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INoKnowNames
2012-07-01, 08:40 PM
So yeah, I just watched the Avengers with my dad. And it was awesome. And it spawned many an argument from one geek to another.

What do you guys think? For the sake of fairness, this scenario would be 3 different fights against heroes of similar levels of strength. There's quite a bit of different levels of Super Weight going on in the movie, and they probably don't need to cross too badly.

Level 1: Hyper-skilled Heroes: Black Widow vs Hawkeye.

Synopsis: Two human spies, both trained to pretty much be James Bond grade awesome. Both skilled at what they do, and stronger than the average human. But not really Super Human or anything. Black Widow seems to be more proficient in Hand to Hand Combat, while Hawkeye (of course) has it in Long Ranged Combat.

My personal prediction: This fight seems a bit hard to quantify on principle. Both heroes specialize at completely different styles of combat, and they're rather hard to match. That said, with both of them being trained to have super human reflexes, I could see Black Widow outlasting Hawkeye until he ran out of his arrows, at which point he'd have to go into close ranged combat. And that would be good game for him.

Level 2: Super Human: Captain America vs Iron Man.

Synopsis: Legendary Super Soldier on the world's best body building medication (served cold), equiped with a shield that can absorb anything. Steve Rogers has an incredibly extensive career as a soldier, enhanced by the same chemicals that would go on to be used to craft the Hulk. And his shield is litterally undestroyable, making it his best weapon and defense.

Billionair Genuis Playboy Philanthropist WHO BUILT THIS THING IN A CAVE! ... WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS! Tony Stark designed the Iron Man Armor, the Weapon to defeat all Weapons, a versatile suit that enables an otherwise completely regular human to be one of the best super heroes in existance.

Personal thoughts: I'm sorry. I can't be objective with this. I really should be, but I can't. I'm incredibly biased for this one.

If he gets caught without his armor, yes, Tony Stark is otherwise a completely defenseless nerd, and gets destroyed by anything. But that's an outlier that doesn't really fit for the sake of this discussion. Even without the experience, the Iron Man Armor easily lets him put up a fight against really anything. And that's not counting all of the weapons he's got packed into the suit; enough to take on a small country singlehandedly, I'd bet. Can't even outlast him to get him to run out of toys, since his generator enables him to pretty much be super 24-7 if he so wanted to. Even drunk enough to make a Dwarf pass out, he's still a pretty decent shot, too. And, of course, despite his immature attitude, he's still as smart as Bruce Banner. There's too much against the Captain for this to be anything but Tony's fight to lose. Almost to the point where I think I should have had discussions for the 3 Heroes and the 3 Super Heroes.

Level 3: DemiGods amoung Men: The Mighty Thor vs The Hulk

Synopsis: Son of Odin and Thunder God, Thor's a seasoned warrior equiped with the mythical Hammer Mjolnir. Endowed with true Super Strength and Durability, and the Speed to match it, Thor also controls Lightning and Storms.

Meanwhile, the Hulk. Bruce Banner, regular human genius, when unagitated. But with the slightest provication, he becomes a juggernaut as of yet uncontainable by the best resources humanity has to offer. His strength is legendary, and he is almost completely invunerable, shrugging away even advanced weaponry and alien technology as if they were rain. Additionally, as he is made angrier, he becomes even more powerful.

Personal prediction: Thor vs the Hulk is an even harder fight to judge... Thor -is- a God, and whether or not Gods can be slain through brute force is certainly yet to be seen. At the same time, Asgardian combat revolves quite a bit around beating the ever loving stew out of eachother, so it would be likely that the Hulk could fit in rather well. And considering that the Hulk's tanked falls that even Thor had to avoid, it seems reasonable that he could probably stand more of a fight than the God. Still, the Hulk is mortal, and Thor commands the elements. If he doesn't try to fight the monster strength for strength, and uses the powers of his hammer, I'd give it to Thor. If he was brave/stupid enough to try to man handle the Hulk (and there's certainly a reasonable argument that he is), Hulk's free to do what he does best: Smash.

Discuss. Also, while I understand that the comics have had some pretty interesting stories, for the most part I'm thinking conversation should be stuck to the latest movie reboots. Iron Man and Iron Man 2, Captain America, Thor, The Hulk, and The Avengers, specifically.

Though, if the conversation seems boring at that point, then feel free to continue referencing comics.

Dienekes
2012-07-01, 08:57 PM
Black Widow vs Hawkeye: Depends entirely on the range they start in. If they start up close Natasha can kick Hawkeye three ways to Sunday. If at a distance, Barton will not only see Widow first but would probably have killed her before she knows what's going on.

Iron Man vs Captain America: If going by the movies, I'd give it to Iron Man 150%. Iron Man lays down some tank busting fire and heavy explosives and the Captain has nowhere to go. If going by the comics books then it's a bit different. There are some things to remember: 1) Iron Man for a good portion of his run was actually a very terrible fighter, and what he did learn of combat he learned from the Captain himself. And also, Rogers is just that good. You shoot an explosive at him? He'll recognize the blast radius and where he will have the best cover or outright get out of it's way in time. I believe last time they did fight it was more or less a draw.

Thor vs Hulk: Hulk strongest there is. Thor can fly very high, Hulk can jump that. Thor can shoot lightning. That'll just make Hulk angrier, and then that'll make Hulk stronger.

SaintRidley
2012-07-01, 09:32 PM
Thor vs Hulk: Hulk strongest there is. Thor can fly very high, Hulk can jump that. Thor can shoot lightning. That'll just make Hulk angrier, and then that'll make Hulk stronger.

Note. Thor knocks Hulk down and puts Mjolnir on Hulk's chest. Victory to Thor.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-01, 11:07 PM
Note. Thor knocks Hulk down and puts Mjolnir on Hulk's chest. Victory to Thor.

I'm not sure, but I think there was one comic storyline where Hulk lifted Mjolnir despite not being worthy, just with pure brute strength.

SaintRidley
2012-07-01, 11:44 PM
I'm not sure, but I think there was one comic storyline where Hulk lifted Mjolnir despite not being worthy, just with pure brute strength.

I think it happens in the Ultimates universe. Doesn't seem to be the case in the cinematic universe. At least not yet.

Raimun
2012-07-01, 11:45 PM
1) Depends on the battleground. Long range favors Hawkeye, cover favors Widow. I imagine the battle would be decided if one of them could sneak attack the other.

2) Iron Man has a lot of advatages (fully armored, repulsors, super strength, flight) but it's not a hopeless battle for the captain. Cap is perhaps the most skilled fighter in Marvel comics. His shield is way more durable than Iron Man's armor and has teared through the armor before. It still wouldn't be an easy fight for Cap but he'd have a fighting chance and that's all he needs.

3) Depends. Hulk has always that potential for unlimited strength. Thor can't always keep up with that but he has pulled equally insane powers out of his... helmet. So it's decided by whoever is writing that by a pseudo-metaphysical and/or -philosophical epiphany that favors the other.

Of course we all know these fights would end when one or both of them realized they're both good guys and so on. :smalltongue:

Fan
2012-07-02, 12:28 AM
Hulk having unlimited strength is a non limits fallacy.

As for Thor, well, here's some scans (Note, So long as it's all mainline marvel, dem feats be canon. Marvel doesn't have any reboots like DC does. No 1 more day did not happen, entire point of the storyline.)


The Mighty Thor shall not yet be felled by this maddened beast.



Strength:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength32Annual12.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength28309.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength12JIM119.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength20Avengers100.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength31327.jpg

Durability:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability23-Projectile315.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability15-Gravitational.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability39v225Energy.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability40Energy.jpg

Speed:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed02JIM93.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed04JIM108.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed01185.jpg

It is not without manueverability though:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed04Avengers277.jpg

And he is ALWAYS in control of his flight pattern.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir145a-Flight400.jpg

Catching Hermes:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg

Deflection of a Speed of Thought (Faster than Light in Marvel according to Charles Xavier, and Grod.)

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed18428.jpg

Tagging Hermes again:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg

Super Powers:

Manipulation of the Earth:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorGaeasPower0104.jpg

Omni Directional Energy Blast:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorOmniblast02600.jpg

When Mjolnir was split from Thor tapping into the power of The Godblast, he reformed it with lightning from his hands:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning03v211.jpg

Canon Proof he holds back while with the Avengers:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint01a149.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint03v212.jpg

Flattens Iron Man in a single smack, and again, proof he holds back:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorRestraint06v303.jpg


Thor is a contender against The Sentry as The Void who knows how to, and isn't afraid, to use the full extent of his powers, The Sentry took down the Hulk at his ANGRIEST (Pinnacle of rage, World War Hulk is stated to be angrier than he's ever been.), without killing him (The New Sentry is officially Abrahamic God though. In comic confirmed at that.) while holding back. Albeit the sentry did go down thanks to a backstab at the end of the fight.

Raimun
2012-07-02, 11:52 AM
Thor is a contender against The Sentry as The Void who knows how to, and isn't afraid, to use the full extent of his powers, The Sentry took down the Hulk at his ANGRIEST (Pinnacle of rage, World War Hulk is stated to be angrier than he's ever been.), without killing him (The New Sentry is officially Abrahamic God though. In comic confirmed at that.)

I wouldn't call that confirmation, if you speak of Dark Avengers #13. More like a metaphor or at the very best an allusion. Sentry wasn't even born back then and he can't travel through time.

On original topic: I tried to be objective on my previous post but if you ask me, Thor would win against Hulk. Like you said, Hulk was beaten by Sentry who was in turn beaten by Thor.

Hulk would have a fighting chance if they just duked it out mano-a-mano. If anything goes, Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-02, 12:03 PM
I wouldn't call that confirmation, if you speak of Dark Avengers #13. More like a metaphor or at the very best an allusion. Sentry wasn't even born back then and he can't travel through time.

On original topic: I tried to be objective on my previous post but if you ask me, Thor would win against Hulk. Like you said, Hulk was beaten by Sentry who was in turn beaten Thor.

Hulk would have a fighting chance if they just duked it out mano-a-mano. If anything goes, Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light.



For ages, Odin has protected his kingdom of Asgard. But every winter, the All-Father must rest and regain his strength for one week. During this time, all of Asgard's foes (including trolls, giants, dark elves, and demons) try to claim the realm for their own, but they are always stopped by Odin's son, the mighty Thor, albeit with the loss of many brave Asgardian warriors.

Loki, god of mischief, has kidnapped Dr. Bruce Banner and brought him to Asgard with the help of Amora, once Thor's lover, now the supervillain known as the Enchantress. Loki makes Banner angry and he changes into the Hulk. The Enchantress then casts a spell over the Hulk which separates Banner from his monstrous alter-ego and grants Loki control over the Hulk's body.

Hulk/Loki arrives at the gates of Asgard and attacks the Warriors Three (Fandral, Hogun, and Volstagg) and other Asgardians. Thor comes to the gates and is attacked by Hulk/Loki. Thor is familiar with Bruce Banner, but does not know that Loki is controlling the Hulk. Thor tries to communicate with Banner, which results in Loki actually talking through the Hulk.

After a prolonged battle, Hulk/Loki attempts to pick up Thor's hammer, Mjolnir, which is enchanted with a spell that renders it usable only to those it deems worthy. Amora warns Loki that he can not wield Mjolnir, and has to stop before he is no longer in control of the Hulk. Loki, of course, does not listen and continues to attempt to lift the hammer via the Hulk's unimaginable strength. Mjolnir flies to Thor, who uses his powers to separate Loki from the Hulk. It works, but this proves to be a huge mistake. Without Banner's personality or Loki's control, the Hulk is an unstoppable living incarnation of pure rage, and he beats Thor nearly to death.

Hela, the daughter of Loki and ruler of Hell, the underworld, attempts to claim Thor's soul but is stopped by the Enchantress. Amora refers to Thor as "my love" and kisses him, which revives the thunder god. At first Thor appears to intend to go back after the Hulk, but realizes another fight would only have the same result. To stop the Hulk they must reunite him with Bruce Banner. Amora betrays Loki and gives Thor the location of where he is hiding.

Thor arrives at Loki's hideout with the aid of the Enchantress and they discover that Loki has killed Banner, growing tired of Banner's warnings about the Hulk. Because Banner died in Asgard, Hela claimed his soul, therefore, Amora has no way to send the Hulk back to Earth. Thor tells Amora that she must go to Sif, the woman Thor now loves, to aid and defend Odin. She reluctantly agrees and Loki summons all of his evil forces to battle the Hulk. However, not even good and evil forces combined could halt the Hulk's advance, as he was beckoned by the light coming from Odin's chamber.

Thor and Loki arrives in Hell where they meet Hela who at first refuses to bring Bruce Banner back. Saying that once he is dead his spirit is hers. Though Thor and Loki convince her to bring him back, since Bruce's spirit was split from the Hulk she has an "incomplete soul". Since his death, Banner is enjoying an afterlife in which he is living a normal life, free from the Hulk, he is the husband to his true love, Betty Ross, and father to a boy named Bruce Jr. Soon though, this vision ends when Hela brings him to her throne where Thor and Loki awaits. Thor says that Asgard needs his help but Banner does not want to help and wishes to remain dead, in his happy vision. Loki slyly manages to convince Hela to bring the Hulk to Hell, so that she could have the complete being. She complies and teleports the Hulk to Hell, just as he reached Odin's slumbering form.

Hulk attacks upon seeing Banner but Thor interferes. After another battle with Thor, who loses the fight even with Loki's help, Banner gets Hulk's attention, dropping Thor and Loki to charge him. When he comes in contact with Banner, they rejoin and is teleported back to Earth by Hela, who considers him too dangerous to be kept, even in Hell. However, due to the damage the Hulk had caused to her kingdom and given that she has relinquished a soul, she demands one in exchange. Hela takes Loki's for this, but promises his stay won't be permanent, given that she is his daughter. Odin finally awakens and Sif and Thor kiss each other as Amora quietly leaves, deeply saddened. Odin holds a celebration that day for all of the Asgardians who triumphed over evil and also gives his thanks to Bruce Banner who is back on Earth. The final scene is of Banner walking alone down a barren highway.

TLDR:Loki possesses Hulk to fight Thor and gets his ass kicked.

Hulk loses Banner's personality and goes all-out, and not even a Thor/Loki teamup can slow him down.

Raimun
2012-07-02, 12:15 PM
TLDR:Loki possesses Hulk to fight Thor and gets his ass kicked.

Hulk loses Banner's personality and goes all-out, and not even a Thor/Loki teamup can slow him down.

Heh, really? Surely, Thor claimed after that that he was just holding back. :smallamused:

deuterio12
2012-07-02, 12:21 PM
Heh, really? Surely, Thor claimed after that that he was just holding back. :smallamused:

The Hulk is in a mindless rampage and Thor holds back? That sounds more like as an excuse on his part.

In particular because in the recent Fear Itself series, when the Hulk again goes into a rampage and Thor tries to face him with the help of other heroes, the thunder god ends up smashed again and admiting he could never really beat the Hulk(and then uses his last strenght for a hammer trick to throw the Hulk out of the city they were fighting on, but the Hulk is still conscious and rampaging, while Thor is left out cold).

EDIT: And a comment on Iron Man, he's pretty far from human now even whitout the armor. He's gone trough some crazy process that basically turned him into some kind of cyrborg, precisely because he believed the armor was no good if he was still a squishy human inside. Also beated the crap out of a skrull army while in just his underwear.

Fan
2012-07-02, 04:57 PM
TLDR:Loki possesses Hulk to fight Thor and gets his ass kicked.

Hulk loses Banner's personality and goes all-out, and not even a Thor/Loki teamup can slow him down.

That's a movie, it's non canon, given that it has no comic equivalent.

In comic, a Thor / Loki teamup was enough to take on the fully realized Sentry who is so far ahead of World Warhulk that yes, while Hulk may have been hitting The Sentry that literally means less than nothing as The Sentry can re-assemble his atoms.

Read Siege, it'll do you well. =V

The Hulk is TOUGH, and he is unbelievably strong, but Thor is strong enough to take on a Celestial, and Thor has done battle with the likes of Galactus.



http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/1377187-thor_galactus_strike_super.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/4i5vaj4.jpg


And won.

He's also fought the Sentry, Thor is no stranger to murder:


http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/pfrangip/comics/tumblr_kuzartrBbg1qzm6hao1_1280.jpg


As far as I remember. The Hulk, at his angriest, LOST that fight to the Sentry, in fact, lost bad enough that The Sentry was able to depower rather than kill him. Thor also KILLS the Sentry, rather than ties with him in a face punching contest.

Hmm...

Hulk's strongest feat is a one time instance of his two step shifting of the tectonic plates, Thor's strength feats actually surpass that of The Incredible Hulk in their multitude. With him throwing The Migard Serpent (who was in fact larger than the world as it was able to coil around it.) off the planet, and millions of kilometers away. However, in spirit of the characters, we will cede the fact that Hulk is strongest there is. Physically, the energy blasts that Thor has put out have reduced The Sentry (a known energy manipulator.) to a skeletal heap.

Thor has TANKED planet busting strikes at point blank range, for at least 5 seconds (I mean come on, read that. It'd take them 5-10 seconds to SAY that much.), putting him head and shoulders above the Hulk in durability. However, Hulk has a healing factor.

What really sets this for me however, is Thor's speed combined with his ability to tag the hulk, sure Hulk can thunderclap at superspeeds, but nothing he has puts him at Triple the speed of light.

The difference here, is that Thor is a God, and mighty as he is. The Hulk is but a man.

INoKnowNames
2012-07-02, 05:58 PM
Semi updated commentary.


Black Widow vs Hawkeye: Depends entirely on the range they start in. If they start up close Natasha can kick Hawkeye three ways to Sunday. If at a distance, Barton will not only see Widow first but would probably have killed her before she knows what's going on.

Iron Man vs Captain America: If going by the movies, I'd give it to Iron Man 150%. Iron Man lays down some tank busting fire and heavy explosives and the Captain has nowhere to go. If going by the comics books then it's a bit different. There are some things to remember: 1) Iron Man for a good portion of his run was actually a very terrible fighter, and what he did learn of combat he learned from the Captain himself. And also, Rogers is just that good. You shoot an explosive at him? He'll recognize the blast radius and where he will have the best cover or outright get out of it's way in time. I believe last time they did fight it was more or less a draw.

Thor vs Hulk: Hulk strongest there is. Thor can fly very high, Hulk can jump that. Thor can shoot lightning. That'll just make Hulk angrier, and then that'll make Hulk stronger.

You think that Black Widow would be unable to at least dodge against Hawkeye's arrows? Even with her training? Honestly, I think that she'd be less screwed stuck in his special range than he would be in hers, and more likely to be able to force the fight to her advantage than he would be.

Yeah, Movie Iron Man vs Movie Captain. Splash Damage and the Ex-Wife.

I don't see the Hulk being able to jump into the stratosphere... but then again, I'm not sure if Thor could summon a storm that big to engage the hulk with... If a series of Sonic Blasting Machines is capable of, at least for a moment, bringing him to his knees, a hurricane and lightning storm might be able to...


Note. Thor knocks Hulk down and puts Mjolnir on Hulk's chest. Victory to Thor.

Shenanigans! XD

Yeah, Thor's got to think smart with Mjolnir to beat the Hulk... but that was shown in movie...


Of course we all know these fights would end when one or both of them realized they're both good guys and so on. :smalltongue:

No! Puny God Called Hulk Petty And Tiny! Hulk Show Puny God Who Tiny! RAWRGH!


Hulk having unlimited strength is a non limits fallacy.

That's probably in the rules of the threads for Versus Threads somewhere, right?

I don't see anything wrong with Hulk being able to get Angrier and Stronger, since that's what he does. But even if he gets the ability to be able to jump from planet to planet somehow (although I doubt he'd get -THAT- strong, at least in the movies), I don't see him hitting Thor if Thor doesn't get stupid and decide to try to take him on...


Hulk would have a fighting chance if they just duked it out mano-a-mano. If anything goes, Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light.

I thought he could just recall it fast... and it certainly never looked like the speed of light that it moved to him.

TheEmerged
2012-07-02, 06:34 PM
Hammer on Hulk's chest. It's pretty well established even in that very scene that the hammer's "Thou Shalt Not Lift Me Unless Thine Plot Calls For It" mojo doesn't invoke cause/effect. Not that Hulk can't lift it, yet it isn't denting the floor.

So this tactic might work for pinning Hulk but not killing\injuring him.

And remember, Wonder Woman has lift it in the past so it's not just a function of strength.

Devonix
2012-07-02, 06:38 PM
That's a movie, it's non canon, given that it has no comic equivalent.

In comic, a Thor / Loki teamup was enough to take on the fully realized Sentry who is so far ahead of World Warhulk that yes, while Hulk may have been hitting The Sentry that literally means less than nothing as The Sentry can re-assemble his atoms.

Read Siege, it'll do you well. =V

The Hulk is TOUGH, and he is unbelievably strong, but Thor is strong enough to take on a Celestial, and Thor has done battle with the likes of Galactus.



http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/1377187-thor_galactus_strike_super.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/4i5vaj4.jpg


And won.

He's also fought the Sentry, Thor is no stranger to murder:


http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/pfrangip/comics/tumblr_kuzartrBbg1qzm6hao1_1280.jpg


As far as I remember. The Hulk, at his angriest, LOST that fight to the Sentry, in fact, lost bad enough that The Sentry was able to depower rather than kill him. Thor also KILLS the Sentry, rather than ties with him in a face punching contest.

Hmm...

Hulk's strongest feat is a one time instance of his two step shifting of the tectonic plates, Thor's strength feats actually surpass that of The Incredible Hulk in their multitude. With him throwing The Migard Serpent (who was in fact larger than the world as it was able to coil around it.) off the planet, and millions of kilometers away. However, in spirit of the characters, we will cede the fact that Hulk is strongest there is. Physically, the energy blasts that Thor has put out have reduced The Sentry (a known energy manipulator.) to a skeletal heap.

Thor has TANKED planet busting strikes at point blank range, for at least 5 seconds (I mean come on, read that. It'd take them 5-10 seconds to SAY that much.), putting him head and shoulders above the Hulk in durability. However, Hulk has a healing factor.

What really sets this for me however, is Thor's speed combined with his ability to tag the hulk, sure Hulk can thunderclap at superspeeds, but nothing he has puts him at Triple the speed of light.

The difference here, is that Thor is a God, and mighty as he is. The Hulk is but a man.

Hulk going all out is a plannetary level threat. Thor not holding back is a Galactic level threat.

Hell Thor's beaten the Phoenix in solo combat.

Fan
2012-07-02, 07:02 PM
Hulk going all out is a plannetary level threat. Thor not holding back is a Galactic level threat.

Hell Thor's beaten the Phoenix in solo combat.

We could always try Rune King Thor if people think Hulk stomps still. :smallwink:

Devonix
2012-07-02, 07:08 PM
We could always try Rune King Thor if people think Hulk stomps still. :smallwink:

Odin power Thor is enough.

We don't wanna get into Warriors Rage + Rune King and then he becomes a Universal threat level.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-02, 07:48 PM
Hulk going all out is a plannetary level threat. Thor not holding back is a Galactic level threat.

Hell Thor's beaten the Phoenix in solo combat.

Recently, in the Avengers VS X-Men storyline, Phoenix easily smoked Thor and and the team of Avengers he led against it.

Fan
2012-07-02, 08:11 PM
Recently, in the Avengers VS X-Men storyline, Phoenix easily smoked Thor and and the team of Avengers he led against it.

My scans above prove otherwise in earlier storylines.

Scans plox.

Because the foes that Thor fights are time, and time again greater than The Phoenix. The man has beaten Galactus, and The Sentry. Both of whom have punked beings far and beyond that of The Phoenix's caliber.

Because again, when facing with mortals or teamed with the Avengers "He has come to act as less than he is." due to a desire not to murder people.

He's very much an equivalent to Marvel's Superman +1 when it comes to "World of Cardboard" instances.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-02, 08:40 PM
My scans above prove otherwise in earlier storylines.

Scans plox.

Because the foes that Thor fights are time, and time again greater than The Phoenix. The man has beaten Galactus, and The Sentry. Both of whom have punked beings far and beyond that of The Phoenix's caliber.

Because again, when facing with mortals or teamed with the Avengers "He has come to act as less than he is." due to a desire not to murder people.

He's very much an equivalent to Marvel's Superman +1 when it comes to "World of Cardboard" instances.

No, I'm not going to provide scans. Scans would involve having the comic books or torrenting them (something I lack the capability to do with my computer).

Not to mention, as I've said before, your scans are HORRIBLE sources. All they do is provide out-of-context quotes and pictures that can then be interpreted however YOU see fit like, for example, using a scan of a completely different character than Superman to support Superman.

My sources come from Wikipedia and the Marvel Wiki, and say what you want about using a wiki as a source, very rarely do they take MAJOR PLOT POINTS and lie about them.


As war breaks out on the beaches of Utopia between the Avengers and X-Men, Emma Frost takes Hope inside the compound and leaves her with members of The Lights for her protection. Hope, believing that she is the cause of war and insisting she is the one that must end it, takes out The Lights. Wolverine and Spider-Man infiltrate the compound and find Hope but are defeated by her growing Phoenix powers. Hope then leaves Utopia as more X-Men and Avengers rush into the compound. Meanwhile in deep space, Thor leads a select group of Avengers as they prepare to encounter the Phoenix Force.[14]

After convincing the Avengers that they have surrendered, Cyclops's Extinction Team escape off of Utopia in order to track down Hope. The Avengers follow suit using Rachel Summers to operate Cerebra but discover that Hope has masked her trail, unaware that Rachel is working as a double agent for Cyclops. Wolverine and Captain America then get into an altercation aboard the Quinjet over how to handle Hope should they find her, with Wolverine believing that she must be killed and being ejected from the plane.[15]

Wolverine is rescued by Hope, who asks for his help to reach the Blue Area of the Moon. Meanwhile in space, Thor and the Secret Avengers are defeated by the Phoenix. On Earth, the Avengers and the X-Men search for Hope in Wakanda, The Savage Land, Wundagore, Latveria and Tabula Rasa. Wolverine and Hope land on the Moon, but not before Wolverine signals Captain America, who follows them with a team of Avengers. The X-Men arrive soon afterwards, after Emma Frost scans Captain America's mind. As both sides begin to fight, a nearly-unconscious Thor falls to the surface and points out that the Phoenix is coming.[16]

Devonix
2012-07-02, 08:46 PM
No, I'm not going to provide scans. Scans would involve having the comic books or torrenting them (something I lack the capability to do with my computer).

Not to mention, as I've said before, your scans are HORRIBLE sources. All they do is provide out-of-context quotes and pictures that can then be interpreted however YOU see fit like, for example, using a scan of a completely different character than Superman to support Superman.

My sources come from Wikipedia and the Marvel Wiki, and say what you want about using a wiki as a source, very rarely do they take MAJOR PLOT POINTS and lie about them.

Now Now bob I've often sided with people when Fan goes Scan overboard with out of context stuff even when I agree with him. But here he's shown the same character, from the same continuity, in events which to this day are still canon and have not been retconned.

I am not saying that Thor Punks the Phoenix, only that Thor has the capability of defeating it.

That's why the Phoenix taking down Thor is supposed to be shocking. Because Thor's the one person they know that can stand in it's way and if Thor is down then what are they gonna do.

It loses impact if we automatically assume Phoenix > Thor. Its dramatic because it's a fair fight.

Also it's a fight that isn't over Thor's not dead is he? No. All Phoenix did was knock him around a bit.

Fan
2012-07-02, 08:51 PM
No, I'm not going to provide scans. Scans would involve having the comic books or torrenting them (something I lack the capability to do with my computer).

Not to mention, as I've said before, your scans are HORRIBLE sources. All they do is provide out-of-context quotes and pictures that can then be interpreted however YOU see fit like, for example, using a scan of a completely different character than Superman to support Superman.

My sources come from Wikipedia and the Marvel Wiki, and say what you want about using a wiki as a source, very rarely do they take MAJOR PLOT POINTS and lie about them.

I'm sorry, I have actual proof to back up my claims, YOU could have edited that wiki page to say whatever the heck you like.

I can't edit a comic scan, I don't have the type of software / skills needed to do so. Anybody can type.

So unless you got scans, or I dunno, actual proof aside from a colossal amount of personal bias, that's a concession.

Now I have 3 instances in where Thor has taken on beings who've taken down the Phoenix, and won. Thor only truly shines in his own storylines because that's where his godly battles occur, where he fights not as Thor the mortal hero, but as Thor Odinson Scion of Asgard, and Gaea.

Dienekes
2012-07-02, 08:52 PM
My scans above prove otherwise in earlier storylines.

Scans plox.

Because the foes that Thor fights are time, and time again greater than The Phoenix. The man has beaten Galactus, and The Sentry. Both of whom have punked beings far and beyond that of The Phoenix's caliber.

Because again, when facing with mortals or teamed with the Avengers "He has come to act as less than he is." due to a desire not to murder people.

He's very much an equivalent to Marvel's Superman +1 when it comes to "World of Cardboard" instances.

Here's a thing I learned from my years with comic books. Power level and who beats who is more fluid than water. I bet I can find any major comic character and show them beating up any other major character or someone of roughly equal or greater power.

It's odd, and it leaves tacking their powers a bit of a mess. For every time Thor says: Only now I am unleashing my full potential, there's another time when he exclaims: Even my great strength cannot stop this foe.

So with that I still give it to the Hulk, because not even looking at his feats of strength (of which destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth, or holding an exploding planet together may be the top shown) at least in his canonical fluff that all writers work with, his strength has no limits.

I will admit though, I may be short changing Thor because I really do not know all that much about the guy.

Devonix
2012-07-02, 08:57 PM
Also Bob this time it's you posting things that were out of contex. the wikipedia article you listed was of a different hulk and Thor.

It's the equivalent of your calling Fan's posts on the superman thread using someone that wasn't Thor at all.

Fan
2012-07-02, 08:58 PM
Here's a thing I learned from my years with comic books. Power level and who beats who is more fluid than water. I bet I can find any major comic character and show them beating up any other major character or someone of roughly equal or greater power.

It's odd, and it leaves tacking their powers a bit of a mess. For every time Thor says: Only now I am unleashing my full potential, there's another time when he exclaims: Even my great strength cannot stop this foe.

So with that I still give it to the Hulk, because not even looking at his feats of strength (of which destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth, or holding an exploding planet together may be the top shown) at least in his canonical fluff that all writers work with, his strength has no limits.

I will admit though, I may be short changing Thor because I really do not know all that much about the guy.

Galactus punks hulk every time.

Thor has punked Galactus with the strength of The Godblast.

Thor has punked the Sentry, who punked The Hulk is a straight slugfest without the god blast.

IF Thor is blood lusted by conditions that cause this to be a fight to the death then Thor smacks the Hulk with The God Blast and rends his soul from his body.

Again, you gotta have scans to beat the literal book of scans I've provided to counter these arguments. Thor just plays in bigger leagues than Mr.Big Green.

Devonix
2012-07-02, 09:00 PM
Here's a thing I learned from my years with comic books. Power level and who beats who is more fluid than water. I bet I can find any major comic character and show them beating up any other major character or someone of roughly equal or greater power.

It's odd, and it leaves tacking their powers a bit of a mess. For every time Thor says: Only now I am unleashing my full potential, there's another time when he exclaims: Even my great strength cannot stop this foe.

So with that I still give it to the Hulk, because not even looking at his feats of strength (of which destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth, or holding an exploding planet together may be the top shown) at least in his canonical fluff that all writers work with, his strength has no limits.

I will admit though, I may be short changing Thor because I really do not know all that much about the guy.


Thing about Thor though is while he's strong that's not where his best abilities lie. Hulk wrestling Thor is going to end up with a Flattened Thor.

Thor using his powers on Hulk is gonna end with Hulk either in another dimension, Another planet., Blasted with enough energy to take down a Celestial. Shapeshifted into something else with Rune magic Sent back in time to the dawn of creation. Ect.

Dienekes
2012-07-02, 09:10 PM
Thing about Thor though is while he's strong that's not where his best abilities lie. Hulk wrestling Thor is going to end up with a Flattened Thor.

Thor using his powers on Hulk is gonna end with Hulk either in another dimension, Another planet., Blasted with enough energy to take down a Celestial. Shapeshifted into something else with Rune magic Sent back in time to the dawn of creation. Ect.

Hmm, very possible. As I said, my knowledge of Thor is limited, and what I have seen has not been of possible Hulk power. But if all you say is true and isn't just the random bullcrap one or two authors pull out their arse then definitely Thor wins this fight.

JDMSJR
2012-07-02, 09:22 PM
Scans should not matter since the original poster said this is dealing with the movie versions of the characters.

Devonix
2012-07-02, 09:23 PM
Hmm, very possible. As I said, my knowledge of Thor is limited, and what I have seen has not been of possible Hulk power. But if all you say is true and isn't just the random bullcrap one or two authors pull out their arse then definitely Thor wins this fight.

Yep one of my fave fights was the Avengers batteling someone and then the Thor just magics up a portal to another dimension so that the others can punch the guy in there for safe keeping until they feel like letting him out.

Devonix
2012-07-02, 09:25 PM
Scans should not matter since the original poster said this is dealing with the movie versions of the characters.

Movie verse is a crapshoot since we don't have enough info on either.

We don't know how much power that Thor has.

We don't even know if Hulk has limitless power in that universe

Don't know real details about either or how their powers work.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-02, 09:27 PM
{{scrubbed}}

Fan
2012-07-02, 09:36 PM
Most of the older scans I've posted are from Thor Annual, these are THE mainline Thor story's, and are more canon than anything else except maybe for the original Journey into Mystery's.

Speaking of those,




http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength19Defenders10.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/79564/1823826-thorannual09_29_crop1.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir184-EnergyAbsorptionv222.jpg



Not that it's of much use against Hulk, but there's some more feats for general use. The last one is him intercepting the Planet Busting Bolt in a later engagement.

Again Bob, I don't.. really care about personal feelings one way or the other, I have the entierity of both World War Hulk, and Siege on my HDD. I can post them all, I admit I don't own EVERY Thor annual, but that's a tens of thousands dollar investment.

However I do have a more complete scan of him fighting Galactus, along with a backing up of the Damaging a Celestial feat, and for fun I'll throw on MORE scans from different story lines just to prove how wrong you are:



http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1400455-thor_138_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67610/1724358-thor_161_19_super.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSurtur06.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir66-TimeTravel178.jpg



Because again, it's not me who's full of crap. I actually back up what I say. Try it some time instead of slinging around personal insults.


Your argument has no basis, it's basically "No u.", you claim my argument is unfounded, then what are your grounds? On what basis are my book of comic scans invalid? Have I lied and fabricated a scan? Have I blown up Thor's capabilities as anything larger than they have been shown to be in comic?

I haven't, and sir, perhaps it is your own argument that needs examining.

Devonix
2012-07-02, 09:53 PM
Dammit this is why I hate vs threads everyone just takes them serious to the point of no fun.

Do I think Thor can beat Hulk ?

Yes I do. You know my reasons.

Scans... Yes scans are a good source of info. Simply stating that because they are scans makes them invalid... is a bit silly when you get down to it.

Does Fan go Scan overboard, yes he does. But his scans to have contex, he's not using Alternate universes. Just one specific character and thing's he's done during his run.

All he's doing is showing what Thor is capable of.

Let insults and namecalling go away, they have no place on the board. We're all in this thread because we wanna have fun, at least that's why I'm here.

Devonix
2012-07-02, 09:57 PM
I'm actually suprised you found a time travel scan so fast. It's something he so rarely does.

Fan
2012-07-02, 10:01 PM
I'm actually suprised you found a time travel scan so fast. It's something he so rarely does.

I have scans for most super hero's, doing most things that have been repeated in comics, I have two more time travel scans for Thor that will be provided upon request.

Dienekes
2012-07-02, 10:02 PM
I have scans for most super hero's, doing most things that have been repeated in comics, I have two more time travel scans for Thor that will be provided upon request.

Why? stuff

Fan
2012-07-02, 10:05 PM
Why? stuff

Because people seem to think that one of instances aren't valid. *shrug* I can't blame them because those kinds of things can get pretty silly.

As for the story's? Thor Annual's, Journey into Mystery #8, Thor #300, Thor Vol. 3 #4, Journey into Mystery #85 -#86.

You're welcome to read them all. *shrug*

Devonix
2012-07-02, 10:09 PM
Why? stuff

Someone might ask for one? also it's fun.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-02, 10:14 PM
Dammit this is why I hate vs threads everyone just takes them serious to the point of no fun.

Do I think Thor can beat Hulk ?

Yes I do. You know my reasons.

Scans... Yes scans are a good source of info. Simply stating that because they are scans makes them invalid... is a bit silly when you get down to it.

Does Fan go Scan overboard, yes he does. But his scans to have contex, he's not using Alternate universes. Just one specific character and thing's he's done during his run.

All he's doing is showing what Thor is capable of.

Let insults and namecalling go away, they have no place on the board. We're all in this thread because we wanna have fun, at least that's why I'm here.

Yeah, I'm done with him. I apologize to the rest of the board.

Scans are an okay source in themselves, when they are provided context. Something that's nearly impossible with only one page and a little sentence. Especially when it could just come from a book with a bad writer and no sense of scale.

My big problem is when a major RECENT plotline (Avengers VS X Men) is declared null and void because "I don't have scans" even though anyone can go and look up the plot synopsis on any site about it, or when one medium is considered "non-canon" simply because it doesn't support the other side.

Honestly, I've never seen Thor banish anyone outright (who wasn't some sort of supernatural being who could be banished anyway). Movie Thor VS Movie Hulk I'd give to Hulk, but only because that Hulk seems to be very powerful while Thor is dumbed down from his other incarnations. Comic Thor VS Comic Hulk is actually pretty tough. Thor has more abilities, but Hulk is just so damn unkillable. I'd say Thor on the grounds that usually Hulk has Banner subconsciously keeping him in check.

I don't doubt that Thor could or has beaten Phoenix in the past, I just know that the Phoenix Force on its return to Earth beat Thor and several Avengers he took with him to fight it.

Further Stuff:
Then it tried to possess Hope Summers but Hope for some reason couldn't contain it, Iron Man came on the scene with an Anti-Phoenix weapon of some kind, and it split the Phoenix Force into five which inhabited Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor (yeah, I didn't know he was an X-Man either), Colossus, and Magik

Dienekes
2012-07-02, 10:16 PM
Because people seem to think that one of instances aren't valid. *shrug* I can't blame them because those kinds of things can get pretty silly.

As for the story's? Thor Annual's, Journey into Mystery #8, Thor #300, Thor Vol. 3 #4, Journey into Mystery #85 -#86.

You're welcome to read them all. *shrug*

It just seems like a lot of work for something as pointless as online verses threads. But hey, we all do pointless things.

Anyway since the change of the OP and information provided here are my answers

Movies
Black Widow vs Hawkeye: Depends entirely on distance at the start of the fight.
Captain America vs Iron Man: Iron Man
Hulk vs Thor: Hulk

Comics
Black Widow vs Hawkeye: Unchanged
Captain America vs Iron Man: tie
Hulk vs Thor: Thor

Devonix
2012-07-02, 10:29 PM
Yeah, I'm done with him. I apologize to the rest of the board.

Scans are an okay source in themselves, when they are provided context. Something that's nearly impossible with only one page and a little sentence. Especially when it could just come from a book with a bad writer and no sense of scale.

My big problem is when a major RECENT plotline (Avengers VS X Men) is declared null and void because "I don't have scans" even though anyone can go and look up the plot synopsis on any site about it, or when one medium is considered "non-canon" simply because it doesn't support the other side.

Honestly, I've never seen Thor banish anyone outright (who wasn't some sort of supernatural being who could be banished anyway). Movie Thor VS Movie Hulk I'd give to Hulk, but only because that Hulk seems to be very powerful while Thor is dumbed down from his other incarnations. Comic Thor VS Comic Hulk is actually pretty tough. Thor has more abilities, but Hulk is just so damn unkillable. I'd say Thor on the grounds that usually Hulk has Banner subconsciously keeping him in check.

I don't doubt that Thor could or has beaten Phoenix in the past, I just know that the Phoenix Force on its return to Earth beat Thor and several Avengers he took with him to fight it.

Further Stuff:
Then it tried to possess Hope Summers but Hope for some reason couldn't contain it, Iron Man came on the scene with an Anti-Phoenix weapon of some kind, and it split the Phoenix Force into five which inhabited Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor (yeah, I didn't know he was an X-Man either), Colossus, and Magik


No one was saying that what you posted was invalid because you didn't have scans. I believed you, Fan believed you.

We didn't say that Phoenix couldn't beat Thor, just that Thor has in the past beaten it. The one being true doesn't make the other false.

Like I said the Phoenix taking down Thor is only dramatic from a story perspective because it's something that could have gone either way.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-02, 10:45 PM
No one was saying that what you posted was invalid because you didn't have scans. I believed you, Fan believed you.

We didn't say that Phoenix couldn't beat Thor, just that Thor has in the past beaten it. The one being true doesn't make the other false.

Like I said the Phoenix taking down Thor is only dramatic from a story perspective because it's something that could have gone either way.

Fan didn't. He accused me of editing the Wiki to be deceptive. That was the source of my anger.

But enough of that. I'd like a clarification. Would Thor VS Phoenix (Jean Grey) be different from Thor VS The Phoenix Force?

Fan
2012-07-02, 10:49 PM
Fan didn't. He accused me of editing the Wiki to be deceptive. That was the source of my anger.

But enough of that. I'd like a clarification. Would Thor VS Phoenix (Jean Grey) be different from Thor VS The Phoenix Force?

I said anybody could've edited that page, I could have, you could have. It wasn't a targeted insult as you seem to perceive everything posted by me.

Phoenix Force is different as it's capable of causing a Big Crunch (Universe ender), and would require Rune King Thor to fight, otherwise the Phoenix Force wins.

DiscipleofBob
2012-07-02, 10:50 PM
I said anybody could've edited that page, I could have, you could have. It wasn't a targeted insult as you seem to perceive everything posted by me.

Phoenix Force is different as it's capable of causing a Big Crunch (Universe ender), and would require Rune King Thor to fight, otherwise the Phoenix Force wins.

Well, contradiction solved. It was the Phoenix Force that beat Thor before it came to Earth (or rather, the portion of the moon they were fighting on).

lord_khaine
2012-07-03, 04:02 AM
Phoenix Force is different as it's capable of causing a Big Crunch (Universe ender), and would require Rune King Thor to fight, otherwise the Phoenix Force wins.

Rune King Thor is from that storyline where Ragnarok finaly happend and (allmost) all the Asgardians died?

Fan
2012-07-03, 04:12 AM
Rune King Thor is from that storyline where Ragnarok finaly happend and (allmost) all the Asgardians died?

Rune King Thor is the guy who went farther than Odin did to obtain his precognition, having hung for longer from the World tree, and generally been more extreme in his sacrifices. His power is statedly multiple times Odins own, and he has the ability to stop time completely, and act within it:

I believe it was the Reigning series of comic books that he was featured in, the scans for this are VERY hard to come by as most stores don't even carry the comic.

Traab
2012-07-03, 07:17 AM
Because people seem to think that one of instances aren't valid. *shrug* I can't blame them because those kinds of things can get pretty silly.

As for the story's? Thor Annual's, Journey into Mystery #8, Thor #300, Thor Vol. 3 #4, Journey into Mystery #85 -#86.

You're welcome to read them all. *shrug*

Actually, that makes damn good sense to me. As has been stated before, there is so much pendulum swinging when it comes to relative power levels in a comic characters career, that a single instance is rarely good enough to go, "See? I told you so!" because there are just so many spin offs, alt universes, what ifs, dream sequences, secret clones, hidden cyborg copies, or super skrull knock offs, and other such things that negate those single instances as to make them dubious. But when you can show several instances of the same, or similar action, taking place, then you have a reasonable measuring stick. It especially helps when said instances take place at different time frames. Meaning, sure you could post 5 pictures of thor tying the midgard serpent into a slip knot and being flung into the sun, but if its all from the same issue.....yeah.

But even then, it helps to make sure you arent posting a scan where one of those, "oops, never mind" events is taking place to invalidate it.

Fan
2012-07-03, 07:43 AM
Actually, that makes damn good sense to me. As has been stated before, there is so much pendulum swinging when it comes to relative power levels in a comic characters career, that a single instance is rarely good enough to go, "See? I told you so!" because there are just so many spin offs, alt universes, what ifs, dream sequences, secret clones, hidden cyborg copies, or super skrull knock offs, and other such things that negate those single instances as to make them dubious. But when you can show several instances of the same, or similar action, taking place, then you have a reasonable measuring stick. It especially helps when said instances take place at different time frames. Meaning, sure you could post 5 pictures of thor tying the midgard serpent into a slip knot and being flung into the sun, but if its all from the same issue.....yeah.

But even then, it helps to make sure you arent posting a scan where one of those, "oops, never mind" events is taking place to invalidate it.

And that's the entire reason why I post so many scans, so it can't be from just a "one of" story line or anything like that because things like that DO happen, the Marvel "What if's" are quite popular, and get slung around by fantards all the time as canon.

You have to be sure, and one of events aren't really all that great to take into account anyways. I generally wont post something unless I have 2-3 things to back it up.

Hiro Protagonest
2012-07-03, 04:16 PM
I has hulk scans. (http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/incrediblefeats.html)

Notable ones:

Able to pull through Vector's blast and only take a minute or two to fully regenerate.
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/ufoesskinhealth1.jpg
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/ufoesskinhealth2.jpg
'Nother regeneration one
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/wolverinehealth.jpg
Surviving, no, quickly shrugging off, 50,000 volts, while transforming back to Banner (sorry the picture's a little small, the page for the full-sized one is showing a 404 error)
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/medelectricityresistance.jpg
Manages to nearly reach orbit, and survives the fall back down.
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/orbitleaping.jpg
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/reentryresistance.jpg
With the help of an anti-magnetic jetpack, flies into orbit and destroys an asteroid twice the size of Earth.
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/asteroidstrength.jpg
Cracks Onslaught's armor (http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/onslaughtarmorstrength.html). The only other person to do this has been Thor. Direct link to the page since the second picture isn't working.

If Planet Hulk counts, Hulk can stop a planet from breaking apart by holding tectonic plates together.
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/planetsplit.jpg
Survives a direct hit from a nuclear bomb in an attempt by the government to stop his fights with Thor.
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/nukeresistance.jpg
I don't actually read Marvel comics, so I don't know what Thor's done, but I wanted to make sure that Hulk got some of his feats shown.

Fan
2012-07-03, 05:52 PM
I consider Exitar the Exterminator a higher class feat than Onslaught.

If only because the shockwave from the blow was enough to shift the planet.

That, and, Celestials.

However it's generally given that Thor and The Savage Hulk are equals in strength in all cases but World War Hulk, but Thor was "dead" for that so we didn't get any resolution in that either. >_<


Though that space jump scan does mean Thor could smack him into the sun and he wouldn't be able to stop himself.

Also Hulk is empowered by Gamma Radiation, and that doesn't do ANYTHING to Hulk.

Bitter
2012-07-08, 07:31 AM
You know, this isn't like Green Lantern vs Quasar or Spider-man vs Batman. The characters exist in the same universe and have fought each other.

Either one could win, considering they've fought each other before and both have won on different occasions. I think off-hand the balance of the fights wins in the Hulk's favour, but Thor's done pretty well on occasion too.



And that's the entire reason why I post so many scans, so it can't be from just a "one of" story line or anything like that because things like that DO happen, the Marvel "What if's" are quite popular, and get slung around by fantards all the time as canon.


Haha, this is funny because the image you bring up of Thor snapping Sentry's neck is from "What if the Skrulls succeeded in their Secret Invasion?"

Devonix
2012-07-08, 08:11 AM
In the main marvel universe, aka not counting alternate timelines alternate universes or other such things, they have fought 29 times with each only winning a definitive fight two times each.

so currently they are tied.

Though I still say that Thor with his powerset should be able to beat him more handidly.

Bitter
2012-07-08, 09:25 AM
It depends on what you say doesn't count, like the time Hulk fought Thor and Thor didn't use his hammer because Hulk didn't want him to and Thor is honourable. Thor got his ass handed to him, but maybe you wouldn't think that would count because Thor purposely hobbled himself. Then again, maybe you think it does because Thor could have brought Mjolnir and fought normally if he wanted to.

Devonix
2012-07-08, 09:54 AM
It depends on what you say doesn't count, like the time Hulk fought Thor and Thor didn't use his hammer because Hulk didn't want him to and Thor is honourable. Thor got his ass handed to him, but maybe you wouldn't think that would count because Thor purposely hobbled himself. Then again, maybe you think it does because Thor could have brought Mjolnir and fought normally if he wanted to.

I don't understand the post. was that in response to mine? I never said any of the fights didn't count, just that there were very few with a winner one way or another. Most of them get interrupted by something, or they end the fight prematurely and start walloping the badguy. The two a piece are times they fought by themselves with no interruption and a clear victor.

Bitter
2012-07-08, 06:37 PM
I don't understand the post. was that in response to mine? I never said any of the fights didn't count, just that there were very few with a winner one way or another. Most of them get interrupted by something, or they end the fight prematurely and start walloping the badguy. The two a piece are times they fought by themselves with no interruption and a clear victor.

I'd say Hulk's got 2 victories in his 2001 annual alone, which is basically just a series of Thor fights (Thor gets a win in that issue too as they clash a few times).

You can say that they have two victories each, but you can't just say that you're only going by 'clear and decisive' victories because what counts as clear and decisive is going to differ for each person. You need to explicitly say what counts as a victory and what doesn't.

Devonix
2012-07-08, 06:54 PM
I'd say Hulk's got 2 victories in his 2001 annual alone, which is basically just a series of Thor fights (Thor gets a win in that issue too as they clash a few times).

You can say that they have two victories each, but you can't just say that you're only going by 'clear and decisive' victories because what counts as clear and decisive is going to differ for each person. You need to explicitly say what counts as a victory and what doesn't.

That was a back and forth battle with a weaker version of Thor that wasn't even Bullet proof at the time. You might call it a win where Hulk drops a mountain on Thor, but Thor digs himself out under his own power and is never actually unconsious.

Bitter
2012-07-08, 08:34 PM
That was a back and forth battle with a weaker version of Thor that wasn't even Bullet proof at the time. You might call it a win where Hulk drops a mountain on Thor, but Thor digs himself out under his own power and is never actually unconsious.

It isn't stated if he's unconscious or not. All we know is there is a huge ass mountain on top of him and Hulk wander out because Thor is trapped under there for a while before he manages to dig himself out. Maybe he was KOed, maybe he wasn't strong enough to escape without a lot of effort. Either one I would count as a win for Hulk.

Later in the issue Thor KO's Hulk. After that Hulk comes back and gives Thor a complete beatdown, making him go a little crazy.

Devonix
2012-07-08, 09:19 PM
It isn't stated if he's unconscious or not. All we know is there is a huge ass mountain on top of him and Hulk wander out because Thor is trapped under there for a while before he manages to dig himself out. Maybe he was KOed, maybe he wasn't strong enough to escape without a lot of effort. Either one I would count as a win for Hulk.

Later in the issue Thor KO's Hulk. After that Hulk comes back and gives Thor a complete beatdown, making him go a little crazy.

I'd call that all one fight leaning in the hulk's favor. but anyway I usually say that Hulk has the edge in strength but thor has the edge in power.