jpg)

Feytalist
2011-12-06, 03:41 AM
Dimmu Borgir's guitarist has this custom V the colour of dried blood. It's a pleasing colour for me, for some reason.

grimbold
2011-12-06, 04:35 AM
Dimmu Borgir's guitarist has this custom V the colour of dried blood. It's a pleasing colour for me, for some reason.

i will look into that

Feytalist
2011-12-09, 04:45 AM
Huh. So I just found out about Morten Veland's side project, Mortemia. One release so far. I'd never known about it. Reviews seem good, I'm going to check it out. Anyone else know of it?

One reviewer made me chuckle. "Why aren't you as good as Moonspell?". Indeed.

grimbold
2011-12-09, 03:35 PM
morternia is pretty sweet and rather kvlt

Blackspell (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Blackspell/127403630697837) I just discovered this band from a place where metal is illegal
SO KVVVVVLT

Feytalist
2011-12-13, 02:15 AM
Eh, it's essentially Sirenia without the poppy-girl vocals. Not that that isn't awesome. Cause it totally is.

Is it too early to start listing our favourite albums of the year?

Killer Angel
2011-12-13, 02:48 AM
Is it too early to start listing our favourite albums of the year?

Actually, I'm in love with Surtur Rising, but I don't know if it's really my best of the year.

grimbold
2011-12-13, 01:28 PM
Is it too early to start listing our favourite albums of the year?

i think its fine so i'll start

Back through time-Alestorm

this album is melodic and also the best thing ever and PIRATES

also
new metallica EP out today of outtakes from Death Magnetic

I find some of the songs to be too long and lacking direction

thoughts everybody?
(theres a review on my blog if you're interested)

WhamBamSam
2011-12-13, 05:22 PM
Is it too early to start listing our favourite albums of the year?As of right now, Iconoclast - Symphony X followed closely by Dystopia - Iced Earth, but some sources have suggested that the second Control Denied album will finally be released on the 27th, so that could potentially still snag the top spot.

Comrade
2011-12-13, 08:19 PM
Today, I'll be listening for the most part purely to Death. Because, as I'm sure you all know :v, December 13, 2011 is the tenth anniversary of Chuck Schuldiner's death. The man was very inspirational to me, as a guitarist, as a lyricist, and as a person (as you can tell, because some of his lyrics are in my sig). Not much more I can say here. Today I am paying my respects to one of the greatest metal musicians of all time; hopefully everyone else here sees fit to do so as well, in their own way and however they like. You may not be a fan of Schuldiner's music with Death, but his...well, death, robbed the world of a brilliant metal musician, a powerful personality, and a great human being.

Feytalist
2011-12-14, 02:38 AM
Let's see. Mine are:

Falkenbach - Tiurida. Been waiting like 6 years for this bastard and it didn't disappoint. It really has everything I ever wanted from Falkenbach. Some people might say it's repetitive, or derivative, but honestly I don't care. It's just too good.

Iced Earth - Dystopia. Pleasant surprise of the year. I didn't expect it to be good, but it really was. I almost won't miss Matt Barlow.

Midnattsol - Metamorphosis Melody. Mostly because it's so much better than their previous album. And I can't help it, but I really like this kind of music, heh.

Moonsorrow - Varjoina kuljemme kuolleiden maassa (I had to look it up to type that colossus of a title). At first I didn't like this one, but mostly I think that was because their previous albums were just so good. After a few replays though, I really like this one. In fact, I really like everything Moonsorrow does.

Killer Angel
2011-12-14, 03:23 AM
Today, I'll be listening for the most part purely to Death. Because, as I'm sure you all know :v, December 13, 2011 is the tenth anniversary of Chuck Schuldiner's death. The man was very inspirational to me, as a guitarist, as a lyricist, and as a person (as you can tell, because some of his lyrics are in my sig). Not much more I can say here. Today I am paying my respects to one of the greatest metal musicians of all time; hopefully everyone else here sees fit to do so as well, in their own way and however they like. You may not be a fan of Schuldiner's music with Death, but his...well, death, robbed the world of a brilliant metal musician, a powerful personality, and a great human being.

And here I am, thinking I was alone in my "Death full immersion"... glad I was wrong. :smallsmile:

grimbold
2011-12-14, 04:49 AM
Let's see. Mine are:



Midnattsol - Metamorphosis Melody. Mostly because it's so much better than their previous album. And I can't help it, but I really like this kind of music, heh.



this album is all kinds of awesome

on the Chuck Schuidiner thing here (http://www.guitarworld.com/chuck_schuldine_lust_for_life) is the guitar world obituary

Krazzman
2011-12-14, 06:36 AM
Favourite Albums 2011?

For me there was:
Disturbed - Asylum
Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_%28band%29) - Day of Reconning
Sepultura - Kairos

Best gigs 2011 in no special order:
at Wacken:
Kreator
Skindred
Blind Guardian
Knorkator
Sepultura
Onslaught

There might be more, but I am currently at work.

shiram
2011-12-14, 10:10 AM
Today, I'll be listening for the most part purely to Death. Because, as I'm sure you all know :v, December 13, 2011 is the tenth anniversary of Chuck Schuldiner's death. The man was very inspirational to me, as a guitarist, as a lyricist, and as a person (as you can tell, because some of his lyrics are in my sig). Not much more I can say here. Today I am paying my respects to one of the greatest metal musicians of all time; hopefully everyone else here sees fit to do so as well, in their own way and however they like. You may not be a fan of Schuldiner's music with Death, but his...well, death, robbed the world of a brilliant metal musician, a powerful personality, and a great human being.

I'll just leave this here then, the mighty Gene doing his thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nb1BZ5-D_v0

Velaryon
2011-12-14, 02:38 PM
What's this I hear about a second Control Denied album? I am not a fan of Death, but Control Denied was awesome. I'm sad I didn't discover them until after Chuck Schuldiner's death, but I've enjoyed The Fragile Art of Existence for a long time. If there's more on the way, is it unfinished material from back before he died, or did the other band members decide to find somebody else and continue on?

Kindablue
2011-12-14, 02:49 PM
What's this I hear about a second Control Denied album? I am not a fan of Death, but Control Denied was awesome. I'm sad I didn't discover them until after Chuck Schuldiner's death, but I've enjoyed The Fragile Art of Existence for a long time. If there's more on the way, is it unfinished material from back before he died, or did the other band members decide to find somebody else and continue on?

CONTROL DENIED Frontman Issues Update On Long-Awaited Second Album - Dec. 4, 2010 (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=150386)

Leon
2011-12-15, 06:20 AM
So I guess the new Nightwish album came out yesterday?

Who's interested? I kinda am.

I discovered the fact yesterday while looking at a Christmas new releases advert for JBHIFI and have been listening to it on youtube a heck of a lot and have fast tracked it to my "buy this for Christmas, no questions" list.

grimbold
2011-12-16, 04:03 PM
I discovered the fact yesterday while looking at a Christmas new releases advert for JBHIFI and have been listening to it on youtube a heck of a lot and have fast tracked it to my "buy this for Christmas, no questions" list.

nice!
i liked it because it was more operatic than most symphonic metal releases this year

Velaryon
2011-12-18, 02:12 AM
CONTROL DENIED Frontman Issues Update On Long-Awaited Second Album - Dec. 4, 2010 (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=150386)

Thanks for that! I hope this album comes out soon, as I would really like to hear more Control Denied. Definitely a band that ended before their time.

Feytalist
2011-12-19, 02:30 AM
nice!
i liked it because it was more operatic than most symphonic metal releases this year

Yeah, it's pretty damn good. I would have liked to hear a bit more heavy guitar work, but it's no big thing. Nice folky feel in a few of the songs.

grimbold
2011-12-19, 06:38 AM
folk of the metal thread i need your help!
my symphonic viking metal band (its a bit like midnatsoll only with more shredding :smallcool:) needs a name

here are our 3 ideas and i wanted your thoughts

Condamned (note that we're a french band and in French "Con" means stupid in a rather vulgar way)

Coffin Head (my personal favorite because i made a cool logo with a skull with a coffin motif)

Goathorn (possibly our most metal suggestion)

SO guys

thoughts and opinions would be welcome

Thank you

WhamBamSam
2011-12-19, 11:25 AM
Goat Horn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfgg_kUUMzg&feature=related) is already the name of an apparently signed metal band. Not great in my opinion, but what can you do.

Personally I'd lean toward Condamned out of the other two, since Coffin Head sounds like the name of a band closer to the Thrash end of the metal spectrum to me.

grimbold
2011-12-19, 12:02 PM
Goat Horn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfgg_kUUMzg&feature=related) is already the name of an apparently signed metal band. Not great in my opinion, but what can you do.

Personally I'd lean toward Condamned out of the other two, since Coffin Head sounds like the name of a band closer to the Thrash end of the metal spectrum to me.

ok thank you

fyi i'm open to suggestions you guys might have

Leon
2011-12-20, 03:08 AM
nice!
i liked it because it was more operatic than most symphonic metal releases this year

I now know i am getting both Imaginaerum and Elysium, now its just a matter of which is the one that i have to wait till New years day for.

Shadow of the Sun
2011-12-20, 03:49 AM
I'm a bit of a metal hipster.

It's hilarious chugging away in dropped D on a jazz box.

grimbold
2011-12-20, 06:09 AM
so i just discovered Nembience (https://www.facebook.com/pages/NEMBIENCE/164736726928) who i like to think of as "In Flames but better"
:smallbiggrin:

Kindablue
2011-12-22, 01:48 AM
Pfffft, drop D.

I tune my strings down to B for MAXIMUM HEAVYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Well, he didn't say which D. He could've put a bass string on the guitar and dropped it to D1. :smalltongue:

Moff Chumley
2011-12-22, 02:23 AM
Pfffft, drop D.

I tune my strings down to B for MAXIMUM HEAVYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Silly treblesticks. I tune my bass down to A. :smallamused:

grimbold
2011-12-22, 07:24 AM
Silly treblesticks. I tune my bass down to A. :smallamused:

moff
sorry to upset you
but i go down to G
so does my bassist

actually we have a song where he goes down to F ;)

Dada
2011-12-22, 07:27 AM
Just throw some distortion on a didgeridoo and end this silly discussion already :P

Moff Chumley
2011-12-22, 12:56 PM
Yes, Grimmy, but don't you guys use extra strings? That's cheating. :smalltongue:

Comrade
2011-12-22, 03:59 PM
Just throw some distortion on a didgeridoo and end this silly discussion already :P

Electric didgeridoo? Do want.

Marillion
2011-12-22, 08:33 PM
Well, it's not an electric didgeridoo, but it's a start (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkod0GA5Qj8)

Nameless
2011-12-24, 06:18 PM
Corey Taylor wishes you all a Merry Christmas! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od7GUy9XS7c) :smallbiggrin:

Moff Chumley
2011-12-24, 07:46 PM
Anyone listen to Intronaut? I was forced to download Valley of Smoke yesterday, and while I've never been a huge fan of particularly technical metal, this is really quickly becoming my favorite metal album. Sounds like if Kylesa or Black Tusk or something went on a roadtrip where the only CDs were A Love Supreme, Close to the Edge, and Minus the Bear...

Point is, they're damn awesome, and you guys would actually like 'em this time. :smalltongue: Linky. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFYGL5qOt70)

ex cathedra
2011-12-24, 10:15 PM
Anyone listen to Intronaut? I was forced to download Valley of Smoke yesterday, and while I've never been a huge fan of particularly technical metal, this is really quickly becoming my favorite metal album. Sounds like if Kylesa or Black Tusk or something went on a roadtrip where the only CDs were A Love Supreme, Close to the Edge, and Minus the Bear...

Point is, they're damn awesome, and you guys would actually like 'em this time. :smalltongue: Linky. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFYGL5qOt70)

I saw them live a few months back, actually, with two other ****ty bands that kind of ruined the experience for my buddy and myself. I recall their set being the only one worth staying for, but I never got around to actually following up on their music.

grimbold
2011-12-27, 09:06 AM
Yes, Grimmy, but don't you guys use extra strings? That's cheating. :smalltongue:

no
theres just ridiculous brutality


we only go that low for lke 3 songs and the strings are basically buzzing against the fretboard,,,

however its easier with my jackson now

Nameless
2011-12-27, 06:36 PM
Some Gothic Black Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcMQfb3y2AY&feature=share). Complete with a pretentious 9 minute video! :smalltongue:

Zocelot
2011-12-28, 02:52 AM
Corey Taylor wishes you all a Merry Christmas! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od7GUy9XS7c) :smallbiggrin:

Not a Slipknot fan, but I really liked that song and video.

Nameless
2011-12-28, 05:38 AM
Not a Slipknot fan, but I really liked that song and video.

Well, this isn't Slipknot. :smalltongue:

Silly.

grimbold
2011-12-29, 07:55 AM
Some Gothic Black Metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcMQfb3y2AY&feature=share). Complete with a pretentious 9 minute video! :smalltongue:

that made my day :D

Feytalist
2012-01-03, 07:41 AM
To/Die/For is not as awesome as I remember them to be, 7 years back. Oh well.

Anyone know of any good albums set to be released this year? I'd trawl the net, but I'm much too lazy.

Nameless
2012-01-03, 08:50 AM
To/Die/For is not as awesome as I remember them to be, 7 years back. Oh well.

Anyone know of any good albums set to be released this year? I'd trawl the net, but I'm much too lazy.

No, but I got We The Fallen by Psyclon Nine for Christmas. *rolls around in Aggrotechy Black Metal joy*

Feytalist
2012-01-03, 09:14 AM
No, but I got We The Fallen by Psyclon Nine for Christmas. *rolls around in Aggrotechy Black Metal joy*

I got myself the new In Extremo, so I'm in a similar state :nosmileytoexpresslevelofjoy:

grimbold
2012-01-03, 11:40 AM
so yeah..
i got an interview coming up with Franceso Arusato of All Shall Perish

anything you guys want me to ask him?

Hawkfrost000
2012-01-03, 05:43 PM
Favorite Albums of the Year:

Imaginaerum by Nightwish
Favorite Song: Storytime

The Lost Children by Disturbed
Favorite Song: Hell

Poetry for the Poisoned by Kamelot
Favorite Song: The Zodiac

DM

WhamBamSam
2012-01-03, 08:07 PM
Anyone know of any good albums set to be released this year? I'd trawl the net, but I'm much too lazy.It's set to be a pretty decent year for classic/power metal. Two of my favorite new bands, Holy Grail and Seven Kingdoms, are in the studio (or soon to be there) making new albums, and I think that Judas Priest said Summer of 2012 for their new record, though that could be when it's being recorded as opposed to released, or I could just be making things up.

I'm also persevering in my fools hope that the second Control Denied album will finally crawl up out of development hell this year. The legal troubles are all settled and it was supposed to be released by now, but the remaining band members seem to be having some difficulty with the home stretch.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but I suspect I'll be able to satisfy my hunger for new music by gradually filling in the current holes in my collection.


so yeah..
i got an interview coming up with Franceso Arusato of All Shall Perish

anything you guys want me to ask him?"Dear God, why?" would probably be pretty high on my list, but I'm somewhat mean-spirited and have a particular distaste for Deathcore, so I should probably just be ignored.


Favorite Albums of the Year:

Imaginaerum by Nightwish
Favorite Song: Storytime

The Lost Children by Disturbed
Favorite Song: Hell

Poetry for the Poisoned by Kamelot
Favorite Song: The Zodiac

DMI love Disturbed, I really do. They were the band that got me into metal, and I still get a kick out of it when I go back to listen to them, but The Lost Children was pretty meh for me. There was a depressing lack of guitar solos and only a few riffs/vocal melodies really jumped out at me. I already had "Monster" and might pick up a few of the other tracks later if I decide I really need them, but the album/B-side collection/whatever as a whole, I can do without.

Also, as awesome as Poetry for the Poisoned was, it came out in 2010.

Marillion
2012-01-03, 11:25 PM
Well, Saviour Machine is finally getting ready to pull Legend III out of the development hell it's been in since 2001, and with any luck it'll be complete in the year. Not holding my breath, though.

And according to Wiki, Sonata Arctica hopes to have their new album on sale by summer. That's good.

Hawkfrost000
2012-01-04, 01:37 AM
Also, as awesome as Poetry for the Poisoned was, it came out in 2010.

I know, but i discovered Poetry for the Poisoned along with the rest of Kamelot in 2011 so its close enough for me, plus i really wanted to give the band some credit.

DM

Feytalist
2012-01-04, 01:58 AM
I'm kinda waiting to see what Kamelot will do now that Roy Khan is gone. Loved his voice.

Necropolis was my personal favourite from Poetry of the Poisoned, but overall I can't say I enjoyed it all that much. I actually thought Ghost Opera was better.

I'd forgotten about Sonata Arctica's new album. Hope it's good.

Marillion
2012-01-04, 03:24 AM
You know, everyone says that Ghost Opera was such a fantastic album. Personally, though, I just don't get it. Something about the album is just very unappealing, somehow, and I can't put my finger on it.

And I, for one, would be stoked if Fabio Lione would take Roy's place permanently.

grimbold
2012-01-04, 03:29 AM
"Dear God, why?" would probably be pretty high on my list, but I'm somewhat mean-spirited and have a particular distaste for Deathcore, so I should probably just be ignored.


how about

Why do you play deathcore? :smallsmile:

Feytalist
2012-01-04, 03:36 AM
You know, everyone says that Ghost Opera was such a fantastic album. Personally, though, I just don't get it. Something about the album is just very unappealing, somehow, and I can't put my finger on it.

And I, for one, would be stoked if Fabio Lione would take Roy's place permanently.

Huh. Fabio might actually make it work. Interesting thought.

I think it's because Ghost Opera wasn't really structured. The previous albums, Epica and The Black Halo, told a story and had interludes and everything. Ghost Opera was just a bunch of songs thrown together. Bunch of awesome songs, though.

grimbold
2012-01-04, 06:48 AM
Huh. Fabio might actually make it work. Interesting thought.


thats because fabio is one of the best vocalists in the world today :smallcool:

Nameless
2012-01-04, 08:06 AM
Anyone know of any good albums set to be released this year? I'd trawl the net, but I'm much too lazy.

NEW ALCEST ALBUM (http://www.idioteq.com/alcest-new-album-update-tour-dates/).

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001424495/HURR_by_MahAnimu_answer_1_xlarge.png

Kindablue
2012-01-04, 08:51 AM
My new favorite metal album of last year was Weightless by Animals as Leaders. Coincidentally, or perhaps incidentally, it was also the only new metal album I listened to last year.

Feytalist
2012-01-04, 09:48 AM
NEW ALCEST ALBUM (http://www.idioteq.com/alcest-new-album-update-tour-dates/).

Oh. HELL. Yes.

ex cathedra
2012-01-04, 12:05 PM
I want in on this.

New Alcest album streamed via the label's youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7BF53AFB2555C55E)

Triscuitable
2012-01-04, 10:19 PM
WOO!

Didn't know there was a metal thread here. Awesome. What's the talk of the town? In a quick moment of extreme, 1st-grader-style outbursts, I just bought Rust in Peace (been a Metallica fan for a long time, never went past the Black Album though), and I LOVE it.

Zocelot
2012-01-05, 12:59 AM
Top 5 Albums of 2011 (Originally top 3, but it's been a good year for metal and I'm bad at making decisions)

Turisas - Stand Up And Fight
Great new album, I like the slower, heavier stuff like Fear the Fear and End of an Empire.

Euphoreon - Euphoreon
Excellent debut album, Road to Redemption is the clear all-star song.

Battlesoul - Lay Down Thy Burdens
Another debut album, from my home province, these guys are a lot like Ensiferum.

Anterior - Echoes Of The Fallen
My favourite band. Not as good as their first album, but it's still fantastic and it grows on you.

Arch Enemy - Khaos Legions
I'll get hate for this, but I think it's the best Gossow album

Honorable Mention:
Alestorm - Back Through Time
It's fun, but not as musically sound as the others.

Disappointments:
Insomnium - One for Sorrow
Some good stuff here, but it feels too generic and samey

Children of Bodom - Relentless Reckless Forever
I was hoping they could recover from Bloodrunk, but nope, they suck now.

Blackguard - Firefight
Losing the keyboards changes their sound entirely, and not in a good way.

Sylosis - Edge Of The Earth
Much thrashier and less melodic than their first album. It's not terrible, but it just doesn't compare.

Norther - Circle Regenerated
Losing their lead singer crippled them.

Triscuitable
2012-01-05, 01:20 AM
Top 5 Albums of 2011 (Originally top 3, but it's been a good year for metal and I'm bad at making decisions)

Turisas - Stand Up And Fight
Great new album, I like the slower, heavier stuff like Fear the Fear and End of an Empire.

Euphoreon - Euphoreon
Excellent debut album, Road to Redemption is the clear all-star song.

Battlesoul - Lay Down Thy Burdens
Another debut album, from my home province, these guys are a lot like Ensiferum.

Anterior - Echoes Of The Fallen
My favourite band. Not as good as their first album, but it's still fantastic and it grows on you.

Arch Enemy - Khaos Legions
I'll get hate for this, but I think it's the best Gossow album

Honorable Mention:
Alestorm - Back Through Time
It's fun, but not as musically sound as the others.

Disappointments:
Insomnium - One for Sorrow
Some good stuff here, but it feels too generic and samey

Children of Bodom - Relentless Reckless Forever
I was hoping they could recover from Bloodrunk, but nope, they suck now.

Blackguard - Firefight
Losing the keyboards changes their sound entirely, and not in a good way.

Sylosis - Edge Of The Earth
Much thrashier and less melodic than their first album. It's not terrible, but it just doesn't compare.

Norther - Circle Regenerated
Losing their lead singer crippled them.

Can we throw Lulu in there, for good measure?

You know damn well where I mean for it to go. :smallamused:

eyeofsaulot
2012-01-05, 03:34 AM
Anyone know of any good albums set to be released this year? I'd trawl the net, but I'm much too lazy.

A couple good ones have already been mentioned like the new Alcest and posthumous Control Denied. Old school Texas thrash metallers Watchtower will be releasing a comeback album (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCXRvwdFQk) this year. Sigh's new album In Somniphobia should be out some time in March (won't link to the youtube page with the song "Somniphobia" because of the cover art. Look it up!) And Blind Guardian is rerecording, reworking, remixing, and orchestrifying old songs for their compilation entitled Memories of a Time to Come (http://www.blind-guardian.com/2011/12/24/a-gift-from-santa-guardian-the-bards-song-2011-orchestral-version/). Kind of like Forgotten Tales from all those years ago.

Feytalist
2012-01-05, 04:00 AM
Turisas - Stand Up And Fight
Great new album, I like the slower, heavier stuff like Fear the Fear and End of an Empire.

Huh. I didn't really like Stand Up And Fight all that much. Usually I like slower and heavier as well, but The Varangian Way was just so much better.


Also, the new Moonspell (finally) is apparently slated for "Spring 2012". We'll have to see if that ends up happening.

Nameless
2012-01-05, 06:59 AM
I want in on this.

New Alcest album streamed via the label's youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7BF53AFB2555C55E)


NEW ALCEST ALBUM (http://www.idioteq.com/alcest-new-album-update-tour-dates/).

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001424495/HURR_by_MahAnimu_answer_1_xlarge.png

:smallannoyed:

:smalltongue:


WOO!

Didn't know there was a metal thread here. Awesome. What's the talk of the town?

Alllcccceeessstttttttt.

Yora
2012-01-05, 09:48 AM
Found this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDE2VQzghp4&feature=related) on youtube with lots of really cool metal covers.

Zocelot
2012-01-05, 01:29 PM
Can we throw Lulu in there, for good measure?

You know damn well where I mean for it to go. :smallamused:

It's not technically a disappointment since to be disappointed, you have to have to have the expectation that it's not going to be the biggest piece of **** Metallica has ever produced.

Gullintanni
2012-01-05, 02:16 PM
Huh. I didn't really like Stand Up And Fight all that much. Usually I like slower and heavier as well, but The Varangian Way was just so much better.

Also, the new Moonspell (finally) is apparently slated for "Spring 2012". We'll have to see if that ends up happening.

Eh, Varangian missed for me on the keyboards. Authentic orchestral work really brings Stand Up And Fight into the fore, and that's the only reason why it gets my vote over its predecessor. But it's a very different album than Varangian. Varangian had a hell of a story behind it, and if you loved the narrative, it's an album that's going to stay with you forever.

Both great albums over all, just for very different reasons.

Hawkfrost000
2012-01-05, 05:50 PM
Found this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDE2VQzghp4&feature=related) on youtube with lots of really cool metal covers.

took you long enough :smalltongue:

DM

Nameless
2012-01-05, 07:45 PM
I put this up on the Pony thread, but I'll mention it here too. The instrumentals for my trve kvlt frostbitten Black \m/etal cover of the opening them from My Little Pony: Friendship is magic is up on Youtube in my shiny new channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLGfu-SltVw&context=C3ba4dd2ADOEgsToPDskKRY3xMCqMhJwZTHr-CfTEi). It's equipped with low quality distant guitars as standard.
Screaming and hollowing version coming soon.

It's so kvlt, I actually started to develop some frostbite on my fingers as I was recording it.

Feytalist
2012-01-06, 01:47 AM
I've been relistening ALL the Alcest in preparation for their new album :smallbiggrin:


Eh, Varangian missed for me on the keyboards. Authentic orchestral work really brings Stand Up And Fight into the fore, and that's the only reason why it gets my vote over its predecessor. But it's a very different album than Varangian. Varangian had a hell of a story behind it, and if you loved the narrative, it's an album that's going to stay with you forever.

Hmm, you're right, of course. I tend to like concept albums like Varangian Way more in any case. Oh, but that Supernaut cover didn't do anything for me.

Gullintanni
2012-01-06, 07:50 AM
Am I the only person here who doesn't like folk/symphonic metal :smallannoyed:

Anyway!

Folk and Symphonic probably shouldn't go into the same grouping. Korpiklaani, Finntroll, Turisas and the like don't sound remotely like Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius or Rhapsody (of Fire...I refuse to acknowledge this change of names except as a parenthetical clarification. Sorry guys, you didn't need a name change).

The difference is so distinct that I can say that I really enjoy folk metal but I don't like symphonic metal at all. Not that the bands above aren't talented, they just lack a certain quality that I look for in my metal.

That said, I'll take an Amon Amarth, an Opeth, an Unleashed and sometimes even a Satyricon on my heavier leaning days, so I can definitely buy into the whole Needs More BRUTALITY mentality.

Metal is a wide genre. C'est la vie.

Yora
2012-01-06, 07:57 AM
Folk and Symphonic probably shouldn't go into the same grouping. Korpiklaani, Finntroll, Turisas and the like don't sound remotely like Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius or Rhapsody (of Fire...I refuse to acknowledge this change of names except as a parenthetical clarification. Sorry guys, you didn't need a name change).
Completely agree with this. Love the first ones.

WhamBamSam
2012-01-06, 07:21 PM
Am I the only person here who doesn't like folk/symphonic metal :smallannoyed:

Anyway!

I have lately been getting very into Brutal Truth, in particular their album Need to Control. It's brutal, vicious, and aggressive grindcore, without devolving into mere noise and screeching (I'm lookin' at you, AxCx...). I like.I like some folk and symphonic metal, but I'm certainly not of the opinion that those elements automatically improve any given song. When it works though, I can dig it.

Honestly my problem with a lot of folk metal and symphonic metal is essentially the same as my problem with a lot of extreme metal. In the former cases, bands often seem to be trying really hard to sound "epic" above all else while the latter group is full of people whose main focus is trying to sound "brutal." In both situations, sounding "good" comes secondary, and therein lies the problem.

Nameless
2012-01-06, 07:50 PM
I like some folk and symphonic metal, but I'm certainly not of the opinion that those elements automatically improve any given song. When it works though, I can dig it.

Honestly my problem with a lot of folk metal and symphonic metal is essentially the same as my problem with a lot of extreme metal. In the former cases, bands often seem to be trying really hard to sound "epic" above all else while the latter group is full of people whose main focus is trying to sound "brutal." In both situations, sounding "good" comes secondary, and therein lies the problem.

I kind of agree with this. There are a lot of bands that have a tendency to fall into this trap and end up sounding very generic and boring. However, on the other hand, you do have some fantastic Symphonic and Folk Metal bands. Kamelot and Eluveitie are strong examples of bands in both genres who are both original, and do more then simply try to sound "epic".

Triscuitable
2012-01-06, 08:08 PM
*snip* (I'm lookin' at you, AxCx...). I like.

Is the AxCx you mentioned in any way related to the band who plays loud and fast, with lyrics to be the most offensive as possible as a parody of bands that play loud and fast with offensive lyrics? That also happens to have the (censored) name A.C.?

Killer Angel
2012-01-07, 05:54 AM
NEW ALCEST ALBUM (http://www.idioteq.com/alcest-new-album-update-tour-dates/).


Worst thing 'bout Alcest: it's difficult to find their CDs in italian stores.
I like facing logistic difficulties. :smallsmile:

Nameless
2012-01-07, 06:58 AM
Worst thing 'bout Alcest: it's difficult to find their CDs in italian stores.
I like facing logistic difficulties. :smallsmile:

You think it's any different in the UK? That's why Odin created the Interwebz.

*hugs his copy of Souvenirs*

grimbold
2012-01-07, 04:29 PM
on the topic of AxCx

if you want silly metal

STEEL PANTHER

there lyrics make my day

"Fat girl!! Thar she blows!!" :smallbiggrin:


on the topic of Alcest

yay french metal!
we need more of that

Comrade
2012-01-07, 06:07 PM
on the topic of AxCx

if you want silly metal

STEEL PANTHER

there lyrics make my day

"Fat girl!! Thar she blows!!" :smallbiggrin:



I'm sorry but I defy you to find a band sillier than one with song names like 'Windchimes are Gay' and 'Kyle from Incantation Has a Moustache'.

Triscuitable
2012-01-07, 07:32 PM
I'm sorry but I defy you to find a band sillier than one with song names like 'Windchimes are Gay' and 'Kyle from Incantation Has a Moustache'.

What was the name of that one song? "We Locked [Vegan/Animal Activist Group] in a McDonalds"?

I'll edit the post when I remember.

EDIT: "Locking Drop Dead in a McDonalds". They actually did, and took photos too.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51p8mGYpwZL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Dave, DAVE! Please turn around- Oh, you're facing us. Please look up. Oh right, please brush your hair out of your face. More. More. Almost there. You know what? Let me get the rope and a scissorlift, and we can hang you by your feet so we can see your face.

zeratul
2012-01-08, 03:19 PM
Hey so I have some updates about my folk metal band Hounds of Annwn for you guys. We just started the recording process for our first EP and it seems like it should be pretty awesome so far. We'll probably have a couple songs up by February and the EP itself will probably be out in March, I'll give you guys more updates on it as they come.

Feytalist
2012-01-09, 03:12 AM
I'm a huge fan of symphonic metal, but as I've said before, some bands tend to think slapping a chamber orchestra or choral effect onto their songs will make it somehow better. But if well-done, like Therion does it, I do enjoy it. Same with folk metal, really.

So I've been playing Voyages de L'Ame continuously for about a day now :smallbiggrin: (let's rather not ask how I managed that). It's... so good. But I expected it to be a bit heavier, actually. Still, it's just... so good.

grimbold
2012-01-09, 11:08 AM
Hey so I have some updates about my folk metal band Hounds of Annwn for you guys. We just started the recording process for our first EP and it seems like it should be pretty awesome so far. We'll probably have a couple songs up by February and the EP itself will probably be out in March, I'll give you guys more updates on it as they come.

YES

i'm psyched!

Kindablue
2012-01-09, 12:09 PM
Blackjazz is a great album. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTBb_U0hIeY&feature=related)

Velaryon
2012-01-09, 12:11 PM
You know, everyone says that Ghost Opera was such a fantastic album. Personally, though, I just don't get it. Something about the album is just very unappealing, somehow, and I can't put my finger on it.

And I, for one, would be stoked if Fabio Lione would take Roy's place permanently.

It's weird, I've run into the opposite reaction. Everywhere I hear talk of Kamelot, the consensus seems to be "Ghost Opera was okay, but Black Halo is sooooooooooo much better." And I disagree. Ghost Opera is my favorite album, largely on the strength of the first few songs especially Rule the World which is my favorite Kamelot song) although I do like the entire album.

Poetry for the Poisoned... I don't know, I didn't really feel it. It's not a bad album, certainly, but nothing on there really jumps out at me. I can listen to it the whole way through and still not really remember any of the songs.


On a completely unrelated note, I just learned on Facebook that Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath has been diagnosed with the early stages of lymphoma :smalleek:. Not to bring anybody down or anything, but I didn't see it mentioned yet.

Nameless
2012-01-09, 12:47 PM
Hey so I have some updates about my folk metal band Hounds of Annwn for you guys. We just started the recording process for our first EP and it seems like it should be pretty awesome so far. We'll probably have a couple songs up by February and the EP itself will probably be out in March, I'll give you guys more updates on it as they come.

That sounds awesome! Looking forward to it. :)

Gullintanni
2012-01-09, 12:48 PM
It's weird, I've run into the opposite reaction. Everywhere I hear talk of Kamelot, the consensus seems to be "Ghost Opera was okay, but Black Halo is sooooooooooo much better." And I disagree. Ghost Opera is my favorite album, largely on the strength of the first few songs especially Rule the World which is my favorite Kamelot song) although I do like the entire album.


The Black Halo was the first and last Kamelot album I really liked. There are a few good songs here and there. I liked Across the Highlands and A Feast For the Vain, and a few others, but Halo was the first album that I thought was great the whole way through.

Ghost Opera, for me, sounded like it was trying to emulate Halo. I didn't listen to too much of it, but I wasn't really impressed. That's just my impression though, and if Halo had never existed, then Ghost Opera would be a decent enough album on its own. It might just be that the Black Halo is a concept album, and I love looking for narrative clues and subtleties hidden throughout the lyrics.

I haven't listened to any post Opera Kamelot and I probably won't now that Roy's out. Symphonic metal really isn't my thing.

zeratul
2012-01-09, 04:23 PM
Yeah I think It's pretty widely accepted among even Kamelot fans (myself included) that really there isn't much point in listening to anything before Karma or after The Black Halo. That said that three album span is really rather fantastic. I wish they would rerelease Epica sometime with the same production values as they had on The Black Halo though.


Blackjazz is a great album. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTBb_U0hIeY&feature=related)

Found out about these guys a few months ago and have been really digging them. That really crazy bad-trip-like section in The Madness and The Damage done is one of the trippiest things I've heard a non-Unexpect metal band do.

Triscuitable
2012-01-09, 07:31 PM
I want to say something that may seem out of place. I love the bass. I really, REALLY love the bass. Best instrument ever, with the trumpet in a close second.

I love the bass solely because of how awesome Cliff Burton's performance in Kill 'Em All is.

Science Officer
2012-01-09, 10:08 PM
Tony Iommi diagnosed with lymphoma. (http://www.examiner.com/music-in-boise/black-sabbath-s-iron-man-tony-iommi-diagnosed-with-cancer)

Well how about that Sabbath reunion then? Yeah, how about that. :smallfrown:

took me a while to decide where I should pretend to have heard it from.

Triscuitable
2012-01-09, 10:47 PM
Tony Iommi diagnosed with lymphoma. (http://www.examiner.com/music-in-boise/black-sabbath-s-iron-man-tony-iommi-diagnosed-with-cancer)

Well how about that Sabbath reunion then? Yeah, how about that. :smallfrown:

took me a while to decide where I should pretend to have heard it from.

Numerous grandparents of mine have had (and survived, through treatment) some nasty cases of lymphoma. There's hope, especially seeing as this is a wealthy, famous man, and it's the early stages. Radiotherapy can help, if I remember correctly.

By numerous, I mean two. If I said "several" or "many", well, numerous dictates any number. Thus, two.

Feytalist
2012-01-10, 02:44 AM
That's... unfortunate. Here's to hoping he pulls through. Maybe Ozzy can lend him some of his mutant superhuman genes.

Also, I'd like to revise my previous statement. The new Alcest isn't good, it's ****ing epic. That is all.

grimbold
2012-01-10, 09:52 AM
Numerous grandparents of mine have had (and survived, through treatment) some nasty cases of lymphoma. There's hope, especially seeing as this is a wealthy, famous man, and it's the early stages. Radiotherapy can help, if I remember correctly.

By numerous, I mean two. If I said "several" or "many", well, numerous dictates any number. Thus, two.

you do indeed remember correctly

I'm just here playing iron man on the geetar and sending bad vibes at the mean anti-metal cells

Velaryon
2012-01-11, 02:10 PM
Tony Iommi diagnosed with lymphoma. (http://www.examiner.com/music-in-boise/black-sabbath-s-iron-man-tony-iommi-diagnosed-with-cancer)

Well how about that Sabbath reunion then? Yeah, how about that. :smallfrown:

took me a while to decide where I should pretend to have heard it from.

I'm such a good ninja that not only did I ninja you by several posts, even nobody caught it after the fact. Although you did have a link and stuff, so...

But yeah, it sucks. I know there's hope and all, but sometimes people take a turn for the worse pretty quickly. I can't forget how quickly Ronnie James Dio's health went bad after his stomach cancer was announced. So I'm hopeful for Tony Iommi, but in the back of my mind I'm really worried. :smallfrown:



Yeah I think It's pretty widely accepted among even Kamelot fans (myself included) that really there isn't much point in listening to anything before Karma or after The Black Halo. That said that three album span is really rather fantastic. I wish they would rerelease Epica sometime with the same production values as they had on The Black Halo though.

Sige Perilous is good for a listen once in awhile, though I'll admit it's a bit lacking in standout songs. The Fourth Legacy is actually pretty good, I'd say. Certainly it's no Ghost Opera or The Black Halo, but it's roughly comparable with Karma at least, and I actually like it better than Epica.

The two albums before Roy Khan joined the band are pretty awful though, I must admit.

Feytalist
2012-01-12, 02:26 AM
I enjoy The Fourth Legacy as well. Nights of Arabia springs to mind. But I do love Epica/Black Halo's narrative structure. I like concept albums.

I've been on a Bathory binge. Hammerheart, Nordland, Blood on Ice... it's glorious :smallbiggrin:

grimbold
2012-01-12, 09:57 AM
But yeah, it sucks. I know there's hope and all, but sometimes people take a turn for the worse pretty quickly. I can't forget how quickly Ronnie James Dio's health went bad after his stomach cancer was announced. So I'm hopeful for Tony Iommi, but in the back of my mind I'm really worried. :smallfrown:

fortunately they detected it a lot earlier in this case and thus have a better chance of fixing it

warty goblin
2012-01-12, 05:14 PM
So I'm trying to come up with a reason to listen to any metal that isn't Cassandra Syndrome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV3Or0tkmFo&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVAYMcY2vx8GRntqLfwVQJk7vfqfp6WAv6).

Can't come up with one, really.

Triscuitable
2012-01-13, 12:04 AM
fortunately they detected it a lot earlier in this case and thus have a better chance of fixing it

Let me find a song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Mb2vMTIjg) that is appropriate only in title, that will prove my poor taste in metal.

Feytalist
2012-01-13, 01:59 AM
Let me find a song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Mb2vMTIjg) that is appropriate only in title, that will prove my poor taste in metal.

The top comment for that video:

"My iguana heard this. Now it's a dragon."

Yes.

Makensha
2012-01-13, 05:03 PM
And now for my yearly contribution to the metal thread.

30 Pieces of Silver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVs2ulome_Y)

The full CD finally came in the mail today. It has been a good day.

Triscuitable
2012-01-14, 01:50 AM
What? Megadeth is ****ing awesome :smallfurious:

I thought everyone was against that kind of stuff. So I just shied away from mentioning it. Everyone's talking about bands I've never heard of. I have no knowledge of metal beyond the Big Four, Black Sabbath, AxCx, and a few others that are quite well known.

Closet metal fan? I love everything Metallica puts out, including Load, ReLoad, St. Anger, and Lulu.

I even have Acoustic Metal! HAH!

Feytalist
2012-01-14, 03:28 AM
I thought everyone was against that kind of stuff. So I just shied away from mentioning it. Everyone's talking about bands I've never heard of. I have no knowledge of metal beyond the Big Four, Black Sabbath, AxCx, and a few others that are quite well known.

Closet metal fan? I love everything Metallica puts out, including Load, ReLoad, St. Anger, and Lulu.

I even have Acoustic Metal! HAH!

Heh.

There seem to be lotsa power and symphonic metal fans here, some folk metal and a few black metallers here and there. Not so much thrash, I think.

Not a huge fan, myself. If I go old school, I'd rather go for the classic heavy metal and NWOBHM type stuff.

Speaking of: Axel Rudi Pell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK0XVz-oTj8). Oh yeah.

Triscuitable
2012-01-14, 05:01 AM
As far as the Big Four of thrash, I'm in general leaning towards Megadeth and Slayer rather than Metallica and Anthrax. But for the most part I'm more of a death metal fan if we're to choose one kind of metal in particular. Seems I'm in the minority here on that, though.

I listen to Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction, Kill 'Em All, and Master of Puppets, or at least one or two of them, every day. I started the bass because
of Cliff Burton, I should note (and Scott Pilgrim, but whatever).

cleric_of_BANJO
2012-01-14, 04:59 PM
Heh.

There seem to be lotsa power and symphonic metal fans here, some folk metal and a few black metallers here and there. Not so much thrash, I think.


Well, then that needs to be remedied, does it not?

How about some new thrash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6quoHbwDcfA&feature=related) similar to early Destruction?

On that note... How about some early Destruction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtaH2yllusU)?

Triscuitable
2012-01-14, 05:21 PM
Well, then that needs to be remedied, does it not?

How about some new thrash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6quoHbwDcfA&feature=related) similar to early Destruction?

On that note... How about some early Destruction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtaH2yllusU)?

Militia of Death reminds me of Damage, Inc. I don't know why.

Speaking of militias related to metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxY18q0gJ1o&hd=1)...

WhamBamSam
2012-01-14, 10:04 PM
I'm generally not that fond of Thrash, as I find it to often be somewhat repetitive and poorly sung. That said, there are some elements of Thrash that I really like, and when I can get on board with the vocals I usually enjoy the style. For example, I'd put the new Anthrax album in my top 5 for last year and this Death Angel song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIVd7fw-tTE&feature=related) is awesome.

Nameless
2012-01-15, 06:50 AM
Personally, I'm not really a huge fan of traditional Death Metal, however, I do love Melodeath, like, a lot. Norther being one of my favorites.

cleric_of_BANJO
2012-01-15, 02:15 PM
Have we no other death metalheads? :smallannoyed:

Yes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoboI-VqJFM) we (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqOf-KjdVY) do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYYUR21_G9c).

grimbold
2012-01-16, 02:41 AM
Have we no other death metalheads? :smallannoyed:

i like death metal but i prefer things with more melody thus melodeath and viking metal :D

Feytalist
2012-01-16, 03:02 AM
Melodeath is just about the only death metal I can listen to. Except maybe Death, the band. I like my old school stuff.

Triscuitable
2012-01-16, 03:24 AM
Melodeath is just about the only death metal I can listen to. Except maybe Death, the band. I like my old school stuff.

You've got good taste.

On another note, I find a listening to "Frantic" while surfing the web to be awesome.

Killer Angel
2012-01-16, 03:39 AM
Iloset metal fan? I love everything Metallica puts out, including Load, ReLoad, St. Anger, and Lulu.


Really? I'm impressed, but must decide if I'm positively or negatively impressed... :smalltongue:


As far as the Big Four of thrash, I'm in general leaning towards Megadeth and Slayer rather than Metallica and Anthrax.

To be fair, Anthrax (though I loved them) were somehow unusual in their thrashy side...

Whoracle
2012-01-16, 05:31 AM
Chalk another one up for the death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gawms8BM3o) metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gTCgYurcVs) brigade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc).

Although I like my melo to death, there's something to be said for relentless hammering and brutality :D

Feytalist
2012-01-16, 05:38 AM
About 90% of the metal scene over here is death metal, so I've been exposed to a lot of mediocre death metal.

That said, these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QWOwqrSFio) are really quite good. And I'm not just saying that because I know them, heh.

I'm actually just not a huge fan of death growls. Black metal screams, on the other hand...

grimbold
2012-01-16, 03:27 PM
About 90% of the metal scene over here is death metal, so I've been exposed to a lot of mediocre death metal.

That said, these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QWOwqrSFio) are really quite good. And I'm not just saying that because I know them, heh.

I'm actually just not a huge fan of death growls. Black metal screams, on the other hand...

Oo
nice link

Triscuitable
2012-01-16, 04:30 PM
Really? I'm impressed, but must decide if I'm positively or negatively impressed... :smalltongue:


It's unique how I perceive the band. Metallica is not as much of a thrash metal band as they are a metal band with a stake in all genres (besides, y'know, black and death). I really like St. Anger. It's a really cool "garage-y" album that shows, in the midst all the risks they'd been taking (Load's cover is semen and blood. Bet you thought it was LAVA), that they're not afraid to experiment. You can't really name any bands that will go to such extreme lengths to innovate besides Metallica. They deserve a better fanbase than what they have, the intolerant, arse-faced, "I-must-criticize-and-hate-all-this-band-releases-to-be-popular" guys.

You can compare the first song they had out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUVqcn3NrhI) to the song that put them in everyone's field of view (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-hEyVQDRA) (I knew about them a whole decade before I even heard a single song about them!), or even something that lost millions of fans for trying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I6y5-GuLPM), and wrap it up with the warped combination of thrash and heavy metal. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZBZS4x9lts)

That is effort in maintaining staying power!

WhamBamSam
2012-01-16, 05:40 PM
About 90% of the metal scene over here is death metal, so I've been exposed to a lot of mediocre death metal.90% of the metal scene here in Michigan claims to be Death Metal, but most of it is actually closer to Deathcore or Crossover Thrash, possibly with a little Slipknot influence thrown in because screw you.

I personally quite enjoy Death Metal, but most given bands in the subgenre don't have enough variety from song to song for me. I don't often buy full Death Metal albums, but I'll happily pick up individual songs here and there. The Proggier stuff with more twists and turns to it is exempt from these complaints and restrictions. I own the final three Death albums, which are awesome, and am quite fond of Opeth.

Moff Chumley
2012-01-16, 09:32 PM
Pretty sure I'm still the only sludge/doom/drone/stoner/post metal fan in hurr.

One day y'all'll acknowledge the brilliance that is Sunn O))). One day. :smalltongue:

Triscuitable
2012-01-16, 09:39 PM
Pretty sure I'm still the only sludge/doom/drone/stoner/post metal fan in hurr.

One day y'all'll acknowledge the brilliance that is Sunn O))). One day. :smalltongue:

Links or lack of interest. I'm curious.

Moff Chumley
2012-01-16, 09:46 PM
Links or lack of interest. I'm curious.

If you say so, boss. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIR1KfKXH6s) :smallcool:

Triscuitable
2012-01-16, 10:00 PM
If you say so, boss. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIR1KfKXH6s) :smallcool:

Reminds me of some of the more metal-oriented levels of Madworld and No More Heroes 2 GODHAND. FUDGE. I like it a lot.

ex cathedra
2012-01-16, 10:08 PM
Pretty sure I'm still the only sludge/doom/drone/stoner/post metal fan in hurr.

Bro, that hurts. That hurts really bad.

Triscuitable
2012-01-16, 10:22 PM
Just used PaulStretch on Lucca's Theme (Chrono Trigger). The warped noise I got made it sound like Sludge Metal. It was hillarious when I found I could stretch it so it would take 3,200,500,000,000 years to complete. So I did.

I invented Chrono Metal, everybody! Takes more than 20 billion lifetimes to enjoy a single song!

Moff Chumley
2012-01-16, 10:40 PM
Bro, that hurts. That hurts really bad.

Oh crap, I forgot about you. I'm sorry, bro. :smalleek:
Here's some Om (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxemC6pVe6M) to make up for it? :smalltongue:

Moff Chumley
2012-01-16, 11:29 PM
You've never listened to the slowed-by-800% stuff? It's absolutely beautiful. Sounds like epic ambient post-rock.

I'm not actually kidding. :smalltongue:

Triscuitable
2012-01-17, 12:02 AM
You've never listened to the slowed-by-800% stuff? It's absolutely beautiful. Sounds like epic ambient post-rock.

I'm not actually kidding. :smalltongue:

It's better when you take something that's already mellow, like The Unforgiven III, and slow it down 500%. It gets a little funny during the parts where James begins to sing, because then it sounds like the time he blew out his voice box screaming "SO ****ING WHAT? *pop*".

Yup, he's a passionate feller.

Makensha
2012-01-17, 12:06 AM
You've never listened to the slowed-by-800% stuff? It's absolutely beautiful. Sounds like epic ambient post-rock.

I'm not actually kidding. :smalltongue:

http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/

I generally find putting a song at 3000% stretch is a good way to fall asleep.

Triscuitable
2012-01-17, 12:17 AM
http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/

I generally find putting a song at 3000% stretch is a good way to fall asleep.

We were just talking about PaulStretch. I love it.

Feytalist
2012-01-17, 03:53 AM
Pretty sure I'm still the only sludge/doom/drone/stoner/post metal fan in hurr.

One day y'all'll acknowledge the brilliance that is Sunn O))). One day. :smalltongue:

I do love me some doom. But the original, My Dying Bride-type stuff. Or early Anathema. Or Katatonia, hell yes.

But Sunn O))) is petty dang good.

Nameless
2012-01-17, 02:26 PM
Not Metal exactly, but still pretty amazing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byWnuR1klpE). It also has symphony. The well-used awesome kind! :smallbiggrin:

Triscuitable
2012-01-17, 02:54 PM
Not Metal exactly, but still pretty amazing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byWnuR1klpE). It also has symphony. The well-used awesome kind! :smallbiggrin:

This man has never heard For Whom the Bell Tolls from S&M. Clearly.

cleric_of_BANJO
2012-01-17, 05:58 PM
Pretty sure I'm still the only sludge/doom/drone/stoner/post metal fan in hurr.

One day y'all'll acknowledge the brilliance that is Sunn O))). One day. :smalltongue:

Not a huge fan of Sunn O))), but I do listen to some of those genres. I listened to Virus' The Agent that Shapes the Desert (no link, there's no point to listening to individual songs) and thought it was awesome. I like some stoner (bongzilla, etc), Tiamat's Wildhoney is one of my favorite albums, and yes, it counts as doom. Also Baroness' Blue Record is one of the best releases in the past few years.

And I hope post-rock counts too, because Godspeed You! Black Emperor's Slow Riot for a New Zero Kanada is one of the greatest EP's ever.

Triscuitable
2012-01-18, 12:53 AM
I'd like to ask everyone a few questions.

What was the band you heard that got you into metal?

What is your favorite metal band?

What is your favorite metal album?

I can answer these all easily. Metallica, Megadeth, Ride the Lightning.

ex cathedra
2012-01-18, 01:30 AM
Opeth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb9C1u8HsR8) was probably the band that "got me into" metal.

Agalloch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1aJPEFtoNg) is probably my favorite metal band, though I'd feel bad if I didn't mention Isis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sopiG1Qhlh8).

My favorite metal album is probably Somewhere Along The Highway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS06PaB45PQ).

Kindablue
2012-01-18, 01:40 AM
I'd like to ask everyone a few questions.

What was the band you heard that got you into metal?

What is your favorite metal band?

What is your favorite metal album?

A friend gave me some "best of" Iron Maiden album when I was 13. First metal album I'd ever heard, and I must've heard it a few hundred more times without ever tiring of it. The other two change weekly, but I guess it's Animals as Leaders and Powers of Ten by Shawn Lane right now.

Feytalist
2012-01-18, 02:07 AM
Tiamat's Wildhoney is one of my favorite albums, and yes, it counts as doom.

Wildhoney is indeed one of the greatest metal albums ever produced. And that is just fact.


I'd like to ask everyone a few questions.

What was the band you heard that got you into metal?

What is your favorite metal band?

What is your favorite metal album?

Hokay:

1) The first metal band I heard was Metallica, but the one that really got me into metal was probably Nightwish. Or Iced Earth.

2) Difficult one. I don't really have one single band. At any time it will be a toss-up between Agalloch, Falkenbach, Moonsorrow, Therion or... let's say Blind Guardian.

3) Same as above. Aforementioned Wildhoney by Tiamat is a definite contender. Kamelot's Black Halo. Blind Guardian's Nightfall in Middle Earth. Iced Earth's Horror Show. Therion's Lemuria/Sirius B. Opeth's Damnation (can that be classified as metal? yeah sure, why not). Shadow Gallery's Tyranny.

WhamBamSam
2012-01-18, 02:33 AM
1) I got into Disturbed back in high school, and just about every band I now listen to stems from checking out Priest and Maiden as bands that they had cited as influences.

2) Iron Maiden can't be fought.

3) Painkiller - Judas Priest

grimbold
2012-01-18, 03:44 AM
http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/

I generally find putting a song at 3000% stretch is a good way to fall asleep.

hmmm

this is...
interesting

Whoracle
2012-01-18, 03:51 AM
1) Probably Guns 'n' Roses' Use Your Illusion II. While it certainly doesn't count as metal, it got me onto the right track. Alternatively ManOwaRs Kings Of Metal.

2) That's quite hard. I don't have an all-time-favourite, but if pressed I'd say it's a three-way-tie between mid-era In Flames/Dark Tranquillity/At The Gates.

3) That, on the other hand, is quite easy. In Flames' Whoracle.

Science Officer
2012-01-18, 12:34 PM
Pretty sure I'm still the only sludge/doom/drone/stoner/post metal fan in hurr.

One day y'all'll acknowledge the brilliance that is Sunn O))). One day. :smalltongue:

I like that stuff. Or at least, I think I do. I like Electric Wizard. It's one of those things where a lot of the songs sound similar to me, so even though I like it I don't go after it to much.


I'd like to ask everyone a few questions.

What was the band you heard that got you into metal?

What is your favorite metal band?

What is your favorite metal album?



I could easily answer this Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, but instead I'll go with Black Sabbath, Bal-Sagoth, and ...uh The Art of War. don't really listen to things in albums...

Makensha
2012-01-18, 01:30 PM
1) Demon Hunter

2) Rhapsody of Fire

3) As the World Bleeds by Theocracy

Hawkfrost000
2012-01-18, 02:03 PM
1) Disturbed

2) Nightwish

3) Once by Nightwish

DM

cleric_of_BANJO
2012-01-18, 09:39 PM
I could easily answer this Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, Black Sabbath, but instead I'll go with Black Sabbath, Bal-Sagoth, and ...uh The Art of War. don't really listen to things in albums...

I'm about to tell you something that will improve the way you look at music for the rest of your life. LISTEN TO ALBUMS. You don't know what you're missing until you do. Beside the fact that if you don't, you miss a lot of the great underrated tracks, but also, there are some kinds of music you can only listen to as albums.

As for the questions...

1. Iron Maiden. Specifically, Fear of the Dark. That song specifically was like a spark in a gas tank for me; after that, there was no turning back.

2. So tough. I'm gonna say Black Sabbath, but Maiden is a close second.

3. Not so tough. Black Sabbath's Paranoid.

Man, I like making top 10's a lot more than just one band... Saying Paranoid is my favorite album in no way represents my taste of music.

Triscuitable
2012-01-18, 09:47 PM
To add to my earlier statement, I forgot to add that I can't decide between Ride the Lightning and Rust in Peace.

Zocelot
2012-01-19, 01:49 AM
Avenged Sevenfold, Anterior and Wintersun (the album).

Moff Chumley
2012-01-19, 01:50 AM
What was the band you heard that got you into metal?

What is your favorite metal band?

What is your favorite metal album?

1. Dream Theater. Shame. I haz it. :smallfrown:

2. Uh... Probably Kylesa. Loves me some Kylesa.

3. Static Tension, Kylesa.

Feytalist
2012-01-19, 02:28 AM
1. Dream Theater. Shame. I haz it. :smallfrown:

:/

Nothing wrong with Dream Theater. Scenes from a Memory is amazing.

And Train of Thought's In The Name of God has a ridiculously awesome guitar solo. Petrucci is a legend.

Marillion
2012-01-19, 07:00 AM
:/

Nothing wrong with Dream Theater. Scenes from a Memory is amazing.

And Train of Thought's In The Name of God has a ridiculously awesome guitar solo. Petrucci is a legend.

+1 to this.

For me:

1: My mother accidentally downloaded Black Dragon by Luca Turilli when she was looking for My Name Is Luca by Suzanne Vega. I was hooked, and so she downloaded the rest of Luca's discography, as well as Rhapsody's (as they were known then). My grandpa also liked them, and got me a CD full of Helloween cover songs because Rhapsody and Luca had contributed tracks to the CD. The rest is history.

2: Overall, I'd have to say Pain of Salvation. So versatile, so good.

3: At this very moment, angL by Ihsahn, tied with Prometheus: The Discipline of Fire and Demise by Emperor. I love me some Ihsahn. However, Luca's Kings of the Nordic Twilight will always have a special place in my heart.

Moff Chumley
2012-01-19, 10:45 AM
:/

Nothing wrong with Dream Theater. Scenes from a Memory is amazing.

And Train of Thought's In The Name of God has a ridiculously awesome guitar solo. Petrucci is a legend.

The first thread I made on GitP, something like five years ago, boiled down to "guys I love prog". I was a very, very different person back then. :smalltongue:
...not that I don't still appreciate a good prog tune. King Crimson's amazing, Yes still has some great stuff, Gentle Giant's amazing, but honestly, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer is silly. *sagenod*

Also, anyone heard Kowloon Walled City (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KwDf7wTrPw)? They're a little sludgy, a little thrashy, a bit punkish. Good San Francisco boys. I love my city. :smallbiggrin:

Gullintanni
2012-01-19, 10:56 AM
1. I started my metal career on Metallica. ...And Justice For All.

2. My favorite metal band today is probably Turisas, Amon Amarth or Metallica (obvious caveat is obvious:Old Metallica > New Metallica)

3. This is...an impossible question. There have been so many greats, and I really can't commit to one album. Metallica's S&M brought so much to the table. Master of Puppets was, is and always will be a genre defining classic. Turisas' The Varangian Way is a historical concept album describing my favorite historical warriors. The narrative is fantastic. The only reason it doesn't win outright is because it uses synth-orchestral elements, and I'm pretentious like that. :smalltongue:

On the subject of Dream Theater, how do people feel about Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? It's the album that got me into Dream Theater...back when I was a big prog fan.

Triscuitable
2012-01-19, 11:26 AM
1. I started my metal career on Metallica. ...And Justice For All.

2. My favorite metal band today is probably Turisas, Amon Amarth or Metallica (obvious caveat is obvious:Old Metallica > New Metallica)

3. This is...an impossible question. There have been so many greats, and I really can't commit to one album. Metallica's S&M brought so much to the table. Master of Puppets was, is and always will be a genre defining classic. Turisas' The Varangian Way is a historical concept album describing my favorite historical warriors. The narrative is fantastic. The only reason it doesn't win outright is because it uses synth-orchestral elements, and I'm pretentious like that. :smalltongue:

On the subject of Dream Theater, how do people feel about Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? It's the album that got me into Dream Theater...back when I was a big prog fan.

I love S&M. Hard to find nowadays (physically), but totally worth every penny.

Master of Puppets is easily one of their better albums. I just like Fight Fire With Fire, Ride the Lightning, Trapped Under Ice, For Whom the Bell Tolls, and Escape a little more than Battery, Master of Puppets, and Disposable Heroes. Though I do believe Disposable Heroes is the best song ever, right there next to Symphony of Destruction.

:smallconfused: I only say I love Symphony of Destruction because I've heard that song my entire childhood, and never once stopped to question who wrote it. I casually thought, "Hey! I could listen to Symphony of Destruction while I type this essay!" ... I'VE HEARD THIS EIGHTY TIMES BEFORE HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS WAS BY MEGADETH I LOVE THIS SONG :smallbiggrin:

Faulty
2012-01-19, 12:33 PM
I'd like to ask everyone a few questions.

What was the band you heard that got you into metal?

What is your favorite metal band?

What is your favorite metal album?

I can answer these all easily. Metallica, Megadeth, Ride the Lightning.

I skim the thread sometimes though don't post often, but I love these kind of questionnaires.

1) Mudvayne and Soilwork. Not proud of it.

2) Probably a tie between Deathspell Omega, Darkthrone and Panopticon.

3) Tie between Deathspell Omega's Fas - Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WayVS0gnBNc) and Panopticon's Collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0PjQyVQX0w). I'd easily give both albums 10/10 and if you disagree I will fight you grrrr.

Triscuitable
2012-01-19, 12:39 PM
I skim the thread sometimes though don't post often, but I love these kind of questionnaires.

1) Mudvayne and Soilwork. Not proud of it.

I don't hate Mudvayne. Then again, I've only heard one of their songs. 'Twas good though.

Faulty
2012-01-19, 01:02 PM
I don't hate Mudvayne. Then again, I've only heard one of their songs. 'Twas good though.

I just can't stand any music whose genre involves the words "Nu" or "Gothenburg".

Nameless
2012-01-19, 03:57 PM
So... Anyone else as exited about the new Eluveitie album as I am? :smallbiggrin:[/new subject]

Faulty
2012-01-19, 07:17 PM
Yes.

...since I can't say just 'yes' in a post.

I'll say it again.

Yes.

Brofist.

Brofist again.

Triscuitable
2012-01-20, 02:19 AM
Normally I loathe most black metal I've listened to, but for whatever reason all day I've been addicted to Mayhem's Deathcrush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfCHwsp9bSc) EP. Previously, the closest I've gotten to black metal that I enjoyed was Gallhammer, and I was pretty secure in saying that in general I don't like black metal.

OH GOD MY TASTE IN METAL MIGHT BE CHANGING

OH GOD

I used to like Alternative. Then punk. Then I heard a song one day on the radio (all I could remember was "just like the Pied Piper"), and I think my taste in music took a radical turn. I should note that I learned recently that the song was "Symphony of Destruction", and that I've been a metal fan longer than I thought. Hell, I should edit my original post, Megadeth introduced me to metal (WHEN I WAS 7)!

Feytalist
2012-01-20, 03:13 AM
On the subject of Dream Theater, how do people feel about Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? It's the album that got me into Dream Theater...back when I was a big prog fan.

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is... adequate. I've historically liked their more calm albums such as Scenes From a Memory, but I must say Octavarium is pretty good, and their new album, A Dramatic Turn of Events (the one without Portnoy), is surprisingly awesome. Six Degrees though... meh. Not bad, just not excellent.


So... Anyone else as exited about the new Eluveitie album as I am? :smallbiggrin:[/new subject]

I would submit that you cannot possibly be more excited than me :smallbiggrin: Although I'm really looking forward to their next acoustic album (called Evocation II, I'd imagine), I'm intrigued by Helvetios. Plus anything Eluveitie is automatically teh awesome.


Previously, the closest I've gotten to black metal that I enjoyed was Gallhammer, and I was pretty secure in saying that in general I don't like black metal.

My taste in black metal is a bit weird, I must say. I don't really like "true" black, i.e. second wave black metal, but first wave "extreme" metal like Bathory and Venom I like. And then third wave, Wolves in the Throne Room especially. Stuff like Agathodaimon, Borknagar, Samael, and then "post" black like Alcest or early Dornenreich as well.

Whoracle
2012-01-20, 04:55 AM
So, I just have to ask: Why no love for Gothenburg, Faulty and Comrade?

Granted, Soilwork have been thrown around earlier, and their contemporary stuff is rather meh, but there's so much good stuff that sadly flies under the radar.

Dark Tranquillity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4UXfZsrWs) are still doing what they always did, Nightrage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjINfktVHq0) are quite great, Cipher System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Tc7qJWTFk) are good, although not for long stretches, I'll give you that, Dimension Zero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Tc7qJWTFk) totally rocks, Carcass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7lP30tSZF0) old works still kick ass, even though they're not gothenburg, per se. I could go on...

... so I will:
Scar Symmetry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0p7Y3gND4)
Mors Principium Est (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKuzhIQ_wNE)
Hypocrisy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tK5uizJ2o)

Also, old works:
Soilwork (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yK4T5gLXz0)
In Flames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOmqi6gKQo)

Granted, the current trend of merging *core and melodeath (ie new In Flames, Soilwork) isn't for my tastes, too, but apart from the "mainstream" there's so much more "traditional" stuff that's quite great.

Gullintanni
2012-01-20, 07:37 AM
Normally I loathe most black metal I've listened to, but for whatever reason all day I've been addicted to Mayhem's Deathcrush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfCHwsp9bSc) EP. Previously, the closest I've gotten to black metal that I enjoyed was Gallhammer, and I was pretty secure in saying that in general I don't like black metal.

OH GOD MY TASTE IN METAL MIGHT BE CHANGING

OH GOD

I think this summarizes the common experience for most people who enjoy their metal. I don't think anybody just sticks to one genre. It's an evolving process.

On the subject of Black Metal, the only band I've ever really been able to enjoy is Satyricon, and even then, not all of it. I've never been a fan of that "lo-fi" sound that all these bands try to emulate with their bad production value. Satyricon's mostly pretty clean, and mostly pretty decipherable in terms of lyrics. That's important to me too.

Nameless
2012-01-20, 11:22 AM
I would submit that you cannot possibly be more excited than me :smallbiggrin: Although I'm really looking forward to their next acoustic album (called Evocation II, I'd imagine), I'm intrigued by Helvetios. Plus anything Eluveitie is automatically teh awesome.


Tru dat. They've never disappointed me in the past. (Although I'm all keen about their new video to be honest. It's far from bad, but not as awesome as what I would normally expect.)

On the subject of Black Metal, I find that 90% of Metalheads who say they don't like it just haven't listened to enough of it. :smalltongue: It's a very diverse sub-genre.

Gullintanni
2012-01-20, 11:33 AM
On the subject of Black Metal, I find that 90% of Metalheads who say they don't like it just haven't listened to enough of it. :smalltongue: It's a very diverse sub-genre.

Suggestions please! I've heard a lot of black metal but it's all suffused with that lo-fi, blast-beat...awfulness.

Faulty
2012-01-20, 12:22 PM
So, I just have to ask: Why no love for Gothenburg, Faulty and Comrade?

Granted, Soilwork have been thrown around earlier, and their contemporary stuff is rather meh, but there's so much good stuff that sadly flies under the radar.

Dark Tranquillity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4UXfZsrWs) are still doing what they always did, Nightrage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjINfktVHq0) are quite great, Cipher System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Tc7qJWTFk) are good, although not for long stretches, I'll give you that, Dimension Zero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Tc7qJWTFk) totally rocks, Carcass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7lP30tSZF0) old works still kick ass, even though they're not gothenburg, per se. I could go on...

... so I will:
Scar Symmetry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0p7Y3gND4)
Mors Principium Est (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKuzhIQ_wNE)
Hypocrisy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tK5uizJ2o)

Also, old works:
Soilwork (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yK4T5gLXz0)
In Flames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOmqi6gKQo)

Granted, the current trend of merging *core and melodeath (ie new In Flames, Soilwork) isn't for my tastes, too, but apart from the "mainstream" there's so much more "traditional" stuff that's quite great.

Gothenburg is, to me, death metal's poppy cousin. The feeling I get from it is just like, it's trying to be extreme but is really nothing but power metal with some thrashy rhythm guitars and growls. Honestly the growling style that pops in in Gothenburg too often just annoys the bejesus out of me (e.g. that of Soilwork's vocalist, or in Scar Symmetry, and I think the woman from Arch Enemy is pretty bad). It often has a very blue-printy feel to it (that whole "open with two melodic leads" thing is like yech for me). Plus the whole "Gothenburg" bit just reminds me that, around the time the genre was coming into being, Sweden was also pumping out stuff like Like an Everflowing Stream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ZCAarIVSI), The Spectral Sorrows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDD-o1unirY), Clouds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HHbl3-YOjE), Into the Grave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTad4_clj-I), Where No Life Dwells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqKAorZxtpA) and Left Hand Path (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdL-wNwXPCg), which I'd much rather listen to because it's dark and extreme and amazing. Not to mention I prefer Carcass circa 1989 when they were doing stuff like Symphonies of Sickness. If I want something poppy, I can always listen to Girls' Generation. :smalltongue:


Suggestions please! I've heard a lot of black metal but it's all suffused with that lo-fi, blast-beat...awfulness.

Bone Awl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4w-GVFJ0YA).

Gullintanni
2012-01-20, 12:25 PM
Bone Awl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4w-GVFJ0YA).

Just...as an aside, this thread makes me wish I had access to YouTube at work. :smallannoyed:

Faulty
2012-01-20, 01:11 PM
Just...as an aside, this thread makes me wish I had access to YouTube at work. :smallannoyed:

It was actually a joke, haha. Bone Awl is about as lo-fi as lo-fi BM gets. In all honestly though, I think Bosse-de-Nage's II is an absolutely lovely black metal album with a decent production. The minimalist nature of the vinyl release is also fantastic. I really love the packaging on both the CD and vinyl in general. I also have a test pressing of the vinyl. It's kinda gratuitous. :smalltongue: Deathspell Omega's Fas and Paracletus have very sharp production as well.

zeratul
2012-01-20, 02:01 PM
I would submit that you cannot possibly be more excited than me :smallbiggrin: Although I'm really looking forward to their next acoustic album (called Evocation II, I'd imagine), I'm intrigued by Helvetios. Plus anything Eluveitie is automatically teh awesome.


Seconded, these guys are made of win. Having seen them live three times too I can safely say they know how to put on a really energetic performance too. I for one really like their new single as well, has an interesting sort of Eluveitie meets gothic metal vibe and seems verry firmly rooted in traditional celtic fair which I always appreciate. Plus all of the Eluveitie stuff heavily featuring Anna Murphy ends up pretty uniformly kicking about 20% more ass than is normal even for Eluveitie

Nameless
2012-01-20, 06:06 PM
Suggestions please! I've heard a lot of black metal but it's all suffused with that lo-fi, blast-beat...awfulness.

I'll try and list a bunch of bands with different sounds.
Gallowbraid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVATLAuYWU)
Agalloch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ih3JVrRPE)
(both those bands have a similar sound actually, but I thought I'd mention both of them as they're both awesome :smalltongue:)
Alcest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc3QnyGQMc8)
Austere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_c0hgCF33I&feature=related)
Sienbenburgen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaPNl49918A)
Mirzadeh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgP1gGfdAsI)
Wolfchant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvU-iuN9OOQ)
Onryo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hlv7hqJGXA&feature=related)
Dominia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD08DImQyXY)
Winterhorde (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw509Yjzevw)
Dornenreich (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBb2ZqcZr2o&feature=related)
Coldworld (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSe4MRpesG4&feature=related)

Faulty
2012-01-20, 08:22 PM
It seems to be limited just to that particular release by Mayhem for whatever reason. :v

As far as black metal, previously all I've really heard were bands like Satyricon, Darkthrone (before they went crust punk, which was the only stuff by them I liked), Mayhem, and of course Burzum, Bathory, and Venom. Couldn't claim any of it really appealed to me though.

The only other Mayhem release with that style (besides Out from the Dark, Live in Leipzig and Dawn of the Black Hearts, if you count it) is Pure ****ing Armageddon, and that pushes the limits of a lot of people's taste for lo-fi. Honestly, I think Deathcrush is Mayhem's best official release, though my favorite Mayhem "album" is actually the Dawn of the Black Hearts bootleg.

Also this is a total nitpick but the whole "Darkthrone are crust" thing drives me crazy as someone who loves Darkthrone and has listened to a decent bit of Crust. Really, they sound like they're channeling Motorhead more than anything. They have some punk and D-beat feel to them, but I think they actually display much more heavy and speed metal influences.

What sort of music do you like? As in, you into melodies, short songs, epic songs, whatever.


Agalloch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ih3JVrRPE)
(both those bands have a similar sound actually, but I thought I'd mention both of them as they're both awesome :smalltongue:)
Alcest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc3QnyGQMc8)

Agalloch aren't really BM and Alcest are shoegaze, so if you're trying to get him into BM, I wouldn't start there.

Just a pair of random suggestions: Heimdalls Wacht (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaA1j9HzN-M) and Odal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeO3kaLPsZc).

Faulty
2012-01-20, 09:17 PM
Given crust punk's nature as a hybrid of metal and punk, Faulty, I would say the fact that it displays both...well, punk and metal characteristics, seems to characterise it as crust. But that doesn't really matter. I enjoyed their later releases more than their previous black metal releases.

As to what sort of metal I like, I'm mostly into death metal, as well as thrash, grindcore, and some doom metal. For the most part I like my metal fast, aggressive, and heavy.

Metal and punk have met so many times that saying it's punky and metally could mean anything from sludge to crossover to speed metal. :smalltongue: Most crust takes its core tips from anarcho-punk. More metal infused crust is specifically characterized as stenchcore (http://www.last.fm/tag/stenchcore) and blackened crust (http://www.last.fm/tag/blackened%20crust), the latter of which is more Iskra (www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5xhw-T-DIE) and less Darkthrone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkPyrtqxgF4). That Darkthrone song is very 80s heavy/speed metal-y with a punk edge in stuff like the D-beat drumming.

Anyway, a few things that maybe would suit you: Blasphemy (www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6kh37y8B3M), Blasphemophagher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSXlEn4bPL0), Funeral Mist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMtsYWkyouY), Corpuss Christii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14-JXv-fjCk), and Ascension (www.youtube.com/watch?v=6woXAJEYxw0) may suit you.

Marillion
2012-01-20, 11:09 PM
RE: Black Metal
Liar of Golgotha (www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuRKfnCsdU)
Ihsahn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GpfD7G310)
Emperor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj8hs-Q0GyM[/url)
Woods of Ypres (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3q6F25CsAo)

RE: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, I will echo Feytalist's opinion... on the first CD. The second, in my opinion, is one of the best things they've ever done. It was nothing short of glorious live (If you look hard enough, you may see me on the Score DVD :smallbiggrin:)

Triscuitable
2012-01-20, 11:41 PM
RE: Black Metal
Liar of Golgotha (www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuRKfnCsdU)
Ihsahn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GpfD7G310)
Emperor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj8hs-Q0GyM[/url)
Woods of Ypres (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3q6F25CsAo)

RE: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, I will echo Feytalist's opinion... on the first CD. The second, in my opinion, is one of the best things they've ever done. It was nothing short of glorious live (If you look hard enough, you may see me on the Score DVD :smallbiggrin:)

I really like that first one. It's my favorite kind of beat, the "rise and fall" fret chain.

Does anyone remember the time Dave Mustaine cameod on Duck Dodgers?

eyeofsaulot
2012-01-21, 01:26 AM
On the subject of Black Metal, the only band I've ever really been able to enjoy is Satyricon, and even then, not all of it. I've never been a fan of that "lo-fi" sound that all these bands try to emulate with their bad production value. Satyricon's mostly pretty clean, and mostly pretty decipherable in terms of lyrics. That's important to me too.

I give you Helrunar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjN4y5vWOwM). They have clean production, yet are unabashedly black metal. The lyrics might pose a problem for you, being in German. Pretty decipherable if you do know the language. On a side note, this song is off of one of my favorite releases of 2011, Sl.

Cobalt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjwEa560bM), however, has some of the most intriguing lyrics I've heard in a while, and they are generally easy to make out, especially if youve taken the time to look at the lyrics at least once. Not strict black metal for sure, but it's more black metal than it is any other genre.


Does anyone remember the time Dave Mustaine cameod on Duck Dodgers?

That may have been a terrible show, but I love that episode.

grimbold
2012-01-21, 03:27 AM
So... Anyone else as exited about the new Eluveitie album as I am? :smallbiggrin:[/new subject]

theres a new one coming out?

WHEN?

also

does metallica still do the snake pit?

Triscuitable
2012-01-21, 03:51 AM
does metallica still do the snake pit?

I wish. Those were the coolest things ever. I mean, I wasn't ALIVE for them, but my uncles were. Conveniently, both of them were fans (Soundgarden and Metallica were IN), and the younger(est) one was into Weird Al.

They describe it as a halo of awesome above your head.

Nameless
2012-01-21, 05:31 AM
Agalloch aren't really BM and Alcest are shoegaze, so if you're trying to get him into BM, I wouldn't start there.

Just a pair of random suggestions: Heimdalls Wacht (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaA1j9HzN-M) and Odal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeO3kaLPsZc).

(God, I hate getting into these genre discussions so very much)

Agalloch have a lot of different elements in their music. The main two Metal elements are Doom Metal and Black Metal, I would argue more Black then Doom, but you can think otherwise. Either way, there's a lot of Black Metal elements in their music. To say there isn't is... well... silly.
Alcest mix Shoegaze with Black Metal. The genre is sometimes referred two as "Black Metal Shoegaze" or "Blackgaze". Granted, some of their songs lean more towards the Shoegaze side then the Black Metal side, but the song I linked has strong Black Metal influences, especially in the guitars.
As I said in my post, I was listing bands with different sounds to try and present many different sides of Black Metal and how it can be used. The list as a whole is a pretty decent place to start, I think. Just because Alcest aren't pure grim kvlt, doesn't make them any less valid as an example of Black Metal. You'll find that they're actually highly respected among many Black Metal fans. They have their share of screaming and (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYz0Cq7pKP8&feature=related) hollering songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE309orsgSA&feature=related) too, of course.

Faulty
2012-01-21, 11:26 AM
(God, I hate getting into these genre discussions so very much)

Agalloch have a lot of different elements in their music. The main two Metal elements are Doom Metal and Black Metal, I would argue more Black then Doom, but you can think otherwise. Either way, there's a lot of Black Metal elements in their music. To say there isn't is... well... silly.
Alcest mix Shoegaze with Black Metal. The genre is sometimes referred two as "Black Metal Shoegaze" or "Blackgaze". Granted, some of their songs lean more towards the Shoegaze side then the Black Metal side, but the song I linked has strong Black Metal influences, especially in the guitars.
As I said in my post, I was listing bands with different sounds to try and present many different sides of Black Metal and how it can be used. The list as a whole is a pretty decent place to start, I think. Just because Alcest aren't pure grim kvlt, doesn't make them any less valid as an example of Black Metal. You'll find that they're actually highly respected among many Black Metal fans. They have their share of screaming and (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYz0Cq7pKP8&feature=related) hollering songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE309orsgSA&feature=related) too, of course.

Agalloch has some black metal elements but they're so much of a genre blend I think putting them into a black metal list is a disservice to the list (doesn't really present a good idea of what black metal sounds like) and Agalloch (by suggesting that they fit into a single genre and not like... "Agalloch" as their genre).

Re: "Blackgaze", though. Seriously, that is not a genre, unless you count shoegaze/dream pop with harsh vocals and an excess of tremolo picking black metal. Alcest has been a purely dream pop/shoegaze band since Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde. I've also listened to their entire discography disregarding the split with Les Discrets, the Le Secret rerelease, and the "Autre Temps" single (Tristesse Hivernale is my favorite release derpin derpin), a fair bit of dream pop/shoegaze and a lot of black metal. Alcest's full lengths are in no way black metal. cailles de Lune lean towards BM at times, but they are primarily dream pop/shoegaze. Kvlt or not, good or not (and despite my bias against Neige), they simply aren't black metal.

grimbold
2012-01-21, 11:35 AM
I wish. Those were the coolest things ever. I mean, I wasn't ALIVE for them, but my uncles were. Conveniently, both of them were fans (Soundgarden and Metallica were IN), and the younger(est) one was into Weird Al.

They describe it as a halo of awesome above your head.

one more reason to hate on metallica :smallmad:

Nameless
2012-01-21, 11:58 AM
Agalloch has some black metal elements but they're so much of a genre blend I think putting them into a black metal list is a disservice to the list (doesn't really present a good idea of what black metal sounds like) and Agalloch (by suggesting that they fit into a single genre and not like... "Agalloch" as their genre).

That's... not what I said. I said that my list was there to present different sounds within the Black Metal genre. I said that that Agalloch have different elements in their music. I said that they have a lot of Black Metal elements in their music. Almost every band in the world has elements from different genres, including every band I put on the list. In fact most genres are created by blending other genres that already exist, so you can't really separate Black Metal to other genres when talking about it as if it's some sort of pure element. It doesn't mean Agalloch are a disservice to list, quite the opposite in fact. It says "Look what you can do with Black Metal when combined with Doom and Folk and other styles." No band in my list has one pure "Black Metal" sound. Every one of them is a mix of many different musical elements.

Winterhorde have Symphony.
Wolfchant have Folk and Melodeath.
Onryo have Shoegaze.
Dominia have Doom, Symphony and Melody.
Dornenriech are Avant Garde and have Folk.

Are these bands also a disservice to the list? Because that would leave me with very few bands that I would be able to mention...


Re: "Blackgaze", though. Seriously, that is not a genre, unless you count shoegaze/dream pop with harsh vocals and an excess of tremolo picking black metal. Alcest has been a purely dream pop/shoegaze band since Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde. I've also listened to their entire discography disregarding the split with Les Discrets, the Le Secret rerelease, and the "Autre Temps" single (Tristesse Hivernale is my favorite release derpin derpin), a fair bit of dream pop/shoegaze and a lot of black metal. Alcest's full lengths are in no way black metal. cailles de Lune lean towards BM at times, but they are primarily dream pop/shoegaze. Kvlt or not, good or not (and despite my bias against Neige), they simply aren't black metal.

Right, and who are you to decide that Black Metal Shoegaze isn't real? Every genre is as real as the next, they're all made up and they're all simply their as an easy way of describing music styles. Blackgaze is as real as every other silly sub-genre. At no point did I say that Alcest were Black Metal, I'm simply saying that a lot of they're music has strong Black Metal influences and that they're quite a big part of the Black Metal scene. Just because their music isn't pure Black Metal doesn't mean that they shouldn't be brought up when discussing the genre. They're a good example of how Black Metal can be used in a non-traditional way and showing that not all Black Metal consists of distant guitars and blast beats.

eyeofsaulot
2012-01-21, 01:12 PM
Agalloch have a lot of different elements in their music. The main two Metal elements are Doom Metal and Black Metal, I would argue more Black then Doom, but you can think otherwise. Either way, there's a lot of Black Metal elements in their music. To say there isn't is... well... silly.

Maybe it was that particular Agalloch example that didnt work for the discussion at hand. Ashes Against the Grain is easily their least black metal-influenced album and the hardest for genre-taggers to put a label on. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIVluxcXNs) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N94ol8IoqDo) may be more appropriate Agalloch examples.

Faulty
2012-01-21, 02:43 PM
Agalloch shenanigans.

I understand that a load of BM bands have varying influences, I simply meant that their variety of influences and unique nature make them not particularly indicative of black or folk or doom metal.


Maybe it was that particular Agalloch example that didnt work for the discussion at hand. Ashes Against the Grain is easily their least black metal-influenced album and the hardest for genre-taggers to put a label on. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIVluxcXNs) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N94ol8IoqDo) may be more appropriate Agalloch examples.

All I've heard is Ashes and their Neofolk album, which explains a bit. Ashes is a really unique album and it always confused me as to why they got called BM.



Right, and who are you to decide that Black Metal Shoegaze isn't real? Every genre is as real as the next, they're all made up and they're all simply their as an easy way of describing music styles. Blackgaze is as real as every other silly sub-genre. At no point did I say that Alcest were Black Metal, I'm simply saying that a lot of they're music has strong Black Metal influences and that they're quite a big part of the Black Metal scene. Just because their music isn't pure Black Metal doesn't mean that they shouldn't be brought up when discussing the genre. They're a good example of how Black Metal can be used in a non-traditional way and showing that not all Black Metal consists of distant guitars and blast beats.

Black metal is one of the most varied and complex genres in metal. It just so happens that Alcest is a dream pop/shoegaze band that very rarely have some black metal influences that is mainly connected to the metal scene due to Alcest's early black metal material, his being in Peste Noire, etc. Plenty of non-black metal bands/projects/whatever are connected to the metal scene, but not actually metal. I say blackgaze is not a thing because "blackgaze" bands are just Alcest inspired dream pop bands with with some growling (e.g. Sleeping Peonies, who are actually really cool). Really though what it boils down to is that Alcest not fitting in to black metal really makes them a poor choice for a recommendation if you're trying to get someone into black metal. :smalltongue:

Nameless
2012-01-21, 03:47 PM
I understand that a load of BM bands have varying influences, I simply meant that their variety of influences and unique nature make them not particularly indicative of black or folk or doom metal.



All I've heard is Ashes and their Neofolk album, which explains a bit. Ashes is a really unique album and it always confused me as to why they got called BM.

I never said that they were indicative to one genre. I actually said, more then once, that their music has a elements from many different styles and genres. I'm not sure why I keep having to repeat this.



Black metal is one of the most varied and complex genres in metal. It just so happens that Alcest is a dream pop/shoegaze band that very rarely have some black metal influences that is mainly connected to the metal scene due to Alcest's early black metal material, his being in Peste Noire, etc. Plenty of non-black metal bands/projects/whatever are connected to the metal scene, but not actually metal. I say blackgaze is not a thing because "blackgaze" bands are just Alcest inspired dream pop bands with with some growling (e.g. Sleeping Peonies, who are actually really cool). Really though what it boils down to is that Alcest not fitting in to black metal really makes them a poor choice for a recommendation if you're trying to get someone into black metal. :smalltongue:

Using Alcest as the only example would be a bad way to introduce someone to Black Metal, yes. However, putting them in a list along with several other bands (like I did) is a pretty good thing to do the way I see it because it shows diversity. But then, if you could only use one band to describe the genre, who would you choose? As you've mentioned, Black Metal is a very complex and varied genre*, I don't think I could ever choose just one band.

You say Alcest don't really have any Black Metal influences in their music, plenty of people would disagree with you, but I don't think there's much I can say that will change your mind because, well, that's your opinion and what-not and you seem pretty set in stone about it. Which takes me to your next point about Blackgaze bands. Again, there isn't much I can say that will change your mind, but saying that they're all just "Alcest inspired Dream Pop bands with some growling" or that there's no Black Metal involved is, quite frankly, a little ignorant.

*Exactly, Black Metal is a complex and varied genre. Which is why you need to present many different examples of how it's used, like with Alcest and Agalloch, instead of just what it is by pointing out bands that fall into the genre more stereotypically.

Faulty
2012-01-21, 04:02 PM
You can show diversity in black metal with actual black metal bands. :smalltongue: You can show diversity with just the early Norwegian bands, who made some of the best and most diverse black metal ever.

Nameless
2012-01-21, 04:43 PM
You can show diversity in black metal with actual black metal bands.

Yes, I did that. :P

Faulty
2012-01-21, 05:21 PM
Yes, I did that. :P

All I can say is Alcest ain't BM.

Marillion
2012-01-22, 03:30 PM
Well, it seems that David Gold, founder of Woods of Ypres, died last month in a car accident.

Maaaaaaaaaaaan. (www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFfZYyOgjhM)

Mythestopheles
2012-01-22, 11:54 PM
All I can say is Alcest ain't BM.

The guitars from 1:00-2:00, and 2:30 from This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLN9TVeJ49s) video would disagree with you. Vocals do not Black Metal make.

Feytalist
2012-01-23, 03:38 AM
This is quite an interesting thought, actually. What sort of music does a band have to make to be included in a certain genre?

Black metal is obviously associated with a certain vocal style and a certain use of instruments in some combination, (as well as a certain outlook and style, but bands such as Wolves in the Throne Room and unblack metal and such have subverted that point to hell and back) but with what degree of accuracy?

For example, my best example of black metal vocals isn't even from a black metal band. (For reference, it's Ville Sorvali of Moonsorrow. That man's screams are godly.) The black influences in bands such as Alcest and Agalloch (and even Dargaard, which isn't even metal) are obvious, so why shouldn't they be included under the black umbrella? Should we rather invent new fusion genres for every band? I don't even know what postgaze shoeblack is.

For the record (and just to confuse everything further) I don't think of Alcest as black metal. When I want to listen to black metal, I'm putting on Vreid or similar. But when black metal is discussed (as it has been, here) then it's only fair to throw Alcest, Agalloch and bands like them into the mix. The many black metal influences are there, after all.

Faulty
2012-01-23, 11:25 AM
The guitars from 1:00-2:00, and 2:30 from This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLN9TVeJ49s) video would disagree with you. Vocals do not Black Metal make.

Tremolo picking and fuzzy guitars show up in shoegaze all the time. The closest Alcest's shoegaze/dream pop work has gotten to black metal, disregarding typically black metal vocals at times, is a few parts in either "cailles de Lune" part I or II. I don't remember which and I can't be arsed to pause Filosofem to figure it out.


I feel that they kinda do. I don't confess to know very much about black metal nor enjoy it in general, but two songs with sections in which the guitars sound like typical black metal fare don't make it black metal either, I should think.

This is also true. It's not rare for bands/artists to have parts of songs where there are similarities to other genres, or are flat out representative of other genres. That doesn't make the band proper or even necessarily the song that genre. Ultimately genre is a way of describing an assortment of music with a similar sound so that communication regarding them can happen on a certain level. It's a means of categorization, and if something doesn't fall within the defined boundaries then including them in it defeats the purpose of categorizing them.


For the record (and just to confuse everything further) I don't think of Alcest as black metal. When I want to listen to black metal, I'm putting on Vreid or similar. But when black metal is discussed (as it has been, here) then it's only fair to throw Alcest, Agalloch and bands like them into the mix. The many black metal influences are there, after all.

There really aren't though, re: Alcest. I listen/have listened to black metal (a LOT of it) and to shoegaze/dream pop, and know many others who do/have, and they all agree with me. :smallsigh: They are certainly connected to the metal scene, but so is Mortiis and he makes dark ambient.

Flechair
2012-01-23, 04:49 PM
It's funny. My first day on GitP in something like 6 months and you're debating Agalloch, one of my all time favorite bands. I even saw them live for my birthday back in October.

To completely change up the topic, what did you guys think of the new Cynic EP?

Triscuitable
2012-01-23, 09:38 PM
I used to find it hard to enjoy Some Kind of Monster. I guess my iPod was glitchy, because the song I remember as SKoM is "Dirty Window". This song has the second most awesome buildup of any Metallica song. The first is easily Battery.

I want to put this up to debate. And to avoid this being like my last post, i.e., "Answer these four questions", I want to debate with everyone what they believe is the best buildup to any Metal song, period.

Flechair
2012-01-23, 09:57 PM
To be honest I don't like the new direction Cynic has been going. As far as I'm concerned Focus was the pinnacle of their achievement and the more and more they've distanced themselves from the metal aspects of their music the less I like it.

I can agree with you about how they seem to be distancing themselves from their original sound, but unlike you I really enjoy it. After about 5 times of listening to the EP, I decided that I loved it. I've listened to it probably 50 times now.


Didn't stop me from going to see them live a couple of months ago.

Me neither. I saw them in November. First time seeing them live, and I loved it.


I want to debate with everyone what they believe is the best buildup to any Metal song, period.

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpfz5Vnr-_A) is the first thing I thought of. I can't say it's the best or even my favorite, but I love this song, and I love this intro.

Marillion
2012-01-23, 10:55 PM
Best buildup? Well I don't know if it qualifies as the best, but I LOVE the opening of I, Monarch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOA_S7ly80g).

Triscuitable
2012-01-23, 11:13 PM
Holy ****.

Dude, I was just about to link that exact song in responce.

Seriously, what a fantastic buildup. Gets you pumped. "I'm READY FOR THIS SONG OF AWESOME!"

Feytalist
2012-01-24, 01:53 AM
...I want to debate with everyone what they believe is the best buildup to any Metal song, period.

Shadow Gallery - Cliffhanger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofSCaiQUCx0)

Shadow Gallery - Cliffhanger 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQaXwWKeM0)

Yes, that's two different songs. Shadow Gallery is a woefully unknown prog metal act. Not as heavy as other prog bands, but these songs especially are brilliantly constructed.

Vacant
2012-01-24, 03:28 AM
I have to say, I think black metal's genre boundaries have very little to do with sound in a lot of respects; it is a commonly held opinion in my experience, especially amongst kvlt kiddies, that Alcest is not black metal while it is sacrilege to say Akon Ktrh is not. Alcest, especially later, may sound more like a shoegaze band than a traditional black metal band, but Akon Ktrh sounds even less like a traditional black metal band than a lot of Alcest does. There's not much of anything wrong with this and plenty of other genres exist similarly; saying a band being is a punk band, or even a hardcore or anarcho-punk band says little to do nothing about its sound, nowadays.

Also, I second the vague distaste for Cynic's new direction.

Killer Angel
2012-01-24, 03:44 AM
I want to debate with everyone what they believe is the best buildup to any Metal song, period.

Probably it's not the best, but my first thought was for Slayer - Hell Awaits.
Do you really need a youtube link? :smallcool:

Faulty
2012-01-24, 04:27 AM
I want to put this up to debate. And to avoid this being like my last post, i.e., "Answer these four questions", I want to debate with everyone what they believe is the best buildup to any Metal song, period.

Gonna go with two Panopticon songs. Either "The Death of Baldr and the Coming of War" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQRUOXqDI08) or the intro to Panopticon (http://youtu.be/eFveBKI3aNo), which is essentially an intro to the next song, "Flag Burner; Torch Bearer" and could easily simply be part of the latter.


I have to say, I think black metal's genre boundaries have very little to do with sound in a lot of respects; it is a commonly held opinion in my experience, especially amongst kvlt kiddies, that Alcest is not black metal while it is sacrilege to say Akon Ktrh is not. Alcest, especially later, may sound more like a shoegaze band than a traditional black metal band, but Akon Ktrh sounds even less like a traditional black metal band than a lot of Alcest does. There's not much of anything wrong with this and plenty of other genres exist similarly; saying a band being is a punk band, or even a hardcore or anarcho-punk band says little to do nothing about its sound, nowadays.

I have never, ever heard Akon Ktrh referred to as anything but dark ambient. Which they are. They're LLN, but calling them black metal would be basically sacrilege. :smalltongue: Black metal's sound has expanded (Bathory sounds different than Darkthrone who sound different than Deathspell Omega circa 2005 and on) but both BM and shoegaze (and dream pop, which Alcest's music frequently slips into more specifically) still have definite boundaries. One of my favorite parts of BM is how much it has expanded, and also how varied it was even in the early, formational years of the second wave (i.e. Norway from 1992-1996). Still, if it (or any other genre) doesn't have some boundaries, then genre ceases to have any importance. I can understand completely eschewing genre, as all categorization is ultimately a simplification, but if you're going to use "black metal", then you should like... talk about stuff that actually fits the BM sound. :smallwink:

Nameless
2012-01-24, 07:06 AM
This is quite an interesting thought, actually. What sort of music does a band have to make to be included in a certain genre?

Black metal is obviously associated with a certain vocal style and a certain use of instruments in some combination, (as well as a certain outlook and style, but bands such as Wolves in the Throne Room and unblack metal and such have subverted that point to hell and back) but with what degree of accuracy?

For example, my best example of black metal vocals isn't even from a black metal band. (For reference, it's Ville Sorvali of Moonsorrow. That man's screams are godly.) The black influences in bands such as Alcest and Agalloch (and even Dargaard, which isn't even metal) are obvious, so why shouldn't they be included under the black umbrella? Should we rather invent new fusion genres for every band? I don't even know what postgaze shoeblack is.

For the record (and just to confuse everything further) I don't think of Alcest as black metal. When I want to listen to black metal, I'm putting on Vreid or similar. But when black metal is discussed (as it has been, here) then it's only fair to throw Alcest, Agalloch and bands like them into the mix. The many black metal influences are there, after all.

We also have to remember that Black Metal has evolved a lot over the years. It's mixed and blended itself with many other genres and explored areas most other Metal genres haven't, to simply say that once it's done so, it is no longer associated with Black Metal is rather ignorant, I think. Alcest haven't simply changed from Black Metal to Shoegaze, they evolved, keeping many of their original Black Metal elements within their more recent Shoegaze material. For someone who isn't familiar with Black Metal, I can understand why they would say that they sound nothing like Black Metal, some of their material has no Black Metal elements at all. (Tir Nan Og (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwWxzgt3VnE) is one such example) But as big fan of BM and Shoegaze, I can a lot of elements from both genres in most of their songs.

Also, about vocals, some Black Metal these days actually usees clean vocals, which I think works rather well.
Austere have a rather beautiful song with clean vocals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m6i-kX4veg).

Triscuitable
2012-01-24, 08:33 AM
Probably it's not the best, but my first thought was for Slayer - Hell Awaits.
Do you really need a youtube link? :smallcool:

No, we don't, because the song is starting in my head right now.

ex cathedra
2012-01-24, 11:59 AM
If memory serves, I Am The Wooden Doors and Into The Painted Grey are Agalloch tracks with relatively prominent black metal leanings, at least as far as Agalloch are concerned. Still, neither of them are particuly good examples and Agalloch as a whole are generally quite removed from BM. Some people characterize them and bands like Drudkh as "dark metal" but I don't know if that's a thing though it feels hypocritical dismissing it like that when so many people don't believe that things like post-metal and sludge are genres.

Anyways, a band's sound changes over time. C'est la vie. It's true of Alcest, it's true of Katatonia, it's true of countless bands, and doing so doesn't change a band's genre, pre se, it just adds more to their repertoire.

Faulty
2012-01-24, 12:13 PM
Every supposed "black metal" touch in Alcest also shows up independently in shoegaze. There is not an iota of real black metal in Alcest's recent music. I have never heard a single person whose opinion on genre I would trust with my life classify recent Alcest as black metal, not even "blackgaze" (which is one of the worst portmanteaus in the history of existence).

Whoracle
2012-01-24, 06:41 PM
Anyways, a band's sound changes over time. C'est la vie. It's true of Alcest, it's true of Katatonia, it's true of countless bands, and doing so doesn't change a band's genre, pre se, it just adds more to their repertoire.

This is where I have to object. If Blind Guardian tuned their guitars down to C, got rid of the orchestral arrangements, played chugga chugga riffs and Hansi started to growl like Chris Barnes, they most definitely wouldn't count as a power metal band anymore.

IMHO, a band can go down two paths: They can evolve in their genre, and they can even evolve their genre (ex crossovers into other genres), or they can deviate from their genre and land in another one.

Compare Dark Tranquillity with In Flames. Both started out in the same genre, and both evolved along (roughly) the same track. But somewhen, In Flames started to change drastically. Compare any track from The Jester Race with one from Clay Man, and you can see: Yup, same band. Now compare Clay Man with something from Sounds Of A Playground Fading. They sound not even remotely similar. And don't even start to compare The Jester Race with Sounds Of A...

Same procedure for Dark Tranquillity:
Compare Skydancer to Haven - Yep, same band, same genre, just more "refined".
Compare Haven to Fiction - Yep, same band, same genre, just even more "refined".
Compare Skydancer to Fiction - Yep, same band, same genre, just drastically evolved.

Those are existing examples. I can come up with some really ridiculous imaginary ones, too, if you like.

Now, deviating from the genre one was put in earlier is not always bad, but a band can certainly completely change genres.

Makensha
2012-01-24, 07:22 PM
It would, however, be a vast improvement.

I just had to say it.

/awaits the hate

Uh, I hate in your general direction?

I've had too many people complain about my taste in music to get ticked off when someone disses (do people still use that word?) a band I like.

Oh, and I need Melodic Death suggestions.

Faulty
2012-01-24, 07:32 PM
This is where I have to object. If Blind Guardian tuned their guitars down to C, got rid of the orchestral arrangements, played chugga chugga riffs and Hansi started to growl like Chris Barnes, they most definitely wouldn't count as a power metal band anymore.

IMHO, a band can go down two paths: They can evolve in their genre, and they can even evolve their genre (ex crossovers into other genres), or they can deviate from their genre and land in another one.

Now, deviating from the genre one was put in earlier is not always bad, but a band can certainly completely change genres.

Very true and well said.

Moff Chumley
2012-01-24, 07:56 PM
It would, however, be a vast improvement.

I just had to say it.

/awaits the hate

Very true and well said.

Flechair
2012-01-24, 07:57 PM
Melodic Death suggestions.

In Flames and Dark Tranquility, as already said.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aJa87-wDA) are (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlZkihQk0z0) some (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eJZGTedU6o) more. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmENcnXtwSM)

ex cathedra
2012-01-24, 08:12 PM
This is where I have to object. If Blind Guardian tuned their guitars down to C, got rid of the orchestral arrangements, played chugga chugga riffs and Hansi started to growl like Chris Barnes, they most definitely wouldn't count as a power metal band anymore.

I don't think of bands as being a single or set series of genres. Albums are static once they've been recorded. The material on an album doesn't change. Albums have set genres.

Bands are different. They're a collection of people, and people change. Bands generally, and often, play a variety of genres. Making a new album doesn't discard all of their prior work. If a band makes a power metal album and a drone-doom album, they aren't just a power metal band, nor are they just a drone-doom band. They're a band who plays each of those genres, and likely several more.

This might just be you and I perceiving things differently, to be fair.

Flechair
2012-01-24, 09:15 PM
Start with the classic. Carcass' 'Heartwork' album.

Click on my 'more' link, man. :smallcool:

Flechair
2012-01-25, 01:11 AM
Just Buried Dreams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmENcnXtwSM) don't cut it! What about such headbangers as Arbeit Macht Fleisch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeds8qK6u8o), or This Is Your Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68rAA6epwM)? That solo on Carnal Forge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7cKViwhHcw)? Just...Blind Bleeding the Blind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NO1Wdp7Beo) in its entirety?

Hey, I was just linking it to start him on Carcass. I'm not going to tell him which songs to like by Carcass, but rather just show him their existence.

Killer Angel
2012-01-25, 02:55 AM
It would, however, be a vast improvement.


Or, at least, an interesting one. :smallwink:

Whoracle
2012-01-25, 03:02 AM
Oh, and I need Melodic Death suggestions.

From an earlier post of mine:


Dark Tranquillity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4UXfZsrWs) are still doing what they always did, Nightrage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjINfktVHq0) are quite great, Cipher System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Tc7qJWTFk) are good, although not for long stretches, I'll give you that, Dimension Zero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Tc7qJWTFk) totally rocks, Carcass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7lP30tSZF0) old works still kick ass, even though they're not gothenburg, per se. I could go on...

... so I will:
Scar Symmetry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0p7Y3gND4)
Mors Principium Est (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKuzhIQ_wNE)
Hypocrisy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61tK5uizJ2o)

Also, old works:
Soilwork (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yK4T5gLXz0)
In Flames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llOmqi6gKQo)

Feytalist
2012-01-25, 03:11 AM
I always like to point to Tiamat. They started out with some kind of blackened death, changed to doom after a few albums, with a few even going closer to prog rock than metal, all the way to gothic metal. Same band, a whole bunch of wildly differing genres. And just about everything they touch is excellent.



It would, however, be a vast improvement.

Blasphemy.

Faulty
2012-01-25, 11:08 AM
Very true and well said.

I like Nightfall in Middle Earth. D:


Blasphemy.

Great band, but they sound nothing like Blind Guardian. Or chuggy death metal vocals BG.

Moff Chumley
2012-01-25, 11:12 AM
Blasphemy.

Search your feelings. You know it to be true. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZKIujsFSHM)

eyeofsaulot
2012-01-25, 12:34 PM
If you're all so curious as to what Blind Guardian would sound like as a death metal band, I give you a death metal band covering Blind Guardian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sndJS1vnIOo).

grimbold
2012-01-25, 12:59 PM
my metal brethren

be ready to throw your spine out with REVOCATION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVWvjw4gCzg)

Triscuitable
2012-01-25, 08:48 PM
Hey everyone.

Have a laugh. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DesZAgEaV8o&feature=related)

That kid is a 12 year old troll in the making. Also, he clearly doesn't know the horribly depressing meaning of "Iron Man", if he thinks it's "happy".

What a little turd.

Faulty
2012-01-25, 09:22 PM
Search your feelings. You know it to be true. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZKIujsFSHM)

Maybe it's just nostalgia. Anyway, Blind Guardian aren't true metal. Only lo-fi underground Satanic black metal released in limited copies on vinyl or cassette is really worth listening to anymore.

Moff Chumley
2012-01-25, 10:06 PM
Technically speaking, isn't everything released on vinyl or cassette "limited copies"? :U


Hey everyone.

Have a laugh. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DesZAgEaV8o&feature=related)

This kid is a master troll. Look at those dislikes. :smallbiggrin:

Faulty
2012-01-25, 10:28 PM
Technically speaking, isn't everything released on vinyl or cassette "limited copies"? :U

Needs to be hand numbered in either under 100 or 666 copies. This is acceptable (http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Total_Genocide/Worship_Humanicide/134627), for example. "Format: CASSETTE TAPE limited to 66 copies (hand numbered)". If it's too available then the bands might not be obscure enough.

Moff Chumley
2012-01-25, 11:09 PM
Are there companies that'll do runs of 66 or 666? Or do bands just do runs of 100 or 1000 and hide the extras? Because I looked at like half a dozen manufacturers when my band was putting out or album and we totally woulda gone with a 666 run if we'd found someone offering one. :smallsigh:

Zocelot
2012-01-25, 11:23 PM
Oh, and I need Melodic Death suggestions.

Wheee, let's do this. I'm gonna give you a mix of bands that you've probably never heard of and bands that you may have heard of but still have to listen to.

Kalmah
Soulfallen
Be'Lakor
Deals Death
Mors Principium Est
Nightrage
Sylosis (Conclusion of an Age only)
Anterior
Destroy Destroy Destroy (Second album)
Imperanon
Amon Amarth
Dark Tranquillity
Dreamshade
Watch Me Fall
In Flames (Up to Clayman)

Each of those bands has my seal of approval. If you let me know what kind of MeloDeath you like, I can go into more detail and throw out some names that I don't personally like but you might.

Feytalist
2012-01-26, 01:52 AM
I like Nightfall in Middle Earth. D:

Everyone who doesn't is either lying or have no taste :smallbiggrin:

Also:


Great band, but they sound nothing like Blind Guardian. Or chuggy death metal vocals BG.

Ahaha. Hahahah. Ha.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/681/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg

Nameless
2012-01-26, 05:19 AM
Oh, and I need Melodic Death suggestions.

Norther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e7pw3Xnv7k), Norther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUwkvx4EZhA) and Norther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad5mzbNhAx4&feature=related). Oh, did I mention Norther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUUo9crSdf8)?
Children (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZhwCM88pA&feature=related) of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS2e0CA8afc) Bodom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhpnaZ0gUeQ)
Archeon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAV8ZskmcHU&feature=related)
Imperanon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4zv0qHeHVM&feature=related)
Followbane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z78OjLdKpLs)

Faulty
2012-01-26, 09:14 AM
Are there companies that'll do runs of 66 or 666? Or do bands just do runs of 100 or 1000 and hide the extras? Because I looked at like half a dozen manufacturers when my band was putting out or album and we totally woulda gone with a 666 run if we'd found someone offering one. :smallsigh:

I see runs of 66 and 666 all the time. Maybe it's just a black metal thing?

Moff Chumley
2012-01-26, 07:33 PM
I see runs of 66 and 666 all the time. Maybe it's just a black metal thing?

Right, but you have to wonder, what happened to the leftover copies?



Everyone who doesn't is either lying or have no taste :smallbiggrin:

Tasteless, reporting in. :smallcool:

Faulty
2012-01-26, 09:22 PM
Right, but you have to wonder, what happened to the leftover copies?

I swear to Satan, there have to be some places where you can get 66 or 666 or 88 (if you're NS pond scum), because it just happens way too often. Real talk.


Nightfall in Middle Earth has some pretty decent songs as far as power metal goes. Some of it might be nostalgia, as it was one of the metal albums I heard early into my metal listening career, back before I became possessed by black metal (ha ha).

Real talk.

Zocelot
2012-01-26, 11:25 PM
For a long time, there was a lot of hate towards Dragonforce in the metal community, starting right after Guitar Hero 3 came out. I know there are a few Dragonforce fans in the playground, and I am one myself. Is it generally accepted now that they're a decent band, if nothing spectacular?

Moff Chumley
2012-01-26, 11:28 PM
Maybe I'll start the metal equivalent of Diskmakers, and only do cassettes in runs of 666...
Actually, I don't think it'd take more than a good printer, a cassette recorder, a pair of scissors, and an ungodly amount of free time to get that set up. Two outta four ain't bad, I guess.


Comrade, we should start the Tasteless Club. None of the tasteful kids allowed. :smallcool:

Feytalist
2012-01-27, 02:18 AM
For a long time, there was a lot of hate towards Dragonforce in the metal community, starting right after Guitar Hero 3 came out. I know there are a few Dragonforce fans in the playground, and I am one myself. Is it generally accepted now that they're a decent band, if nothing spectacular?

Eh, I wouldn't know about Guitar Hero, but Dragonforce is one of those bands that don't take themselves overly seriously. Or used to, I kinda lost track of them for a few years. Anyway, their Sonic Firestorm album was pretty good, video game noises and all. Some nice solos in there as well.

Killer Angel
2012-01-27, 02:56 AM
Tasteless, reporting in. :smallcool:

You're a liar. :smalltongue:

Faulty
2012-01-27, 07:54 AM
For a long time, there was a lot of hate towards Dragonforce in the metal community, starting right after Guitar Hero 3 came out. I know there are a few Dragonforce fans in the playground, and I am one myself. Is it generally accepted now that they're a decent band, if nothing spectacular?

Unless they've learned to play their instruments and have stopped making wanky power metal, then I'd assume they are still pretty bad. :smalltongue:


Maybe I'll start the metal equivalent of Diskmakers, and only do cassettes in runs of 666...
Actually, I don't think it'd take more than a good printer, a cassette recorder, a pair of scissors, and an ungodly amount of free time to get that set up. Two outta four ain't bad, I guess.


Comrade, we should start the Tasteless Club. None of the tasteful kids allowed. :smallcool:

Can I start the Kvlt Auxillary division?

grimbold
2012-01-27, 06:15 PM
For a long time, there was a lot of hate towards Dragonforce in the metal community, starting right after Guitar Hero 3 came out. I know there are a few Dragonforce fans in the playground, and I am one myself. Is it generally accepted now that they're a decent band, if nothing spectacular?

the hate has calmed a bit

now its just the people who hate wanky power metal who don't like them which is more of a taste thing i guess...


in other news...
i'm going to be meeting kirk hammet and rory trujillo in may...

i'm considering 2 options...

a. kissing their boots

b. being a prog snob and making fun of kirk for 2 hours straight (Constant Wah much?)... and then taking a video and posting it to youtube...

Triscuitable
2012-01-27, 06:38 PM
the hate has calmed a bit

now its just the people who hate wanky power metal who don't like them which is more of a taste thing i guess...


in other news...
i'm going to be meeting kirk hammet and rory trujillo in may...

i'm considering 2 options...

a. kissing their boots

b. being a prog snob and making fun of kirk for 2 hours straight (Constant Wah much?)... and then taking a video and posting it to youtube...

I'll mail you my iPod if you can get Kirk to sign it. Of course, I'm heading to Gigantour. I must[aine] up you.

grimbold
2012-01-28, 03:21 AM
I'll mail you my iPod if you can get Kirk to sign it. Of course, I'm heading to Gigantour. I must[aine] up you.

we'll see...

i don't want you to go ipod-less for a while with no reward D:

Triscuitable
2012-01-28, 03:54 PM
we'll see...

i don't want you to go ipod-less for a while with no reward D:

...

I've got four.

An iPod Touch (main)
A broken iPod Classic (junk)
A used iPod Nano (ehh)
A first gen iPod Nano (pointless)

I'd send the latter three. You can keep one of them. :smallbiggrin:

Marillion
2012-01-28, 11:24 PM
To go back to that whole "best build-up" thing, digging out some Moonspell made me remember just how fantastic the introduction to At Tragic Heights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qETIGeMjw) is. Much of that is owed to Fernando's sexy, sexy voice. Seriously, if there were a way to marry just his voice...I'd do it.

On a somewhat related note, what's your favorite crushing, smash-in-the-door, "leave-that-wussy-build-up-out-of-this-and-get-straight-to-the-br00tality!" song? As an example, Silverback (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru4uTSYMiKI) by Made Out Of Babies. The first time I heard it, it almost literally knocked me over.