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Novawurmson
2012-02-16, 12:09 PM
One thing I have noticed about the boards is that, on average, classes with excellent optimization guides get played more often than classes that don't. Unfortunately for Pathfinder aficionados, most of the best 3.5 optimization guides don't apply to Pathfinder because they use class features, feats and items unavailable to "PF Pure" games or were written at the launch of Pathfinder, before Ultimate Magic, Ultimate Combat, and the Advanced Player's Guide.

I would like this thread to serve three purposes:

1. To act as a compendium of optimization guides for Pathfinder classes.

2. To inspire people to make optimization guides for those classes that lack them.

3. To inspire people to make better optimization guides for outdated or incomplete guides.

Core Classes:

Barbarian
-How to become the Lord of Rage by N. Jolly (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1plVgdYb5KYxtXiysgd_pzdK-37PCmz2u9VzpuvNPDdo/edit)
-Elewan's Pathfinder Barbarian Guide (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1im9-alhmNPAIQknkclrrhLupSFb6vmMNnQmW8BuORBA)
-Anger Management: A Pathfinder Guide to the Barbarian by Novawurmson (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12732426#post12732426)
-BARBARIAN AM SMASH - A Practical Guide to Breaking Faces (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ump_KFzNoD7x6aJ9ywGank5G9DzSVlef28bBbjuIq2U/edit?pli=1)
Bard
-Treantmonk's Guide to Bards: Pathfinder Core Rules (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/test2)
Cleric
-Rogue Eidolon's Guide to Clerics Abridged) (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/rogue-eidolon-s-lab/rogue-eidolon-s-guide-to-clerics)
---Domain advice only
---Some people have problems accessing Rogue Eidolon's guides
-Tark's Big Holy Book of Clerical Optimization (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h6-_4HvPvV-Tt7I67Gi_oPhgHmeDVA5SBl-WrJSgf5s/edit?hl=en&pli=1)
-Axe’s Guide to Finding Divinity (http://pfs.shadowsofcommand.com/Cleric%20Optomization.htm)
Druid
-Treantmonk's The Druid Handbook Part 1: The Wild Mystic (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/druid-handbook-part-1)
-Treantmonk's The Druid Handbook Part 2: The Spirit of the Beast (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/druid-handbook-part-2)
-Treantmonk's The Druid Handbook Part 3: Druid Spells Examined (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/druid-handbook-part-3)
Fighter
-Rogue Eidolon's Guide to Fighters (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/rogue-eidolon-s-lab/rogue-eidolon-s-guide-to-fighters)
---Some people have problems accessing Rogue Eidolon's guides
Monk
-Treantmonk's Guide to Monks (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/treantmonk-s-guide-to-monks)
-kcmorris' A Guide to the Qinggong Monk (Pathfinder) (http://kcmorris.hubpages.com/hub/A-Guide-to-the-Qinggong-Monk-Pathfinder)
-A Comprehensive Guide to the Monk by Revel (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7b8EGfd1Lu3MTNiMjIyMjUtOWVkYS00ODEyLTkwMTA tMTI3Yjk1MTFkNDFk&hl=en_US)
-streamofthesky's Zen Archer Handbook (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2858.0)
Paladin
-Cryptic's Guide to the Pathfinder Paladin: Being a God's Wrecking Hammer (https://docs.google.com/View?id=dcrgj6j5_15cf2jkgfh)
Ranger
-Treantmonk's Guide to Rangers (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/test2/treantmonk-s-guide-to-rangers)
-Lastoths Guide to Archery Rangers (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=11JBYSqZhVxgKCPjYJBhH13k73j6fUoeFnVCKwutC42 M)
Rogue
-Rogue Eidolon's Guide to Rogues (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/rogue-eidolon-s-lab/rogue-eidolon-s-guide-to-rogues)
---Some people have problems accessing Rogue Eidolon's guides
Sorcerer
-The (almost) Complete Guide to Sorcerers: A Minstrel's Take on God's Hot Sister (https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ae0QGAqQqqSpZGNicGM2eHRfM2R0ejVtN2d2&hl=en)
Wizard
-Treantmonk's Guide to Pathfinder Wizards: Being a God (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/test)
-THE COMPLETE Professor Q's Guide to the Pathfinder Wizard (https://docs.google.com/document/d/13IZTV59ItNsK63RHQo2XGkjMKiU8LfRu5PCaE3R5lco/edit)

Advanced Player's Guide:

Alchemist
-Ogre's Alchemist Guide (http://pathfinder.ogrehut.com/2010/07/alchemist-build-guide/)
-N. Jolly's Guide to Alchemical Genius (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293307)
Antipaladin
-Bodhi’s Guide to the Optimal Paladin & Antipaladin (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SoUzuIY8EXh2Q0-JULnlckrBzG1nO4NFp7lep8c9EwU/edit?hl=en_GB&pli=1)
Cavalier
-The Cavalier's Code: An Optimization Guide (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uuAB8SfE5ssZLYwa1LuQQ4haz1tD1q28Iyl8XAdMNxY/edit?hl=en_US)
Inquisitor
-Jadeite’s Guide to the Inquisitor (https://docs.google.com/document/d/19N7y6cKFLAr2KMMiKc8A1XG6R4iOmwaNFS7iAs17zyU/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1)
-Bodhi’s Guide to the Optimal Inquisitor (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gFK_A8YV84hMUMXjxvCLFTnGO2GF7CMQiGIYyAQ2kns/edit?pli=1)
---Needs Spanish translation
Oracle
-Channeling the Cosmos: A Guide to the Oracle by Sean FitzSimon (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WdtrZCESRmVfljXY196wMrMLTnS8Uzk4DEk3oQdVZok/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1)
Summoner
-Saph's The Summoner's Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184592)
---Finally, a GitP guide!
-Summoning Information - a guide to an alternate Eidolon (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oRoaIVTmDH7k6tVbTdXzuw-dYTPkdRo57NYB5Wv7vJo/edit#)
Witch
-streamofthesky's Witch Handbook (http://torchofspirit.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=177)
-Hubble, bubble, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble (A guide to Witches: Pathfinder Rules) (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1avH5AFYaZ838OC_W7BY_Bnt1TH9KGCc2ygTOb0CiYu 0)
-The Viking Irishman’s Guide to Witches (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1SZl8EKYeB_NAmb_wdhIs4MN2D8pya_Y-v4Hs-ZB_M3s&pli=1)

Ultimate Magic:

Magus
-Walter's Guide to the Magus (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/-walter-s-lab/embedded-magus)

Ultimate Combat:

Gunslinger
-Cieyrin's The Gunslinger's Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213035#post11719688)
-Drake_Rocket's Guide to Grand Gunslinginger Greatness (http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderRPG/advice/drakeRocketsGuideToGrandGunslingingerGreatness)
Ninja
-Death from the Shadow: A Guide to the Ninja (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEZyEP-yooZdGprglxcEorpL_EnPfUqr6M89uHmF8Bo/edit?pli=1)
-Also see the Rogue guides, as the classes are mostly the same.
Samurai
-None that I can find; mostly the same as Cavalier

Other Pathfinder:

-The Big Fat Feat Compendium (WIP) (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c5CQsqzKj6cIQD1sQJi1cA43fs8EgixYluInNQqR9G0/edit?usp=sharing) by Novawurmson
-A Guide to Traits (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dVQA-uI740Hh8vq-zsnbHV6UwJg-4QKlpmkxBEmCdhA/edit) by Dragonamedrake
-[PF] A Brief Guide to Martial Tanking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16609983) by watchwood.
-CTP’s Guide to Pathfinder Mythic Adventures (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316045)
-[PF] CTP's Guide to Words of Power by CockroachTeaParty (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15638334)
-[PF] Oradin Mini-Guide. Or, How to be a Healbot, minus the 'bot' (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257365), by grarrrg
-Archetype Combos: Doing all the work b/c reading charts is bloody annoying by Cieyrin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12555815#post12555815)
-Pathfinder: Dipping for Fun and Profit (mostly Profit) by grarrrg
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230500)-Pathfinder Player Race List by grarrrg (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11069415)
-Words of Power Handbook by The-Mage-King (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205030)
-Strategy Articles and Player Aid Downloads for PFS (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248582)
-Why work when others can do it for you - a guide to Summoning (https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dZ5SBQMS1Yi6531tXOkKE_rmXEwn4VFacOEQKiHA5E/edit?pli=1#)
-Spells from Summoned Monsters (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hXTPH3JxSDD6n0a0dS8eywpQ3we09d_ToBWaL1yphBk/edit)

3rd Party Pathfinder

Psionics Unleashed:

Psion
-None that I can find
Psychic Warrior
-On the Melding of Martial and Mental Mastery (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kM0wGV_JnkCU6cYAdLFP-vzlPvU4PNDLR3rDMQBX-9Y/edit): Jackissocool's Guide to the Psychic Warrior
Soulknife
-Psyren's Sharpening the Mind: A Guide to the Pathfinder Soulknife (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203014)
Wilder
-Where the Wilder Things Are: The Pathfinder Wilder (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bb4KrtEGyJ0mWkPdMC7_wXiSrZOUibk4GL32aidD1WM/edit?usp=sharing) by Novawurmson

Psionics Expanded:

Aegis
-Armor of the Mind: The Aegis (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U7FY9aFIXveyvQyUV2W7X2yZsLZlOpQARrWkC4DNmC0/edit?usp=sharing) by Novawurmson
Cryptic
-[PF] Trapsmith, Tattoo Artist, Master Thief: Unraveling the Cryptic (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RxC-BKcPvvsQELUGZVCCrd7Z5Rp5K3LoB_RGdjaQ1TA/edit?usp=sharing)
---WIP
Dread
-Placeholder
Marksman
-None that I can find
Tactician
-Novawurmson's The Chess Master: A Tactical Guide to the Tactician (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228324)
---WIP
Vitalist
-Psyren's Mental Medicine: a Vitalist Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222365)

Path of War:

-Striking from the Shadows, a Guide to the PoW Stalker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317986) by Elricaltovilla
-Commanding the Battle: A Guide to the PoW Warlord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17118526) by Elricaltovilla
-PoW Discipline Weapon reference tables (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?370912-PoW-Discipline-Weapon-reference-tables) by Greenish
-Path of War - Ranged Maneuver List (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?373397-Path-of-War-Ranged-Maneuver-List) by Ilorin Lorati

Pact Magic Unbound, Vol. 1:

-Pacting in Pathfinder - The Occultist Handbook (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FGgq3CJYQaeAugHvaaws-ak1ryZzijKou_w1KN0D9HA/pub), By Psyren

...and here's a whole 'nother "Guide of Guides" (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1932.0) if this one wasn't enough for you!

If you know of a guide, find a guide, or write a guide for any of these classes, please comment with a link!

Morbis Meh
2012-02-16, 12:13 PM
Just a note... Rogue Eidolon's guides never show up for me and apparently this is a common problem...

Novawurmson
2012-02-16, 12:14 PM
Just a note... Rogue Eidolon's guides never show up for me and apparently this is a common problem...

Hrm. I bet it's because they're in Google Docs format - I'm almost always logged into Gmail when I'm browsing the internet, so they work just fine for me.

I'll make a note of it on the compendium. All the more reason to have GitP guides for these classes!

balistafreak
2012-02-16, 12:36 PM
kcmorris has many other guides, in addition to the Qinggong Monk. Note however that these are not full compendiums, analyses, or breakdowns of the class like treantmonk is famous for, but just a few main pointers. "X is what you should focus, Y is a trap, Z is a respectable alternative" sort of advice, kind of like a longwinded forum post, but a little better formatted than most.

It's still great for getting SparkNotes version of a class's strength/viable builds, though.

jmelesky
2012-02-16, 12:43 PM
There's a similar thread (http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz3shy?Guide-to-the-Guides) at the Paizo boards which is probably worth poaching.

Novawurmson
2012-02-16, 12:49 PM
I mostly ignored kcmorris' guides that I read over; most of them that I saw just covered one archetype in little detail. I specifically included the Qinggong guide because every Pathfinder Monk should be taking Qinggong.

I'm going to go ahead and start on a PF Barbarian guide. Monk will be next, with Tactician being updated from time to time (but unfortunately unfinished until Psionics Expanded is released on the SRD).

@jmelesky: Well, that improves this list quite a bit. Making changes...

Cieyrin
2012-02-16, 12:55 PM
They're not on specific classes but my Archetype Combos Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12555815#post12555815) and grarrrg's Class Dipping Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230500) are helpful for figuring out what works together and what can be gained with a bit of investment.

Novawurmson
2012-02-16, 01:00 PM
They're not on specific classes but my Archetype Combos Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12555815#post12555815) and grarrrg's Class Dipping Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230500) are helpful for figuring out what works together and what can be gained with a bit of investment.

Ah, I was hoping someone would bring those two up. Consider them added.

grarrrg
2012-02-16, 03:12 PM
Ninja
-None that I can find
Samurai
-None that I can find

Ninja is basically a Copy/Paste Rogue. Recommend changing the text to something like "None specifically, see Rogue for general ideas"

Samurai/Cavalier is the same situation, just there there is no real Cavalier guide. *shrug*

Also, I have a fairly up-to-date 'Player Race (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11069415)' guide. Good for quick-ish reference on Stat adjusts and Sizing. Does NOT go into great detail (like most race guides), but it can point you in the right direction.
Unless someone else has a better one somewhere?

Novawurmson
2012-02-16, 03:28 PM
Ninja is basically a Copy/Paste Rogue. Recommend changing the text to something like "None specifically, see Rogue for general ideas"

Samurai/Cavalier is the same situation, just there there is no real Cavalier guide. *shrug*

Also, I have a fairly up-to-date 'Player Race (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11069415)' guide. Good for quick-ish reference on Stat adjusts and Sizing. Does NOT go into great detail (like most race guides), but it can point you in the right direction.
Unless someone else has a better one somewhere?

Added and updated. I'd write a Cavalier/Samurai guide...but I don't want to encourage people to play a Cavalier XD

The-Mage-King
2012-02-16, 11:49 PM
There's my guide to Word of Power...


I'm still working on it...

Novawurmson
2012-02-17, 10:10 AM
There's my guide to Word of Power...

Added.

I'm making good progress on my Barbarian guide...might even by finished by next week. Is anyone up for taking on the Cavalier? It certainly is a class in need of optimizaiton.

Morbis Meh
2012-02-17, 10:27 AM
Hrm. I bet it's because they're in Google Docs format - I'm almost always logged into Gmail when I'm browsing the internet, so they work just fine for me.

I'll make a note of it on the compendium. All the more reason to have GitP guides for these classes!

I am always logged onto Gmail... they still don't work most people on the paizo board say the same...

slugboy_73
2012-02-17, 10:30 AM
Thank you so very much for posting this Nova!! I do have the Piazo one fav'ed and now this one is too!

Krazzman
2012-02-17, 01:39 PM
Nice one Nova :D

But there is one problem, some of these guides are either incomplete (Barbarian one wasn't changed in these past 5 month, your guide is still in progress...) or, like walters, designed for PFS -> not optimal enough. Would be great if you could mention things like that.

Novawurmson
2012-02-17, 02:34 PM
Nice one Nova :D

But there is one problem, some of these guides are either incomplete (Barbarian one wasn't changed in these past 5 month, your guide is still in progress...) or, like walters, designed for PFS -> not optimal enough. Would be great if you could mention things like that.

Yup. The next step in this "Guide to the Guides" is to make notes on what guides are incomplete, core-only, etc. Some of these guides I've read in detail, repeatedly (such as Treantmonk's Ranger handbook) and some of them I've only skimmed once. If anyone wants to help make notes on them, I'd appreciate it.

Cieyrin
2012-02-17, 07:45 PM
Gunslinger's Handbook will get finished someday, it's just I keep getting kicked by RL, like finding out this morning there was a death in my family and I'll possibly be attending the funeral, depending on whether I can afford to get there or not. Things just keep piling on...

Krazzman
2012-02-22, 08:17 AM
Another thing I just saw...

Why only one Paladin Guide? There is another one on the paizo boards that is better than the one you listed here.
Just can't remember the name of the author right now... I think it was something with "H"...

Novawurmson
2012-02-26, 09:20 PM
I used my own compendium today when trying to build a Cleric.

...We need a better Cleric guide :smallannoyed:

grarrrg
2012-02-26, 10:21 PM
I used my own compendium today when trying to build a Cleric.

...We need a better Cleric guide :smallannoyed:

Why?
Just because one only covers Domains
Another assumes Clerics should never-ever-ever get into Melee (no not even then), and worries too much about PCS compatibility, and seems woefully out of date.
And the third... actually the Big Holy Book doesn't seem too bad. Although he is quite a bit biased/crazy in certain areas (he mentions Barb 2 being a good dip and "necessary to enter the Rage Prophet PrC"....yeah....).

Oh, and the fact that NONE of them cover Sub-Domains EVER?

StreamOfTheSky
2012-06-02, 01:21 AM
Wow, you found the workings of my guide from my game forum. :smallsmile:

That is far from complete, though. The most up to date version of my Witch Guide is here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=480.0).

I also have a Zen Archer Monk handbook (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2858.0).

In addition to the paizo forum guide to the guides, you may also find the minmaxboards thread for PF handbooks (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1932.0) useful.

Novawurmson
2012-06-02, 03:08 PM
I think this might be thread necromancy, but I was planning on PMing a Mod to ask for permission to update this soon anyway.

I'll update with these links soon - prolly tomorrow.


Edit: OOOOOoooor I could do it hella later. Well, they're up now.

Golkiwu
2012-06-02, 04:23 PM
Whenever I read the Monk Guides, I always see the mention of supplying the Wizard with Wands to buff the Monk. I prefer to use the following Trait instead:

Dangerously Curious

You have always been intrigued by magic, possibly because you were the child of a magician or priest. You often snuck into your parent’s laboratory or shrine to tinker with spell components and magic devices, and often caused quite a bit of damage and headaches for your parent as a result.

Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on Use Magic Device checks, and Use Magic Device is always a class skill for you.

It takes skill points to get it up, and it helps to have a decent Charisma score (there is a cheap headband for that though), but once you hit +19 (and you get a +1 on it from the trait) you can use any wand you want, no Wizard required.

Just saying.....:smallwink:

StreamOfTheSky
2012-06-02, 05:16 PM
Dangerously curious is great. It just takes a long time to get your UMD to +19 when charisma is your class's only dump stat. Even with charisma "only" dumped to 8, you're going to need to be level 16 (16 ranks -1 cha +1 trait +3 class skill bonus) just to be able to use those wands w/o chance of failure.

Also, I tend to suggest pearls of power, not wands. A wand of mage armor means that +4 AC is going poof anytime anyone casts dispel. Mage Armor at the Wizard's full caster level? That's gonna last. Ideally, you don't need to buy him pearls and he's enough of a team player to see the value in using some low level spells to help you out, but whatever.

deuxhero
2012-06-02, 05:35 PM
Because the trait seems to be invisible to the d20pfsrd.com search function (even searching for it by name fails to bring up anything) and rarely shows up in discussion, I might as well mention Underlying Principles (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/religion-traits/underlying-principals-nethys) also works if you can pull traits from outside the APG/UM/UC. It's mainly for (Anti)Paladins and possibly Rangers, who can't get both Magical Knack and Dangerously Curious at the same time.

Novawurmson
2012-07-06, 08:05 PM
Added "Strategy Articles and Player Aid Downloads for PFS and Pathfinder in general" by Harpy!

Numinous
2012-09-04, 05:49 PM
I've found these guides by neonchameleon (here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13714318&postcount=616)) useful:

Non-combat eidolons (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oRoaIVTmDH7k6tVbTdXzuw-dYTPkdRo57NYB5Wv7vJo/edit#)

a guide to summoning (https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dZ5SBQMS1Yi6531tXOkKE_rmXEwn4VFacOEQKiHA5E/edit?pli=1#)

Novawurmson
2012-09-04, 05:52 PM
I've found these guides by neonchameleon

Added both. Thanks!

Andvare
2012-09-05, 05:10 AM
There is also this just shy of 200 pages long wizard guide. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/13IZTV59ItNsK63RHQo2XGkjMKiU8LfRu5PCaE3R5lco/edit)

From here (http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz6anq?Complete-Wizard-Guide-Ver-20)

He seems to put a bit too much emphasis on the high levels and hates enchanting with a passion. I also get the distinct feeling that he loves blasting, and rates the spells accordingly.

Novawurmson
2012-09-05, 08:33 AM
Read over it and added it. I don't agree with all of his conclusions, but he does eventually get around to saying that a Wizard should buff and do battlefield control instead of using damage spells primarily, and there is a lot of useful information in there even if you need to dig a little.

Andvare
2012-09-05, 11:21 AM
Read over it and added it. I don't agree with all of his conclusions, but he does eventually get around to saying that a Wizard should buff and do battlefield control instead of using damage spells primarily, and there is a lot of useful information in there even if you need to dig a little.

Yeah, that was my conclusion as well.
His original add-on to Treantmonks guide were heavily in favour of blasting IIRC, blasting with matemagic, but still blasting.

Andvare
2012-09-05, 11:38 AM
My own list of spells you can cast via Summon Monster. Unfortunately, there is a lot of the creature that have SLAs you cannot use, due to them having a material cost. True Seeing for example. A darn shame.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hXTPH3JxSDD6n0a0dS8eywpQ3we09d_ToBWaL1yphBk/edit

Andvare
2012-09-06, 01:52 AM
There is a new barbarian guide over on the Paizo forums.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ump_KFzNoD7x6aJ9ywGank5G9DzSVlef28bBbjuIq2U/edit?pli=1

I'm not all to well versed in the workings of the barbarian, so I can't say if it is on the level or not. Seems decent enough, but doesn't bring up much that the other did, me thinks.

Novawurmson
2012-09-06, 07:56 AM
Added both. Of course, I'm partial to my own Barbarian guide, but BARBARIAN AM SMASH includes descriptions of feats and sample builds - two things mine doesn't.

grarrrg
2012-09-06, 05:31 PM
Added both. Of course, I'm partial to my own Barbarian guide, but BARBARIAN AM SMASH includes descriptions of feats and sample builds - two things mine doesn't.

Your guide also lacks the BEST OPENING PARAGRAPH EVER!!!1!!

Akal Saris
2012-09-06, 08:24 PM
It's short & a rather niche guide, but you're welcome to add my guide on using the channel energy feats offensively as a cleric/oracle:

The Hangover Cleric Build/Mini-Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13218094#post13218094)

Doorhandle
2013-01-20, 03:16 AM
I would suggest this guide (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=11JBYSqZhVxgKCPjYJBhH13k73j6fUoeFnVCKwutC42 M)to archery rangers, particularly the detail in which it explains the animal companions usefulness.

Also, found a ninja guide. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEZyEP-yooZdGprglxcEorpL_EnPfUqr6M89uHmF8Bo/edit?pli=1)

Novawurmson
2013-01-20, 08:42 PM
I would suggest this guide (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=11JBYSqZhVxgKCPjYJBhH13k73j6fUoeFnVCKwutC42 M)to archery rangers, particularly the detail in which it explains the animal companions usefulness.

Also, found a ninja guide. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEZyEP-yooZdGprglxcEorpL_EnPfUqr6M89uHmF8Bo/edit?pli=1)

Awesome. Added!

Broken Zenith
2013-02-18, 01:22 PM
I thought I'd point people to the Comprehensive Guides Guide (http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html). It has virtually every Pathfinder guide on the interwebs.

Comprehensive Guides Guide (http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html)

Voyd211
2013-02-25, 12:42 PM
Are there any guides like this for races? Like, classes, skills and feats that work well with a given race?

For instance, a Treantmonk-style overview of kobolds, along with the classes, feats and skills that complement them.

Gnaeus
2013-02-25, 12:52 PM
I have a general optimization guide in my sig. Not 3.5/pf specific, but good general optimization stuff.

Voyd211
2013-02-25, 05:07 PM
Besides my earlier post, a lot of the current optimization guides don't cover for the featured and uncommon races. How good is a kobold sorcerer? A goblin alchemist? A merfolk summoner?

Some of these guides, I'd like some expansion as far as races are concerned.

Cieyrin
2013-02-25, 06:57 PM
Besides my earlier post, a lot of the current optimization guides don't cover for the featured and uncommon races. How good is a kobold sorcerer? A goblin alchemist? A merfolk summoner?

Some of these guides, I'd like some expansion as far as races are concerned.

I cover them in mine, though I really need to revise some of my earlier content and I have no idea when I'll find the time to do so...stupid job taking up guide writing time. :smalltongue:

StreamOfTheSky
2013-02-25, 07:25 PM
Kobold is easy to cover:

Don't be a kobold. Ever. No, not even then.

There, that was easy. I'd like to thank Paizo for making the writing of this advice so easy by giving kobolds a net -6 to stats compared to most races and not one single redeeming quality or even "weak, but cool" flavor option. If only all my guides could be so quick to write and yet completely informative.

Voyd211
2013-02-25, 09:46 PM
Well, there IS the Draconic Aspect feat tree. Isn't that helpful to kobolds?

Increased natural armor, fly speed, breath weapon and +6 resistance to sleep and paralysis doesn't look like anything to sneeze at.

grarrrg
2013-02-26, 05:02 PM
Well, there IS the Draconic Aspect feat tree. Isn't that helpful to kobolds?

Increased natural armor, fly speed, breath weapon and +6 resistance to sleep and paralysis doesn't look like anything to sneeze at.

Technically yes, it helps.
But for the cost (4 feats!) it doesn't help near enough.

+1 Natural Armor is pretty poor (there is both an Alt-Race Trait and a Feat to get either this or Energy Resist 5, since the Resist is overall better, it is assumed you'd take the Trait).
One "wings" feat gets you "Feather Fall that requires a Skill Check", a 2nd feat (at level 10) gives you a 20ft. Fly Speed.
The Breath Weapon just makes me laugh. With the one feat, you get a _one_ per day Breath that does 2d6 damage. With a 2nd feat you get a _two_ per day Breath that does 4d6 damage (ooooh...aaah).

The only thing worth salvaging here is the Fly Speed, and I'm not sure that it is worth 3 feats for only a 20ft. Flight Speed.

OverdrivePrime
2013-02-26, 08:23 PM
Subscribed!
Thanks for the initiative on this valuable thread, Nova! http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w219/mwellenstein/Win/horns.gif

Crustypeanut
2013-03-15, 06:55 AM
Love this thread, as I have it favorited and check it all the time when I need a optimization guide.

However, theres one thing I think is missing - guides to major PF prestige classes, such as the Arcane Trickster, Dragon Disciple, etc.

Is it that there are no good actual guides for them? If so, I might get around to making a PF Mystic Theurge guide.. imo the class is so complex due to its.. insanity.. that it needs a guide lol.

Anyhoo, thanks for compiling these guides!

Blade Conduit
2013-03-15, 11:41 AM
Anyone know of one for rangers that covers the natural attack combat style? I could use some help. Thanks much!

Blind_Prophet
2013-06-29, 01:13 AM
Anyone found a better Alchemist guide? Orc's is nice but no where near the in depth nature of other guide's like Treant Monk's God Wizard guide or Walter's guide to the magus.

Note: I'm not trying trying to be rude I'm just hoping I missed something and coming from 3.5/4e where the only issue with guides is choosing which of the 20 guides for each class you prefer it's kinda sad to see guoides so scarce (despite PF proving itself to be superior)

Andvare
2013-06-29, 04:19 AM
Are there any guides like this for races? Like, classes, skills and feats that work well with a given race?

For instance, a Treantmonk-style overview of kobolds, along with the classes, feats and skills that complement them.

There is this (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XvXoXHlLBk6bdi-8es4r-FDLiaEGnM9YTW6hMl5kuQo) one. But it is completely bonkers. I disagree with a lot of the stuff in there, if not all of it.

Drachasor
2013-06-29, 07:11 AM
Kobold is easy to cover:

Don't be a kobold. Ever. No, not even then.

There, that was easy. I'd like to thank Paizo for making the writing of this advice so easy by giving kobolds a net -6 to stats compared to most races and not one single redeeming quality or even "weak, but cool" flavor option. If only all my guides could be so quick to write and yet completely informative.

Or port in all the 3.5 Kobold stuff and ignore the Paizo stuff (except traits, I guess). And don't forget the web supplement. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) You know, I don't know why it seems almost everyone involved with Pathfinder seems to hate to involve anything with 3.5. There's quite a bit that can be ported without a problem. Hmm, you would need to give 3.5 Kobolds another +2 bonus to a stat. I'd say Charisma would work. That or decrease the Strength penalty to -2.

Paizo loves to make things total crap so that if you like a concept you have to suffer being awful. Heck, compare Kobold flying options to Aasimar or Sylphs. Kobolds need more feats and get something worse. Lame! Races of the Dragon just does Kobolds better.

Novawurmson
2013-06-29, 11:30 AM
Anyone found a better Alchemist guide? Orc's is nice but no where near the in depth nature of other guide's like Treant Monk's God Wizard guide or Walter's guide to the magus.

Note: I'm not trying trying to be rude I'm just hoping I missed something and coming from 3.5/4e where the only issue with guides is choosing which of the 20 guides for each class you prefer it's kinda sad to see guoides so scarce (despite PF proving itself to be superior)

Actually, part of the point of starting this compendium was to draw attention to the fact that not every class has a guide and not every class has a good guide. One of my players is considering alchemist for my next campaign, and I've been toying with the idea of starting a guide - though I still haven't really finished my barbarian guide.

137ben
2013-06-29, 12:45 PM
So...I can't help but notice that there are two (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m612&page=1?Guide-to-the-Class-Guides) other meta-guides (http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html) for PF, which contain several guides not on your list:smallsmile:

Blind_Prophet
2013-06-29, 09:45 PM
So...I can't help but notice that there are two (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m612&page=1?Guide-to-the-Class-Guides) other meta-guides (http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html) for PF, which contain several guides not on your list:smallsmile:

The 2nd has way more class guides than the first but the 1st one has a bunch more Prestige Class guides and "Other" guides...if you (Nova) took what your missing from both guides yours would be quite extensive than we could focus on trying to petition people who are good at these guides things to nicely make some of the missing ones...or have people point them out

Novawurmson
2013-06-30, 12:15 AM
Alchemist is probably the most obviously-undeserved class. I could make a thread about it, if there's interest?

Andvare
2013-06-30, 05:33 PM
Alchemist is probably the most obviously-undeserved class. I could make a thread about it, if there's interest?

Undeserved?

I like the idea of an Alchemist class, though I'm not all to happy about the way PF have done it.

Blind_Prophet
2013-06-30, 06:19 PM
Undeserved?

I like the idea of an Alchemist class, though I'm not all to happy about the way PF have done it.

Yeah It's more Drug Addict/Mad Bomber than Alchemist...I think he meant Underused

Novawurmson
2013-06-30, 08:24 PM
I meant "underserved" lol. I was a little tipsy last night on the forums.

Andvare
2013-07-01, 12:15 AM
I meant "underserved" lol. I was a little tipsy last night on the forums.

:smallbiggrin:

We've all been there, well, I have.

Blind_Prophet
2013-07-01, 07:03 AM
:smallbiggrin:

We've all been there, well, I have.

Either tipsy or up to 4am slaving away to finish a character concept cause your brain won't shut up about it. :smallcool:

Sporeegg
2013-11-04, 07:07 AM
Cavalier Guide (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uuAB8SfE5ssZLYwa1LuQQ4haz1tD1q28Iyl8XAdMNxY/edit?hl=en_US) - and a marvelous one.

Novawurmson
2013-11-04, 09:05 AM
Excellent! I'll add it at once.

Sporeegg
2013-11-04, 09:33 AM
There is a Guide to Guides (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m612?Guide-to-the-Class-Guides) in the paizo forum. Along with the missing Samurai (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gD4kwJXJPMUDGuKsvYiL03ACj-ZqiwDcMrkHtV9mmKI/edit) Guide.

N. Jolly
2013-11-27, 04:03 AM
Sup bro, can you take the (WIP) label off of my Alch guide?

Also got a barbarian guide of mine to add to the pile.

How to become the Lord of Rage (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1plVgdYb5KYxtXiysgd_pzdK-37PCmz2u9VzpuvNPDdo/edit?usp=sharing)

Novawurmson
2013-11-27, 09:50 AM
Sup bro, can you take the (WIP) label off of my Alch guide?

Also got a barbarian guide of mine to add to the pile.

How to become the Lord of Rage (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1plVgdYb5KYxtXiysgd_pzdK-37PCmz2u9VzpuvNPDdo/edit?usp=sharing)

Changed and added!

Edit: Also did some work on my Aegis guide.

GhorrinRedblade
2013-12-09, 11:53 AM
Hello,

Pardon what could be a silly question from an extreme noob to this forum, but why isn't this thread stickied? Seems like handy info to keep up top-side.

Thanks,
Ghorrin

Novawurmson
2013-12-09, 12:42 PM
Hello,

Pardon what could be a silly question from an extreme noob to this forum, but why isn't this thread stickied? Seems like handy info to keep up top-side.

Thanks,
Ghorrin

It's a decent idea. My guesses as to why not:

1. There are very few threads stickied on the forums. Even some incredibly commonly referenced threads (such as Tier System for Classes and Urpriest's monsters explanation guide) aren't stickied, and I'd probably put those above mine.

2. It's fairly easy to find this thread (and many of these class guides) with a quick Google search.

3. You can subscribe to threads to keep track of threads you like or think you'll use again.

GhorrinRedblade
2013-12-09, 12:57 PM
It's a decent idea. My guesses as to why not:

1. There are very few threads stickied on the forums. Even some incredibly commonly referenced threads (such as Tier System for Classes and Urpriest's monsters explanation guide) aren't stickied, and I'd probably put those above mine.

2. It's fairly easy to find this thread (and many of these class guides) with a quick Google search.

3. You can subscribe to threads to keep track of threads you like or think you'll use again.

Fair points all, just a different manner of doing business than I'm used to. This became my first Subscribed thread. :)

Thanks for the prompt reply.

Ghorrin

grarrrg
2013-12-09, 10:41 PM
Fair points all, just a different manner of doing business than I'm used to. This became my first Subscribed thread. :)

Subscribe?

Heck, this sucker's in my signature!

Novawurmson
2013-12-09, 11:32 PM
Subscribe?

Heck, this sucker's in my signature!

::blush:: You guys.

grarrrg
2013-12-09, 11:44 PM
::blush:: You guys.

There's a :smallredface: for that :smallwink:

Darkholme
2013-12-21, 08:20 PM
http://zenithgames.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html

Another comprehensive list. I imagine you guys have both got some the other doesn't.

The Random NPC
2013-12-21, 08:58 PM
There is a notable threads sticky on the main roleplaying section. Maybe we could ask for one here.

TomeWyrm
2014-09-21, 04:59 AM
Magic Item Crafter Guide (http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/41773/pathfinder-magic-item-crafter-build-guide)

As sub-optimal as it may seem (or be) to be a dedicated crafter, in spite of (or because of, depending on your point of view) the changes they made to magic item crafting in the transition to Pathfinder. I saw fit to play one because it's a useful role in our current campaign (I've found many MANY things to be annoyed at with some of the "common knowledge" about CharOp... but that's a rant that so totally does not belong here), I found this guide and I figured it might as well get put into the Guides compendium.

Cheers, and I hope someone else finds it useful! :biggrin:

Zubrowka74
2014-09-22, 12:04 PM
"Axe’s Guide to Finding Divinity" returns a 404.

"THE COMPLETE Professor Q's Guide to the Pathfinder Wizard" should point to the PFSRD lab page (http://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/extras/community-creations/professor-qs-lab) to avoid gettin' the Google Doc in suggestion mode, which makes it impossible to peruse.

JMPerkins
2014-09-25, 12:04 PM
I made a optimization guide to commoners available as a pay what you want title. http://www.rpgnow.com/product/137721?affiliate_id=34429&src=GIANTITP The advantage with optimizing commoners is, without class abilities of their own to muck around the advice/tactics is more or less completely class agnostic - the stuff you can do as a commoner, you can do as any character :smallbiggrin:

Also, if the concept of a commoner PC interests you, we're doing a Kickstarter right now to produce a full featured supplement about them. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jmperkins/the-adequate-commoner (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jmperkins/the-adequate-commoner)