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rewinn
2012-01-08, 01:15 AM
Of course, via divine or arcane magic, Team Evil could learn anything or everything.
But let's assume that they haven't bothered with any spellcasting we haven't seen or seen evidence of. It appears that interrogating undead doesn't yeild data from the time the body was living, since otherwise Resistance HQ would have been known long ago (not to mention the secret door Haley vanished through.)
Based on what we've seen or what we've seen Team Evil see, it seems to me Team Evil thinks:

* Haley is a major player in the Resistance, probably their most powerful combatant despite being a rogue (...and actually, a rogue is a very good model for Resistance combat)
* The Resistance had been getting a limited supply of magic weapons. It seems likely Redcloak's smart enough to know weapons smugglers exist.
* The Resistance had what it takes to knock over the prison hard and fast, and from that gained about 18 new members with class levels
* There's no evidence of major spellpower other than Darth V's raid. The raids for food indicate low divine caster levels. The disappearance of Darth V and O-Chul indicates some big time magic or some sort, but what?

The above assumes that Team Evil hasn't learned about Team Peregrine; it may be that the elves Redcloak just killed at Resistance HQ may be assumed to be locals. Let's hope the Resistance has no been careless enough to have "Property of the Elvish Army" sewn onto their breeches; it may be that Redcloak has relied on the Cloister to keep the Resistance limited to local personnel.

If the above analysis is correct, then Redcloak is not being completely imprudent in assaulting HQ on his lonesome; he's definitely more powerful than Haley especially give the choice of time to attack so's he can buff and summon critters. However it would be prudent for him to have backup on call in case his analysis was flawed, e.g. in case the Resistance had a high-level commando team from outside the Cloister on tap. But when has Redcloak ever made a mistake based on a flawed analysis?

Vahir
2012-01-09, 06:41 AM
Doesn't the spell which name eludes me stop anyone from scrying, team evil?

Thanatosia
2012-01-09, 06:49 AM
Coister, it's a custom epic spell we don't have rules for, so its hard to say.

zimmerwald1915
2012-01-09, 07:10 AM
The above assumes that Team Evil hasn't learned about Team Peregrine; it may be that the elves Redcloak just killed at Resistance HQ may be assumed to be locals.
There's a bunch of assumptions made in this post, but this is the most egregious since it contradicts actual in-comic evidence. Redcloak learns about Team Peregrine after the prison raid (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0708.html).

Kish
2012-01-09, 12:08 PM
Team Evil, which is to say Redcloak, knows the Resistance is now a Was.

Talyn
2012-01-09, 12:59 PM
What, just because they tracked down the headquarters and killed everybody inside they could catch?

It seems unlikely that the Resistance was so centralized that Redcloak's raid decapitated it. While Redcloak definitely won a major victory, the Resistance isn't over just yet.

zimmerwald1915
2012-01-09, 01:05 PM
What, just because they tracked down the headquarters and killed everybody inside they could catch?

It seems unlikely that the Resistance was so centralized that Redcloak's raid decapitated it. While Redcloak definitely won a major victory, the Resistance isn't over just yet.
That is a hunch on your part. It is certainly possible that the Resistance has other bases or safehouses, and it certainly has access to obscure tunnels. However, we don't know it does. Even if it does, Redcloak's swift elimination of this base will prevent information from getting back to the other cells until they miss a check-in (if they do that) and information on where and how to contact the other cells is probably lying around somewhere. This is all assuming that this wasn't Redcloak's last stop on the Resistance Eradication Tour.

We do know there's a Team Harrier that hasn't seemed to have left dead members lying around this cavern. Then again, we've never seen Team Harrier at all, only heard of them mentioned in passing.

Mutant Sheep
2012-01-09, 01:14 PM
We do know there's a Team Harrier that hasn't seemed to have left dead members lying around this cavern. Then again, we've never seen Team Harrier at all, only heard of them mentioned in passing.

We saw team Harrier. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0705.html) Panel one. :smalltongue:

zimmerwald1915
2012-01-09, 01:20 PM
We saw team Harrier. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0705.html) Panel one. :smalltongue:
...and they seem to be dangling from the ledge on the left.

Derp. :smallredface:

t209
2012-01-09, 02:26 PM
What, just because they tracked down the headquarters and killed everybody inside they could catch?

It seems unlikely that the Resistance was so centralized that Redcloak's raid decapitated it. While Redcloak definitely won a major victory, the Resistance isn't over just yet.

Plus we only see dead team harrier and (one member of Team Peregrine). We still didn't see the Psychic, carpenter, other old paladins. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0547.html) (maybe one bald headed with hair nearby dude is dead).

t209
2012-01-09, 04:30 PM
IFCC (Clue: Demons and implication that they are going to snarl gate)

rewinn
2012-01-09, 08:05 PM
There's a bunch of assumptions made in this post, but this is the most egregious since it contradicts actual in-comic evidence. Redcloak learns about Team Peregrine after the prison raid (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0708.html).

That link does not support your assertion. The only evidence there is Redclock saying something about elven insurgents. While Azure City was primarily human, there were surely more than a few elf residents.

Moreover, if a Xykon thought the Elvish Kingdoms were sending combat teams after him, do you really think he would not retaliate?

If Redcloak thought that commando squads were getting into the city, would he have wasted time playing feed-O'Chul-to-the-Shark?

Of course there are some assumptions in the analysis - the main one being that few of the cast actually read the comic and therefore know everything we know. The issue remains: What does Team Evil think it knows about the Resistance?

For example, there is nothing to suggest that TE knows Hailey has left. Until Tsukiko has Hailey's body to play with, no-one on TE is going to be able to sleep without worrying about a stab in the back (except for X who probably has an item crafted against it.)

Ravian
2012-01-09, 08:40 PM
Undead can't be sneak attacked, (I don't play 3.5 but I still know this)

I don't think it would take too much to find out where the Resistance's secret base is. When Haley, Belkar and Celia left with the Darkblood Gloomgloom trick, there's still a strange question, the path they were coming from only leads to the abandoned mines, so why is a necromancer coming from there claiming to have purchased 3 corpses, two of them fresh, if there wasn't anyone there? Sure the Hobgoblins might not have thought about it too much, especially when one had a new promotion to look forward to because another asked too many questions, but a report to Redcloak should have provoked enough curiosity to at least send a couple stealthy hobbos to check the place out, even if all he might expect to find were some blackmarket dealers, or a cult or something.
Really I think we put too much credit upon the Resistance, sure they have been successful as of late (especially with the elves' arrival) but from the look of the latest strip, my guess is that Redcloak is going to reveal how they've been played all this time, my guess is that he's had spies too (is it that hard to find a few guys willing to sell out their companions? Especially when they see how Tsukkiko is living it up)

So yeah my guess is that Team Evil, or at least Redcloak knows a whole lot about the resistance but has not until late considered them worth it to deal with personally.

rewinn
2012-01-09, 08:45 PM
Coister, it's a custom epic spell we don't have rules for, so its hard to say.

It seems to have been established that Cloister-goo sticks to people in the city it's been cast upon, at least for a few weeks, so Tsukiko can't locate O-Chul or, for that matter, follow Hailey with the Black Squadron. This effect may be why the Resistance exists (or existed) at all.

McDouggal
2012-01-09, 11:28 PM
If Redcloak thought that commando squads were getting into the city, would he have wasted time playing feed-O'Chul-to-the-Shark?

That wasn't him... That was :Mitd:, :xykon:, :roach:, and :jirix: .

Dark Matter
2012-01-10, 09:00 AM
It seems to have been established that Cloister-goo sticks to people in the city it's been cast upon, at least for a few weeks, so Tsukiko can't locate O-Chul or, for that matter, follow Hailey with the Black Squadron. This effect may be why the Resistance exists (or existed) at all.Yes and no. Xykon presumably recasts Cloister every few months. The bulk of the resistance would be covered but the new elves might not be. Given that Xykon hasn't shown up in a long while, he might just be out in which case they certainly aren't covered.

Jaros
2012-01-10, 09:54 AM
That wasn't him... That was :Mitd:, :xykon:, :roach:, and :jirix: .

Plus O-Chul vs. Shark happened BEFORE the Elves came in.

And if RC thinks they're from the Elven Kingdom, what CAN he do? Xykon wouldn't care as it doesn't involve the Gate, and most people are needed at the city.

Kalmegil
2012-01-10, 10:22 AM
Well, now we know: pretty much everything.

rewinn
2012-01-10, 11:21 AM
Well, now we know: pretty much everything.
Yes. If anyone would have thought of polymorphed spies, it would be :redcloak:

Ancalagon
2012-01-10, 11:38 AM
Again, we learn Team Evil is the most competent team out there. They're powerful and they're clueful, which is pretty nasty for everyone else.

It also seems the question how much they know of the resistance is voided now - unless someone is behind Polymorphed Goblin #4123 and snatches the Phylactery.

King of Nowere
2012-01-10, 12:00 PM
That's the problem with your average adventuring group: they assume they're the only ones in the world capable of casting spells like invisibilityb or polymorph, and that no one will ever think someone else may use those spells.

Ancalagon
2012-01-10, 02:38 PM
Which is strange.

I think it comes from "us from our world" looking through a window in "their world". "Their" world behaves differently than "ours", so "we" make understandable mistakes (from our point of view) "they" would never make (because for "them", those abilites are the normal and expected modus operandi of "their" world).