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Silva Stormrage
2012-01-10, 03:13 AM
The Vector Witch

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Info: The Vector Witch is a snake themed witch based off of Soul Eater Antagonist Medusa. I was aiming for a tier 3 class that really captured Medusa's character and power. I wasn't sure if I was clear with some of the abilities, especially vector plate and vector boost. Any feedback is appreciated :smallbiggrin:

Role: The main role an Vector Witch plays is that of a ranged damage dealer with battle field control. She has many abilities that involve close quarter combat though and can serve as a decent front line character as well, even if she is a bit frail with no armor.

GAME RULE INFORMATION
Vector Witchs have the following game statistics.
Abilities: Charisma is the most important ability for Vector Witches. Not only do most of their class abilities have DCs that depend upon their Charisma modifier, but it also determines which level of spells he is able of using and their dc's. Constitituion helps to increase their HP and is useful just like for all classes.

Alignment: Any Non Good
Hit Die: d8
Starting Age: As sorcerer.
Starting Gold: As sorcerer

Class Skills
The Vector Witch's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Decipher Script (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Listen (Wis), Hide (Dex), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge (All Skills Taken Individually) (Int), Ride (Dex), Move Silently (Dex), Profession (Wis), Spellcraft (Int), Search (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis), Use Magic Device (Cha)

Skill Points at First Level: (6 + Int modifier) x 4
Skill Points at Each Additional Level: 6 + Int modifier

Vector Witch
{table=head]Level|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Special|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th

1st|
+0|
+0|
+2|
+2|Vector Arrows, Expert Alchemist|2|-

2nd|
+1|
+0|
+3|
+3|Vector Plate, Bonus Feat|3|0|-

3rd|
+2|
+1|
+3|
+3|Light Serpent|3|1|-|-

4th|
+3|
+1|
+4|
+4|Vector Drill|3|2|0|-|-

5th|
+3|
+1|
+4|
+4|Vector Storm|3|3|1|-|-|-

6th|
+4|
+2|
+5|
+5|Snake Tail|3|3|2|-|-|-|-

7th|
+5|
+2|
+5|
+5|Black Blood, Bonus Feat|3|3|2|0|-|-|-|-

8th|
+6|
+2|
+6|
+6|Soul Protect|3|3|3|1|-|-|-|-|-|-

9th|
+6|
+3|
+6|
+6|Mass Vector Plate|3|3|3|2||-|-|-|-|-

10th|
+3|
+7|
+7|
+7|Vector Snakes, Analysis Disassemble|3|3|3|2|0|-|-|-|-|-

11th|
+8|
+3|
+7|
+7|Black Blood Injection, Efficient Crafting|3|3|3|3|1|-|-|-|-|-

12th|
+9|
+4|
+8|
+8|Vector Boost|3|3|3|3|2|-|-|-|-|-

13th|
+9|
+4|
+8|
+8|Vector Storm (Compress)|3|3|3|3|2|0|-|-|-|-

14th|
+10|
+4|
+9|
+9|Vector Cone|4|3|3|3|3|1|-|-|-|-

15th|
+11|
+5|
+9|
+9|Madness Fusion|4|4|3|3|3|2|-|-|-|-

16th|
+12|
+5|
+10|
+10|Shedding Your Skin|4|4|4|3|3|2|0|-|-|-

17th|
+12|
+5|
+10|
+10|Enhanced Vector Arrows|4|4|4|4|3|2|1|-|-|-

18th|
+13|
+6|
+11|
+11|Improved Shedding Your Skin|4|4|4|4|4|3|2|-|-|-

19th|
+14|
+6|
+11|
+11|Vector Tempo|4|4|4|4|4|4|3|-|-|-

20th|
+15|
+6|
+12|
+12|Vector Tempest|4|4|4|4|4|4|4|-|-|-[/table]

Class Features

Class Features
Note: Several Class Features Reference "Directions". For the purpose of these abilities they can only select, North, South, West, East, Northwest, Southwest, Northeast, Southeast.

All of the following are class features of the Vector Witch.

Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: Vector Witch are proficient with all simple weapons and melee martial weapons and with light armor.

Spells: A Vector Witch casts arcane spells which are drawn from the Vector Witch spell list. She can cast any spell she knows spontaneously without preparing it ahead of time. A Vector Witch gains bonus spells for having a high charisma score.

The Vector Witch's selection of spells is extremely limited. A Vector Witch begins play knowing four 0-level spells of your choice. At most new Vector Witch levels, he gains one or more new spells, as indicated on the table below (Unlike spells per day, the number of spells a Vector Witch knows is not affected by his Charisma score.

To cast a spell, a Vector Witch must have a Charisma score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a Vector Witch's spell is 10 + the spell level + the Vector Witch's Charisma modifier.

Spells Known

{table=head]level| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6
1rst|4|-|-|-|-|-|-
2nd|5|2|-|-|-|-|-
3rd|6|3|-|-|-|-|-
4th|6|3|2|-|-|-|-
5th|6|4|3|-|-|-|-
6th|6|4|3|-|-|-|-
7th|6|4|4|2|-|-|-
8th|6|4|4|3|-|-|-
9th|6|4|4|3|-|-|-
10th|6|4|4|4|2|-|-
11th|6|4|4|4|3|-|-
12th|6|4|4|4|3|-|-
13th|6|4|4|4|4|2|-
14th|6|4|4|4|4|3|-
15th|6|4|4|4|4|3|-
16th|6|5|4|4|4|4|2
17th|6|5|5|4|4|4|3
18th|6|5|5|5|4|4|3
19th|6|5|5|5|5|4|4
20th|6|5|5|5|5|5|4 [/table]


Vector Arrows: (Sp) The most basic technique that all Vector Witchs know. As a standard action the Vector Witch sends out black arrows, called Vector Arrows, that weave towards any target within medium range. Each Arrow deals 1d6 piercing or slashing damage and a Vector Witch can summon a number of arrows equal to her class level. The Vector Witch can either target one target or multiple targets with the arrows. A reflex save negates the damage and each target gets one reflex save to avoid all the arrows. The save DC is 10 + 1/2 Class level + charisma modifier. This ability ignores spell resistance. Each arrow does not check against damage reduction individually, DR applies against all the arrows that affect a target as if it was one attack. This is treated as a spell of level equal to half the vector witches class level (Rounded up). For the purpose of feats such as empower spell like ability however it is treated as a second level spell.

Expert Alchemist: (Ex) All Vector Witches are masters at alchemy. The Vector Witch gains a bonus on all Craft (Alchemy) checks equal to her class level. At 7th level the Vector Witch can craft Alchemical items much more rapidly. When she checks the item's price for weekly progress she can put it in gold pieces not silver pieces. When checking for daily progress she can put it in silver not copper pieces.

Vector Plate: (Sp) At second level the Vector Witch learns how to create a Vector Plate as a move action. She creates a large arrow facing one direction on one five foot square within close range. Anyone, regardless of size ,who enters on this square is propelled in the direction of the arrow a number of feet equal up to 5 times the Vector Witch's charisma modifier. The Vector Witch sets the distance the plate's send the target when manifesting the plates. After the plate has been manifested the distance can't be changed. If a target on a plate is firmly rooted to the ground it does not get propelled to the destination. If a target is sent flying and hits another vector plate before reaching the full distance propelled it simply ignores the remaining distance and follows the path of the second vector plate. A creature can only be affected by a particular vector plate once a round. A bull rush check (Against a Dc of 11+the Vector Witch's Charisma + 1/4 of the Vector Witch's Caster Level) negates this ability. If a creature is thrown into a wall or other object it takes 1d8+the Vector Witch's charisma modifier damage. Unattended objects are not propelled by this ability. This ability is treated as a 2nd level spell for the purpose of feats and other effects.

Light Serpent: (Ex) At third level all Vector witches get tattoos on their arms of snakes, these tattoos can be hidden as a move action but they must be showing for the Vector Witch to use any ability concerning them. Using Light Serpent as a standard action the Vector Witch can animate one of their tattoos to grow into a massive snake that collides with opponents in a 10 ft wide 50ft line. Any creature in the area needs to make a reflex save to completely avoid the rampaging snake. The DC is 10 + 1/4 the Vector Witch's class level + the Vector Witch's Charisma Modifier. If any creature fails their save they take 1d10 bludgeoning damage per caster level.

Vector Drill: (Su) A fourth level Vector Witch can as a standard action conjure a mass of vector arrows that swarm in front of her fists like a drill. She can make a single attack against an enemy within reach that has an attack bonus equal to her BAB + her dexterity modifier + her charisma modifier. If this attack hits it deals 1d4 per caster level and inflicts a terrible wound. This wound bleeds dealing 1d2 damage per four caster levels for a number of rounds equal to her charisma modifier. This drill lasts until the beginning of the Vector Witch's next turn allowing her to make attack of opportunity with it. Even if the Vector Witch's BAB lets her make multiple attacks with a full attack the Vector Witch can not full attack with Vector Drill. Multiple wounds stack with themselves.

Vector Storm: (Sp) At fifth level the Vector Witch can summon a storm of vector arrows that course around her. Using this ability is an immediate action that blocks one melee or ranged attack and deals 1d6 slashing or piercing damage per two class levels to any enemy within 10ft. Any enemy within 10 ft has to make a reflex save or be knocked back 20ft and be knocked prone. This ability can be used once every three rounds. This ability ignores spell resistance. This ability is treated as if a 4th level spell.

Snake's Tail: (Sp) At 6th level the Vector Witch can grow a vector arrow out and balance on it to aid her ability weave and duck from enemies attacks. She can grow out the arrow as a move action and it lasts until canceled (which can be done as a free action). This ability gives the Vector Witch a dodge bonus equal to her charisma modifier + 1/4 class levels. In addition her move speed is reduced to 0 while using this ability. The Vector Witch can still use 5ft steps while using Snake's Tail.

Black Blood: (Ex)At 7th level the Vector Witch learns the secrets to crafting black blood. With a DC 30 Alchemy Check she can craft Potions of Black Blood (See Below).

Bonus Feat: At 2nd and 7th level the Vector Witch gains a bonus feat. This feat must be a Magic Item Creation feat and the Vector Witch must qualify for the feat.

Soul Protect: (Su) At 8th Level the Vector Witch can mask her own magical power. As a standard action Vector Witch can make herself and her equipment immune to all scrying, information gather divinations, and similar effects. In addition while this effect lasts for all effects that try to find her location fail, including tremor sense, blind sight, mind sight, blind sense, touch sight and other extraordinary senses. This ability lasts until canceled and is canceled the instant the Vector Witch uses a spell, spell like ability or supernatural ability granted by the Vector Witch class.

Mass Vector Plate: Whenever an 9th level Vector Witch uses her Vector Plate ability it can create a number of different plates equal to 1/3 her caster level, rounded down. These plates don't have to be near each other and do not have to face the same direction. In addition, the plates affect any creature above the plates as well, any creature that is 30ft above the plate gets bull rushed as if he had entered the square the plate is on.

Vector Snakes: (Ex) The snake tattoos Vector Witches have on their arms gain another purpose at 10th level. A vector witch can send a number of tiny vector snakes coursing through her body into a pinned, helpless or willing target. This is a one round action. The Vector Witch always knows where the snakes are as long as they are on the same plane and can command the snakes to explode. If a Vector Witch commands all the snakes to explode the target takes the same damage as Vector Arrows and the attack is treated as a coup de grace attempt. This attack ignores normal immunity to critical hits.

Analysis Disassemble: (Sp) A 10th level Vector Witch can as a move action use her vector arrows to create an opening in a creature's defense through removing a scale, weakening magical power or some other method. This reduces the creature' existing DR by the Vector Witch's charisma (minimum DR 0) in addition to reducing spell resistance by 5. These reductions last for 1 minute per caster level. This ability ignores spell resistance and is treated as if a 5th level spell for feats and other effects.

Black Blood Injection: (Ex) At 11th level the Vector Witch enhances her understanding of Alchemy and learns how to craft Black Blood Injections (See Below).

Efficient Crafter: (Ex) At 11th level the Vector Witch is better at crafting items than most other crafters. She can treat the base market price of magic items as if they were 90% of what they are normally priced as. She can treat alchemical items as 75% of what they are normally priced as. This affects the cost, xp and time it takes to craft the items appropriately.

Vector Boost: (Sp) As a move action a 12th level Vector Witch can enchant the damage of a few attacks from an ally within medium range. When initiating this ability the Vector Witch selects a direction. If that target makes a melee attack against an opponent who is directly in that direction the attack deals an extra amount of damage equal to 1d3/Vector Witch's Charisma modifier. This lasts for a number of attacks equal to the Vector Witch's charisma modifier/3. Only one person can be affected by this ability at a time. After using this ability a vector witch has to wait 5 rounds before using it again. This is treated as a 6th level spell for feats and effects.

Vector Storm (Compress): (Su) As a standard action after using Vector Storm in the same round a 13th level Vector Witch can send those vector arrows created with Vector Storm at a nearby creature. The Vector Arrows surround and crush and pierce the target. The target takes (1d6+1) bludgeoning damage per caster level and the target is knocked prone and unable to move. A successful reflex save means the target is able to move, is not knocked prone, and takes 1/2 damage. If the target is unable to move it must succeed on a strength check (DC 11 + Vector Witch's Charisma Modifier) to be able to move again. This check can be made each round as a full round action.

Vector Cone: Now whenever using Vector Arrows a 14th level Vector Witch can target all enemies in a 60ft cone in front of her. Every target in this area is treated as if targeted with one half of the total arrows that are created by Vector Arrows.

Madness Fusion: (Sp) At 15th level a Vector Witch can enhance her tattoos and her power with madness. As a move action she can summon a Madness Snake from her tattoos. She can have a maximum of 2 Madness Snakes out at one time. These Snakes last until killed. This ability can only be used 6 times a day.
Madness Snake

Madness Snake
Large Magical Animal (Chaotic, Evil)
18d10+144 (243)
Speed 40ft. (8 squares);
INITIATIVE + 4
Armor Class 24 (+10 natural, + 5 Dex, - 1 Size); touch 14; flat-footed 19
Base Attack +18;
Attack: Bite + 28 (3d6 + 15)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 5 ft.
Special Attacks: Poison
Special Qualities: Witch's Empowerment, Madness
Saves Fort +19 Ref +16 Will +6
Abilities Str 30, Dex 20, Con 26, Int 3, Wis 6, Cha 10
Skills N/A
Feats N/A
Witch's Empowerment (Su): The snake gains an enchantment bonus to it's natural armor, constitution and a profane bonus to hit and damage rolls equal to the summoner's charisma modifier.
Madness: (Ex) Due to being completely and utterly insane the Madness Snake is immune to any mind effecting effect.
Poison: (Ex) 1d6 Con, Initial 2d6 con Secondary. Fort Save dc 27 (The save is constitution based)


Shedding your skin: (Su) Whenever a Vector Witch of 16th level dies she has a chance to continue living. As she dies she needs to make a fort save dc vs the amount of damage the attack that killed her dealt. If she passes she can transfer her essence into one of the snakes in her body. She has full control over that snake but can't use any abilities. If she escapes from whoever killed her initially she can possess either a nearly completely intact dead corpse (Her original corpse is too destroyed for this purpose) or a living creature who is pinned, helpless or willing. If she possess a living creature she needs to make a will save vs a dc of 10 + the creature's will save. Success means she overpowers the target's soul, failure means the Vector Witch is destroyed completely. If the Vector Witch succeeds she gains the physical attribute scores of the other creature. She does not gain any feats, skills, or information the other creature knew. The Vector Witch can only possess creatures of the same race as herself.

Enhanced Vector Arrows: (Su) Whenever a Vector Witch of 17th level uses Vector Arrows she deals an additional 1 point of damage per arrow and if the target has evasion it is negated and if he has improved evasion it is reduced to evasion.

Improved Shedding your Skin: (Ex) At 18th level a Vector Witch doesn't need to die to switch bodies with another creature. As a full round action she can attempt to possess another creature's body. The process is the same as Shedding your Skin except that if you fail the check you don't die and simply go back to your body. You can't ever attempt to possess that target again.

Vector Tempo: (Ex) All abilities of a 19th level Vector Witch have their cool downs reduced by one round (minimum 0 round cool down).

Vector Tempest: (Su) As a free action a 20th level Vector Witch becomes a storm of whirling death. This ability can be used once per day and lasts for 10 rounds. During these rounds the Vector Witch changes the following abilities as follows. Also all standard action abilities now take a move action to activate.
Vector Arrows: This ability deals an additional 1 damage per dice and it's dc is increased by 3.
Vector Plate: The Vector Witch can summon 15 vector plates at once each within close range. In addition if a target succeeds on the save against a vector plate they are still propelled they are just propelled half the distance.
Vector Storm: This ability can be used once every round and affects all targets within 20ft and knocks them back 40 feet.
Vector Boost: Each attack modified by this ability deals an additional 4d3 damage and this ability affects an additional 3 attacks.
Vector Drill: This ability can make two attacks with the drill each with the same attack bonus. You can still only make attacks of opportunity with one drill.


Spell List

0th Level Spells
All Sorcerer/Wizard Cantrips

1st Level Spells
Bane
Bestow Wound
Cause Fear
Charm Person
Chill Touch
Darkness
Doom
Ebon Eye (SpC)
Extract Drug (BoVD)
Mage's Craft (EBCS)
Ray of Enfeeblement
Snake Hand (As Spider Hand but produces a small monstrous viper instead. BOVD)
Tongue of Baalzebul (BoVD)
Unseen Servant
Wall of Smoke (SpC)

2nd Level Spells
Addiction (BoVD)
Alter Self
Blindness/Deafness
Create Magic Tatoo (SpC)
Cloud of Bewilderment (SpC)
Darkbolt (BoVD)
Death Knell
Deeper Darkness
False Life
Ghoul Touch
Hood of the Cobra (CM)
Phantasmal Assailants (SpC)
Ray of Weakness (SpC)
Scare
Shadow Binding (SpC)
Silent Image
Spectral Hand
Stolen Breath (SpC)
Suggestion
Unseen Crafter (Races of Eberron)

3rd Level Spells
Bestow Curse
Blade of Pain and Fear (SpC)
Circle of Nausea (BoVD)
Contagion
Cruel Disappointment (SpC)
Crushing Despair
Death Ward
Major Image
Ray of Exhaustion
Sadism (BoVD)
Slow
Stinking Cloud
Tongue Serpent (BoVD)
Vampiric Touch
Wither Limb (SpC)

4th Level Spells
Alliance Undone (ExEv)
Black Tentacles
Black Light
Burning Blood (SpC)
Charm Monster
Crushing Grip (PH II)
Enervation
Fear
Friend to Foe (PHB II)
Liquid Pain (BoVD)
Minor Creation
Shadow Well (SpC)
Phantasmal Killer
Phantom Battle (PHB II)
Ruin Delver's Fortune (SpC)
Venom Bolt (Serpent Kingdom)

5th Level Spells
Assassin's Darkness (Complete Scoundrel)
Cloudkill
Corrupt Summons (BoVD)
Dimensional Door
Dominate Person
Fabricate
Major Creation
Nightmare
Night's Caress (SpC)
Polymorph
Slay Living
Spirit Wall
Soul Shackles (BoVD)
Telekinesis
Touch of Venca (CM)
Vitriolic Sphere (SpC)
Wrack (SpC)

6th Level Spells
Avasculate (SpC)
Bestow Curse Greater (SpC)
Contagion Mass (SpC)
Contingency
Evil Glare (SpC)
Fleshshiver (SpC)
Geas
Mage's Sword
Morality Undone (LoM)
Permanent Image
Resistance Superior (SpC)
True Seeing
Wall of Force
Wave of Pain (BoVD)
Waves of Exhaustion



New Alchemical Substances

Note: Only Vector Witches can craft these items. Both of these potions only work for creatures that actually have blood. Constructs and undead are not affected. Vampires and other undead or constructs that feed on blood are affected though.

Black Blood Potion: Costs 200 GP
Craft (Alchemy) DC: 30
Effect: Whenever someone drinks this nonmagical potion they go berserk. The subject must make a will save equal to 10 + their HD or act as if affected by the Frenzied Beserker's Frenzy ability (They don't gain any stat bonus or extra attack from the frenzy). Regardless if they succeed or not they gain damage reduction X/- where X is equal to 5 + the Vector Witch's Charisma Modifier. This effect lasts for 5 rounds.

Black Blood Injection: Costs 400 GP
Craft (Alchemy) DC: 50
Effect: A more powerful form of the Black Blood Potion this one also is easier to use. As a move action someone with this item can infect themselves with the black blood. They must make a will save with a dc equal to 15 + their HD or by affected by the Frenzied Beserker's frenzy ability (They don't gain any stat bonus or extra attack from the frenzy). Regardless of the save the subject gains a + 4 alchemical bonus to strength and constitution and gains damage reduction X/- where X is equal to 10 + the Vector Witch's Charisma Modifier. This effect lasts 5 rounds.

Demidos
2012-01-11, 02:14 AM
Looks cool. Good tier 3
Fix the will save :smalltongue:
the vector arrows are very good low level, seeing as its 3d8+3 damage vs a +3 reflex save, with a dc of, say, 14-15. Though now that i write it out it looks better. Meh.

The vector launcher things seem interesting. Do they launch items as well, or only people?

Steward
2012-01-11, 04:38 PM
I agree with the above -- a +612 to Will is quite literally unbeatable. If your goal was to make it so that, at 20th level, she auto-succeeds at Will saves, it might be better to just put that as a class feature rather than just have the Will save progression jump up hundreds of points like that.


. If a Vector Witch commands a snake to explode the target must make a fort save (DC equal to 20 + 1/4 the vector witch's caster level + the vector witch's charisma modifier).

This is probably going to sound stupid, but what does this ability do? I mean, I know it makes the snakes explode, but is it a death effect, does it just deal damage, does it turn the target into steaming pile of butter-drenched zucchinis or...? Can she make all the snakes explode at once or just detonate one of them?


A vector witch can send a number of tiny vector snakes coursing through her body into a pinned, helpless or willing target.

Is there a specific number of snakes?

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-11, 05:30 PM
I agree with the above -- a +612 to Will is quite literally unbeatable. If your goal was to make it so that, at 20th level, she auto-succeeds at Will saves, it might be better to just put that as a class feature rather than just have the Will save progression jump up hundreds of points like that.



This is probably going to sound stupid, but what does this ability do? I mean, I know it makes the snakes explode, but is it a death effect, does it just deal damage, does it turn the target into steaming pile of butter-drenched zucchinis or...? Can she make all the snakes explode at once or just detonate one of them?



Is there a specific number of snakes?

Ya I forgot to change the will save :smallredface: I originally had the will save as a poor progression but when I changed it I must not of hit the delete key to delete the 6, I just added the 12 >.> It is supposed to be + 12 at level 20.

I COMPLETELY forgot to write in what vector snakes actually does. Its a death affect.

In regards to how many snakes she sends in to the body, its fluff really and there is an indeterminate amount. I will add that you need to explode all of the ones in the targets body though.

Zale
2012-01-11, 05:55 PM
I love this class.

Because Soul Eater is awesome.

You may want to mention what kind of action is required to use Vector Plate.

Steward
2012-01-11, 06:13 PM
I like it! I'm not familiar with the show that this class is based on, but I think it would make a pretty challenging enemy (as well as a good choice for an evil campaign). The serpent theme lends itself well to body horror -- the death effect reminds me of an upgraded version of the monk's quivering touch, except it's actually useful!

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-11, 09:30 PM
I love this class.

Because Soul Eater is awesome.

You may want to mention what kind of action is required to use Vector Plate.

I actually did. It is a move action.

Does anyone have any comments on the Black Blood Items? I tend to not use charged items much so I don't know how well I did on these.

Zale
2012-01-12, 12:18 PM
I actually did. It is a move action.

Does anyone have any comments on the Black Blood Items? I tend to not use charged items much so I don't know how well I did on these.

Oh, sorry. Must have missed it. I was sleepy.

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-12, 07:16 PM
Oh, sorry. Must have missed it. I was sleepy.

It's cool :smallbiggrin:

Does anyone have any comments on the alchemical substances I posted?

eftexar
2012-01-13, 07:39 PM
I think the checks are way too high. By level 20 your skill check isn't liable to be higher than 30 (and that's pushing it). At a DC of 40 your alchemical items wont even be craft-able until at least level 15, if not 18.
As to a couple of other thoughts:
I think save or nothings are a bad idea for any abilities outside of spells, unless they are necromantic, insta-death effects, or augments to other abilities. It is also a pretty high amount of damage for a half-caster melee-capable class. I would say to maybe half vector arrow damage or allow a save to half damage (but not both)?
I have the same issue with light serpent and vector drill.
I think vector storm is fine, considering it gives foes forewarning if they do their research or have seen it used before.

This is an awesome class though, and Medusa has always been one of my favorite anime villains.

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-14, 07:00 PM
I think the checks are way too high. By level 20 your skill check isn't liable to be higher than 30 (and that's pushing it). At a DC of 40 your alchemical items wont even be craft-able until at least level 15, if not 18.
As to a couple of other thoughts:
I think save or nothings are a bad idea for any abilities outside of spells, unless they are necromantic, insta-death effects, or augments to other abilities. It is also a pretty high amount of damage for a half-caster melee-capable class. I would say to maybe half vector arrow damage or allow a save to half damage (but not both)?
I have the same issue with light serpent and vector drill.
I think vector storm is fine, considering it gives foes forewarning if they do their research or have seen it used before.

This is an awesome class though, and Medusa has always been one of my favorite anime villains.

Don't forget that the Vector Witch has a bonus equal to her class level on Craft (Alchemy Checks) I think I am going to reduce both by 10 though.

On the save negates instead of save for half. I just wanted it to be slightly different. It hurts more on targets that have a poor reflex save but for those who have high reflex save it hurts less. Light Serpent is supposed to be reflex negates too because it supposed to have an incredibly low save dc but deal massive damage. Vector Drill doesn't have a save so a bit confused by that.

Thanks for your feedback :smallbiggrin:

Rapidghoul
2012-01-16, 03:49 PM
I like the class overall. I love Soul Eater, so anything homebrewed to emulate it is awesome.

One thing: Vector Arrows. First, it would probably be (Sp) not (Su), but the big thing is that it doesn't say how many times per day you can use them. I'd assume it's just an at will ability, but when you compare it to Warlock or even DFA, you're blowing it out of the water with damage. 1d6/2 levels, max 9d6, against one target or a short spread compared to 1d8+1/level out to medium range spread out among targets/level... I'd say scale it back quite a bit if it's at will. 1d4+1 makes perfect sense, mimicking Magic Missile at will with a much higher cap.

Right now, a level 20 Vector Witch deals 20d8+40 (average 130) at will, spread to up to 20 targets. A level 20 DFA using Fivefold Breath deals 45d6 damage (average 157.5 damage IF all five breaths hit the target), and that deals 40 damage to themselves if evil, 80 if neutral, and can't use it if good. AND they can't use ANY breath effect the next round.

Steward
2012-01-16, 06:57 PM
I always thought spell-like abilities were supposed to mimic a specific spell in most cases? Vector arrow isn't really a spell, is it?

Rapidghoul
2012-01-16, 08:08 PM
Most SLA's are specific spells, but some aren't. Eldritch Blast, for instance, has no equivalent spell but is an at will (Sp). It's not really a spell, but it's an ability that is spell-like. It has a 'casting' time, somatic components, a target, etc.,

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-16, 10:38 PM
I like the class overall. I love Soul Eater, so anything homebrewed to emulate it is awesome.

One thing: Vector Arrows. First, it would probably be (Sp) not (Su), but the big thing is that it doesn't say how many times per day you can use them. I'd assume it's just an at will ability, but when you compare it to Warlock or even DFA, you're blowing it out of the water with damage. 1d6/2 levels, max 9d6, against one target or a short spread compared to 1d8+1/level out to medium range spread out among targets/level... I'd say scale it back quite a bit if it's at will. 1d4+1 makes perfect sense, mimicking Magic Missile at will with a much higher cap.

Right now, a level 20 Vector Witch deals 20d8+40 (average 130) at will, spread to up to 20 targets. A level 20 DFA using Fivefold Breath deals 45d6 damage (average 157.5 damage IF all five breaths hit the target), and that deals 40 damage to themselves if evil, 80 if neutral, and can't use it if good. AND they can't use ANY breath effect the next round.

I had two choices in making Vector Arrow, make it Spell Like or Supernatural
Supernatural: No SR, No Attack of Opportunities
Spell Like: Sr and Attack of opportunities.

The ability should take into account Spell Resistance since it is literally just conjuring sharp things that stab people and I figured not provoking is a fine thing since this is a semi melee class in the first place.

On its damage, your looking at the wrong thing. While yes I fully admit it blows normal warlock's damage out of the water. It DOESN'T blow away, glaivelocks, barbarians, war blades, or blaster psionics. Warlock's damage is pitifully low and I don't use it as comparison for many things. Also another thing is until high levels (Where save or dies and spell casting reigns) it is entirely negated by a reflex save. That is why I increased it's damage from 1d6 +1/level to 1d8+1/level. I got 1d6 + 1 per level from the standard psionic power energy ray which does exactly that.

Rapidghoul
2012-01-17, 12:11 PM
If I'm not mistaken, you can just add a blurb in the description of a spell-like ability declaring that it ignores spell resistance. As for not provoking AoO, you can always cast defensively, which if you're using Vector Arrows at close range you probably are anyway. If you want to leave it as a (Su), that's your deal, but I'm just saying as you've described it it really seems like (Sp).

On a related note, should Vector Plate ignore SR? Magically thrusting someone in a certain direction?

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-17, 12:43 PM
If I'm not mistaken, you can just add a blurb in the description of a spell-like ability declaring that it ignores spell resistance. As for not provoking AoO, you can always cast defensively, which if you're using Vector Arrows at close range you probably are anyway. If you want to leave it as a (Su), that's your deal, but I'm just saying as you've described it it really seems like (Sp).

On a related note, should Vector Plate ignore SR? Magically thrusting someone in a certain direction?

Hm, thats a good point. It is a magical effect.

I think I will do that, just change them all into SP abilities that ignore SR. I forgot that you could cast spell like abilities defensively. I will still have Vector Plate check SR though.

Heliomance
2012-01-18, 09:23 AM
Why would Vector Arrows ignore SR? They're made of strange shadow-stuff, they're not real matter. They should definitely check SR.

Vector Plate. There should be some way to resist it - I'd be inclined to use the Bull Rush rules. Also, it needs a duration. Does that arrow just stay there forevermore? As written currently, it does. Also, the Vector Witch probably ought to be able to dismiss it again, and maybe ignore its effects herself.

Rapidghoul
2012-01-18, 07:46 PM
Vector Plate. There should be some way to resist it - I'd be inclined to use the Bull Rush rules. Also, it needs a duration. Does that arrow just stay there forevermore? As written currently, it does. Also, the Vector Witch probably ought to be able to dismiss it again, and maybe ignore its effects herself.

This. Especially the bull rush part; I like that.

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-19, 11:05 AM
Why would Vector Arrows ignore SR? They're made of strange shadow-stuff, they're not real matter. They should definitely check SR.

Vector Plate. There should be some way to resist it - I'd be inclined to use the Bull Rush rules. Also, it needs a duration. Does that arrow just stay there forevermore? As written currently, it does. Also, the Vector Witch probably ought to be able to dismiss it again, and maybe ignore its effects herself.

It should ignore SR because it summons the arrows which then deal physical damage. I might have to change the damage of the arrows to slashing or piercing so that DR affects it though.

And your right on Vector Plate. Not sure what I want to do on that though, if I do bull rush check the Vector Witch would need a decent bonus on that to be able to affect larger creatures at all.

Heliomance
2012-01-21, 12:42 PM
It should ignore SR because it summons the arrows which then deal physical damage. I might have to change the damage of the arrows to slashing or piercing so that DR affects it though.

And your right on Vector Plate. Not sure what I want to do on that though, if I do bull rush check the Vector Witch would need a decent bonus on that to be able to affect larger creatures at all.

Unless it's an instantaneous conjuration effect - you're creating real objects which are subsequently non-magical and stay around permanently - it should still check SR. It doesn't matter that it's doing physical damage, they are purely magical constructs which dissipate after they hit. They are formed out of magic shadow stuff, not real matter, SR should apply. This is not a balance thing, this is a fluff thing. You are not magically creating non-magical matter and stabbing them with it, you are stabbing them with magic.

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-21, 08:53 PM
Unless it's an instantaneous conjuration effect - you're creating real objects which are subsequently non-magical and stay around permanently - it should still check SR. It doesn't matter that it's doing physical damage, they are purely magical constructs which dissipate after they hit. They are formed out of magic shadow stuff, not real matter, SR should apply. This is not a balance thing, this is a fluff thing. You are not magically creating non-magical matter and stabbing them with it, you are stabbing them with magic.

Thats not true, I can think of several spells and powers that don't persist after being created and are SR (No). Also why couldn't they just be a conjuration effect (which tend to not allow SR) that has a duration of about 2 seconds (In game mechanics just during the Vector Witch's turn). I still see no reason why being formed from magic should make them check SR. Ammunition created from major creation doesn't and it also vanishes upon hitting and has a limited duration as well.

LibrarianHuntar
2012-01-22, 10:38 AM
Nice. Very nice. Now do kishin

Heliomance
2012-01-23, 06:57 AM
Thats not true, I can think of several spells and powers that don't persist after being created and are SR (No). Also why couldn't they just be a conjuration effect (which tend to not allow SR) that has a duration of about 2 seconds (In game mechanics just during the Vector Witch's turn). I still see no reason why being formed from magic should make them check SR. Ammunition created from major creation doesn't and it also vanishes upon hitting and has a limited duration as well.

I'll grant you that ammo created with Major Creation blurs the area a bit, but the fact remains that the arrows aren't real matter. They're pure shadowstuff. If I were to school it as an effect, my first impulse would be Illusion [shadow]. My second would probably be Evocation [force].

Which spells and powers are you thinking of? If you mean the Orb series, that's a pet peeve of mine - they absolutely should be Evocation, SR: Yes.

Knight13
2012-01-29, 05:59 PM
In the description of Vector Plate, it says that the plate propels the victim a number of feet equal to 5 times the Vector Witch's CHA modifier, then it says that the Vector Witch can set the distance when she creates the plate. In that case it should say that the plate propels the victim a number of feet UP TO 5 times the Vector Witch's CHA modifier.

Also, what happens if someone being propelled by a Vector Plate encounters another plate before flying the full distance? Do they simply fly past it or do they get redirected by it? I'm just wondering if you can use the Vector Plates to pinball enemies around the battlefield.

What happens if someone being propelled by a Vector Plate gets launched into a wall or into someone else?

Do Vector Plates work on any size creature?


Vector Storm (Compress): (Su) As a standard action after using Vector Storm in the same round a 13th level Vector Witch can send those vector arrows created with Vector Storm at a nearby creature. The Vector Arrows surround and crush and pierce the target. The target takes (1d6+1) damager per caster level and the target is knocked prone and unable to move. A successful reflex save means the target is able to move, is not knocked prone, and takes 1/2 damage.
Emphasis mine. How long is the target pinned in place?

Also, you didn't include Medusa's Vector Blade ability, just wondering if that's intentional.

Silva Stormrage
2012-01-30, 12:39 PM
In the description of Vector Plate, it says that the plate propels the victim a number of feet equal to 5 times the Vector Witch's CHA modifier, then it says that the Vector Witch can set the distance when she creates the plate. In that case it should say that the plate propels the victim a number of feet UP TO 5 times the Vector Witch's CHA modifier.

Also, what happens if someone being propelled by a Vector Plate encounters another plate before flying the full distance? Do they simply fly past it or do they get redirected by it? I'm just wondering if you can use the Vector Plates to pinball enemies around the battlefield.

What happens if someone being propelled by a Vector Plate gets launched into a wall or into someone else?

Do Vector Plates work on any size creature?


Emphasis mine. How long is the target pinned in place?

Also, you didn't include Medusa's Vector Blade ability, just wondering if that's intentional.

Oh thanks for those clarifications on Vector Plate. It works on all sizes and you ignore the remaining distance and just follows the second plate.

For slamming creatures into a wall, isn't there already rules for that? I was looking around and seem to remember it but can't find it. If anything I might just make it like 1/2 of the damage of a dungeon crasher fighter but I don't really know that class feature well enough to say.

Fixed Vector Storm Compress.

I didn't put Vector Blade because for one it's anime only and not really creative and also I couldn't find a way to separate it from Vector Drill.

Silva Stormrage
2012-11-19, 12:20 AM
After a while I updated this class to give it more out of combat options

Increased the Skills to 6+int/level and edited skill list slightly (Removed Disguise as in the show Medusa is horrible at disguising herself. Added gather information and decipher script)

I reduced the damage of most of the offensive abilities such as Vector Arrows etc.

Added Bonus Feats for magic item creation

Reduced the bonus to craft alchemy but also add a class feature increasing the speed that a vector witch can craft alchemical items

Added damage for throwing people into walls with vector plate

Added some out of combat spells from BoVD mostly

Added a new feature that I missed that reduces damage reduction and spell resistance, Analysis Disassemble.


Please tell me what you think of these changes.

JoshuaZ
2012-11-19, 12:46 AM
Do they get bonus spells from charisma? If so, I'd specify that.

Although the original inspiration for the class is on the evil side, most of the abilities aren't that evil per se. I'd suggest changing the alignment requirement either by removing it altogether or making it any non-good.

Overall, it looks like it is on the weaker side for T3 if not T4, primarily because of them only getting fifth level spells and having a fairly weak, fixed spell list. Maybe give them some sort of Advanced Learning class feature so they can customize the list a little bit?

Silva Stormrage
2012-11-19, 01:08 AM
Do they get bonus spells from charisma? If so, I'd specify that.

Although the original inspiration for the class is on the evil side, most of the abilities aren't that evil per se. I'd suggest changing the alignment requirement either by removing it altogether or making it any non-good.

Overall, it looks like it is on the weaker side for T3 if not T4, primarily because of them only getting fifth level spells and having a fairly weak, fixed spell list. Maybe give them some sort of Advanced Learning class feature so they can customize the list a little bit?

Good point on the alignment. Their class abilities aren't any worse than Dread Necromancers. Also thank you for pointing out the bonus spells clause.

I really don't think it's power level is that bad. Its not supposed to be an incredible powerhouse up there with tier 1's and 2's and it actually has some surprising combat utility and action economy in my test runs of it. (A lot of them as NPC's is pretty brutal in closed spaces :smalltongue:)

I do like the idea of an advanced learning type ability. What would you suggest that they could chose from? Necromancy has a lot of the classic witch spells but I added most of them already >.>. Just selecting from the sorcerer/wizard list seems a bit off for me. Does anyone have any ideas?

Debihuman
2012-11-19, 03:34 AM
I really like this class but I have a few concerns:

Vector Drill, Vector Storm and Snake's Tail should be Supernatural not Spell-like abilities as you didn't list the necessary spells. There should probably be a Reflex save for half damage for vector drill and it should be a standard ranged touch attack.

Debby

Silva Stormrage
2012-11-19, 04:54 PM
I really like this class but I have a few concerns:

Vector Drill, Vector Storm and Snake's Tail should be Supernatural not Spell-like abilities as you didn't list the necessary spells. There should probably be a Reflex save for half damage for vector drill and it should be a standard ranged touch attack.

Debby

Vector Drill isn't meant to be a ranged attack, it is literally the Vector Witch shoving a spinning vector arrows into someone's body. It also shouldn't be a touch attack because I would imagine that having a suit of full plate or thick scales should stop a physical attack the arrows aren't incorporeal or magical energy.

Sp abilities don't need to be particular spells, a warlock's eldritch blast is a good example of one such ability.

On the Su vs Sp abilities I had the discussion a while ago. Really I had two choices.

Su abilities that provoke
Sp abilities that ignore SR

I went with (Sp) abilities that ignore SR as they have casting defensively already put in and its slightly cleaner.

Debihuman
2012-11-19, 05:51 PM
Vector Drill isn't meant to be a ranged attack, it is literally the Vector Witch shoving a spinning vector arrows into someone's body. It also shouldn't be a touch attack because I would imagine that having a suit of full plate or thick scales should stop a physical attack the arrows aren't incorporeal or magical energy.

Sp abilities don't need to be particular spells, a warlock's eldritch blast is a good example of one such ability.

On the Su vs Sp abilities I had the discussion a while ago. Really I had two choices.

Su abilities that provoke
Sp abilities that ignore SR

I went with (Sp) abilities that ignore SR as they have casting defensively already put in and its slightly cleaner.

Please note that Su abilities DO NOT provoke AoO.



Supernatural Abilities (Su)

Supernatural abilities are magical and go away in an antimagic field but are not subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or to being dispelled by dispel magic. Using a supernatural ability is a standard action unless noted otherwise. Supernatural abilities may have a use limit or be usable at will, just like spell-like abilities. However, supernatural abilities do not provoke attacks of opportunity and never require Concentration checks. Unless otherwise noted, a supernatural ability has an effective caster level equal to the creature’s Hit Dice. The saving throw (if any) against a supernatural ability is:

10 + ½ the creature’s HD + the creature’s ability modifier (usually Charisma).

Debby

Debihuman
2012-11-19, 05:54 PM
Sorry meant to edit my above post but all I got was white screen Grrr.

Note this about Sp abilities:
"Only spells and spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance. Extraordinary and supernatural abilities (including enhancement bonuses on magic weapons) are not. "

I think you were given erroneous information on how Sp and Su work in 3.5.

Debby

Silva Stormrage
2012-11-19, 06:23 PM
No no I understand how they normally work. However for these abilities I wanted them to provoke AOO's and not give spell resistance (Save for vector plate that does give SR)


So I could either make them special case supernatural abilities that provoke AOO's or special case spell like abilities abilities that don't allow spell resistance.

In the end I went with Spell like abilities because it required me to change less from the normal rules.

Debihuman
2012-11-19, 08:05 PM
You're right, I did misunderstand. Why did you find it necessary to change it at all is my question? Just curious since it kinda makes it hard to use in a standard game.

Debby

Kyton
2012-11-20, 01:34 AM
I'm currently planning to use this in a campaign that should be starting up soon so I'll be able to give a milage report then but for now here are my thoughts on the recent changes.

I'm not sure that a will save is appropriate for the vector plate, it is adding velocity rather than attempting to influence the mind in some way, perhaps a reflex save would be more appropriate (and something like if they succeed they get to move into a free space adjacent to the plate or something) though that would make them a bit heavy on the targeting of the reflex saves.

Also with the recent drop to half class level bonus on craft (alchemy) the DCs for crafting the Black Blood are nothing that can be consistently achieved at the levels they are given (assuming a +3 int bonus and max ranks in the skill you have a total bonus of +16 before any circumstance modifiers or item bonuses which then requires a 14 to succeed for the potion and it isn't much better for the injection, albeit by the injection they should have gotten something as far as items)

I'd also like to see a few generalized utility spells such as detect magic and such but that's just a personal preference. Perhaps something like Eclectic Learning might help give a bit more versatility.

Otherwise I feel that you have done a great job with this class, please keep up the great work!

Edit: Oh would it also be possible to get the skills ordered into alphabetical order? Thanks!

Debihuman
2012-11-20, 03:02 AM
Here is the spell list in order.

1st Level Spells
Bane
Bestow Wound
Cause Fear
Charm Person
Chill Touch
Doom
Extract Drug (BoVD)
Ray of Enfeeblement
Tongue of Baalzebul (BoVD)
Unseen Servant

2nd Level Spells
Addiction (BoVD)
Blindness/Deafness
Darkbolt (BoVD)
Death Knell
False Life
Ghoul Touch
Scare
Stolen Breath (Spc)
Suggestion
Unseen Crafter (Races of Eberron)

3rd Level Spells
Bestow Curse
Death Ward
Crushing Despair
Ray of Exhaustion
Tongue Serpent (BoVD)
Vampiric Touch
Wither Limb (SpC)

4th Level Spells
Burning Blood
Charm Monster
Contagion
Enervation
Fear
Liquid Pain (BoVD)
Phantasmal Killer
Ruin Delver's Fortune (SpC)

5th level Spells
Cloudkill
Contagion Mass (SpC)
Dominate Person
Nightmare
Slay Living
Spirit Wall
Waves of Exhaustion
Wrack (SpC)

Silva Stormrage
2012-11-20, 05:14 PM
Here is the spell list in order.

1st Level Spells
Bane
Bestow Wound
Cause Fear
Charm Person
Chill Touch
Doom
Extract Drug (BoVD)
Ray of Enfeeblement
Tongue of Baalzebul (BoVD)
Unseen Servant

2nd Level Spells
Addiction (BoVD)
Blindness/Deafness
Darkbolt (BoVD)
Death Knell
False Life
Ghoul Touch
Scare
Stolen Breath (Spc)
Suggestion
Unseen Crafter (Races of Eberron)

3rd Level Spells
Bestow Curse
Death Ward
Crushing Despair
Ray of Exhaustion
Tongue Serpent (BoVD)
Vampiric Touch
Wither Limb (SpC)

4th Level Spells
Burning Blood
Charm Monster
Contagion
Enervation
Fear
Liquid Pain (BoVD)
Phantasmal Killer
Ruin Delver's Fortune (SpC)

5th level Spells
Cloudkill
Contagion Mass (SpC)
Dominate Person
Nightmare
Slay Living
Spirit Wall
Waves of Exhaustion
Wrack (SpC)

Thank you a lot for this!


I will change the bonus to alchemy back. I don't think that could really unbalance alchemy anyway as its somewhat weak.

Hm, I think you are right for will save on vector plate. I probably just should do the bull rush check that people were suggesting earlier. Maybe a good formula is charisma + caster level.

Silva Stormrage
2012-11-22, 03:50 PM
You're right, I did misunderstand. Why did you find it necessary to change it at all is my question? Just curious since it kinda makes it hard to use in a standard game.

Debby

Oh and I found that I never anwsered this question. Really it isn't that complicated all I did was make a Spell Like Ability that doesn't give SR. Which several do, any spell like ability that duplicates say Orb of Fire or Solid Fog won't give SR. Just imagine Vector Arrows or Vector Plate being a spell that doesn't allow spell resistance.

Silva Stormrage
2013-06-13, 06:51 PM
Updated the vector witch. Trying to make it more versatile and reduce its damage. Making it a more valid crafter as well.

Gave the assorted Spell Like Abilities effective spell levels for feats such as empower spell like ability, etc. Vector Arrows is treated as level 2 for those feats though despite having a scaling level.

Gave it an expanded spell list and bard spell casting but no longer knows all the spells on her spell list.

Reduced Vector Plate's Bull Rush Bonus (I thought bull rush normally had BAB added to it)

Noted what happens to objects that go over the vector plate

Reduced Light Serpants damage and increased its saving throw dc.

Vector Drill's Damage is reduced but lasts until the beginning of the Vector Witch's next turn so it can be used for AOO's.

Vector Arrow is now reflex half and does 1d6 damage/class level.

Snake's tail: Specifies you can use 5ft steps with snake tail.

Soul Protect only stops function if the Vector Witch uses an SU or spell like ability granted by the Vector Witch class. Racial or item abilities can be used fine.

Mass Vector Plate: Now the vector plates can affect targets any height above the plates instead of just 5ft.

Analysis Disassemble is now a move action to use.

Vector Boost's damage is reduced

Enhanced Vector Arrows now removes a target's evasion or reduces improved evasion to evasion.

Vector Tempest now lasts for 10 rounds.