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Hopeless
2012-09-05, 06:40 AM
DND 3 Book Of Vile Darkness (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dungeons-Dragons-DVD-Meagan-Goode/dp/B008GFZX0I/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1346844967&sr=8-15)

After watching the trailer I am very hesitant about watching this and was wondering if anyone has actually seen this?

I actually liked the second one but thought the first one was very weak and not just because of having beholders as guard dogs or a rogue who doesn't know what he can do nor that jumping off the top means taking less damage than letting a fighter beat the living daylights out of you before you take the jump anyway...

So... has this been shown on Scy Fi?
Or is it so bad they won't show it?

Hopeless
2012-09-05, 07:06 AM
Interesting can't find this on the Amazon site but its listed on the Amazon UK site... makes you wonder doesn't it?!:smalleek:

Aotrs Commander
2012-09-06, 07:14 AM
Wiki seems to say it's only this far being released on DVD in the UK. Amazon.co.uk suggests a 17th of September release.

Colour me generally unimpressed. D&D 1 was... on the same level as Hawk the Slayer, but for different reasons (and it could have been slightly better if they'd left in all the cut scenes). D&D 2 actually felt more like a D&D movie, but was still fairly forgettable.

So I'm not holding out much hope, except maybe that it's bad enough fodder for FilmBrain or Phelous or Mike J or someone on TGWTG.

I mean, there is a chance that it'll actually be good, but I'm honestly not banking on it.

*watches trailer*

No. No, I totally wrong on that point. That looks absolutely dreadful. And I mean, on top of it looking like a pretty awful movie, it has appalling aethetic design.

And again, strongly looking like it's missing the whole "adventuring party" motief that's, y'know, kinda most central to D&D, like period.

Also... is that guy with the face plate supposed to be the advertised mind-flayer...? Because... just... NO.

pffh
2012-09-06, 07:57 AM
The only good D&D movie is Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising.

Nameless
2012-09-06, 10:02 AM
"The classic saga returns."

I'm sorry, but at what point in last 12 years did these films become classics?

Calemyr
2012-09-06, 10:18 AM
The only good D&D movie is Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising.

"How much experience do I get for the farmer?"

Pokonic
2012-09-06, 04:48 PM
"The classic saga returns."

I'm sorry, but at what point in last 12 years did these films become classics?

The same time Twilight became a childrens classic in fine literature, which actualy means that that claim is so full of bull it forms a pile so high you could touch the clouds if you dared to scale it.

The Glyphstone
2012-09-06, 06:03 PM
The same time Twilight became a childrens classic in fine literature, which actualy means that that claim is so full of bull it forms a pile so high you could touch the clouds if you dared to scale it.

1000 years from now, Future Archeologists will unearth a present-day library filled with remnants and fragments of ancient texts. One will be enshrined as an example of 21st-century religion, the cover of a book displaying two hands cupping an apple (a clear symbol of growth and rebirth) with the title Twilight (obviously the religion's word for death, so it must have been a sun-worshipping cult where darkness was equated with endings or eternity).

Pokonic
2012-09-06, 06:32 PM
1000 years from now, Future Archeologists will unearth a present-day library filled with remnants and fragments of ancient texts. One will be enshrined as an example of 21st-century religion, the cover of a book displaying two hands cupping an apple (a clear symbol of growth and rebirth) with the title Twilight (obviously the religion's word for death, so it must have been a sun-worshipping cult where darkness was equated with endings or eternity).

Would what little remains of the off-hand remarks about a 'Black Family" and "Cullins" be tied to nacient darkness-cults with aspects of nature worship and a force of removal and death respectivly?

I wonder how they will think of the hefty Seven-book account of increadbly powerful humans who hide from the general population, being mostly isolationist and were noted to be feared by mankind in ages past, who's accounts of fighting and warfare with dreadful items and abilities are now seen as the bodies of myths and stories from the pre-biometal times? After all, it does carry some similarity to the "Twilight" texts, seeing as each text presumably focuses on a single time period, with a name indicating a main center tale. It is currantly belived that the sixth book, for example, contains the story of a demigod who eventualy sets up the events for the final myth ark, in which the forces of darkness are triumped over in the final battle against good and evil.

Also related to that main body is that of the "D-Files", which seems to be a sort of folk tale colection, bearing little relation to the main myths yet seemingly sharing at least one figure, who varies in power and abilites between the two works greatly.

Amusingly related to this topic, the first thread I ever made on these forums (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180873)was about a cryptic remark about a "Book of Vile Darkness" movie. Ah, how horrible my grammer was.

Rockphed
2012-09-06, 07:50 PM
Why are the worlds we posit for future archeologists to find always more interesting than the world we actually live in?

Rake21
2012-09-06, 08:54 PM
Oh... oh wow that looks awful.

It's so bad that it might have actually passed as a parody if it wasn't for thefact that they're trying.

There's a reason SyFy has delayed it's release for so long... and I think it's because D&D3 is a holocaust of film even by their standards.

Sanguine
2012-09-06, 09:39 PM
I wonder how they will think of the hefty Seven-book account of increadbly powerful humans who hide from the general population, being mostly isolationist and were noted to be feared by mankind in ages past, who's accounts of fighting and warfare with dreadful items and abilities are now seen as the bodies of myths and stories from the pre-biometal times? After all, it does carry some similarity to the "Twilight" texts, seeing as each text presumably focuses on a single time period, with a name indicating a main center tale. It is currantly belived that the sixth book, for example, contains the story of a demigod who eventualy sets up the events for the final myth ark, in which the forces of darkness are triumped over in the final battle against good and evil.

I feel stupid for having to ask, but which series is this?

Empedocles
2012-09-06, 09:52 PM
I feel stupid for having to ask, but which series is this?

I want to say Harry Potter.....but I don't feel like that's right.

Pokonic
2012-09-06, 09:53 PM
I feel stupid for having to ask, but which series is this?


I want to say Harry Potter.....but I don't feel like that's right.

Harry Potter, yep yep.

Hiro Protagonest
2012-09-06, 10:15 PM
I want to say Harry Potter.....but I don't feel like that's right.

Aaaaand I checked the little "topic review" thing and noticed I was ninja'd.

If they're particularly lucky, the archaeologists might even find some books detailing the myths of the Great Old Ones, who will return to devour the world.

Gnomish Wanderer
2012-09-06, 11:21 PM
I have seen the trailer [earlier today, actually] and I think the movie looks good, certainly at least on par with the quality that Syfy produces if not better.

Yeah, maybe I just love the longshots? But seriously, I am excited to watch that movie...

Hopeless
2012-09-07, 05:49 AM
I have seen the trailer [earlier today, actually] and I think the movie looks good, certainly at least on par with the quality that Syfy produces if not better.

Yeah, maybe I just love the longshots? But seriously, I am excited to watch that movie...

Really? The trailers for their movies are THAT bad?!:smalleek:

Nameless
2012-09-07, 06:20 AM
The same time Twilight became a childrens classic in fine literature, which actualy means that that claim is so full of bull it forms a pile so high you could touch the clouds if you dared to scale it.

http://i.imgur.com/b5xPJ.png

If you listen carefully, you can just about hear Frank Herbert turning in his grave.

Senator Cybus
2012-09-07, 06:08 PM
Inspired by this thread, I have embarked on a bold experiment: I've now purchased this film, sight unseen (from Play, mind - three quid cheaper than Amazon).

I will not watch the trailer before it arrives, nor will I wiki any details about it; I shall watch it unspoiled, the better to let the epicness/craptitude enthrall me.

(However, I did notice while buying it that, rather encouragingly for a fan of wonky cinema, it stars absolutely no-one that I have ever heard of.)

Expect a full review - whether you want it or not - in due course.


This is gonna be awesome/horrifying! :smallbiggrin:

Aotrs Commander
2012-09-07, 06:43 PM
Inspired by this thread, I have embarked on a bold experiment: I've now purchased this film, sight unseen (from Play, mind - three quid cheaper than Amazon).

I will not watch the trailer before it arrives, nor will I wiki any details about it; I shall watch it unspoiled, the better to let the epicness/craptitude enthrall me.

(However, I did notice while buying it that, rather encouragingly for a fan of wonky cinema, it stars absolutely no-one that I have ever heard of.)

Expect a full review - whether you want it or not - in due course.


This is gonna be awesome/horrifying! :smallbiggrin:

Well done, that chimera! Way to (very likely) take one for the team!

Senator Cybus
2012-09-07, 08:51 PM
Well done, that chimera! Way to (very likely) take one for the team!

Hurrah for the spirit of adventure! Hurrah for shockingly poor impulse control/booze/mostly booze! :smallbiggrin:

Hopeless
2012-09-12, 04:15 PM
Clip fromthe movie (http://www.blinkbox.com/Movies/46892/Dungeons-Dragons-The-Book-of-Vile-Darkness)

Found this in my search for a review of whether this movie is really that bad that even Scy fi wouldn't want to show it on their channel...

I actually thought it was fine, now had they used that for the trailer there would have been less complaints, not no complaints just less.

If this is 4e someone tell the fighter your job is to stay out of the way of the flying reptile and then charge it as it lands and take the wings out so it can't fly away it also helps if you're fire resistant... i said fire resistant not wearing demon armour!

Hey isn't that a warlock? Nice at least one of them has their head on straight!

Ooh the blue skinned half giant is going to give the dragon his spear of lightning... good for him now fighter take notice that is how you should be doing this no greatsword have two one handed weapons and have one also be a ranged weapon of mass destruction!

Almost tempts me to buy it! Well almost!

JoshL
2012-09-12, 10:25 PM
Not watching the trailer, as that I know the DVD will end up in my collection. The first is such an amusingly bad movie...the only actually redeeming factor was Jeremy Irons realizing it was a crap film and hamming it up to 11! Still, the movie cracks me up every time.

The second is low-budgety and they definitely could have used another couple passes on the dialogue, but not only did it feel like D&D, it benefited from not being the first. My girlfriend has a much lesser tolerance for low-budget, so she had a hard time sitting through it (and little taste for bad movies, so she can't stomach the first at all).

So yeah, neither good movies, but I enjoy them both for different reasons. I totally get people who don't enjoy them. I've been waiting for the new one for ages. If it's passable, I'll enjoy watching it. If it's terrible, I'll probably still enjoy watching it. And, hey, naming it Book of Vile Darkness already ties it into D&D lore way more than the first ever was...

And the Gamers, of course, rocks. Can't wait for 3! In a different direction, I'd recommend The Wild Hunt (drama/horror about a LARP gone wrong)...also pretty low-budget/indie, but really good. You see the end coming from a mile away and it's STILL intense. I dig that.

An Enemy Spy
2012-09-15, 12:24 AM
"The third installment of the internationally renowned epic fantasy series."

Unless this is Return of the King accidently given the wrong cover on the website, I have no idea what series they mean by this.

The Glyphstone
2012-09-15, 10:03 AM
"The third installment of the internationally renowned epic fantasy series."

Unless this is Return of the King accidently given the wrong cover on the website, I have no idea what series they mean by this.

Djibouti and Liechtenstein are countries too, you know.:smallcool: There are a lot of countries out there, all it takes for that to be true is for the movies to be renowned in at least two of them.

Iku Rex
2012-09-16, 03:30 PM
I've seen it, and I thought it was pretty decent. I don't regret watching it.

Eldan
2012-09-16, 03:45 PM
Djibouti and Liechtenstein are countries too, you know.:smallcool: There are a lot of countries out there, all it takes for that to be true is for the movies to be renowned in at least two of them.

Hey now. On behalf of our semi-attached neighbour country, I should be offended by that! :smallwink:

Hiro Protagonest
2012-09-16, 07:09 PM
"The third installment of the internationally renowned epic fantasy series."

Unless this is Return of the King accidently given the wrong cover on the website, I have no idea what series they mean by this.

"Internationally" just means it has to be known in at least two countries. "Renowned" doesn't say why it's renowned.

The Glyphstone
2012-09-16, 07:32 PM
Hey now. On behalf of our semi-attached neighbour country, I should be offended by that! :smallwink:

I is confused by your comment and your listed location of Sydney.

pffh
2012-09-16, 08:36 PM
I is confused by your comment and your listed location of Sydney.

They move Liechtenstein down south for the winter.

The Glyphstone
2012-09-16, 08:59 PM
They move Liechtenstein down south for the winter.

Well, it's small enough that I guess they can carry it. Or maybe the Leichtensteiners all just divvy it up between them in their luggage, fly to Australia, and reassemble it there.

Ravens_cry
2012-09-16, 09:23 PM
Well, it's small enough that I guess they can carry it. Or maybe the Leichtensteiners all just divvy it up between them in their luggage, fly to Australia, and reassemble it there.
So, all two of them?

An Enemy Spy
2012-09-17, 09:23 PM
So, all two of them?

Well they're pretty rich. They can hire the population of Andorra. It's not like he has anything else to do.

Logic
2012-09-17, 11:43 PM
The trailer looks more than just godawful, it looks like a tragically bad waste of film.

I say this, and hope to be wrong: There will never be a commercially successful Dungeons and Dragons movie, let alone a good one.

Hopeless
2012-09-18, 12:47 AM
I've seen it, and I thought it was pretty decent. I don't regret watching it.

Do you mean Dungeons & Dragons the Book of Vile Darkness or one of the previous movies?

Iku Rex
2012-09-18, 07:15 AM
Do you mean Dungeons & Dragons the Book of Vile Darkness or one of the previous movies?
Book Of Vile Darkness.

Hopeless
2012-09-18, 10:18 AM
Book Of Vile Darkness.

Ok its for sale over here in the Uk for slightly more than what was listed on Amazon UK, this is in Tesco haven't bothered looking for it elsewhere since I'm looking to get a new pair of glasses which is of somewhat greater importance than a dvd which seems to be so bad even the Scy Fi channel has refused to air it on their channel:smalleek:

EccentricCircle
2012-10-06, 06:46 AM
Right; Dungeons and Dragons 3: the Book of Vile Darkness
A review.

Special Effects: 5/ 10
Plot: 1/ 10
Pacing: 1/10
Characterisation: 3/10
D&D canon: 9/10
Overall 3/10

I wouldn't advise that anyone spend much money on it. In my opinion this film was actually worse than the first one, and thatís not even supposed to be possible! Itís not even bad in a funny way

The basic premise is that a paladin has to go under cover in an evil adventuring party in order to track down the people who wiped out his order and abducted his father. Thatís not a bad idea in and of itself, but the way they do it feels very contrived. Itís never quite clear until the end how the evil partyís quest is going to help him do this at all. Throw in far too much gore and gratuitous sex and violence and you get a movie thatís frankly cringe worthy. The characters are one dimensional, and badly acted, the plot is incoherent at best and absent at worst. They've taken as many of the gross and unpleasant aspects of the game as they could find (many straight from the Book of Vile Darkness; Itself a sourcebook that you kind of need brain bleach after reading) and cobbled them together into an attempt at a story. I'm not saying that games like that aren't played all the time with bad DMs. I'm sure they are. But itís not really entertaining to watch and I think itís a very bad advertisement for the game as a whole. If the expression of D&D you can buy in Tesco is a rubbish movie then thatís not going to encourage people to give the game a try, and it will definitely give an unrepresentative image of the tastes and interests of people like us who do like the game.
In the past our gaming group has adapted both the 1st and 2nd D&D movies into games, in an attempt to see if we can do a better job of the quest than the heroes and have a good laugh at the ridiculousness of the plot. In this case the lack of a heroic adventuring party makes that nearly impossible. The villainous party are too tied into the evil thatís going on to be portrayed by player characters, so even an ďevil gameĒ is largely out. The film has one hero and so is unsuited to what is ultimately a collaborative game.
On the up side the first movie in the series was often criticised for not really being recognisably a D&D world. The makers of this film had clearly tried to not fall into the same trap. I would guess that theyíve read the 4th edition Players handbooks and possibly one or two others. And a lot of the material is drawn from the Book of Vile Darkness. (the film is credited as ďbased on the book by Monte Cook and Robert J. SchwalbĒ which is odd as Cook wrote the 3rd edition book and Schwalb wrote the 4th ed one. but neither seems to have been involved in both.) The main character visits a shop called the Adventurerís Vault. Pelor is worshiped by his order of paladins and the party includes a Shadar Kai Warlock and a Golliath barbarian.
They clearly know how all of these elements are meant to fit into the game world. And the action sequences kind of look like 4th ed combat with characters using powers and manoeuvres. However I feel that the lack of an engaging story, good acting or interesting characters is something which no amount of truth to the source material can correct. (Iíll admit that it doesnít help that they went with a lot of the gross and unpleasant source material which doesnít usually get used in my games.)
The D&D game is a set of rules designed to help people tell entertaining stories. Almost any experienced DM can and regularly does do a better job. And there are literally hundreds of D&D stories out there that they could have adapted, whether from Books, Comics, Computer games or Adventure Modules. In other words the DM's guide would have told them how to write an entertaining D&D story. They had no excuse.

Riverdance
2012-10-06, 07:19 PM
Initial Thoughts: "There's a DnD Movie?"


The only good D&D movie is Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising.

Seconded. You may notice that the DnD 3 Trailer appears to shamelessly rip off the opening sequence of Dorkness Rising with all the flames in darkness during the credits.

JoshL
2012-10-07, 10:18 PM
Just watched it. I enjoyed it. Not a good movie by a long stretch, but as a fantasy film junkie, I can see myself watching it again. On par with the 2nd, for what that's worth. I did like the evil adventure party perspective, though some of the characters definitely fell prey to Evil at the cost of character development and common sense.

Still, magic, swordplay, monsters, dragons, pretty much all that I was looking for in a movie like this. I liked it, will watch it again (maybe even back to back with number 2)...but it's not a good movie by any standard.