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jami
2006-12-05, 04:46 PM
Giant sword haters get ready! A great deal of the weapons in Erfworld will appear to be quite large for the people wielding them. This is a visual choice on my part because frankly, oversized weapons amuse me greatly.

Actually, some of the larger items will make sense in the context of the story. And the others are just because I like drawing gigantic things!

So I guess here's a place where you can make fun of me for drawing giant props (is he making up for something) or you can make suggestions for future things that I can sneak in (man, I'd like to see a gigantic paper clip).

Zaria
2006-12-05, 05:11 PM
Will there be a giant hat? Perchance with a giant feather? I do so love those hats...

ElfLad
2006-12-05, 05:17 PM
Will there be a Giant in the Playground? *ba-dum pssssh*

Giant shuriken. Definitely.

squeakyreaper
2006-12-05, 05:33 PM
Nice one, ElfLad.

There needs to be a high horse that some annoyingly... Arragont character rides on. By high horse, I mean a giant horse. Get the picture?

TinSoldier
2006-12-05, 05:39 PM
I think you should have a giant shrimp at some point...

Mr Wizard
2006-12-05, 05:47 PM
I love Giant Swords.:smallwink:

Daedrous Avari
2006-12-05, 05:48 PM
I'm the master of giant swords.

dwagiebard
2006-12-05, 07:46 PM
The only problem I have with giant swords is that the characters can't possibly lift them.

Schifter
2006-12-05, 08:44 PM
Speaking of giant swords - does anyone else see the resemblence to Cloud Strife from the FF/ game. -- Not that it's important - giant sword are still funny

Most of the time

Flabbicus
2006-12-05, 08:48 PM
The only problem I have with giant swords is that the characters can't possibly lift them.

Easy, they're made of styrofoam.

Samiam303
2006-12-05, 08:53 PM
Woo! More people with huge swords! :biggrin:

fwiffo
2006-12-05, 08:56 PM
Of course, there is a rather persuasive theory that people with oversized swords are compensating for their other... shortcomings.

Mr Wizard
2006-12-05, 09:02 PM
Yay Freud!

SPoD
2006-12-05, 09:14 PM
The only problem I have with giant swords is that the characters can't possibly lift them.

I will never understand why people can accept characters who shoot fire out of their hands, or flying dragons that weigh in excess of 5000 lbs., but can't accept disproportionately large weapons. Especially given that the very HEADS of the characters are disproportionate in the first place. Why are some laws of physics apparently so sacrosanct that you can't get past any violation of them, while others can be bent at will?

News flash: It's an art style!

Shhalahr Windrider
2006-12-05, 09:25 PM
Of course, there is a rather persuasive theory that people with oversized swords are compensating for their other... shortcomings.
Yeah, like public speaking. :biggrin:

TinSoldier
2006-12-05, 10:23 PM
Of course, there is a rather persuasive theory that people with oversized swords are compensating for their other... shortcomings.Umm. She's a female.

Shhalahr Windrider
2006-12-05, 10:32 PM
Doesn't mean she's any good at public speaking.

storybookknight
2006-12-05, 11:23 PM
I'd like to see, um, a spoon that is just way too big?

dragon95046
2006-12-06, 12:01 AM
I will never understand why people can accept characters who shoot fire out of their hands, or flying dragons that weigh in excess of 5000 lbs., but can't accept disproportionately large weapons. Especially given that the very HEADS of the characters are disproportionate in the first place. Why are some laws of physics apparently so sacrosanct that you can't get past any violation of them, while others can be bent at will?

News flash: It's an art style!

I'll never understand why someone can't accept someone else not liking something. I've never really liked the big sword thing, either, but, hey, to each their own.

Lord Herman
2006-12-06, 02:28 AM
I've always chuckled at the idea of a dagger so big, it deals bludgeoning damage.

And gargantuan creatures taking rogue levels. Sneak attack!

WhiteHarness
2006-12-06, 03:46 AM
This is my obligatory poking-fun-at-ridiculously-oversized-swords post.

Y'know...

It isn't the "unrealism" of it that bothers me most about it; it's the homage to Japanese animation. The big sword fetish started in anime (Berserk?) and hit the big time with that terrible Final Fantasy VII. Why must absolutely everything reek of anime influence nowadays? Fifteen years or so ago, it was fresh, new, edgy...

But now...it's so pervasive that it's become unoriginal. So far, Erfworld appears to me to be yet another in a long line of forgettable, cutesy, lackluster, anime-influenced comics.

I love Order of the Stick, and will continue to follow it as long as it runs, but I will ignore Erfworld. Can't we have something innovative instead?

charles
2006-12-06, 03:59 AM
Hell, I think the sword's too small. If I'm looking for "funny big" I want the whole "pull a giant hammer thats bigger than you, out from behind your back and Whack 'em" kind of weapony.

Is the current thing she's carrying just her pocket knife?

charles
2006-12-06, 04:08 AM
On a side note...

Does the sword have a name?

"Big Bad-ass Blade"
"RAXIS"
"Circumsizer"
"Jeremey"

battleburn
2006-12-06, 04:35 AM
Ooooh!!, I know.
Giant Sword chucks

Disclaimer:
I do not claim to have come up with Sword chucks or anything related to them. www.nuklearpower.com is where I first saw the concept.

Sword chucks rule

greenb
2006-12-06, 07:43 AM
Hrmm, ridiculously oversized equipment...
I never liked anime. I never played FF. I don't eat sushi. In short, I'm not really into all that Asian stuff. But! As long as it's not done purely to reference some anime character, I really like these giant thingies. There's a certain something to them... maybe the Erfworld cast page puts it best: hack-slash-carve-stabbity-chopchop. :smallbiggrin: It is clear what swords like that are there for, and this is not cutting bread.

The Giant
2006-12-06, 08:59 AM
I think, frankly, that fans of a crappy stick figure comic ought to think long and hard about dismissing a comic based on its art style without reading a single word of dialogue. Because if you believe that the art style of a given comic cannot possibly be saved by the dialogue and/or story, why on earth are you reading The Order of the Stick??

(Although I love the art personally, I'm just saying.)

ElfLad
2006-12-06, 09:22 AM
Giant, you make an awesome comic and all, but you have dark secrets (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0308.html) hidden in your work. Look at that and tell me that the sword isn't about the same size as Roy. That is, of course, only if you're willing to spew hateful lies.

Obviously your once-original piece of work has become a derivative anime rip-off and it's in my best interests to stop reading before Elan goes Super Saiyan and Haley becomes renamed Sailor Alpha Centauri.

Good day, sir.

Ikkitosen
2006-12-06, 09:43 AM
I'd like to see how big the toy/artifact hammer is compared to the characters personally...

Saithis Bladewing
2006-12-06, 09:50 AM
Giant, you make an awesome comic and all, but you have dark secrets (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0308.html) hidden in your work. Look at that and tell me that the sword isn't about the same size as Roy. That is, of course, only if you're willing to spew hateful lies.

Obviously your once-original piece of work has become a derivative anime rip-off and it's in my best interests to stop reading before Elan goes Super Saiyan and Haley becomes renamed Sailor Alpha Centauri.

Good day, sir.


*Smacks you for sarcasm.*

Anyway, I'm really not sure why people are jumping to dismiss the comic just because of the size of a character's sword. It's become a part of culture, I honestly don't know what it is with people and such raving hatred. Personally, I'm fine with the art style and the size of the sword and I've got no problems about giving it a try. Honestly, I'm not sure why you guys won't even give it a try. You're just going to dismiss it over a part of the art? Very sad...very sad...

Aliquid
2006-12-06, 09:55 AM
People keep talking about not being able to lift the sword.... what about pulling it out of the scabbard?

The character's arm isn't long enough to actually remove the sword from the scabbard unless she takes it off and places it on the ground.

jami
2006-12-06, 10:20 AM
Well, it is a fantasy world. I mean, I've never seen a really real life dragon ever. So if the physics are a bit, well, fanciful...

Ikkitosen
2006-12-06, 12:41 PM
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves; Alan Rickman thows the scabbard of Rob's Dad's bastard sword and to the ground in a dramatic manner. You could "draw" a massive sword in this manner. Plus anything Alan Rickman does is cool. So be quiet :smallwink:

Om
2006-12-06, 12:44 PM
The only problem I have with giant swords is that the characters can't possibly lift them.That and the fact that they look stupid.

Of course if this is in turn a joke, see the "oversized weapons" reference on the cast page, then all is good.

Colt
2006-12-06, 03:02 PM
I vote for an oversized phillips screwdriver making an appearance..

Rex Idiotarum
2006-12-06, 03:12 PM
A Bard with a Giant Kazoo

Zaria
2006-12-06, 03:14 PM
So, do all vengeful bunnies that wreak havoc stem from Monty Python and The Holy Grail, and does that make rabbits biting heads off less funny?

Naw, it still makes me giggle.

inky13112
2006-12-06, 06:36 PM
On a side note...

Does the sword have a name?

"Big Bad-ass Blade"
"RAXIS"
"Circumsizer"
"Jeremey"
:smalleek: Circumsizer?!
I think it would do a bit more than that. And if I ever meet a girl with a sword that big called "circumsizer" I'm running.

On another note how about a giant cow? Simply because cows are inherently funny (as shown by The Farside an 80's one panel comic for those who don't know) and also because I like cows.

P.S. Squirrels are cool too.

LordOfNarf
2006-12-06, 08:50 PM
If this is the place to mock your drawing skills, then I will take the time to comment that the large head:body ratio is a little offsetting to me. It makes the characters look infantile, but that may be the point, sine there seem to be gobwins and dwagons instaed of the more traditional Goblins and Dragons, so, meh.

I reserve the right to like or hate the comic until after it has premired and I have seen more of it.

blackout
2006-12-06, 09:15 PM
Bah, Crom laughs at your overgrown weapons!

Reinforcements
2006-12-06, 09:17 PM
You know, as much as the Japanese influence might be reaching a level of annoying ubiquity in American media nowadays, you're no less stupid than the frothing otaku when you look at a comic, cartoon, or video game and go, "Cel-shading?" "Big eyes?" "Ridiculous weapons?" or "<insert anime stylistic thing here>" I BET IT SUCKS!

<-- Loves big swords.

jami
2006-12-06, 09:54 PM
If this is the place to mock your drawing skills, then I will take the time to comment that the large head:body ratio is a little offsetting to me. It makes the characters look infantile, but that may be the point, sine there seem to be gobwins and dwagons instaed of the more traditional Goblins and Dragons, so, meh.

I reserve the right to like or hate the comic until after it has premired and I have seen more of it.

Oh, yes, this is definitely the place. I welcome constructive criticism from everyone.

AmberVael
2006-12-06, 10:17 PM
I have to agree with Rich. Why on earth are we of all people criticising someone's comic based on its art?


If this is the place to mock your drawing skills, then I will take the time to comment that the large head:body ratio is a little offsetting to me. It makes the characters look infantile, but that may be the point, sine there seem to be gobwins and dwagons instaed of the more traditional Goblins and Dragons, so, meh.

I reserve the right to like or hate the comic until after it has premired and I have seen more of it.
Oh, and you go aheard and reserve the right to like or hate his comic. His characters wielding massive swords will get to reserve the right to hate or like you. :smallwink: :smallbiggrin:

V: I should hope most people would say that.

Aliquid
2006-12-06, 10:18 PM
Oh, yes, this is definitely the place. I welcome constructive criticism from everyone.I think the vast majority of negative comments in this thread are due to people's style preference.

e.g. over-sized swords and over-sized heads is a style they aren't fond of.

But I don't think any of them would say that the drawings are of poor quality.

I think most of these people would be willing to say "Even though I don't prefer this style of art, I am willing to admit you are quite talented at it"

Shhalahr Windrider
2006-12-06, 11:21 PM
I think, frankly, that fans of a crappy stick figure comic...
You don't give yourself enough credit, Mr. Burlew. Those are the best stick figures I've ever seen.

CrossP
2006-12-07, 03:01 AM
I think Giant in the Playground can already be said to have a tradition of comics with oversized heads. It seems odd that anyone would bring it up this late in the game.

I'll also add that all art is derivative. Otherwise it would be scratched on cave walls with charcoal.

I was about to vote for an oversized umbrella, and then the comic appeared. I'm quite happy with the undersized umbrella that I got instead.

The Vanishing Hitchhiker
2006-12-07, 03:46 AM
This is my obligatory poking-fun-at-ridiculously-oversized-swords post.

Y'know...

It isn't the "unrealism" of it that bothers me most about it; it's the homage to Japanese animation. The big sword fetish started in anime (Berserk?) and hit the big time with that terrible Final Fantasy VII. Why must absolutely everything reek of anime influence nowadays? Fifteen years or so ago, it was fresh, new, edgy...

But now...it's so pervasive that it's become unoriginal. So far, Erfworld appears to me to be yet another in a long line of forgettable, cutesy, lackluster, anime-influenced comics.

I love Order of the Stick, and will continue to follow it as long as it runs, but I will ignore Erfworld. Can't we have something innovative instead?

Amen! If they did it in Jay-pan, it can never be done again. Because you know, that would be trite, unoriginal, and boring. Anyway one mustn't be caught dead using the ideas of those weird foreigners. They have crazy things in their cartoons like talking cats and robots. Cartoons are for children - talking cats and robots and giant swords are simply inappropriate!

Sorry, I couldn't work "SIMPSONS DID IT!" anywhere in there. Ah well.

Anyway, I'd like a giant spork, and I'd like to see someone smacking people around with a cello. Thank you.

Xaspian
2006-12-07, 05:46 AM
A 'cello... or a GIANT VIOLIN?

I like the art style. I've a feeling that it's going to work well with the content. However, surely the content is the most important thing?

This may be a dodgy analogy, but you don't necessarily stop reading a good book just because you don't like the font.

charles
2006-12-07, 06:48 AM
Don't change a bl00dy thing!

We're all gonna cry about how it's different from OoTS but it's supposed to be. I'm sure if OoTS started posting on someone els's comic site with a heap of fans who are accustomed to another style of art, humour and storyline we'll all hear how they aren't realistic enough, joke about D&D rules too much and follow a storyline that frequently jumps sideways to follow a villan with a goate.

The whole thing we love about a good comic is it's difference from the norm. Big bl00dy swords, Cutsey speak, doll like characters with big heads.

It's called Character and without it, any old artist or story-teller could throw something together thats plain and normal and BOOOOOORRRRRINGGGGGG.

Stick with what you got, 'cos the ones who hate it will usually be a lot more vocal than the ones who love it.

PS. love the reference to "want of a nail" in there. That alone shows how deep this story telling should go.

GKBeetle
2006-12-07, 08:32 AM
If this is the place to mock your drawing skills, then I will take the time to comment that the large head:body ratio is a little offsetting to me. It makes the characters look infantile, but that may be the point, sine there seem to be gobwins and dwagons instaed of the more traditional Goblins and Dragons, so, meh.

I reserve the right to like or hate the comic until after it has premired and I have seen more of it.

Um, I don't know if you noticed, but OOTS has the same problem with oversized heads.

Om
2006-12-07, 09:21 AM
Um, I don't know if you noticed, but OOTS has the same problem with oversized heads.Őts a problem now?

cuchulainshound
2006-12-07, 01:37 PM
I'd like to see, um, a spoon that is just way too big?
SPOON!!!

(oh, sorry... ahem)

(maybe a giant swiss army knife? anyway...)


Giant sword haters get ready! A great deal of the weapons in Erfworld will appear to be quite large for the people wielding them. This is a visual choice on my part because frankly, oversized weapons amuse me greatly.

Actually, some of the larger items will make sense in the context of the story. And the others are just because I like drawing gigantic things!
The big items and big heads clearly both make the characters look like children/babies, and (as has been noted elsewhere), that adds a tone of irony to the whole "saga". Do we have children making war, or warriors acting like children? Age old question, and one that certainly can get more blurred in a fantasy story.

Similarly with the dwagon's tiny wings, and other such- it adds an air of absurdity to all endeavours and threats, and makes even Manpower's grizly death a comic gesture. (A literal target on his chest- nice.)

Not your preferred style? Cool, no one expects everyone to agree on art. But "Unrealistic"? So are Aesop's fables or the Wizard of Oz. Deal.

</deep>

RusVal
2006-12-07, 02:32 PM
What's more powerful than a giant sword?

Why a BigFwaggingWand 9000 of course! With two settings: "Warge Fwag" and "Uwbough Ownage Fwag"!

Okay, I'll stop now.

Khantalas
2006-12-07, 05:47 PM
Make a character who wields two gigantic scythes! That glow red!

Of course, if you can't notice the reference, you need to get some glasses.

And giant things are cool, OK? I mean, they were around long before anime was even invented. Hell, some mythic beings carried weapons twice, sometimes thrice their own size.

LordOfNarf
2006-12-07, 11:04 PM
Um, I don't know if you noticed, but OOTS has the same problem with oversized heads.

OoTs has the factor of not even rem;otelytrying to emulate reality, whereas this seems close enough to real that the big heads bother me.

Daracaex
2006-12-08, 12:35 AM
I've gotta say it. Don't judge me for this.

Chicks dig big sticks.

(yes, it's a polevaulting joke).

kit
2006-12-08, 02:57 AM
The only problem I have with giant swords is that the characters can't possibly lift them.


People keep talking about not being able to lift the sword.... what about pulling it out of the scabbard?

The character's arm isn't long enough to actually remove the sword from the scabbard unless she takes it off and places it on the ground.

I'm sorry... Ever heard of a bastard sword (http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/squire/sword-squire-bastard.htm)? A Claymore (http://www.scottish-swords.com/items/armoury/claymore/claymore2.1.html)? A Zweihander (http://www.eeldrytcharmouree.com/ScansGallery/Zwei.html)? Giant swords exist in reality, and have been actually used in combat. I myself have worn, drawn and swung a sword that was considerably longer than my arm. It's called a quick release baldric (http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/ShowLargeImage.aspx?Prod=Back%20Baldric%20With%20I ntegral%20Scabbard&LgImage=0200150_L_000.jpg), folks. It definately needed two hands, and I was pretty tired after swinging it about (which wouldn't have been a problem if I'd been training since I was twelve...).

I'll agree that some anime swords go a little beyond reality, but not by as much as most people think. Just cuz it's bigger than a short sword or a dinky little rapier, it's not unrealistic.

The Vanishing Hitchhiker
2006-12-08, 04:46 AM
A 'cello... or a GIANT VIOLIN?


No, no, a cello. Fuller body, more cello-y tone... Yep, definitely gonna have to go with a cello on this one.

Shhalahr Windrider
2006-12-08, 08:56 AM
OoTs has the factor of not even rem;otelytrying to emulate reality, whereas this seems close enough to real that the big heads bother me.
Aside from general anatomical layout on the humans, I see nothing to suggest an emulation of reality.

And OotS characters have similar anatomical layout as well. Aside from the noses, I guess.

gvinny
2006-12-08, 10:52 AM
You know... toons with big weapons wasn’t started with Anime...

Jami did a great job titling this post. A funny little president once said something along those lines... "Walk softly but carry a BIG stick." I believe it was. Ever see the political cartoons from that era?

http://www.lincolnwindows.com/images/ted1.jpg
http://www.lincolnwindows.com/images/ted2.jpg

It's also important to note that many of these old political cartoons also used abstract proportions as well, large heads, big bodies and small arms, etc... Just because you saw it on a video game or the cartoon-network 10 years ago doesn't mean it was 'cutting edge'. Art has been around for a LONG time.

Besides, as has already been said, “The STYLE of the art isn’t as important as the STORY it tells…”

Honestly, I believe both comics on this website are making great strides in 'originality' not based solely on art style, but the whole package. That's why we're all here.

Ahem.... case rested... meeting adjourned.

gvinny
2006-12-08, 10:57 AM
Oh, and to answer the OP...

I wanna seem some really LARGE fuzzy dice... I'm talking WAY bigger than the rear-view mirror kind... and pink.

jami
2006-12-08, 11:19 AM
gvinny, awesome post! Those political cartoons are excellent!

gvinny
2006-12-08, 11:33 AM
*bow*

Thanks... yeah... I had forgotten how excellent some of the artwork was in some of those. Just google "Political Cartoons" and get back into the early 1900's and you find some very cool stuff.

*grin* I knew SOMETHING got me through Mr. Rortvedt's American History class... I had just forgotten it was all the political cartoons in the textbook.

BTW... what are you doing reading posts/posting like the rest of us posers?

Go draw something. Post Haste. Preferably more Wanda... ^.^

jami
2006-12-08, 11:44 AM
Heh, unfortunately, I'm at my day job. No drawing for me until tonight. :smallfrown:

If I could comic all day, you can be sure I'd be drawing lots of Wanda! She's one of my favorites to draw.

Aliquid
2006-12-08, 11:53 AM
I'm sorry... Ever heard of a bastard sword (http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/squire/sword-squire-bastard.htm)? A Claymore (http://www.scottish-swords.com/items/armoury/claymore/claymore2.1.html)? A Zweihander (http://www.eeldrytcharmouree.com/ScansGallery/Zwei.html)? Giant swords exist in reality, and have been actually used in combat. I myself have worn, drawn and swung a sword that was considerably longer than my arm.Yes, but this sword is literally as long as she is tall, not the lenght of her arm. A typical Claymore is 4'6" long, not 5'6". That's a 20% increase in size. On top of that, her sword is 3 times (if not 4 times) as wide as a Claymore. So, that's close to a 400% increase in mass. Considering a claymore weighs 5.5 lbs, her sword would weigh 22 lbs.... a big difference.

It's called a quick release baldric (http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/ShowLargeImage.aspx?Prod=Back%20Baldric%20With%20I ntegral%20Scabbard&LgImage=0200150_L_000.jpg), folks.And she doesn't have one of those, she has a standard scabbard.


I'll agree that some anime swords go a little beyond reality, but not by as much as most people think. Just cuz it's bigger than a short sword or a dinky little rapier, it's not unrealistic.I think the substantial increase in width is more unreal than the increase in length.

gvinny
2006-12-08, 12:45 PM
Heh, unfortunately, I'm at my day job. No drawing for me until tonight. :smallfrown:

If I could comic all day, you can be sure I'd be drawing lots of Wanda! She's one of my favorites to draw.

Woot! I'll take all the Wanda I can get :smallbiggrin:

Yeah... day jobs pretty much blow. Personally if I could I'd be writing all the time, but you... my friend... are much closer to that 'non-work' goal than I.

Speaking of day-jobs I should probably go, I've got a router that's acting like it's had some bad fish.

At least posting made the first half of the day fly! :smalltongue:

Later Jami... keep up the good work.

gvinny
2006-12-08, 01:00 PM
PS... Does anyone know the psychological term to describe Aliquid's post?

How about getalifeaphobia? Fear of, you guessed it, "Getting a Life!" Or maybe nitpickerson’s disease.

I mean, come on… the chick has got a HUGE sword, and she’s clearly able to wield it cause she’s got zamussles, so drop it.

Holy hell…

Aliquid are you the kind of person who watches a movie and says “That car shouldn’t have exploded like that because the explosive capabilities of gasoline in the ratio of oxygen/gas that would be present at the moment of impact, represented here, fall far from the ratios required for said explosion!”

Whatever… thanks for sucking the imagination/creativity/magic/hope out of my world.

You know who says what’s possible and what’s not? The people who make this stuff up! Not you, not me, and not the scientific community.

It’s people like Aliquid that give me as a fantasy addict AND as a Christian a headache.

Can’t anything just BE?

That said.

In an argument about the feasibility of said sword given Earth/science dynamics you have a good point. Gratz.

Aliquid
2006-12-08, 02:16 PM
You know who says whatís possible and whatís not? The people who make this stuff up! Not you, not me, and not the scientific community.

Itís people like Aliquid that give me as a fantasy addict AND as a Christian a headache.

Canít anything just BE?Clearly you read way more into my post than I had intended.

First off, I don't really care, I was just making an observation.

My issue was with Kit's post trying to justify the sword with "real world" examples. That type of sword is not possible in the real world, and I had to shoot the argument down. In a fantasy world it makes sense, but don't try to justify it in the real world.

In Erfworld, she can weild the sword, and she can do it well. The size doesn't matter, and the shape doesn't matter. It is a fantasy world, and the laws of physics do not apply. I would never argue otherwise.

gvinny
2006-12-08, 03:13 PM
*sheepish grin* (can we get one of these emicons? Sheep with a grin, preferrably looking abashed)

I stand by what I said, as a windows into MY put-uponness but an apology is required.

Aliquid... you know, something almost stopped me from posting that because I had the feeling it was a rant, and now that I've popped back in to check... yes... indeed it was.

I blame it entirely on routers and their poor taste in fish, however I think I still need to say the word.

Sorry (there it is), Aliquid, you were hit by stray rant-fire, but it was from a friendly.

*extends hand*

For those concerned, the router is much better after a little R&R and it's buddy (the wireless card) got a new driver version. I live for these small victories.

Aliquid
2006-12-08, 03:49 PM
Sorry (there it is), Aliquid, you were hit by stray rant-fire, but it was from a friendly. No worries. A simple misunderstanding.

The Vanishing Hitchhiker
2006-12-08, 04:18 PM
PS... Does anyone know the psychological term to describe Aliquid's post?


Incidentally, was the term you were looking for "catgirl slayer"? Or am I still not awake?


Anyway, no one seems to be arguing about the size of the Arkenhammer, nor the precense of gigantic mallets in anime. Of course, it's maaaagical, so maybe no one finds it suspicious.

Ah, maybe that explains the sword. A wizard did it.

Demented
2006-12-08, 06:31 PM
In a world where excellence of warfare involves sending as many (hideously ugly) creatures as possible into the fray, you can only judge a good strategist by the size of her sword. Wave tactics do not bear subtlety.

RandomNPC
2006-12-08, 06:41 PM
maybe in this world metal is really light, so to have the cleaving power they need to have lots of it. there was a knife made specificly in world war two that had a silly amount of metal between the two sides of the blade, specificly to smash german helmets and still have the ability to hurt the brain behind the skull inside said helmet. needless to say they only made the knives because the germans had hugely thick helmets.

Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins
2006-12-08, 10:59 PM
I reserve judgment until a trigger-happy wizard appears with a giant staff and a giant sword. Also a giant beard. But not necessarily in that order.

Or I could say, I love it, I don't care about weaponry size as long as it's got firepower or size enough to frighten AND kill with deadly efficiency, and also 'Johnson vonJohnson Buerger'. Simply because I always say Johnson vonJohnson Buerger.

Aren
2006-12-08, 11:04 PM
The worst thing about oversized swords is how long it takes my lackey to sharpen them each morning.
*sigh*

Good help is so hard to enslave...

TinSoldier
2006-12-08, 11:15 PM
The worst thing about oversized swords is how long it takes my lackey to sharpen them each morning.
*sigh*

Good help is so hard to enslave...Now that is funny!

Shhalahr Windrider
2006-12-09, 08:29 AM
*sheepish grin* (can we get one of these emicons? Sheep with a grin, preferrably looking abashed)
I believe the redface (:redface:) is supposed to fill that roll. It's no sheep, but, hey, we can't all be ruminants.

kit
2006-12-09, 02:08 PM
Yes, but this sword is literally as long as she is tall, not the lenght of her arm. A typical Claymore is 4'6" long, not 5'6". That's a 20% increase in size. On top of that, her sword is 3 times (if not 4 times) as wide as a Claymore. So, that's close to a 400% increase in mass. Considering a claymore weighs 5.5 lbs, her sword would weigh 22 lbs.... a big difference.
And she doesn't have one of those, she has a standard scabbard.

I think the substantial increase in width is more unreal than the increase in length.

And as a girl who can only aspire to 5' with the help of heels - I can swing a claymore. The width: yeah, you have a point there. The scabbard: yeah, in the cast pics, she has a standard scabbard. But it's not actually attached to her belt or a baldric, so it's not so much a matter of drawing as of dropping the scabbard (as someone mentioned already, I think). I was more speaking in general.

I'm sorry if I came off as harsh or anything. Obviously fantasy is outside the realm of reality, and obviously comics exaggerate proportions for artistic and humor reasons. My point was more that it's not as far from real as some people think. I guess y'all got smacked with my knee-jerk reaction to 'big swords are stupid'.

Oh, and for the people who said it was too 'anime'... I'll reapeat what some other people have said: big swords do NOT equal anime...

I happen to hate anime myself. But man, I looooove big swords!

lord_khaine
2006-12-09, 05:25 PM
what, am i the only one here who just read this comic becasue of the artwork?

faeriehunter
2006-12-09, 06:39 PM
I would like to see oversized shields. The perfect defense against oversized weapons!

magic8BALL
2006-12-10, 06:08 AM
...or really tiny shields that are JUST AS EFFECTIVE! Thats heaps funny!

Constantinople
2006-12-11, 04:33 PM
...or really tiny shields that are JUST AS EFFECTIVE! Thats heaps funny!

Bucklers. Proper shields, they are, and they often have a sharp bit on them to smack around the head of your enemy when s/heís not looking.

Thes Hunter
2006-12-12, 01:54 AM
This is my obligatory poking-fun-at-ridiculously-oversized-swords post.

Y'know...

It isn't the "unrealism" of it that bothers me most about it; it's the homage to Japanese animation. The big sword fetish started in anime (Berserk?) and hit the big time with that terrible Final Fantasy VII. Why must absolutely everything reek of anime influence nowadays? Fifteen years or so ago, it was fresh, new, edgy...

But now...it's so pervasive that it's become unoriginal. So far, Erfworld appears to me to be yet another in a long line of forgettable, cutesy, lackluster, anime-influenced comics.

I love Order of the Stick, and will continue to follow it as long as it runs, but I will ignore Erfworld. Can't we have something innovative instead?

I see it like this.... Trends, they happen.

Now what I mean by that takes a few more words to explain.

You might be a happy little Assyrian wandering around Khorsabad thinking "Why do all our gates have winged human headed bulls on them now?! Back in my day we had Lions at our gates and we were happy with it. Now everybody has got to have one of these Lamassu on it!"

Oh... umm... I see you blinking at me like I am a crazy woman, so maybe I should pick a more contemporary example.

So you might be a happy little Frenchman and you are wandering around Paris, around the turn of the former century and see all these fuzzy paintings pop up. and think "What's with these kids these days? One of them starts painting without their glasses and that was fun and nice for a while, and now they all do it? Why can't they go back to doing something original like Donatello*! Now that was something!"

And those of you not forced to take 16 credits of art history, the renaissance was not original... the sculpture for sure borrowed heavily from Greek, Roman and Etruscan sculpture still sitting around Rome.

My whole point is this: nothing is ever really original, the modern artists thought they were doing something new, but there is similarity there with cave paintings carbon dated back to early Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and the drive to be original just for originality's sake drives people to create some really stupid things. (I have an example of this, but it's not quite safe for a PG13 Forum, all I will say is that is has to do with a Cube.)

So maybe the trend with this very general style of drawing is 'stale' for you. Though Mr. Noguchi's style seems to be influenced by Japanese animation, it is in no way a 'copy-cat' of that style. It seems to me that you take issue with any style that has been informed by Japanese animation, and I find that position slightly absurd. It is like saying that you don't like any music now a days, because it's all been influenced by Rock and Roll and that people should do something original like Jazz and Blues. But then again, it is your every right to dislike Rock and Roll, or anime based art.

I, however, personally really find it interesting that Mr. Noguchi is using regular proportions for the body, but enlarging the head. And he seems to be borrowing not only from manga stylings, but other sources as well, and blending this with his own style making something, that I find unique.


* I tried not to pick a Ninja turtle, really I did.

Maurog
2006-12-13, 07:11 AM
Speaking of people that have been influenced by previously existing styles, what about that Rich Burlew guy? I mean, stick figures are sooo 40000 years ago, how is that in any way original? Sheesh!

Kalbereth
2006-12-13, 08:00 AM
Hehe. This comic is great, even if it lacks the clear humor of some of the OotS strips. Then again, subtlety seems what ou were going for anyway, so great job. And strangely enough, that line from Teddy Roosevelt is one of the few things that stuck with me from AP US History...odd...

foil_fedora
2006-12-13, 03:39 PM
OK, I think there's actually logic at work here... of course the swords are oversize... did you notice the size of the heads they're designed to lop off?!?!? :smalleek:

Form follows function, people.. and pseudo-logic must be obeyed!

LurkerBeneath
2006-12-13, 06:53 PM
I vote for an oversized phillips screwdriver making an appearance..
Well, presumably there's an Arkenscrewdriver somewhere. If the Arkenhammer is any indication, it should be oversize. I don't know if it's Phillips or regular or Torx or ..., though. I guess there could even be one of each type.
-LB

Retromancer
2006-12-14, 11:56 AM
3 pages and no one's asked for Rodriguez to make an appearance with his giant boot yet?

you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Demented
2006-12-14, 01:53 PM
OK, I think there's actually logic at work here... of course the swords are oversize... did you notice the size of the heads they're designed to lop off?!?!? :smalleek:

Form follows function, people.. and pseudo-logic must be obeyed!

Its not the size of the sword that counts... it's the width of the neck!

gvinny
2006-12-16, 10:07 PM
Well, presumably there's an Arkenscrewdriver somewhere. If the Arkenhammer is any indication, it should be oversize. I don't know if it's Phillips or regular or Torx or ..., though. I guess there could even be one of each type.
-LB

Actually... given our current Arken-model I'm assuming the arkenscrewdriver would be of the Playschool variety with a flashing handle and 'Real Workshop Noises', mayhaps a rotating bit, now if they'd only introduce a 'Bob the Builder' oracle we'd be all set.

http://nickjr.co.uk/shows/bob/media/main.jpg

Hmm... large head... small body... Jami, you got some splainin' to do.

Belial_the_Leveler
2006-12-19, 07:26 AM
1) Wielding an oversized sword is not that difficult to imagine. Most ppl in our world have the equivalent of DnD's strength score of 10 with few examples between 12 and 14 and only a handful of ppl ever reaching strength 16. Remember, an 8th level DnD fighter can have, without magical aid, a strength score of 20. Said figher can lift 800 pounds above his/her head. This super-strength is fairly common in DnD heroes. Don't try to think if a normal human could use said oversized sword but if Hercules could.

2) Huge weapon weight/size does not really make them impossible to lift. Most people can fairly easily lift 40 pounds with one hand, let alone two. The problem is with tiring out during a fight and the weapon being unwieldy. But that is not a problem with the strength scores most hero-characters have.


That said, oversized weaponry should be as common as beings with strength scores above 14. A being with strength 15 could wield a weapon twice as heavy as a normal, strength 10 human with the same effort. A being with strength 20 could wield a weapon four times as heavy. Besides, fairly large weapons are essential due to the use of "uncroaked" infantry. While a few stabs from a shortsword can send most normal fighters to their graves, a skeleton or similar "uncroaked" being has damage reduction, making small, fast weapons fairly useless.

faerwain
2006-12-19, 08:40 PM
Going back to the original intention...ELKS!! GIANT ELKS!!