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Kane0
2012-03-16, 10:29 PM
Now updated to actually be in alphabetical order, the CCCC is my attempt to organize base class fixes (and the occasional rework) into one thread. If you'd like your fix added to the list please let me know!

Edit: If you are providing links, please designate if your homebrew is a Fix or an Alternative. Thank you!



Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12600493) by NeoSeraphi
Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168774) by unosarta
Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245327) by GunbladeKnight
Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11070809&postcount=7) by Draz74
Barbarian Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227466) by Grod_The_Giant



Bard Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11905257) by unosarta
Bard Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215793) by RedWarlock
Bard Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16104076) by nonsi



The Priest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189564), alternative by unosarta
The Avatar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219109), alternative by jiriku: A cleric remix that gains phenomenal cosmic power only when acting in his deity's interests



Druid Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11868155#post11868155) by unosarta
Druid Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230514) by Grod_The_Giant



Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242689) by wayfare.
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14889842#post14889842) by Kane0
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276280) by Grod_The_Giant
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214120) by Twin Dragons
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140278) by Realms of Chaos
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209757) by NeoSeraphi
Fighter Fix and alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194834) by jiriku
The Shield Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192533), alternative by mhvaughan
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228850) by Deepbluediver
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153656) by Ernir
Fighter fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216996) by Kenneth
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178361) by Seerow
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130030) by Solaris
TheLegend (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242782), alternative by Grod_The_Giant
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241661) by Lemmy
The combatant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289004&postcount=1), Fighter/Melee alternative by toapat
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244599) by GunbladeKnight
The Warrior, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14982442) alternative by nonsi
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267315) by nonsi
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14740619) by Rogue Shadows
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11258161&postcount=26) by Draz74
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273600) by Piggy Knowles
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306924) by Wayfare
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282851) by ddude987



Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226857) by T.G. Oskar
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153528) by UserShadow7989
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2276450#post2276450) by Lord Iames Osari
The Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214285), alternative by Lix Lorn
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192781) by arguskos
The Youxia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226726), alternative by Troll Bräu
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216108) by Ziegander
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12438857#post12438857) by Derjuin
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122) by jiriku: a striker/skill monkey upgrade to the monk.
The Ascetic, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193791) Monk fix by Jarian
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238952) by Phosphate
Monk alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10693197&postcount=1) by Veklim
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11041902&postcount=2) by Draz74
Monk fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15297138&postcount=2) by IamL and Phelix-Mu (Part 1)
Monk fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15297151&postcount=3) by IamL and Phelix-Mu (Part 2)
Monk Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14444342) by Nonsi



Paladin Rework (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193554) by T.G. Oskar
The Sanctified Champion (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230622), alternative by Circle of Life
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12150015#post12150015) by Grod_The_Giant
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216153) by Kenneth
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230019) by Seerow
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130056) by Solaris
The Knight-Paladin, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187700) alternative by jiriku: a defender class to replace both knight and paladin
The Templar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289185&postcount=2), Paladin fix/alternative by toapat
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249858) by toapat
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288278) by ddude987



Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14192508#post14192508) by Grod_The_Giant
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236178) by Deepbluediver
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229701) by NeoSeraphi
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58263) by Person_Man
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165522) by T.G. Oskar
Beastmaster Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111823), alternative by Serenity
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358) by jiriku
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225664) by Yitzi
The Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229330), alternative by Circle of Life
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190045) by Jarian
The Swift Hunter, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358) replacement by jiriku: a striker/skill monkey class to replace both ranger and scout
Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799716&postcount=5) by PId6



Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234201) by Kane0
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214119) by Twin Dragons
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259254) by Grod_The_Giant
The Darkstalker, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12524294) alternate by NeoSeraphi
The Duelist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222961), alternate by NeoSeraphi
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234132) by Deepbluediver
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226398) by Yitzi
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219991) by Kenneth
Rogue Fix by Merk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15356866)
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304157) by Zelkon
Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276009) by Nonsi



Sorcerer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12250721) by NeoSeraphi
The Magician (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209772), alternative by jiriku: A practitioner of low magic, including sympathetic magic and the crafting of simple magic items.
Sorcerer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306794) by DeAnno
Sorcerer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12623413&postcount=1) by Grod_The_Giant



Planar Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10461008), alternative by unosarta
The Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239441), alternative by eftexar
The Ritualist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210595), alternative by jiriku: The traditional staff-wielding master of The Art, including circle rituals.
Wizard Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12623421&postcount=2) by Grod_The_Giant




Mike Mearl's official unnofficial Hexblade Fix (http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8545&start=0)
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15490190) by Kane0
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198555) by Ziegander
The Bez-Kismet (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153696), alternative by T.G. Oskar
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232603) by Sgt. Cookie
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218093) by Person_Man
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237827) by Grod_The_Giant
Hexblade fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151953&highlight=hexblade) by The Shadowmind
Hexblade fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151077&highlight=hexblade) by realbombchu
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204696&highlight=hexblade) by Vallum
The Hexblade Homebrew Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146389) by Mephibosheth
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275279) by Grod_The_Giant
Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166653) by Lord_Gareth
The Malefactor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202885), Hexblade alternative by Lord_Gareth



Ninja Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127673) by T.G. Oskar
Ninja Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213075) by Circle of Life
Ninja Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186505) by Person_Man



Samurai Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143018) by T.G. Oskar
Samurai Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79512) by MammonAzrael



The Daring Outlaw (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188150), alternative by jiriku: a striker/skill monkey class to replace both rogue and swashbuckler
The Scoundrel, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227772) alternative by Circle of Life
Swashbuckler Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799732&postcount=6) by PId6



Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226021) by MammonAzrael
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212830) by T.G. Oskar
The Ebon Initiate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163297), alternative by ErrantX
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236189) by Master Arminas
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142707) by mhvaughan
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14819064) by Barna10
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274643) by Kane0
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13806454) by Deviston
Warlock Fix (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BzXHGmKEUmKOCGNcoD9esJIxGUu-mum-18bFvxdCa_M/edit?pli=1) by alchemyprime
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14528524) by Nonsi



Warmage Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42440) by Realms of Chaos
Warmage Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131346) by T.G. Oskar
Warmage Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219088) by Grod_The_Giant
The Elementalist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208967), Alternative by NeoSeraphi
Batle Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219065), alternative by Kenneth



Link (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12938091&postcount=36)




None Yet



Cavalier Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201509) by NeoSeraphi



Dragon Shaman Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?281688) by Kane0
The Wyrmlord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224235), alternative by T.G. Oskar
The Dragonfury Disciple, (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15976126) DFA/Dragon Shaman alternative by nonsi
The Dragon Disciple (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15167076"), alternative by Grod_The_Giant
Dragon Shaman Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?324417-3-5e-Base-Class-Dragon-Shaman-2-0) by Dragodar



Dread Necromancer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282810) by Aldurin



Factotum Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212864) by Ernir



Healer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192141) by jiriku: an upgrade that turns the healer into a potent multi-functional support caster.
Healer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230066) by Derjuin



Marshal Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213891) by Derjuin
Marshal Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224745) by Kenneth
Marshal Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799700&postcount=2) by PId6



Truenamer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120488) by Kyeudo
There has to be more than that...


There is also large collections of fixes and other homebrew here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120075) and here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1172.0).

Is there a way of getting this stickied or put into an already stickied 'compendium' thread?

Siosilvar
2012-03-17, 11:26 AM
I haven't looked at all of these in-depth, but I have given them all a once-over and they look excellent on first glance. They all qualify as fixes unless otherwise marked, I think.

Monk
T.G. Oskar's Retooled Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226857)
UserShadow7989 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153528)
Lord Iames Osari (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2276450&postcount=33)
Lix's Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214285) alternative psionic-ish
Arguskos' Monk of the Unending Road (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192781) alternative, more focused on mobility
Troll Brau's Youxia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226726)
Ziegander (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216108)
Dejuin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12438857&postcount=1)

Warlock
MammonAzrael (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226021)
T.G.Oskar's Retooled Warlock (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212830)

Hexblade
Ziegander (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198555)
T.G. Oskar's Bez-Kismet (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153696)

Fighter
Ziegander's Action Hero (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11468240) variant focused on action economy
Grod the Giant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12460617&postcount=2)

Warmage
Realms of Chaos (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42440)
T.G. Oskar's Retooled Warmage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131346)

T.G. Oskar's other retools:
Retooled Healer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133118)
Retooled Marshal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186681)
Ninja (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127673)
Retooled Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165522)
Retooled Samurai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143018)

Kane0
2012-03-18, 01:02 AM
Thank you Siosilvar, I have added all those to the list.

I also added a few others i've found.

Circle of Life
2012-03-18, 01:18 AM
The Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193791) a Monk alternative by Jarian.

The Ninja (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213075), a Ninja Fix/Alternative (both, really), by yours truly.

The Scoundrel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227772), a combination Swashbuckler/Rogue fix.

MammonAzrael
2012-03-18, 01:30 AM
I created a ToB-based Samurai fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79512) a while back. I also have a Monk/Soul Knife hybrid fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199227).

Grod_The_Giant
2012-03-18, 10:14 AM
I've got a few more fixes to the categories on this list: a rogue (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12291628#post12291628) and a warmage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219088). Also, a ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234888) and paladin, the latter of which tends to crop up enough that it deserves its own section, probably. I know T. G. Oskar did a lot of work on the subject... (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193554)

Kane0
2012-03-18, 06:47 PM
Thanks guys, i've put them in.

Keep 'em comin'!

Ashtagon
2012-03-19, 02:48 AM
Somewhere there is a hexblade fix written by the original author. Link, anyone?

willpell
2012-03-19, 03:56 AM
I'm working (slowly) on a power-level fix for the Soulborn (and fluff "fixes" for all three classes in Magic of Incarnum, but that's more an issue specific to my campaign). Whether it will actually be finished is deeply in doubt, but I'll bookmark this thread just in case.

But who on earth thinks the Rogue needs to be fixed? Okay, I've heard that there's a class called Factotum which is pretty much strictly better as a skill specialist, but there's no guarantee your DM will allow any class from a sourcebook. Plus the last I checked Rogues are the ONLY class in the entire game allowed to disarm magic traps; that's more than reason enough for them to be a viable class no matter how weak everything else they do might be. And Sneak Attack isn't anything to sneeze at anyway. Rogue is in the core and not spectacularly weak, I'd think that's good enough that it doesn't need fixing.

Circle of Life
2012-03-19, 04:08 AM
But who on earth thinks the Rogue needs to be fixed?

Almost anyone who's played one.


Okay, I've heard that there's a class called Factotum which is pretty much strictly better as a skill specialist, but there's no guarantee your DM will allow any class from a sourcebook. Plus the last I checked Rogues are the ONLY class in the entire game allowed to disarm magic traps; that's more than reason enough for them to be a viable class no matter how weak everything else they do might be.

The Factotum is what the Rogue should be, full stop. It does a bit of everything fairly well, rather than failing at anything that isn't stabbing something in the back of the neck, unless they burn huge amounts of resources into making UMD amazing, in which case you're just a Wizard with a gambling problem and some pointy sticks.

The Rogue is not the only class allowed to to disarm magic traps, unless your game is Core only. There are some twenty other ways to get Trapfinding (spells, non-Core classes, ACFs for Core classes), and most of them treat it as one of the most minor abilities in the game. Rangers trade away Track for Trapfinding, for example.


And Sneak Attack isn't anything to sneeze at anyway. Rogue is in the core and not spectacularly weak, I'd think that's good enough that it doesn't need fixing.

And if you fight a construct, or an ooze, or an undead, or a plant, or anything with fortification? Virtually half of all printed monsters essentially say "nope" to Sneak Attack, which is a flawed concept from the ground up. A properly optimized Rogue can instagib anything it reliably land attacks on, so in turn every creature has the ability to become outright immune to Sneak Attack.

But you're right about one thing. The Rogue isn't spectacularly weak. With enough effort you can make a decent Rogue. But it's poorly designed, starting with its most basic abilities and going all the way to Rogue 20 being the worst class level in the entire game.

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Edit: Regarding the 'official' fix for Hexblades: Click. (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19547530/Contacting_Wizards_of_the_Coast_about_Hex_Blades?p ost_id=332210466#332210466)

Edit x2: The Sanctified Champion (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230622), which is either a Paladin alternative or a ground-up rework, depending on how you look at it.

Derjuin
2012-03-19, 04:36 AM
It's not exactly commonly corrected, but it's a class fix:

Marshal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213891) (from Miniatures Handbook), by me. It's a fix, I think, since I tried to keep the original flavor of "buffin' allies" with "tank" thrown in.

Sgt. Cookie
2012-03-19, 10:24 AM
I did a Hexblade fix too. Here it is. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232603)

Jodah
2012-03-19, 10:37 AM
This is an alternative factotum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212864) made by Ernir, which focuses on the sublime path rather than casting.

And are you including the wizard fixes that show up time and again that nerf the first tier?

Barbarian MD
2012-03-19, 10:46 AM
Warlock Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142707) by mhvaughan

Also, [SUPR] Monk Fix (https://docs.google.com/View?docid=0AYdLcxsM7Nx0ZGc2NzhibjNfMjc4ZGMzYzlqZ2 0&authkey=CLGemYEO) by the Penny Dreadful team.

And [SUPR] Barbarian Fix (https://docs.google.com/View?docid=0AYdLcxsM7Nx0ZGc2NzhibjNfNzFkNjl3ajMzYg ) by the Penny Dreadful team.

Shield Fighter Alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192533) by mhvaughan

NeoSeraphi
2012-03-19, 11:00 AM
But who on earth thinks the Rogue needs to be fixed?

*hand up* Me. Right here. Hi.

Rogue needs to be fixed because it is generally only usable (and the fluff supports this) as a two-weapon fighter or an archer, which are both incredibly useless fighting styles unless you invest a heavy amount of feats into them (for TWF you need Weapon Finesse, Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, and Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, and for archery you need Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Manyshot, Greater Manyshot, and possibly Improved Precise Shot). The rogue does not have a single bonus feat before 10th level to mitigate this, and even then, if you take a bonus feat you lose a chance to become more "rogue-ish".

The rogue also has a shocking 26 skills as class skills, but only 8+Int skill points per level. The rogue has no class feature benefits from a high Intelligence score, so putting Int in only to benefit from skill points is a waste of a score (especially considering there really aren't that many rogue skills that are Int-based to begin with).

The rogue has the lowest hit points of any martial character in the game. If the rogue is in melee so that it can flank so that it can get off its "amazing" Sneak Attack, it gets knocked out by one or two hits from a CR appropriate monster, since the number of attacks they get per round, as well as their Strength score, scale pretty damn quadrilaterally.

The rogue also has the worst saving throws in the game, and falls prey to poison, stunning, illusions, enchantments, forced transformations, petrification, and death. All the time. Especially since Wisdom is the only score other than Strength that a rogue can safely dump.

Not only does the rogue have terrible hit points and terrible saving throws, it also has a terrible defense. No medium or heavy armor, no shields. No defensive class features other than defensive roll. The rogue is good at one thing in combat, and that's dying. Sure, you can use wands to improve your chances, if you have the money and the access, but neither of those is a guarantee like class features are.


Ahem. To get back on topic:
Rogue Alternative (Stealth) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12524294)
Rogue Alternative (Mundane) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222961)
Barbarian fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12600493)
Sorcerer fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12250721)
Cavalier Alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201509)
Ranger fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229701)
Warmage Alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208967)
Mindbender Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220124)
Deepstone Sentinel Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227996)
Blackguard fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229627)
Bear Warrior Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12479722)

Deepbluediver
2012-03-19, 12:05 PM
This is a good idea; I'm assuming we are allowed to link our own fixes?

This is my Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228850) - with plenty of feats and other a few other goodies. (no more dead levels!)

This is my Rogue Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234132) - which borrows from the best parts of the ninja and swashbuckler.

This is my Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236178) - which combines the ranger and scout.

My monk fix, regretably, needs more work, but the link is still in my extended sig if anyone wants to browse it for inspiration.


Edit: How do we request that something get's stickied? What are the rules for that kind of stuff?
Edit2: Sorry, whats the exact difference between a fix and an alternative?

Yitzi
2012-03-19, 03:05 PM
My link is in my signature, but just to break it up into individual (well mostly, as there's quite a bit of cross-interaction) fixes:
- Wizard offense (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211136), defense (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211826), utility (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212607), miscellaneous (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214785),
-sorcerer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216120),
-monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208452),
-cleric (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222271),
-druid (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223031),
-barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223642),
-fighter and paladin part 1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224850),
-paladin part 2 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225244),
-ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225664),
-rogue (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226398)

Glimbur
2012-03-19, 04:45 PM
There are a couple of fixes for Soulborn floating around. I have written one (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127348), PersonMan has one also (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119121), and I suspect you could find more with some googling.

The Underlord
2012-03-19, 05:10 PM
Here's my Soulmind (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224733), a soulborn+soulknife combined mix. Note, I'm planning on doing a major re-haul sometime in the future.

Coidzor
2012-03-19, 05:33 PM
Several Ranger fixes.

The Swift Hunter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358) - Jiriku's scout-ranger mashup

Sublime Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174397) by Warclam

Ranger Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229701)by Neoseraphi

Ranger Rebuilt (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234888) - Grod the Giant.

Ranger Scout (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58263)- another ranger-scout mashup, this by by Person_Man (Person Man?)

Ranger and Ranged Combat fixes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236178) - Deepbluediver

The Retooled Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165522): because rangin' isn't just shootin' and dual-wieldin' - T.G. Oskar's retool of the ranger class.

Sublime Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156145) - another scout/ranger combination this time ToB emphatically. By Frog Dragon

Sublime Way Variant Ranger (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19519074) - One of the oldest if not the oldest. By RadicalTaoist(I believe anyway).

Beastmaster (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111823) - Psionic Fix by Serenity

ToB Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80470) by MammonAzrael

Fax Celestis' Tome of Battle Core Class Update. (http://wiki.faxcelestis.net/index.php?title=Tome_of_Battle_Core_Class_Update) Ranger, Paladin, Monk, Rogue, Bard, Barbarian, Fighter. Not much, but somewhat quick.

TheOOB - several Sublime Variants, also quick and dirty. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48267)

unosarta
2012-03-19, 05:57 PM
I redid some (most) of the base classes.

Barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168774): A Barbarian re-tool, involves a rage pool filled upon taking damage.

Planar Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10461008): A Wizard re-tool, only gets 7th level spells, has spell list and flavor based on aligned plane.

Priest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189564): A Cleric re-tool, only gets 7th level spells, spell list entirely based on domains.

Psionicist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211806): A Psion re-tool, only gets 7th level powers, class features based on discipline chosen.

Druid (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11868155#post11868155): A Druid re-tool, based on aforementioned Priest class. Is very similar to regular Druid, only Wildshaping is slightly changed to be more like a very supernatural Shapeshifting (ACF from PHBII) class feature.

Bard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11905257): A Bard re-tool, gaining martial maneuvers instead of magic, and bardic music that isn't just a better version of Inspire Courage over and over and over again. Gains Rogue-like special abilities at higher levels.

Psychic Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11940431): A Psychic Warrior retool. Gains only 5th level powers, and has specific class features based on a path that is chosen.

NeoSeraphi
2012-03-19, 05:59 PM
Ah, right. Here's my spell-less bard alternative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201346).

Circle of Life
2012-03-19, 06:01 PM
I'm apparently terrible at remembering things I've fixed.

The Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229330) - a ground-up rework of the Ranger to focus on archery. Doesn't resemble the Core Ranger much anymore.

And the inspiration for the above class, Jarian's Guild Wars Ranger. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190045)

unosarta
2012-03-19, 07:20 PM
Also, I forgot one class.

Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217634): A ToB Ranger re-tool that include different combat styles that encompass Rogue, Barbarian, Shifter, Bounty Hunter, and the traditional Ranger combat styles.

Grod_The_Giant
2012-03-19, 09:39 PM
Whoops. I forgot to link my paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12150015#post12150015). Also, since my last post and because there's an s-block but no content, my Tome of Battle Swashbuckler (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230093).

And if we're counting caster nerfs... druid (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230514), cleric alternatives (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12336470), sorcerer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230721), and wizard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12623421&postcount=2) (which contain ACFs to replace the Favored Soul and Archivist).

ngilop
2012-03-19, 10:35 PM
Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216996) Fighter fix//Fighter/Barbarian/Warblade replacement-Kenneth

Marshal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224745) Marshal fix-Kenneth

Sorcerer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223317) Sorcerer fix -neoseraphi

Rogue (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219991) Rogue fix-Kenneth

Battle Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219065) Warmage fix -Kenneth

Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216153) Paladin fix-Kenneth

Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122) Monk fix-Jiriku

Mage Knight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229926) Hexblade/Duskknight replacement(?)-Kenneth

Disciple (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230066) Healer fix-Derjuin

Seerow
2012-03-19, 10:59 PM
Soulknife Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194730) - Soulknife redone with more psionic potential
Swashbuckler Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196574) - 20 levels of swashbuckler condensed into a 5 level class
Fighter Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178361) - Fighter with an emphasis on combat styles and stances
Paladin Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230019) - A Minimalist Paladin fix

Kane0
2012-03-20, 01:35 AM
Woah, thanks for the input guys!

Ill get to putting em in ASAP.

Probably fix up the categories too, see if i can make them a little easier to navigate.

Ernir
2012-03-20, 11:25 AM
Person_Man's Hexblade Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218093)
The Fighter Incarnate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153656), my own Fighter fix.

Barbarian MD
2012-03-20, 12:17 PM
You might want to comb through the old Compendium (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120075) for the sake of completeness.

Benly
2012-03-20, 05:58 PM
I did a light fix for the PF monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222150), although it's Pathfinder-specific and only adds a couple of abilities. I don't know if it qualifies for the project you're doing here or not, since it relies on modifying on the PF monk's ki pool ability.

Jodah
2012-03-20, 09:29 PM
Soulknife Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194730) - Soulknife redone with more psionic potential

I just used the PF soulknife as my fix for a recent campaign, seemed to work decently.

Garryl
2012-03-20, 09:51 PM
There are TONS of rewrites and fixes collected here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1172.0).

From my things:
Medic (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1061): Healer replacement.
Divine Mind (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1013): Divine Mind fix and partial Marshal replacement.
Soulknife (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1128): An invocation-using replacement for the Soulknife.

Not base classes, but I also have replacement for the Arcane Archer (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1716) and Reaping Mauler (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11036) PrCs.

Seerow
2012-03-20, 10:19 PM
I just used the PF soulknife as my fix for a recent campaign, seemed to work decently.

And the PF soulknife is just as crappy and halfassed as the rest of pathfinder. Its Psychic strike is still unusable, the class is still psionic in name only, and the one big change, the blade skills, are mostly comprised of things the soulknife already got before (bad), and things that are worth less than a feat. There are a couple of exceptions (like Fluid Form), but the PF Soulknife is firmly a tier 5 class in need of fixing.

Person_Man
2012-03-21, 03:01 PM
Well, since you're inviting additions, I don't feel guilty about pimping mine:

Ninja (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186505) by Person_Man
War Soul (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156441) (Soulborn + Soulknife) by Person_Man

Ernir was also kind enough to link to my Hexblade (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218093).

Kane0
2012-03-22, 12:49 AM
None Yet



None Yet



None Yet



Sublime Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174397) by Warclam
Sublime Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156145) by Frog Dragon
ToB Samurai (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79512) by MammonAzrael
ToB Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80470) by MammonAzrael
Sublime Variant Ranger (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19519074) by RadicalTaoist
ToB Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217634) by unosarta
Various ToB fixes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273404) by Grod_The_Giant




Psion Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211806) by unosarta



Psychic Warrior Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11940431) by unosarta



War Soul (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156441), alternative by Person_Man
The Soulmind (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224733), Alternative by The Underlord
The Ascetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199227), Monk/Soulknife alternative by MammonAzrael
Soulknife Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194730) by Seerow
Invocation Soulknife (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1128), alternate by Garryl
The Soulcrafter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215075), alternative by jiriku: a front-line warrior who uses augments to power up his soulcraft items.



Psionic Monk (http://alt.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270919) by Ernir
Psionic Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60060) by Draz74




None Yet



Soulborn Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119121) by Person_Man
Soulborn fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297825) by Kane0
War Soul (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156441), alternative by Person_Man
The Soulmind (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224733), Alternative by The Underlord
The Zealot (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245559), alternative by T.G. Oskar



None Yet

Barbarian MD
2012-03-22, 10:29 AM
You missed the Penny Dreadful team's Monk and Barbarian fixes in my earlier post. Unless that was a conscious decision on your part because they were external links? They were homegrown and posted to google docs for the sake of formatting, if that's your concern.

Kane0
2012-03-23, 09:30 PM
Sorry if I missed any, Ill take another look to see how many I skipped by accident :smalleek:

Also I'm now doing ToB, Incarnum, Psionics and Binders in a separate post, seen above. If you'd like yours included please let me know.

ngilop
2012-04-10, 05:27 PM
Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238952) Monk fix -Phosphate

Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238905) Paladin fix -toapat

Bovine Colonel
2012-04-10, 05:49 PM
Ziegander has a massive pile of core fixes here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11599640&postcount=122).

Jodah
2012-04-11, 10:52 AM
And the PF soulknife is just as crappy and halfassed as the rest of pathfinder. Its Psychic strike is still unusable, the class is still psionic in name only, and the one big change, the blade skills, are mostly comprised of things the soulknife already got before (bad), and things that are worth less than a feat. There are a couple of exceptions (like Fluid Form), but the PF Soulknife is firmly a tier 5 class in need of fixing.

Never saw this response: Main thing that PF fixes in the case of the soulknife - full BAB, more fluid mind blade, and the customizability. The class is now okay. If it is still tier 5, it is the upper realms (it is better than the archtype - fighter), I would put it in tier 4: Capable of doing one thing quite well, but often useless when encounters require other areas of expertise, or capable of doing many things to a reasonable degree of competance without truly shining.

Solaris
2012-04-11, 05:02 PM
Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130030) - Fix.

Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130056) - Fix.
- I threw in the casting on another version of it. It's just normal Paladin spell-casting.

dspeyer
2012-04-11, 11:04 PM
Arcane Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222565)
Order of the Bow Initiate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232559)

These don't seem to be common choices for fixes, even though most people would agree they're broken.

eftexar
2012-04-12, 01:10 AM
This is supposed to be a fix (or I should say complete replacement) of both the sorcerer and wizard. Here is my Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239441) class.

The Tygre
2012-04-12, 09:41 AM
Glad to see we're finally getting around to one of these revised-class-indexes. We're in desperate need of one. If I might be so bold as to offer a suggestion? Not something mandatory, but maybe as a sort of courtesy, submissions could mention what makes their redesign unique in like, a sentence or a couple of words? Just something to get index-users on the right track.

toapat
2012-04-12, 09:52 AM
Glad to see we're finally getting around to one of these revised-class-indexes. We're in desperate need of one. If I might be so bold as to offer a suggestion? Not something mandatory, but maybe as a sort of courtesy, submissions could mention what makes their redesign unique in like, a sentence or a couple of words? Just something to get index-users on the right track.

i think the problem here is that classes like paladin, end up having 10-20 re-writes with similar abilities

Deepbluediver
2012-04-12, 02:04 PM
i think the problem here is that classes like paladin, end up having 10-20 re-writes with similar abilities

Maybe just let people submit a few key notes that describe how their class is different or what's important about it. We don't want to put all the burden on the OP to figure out how to describe everyone else's class. Maybe even send it via PM so we don't clog up the thread.

Or we could try rating the fixes on various characteristics such as originality, simplicity, overall effectiveness, etc...I mean if you don't think there's enough contraversy already. :smallbiggrin:

Kane0
2012-04-12, 06:13 PM
Come to think of it this thread has already gone beyond the original scope i intended. I'm not really keen on doing the same thing for prestige classes due to the sheer numbers there are, but im happy to add a line or two description for those that want their fixes to have such. PMs would be fine.

If there is anything I dont have up that youd like to have posted please have a look at the compendium threads and see if you can add them there, seeing as those threads seem to be a better option for everybody. This thread has been listed on the table of contents of that thread though, so you may or may not want to double what is posted here already.

ngilop
2012-04-12, 07:58 PM
you class compendium came first why would I want to support what i feel was a jerk face move ripoff?

though I can say that i have no idea why a certian poster felt the need to post PrC in a base class thread. compltely odd in my reasoning.

not only that but your is much better than the other one much more simplistic and easy to use. maybe im wrong but I thik simple and easier to use is much better.

jiriku
2012-04-13, 08:42 PM
Excerpted from my sig. Many of these classes replace multiple martial classes at once.


Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150122): a striker/skill monkey upgrade to the monk.
Daring Outlaw (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188150): a striker/skill monkey class to replace both rogue and swashbuckler.
Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194834): a well-rounded, flexible martial class to replace the barbarian, fighter, marshal, and samurai all at once.
Healer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192141): an upgrade that turns the healer into a potent multi-functional support caster.
Knight-Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187700): a defender class to replace both knight and paladin.
Soulcrafter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215075): a front-line warrior who uses augments to power up his soulcraft items. Replaces soulknife.
Swift Hunter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170358): a striker/skill monkey class to replace both ranger and scout.
Avatar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219109): A cleric remix that gains phenomenal cosmic power only when acting in his deity's interests.
Magician (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209772): A practitioner of low magic, including sympathetic magic and the crafting of simple magic items. Sorcerer replacement.
Ritualist: (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210595) The traditional staff-wielding master of The Art, including circle rituals. Wizard replacement.

toapat
2012-04-28, 10:34 PM
Bump, we need this stickied

Ashtagon
2012-04-29, 04:13 AM
http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8545&start=0

Official unofficial hexblade fix.

Deepbluediver
2012-05-01, 08:59 AM
Come to think of it this thread has already gone beyond the original scope i intended. I'm not really keen on doing the same thing for prestige classes due to the sheer numbers there are, but im happy to add a line or two description for those that want their fixes to have such. PMs would be fine.

You don't NEED to add every single link people provide; if this is intended to just be fixes for the base classes, then just put those at the start and encourage other posters to stay on topic.

At this point there's so much homebrew floating around, I have no doubt you could easily find a dozen fixes for ANY class with a little effort.

ngilop
2012-06-03, 09:11 PM
ngilop's WItch Doctor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244811)

An inbetween divine caster in terms of power of the cleric and adept, with a curse focus power set.

GunbladeKnight
2012-06-03, 09:48 PM
I'll post mine as well as I work on them:

Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244599) - Warrior that is a master of weapons and armor.
Barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245327) - Animalistic Warrior that uses inner rage as a formidable weapon.

toapat
2012-06-03, 10:28 PM
The Combatant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289004&postcount=1): Fighter, Rogue, Barbarian, Knight replacement


The Templar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13289185&postcount=2): Paladin, blackguard rewrite

Tanuki Tales
2012-06-15, 10:04 PM
It always makes me smile a little bit when I see my brew being mentioned. :smallsmile:

Though I feel a bit ashamed that my Youxia was the one mentioned, since it's not even playable right now. I mean, yeah, I got a few styles made, but they're not polished enough and not enough of them exist in the first place to really let the class be played.

I'd like to clarify though that it's not a Monk fix per se. I made it as an alternative to the Monk and my Prize Fighter when you want to play an Unarmed Fighter who doesn't rely on Tome of Battle to be relevant in the party.

But that's just another thing I'll need to get back on when I'm done with Ouroboros and when the PGBC doesn't need my attention. That's my flaw though, I put down these great ideas that some folks like as well but they never see total completion most of the time. :smallsigh:

[/rant]

This thread is a wonderful idea and I give it a supportive bump!

toapat
2012-07-17, 11:27 PM
Yesterday i brewed this Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249858) rebuild, that used minimal homebrew, to the point im not sure it actually is homebrew, but is instead what you get when a DM is extremely generous with you.

Veklim
2012-07-18, 06:07 AM
Dunno if it's worth much, but I made a Monk alternative/fix (depending on setting I guess...) here: The Open Palm (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10693197&postcount=1)

nonsi
2012-07-18, 07:22 AM
Here's my Fighter fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242257).

IamL
2013-10-02, 08:30 AM
Here's (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15297138&postcount=2) the first part of my monk fix;
Here's (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15297151&postcount=3) the second part.
Thanks to Xaotiq1, from which we lifted rather substantially.

Kane0
2013-10-03, 07:49 AM
Added :smallsmile:

Ashtagon
2013-10-03, 07:55 AM
I have been incorrectly credited with Mike Mearl's fix for the hexblade class. I merely flagged it for attention. Both the original class and the unofficial fix are the work of Mike Mearls.

(I call it unofficial only because it wasn't written as official errata, but in a forum post. but since he is the original author, that fix bears more weight than most).

Jormengand
2013-10-03, 08:10 AM
The Way Words Work (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90961) (Kellus),The Worldspeaker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305453) (Jormengand) and Truenamer Fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120488) (Kyeudo) are all fixes for the same class. Common enough?

Zelkon
2013-10-03, 11:42 AM
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304157

The link for my supernatural rogue fix/retool.

Draz74
2013-10-03, 01:15 PM
Old classics by PId6:

Marshal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799700&postcount=2)
Dragon Shaman (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799702&postcount=3)
Arcane Archer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799707&postcount=4)
Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799716&postcount=5) (definitely a "common" class to fix)
Swashbuckler (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6799732&postcount=6) (my favorite of these)
Assassin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6885801&postcount=23)

DeAnno
2013-10-07, 11:15 PM
Sorcerer Revision (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306794) (Schools of magic: features and feats)

Aldreck
2013-10-08, 10:10 PM
Lord Gareth's Revised Hexblade (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166653)

Also, if it belongs here, The Malefactor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202885) (A re-imagining of the hexblade as a rogue-like class, also by Lord Gareth)

T.G. Oskar
2013-10-09, 12:48 AM
Alright, so normally I don't do self-promotion, unless it's some sort of a joke or as a way to provide ideas for aspiring 'brewers. This is a third, rare example: clarification.

For starters, I know someone else posted the Healer and the Marshal, but they're missing from the main write-up.

Second: it seems to be less known than the rest, but I also worked on a retooling for the Soulborn, which would be the Zealot (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245559). Not sure if it'd be a fix or an alternative, but I always consider it's to the Soulborn what the Paladin retooling from Project Heretica is to the Core Paladin. That reminds me: I prefer distinguishing my retool to the Paladin by always indicating it's part of a larger project (Project Heretica). Also: the Wyrmlord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224235) is an extensive retool to the Dragon Shaman, which is well-known by most people who follow me but isn't as popular as the magic-based retools or the Core-based ones.

Third: not sure if this would be a fix or an alternative, though I believe it's mostly an alternative. I did some work for the Swashbuckler as an Archetype (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12554733&postcount=1) (much like the alternative classes from PF), which works as a fix for the Swashbuckler but as an alternative version of the Rogue. Judge of it as you will.

Aldurin
2013-10-09, 03:41 AM
I'll throw on Dread Necromancer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282810) for the list, so that we get something started. I'll be sure to be aware of this thread so that my in-progress fixes get on here.

stack
2013-10-09, 12:28 PM
Aren't there a hundred truenamer fixes out there? Not sure which are best regarded.

Jormengand
2013-10-09, 12:46 PM
Aren't there a hundred truenamer fixes out there? Not sure which are best regarded.

Eh, those were the ones that came up from a Google custom search (along with the one I made, because shameless self advertising is win.)

stack
2013-10-09, 03:18 PM
I missed how many pages there where and didn't see that some where already posted but not in the OP. Oops.

Grod_The_Giant
2013-10-09, 04:08 PM
Took a gander at this list when it popped up again, and I've got more recent (and generally superior) versions of my fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276280), rogue (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259254), ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14192508#post14192508), and hexblade (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275279).

Also, I have barbarian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227466), sorcerer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12623413&postcount=1), wizard (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12623421&postcount=2), cleric (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12623421&postcount=2), and druid (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230514)fixes now. (Or possibly they existed before but never made it onto this thread)

ddude987
2013-10-09, 04:33 PM
Fighter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282851) - complete remake
Paladin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288278) - remade, still sort of wip

RedWarlock
2013-10-09, 10:15 PM
Here's an alternate Bard I made that uses invocations and auras. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215793)

(it's been a couple years, but I'm still pretty proud of it.)

Kane0
2013-10-09, 10:47 PM
Alrighty, i've done some updating and adding. Should be in alphabetical order now, which was long overdue. Thanks for the additions guys!

nonsi
2013-10-26, 04:42 PM
Please update my Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14982442) to the latest version.

And if it's not too much to ask, I have some other hombrew classes scattered around the forum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14537687&postcount=200).

Thanks.