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BiblioRook
2011-12-23, 04:02 PM
Granted, as if 'From the Masterminds behind Jersey Shore" wasn't enough of a warning, this just sounds like a horrible idea. But I already said it's a reality show, so I guess I repeat myself.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/12/mtv_is_making_a_nerd_reality_show_and_no_one_is_st .php

I wonder just how much further back this will set the nerd stereotype?

‎"For this next challenge you have to start and maintain a conversation with a girl for five whole minutes... all without mentioning science fiction."

Bastian Weaver
2011-12-23, 04:17 PM
Hey, that's easy. I can talk about heroic fantasy for hours.

Starbuck_II
2011-12-23, 04:54 PM
If it wasn't for the video audition I might do it, though I'm probably not geeky enough.
I only get most of references in Big Bang (not all).

I wouldn't mind being on a reality tv show though (only because I've never been).

Eldan
2011-12-23, 05:06 PM
Honestly? if they are the Jersey Shore people they'll probably take the Big Brother approach and find the eight most aggressive, dysfunctional people they can find, then look them up in a house for several weeks. Probably make sure they are fat, acne-ridden and bespectacled as well.

So, since we all know that, let's talk about more challenges.

"For the next challenge, we have taken a light sabre used on the set of The Empire Strikes back, signed by George Lucas and placed it in this basin of oil. Four of our contestants will try to get it simultaneously."

JadedDM
2011-12-23, 05:25 PM
Yeah, you don't want to be on this show. Seems the only point to it is to mercilessly mock nerds and geeks.

Emmerask
2011-12-23, 06:25 PM
And here I thought the reality tv bs vomit stuff was finally coming to an (deserved) end next year :smallmad:

Weezer
2011-12-23, 06:28 PM
And here I thought the reality tv bs vomit stuff was finally coming to an (deserved) end next year :smallmad:

Whatever gave you that (admittedly glorious) idea?

BiblioRook
2011-12-23, 06:54 PM
If it wasn't for the video audition I might do it, though I'm probably not geeky enough.
I only get most of references in Big Bang (not all).

You wouldn't have a chance, only the trolliest of trolls or the most comically socially inept nerds would have a shot at getting on that show. You know, because that's all nerds are.

Soras Teva Gee
2011-12-23, 07:06 PM
Hmm how out of touch with geek culture will this be every one:

No Trek but TOS?

No other SF but Trek and the Lucas ****stable? (Frak it all just look at their recruiting add)

No fantasy not penned by Tolkien or Rowling?

All comics are from the Silver Age?

Stan Lee will appear to be an attention whore receive his "clearly deserved" worship and prove the show's geek cred?

No other SF but Trek and the Lucas ****stable?

"lol" is an example of hip internet culture?

No memes or anything even close to imageboard culture?

Ponies do not exist?

Cosplaying will consist only of the hot girl in Pricess Leia's bikini and someone as a Stormtrooper and Vader?

Anime will be naughty tentacles, or seizure causing robots?

No other SF but Trek and the Lucas ****stable?

Anime does not exist?

Fanfiction, fanart, do not exist?

MMOs other then WoW do not exist?

RPGs other than D&D do not exist?

No other SF but Trek and the Lucas ****stable?

D&D does not exist?


Though I suspect they will at least subvert the expectation that all geeks are fat white males that live in mommy's basement. Because heaven forbid unattractive people be acknowledged as existing. I can feel the anvils being dropped on my already there, can't you?

So you can have a carefully crafted cast of mostly white reasonably attractive males plus several females including the girl picked for no other reason then because she can pull off Leia's bikini. But of course can't challenge the ignorant too much so they will find a real life Sheldon clone somewhere out there.

Vacant
2011-12-23, 09:01 PM
This opportunity is being underrated, I feel. At least, I imagine it is, in that it pays more than whatever "real" job I'd get fresh out of school. I mean, look at the job market out there. I'd rather squander my talents on being the butt of televised jokes than punching cards at whatever nine-to-five black hole of misery and ennui awaits me as a "real job."

P.S. This post is sorta joking.

Starbuck_II
2011-12-23, 11:49 PM
Ponies exist?
D&D exist?

(edit your choices)
Be funny if these turn out to be what the geeks believe in.

I'd be happy if we had more Bronies in the herd. Better if they D&D playing Bronies on reality TV.
I'd laugh hard if one of them says, "this needs to be about 20% cooler."


This opportunity is being underrated, I feel. At least, I imagine it is, in that it pays more than whatever "real" job I'd get fresh out of school. I mean, look at the job market out there. I'd rather squander my talents on being the butt of televised jokes than punching cards at whatever nine-to-five black hole of misery and ennui awaits me as a "real job."

P.S. This post is sorta joking.

In this economy, you are lucky to get one of 9-5 jobs, I only got part time at Dairy Queen at moment. :smalltongue:

Soras Teva Gee
2011-12-24, 12:15 AM
(edit your choices)
Be funny if these turn out to be what the geeks believe in.

I'd be happy if we had more Bronies in the herd. Better if they D&D playing Bronies on reality TV.
I'd laugh hard if one of them says, "this needs to be about 20% cooler."

If they had even one brony on the show every pony would stampede to watch it. Stream it online and it would be a major ratings bump for the show. And truly the idea is of geek reality TV is not so bad. I for one welcome any vector to spread the glory of ponies.

By the same token though the far more likely lack of cute brightly colored ponies will only show how stereotypical and out of touch the show is.

(On a side note why'd you change Starbuck's gender there? :smallbiggrin:)

Dr.Epic
2011-12-24, 02:05 AM
Granted, as if 'From the Masterminds behind Jersey Shore" wasn't enough of a warning, this just sounds like a horrible idea. But I already said it's a reality show, so I guess I repeat myself.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/12/mtv_is_making_a_nerd_reality_show_and_no_one_is_st .php

I wonder just how much further back this will set the nerd stereotype?

‎"For this next challenge you have to start and maintain a conversation with a girl for five whole minutes... all without mentioning science fiction."

You know, when I first read the thread title, I was a little excited. Yeah, most* reality shows are bad, but hey, it's geek culture. How can you go wrong? If they're real geeks, at least the characters will be relatable for me. But if it's not made by people who know geek culture - Joss Whedon, Felicia Day, Sandeep Parikh - it's gonna be bad.

Plus PEOPLE WHO MADE THE JERSEY SHORE! You get out of here right now! You already ruined the reputation of my home state! You're not ruining the image of my social clique! I'll summon Peter Jackson, Joss Whedon, and 1977 George Lucas to kick you butts!

*By most I mean all:smallwink:**

**Okay, I don't really watch reality shows, but none of them actually look good enough to spend time watching and it's unreal situations and over-hyped drama.

Starbuck_II
2011-12-24, 11:33 AM
By the same token though the far more likely lack of cute brightly colored ponies will only show how stereotypical and out of touch the show is.

True. What if they get 4Chaner? I mean, I've never been but I think they are real.


(On a side note why'd you change Starbuck's gender there? :smallbiggrin:)

Original Battlestar Galactica Starbuck 4ever :smalltongue:

The Glyphstone
2011-12-24, 11:56 AM
If they had even one brony on the show every pony would stampede to watch it. Stream it online and it would be a major ratings bump for the show. And truly the idea is of geek reality TV is not so bad. I for one welcome any vector to spread the glory of ponies.

By the same token though the far more likely lack of cute brightly colored ponies will only show how stereotypical and out of touch the show is.

(On a side note why'd you change Starbuck's gender there? :smallbiggrin:)

Yeah, but by Jersey Shore logic, any brony who liked MLP would have to obviously be gay, and that'd become the sole defining aspect of the character after the third episode. Not sure if that'd end up being more offensive to bronies or gay people.

BiblioRook
2011-12-24, 01:32 PM
Yeah, I'ld really rather this show didn't get into the Bronie thing. Even among fandom as a whole I still consider it to be rather obscure/a passing fad/an inside joke, throw it in the general public's face and there will just be a ridiculous about of misinterpretation.
Not that rampant misinterpretations will be abound as is, part of me thinks that damage control should be more a concern then getting in a few laughs.

Traab
2011-12-24, 03:04 PM
Im thinking a collection of numa numa dancing boys, steve urkels, av room jedi knights, and WoW cartman style players will be involved. D&D was nerdy back in the 80s, obviously it doesnt still exist as hip nerd culture. Everquest, DAoC, Ultima Online, are all way too niche to get the understanding nod from mystified non nerds who watch the show, cant make fun of computer nerds, because computers arent pure nerd territory anymore. Every teenage boy and girl plays on the computer in this day and age. Gotta level up my farmville game demmit! They dont want the smart nerds so reading nerds arent part of it. They arent antisocial enough to blend in properly.

Kindablue
2011-12-24, 03:48 PM
I thought this was going to be about The Secret Stash (http://blogs.amctv.com/movie-blog/2011/09/amc-greenlights-secret-stash.php), a reality show that AMC's making that takes place in a comic book store.

super dark33
2011-12-24, 06:09 PM
Already done here in israel.
X pairs of a 'Nerd' and a 'hot chick' shoved in a villa.
Chicks need to do brain stuff while Nerds try to do 'manly' stuff.
Hilarity ensues.

Newman
2011-12-24, 06:46 PM
Whatever happened to "Twilight IN ISRAEL"?

Soras Teva Gee
2011-12-24, 07:03 PM
True. What if they get 4Chaner? I mean, I've never been but I think they are real.

I tend to think no /b/tard or Anon could stomach going on the show unless maybe he could wear his Guy Fawkes mask... as a /b/tard. An epic trolling opportunity by lying to the producers though well I'd not be suprised.

(Though I doubt the Guy Fawkes thing would make it past the producers, can't correct the delusion that Anonymous is a "group" according to respectable mainstream media and all)


Original Battlestar Galactica Starbuck 4ever :smalltongue:

Everyone old school BSG was way to frakking nice. :smalltongue:


Yeah, but by Jersey Shore logic, any brony who liked MLP would have to obviously be gay, and that'd become the sole defining aspect of the character after the third episode. Not sure if that'd end up being more offensive to bronies or gay people.

Yeah but they'll have a harder time finding one flamboyant enough for television then finding the girl for Leia's bikini. We might get lucky


Yeah, I'ld really rather this show didn't get into the Bronie thing. Even among fandom as a whole I still consider it to be rather obscure/a passing fad/an inside joke, throw it in the general public's face and there will just be a ridiculous about of misinterpretation.
Not that rampant misinterpretations will be abound as is, part of me thinks that damage control should be more a concern then getting in a few laughs.

Ponies are forever.

And I brought it up more to make a point about current geek culture, no other show has garned that sort of unexpected viral fame and devoted following since... Firefly maybe now a decade back? So including it would be one way to actually be relevant to where geekdom is now.

As opposed to you know retreading jokes that have been stale longer then most geeks have been alive.

pita
2011-12-24, 07:56 PM
Already done here in israel.
X pairs of a 'Nerd' and a 'hot chick' shoved in a villa.
Chicks need to do brain stuff while Nerds try to do 'manly' stuff.
Hilarity ensues.

That's a localized adaptation of Beauty and the Geek, though the Israeli version offers more extreme versions of both than the American. Where the American features idiotic beauties, the israeli one features the mentally disables. The American has 30 year old virgins, the Israeli ones have people with such an extreme lack of social skills it's a wonder they haven't been crucified. Mostly because the entire thing is staged and made more extreme.

Whatever happened to "Twilight IN ISRAEL"?
I don't know about this... there's a teen show called "Chatsuya (Torn in half, or split, no perfect translation for it)" about vampires, but I don't know if they sparkle. It has an awesome ad airing for it the past month though, that makes me kind of want to watch it despite the fact that it's vampire trash.

Moff Chumley
2011-12-24, 08:11 PM
Redditor is more likely than /b/tard, and probably more entertaining...

Lord Seth
2011-12-24, 08:22 PM
I don't know about this... there's a teen show called "Chatsuya (Torn in half, or split, no perfect translation for it)" about vampires, but I don't know if they sparkle. It has an awesome ad airing for it the past month though, that makes me kind of want to watch it despite the fact that it's vampire trash.What about it exactly makes you think it's "vampire trash"? You seem to indicate you don't know much about it (e.g. saying you don't know if the vampires sparkle) and admit the ad makes it look good, so I'm a little confused as to why/how you're pre-judging it in this manner.

pita
2011-12-24, 08:32 PM
Teen girls squeeing, ads before the latest ones (Which look incredibly stupid), and the fact that the production company is the kid's channel, which, with the exception of a sitcom ten years ago,has produced nothing I've ever had any intention of ever seeing. The newest ads simply feature the actors in a party being interviewed, and then murdered. SUPERNATURALLY!
But I'll admit perfectly well that I know a little bit less about it than I do Twilight, which means only by reputation and sibling osmosis. If it turns out to actually be something good, I'll be first to say here. As far as Israeli TV goes, my current favorite is a mafia series, but pretty soon I'm losing all of my free time so I'm not even really watching that. I can't think of any other Israeli production that matches an "Israeli Twilight" label.

Traab
2011-12-24, 09:10 PM
Is there an israeli mafia? I mean, we all hear about russian mafias, italian mafias, even triads and yakuza and such. Just wondering if there is a similar sort of organized crime in israel. I mean, im not sure how well protection rackets would work on a nation where almost everyone of age is a trained soldier/former soldier. (Im assuming since ive read the israeli military works off conscription)

Weezer
2011-12-24, 10:06 PM
Is there an israeli mafia? I mean, we all hear about russian mafias, italian mafias, even triads and yakuza and such. Just wondering if there is a similar sort of organized crime in israel. I mean, im not sure how well protection rackets would work on a nation where almost everyone of age is a trained soldier/former soldier. (Im assuming since ive read the israeli military works off conscription)

I know there used to be Jewish organized crime in NY City in the early/, though that was pre or just after Israel's formation, so I'm almost certain there was no connection there. Dunno if a similar thing formed in Israel, not up on the Israeli criminal element.

Darthteej
2011-12-25, 01:16 AM
Ponies are forever.

And I brought it up more to make a point about current geek culture, no other show has garned that sort of unexpected viral fame and devoted following since... Firefly maybe now a decade back? So including it would be one way to actually be relevant to where geekdom is now.

As opposed to you know retreading jokes that have been stale longer then most geeks have been alive.

If geeks make a coordinated enough effort(and by that I mean get /b/ or bronies in on it), they could gather together to find 8 people who look and act totally stereotypical, and upon the pilot they'd throw the act out the window and start talking about nothing but ponies and super-obscure anime.

Moff Chumley
2011-12-25, 02:43 AM
If geeks make a coordinated enough effort(and by that I mean get /b/ or bronies in on it), they could gather together to find 8 people who look and act totally stereotypical, and upon the pilot they'd throw the act out the window and start talking about nothing but ponies and super-obscure anime.

I think this format is appropriate given the subject matter:
>2011
>/b/ getting organized
georgecostanza.jpg

:smalltongue:

Darthteej
2011-12-25, 02:49 AM
I think this format is appropriate given the subject matter:
>2011
>/b/ getting organized
georgecostanza.jpg

:smalltongue:

...I've been off the internet too long, I don't get it.

EDIT: Know Your Meme.

pita
2011-12-25, 07:06 AM
Is there an israeli mafia? I mean, we all hear about russian mafias, italian mafias, even triads and yakuza and such. Just wondering if there is a similar sort of organized crime in israel. I mean, im not sure how well protection rackets would work on a nation where almost everyone of age is a trained soldier/former soldier. (Im assuming since ive read the israeli military works off conscription)
Well, first off, it's actually a much smaller number than is advertised that has combat training. A non-negligible percentage of the population avoids it for various reasons, and a larger one is non-combat.
Secondly, not everyone will have a gun. I'm not anywhere near an authority on Israeli gun laws, but they are definitely stringent.
The strongest crime family in Israel is the Abergil family.
Meh. I think anywhere there's crime, you'll find someone saying "You and you, go hit that guy for me."
Back on topic, I agree with coordinating. Someone start a thread on /b/ and the MLP fanboards, and fast. Flood the show with nerd submissions, each one more stereotypical than the rest.

Fiery Diamond
2011-12-25, 10:01 PM
(can't correct the delusion that Anonymous is a "group" according to respectable mainstream media and all)

I saw a reference to this somewhere else. Can someone explain it to me? I'm not the most informed of people when it comes to culture (pop or otherwise). What is this "Anonymous" that the media thinks is a group? I've only ever seen the term used as its definition would indicate.

Soras Teva Gee
2011-12-25, 10:35 PM
I saw a reference to this somewhere else. Can someone explain it to me? I'm not the most informed of people when it comes to culture (pop or otherwise). What is this "Anonymous" that the media thinks is a group? I've only ever seen the term used as its definition would indicate.

If you know Anon then you know that describing Anon as a "group" is fundamentally missing the point, because it is the exact polar opposite of a "group" or "organization"

The media thus far has consistently (to my knowledge) reported on Anonymous as a group where not well... worse.

Random_person
2011-12-25, 10:38 PM
If you know Anon then you know that describing Anon as a "group" is fundamentally missing the point, because it is the exact polar opposite of a "group" or "organization"

The media thus far has consistently (to my knowledge) reported on Anonymous as a group where not well... worse.

Group (n.): ... 2. A number of persons or things ranged or considered together as being related in some way.

So yes. They are a group, since they are considered together as being related in some way.

Newman
2011-12-25, 11:18 PM
To be precise, they are a set.

Soras Teva Gee
2011-12-25, 11:19 PM
Group (n.): ... 2. A number of persons or things ranged or considered together as being related in some way.

So yes. They are a group, since they are considered together as being related in some way.

Anonymous is no more a group then any group of people walking down a street. While one can indeed create a "random group" one should not ascribe it organization, leadership, cohesion, order, or ideology.

Put simply the dictionary definition is insufficient for its use in the political contexts I was referring too. Group as in "group of people on a bus" is so removed from "enviromental group", "activist group", or "domestic terrorist group" that it becomes rather meaningless nitpicking

Fiery Diamond
2011-12-26, 05:56 PM
I don't watch a lot of news or whatever, but you really mean to say that they are seriously ignorant enough to not realize that some person who says/posts/does something and has it attributed/signed/whatever as "Anonymous" is exactly the same as police referring to an anonymous tip? And instead act like it means they're part of a group?

*THUD!* *SMACK!*

That was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor followed by me smacking my forehead.

pffh
2011-12-26, 08:29 PM
Anonymous is no more a group then any group of people walking down a street. While one can indeed create a "random group" one should not ascribe it organization, leadership, cohesion, order, or ideology.

Put simply the dictionary definition is insufficient for its use in the political contexts I was referring too. Group as in "group of people on a bus" is so removed from "enviromental group", "activist group", or "domestic terrorist group" that it becomes rather meaningless nitpicking

I think you're looking for the word organization.

Fiery Diamond
2011-12-26, 10:05 PM
I think you're looking for the word organization.

If you use "group" in the broadest interpretation of the dictionary definition given above, "group" is an absolutely meaningless word.

Example: They're human beings! They live on Earth! That's related in some way! Two ways, in fact! They're a group!

Any selection of humans is a group, according to that definition, if you use the broad sense, just by virtue of them being able to be categorized. Clearly, when talking in these circumstances, that's not how we're using the word group. Saying "Anonymous" is a group and trying to discuss actions of anonymous people as somehow being related makes no more sense than trying to say "A Bald Person" is a group and discussing bald people's actions as being related.

Soras Teva Gee
2011-12-27, 12:49 AM
I think you're looking for the word organization.

Which is why I used it too.

However there is a consistent (mind you of a small sampling size) use of "the Anonymous group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29)" as synonymous for "the Anonymous organization" which should not be valid, but is consistent with the larger trends of language in everyday use whatever it should properly be.

And this sort of description/comparison is the exact opposite of Anon because anything conceptually centralized is missing the point. I'm not sure a precise word exists but its closer to culture or meme. At some level you can't identify a group who's singular trait is no identity.. I'm perhaps most satisfied with terming Anon a real life Stand Alone Complex to borrow from the Ghost in the Shell series.

Tyndmyr
2011-12-27, 12:00 PM
Honestly? if they are the Jersey Shore people they'll probably take the Big Brother approach and find the eight most aggressive, dysfunctional people they can find, then look them up in a house for several weeks. Probably make sure they are fat, acne-ridden and bespectacled as well.

So, since we all know that, let's talk about more challenges.

"For the next challenge, we have taken a light sabre used on the set of The Empire Strikes back, signed by George Lucas and placed it in this basin of oil. Four of our contestants will try to get it simultaneously."

Most likely.

I'm incredibly geeky. I could chat at length about all manner of obscure, geeky topics. However, I'm physically in decent shape and I'm socially competent. That would provide them with no drama and cheap fodder. Expect things like "this is the first time I've ever lived somewhere besides my parents basement. I'm 47."