Avatar Korra vs. Bayonetta

[Leliel]

So, for reasons unknown to me, the prodigal Umbra Witch and the prodigy Avatar have gotten into a fight that, while not to death, certainly to unconsciousness on the other side. Who knows, maybe the Sexiest Woman in Fiction contest came to a draw, so the judges have decided to test their chops in the "Lady of the Amazons" category.

So, Korra vs. Bayonetta, all tactics are permitted, except Bayonetta summoning demons for finishing moves. Again, to knock out, not death, and besides, she can't actually summon her infernal patrons in her game until she's pretty much already won.

Let's get ready to catfight! ...Who wins?

[Brother Oni]

Doesn't Bayonetta have two pairs of fully automatic pistols that never have to reload, plus she regards the laws of physics as more guidelines than absolutes?

My money's on the magic gun-fu chick over the magic kung-fu girl, even if Korra has access to the Avatar state. Fully automatic firearms tend to even the odds in any circumstances.

[Rake21]

Doesn't Bayonetta have two pairs of fully automatic pistols that never have to reload, plus she regards the laws of physics as more guidelines than absolutes?

My money's on the magic gun-fu chick over the magic kung-fu girl, even if Korra has access to the Avatar state. Fully automatic firearms tend to even the odds in any circumstances.

Also, she can SUMMON THE DEVIL WITH HER HAIR AND USE IT TO PUNCH GOD INTO THE SUN.

I'm gonna have to agree. "You don't **** with the witch."

[Flickerdart]

It's not even a contest. Korra's go-to problem-solving solution is "kill it with fire", and Bayonetta has much better firepower.

[Hiro Protagonest]

In theory, Korra should win. She's great at both firebending and earthbending. In practice, not so much. She pretty much only uses fire unless she has time to think, and fire can't stop bullets.

[John Cribati]

fire can't stop bullets.

Firebenders can use fire to propel themselves. This wouldn't work if the fire wasn't imparting some sort of force. So if not outright stop, fire should be able to at least knock it off course.

[Flickerdart]

Firebenders can use fire to propel themselves. This wouldn't work if the fire wasn't imparting some sort of force. So if not outright stop, fire should be able to at least knock it off course.
Considering that the fire would be applying its force from Korra right into the path of the bullet, it wouldn't knock anything off course. At best, it would slow the bullet down a little bit before it hits Korra anyway, since even subsonic bullets are moving fast enough to kill, as 1900s Austrian assassins could tell you.

[Hopeless]

Also, she can SUMMON THE DEVIL WITH HER HAIR AND USE IT TO PUNCH GOD INTO THE SUN.
I'm gonna have to agree. "You don't **** with the witch."

Unless she wants you to!

[Brother Oni]

Firebenders can use fire to propel themselves. This wouldn't work if the fire wasn't imparting some sort of force. So if not outright stop, fire should be able to at least knock it off course.

If Bayonetta was using a bolt action rifle or a similarly principled firearm that relied on accuracy, I'd agree.
Fully automatic weaponry that relies on saturation fire, not so much and I suspect you're overestimating the deflection you can put on a round travelling at >300m/s at the ranges Korra will fight at.

[Geddoe]

In theory, Korra should win. She's great at both firebending and earthbending. In practice, not so much. She pretty much only uses fire unless she has time to think, and fire can't stop bullets.

I disagree. In theory if they fight 100 times, Bayonetta should win 100 times even if Korra had full avatar state access. The settings just have too large a difference in power level, mostly because Avatar is aimed at children and young teens, and that restricts what people can do with the elements.

I mean, the primary enemy of the first series is fire benders, and the only people we see with burns are Ang, Zuko and Katara. And fire from bending is apparently safe enough that you can throw it at people with impunity in Pro-bending. Even if we just dismiss that as necessary for NICK, it is really damning in a versus topic against somebody like Bayonetta who destroys the stones/pavement under her feet from the power of jumping in cutscenes within her game.

[ChaosLord29]

If Bayonetta was using a bolt action rifle or a similarly principled firearm that relied on accuracy, I'd agree.
Fully automatic weaponry that relies on saturation fire, not so much and I suspect you're overestimating the deflection you can put on a round travelling at >300m/s at the ranges Korra will fight at.

Assuming Bayonetta is using her standard pistols, they're not fully automatic.

If we're talking about Scarborough Fair (Her standard pistols) they're basically a pair of bulked up derringer hand canons, and are semi-automatic with a single bullet in the chamber and no clip (albeit with two barrels). The explanation for how Bayonetta can rapid fire them without ever having to reload? Her hands (and feet) move faster than the eye can see. It's the same explanation offered for Dante, that Bayonetta, through minute application of Witch Time or simple superhuman dexterity can reload her weapons so fast she might as well not have to.

And speaking of Witch Time, I'm just going to have to give it to the character who doesn't just have guns, but can stop mother-fracking time! I mean seriously, even if Korra could dodge or block bullets with water or stone, Bayonetta just has to dodge one of Korra's attacks to activate Witch Time and BAM! Korra's full of holes.

[Flickerdart]

Do you figure Bayonetta will be sufficiently placated by Korra's persistence and can-do attitude that she spares her, thereby technically making it a:smalltongue: tie?

[Geddoe]

Topic creator already said it doesn't need to be to the death. So Korra is screwed no matter how much moxy she displays. I'm not sure Bayonetta even needs her guns, she could probably just get by on punches, kicks or slaps.

[Flickerdart]

Aren't her kicks also guns?

[Dumbledore lives]

Yeah, if Bayonetta is the same as in the cutscenes she has won this. Even if Korra manages to toss some fire against her she can just become bats to avoid it, thus slow down time and unleash a storm of bullets, or rockets, or just skate right up to her and stab her with a Katana. Or punch her in the face with her hair. Interesting note, with the final QTE of the game Bayonetta's force is measured in Infinitons, previously it was megatons or gigatons.

[Flickerdart]

That doesn't really make sense, since force is measured in Newtons.

[Worira]

First, using ton-force as measurement of force is just as valid as, say, kilogram-force, other than it not being an established term. Second, what's actually being referred to is the energy created by an equivalent weight of TNT. A megaton kick is a kick releasing a trillion kcals on contact.

[Flickerdart]

In which case the entire map this kick is taking place on would instantly be obliterated for miles.

Plus, the correct rebuttal was that Newtons are obviously a kind of ton. :smallamused:

[Psyren]

Also, she can SUMMON THE DEVIL WITH HER HAIR AND USE IT TO PUNCH GOD INTO THE SUN.

This bears repeating.

Avatars are great and all, but come on. (And let's not get into her time-screw powers, self-healing etc.)

[Worira]

In which case the entire map this kick is taking place on would instantly be obliterated for miles.

Plus, the correct rebuttal was that Newtons are obviously a kind of ton. :smallamused:

Presumably, with it being a kick, the energy is more directed into whatever's being kicked than the surroundings.

And they may be a type of ton, but I don't hold with them. They're too newfangled for my tastes.

[Dumbledore lives]

Presumably, with it being a kick, the energy is more directed into whatever's being kicked than the surroundings.

And they may be a type of ton, but I don't hold with them. They're too newfangled for my tastes.

I think the main point that is being missed is that it is infinitons. I believe it was over 1000 infinitons, over a thousand infinities. The actual designation doesn't really matter when it's that ridiculous. So yeah one's on a cosmic scale, and one is not.

[Misery Esquire]

I think the main point that is being missed is that it is infinitons. I believe it was over 1000 infinitons, over a thousand infinities. The actual designation doesn't really matter when it's that ridiculous. So yeah one's on a cosmic scale, and one is not.

I think another point would be in order to exert that much force, the kick would have to either have an astronomical weight behind it, or ridiculous amounts of velocity. And Bayonetta doesn't look like she's made of neutronium. The movement of her foot/leg therefore has to be somewhere in the area of C, and the air around it would (if following along logically) have to react to the amount of friction in that motion. Not only does this mean it could kick the top off a mountain below sea level, it would also likely ignite a fireball, and start some sort of freak wind storm.

...Pokemon go! Use Flamewave?

[GloatingSwine]

That doesn't really make sense, since force is measured in Newtons.

Bayonetta is involved, if you're looking for sense he's curled up in the shower crying.

[Mordokai]

Bayonetta has punched what is basically a Judeo-Christian God into sun, across the universe.

Korra has yet to stand up to single human and not quiver with fear. While I have no doubt she'll make it somewhere in the future, the power discrepancy is just too much.

Bayonetta wins this, no problem. And that's before the guns, the witch time and every other weapon she has at her disposal.

[John Cribati]

Considering that the fire would be applying its force from Korra right into the path of the bullet, it wouldn't knock anything off course. At best, it would slow the bullet down a little bit before it hits Korra anyway, since even subsonic bullets are moving fast enough to kill, as 1900s Austrian assassins could tell you.

Azula was falling off of a cliff. For roughly 10 seconds. Assuming an earth-like gravity, she was barreling downward at ~1000 meters/second (- wind resistance). A single blast of fire was enough to send her flying perfectly horizontally (IE halting her downward momentum for several seconds).

Given the law of inertia, I'm pretty sure that a (maximum; I don't know guns) 1/2 pound slug of metal moving at 1500m/s (-wind resistance, - gravity) would be way, way easier to stop than Azula at that point.

[Fan]

I love Korra, I really do, and I REALLY dislike Bayonetta due to it being glorified porn with a story (come on now, the girl gets NAKED every time she summons something with her hair only barely in the way, this is in no way being disingenuous to the game or rude to it's fans.), but I gotta give it to the being who deals on a cosmic scale.

I give it to Bayonetta in a babyshaking rapestomp every time.

A better opponent would be Asura from Asura's Wrath. They both operate on a similar scale.

[Hiro Protagonest]

A better opponent would be Asura from Asura's Wrath. They both operate on a similar scale.

If Asura has the Mantra Reactor, he wins. Chakravartin is probably on the level of a fully powered Jubileus. Bayonetta faced a weaker version, AND required help (although admittedly, she used her own power to bring the help).

Of course, I did gather my info from a quick skim on the wiki. But Chakravartin was capable of conjuring up a fortress with a weapon powerful enough to destroy the universe. Asura blocked the full-powered blast while in a form larger than the planet.

[Fan]

Without Mantra reactor though their feats are similar at the higher ends, if we disregard obviously incorrect numbers (Infinitons would've had enough force on impact to start well over infinite big bangs. Hence 1000 infinitons.), and go by comparative pre end game feats it's not so different.

Though, Bayonetta will for sure need her summons to keep up, and The Witch Time is the only thing that will allow her not to get pasted by Asura's mountain buster / Planet Busting strikes.

It's classic Speed V.S. Power.

[Brother Oni]

And even Bayonetta manages to paste him, Asura will be back once he climbs out of Naraka, an act taking anywhere from 500 to 12,000 years.

Bayonetta is likely to be dead by the time round 2 comes up, so Asura might lose the battle but will definitely win the war.

[Flickerdart]

Azula was falling off of a cliff. For roughly 10 seconds. Assuming an earth-like gravity, she was barreling downward at ~1000 meters/second (- wind resistance). A single blast of fire was enough to send her flying perfectly horizontally (IE halting her downward momentum for several seconds).

Given the law of inertia, I'm pretty sure that a (maximum; I don't know guns) 1/2 pound slug of metal moving at 1500m/s (-wind resistance, - gravity) would be way, way easier to stop than Azula at that point.
The maximum speed of a skydiver is 200 kph. The muzzle velocity of a bullet from a modern firearm is 432 kph. Even with all the gravity acceleration in the world, Azula wouldn't be going half as fast as a bullet.

[Mordokai]

I love Korra, I really do, and I REALLY dislike Bayonetta due to it being glorified porn with a story (come on now, the girl gets NAKED every time she summons something with her hair only barely in the way, this is in no way being disingenuous to the game or rude to it's fans.), but I gotta give it to the being who deals on a cosmic scale.

The authors themselves admitted sex appeal was a big part of this game and they developed the game with that in mind. In other words, everything you see, from exaggerated sexy walk, hips swaying, ass shots, Bayonetta getting naked during her fights, double entrendes... it's there because somebody wanted it to be there.

Now, if that was the only selling point of the game, yes, that would be bad. But the game also has good story, a lot of humor, good characters and above all, a great battle system that is tough but fair and encourages you to get better. I will be the first one to admit I liked Bayonetta because she is Ms. Fanservice in the purest meaning of the word, but that was hardly all I liked about the game. It only scratches the upper layer of the awesomness that is Bayonetta.

[John Cribati]

The maximum speed of a skydiver is 200 kph. The muzzle velocity of a bullet from a modern firearm is 432 kph. Even with all the gravity acceleration in the world, Azula wouldn't be going half as fast as a bullet.

The bullet is going ~2x as fast. But the mass of a bullet is measured in grams, while the Mass of a 14-year-old girl is measured in Kilograms. That's a minimum of 1000x the mass of a bullet. The law of inertia would still mean it's it harder to change Azula's velocity, momentum, acceleration, etc.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Without Mantra reactor though their feats are similar at the higher ends, if we disregard obviously incorrect numbers (Infinitons would've had enough force on impact to start well over infinite big bangs. Hence 1000 infinitons.), and go by comparative pre end game feats it's not so different.

Though, Bayonetta will for sure need her summons to keep up, and The Witch Time is the only thing that will allow her not to get pasted by Asura's mountain buster / Planet Busting strikes.

It's classic Speed V.S. Power.

Even without Destructor form, whic, as far as we know, is pretty much the only thing the Reactor adds to his power (it basically removes all limits on his power level, so he can go all out without losing his mind and killing himself. It also appears he would've been matched pound for pound by Yasha), Asura's arms were shattered down to their most basic form. First, Chakravartin shattered four of them, basically leaving him Mantra Asura. Then, Chakravartin's final form shattered the mantra arms, leaving him in just his normal body, with two golden gauntlets, not even the metal arms that he gets passively from channeling Mantra when fighting.

[Brother Oni]

The bullet is going ~2x as fast. But the mass of a bullet is measured in grams, while the Mass of a 14-year-old girl is measured in Kilograms. That's a minimum of 1000x the mass of a bullet. The law of inertia would still mean it's it harder to change Azula's velocity, momentum, acceleration, etc.

Should we crunch some numbers to make everybody happy? :smalltongue:

[Flickerdart]

The bullet is going ~2x as fast. But the mass of a bullet is measured in grams, while the Mass of a 14-year-old girl is measured in Kilograms. That's a minimum of 1000x the mass of a bullet. The law of inertia would still mean it's it harder to change Azula's velocity, momentum, acceleration, etc.
A bullet is also far smaller and more aerodynamic than the girl, which means you'd need way more resistance to slow it down. It also needs to be done faster, because otherwise you get shot by one of the fifty other bullets that got fired this second.

[The Glyphstone]

A bullet is also far smaller and more aerodynamic than the girl, which means you'd need way more resistance to slow it down. It also needs to be done faster, because otherwise you get shot by one of the fifty other bullets that got fired this second.

Unless you're shooting, you know, a jet of fire that can catch multiple or even all of the bullets in its sweep.:smallcool:

[Hiro Protagonest]

Unless you're shooting, you know, a jet of fire that can catch multiple or even all of the bullets in its sweep.:smallcool:

I still don't know how a human body would protect against anything faster and more aerodynamic than a musket shooting a musket ball, let alone bullets from an very fast revolver being deflected by fire.

[Fan]

The authors themselves admitted sex appeal was a big part of this game and they developed the game with that in mind. In other words, everything you see, from exaggerated sexy walk, hips swaying, ass shots, Bayonetta getting naked during her fights, double entrendes... it's there because somebody wanted it to be there.

Now, if that was the only selling point of the game, yes, that would be bad. But the game also has good story, a lot of humor, good characters and above all, a great battle system that is tough but fair and encourages you to get better. I will be the first one to admit I liked Bayonetta because she is Ms. Fanservice in the purest meaning of the word, but that was hardly all I liked about the game. It only scratches the upper layer of the awesomness that is Bayonetta.


So it's exactly what I said it is. I am not seeing any rebuttal here other than "It's better than you think", I played the game. I know what's going on here.

=V

It's not a bad game by any measure of the word, I dislike THE CHARACTER, and it's BECAUSE she's Ms.Fanservice.

Anyways, the Gigaton attacks are what tell me that she can keep up with Asura, going by cut scene feats for both (Including QTE's.), they're fairly evenly matched.

Pre Obtaining the Mantra Reactor, Asura didn't have the strength to bust Viitra, admittedly still not exactly a strike against him, but it means that the Gigaton range is where he was stuck.

Though honestly, this jet of fire stuff when Korra can Earth bend? Step Foward -> Full Body Encasement. The only way I can see her winning is by getting that off, and Bayonetta not being able to react with Witch Time due to surprise, and even then only because No Leverage = No Strength.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Pre Obtaining the Mantra Reactor, Asura didn't have the strength to bust Viitra, admittedly still not exactly a strike against him, but it means that the Gigaton range is where he was stuck.
Alright, if Bayonetta is in the Infiniton range, Asura should have the Reactor.

I see your point, though. I was sorta unsure of whether it enhanced his raw capabilities (as evidenced by the rainbow coming from his fist when he fights Yasha, rather than merely red).

Though honestly, this jet of fire stuff when Korra can Earth bend? Step Foward -> Full Body Encasement. The only way I can see her winning is by getting that off, and Bayonetta not being able to react with Witch Time due to surprise, and even then only because No Leverage = No Strength.

Full body encasement is hard. We've only seen Aang and Toph, two masters, pull it off. Korra is said to be a master, but frankly, we don't really see it. That's not to say she's a faux action girl, she can hold her own, but Aang was on another level.

[Fan]

Alright, if Bayonetta is in the Infiniton range, Asura should have the Reactor.

I see your point, though. I was sorta unsure of whether it enhanced his raw capabilities (as evidenced by the rainbow coming from his fist when he fights Yasha, rather than merely red).

Full body encasement is hard. We've only seen Aang and Toph, two masters, pull it off. Korra is said to be a master, but frankly, we don't really see it. That's not to say she's a faux action girl, she can hold her own, but Aang was on another level.

Well, again, I'm using the pre end game ranges. Gigatons for both, though Asura will have to be limited to the start of the game, and even then looking at how fast he travels through space, and the fact that he can tank his own hits which later, busted the planet+ sized Wyzen, which would put that also into the hundreds of gigatons range.

[Flickerdart]

Unless you're shooting, you know, a jet of fire that can catch multiple or even all of the bullets in its sweep.:smallcool:
Which means that you can't concentrate the flames enough to get any pressure on individual bullets. Besides, have we ever seen Korra able to sustain a jet of flame at all?

[The Glyphstone]

Which means that you can't concentrate the flames enough to get any pressure on individual bullets. Besides, have we ever seen Korra able to sustain a jet of flame at all?

I've never seen the show, I have no idea. I've only seen the original series where firebenders only shot big flamethrower-jet columns or blasts, so was pointing out that precision rays hitting individual bullets would be harder than sweeping them up.

[Hiro Protagonest]

I've never seen the show, I have no idea. I've only seen the original series where firebenders only shot big flamethrower-jet columns or blasts, so was pointing out that precision rays hitting individual bullets would be harder than sweeping them up.

Ehh, firebenders were traditionally throwing around small fire blasts. Masters like Iroh and post-Firebending Masters Zuko could throw around small fireballs. I'm pretty sure the only time when we see sweeping jets is Sozin's Comet, and perhaps Iroh's firebreath.

[Brother Oni]

Ehh, firebenders were traditionally throwing around small fire blasts. Masters like Iroh and post-Firebending Masters Zuko could throw around small fireballs. I'm pretty sure the only time when we see sweeping jets is Sozin's Comet, and perhaps Iroh's firebreath.

How about Azula's fire-based gliding trick? Fairly hefty columns of fire there, I believe.

I think Aang's near accidental burning of Katara during his first attempt at fire bending would be another example of large fire jets.

[Knaight]

Sexiest Woman in Fiction
"Lady of the Amazons"
catfight!

Really? This is the terminology you choose to use to describe this? Really?

[Flickerdart]

How about Azula's fire-based gliding trick? Fairly hefty columns of fire there, I believe.

I think Aang's near accidental burning of Katara during his first attempt at fire bending would be another example of large fire jets.
Azula's fire gliding is a constant but small jet. Aang's accident was a large but abrupt jet. Outside of the comet, we never see a jet of flame that is both large and constant, except (Korra season finale spoilers)
Iroh's rocket technique, but even those are quite slender, and Korra doesn't show that she can manage that kind of power herself.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Really? This is the terminology you choose to use to describe this? Really?

I have to agree. There's no way that Korra can be the sexiest woman in fiction! That would have to go to Olga from Asura's Wrath. Unless Exalted counts, in which case it would have to go to one of these (http://i.imgur.com/RJ3j4.jpg) (probably the one in the big shard on the top right).

:smalltongue: