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Gorbash Kazdar
2006-12-09, 02:26 PM
This thread is intended for anyone to post ideas for an Official Contest they would like to see. The first ideas thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9690) yielded a number of excellent suggestions.

It should be noted that while the mods read this thread to get ideas going and get a feel for what people are interested in, the ideas posted in the thread are suggestions only. Any idea will be tweaked by the contest runner, and they are under no obligation to match their guidelines to the suggestion. We try to make each contest interesting and unique. Please look over the Contest Rules & Guidelines (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/announcement.php?f=16&a=19) for more information about Official Contests in general.

For reference, a list of previous contests run on the forums (list compiled by Vorpal Tribble and Roland St. Jude, in reverse chronological order):

Library Lovers (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44750)
Friend or Foe (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36575)
Rivalry (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32022)
The Gift (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29214)
Indigo Template (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9688)
Pirate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9701)
Summer Organization (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9749)
Psionics (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9786)
Screen Name Tavern (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9824)
Fall/Winter NPC Portrait (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9872)
Monster Design (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9902)
Monumental City (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9939)
Party Design (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10001)
Magic Items (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10028)
Festival (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10058)
Pantheon Design (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10079)
Spell Theme (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10103)
Screen Name Prestige Class
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10115)

The Demented One
2006-12-10, 11:58 AM
Since next month is January, how about a contest to design a festival or similar celebrating the new year?

Were-Sandwich
2006-12-10, 12:24 PM
What about a theme of hired-goons, elite or otherwise? Like mercenaries, assassins and suchlike

The Vorpal Tribble
2006-12-10, 12:29 PM
Probably going to get mugged for this, but what about an Epic contest? Design a new deity or a creature capable of destroying or guarding entire cities.

Gorbash Kazdar
2006-12-10, 12:41 PM
Probably going to get mugged for this, but what about an Epic contest? Design a new deity or a creature capable of destroying or guarding entire cities.
::Jumps VT in a back alley and takes his wallet & shoes.:: :smallwink:

But, actually, despite my personal dislike of D&D 3.x Epic material, there are a goodly number of Epic-level fans on the forum, so I think it's one we'll definitely be looking into.

Mike_Lemmer
2006-12-10, 04:47 PM
Hmm, eerily similar to my idea, VT. My suggestion:

-A gigantic monster that a 7th-level party could take down if they knew its weakness. Think Godzilla with an Achilles Heel, or the colossi from Shadow of the Colossus. I'd set it up as an adventure in three parts:
1. Introducing the monster
2. Preparing to defeat it (research & retrieval)
3. Defeating the monster

Timberwolf
2006-12-10, 05:12 PM
I'm new to thinking about homebrewing and I feel awful so wading through 23 pages of contest ideas is not appealing but has there been a contest to design an organisation ?

Maybe make it so that it there's an evil organisation contest, good contest and neutral contest, best leader, that kind of thing. Have it so that the entries are fleshed out (brief stats on characters involved, any story hooks, activities, aims of the organisation, arch enemies etc etc) and given a back story.

Anyway, I don't know if it's been done but I think it sounds fun.

The Vorpal Tribble
2006-12-10, 05:23 PM
Not quite to the depth you're talking about, but there have been a couple.

Summer Organization Contest (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9749)

The Momumental City (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9939) contest might also have some organizations.

Timberwolf
2006-12-10, 05:25 PM
no worries then, wish i'd been around for that

Rolaran
2006-12-10, 05:34 PM
How's this for a contest idea?

Friend or Foe?

Basically, create something- an NPC, a creature, a playable race, an organization, even a god- that the players can work with, but can't entirely trust. Maybe a person who offers them seemingly impossible deals on magic items, but may be profiteering in the Blood War. Or a mild-mannered PC race that occasionally goes berserk. Or a Chaotic Good outsider who helps the party out, as long as they adhere to his seemingly arbitrary code of ethics- then turns on them if they break it.

A good example would be the Giant's "Rankle, the Dretch Merchant"- handy to have him on your side, but you wouldn't want to trust him too far...

Roland St. Jude
2006-12-10, 05:39 PM
Probably going to get mugged for this, but what about an Epic contest? Design a new deity or a creature capable of destroying or guarding entire cities.


::Jumps VT in a back alley and takes his wallet & shoes.:: :smallwink:

But, actually, despite my personal dislike of D&D 3.x Epic material, there are a goodly number of Epic-level fans on the forum, so I think it's one we'll definitely be looking into.

::Rummage, Rummage:: Somewhere around here there's an Epic contest pretty much ready to go already, so expect to see one...someday. :smallwink:

LordOfNarf
2006-12-12, 08:11 PM
Probably going to get mugged for this, but what about an Epic contest? Design a new deity or a creature capable of destroying or guarding entire cities.

making an epic contest pretty much throws the idea of keeping it in core to the wind, and once you've set a precedent....

Anyway, I would oppose an Epic contest because the consepts are too easy for world destroying montrosities, but low power challenges are more difficult to design. And there is alot of paperwork in picking feats skills etc, for epic. And not everyone can be reasonably expected to have an Epic Level Handbook that they need to compete in an epic contest.

And my last whining about an epic contest:it was never properly updated to 3.5, sure there's erratta, but its not well written and its card to figure where all the information goes form the pacet.

My contest suggestion is: The Pen and the Sword, detailing a group of orgnaizations, a campaign or a world where there is a battle between the purveyors of knowledge and the masters of weaponry. Make it have to include at least two items of the following list, one for each side.
Monster
3 or more spells (they are easier to make than some other things)
2 or more feats
a prestige class
a template
a magic item or magic item abilityThis gives a set format and also gives people a chance to compete in their own best feild

EndlessEnnui
2006-12-13, 09:11 AM
Hmm, I have a pile of contest ideas, here's one to start:

Nemeses

Contestants create two characters which are in enduring opposition to each other. These characters don't have to be diametric opposites or have a formally-pledged-and-star-destined vendetta against each other, but they do have to functionally be lasting enemies.

There would be no particular level constraints, and people reading the contest entries would gain ideas or crunchy options for two characters, the heart of a conflict possibly affecting the characters, to insert into their game.

LordOfNarf
2006-12-13, 10:18 PM
I just had a briliant idea for all contests, no more of this reserving space stuff. It drives me nuts to look at all the entries and know that only about half of them have any content whatsoever in them. I think you should post when you have content to enter, or maybe some part of your contest, don't let people make a thread with nothing but a short message saying something like this:

{Reserved space}

Reserving space for expansion is different than starting a thread with no content in it. Space for expansion should be allowed, but have at least some content done before you post.

Gorbash Kazdar
2006-12-16, 12:24 PM
I just had a briliant idea for all contests, no more of this reserving space stuff. It drives me nuts to look at all the entries and know that only about half of them have any content whatsoever in them. I think you should post when you have content to enter, or maybe some part of your contest, don't let people make a thread with nothing but a short message saying something like this:

{Reserved space}

Reserving space for expansion is different than starting a thread with no content in it. Space for expansion should be allowed, but have at least some content done before you post.
Agreed. It's actually in the Guidelines already, but I think we're going to make it more clearcut and start deleting threads like that in the future.

The Vorpal Tribble
2006-12-18, 02:56 PM
Especially as reserving threads don't do flip for you. It just gets shoved down below everyone elses.

Rama_Lei
2006-12-29, 04:32 PM
Hmm.. I may drag myself out of my high school drudgery long enough to finish an entry one of these days, so I'll add something I'd like to do.
Climatic Battle!

Design the setting, parties, and whatever else to create the most memorable battle ever!

Peregrine
2006-12-30, 03:48 AM
I just had a briliant idea for all contests, no more of this reserving space stuff. It drives me nuts to look at all the entries and know that only about half of them have any content whatsoever in them.
Yeah, I'll 'fess up to having done this myself in the past -- and being burnt when I just don't get to finish the thing. (I guess my main motivation was to stake a claim on the idea; a title, maybe a brief description, would say, 'I have this idea, and if anyone gets a more finished version of the same thing out later, I can prove I didn't copy them.') So for the Indigo competition, I held off -- and good thing too, as I didn't get it done. Same thing for this competition, except I've actually got the blasted thing almost done, and have posted accordingly.

As for suggestions... I guess an Epic competition could be interesting, and while it's not core, it is in the SRD at least. Mike_Lemmer's suggestion was a good one, although it might not allow much room for variety. I'd still favour something non-Epic, myself.

Duke of URL
2007-01-03, 09:49 AM
Contest Idea: Unusual Villains

Design a villain (or group of villains) that does not fall into the typical stereotype of "evil power-hungry being trying to take over or destroy the world or significant part thereof".

Specifically, the villain(s) should:



Not have an "evil" alignment
Believe they are acting in good faith
But nevertheless, need to be stopped by the "heroes"

Gamebird
2007-01-03, 05:39 PM
Ideas:


A working ecology, including food and energy sources, for unusual places, like fey glades, underworld caverns, dwarven kingdoms or a humanoid-infested dungeon. Something more original than "they trade for it" or "it's magic".
A creature that isn't a monster designed for the PCs to defeat, but instead exists in relation to other creatures. Some very mundane examples would be deer, rabbits, squirrels, fish or chickens. More exotic might be ticks or mites that feed on dragons or infernal worms that co-exist in the bowels of demons.
Mundane creatures with magical powers - like deer that can go ethereal to avoid predators, blink rabbits or harmony frogs.
General purpose spells useful in non-adventuring contexts. The Gleaner spells are a great example of what I mean. There should be a low level spell to cure the common cold or get rid of pimples.The monster books are full of things that are threats to PCs, but hardly anything about the creatures and systems that support the monsters. The criteria could be "most realistic" and "most likely to be included in my campaign".

Reptilius
2007-01-03, 07:14 PM
Far too generic I know, but what about something involving dragons? Like new dragon species, a dragon-based player race, a kingdom ruled by dragons, a dragon god, a dragon PrC, the list goes on and on. I'm unsure as to wether this has been done here (likely), but old standbys (i.e. dragons) are good sources for inspiration.

Skyserpent
2007-01-04, 05:42 AM
Hm... okay I think that D&D has had it's share of Draconic Splatbooks for that. Too many ideas have already been done. Draconomicon and Races of the Dragon can attest to that.

How about an ancient legend contest? Write up an old tale that the PCs might hear about. Then create a quest based on said old tale. It can be pretty loose but each might have an artifact, a monster that becomes unleashed, a portal that was never opened, a hero that needs be freed... Something along those veins?


I kinda liked the "Design a Mook" idea too...

Rainspattered
2007-01-04, 06:00 PM
I like the climactic battle ideas. I can thing of a few things I've seen and done in campaigns that were really climactic. Well, one was just nerve wracking and confusing, but in an epic and climactic way that served that campaign masterfully.

I'd like to see a contest based on a campaign idea for two parties of PCs. Not, obviously, the whole outline of the thing because plans change and it would be far, far too long, but the general idea of a campaign and some specifics, that would use two parties together, in opposition, or a combination thereof (Parties have the same goal and employer, but are in competition, etc), with awards for most original, best overall, best opposition, best cooperative, best combination, and anything else deemed necessary.

Duke of URL
2007-01-05, 01:54 PM
Assuming that events in the OotS strip don't overtake the contest...

Idea: Design a custom PrC (or custom PrCs) for Nale to counter Elan's "Dashing Swordsman" PrC.

Rainspattered
2007-01-05, 03:20 PM
"Discorteous Magocracy."
You learn to channel your inner jackass through the magic you naturally weild, strengthening your natural spellcasting prowess with the force of your own misanthropy.

I thought about the whole OotS thing, too. I don't think too many would copy it, since it would be pretty obviously copied and not win, but that is a problem.
I was going to suggest a non-PHB-race campaign, but the Drizzt rip-offs would be too much to take, on a similar line of thought.

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-01-05, 03:35 PM
I second the fair idea by demented one.

lost_my_NHL
2007-01-08, 08:13 PM
I second (or third) Rama_lei's idea for a climatic battle. Make it an epic poem, at most a few pages long. Since next month is february, make there be a love story involved (for valentines day). This would be something that people w/o reference books could do (but references to Dnd creatures/feats/etc would be bonus).

Fax Celestis
2007-01-08, 09:15 PM
What about a contest based around time travel?

Legendcrafter
2007-01-09, 01:39 AM
How about a template based around a shcool of magic? For instance, you could have the Oracle, who can cast divination spells at will or something, or an indestructible Abjurman, perhaps. This could be judged on how it fits into the theme, its originality, ect.

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-01-09, 03:41 AM
I second (or third) Rama_lei's idea for a climatic battle. Make it an epic poem, at most a few pages long. Since next month is february, make there be a love story involved (for valentines day). This would be something that people w/o reference books could do (but references to Dnd creatures/feats/etc would be bonus).

The Iron Author contest already does that. So, I wouldn't like to take that option since it's all ready been implemented. I'm still in favor of the fair type thing, or maybe designing your own tavern game.

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-01-09, 12:31 PM
or maybe designing your own tavern game.
Been there, done that.


Tavern Contest, 3/06 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9824)

Simius
2007-01-10, 12:42 PM
Perhaps it would be a good idea if we had a list of all the contests that have been held. This way there would be no 'old' ideas, like the Tavern game. Could someone put such a list in the original post, perhaps?

How about a 1th level contest? Designing challenges for level 1 PCs, so they don't have to fight any more goblins and kobolds and rats and other clichees. These challenges don't necessarely have to be mosters: traps, cursed items or other hazards are perfectly possible for first level characters.

V thanks, VT

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-01-10, 01:18 PM
Perhaps it would be a good idea if we had a list of all the contests that have been held. This way there would be no 'old' ideas, like the Tavern game. Could someone put such a list in the original post, perhaps?
I put the list over in Contest Ideas: The Original Series, but all the links went flub after the site move. Will see if I can find them again (not hard, only maybe 10 pages)

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-01-10, 01:34 PM
Design Contest List

The Gift (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29214)
Indigo Template (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9688)
Pirate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9701)
Summer Organization (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9749)
Psionics (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9786)
Screen Name Tavern (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9824)
Fall/Winter NPC Portrait (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9872)
Monster Design (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9902)
Monumental City (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9939)
Party Design (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10001)
Magic Items (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10028)
Festival (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10058)
Pantheon Design (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10079)
Spell Theme (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10103)
Screen Name Prestige Class
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10115)

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-01-10, 03:26 PM
well, how about a design a dungeon contest? It should probably have a theme to it so as not to just make a cave like dungeon.

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-01-10, 03:55 PM
well, how about a design a dungeon contest? It should probably have a theme to it so as not to just make a cave like dungeon.
That'd be pretty cool, especially with Dungeonscape coming out.

Reptilius
2007-01-10, 06:13 PM
What about Demon princes? What with the infinite layers down there, there's bound to be more than just the nasties Dragon puts out now and again.

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-01-11, 12:32 AM
What about Demon princes? What with the infinite layers down there, there's bound to be more than just the nasties Dragon puts out now and again.

I think that topic is a little to narrow. I think there needs to be a topic that has a little more leeway and is a bit more broad than that. Besides, VT already has the creature competiton going, I think this contest should stay away from monsters due to that. The way it looks now, we need someone to preside over the contest since it seems as if Roland isn't going to do the next one.

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-01-11, 12:35 AM
I think that topic is a little to narrow. I think there needs to be a topic that has a little more leeway and is a bit more broad than that. Besides, VT already has the creature competiton going, I think this contest should stay away from monsters due to that.
Naw, mine is just a little unofficial thing. Don't let that dictate anything. Lotsa possible monster-based contests are possible without resembling mine.

El Zoof
2007-01-13, 05:47 AM
How about a contest to design a vehicle? Or vessel, if you prefer - something to get the characters from A to B that doesn't involve simply casting "Mass Teleport" or somesuch.

danielf
2007-01-13, 09:16 AM
How about a contest to design a vehicle? Or vessel, if you prefer - something to get the characters from A to B that doesn't involve simply casting "Mass Teleport" or somesuch.

Beam me up, Scotty. :smallsmile:

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-01-13, 09:54 PM
I think our main issue now is to find someone to moderate the competition. Then and only then we should worry about what the topic is.

Roland St. Jude
2007-01-13, 10:07 PM
I think our main issue now is to find someone to moderate the competition. Then and only then we should worry about what the topic is.

I appreciate your eagerness. However, that's not how it works. The Official GitP Design Contest is run by the Website Staff. It's put on however often the Staff decides to do so. In the past, that has been 4-5 times per year on a semi-random basis. In the recent past, there has been an increase to monthly. But as they say in the fine print of every financial services ad, "past performance is not a guarantee of future performance."

We may bring you a contest this month or not until next month. When we do, we will definitely consider all your suggestions in this thread. So keep them coming.

wxdruid
2007-01-14, 10:57 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing a contest for creating weather spells. (They're my favorite.) See if people can get creative and think of some interesting ways to involve the weather.

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-01-14, 02:33 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a contest for creating weather spells. (They're my favorite.) See if people can get creative and think of some interesting ways to involve the weather.
A storm-themed contest 'could' be interesting, but weather-based spells... there are already dozens. Not to mention several weather-based prestige classes are in practically every book.

If you like weather-based spells though, heres where you can find some :smallwink:

Player's Handbook
Call Lightning (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsC.html#call-lightning)
Call Lightning Storm (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsC.html#call-lightning-storm)
Control Weather (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsC.html#control-weather)
Control Winds (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsC.html#control-winds)
Fire Storm (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsFtoG.html#fire-storm)
Fog Cloud (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsFtoG.html#fog-cloud)
Gust of Wind (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsFtoG.html#gust-of-wind)
Ice Storm (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsHtoL.html#ice-storm)
Obscuring Mist (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsMtoO.html#obscuring-mist)
Sleet Storm (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsS.html#sleet-storm)
Storm of Vengeance (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsS.html#storm-of-vengeance)
Whirlwind (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsTtoZ.html#whirlwind)

Frostburn
Arctic Haze
Blizzard
Boreal Wind
Control Temperature
Death Hail
Dire Winter
Fimbulwinter
Ice Age
Obscuring Snow
Whiteout

Sandstorm
Flashflood
Flaywind Burst
Haboob
Sandstorm
Searing Exposure
Storm Mote

Stormwrack
Favorable Winds
Stormrunner's Ward
Waterspout

(also introduces the Storm Domain)

Mooseman
2007-01-15, 07:27 AM
How about a straight up design a playable race contest? I was surprised to not see it on the list.

Bearofbadnews
2007-01-15, 08:16 AM
I misunderstood Mooseman's comment there on first read, thinking that he was suggesting a race (a la Hanna Barberra's classic Wacky Races). Building a racing scenario might be an interesting contest. A requirement of some sort could be added (must have a PrC, or Template, or Monster, or whatever).

I think most of the best villains I've played have been **** Dastardly-derived.

EDIT:Hahahahaha...

soylentplaid
2007-01-15, 03:09 PM
Alright everyone, put away your design contest ideas, this one wins. :)

Create a four or five man (or woman, or squishy creature) strike team, specifically designed to harass adventuring parties. Makeup can be anything intelligent, they can use any tactics to make the players miserable, can have any mix of brute force, magic/psionics, stealthy trickery, etc., but always must remain focused on one goal: continually making the players' lives hell. Teams must have a way to escape when everything goes sideways so that the players can't just slaughter them and continue on. Essentially, recurring badguys (or, depending on the PCs, goodguys) for the players to have to somehow deal with.

Fax Celestis
2007-01-15, 03:15 PM
So...the Linear Guild?

soylentplaid
2007-01-15, 03:33 PM
Essentially, yes. It doesn't necessarily have to be an "evil adventuring party" as such, maybe a particular travelling group of religious zealots or a squad of the kingdom guard that doesn't like the party or a band that somehow plays at every tavern the PCs stay in (and really suck) or something.

It was either that, or a James Bond-esque supervillain design contest.

knightsaline
2007-01-16, 10:10 PM
What about making a movie monsters contest? or something inspired by movies/anime/comic books. I, personally would love to see someone create Jack Skellington (from The Nightmare Before Christmas) or the Vorpal Bunny (Monty Python and the Holy Grail). that or some sort of movie inspired weapons (anyone up for a holy handgrenade?)

failing that, a Houserule Competition! you could have subcategories (Divine category, Arcane category, Fighting category, Incarnum category, Sneaky category, the list goes on and on) I have a few ideas for this one...

Peregrine
2007-01-19, 11:16 AM
Here's an idea, not for a contest, but for an award category for all contests.

In the Rivalry Contest thread right now, there's a discussion about how stringent the 'try not to rely on non-core/SRD material' criterion is. In particular, VT points out:


Pffttt, I've never really kept too closely to the SRD stuff, and some contests, like the organization one, though not relying on non-core, had a category or two for voting based soley on stuff from a non-SRD book.

Since as I understand it, the idea of using core/SRD material is to make it useful to as many people as possible, why not have a category specifically rewarding this? 'Best 100% OGC entry' or something. (Note that this isn't just limiting it to SRD material; any Open Game Content should be fair, since it's just as free to use as the SRD. Besides which, when a lot of people say 'SRD', they mean http://d20srd.org/, which has a lot of OGC that isn't strictly part of the SRD.)

In contests where it's appropriate, of course it's also still a good idea to have award categories for non-Open stuff. But it may be even more of a good idea to have the OGC category on these contests, to give those who don't have the right splatbook a category of their own!

Fax Celestis
2007-01-19, 03:16 PM
That is a good idea, and an award I will probably never receive. :P

wxdruid
2007-01-19, 04:46 PM
Thank for the list Vorpal Tribble, now I can think of ones that aren't already created. :-) and didn't know the last three books had such interesting weather spells in them.....must resist buying them.....can't resist. *sigh*

Gamebird
2007-01-26, 12:30 PM
Alright everyone, put away your design contest ideas, this one wins. :)

Create a four or five man (or woman, or squishy creature) strike team, specifically designed to harass ... to make the players miserable, ...making the players' lives hell. ....the players can't just slaughter them

You mean like a group of half-troll kender liches?

MaxAtkins
2007-02-03, 12:19 AM
Maybe (like already mentioned by some1 else) an Epic thread.

My idea would be to design your own ruler. Like a King, Queen, perhaps a tyrant. And then maybe with a background of their origin, and what area they rule (more details with, like how long, how the people fare)

Chavik
2007-02-08, 10:32 AM
My design contest idea is one which would take persistence. design a sea going vessel, its history, mission and crew complement. include maps of recent or current voyages, deckplans and a bio on the captain and/or master of the vessel

Lord Iames Osari
2007-02-08, 10:35 AM
My design contest idea is one which would take persistence. design a sea going vessel, its history, mission and crew complement. include maps of recent or current voyages, deckplans and a bio on the captain and/or master of the vessel

As soon as I read that, all I could think of was this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGMvqw9olJs&mode=related&search=).

Chavik
2007-02-08, 04:00 PM
nice... i have another idea actually, one that it seems hasnt been done... how about a team contest? three-person teams each designing a character for a three-member uber-party. Maybe each entry should be made with a theme to it.. a dragon hunter team.... or perhaps something less-cliched like three thieves... or the barons three sorceress daughters (sounds nice eh?)

Amotis
2007-02-08, 04:31 PM
I don't agree with the prompt, but finally having a team contest sounds cool. (unless we already had one)

Chavik
2007-02-08, 07:47 PM
I don't agree with the prompt, but finally having a team contest sounds cool. (unless we already had one)

as far as i know there hasnt been one.... granted im a fairly new member and i havent even entered any contests yet... but this would be a chance for some of the less-experienced to work together to accomplish alot.

Bouncing Ideas of other posters is fun and all... but its just bouncing. the rules right now limit those people who arent as good in some areas ie: the whole group who are fluff-vs-stats. some people like doing stats...some like fluff.

working together will result in wicked cool characters or classes or whatever we end up doing. No matter my vote at the moment is a team contest... no matter what it is were designing.

Fireball.Man.Guy.
2007-02-14, 04:46 PM
Team contest would be fun, I'm horrible at stats, and having someone do them for me would be wicked.

MaxAtkins
2007-02-17, 02:05 AM
Team contest would be fun, I'm horrible at stats, and having someone do them for me would be wicked.

Me2!! OH OH I'm so up for this!!!
What would be needed for the pairings. People state their strong points and their weak points (my weak points are the stats and stuff, just like fireball said above, but I'm alright in creating a story line and such)
And then they get paired either: Randomly, based or their strong/weak points that would contribute eachother most, or based on their strong/weak points that would really not contribute to eachother.

This got me all excited, please can we do this!

Chavik
2007-02-19, 06:47 PM
so whaddya say all?... grop contest? if so then i think we should narrow down an idea for it...

mine so far are:

adventuring party
intelligent items
high-level NPC
deity

lemme know what you think... i hope this idea goes through...

EDIT: maybe even a short campaign setting (an involved quest-like storyline for PCs to follow), using existing races, gods etc... and just a madeup kingdom within that world

MaxAtkins
2007-02-19, 10:20 PM
I like your ideas Chavik, especially Deity, Adventuring Party and a short Campaign Setting, they all sound like topics that a team could really build on.

PhoeKun
2007-02-19, 11:50 PM
A... group competition about deities?

Oh, dear sweet gods, yes! I don't have words to describe how incredibly awesome that would be. Who do I have to butter up to make sure this happens?

*salivates*

badger
2007-02-20, 12:11 AM
I, too, think team contests would be fun to try, though I'm not sure how one works that out, logistically. Teams of how many, and how are they created?

Most of the contest ideas here revolve around villians, monsters, critters, adventurers, NPC's - All good things, and necessary to a good campaign... but I'd like to see something a little less combat orientated, for once - something that requires at least as much thinking as character buffing to deal with. How about a contest on designing the best trap -- or the best puzzle that needs solving to survive? (O.k., o.k. - I admit -- I'm an ...Indiana Jones fan. Oh, the horror!)

Chavik
2007-02-20, 08:45 AM
I like your ideas Chavik, especially Deity, Adventuring Party and a short Campaign Setting, they all sound like topics that a team could really build on.

thanks... these are the types of things me and my friends sit around and come u with... like ive said in previos posts im horrible with stats... but i have one friend who could stat up a 20th lvl NPC in 20 seconds, and one who has the core books memorized... so they help me with my campaigns sometimes if they arent going to be playing in them... thus, teamwork, thus my idea.

Duke of URL
2007-02-20, 01:11 PM
New Idea: "Build A Better Base Class"

Choose an existing base class, and re-work it as you see fit. Possibilities could include any or all of:

Adding/modifying/deleting certain class features
Re-working of the class' progressions
Breaking a class into specialized sub-classes

A complete entry should have a complete class write-up (use d20srd.org (http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/classes.htm) as a guideline) along with one or more sample characters, along with appropriate "fluff" to justify the new flavor you've added to the class.

Amotis
2007-02-20, 03:35 PM
There's almost no fluff involved with that contest though, duke of url. It seems to specific for me. What about the people who like the base classes just the way they are? No motivation.

And again I say, huzzah for a team entry! Diety and their temple/church sounds good. It's both fluff, diety making, and location making.

Fax Celestis
2007-02-20, 06:40 PM
And again I say, huzzah for a team entry! Diety and their temple/church sounds good. It's both fluff, diety making, and location making.

Seconded Thirded Fourthed n-thed.

Of course, I'd like to choose my teammate, but I could manage with random appropriation.

PhoeKun
2007-02-20, 07:38 PM
Seconded Thirded Fourthed n-thed.

Of course, I'd like to choose my teammate, but I could manage with random appropriation.

This sentiment is also echoed. Choosing teammates would be much better than randomly assigned teammates.

MaxAtkins
2007-02-20, 09:33 PM
This sentiment is also echoed. Choosing teammates would be much better than randomly assigned teammates.

indeed, but there's also this thing of having Stacked teams of 2 great people for this...

Who wants to be my teammate? :smalleek:

AngelSword
2007-02-21, 12:14 PM
Am I the only person not interested in doing a team contest?

Here's a contest idea. How about a contest where you write up stats for a character from something else (IE - video games, movies, TV, what have you)?

soylentplaid
2007-02-21, 12:19 PM
Indeed. "Make your favorite person/place/group of people/item from a preexisting fictional setting." Categories would include best character, best location, best item, best group, most faithful to material, and the usual overall best entry.

AngelSword
2007-02-21, 12:24 PM
Indeed. "Make your favorite person/place/group of people/item from a preexisting fictional setting." Categories would include best character, best location, best item, best group, most faithful to material, and the usual overall best entry.Someone likes my idea? Hooray! I'm helpful!

PhoeKun
2007-02-21, 01:06 PM
There's almost no room for creativity with that idea, though. Where's the fluff? Somebody else made it already.


indeed, but there's also this thing of having Stacked teams of 2 great people for this...

Who wants to be my teammate? :smalleek:

Randomly selected teams don't negate the chances of a "stacked" team, either. And one could argue that a team with someone like VT on it is stacked anyway, but that's another matter altogether.

I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to be your teammate (and if there aren't, then forcing one to pair up with you is only going to make things worse).

ExHunterEmerald
2007-02-21, 01:27 PM
I'm banging out a PrC right now, but I have a few suggestions...

A suite of weapons, armors, items, classes, or spells that reflect one of the following:
The seven deadly sins
The aspects of personality
Ancient heroes
Emotions

Anything that uses two definitions of the same word, or uses a play on words, both of which accurately define the object. (Example: Nightstick: A club that casts darkness! *shot*)

AngelSword
2007-02-21, 05:20 PM
There's almost no room for creativity with that idea, though. Where's the fluff? Somebody else made it already.
That's the point. How well can you make the crunch fit the fluff? The creativity in something like that is how you interpret what something or someone can do.

Phoenix Talion
2007-02-21, 09:57 PM
I dunno about teams, but I love the idea of a deity competition.

Chavik
2007-02-21, 10:04 PM
I dunno about teams, but I love the idea of a deity competition.

How about to satisfy everyones wants we have a competition and simply have a category for best team entry. Deity+ church/temple seems like its popular, so how about a deity contest with single-entry categories and team-entry categories.

MaxAtkins
2007-02-21, 10:08 PM
How about to satisfy everyones wants we have a competition and simply have a category for best team entry. Deity+ church/temple seems like its popular, so how about a deity contest with single-entry categories and team-entry categories.

That would satisfy all.
Do it!

karmuno
2007-02-21, 10:33 PM
Alright everyone, put away your design contest ideas, this one wins. :)

Create a four or five man (or woman, or squishy creature) strike team, specifically designed to harass adventuring parties. Makeup can be anything intelligent, they can use any tactics to make the players miserable, can have any mix of brute force, magic/psionics, stealthy trickery, etc., but always must remain focused on one goal: continually making the players' lives hell. Teams must have a way to escape when everything goes sideways so that the players can't just slaughter them and continue on. Essentially, recurring badguys (or, depending on the PCs, goodguys) for the players to have to somehow deal with.

Team Rocket comes to mind. Or some crazy demented interpretation of the sheep from "Jakers! The Adventures of Piggley Winks" Anybody? Anybody at all? Nobody? Fine.

Anyway, I was thinking something related to technology. That is, how to integrate some form of modern/future technology into a fantasy setting, like the ancient spaceship from the 3E DMG. I also like the deities idea, and the ruler idea, even though this sentence isn't technically gramatically correct (it's hard to satisfy my own mind).

Dareon
2007-02-22, 07:01 AM
Anything that uses two definitions of the same word, or uses a play on words, both of which accurately define the object. (Example: Nightstick: A club that casts darkness! *shot*)

I'd go for this one, but it would need to be fleshed out a bit more, to prevent entries with as little definition as the provided (and punny, though that may well be a weakness of the theme) example.

On the added ideas front, how about a dungeon that changes depending on what those going through it can do? The easiest example would be basing it off turn/rebuke undead. A cleric capable of channeling positive energy and a cleric capable of channeling negative energy would have two different experiences. The simplest would be some Summon Monster traps that summon fiendish or celestial versions depending. Things could get really interesting if you built to split the party up and had doors that detected for all the variant casting and whatnot rules. A different dungeon experience for psionicists, one for meldshapers, one for binders...

MandibleBones
2007-02-23, 12:16 AM
I'm all in favor of the deity contest with the team entry category... but that means we'd have to enter multiple times if we wanted to qualify for any of the others.

I say we try the team things, with picking partners - and a note that to qualify for the Newbie entry, BOTH partners must be newbies.

Stacking only helps if the people can work together, which isn't always the case.

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-02-23, 10:19 PM
As I've stated before, my vote is for a design your own dungeon contest. post 34 by VT has all the past contests too.

Rama_Lei
2007-03-22, 09:23 PM
Here's one semi -inspired by a music video. Translate a fairy tale into an exciting D&D adventure. Make a base class for the unlikely hero, design a magic gingerbread house, etc. Or better yet, add a twist to the known story, i.e Little Red Riding Hood being an evil druid.

MandibleBones
2007-03-27, 07:00 PM
Here's one semi -inspired by a music video. Translate a fairy tale into an exciting D&D adventure. Make a base class for the unlikely hero, design a magic gingerbread house, etc. Or better yet, add a twist to the known story, i.e Little Red Riding Hood being an evil druid.

Yes! My chance to write "Santa: The Revenge" as an adventure module :)

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-04-15, 09:31 PM
Hey, just curious since I just got back on the boards from a lengthy absence. Since the friend/foe contest is done, is there another one in the works at the moment?

soylentplaid
2007-04-15, 10:18 PM
No, but you can start one off!

Suggestion: The Construct Contest! Make a new and interesting construct creature that A) hasn't been done before, and B) isn't just an iterative ripoff or mod of a pre-existing construct ("I submit my entry: the lead golem!")

Autarch
2007-04-16, 08:49 AM
I really like the team contest idea-- and I'm pretty sure I know someone who could join me to create the ultimate newbie team :smallbiggrin:

If we did a contest about deities, what would that entail? Would it be sort of like creating your own mythology that explains the new deity you've created, or would it be more along the lines of describing their worshipers and temples?

Hoorex
2007-04-17, 08:23 PM
Perhaps an Army contest? Tactics, Leaders, objectives, and motives?

Bearofbadnews
2007-04-22, 08:29 AM
I am ready and rearing to enter the next contest, whatever it may be.

My creativity is simply bubbling forth. Though I think I will probably intentionally create something that wouldn't fly in the ToB setting, just for a change.

Autarch
2007-04-22, 10:24 AM
I am ready and rearing to enter the next contest, whatever it may be.

My creativity is simply bubbling forth. Though I think I will probably intentionally create something that wouldn't fly in the ToB setting, just for a change.

Hmm... if whatever I make fits in with ToB, it would be an accident :smallsmile: I haven't had the time it would require to search through what looks like hundreds of different threads to get an idea of what the setting actually is. Unless there is a compilation thread I haven't found yet.

Vaynor
2007-04-22, 06:56 PM
Design-A-World. Limit it to a simple, 1000-2000 word description of the world, and allow a picture or two.

Bearofbadnews
2007-04-23, 04:04 AM
First off, Vaynor, that's a cool idea. It would be a lot of fun, that's for sure.

I was thinking an interesting contest might revolve around ending a story, like the contest announcement includes a short tale without an end, relatively ambiguous in some ways, and all the entrants must finish the story and include some manner of designed material that fits with it. (long sentence, sorry)


You know, Autarch, it's a real problem. And not just for newcomers-- it's a huge pain sifting through a zillion posts to find a discussion you had months ago just to verify some population figures or what-have-you. We've tried to be good about keeping segregated threads on topic, and some threads even have table of contents type things, but most of the time you have to dig through for details.

However, there is a thread containing the main "draft" version of the final product that is updated as things are voted in. It's listed as "Tears of Blood: Current Draft". I suggest this as the best single source of info. Even after reading that, you wouldn't be totally filled in on how ongoing discussions are taking shape, but feel free to ask questions on a thread that looks appropriate, and people will probably help you out. The exciting thing is that we are getting close to deciding a lot of important stuff, so now might be an interesting time to chime in.

Lord Iames Osari
2007-05-02, 11:37 AM
My proposal:

Create a deity. You don't have to create full stats for the deity themself, or even for one of their avatars, but you do need a name, alignment, portfolio, and domains, in terms of crunch.

Fluff out the deity - origin, history, motives, goals, etc.

For crunch, you can do one of three things. You can do more than one, and you can even do something that isn't listed here, but you must do one of these three options.


Create a temple to the deity: It can be either active or abandoned, but it should have a map, descriptions of the rooms, and NPC/monsters.
Create a servant to the deity: This can either be a unique creature that serves the deity, or an entire race of extraplanar creatures that serves the deity exclusively. Either way, it should be fluffed out to a moderate degree.
Create stats for the deity themself: Pretty straightforward.And team entries should be allowed, with duplicate categories, e.g. "Best Team Temple" and "Best Individual Temple", as well as "Best Overall Temple".

What does everyone think?

AngelSword
2007-05-02, 06:53 PM
I actually like that idea. I like the option of working alone, though it seems I'm the only one.

MandibleBones
2007-05-03, 02:04 PM
No, having both options is nice :) And I really like James' suggestion as well.

Lord Iames Osari
2007-05-03, 02:11 PM
... *shrug* I was going to point out that my name's spelled with an I, not a J, but then I realized just how petty that was, especially considering that they were the effectively same letter until the 16th century.

AngelSword
2007-05-04, 02:22 AM
I like the Deity idea, as well. It'll force me to flesh out of mine.

JaronK
2007-05-04, 02:40 PM
One that I'd like, which helps out in all settings:

Create a vestige. There's already two design articals on how this should be done, balance wise. There's not enough vestiges for Binders as it stands. There's plenty of fluff to go with them too... you need a legend, a sign, how they're summoned, granted powers, etc. Each one needs to be balanced and interesting.

Could be fun. Of course, you need Tome of Magic to proceed... but I want to see more Vestiges!

JaronK

Lord Iames Osari
2007-05-04, 03:39 PM
Given that not everyone has Tome of Magic, I think it would be better to stick to something that as many people can compete in as possible. I mean, certainly, fully statting out a deity requires a splat, but it's not a required part of the contest - you can make a temple or a servant/servant race instead.

Autarch
2007-05-10, 01:52 PM
So how will I know when the contest starts?
(newish to the forums)

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-05-10, 02:17 PM
These are just ideas, Autarch. When the actual contest begins there will be a a new thread or two started giving all he details and you'll know it when you see it.

As for me, I'm neutral to the deity idea. I've written a couple recently so I'm not particularly interested in doing another, but it'd be fine by me reguardless.

There'll probably be some trick or theme to it that'll make it all the more interesting.

Fax Celestis
2007-05-10, 07:44 PM
I'd really like a society theme, perhaps in conjunction with the deity theme.

The Glyphstone
2007-05-12, 03:40 PM
I like the deity idea...

Were-Sandwich
2007-05-16, 12:39 PM
What about a Design Your Own Game contest. You could either do a game characters in the game world play, or just make up your own RPG or other type of game.

I, for one, have a zillion possible entries buried in my hardrive

Fireball.Man.Guy.
2007-05-16, 02:31 PM
Deities FTW!!! That's definately got my vote.

AngelSword
2007-05-17, 08:12 AM
What about a Design Your Own Game contest. You could either do a game characters in the game world play, or just make up your own RPG or other type of game.

I, for one, have a zillion possible entries buried in my hard drive

Damn it! I have the perfect entry for that, but it'd take FOREVER for me to flesh it out. How full of a game would it have to be, and how long would we have?

Were-Sandwich
2007-05-18, 10:27 AM
Thats not for me to decide.

FoeHammer
2007-06-07, 12:26 PM
What about a Trap-making contest? Pits, spikes. whirring blades, kobolds with scissors and 20 ranks in Profession(Mohel); whatever you can think of.

ringsnake
2007-06-13, 03:16 PM
I'd like there to be a Warlord contest. As in design an NPC warlord that's good, evil, or whatever. Specifically, a warlord that has to create plot hooks for the PCs either as an adversary, employer, or some force that travels in the same orbits as them.

Shiny, Bearer of the Pokystick
2007-06-14, 09:05 AM
What about a Design Your Own Game contest. You could either do a game characters in the game world play, or just make up your own RPG or other type of game.

I, for one, have a zillion possible entries buried in my hardrive
Hm. Well, we have an OOTS adventure game, so there's precedent.

I wouldn't mind seeing this.

Bisected8
2007-06-23, 06:59 PM
What about a contest for the best humourous set of weapons? It could include;

# A unique material
# some new characteristics
# etc

With the idea being that the weapons are a joke (literally).

Also, I'm new to this part of the forum, how long is it likely to be before a new contest starts?

The Vorpal Tribble
2007-06-23, 07:35 PM
I heard someone mention on another thread how cool it'd be to make some kind of urban legend. I'd personally find that quite interesting :smallbiggrin:

Roland St. Jude
2007-06-23, 07:45 PM
What about a contest for the best humourous set of weapons? It could include;

# A unique material
# some new characteristics
# etc

With the idea being that the weapons are a joke (literally).

Swordchucks, yo?



Also, I'm new to this part of the forum, how long is it likely to be before a new contest starts?

There'll probably be one posted sometime in July. No promises, however.

Dorizzit
2007-06-24, 09:37 AM
heh. Swordchucks...

Bisected8
2007-06-24, 02:34 PM
And risk the wrath of BM? Think again.

DraPrime
2007-06-24, 10:52 PM
I've always thought that it would be cool if we did a complete redo of the Lords of the Nine. Simply remake hell and it's nine levels. Create a new lord for each level and see who made the best hell. Also a new type of devil (not counting as one of the lords of the nine) could be thrown in. Remaking hell is very cool in my opinion.

Duke of URL
2007-06-25, 06:57 AM
Simply remake hell and it's nine levels. Create a new lord for each level and see who made the best hell. Also a new type of devil (not counting as one of the lords of the nine) could be thrown in. Remaking hell is very cool in my opinion.

I am SO going for a humor entry if this one gets chosen.

DraPrime
2007-06-27, 05:08 PM
I am SO going for a humor entry if this one gets chosen.

I think we should have a Most Evil entry if that one gets picked, not a humor entry.

Bisected8
2007-07-01, 08:14 AM
Its probably been done/suggested before but what about a contest on the best dungeon/campaign/etc based on a real event?

DraPrime
2007-07-01, 12:53 PM
Its probably been done/suggested before but what about a contest on the best dungeon/campaign/etc based on a real event?

So basically we'd make something for d20 history?

Poppatomus
2007-07-02, 04:37 PM
This was brought up by theescapist here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49359) but I think "fill in the blank" would be an interesting contest to run. Either pick a particular mystery or have the entrants pick their favorite and go from there. Depending on the selected "blank" entries could take the form of monsters, settings, items, even individual characters, or a suite there of.

The Demented One
2007-07-16, 03:01 AM
Make a...


Set of related items
Artifact
Spellbook and spells to go with it
Plane or cosmology
Legendary NPC
Villainous/Heroic organization
Church or cult
Dragon

Cryopyre
2007-08-14, 07:58 AM
Design a city on an elemental plane built by mortals from the material one.

Thistle
2007-08-14, 10:41 AM
Create a place that is out of its normal time (trapped in a time loop, frozen in stasis, transported to the future/past)

Make a civilization/city that is about to be destroyed by an imminent catastrophe.

Make a fountain of youth and it guardian.

Design a character in the ďautumnĒ of their lives.

The Glyphstone
2007-09-04, 06:50 AM
So basically we'd make something for d20 history?

No, I think he meant taking real-world events and replacing them into a D&D context. Like, I dunno....remaking Thermopolae (sp?), only instead of 300 Spartans and a bunch of Persians, it's 300 Dwarven Defenders and a horde of orc barbarians. Then, give the PC's a place to...I dunno, kill off the orcish Tarrasque cavalry or assassinate the High Warchief, and maybe change the course of "history".

Bisected8
2007-09-05, 05:00 PM
No, I think he meant taking real-world events and replacing them into a D&D context. Like, I dunno....remaking Thermopolae (sp?), only instead of 300 Spartans and a bunch of Persians, it's 300 Dwarven Defenders and a horde of orc barbarians. Then, give the PC's a place to...I dunno, kill off the orcish Tarrasque cavalry or assassinate the High Warchief, and maybe change the course of "history".

That's pretty much what I meant.

StickMan
2007-09-05, 08:13 PM
Why not just do something simple like build a PC race and its culture, what items does this race use, what kinds of magic does it use to get along in the world it lives in. What monster does it most offten does it come into contract with or how did it make said monster, or a subrace such as the Drow to the Elfs, that is a twisted version of the basic race. Domesticated species, and race PRC would be good as well. Also religion and gods should be made.

But then thats just the thing I like to do so don't hate me if you think that is boring.

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2007-09-07, 10:15 PM
I second Demeted's idea about a church or cult. It might be a little close to the pantheon contest, but I think it's different enough that it will work.

StickMan
2007-09-08, 12:10 PM
I like the Church/Cult idea as well.

MandibleBones
2007-09-09, 12:35 PM
Thirded, if that can be a word today. I could have some fun with it.

Duke of URL
2007-09-10, 09:17 AM
Contest Suggestion: Design a "civilization" of some sort based on existing races. Anything from a tribe to an empire; define it's basic history, philosophy, political structure, organization(s), religion(s), magic level, technology level, and common PC/NPC classes and/or specialties.

DraPrime
2007-09-10, 08:11 PM
I definitely like the cult idea. I also suggest that we should make now instead of a layer of hell a celestial plane for contrast.

Renrik
2007-09-24, 10:47 PM
*Newcomer to this part of the forums*

Cults, warlords, fountains of youth, legendary NPCs, or world civilization are all fun.

Or dragon's lairs? Design one dragon's lair. You could really elaborate, with stuff like minions and traps and such. No need for a simple cave! Of course, anyone who rips off a lair from the Draconomicon gets dragged out back and beaten to death with a brick.

MandibleBones
2007-09-26, 10:41 AM
Ooh! I really like the dragon's lair idea - of course, designing the dragon to go with it would be half the fun.

Bisected8
2007-10-04, 10:54 PM
Just a thought I came up with; What about a plane or something which explains a mechanic in the D&D universe. For example;


The flow of positive and negative energy
Directing the various summonings of creatures and beings
Deciding the fates of specific and notable individuals (basically an in-game DM)


As a set of criteria;


A plane which fits the above description
One example of native wildlife
A controlling race, who decide how things work, or just act as caretakers
Several minor artifacts (identical or otherwise) which are vital to its functioning
A guardian of some sort which fits into the plane's theme

AKA_Bait
2007-10-05, 09:29 AM
Ooh! I really like the dragon's lair idea - of course, designing the dragon to go with it would be half the fun.

I like the dragon lair idea as well.

rollfrenzy
2007-10-05, 09:56 AM
Hello, I have been wanting to cut my teeth on a contest for a while, but was too late for Helles Belles. Any idea when the next "monthly" contest is going to be?

DraPrime
2007-10-09, 07:22 AM
Whenever Roland St. Jude feels like it.

Roland St. Jude
2007-10-09, 04:26 PM
Whenever Roland St. Jude feels like it.

Well-said, though certainly any staff member could run a contest. Recently, I was running them monthly, but instead of the desired boost in interest and participation, the numbers actually dwindled. By the last couple, we were down to six entries and four voters. Sad. :smallsigh: It's a lot of administrative work for six entries (and it's a bit disturbing that only four of the entrants took the time to vote.)

So it's on a hiatus right now, and will be back when some staff member decides to run another one. I suspect it will be me in November or December, but only time will tell. By all means, keep posting your ideas though.

Fax Celestis
2007-10-09, 04:29 PM
Well-said, though certainly any staff member could run a contest. Recently, I was running them monthly, but instead of the desired boost in interest and participation, the numbers actually dwindled. By the last couple, we were down to six entries and four voters. Sad. :smallsigh: It's a lot of administrative work for six entries (and it's a bit disturbing that only four of the entrants took the time to vote.)

So it's on a hiatus right now, and will be back when some staff member decides to run another one. I suspect it will be me in November or December, but only time will tell. By all means, keep posting your ideas though.

I suppose there's no potential, then, for a non-staff member to run a contest?

Roland St. Jude
2007-10-09, 05:48 PM
I suppose there's no potential, then, for a non-staff member to run a contest?

Not an official one, no. (Which also means, not in this sub-forum, no.) But you could run something unofficial over in Homebrew, I suppose. Though certain limits may apply even there.

Fiery Justice
2007-10-16, 05:59 PM
These are the contests that have been done thus far in reverse chronological order (last to first):
Library (Library)
Female Dominated Unholy Plane (Hell's Bells)
An NPC of Interest (Friend/Foe)
Rival for a goal (Rivalry)
Gift
Template (Indigo Template)
Pirate
Organization (Summer Organization)
Psionic
Tavern
NPC based off pictures. (Portrait)
Monster Conetest
City with a Tourist Attraction
Design A Party of Adventurers
Magic Items
Festival
Make a Pantheon
Set of Spells
Prestige Class based off Screen Name

Having now eliminated all of those ideas here are some I'd like to see done:
1. A Prophecy (Because throwing players through a loop of predeterminism is fun)
2. A Afterlife (To see where the Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic/Neutral go when they die)
3. A Charity (To see what Good is done outside adventuring)
4. A Mystery Religon type thing (to contrast the standard Pantheon approach)
5. A Family (Big or small, could be very interesting)

I'll come up with some more later, but those are my ideas for now.

Lord Iames Osari
2007-10-19, 12:06 AM
Having now eliminated all of those ideas here are some I'd like to see done:
1. A Prophecy (Because throwing players through a loop of predeterminism is fun)
2. A Afterlife (To see where the Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic/Neutral go when they die)
3. A Charity (To see what Good is done outside adventuring)
4. A Mystery Religon type thing (to contrast the standard Pantheon approach)
5. A Family (Big or small, could be very interesting)

I'll come up with some more later, but those are my ideas for now.

I like all of those.

Fiery Justice
2007-10-19, 04:50 PM
Keeping up my list (because I'd like to do anything I suggest, therefore if I spam suggest enough things, higher chance of a mod liking one.):
6. A Game/Contest (Like the Olympics. Or Poker. Or the bobsled races. Or Dice.)
7. An Heirloom. (They could be magical or not magical, it'd be fun.)
8. A Prison/Containment Area (You could do prisoners, jailers, and, if you like, the confessor. OR not.)
9. A Memorial. (To give a sense of history, of the past, and for juicy plothooks)
10. A Graveyard/Grave. (Final resting places, even lacking the undead, are downright intriguing.)
11. A Curse. (The questions, On Who/What? Why? By Who? How? Are ripe with potential)
12. A Caravan/Shop (What they sell, how they sell it, why, all intriguing questions if your trying to be complex. Dull if not of course.)
13. A House (Abandoned, occupied, enchanted, haunted, the variety of options is intriguing and some houses have a lot of history.)
14. A Forest/Garden/Grove/Whatever (Forests are a classic fantasy setting, and horribly underused, this one could be seriously interesting.)
15. A Ship (A crew, its captain, the ship's cargo, a vaguely defined destination, even on shore the effects of a large ship are amazing and, unfortunately, nautical games are underused, so "classic" plothooks can be used.)
16. A Scam (The conmen, the con, the conned, it'd all be fun, and there's a lot of variety because of the options.)
17. A Feud (Feuds being what they are it could be between nations, individuals, families, businesses, whatever.)
18. A School/Monastary (Schools are just plain rare in the past, and every college that existed in the medieval past had patrons, teachers, and a whole buttload of interesting stuff.)
19. A Conspiracy (Hiding secrets, plotting to murder the king, or what have you, conspiracies are FUN, and as we all know, the bigger the conspiracy, the higher probability of breakdown.)

Beyond those, I liked to mention that, having suggested all these, about half of them have been suggested before in this very thread I am so ashamed of my lack of originality, because I just sat here and made these up and read the thread afterwards. But their still good ideas.

stolenchariot
2007-10-28, 09:46 PM
I second the idea of a family. Perhaps say the family may even be a surrogate one?

Inyssius Tor
2007-12-11, 03:48 PM
I like "church or cult", with emphasis on the actual location and churchgoers/clergy/cultists.

Fax Celestis
2008-01-16, 05:29 PM
What about a new skill and its applications?

Lord Iames Osari
2008-01-22, 12:31 PM
What about a new skill and its applications?

That would be interesting from a mechanical point of view, but where does the fluff come in?

Neek
2008-01-22, 12:40 PM
That would be interesting from a mechanical point of view, but where does the fluff come in?

Hmm... add in, a). a character who is a master at this skill, b). a masterwork item for this skill, &c.

Lord Iames Osari
2008-01-22, 12:54 PM
Hmm. What about designing a monk fighting style (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#monkVariantFightingSty les), along with an associated master, history, monastery, or something to that effect?

Bisected8
2008-01-22, 01:51 PM
Its a bit cheesy, but what about a major artifact weapon or armour? Complete with a back story, some sort of final resting place, a notable owner (statted out), something big and nasty it was used to defeat (also statted) and a guardian of its final restign place (yet again, statted out).

Fax Celestis
2008-01-22, 02:28 PM
Its a bit cheesy, but what about a major artifact weapon or armour? Complete with a back story, some sort of final resting place, a notable owner (statted out), something big and nasty it was used to defeat (also statted) and a guardian of its final restign place (yet again, statted out).

So, an Arsenal contest. Hm. I think that could work.

RTGoodman
2008-01-23, 12:43 AM
Hmm. What about designing a monk fighting style (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#monkVariantFightingSty les), along with an associated master, history, monastery, or something to that effect?

I was thinking something along these lines, but less specific - how about a contest for new Core Class Variants (like these (http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/variantClasses.htm)) or something like that?

Goats_o_Mjolnir
2008-01-24, 08:43 PM
How about a design for a class(s) that make superpowers easy to use with the D20 system? you could also include relevant skills/origin feats/templates/organizatikns and the like.

Rodgin
2008-01-25, 05:57 AM
How about a design for a class(s) that make superpowers easy to use with the D20 system? you could also include relevant skills/origin feats/templates/organizatikns and the like.

You mean a "Superhero" class, but laid out into a 20 level progression that allows you to build superpowers?

Hmmm, intriguing.

Goats_o_Mjolnir
2008-01-25, 11:01 AM
yes, exactly ;)

Neek
2008-01-25, 01:26 PM
This is an idea I can stand behind.

Lord Iames Osari
2008-01-25, 04:55 PM
You mean a "Superhero" class, but laid out into a 20 level progression that allows you to build superpowers?

Hmmm, intriguing.

I think normal D&D (or d20 Modern) classes already do a pretty good job of this. Besides, superpowers cover too much ground to be really representable by a single class.

Shademan
2008-01-30, 05:45 AM
how about this?
"create a ORIGINAL villain!"

Lord Iames Osari
2008-01-30, 03:15 PM
how about this?
"create a ORIGINAL villain!"

I'm not sure that's possible. Everything is derivative on some level or another.

Fax Celestis
2008-01-30, 04:26 PM
What about a modification of "real-world" magic to fit into D&D terms? Astrology, cartomancy, sacrificial divination, runecasting...

Lord Iames Osari
2008-01-30, 10:00 PM
Or, we could design an in-character game of some kind, like a card game or boardgame.

Malic
2008-02-02, 06:06 PM
What about a hand drawn map contest. Although you would need access to scanner. It seems to be the only thing I'm good at making aside from fluff.

Also I'm kinda new to this part of the forum.

Fax Celestis
2008-02-02, 06:13 PM
Also I'm kinda new to this part of the forum.

Welcome aboard the good ship Slowly Sinking.

Malic
2008-02-02, 06:22 PM
Well atleast that means I don't have to trip anyone on the way to the life boats :smalltongue:

And thanks.

Kellus
2008-02-02, 10:50 PM
How about a new class of weapons or armour?

Faithdreamer
2008-02-03, 02:30 AM
-BBEGís House (They canít live in the booby trapped stronghold every day itís unsafe and gloomy)
-Set of linked magical items
-A sentient treasure
-A new plane of existence
-The Prophesy for a BBEG
-Devious new trap
-Dungeon of Doom (Show that Horrible Tomb where it belongs!)
-A ship that sails the seas
-Interior decorations
-Foodstuffs (A magic CHESSNUT! The FLY SWATTER of DEATH! You remember that.)
-The Curtailing Curtain
-A new urban business
-The most complicated, flashy useless magic spell they thought up
-The drum stick

Caracol
2008-02-06, 07:55 PM
How about an alchemic system that actually works, with ingredients and specialization and stuff, all-natural, no spells involved.

Lord Iames Osari
2008-02-07, 01:26 PM
How about an alchemic system that actually works, with ingredients and specialization and stuff, all-natural, no spells involved.
That would be called "chemistry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry)".

Caracol
2008-02-07, 01:33 PM
That would be called "chemistry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry)".

I know, but chemistry in DnD doesn't sound enough "misterious".
Anyway, I'm making this system right now and I'll post it in Homebrew. Please give me advices and ideas.

Lord Iames Osari
2008-02-07, 01:43 PM
I know, but chemistry in DnD doesn't sound enough "misterious".
Anyway, I'm making this system right now and I'll post it in Homebrew. Please give me advices and ideas.
But I don't think a whole system for chemistry is necessary. Just use Craft (alchemy) and knowledge of RL chemistry.

"My character wants to see what happens when I mix saltpeter, charcoal, and sulfur".

"Roll Craft (alchemy)."

*rolls* "Crap, I got a 1. With my bonus that's an 11, though. Do I make it?"

"You mixed it properly, but left it near an open flame. Your lab is destroyed by the explosion."

Caracol
2008-02-07, 01:52 PM
But I don't think a whole system for chemistry is necessary. Just use Craft (alchemy) and knowledge of RL chemistry.


Of course is not necessary, but making it can make Alchemy in DnD more appealing and the setting you are more descriptive.



"My character wants to see what happens when I mix saltpeter, charcoal, and sulfur".

"Roll Craft (alchemy)."

*rolls* "Crap, I got a 1. With my bonus that's an 11, though. Do I make it?"

"You mixed it properly, but left it near an open flame. Your lab is destroyed by the explosion."

Lol.

Lord Iames Osari
2008-02-07, 01:58 PM
Then let me expand: I don't think it's desirable, either. You're adding on an entire new subsystem rife with complexity when it's completely unnecessary (as you just admitted).

purple gelatinous cube o' Doom
2008-02-07, 02:07 PM
I second the BBEG lair/castle/cave/tower etc. idea.

Faithdreamer
2008-02-07, 06:19 PM
You cubical purple gelatinous cube it's not a castle it's a house.

The tasteful BBEG lives in comfort because dangerous monster trap ridden disasters waiting to happen aren't very nice to live in. Dank smelly mines full with corpses?

I want fluffy pillows, cozy decor, an indoor bath and lavatory in a seperate room, rooftop gardens, art gallery, library, dining room, main hall, foyer, bedrooms, kitchen, orchard, veranda, balcony, enchanted whatzits...

I can go on all week. Where would you rather live?

Smelly Corpses... Cozy Mansion... :smallconfused:

Hmm...

They'd be proud to have Mom here. Worry free accomodations so you don't have to step on the wrong tile and take a nice stroll into a slime filled flesh eating pit to the abyss.
Include common sense items like the Snow-White Toothbrush, the Planar Gate Pot to Planes of Orderly Sanitation, World-on-the-other-side-of-the-picture-frame, Soft Towel of Immaculate Skin, Flaming Skeleton in the Fireplace, Gloomy Drapes of Depression, Lustrous Shampoo (all it really does is glitter in the bottle), Riddles the Door Knocker, Coffers Coffin to store all your gold for that elegant vampire who wants everyone to think they have spawn when they don't...

...the Shimmering Scales of Merchantile Tranqulity?

Malic
2008-02-07, 10:59 PM
I third the BBEG house thing...But (dun dun dun) only if we get to make a BBEG to live in it.

Bisected8
2008-02-09, 11:01 AM
Or, we could design an in-character game of some kind, like a card game or boardgame.

Do you mean a game within the game of D&D (like the FF series has had card games and such like)? Because that would be awesome.

Fax Celestis
2008-02-09, 11:58 AM
Do you mean a game within the game of D&D (like the FF series has had card games and such like)? Because that would be awesome.

That would be neat.

Everyman
2008-02-09, 02:23 PM
You know, a [LAIR] contest would be a loads of fun. There are just so many aspects one could judge by...

1) Best Overall Lair
2) Best Master
3) Best Defenses
4) Most Creative Lair
5) Best Layout (map?)

The list goes on and on. Tack on some crunch creation (a magic item, feat, etc) and you've got one nice looking contest.

Of course, I also think the above "game" idea would be a hoot to do as well. It would really depend on what limits and criteria we would have to hold ourselves to.

Lord Iames Osari
2008-02-09, 07:16 PM
Do you mean a game within the game of D&D (like the FF series has had card games and such like)? Because that would be awesome.
Exactly like that.

Faithdreamer
2008-02-09, 10:14 PM
You mean making something like the tavern dice games they sell for us to decide who gets the treasure. That might be fun as long as the idea was creative and easily understood. Not that I'd help, I don't like doing those things.

Or like Order of the Stick card games... making a different kind of game seems odd aren't these design contests about contributing to Dungeons and Dragons?

Swordlol
2008-02-10, 05:17 PM
You know, a [LAIR] contest would be a loads of fun. There are just so many aspects one could judge by...

1) Best Overall Lair
2) Best Master
3) Best Defenses
4) Most Creative Lair
5) Best Layout (map?)

The list goes on and on. Tack on some crunch creation (a magic item, feat, etc) and you've got one nice looking contest.

Of course, I also think the above "game" idea would be a hoot to do as well. It would really depend on what limits and criteria we would have to hold ourselves to.

I would participate in something like this.

Lord Iames Osari
2008-02-10, 08:55 PM
You mean making something like the tavern dice games they sell for us to decide who gets the treasure. That might be fun as long as the idea was creative and easily understood. Not that I'd help, I don't like doing those things.

Or like Order of the Stick card games... making a different kind of game seems odd aren't these design contests about contributing to Dungeons and Dragons?
Like the first one.

Faithdreamer
2008-02-12, 04:54 AM
How do we figure out what rules to use?
Without creativity all we have is rolling a dice handful with flavour pitched in and no one wants something twice.

Examples
Your game uses dice to add an element of chance to monster tokens. Each token has a strength/mind/soul rating. If an adventurer is savvy enough they can outwit their insidious colleague and capture more monster tokens (Chaos Deck of Many Things?)

Bisected8
2008-02-12, 08:13 AM
Maybe it could consist of;


A simple mechanic for the meta game
Fluff (orgins, societies which play it, etc)
A "proffesional" contest of some sort?
A champion of said game (complete with stats)?

Lord Iames Osari
2008-02-13, 04:09 PM
I was actually thinking of creating rules for an actual game - like a chess equivalent, for example.

AngelSword
2008-02-13, 04:23 PM
I was actually thinking of creating rules for an actual game - like a chess equivalent, for example.
I think that chess is vague enough to work in a pseudo-European/Medieval setting.

The idea of an in-game/stand-alone game has been done before. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who's played 3 Dragon Ante in a game.

Everyman
2008-02-16, 01:42 AM
It actually works quite well, especially for skill monkeys. The real trick is making sure the game itself has no enormous impact on the economy or world, without the direct intervention of characters like the PCs or major NPCs. TDA is a great card game in a small tavern, but can quickly make a mess of party economics with a good or bad hand. Frankly, "I bet my 5 cp" doesn't quite measure up to "I wager my +4 sword of butt-whomping". Of course, those problems can be balanced with a good DM. The problem really only arises with an overly-pleasing DM.

I would prefer to do the [LAIR] suggestion, but a [GAME] contest would be fun as well.

Faithdreamer
2008-02-17, 06:18 AM
It's not a LAIR you'll call it by the proper name - house.

But I'd love watching a Lair contest, too.

Kellus
2008-02-18, 01:43 AM
Yeah, a [LAIR] contest would be brilliant. So many cool possibilities.

Faithdreamer
2008-02-18, 10:03 AM
Please give me a glare smile face. :smallannoyed:

EDIT: I love you all! (Has anyone ever seen Justice League?)

journeyman
2008-03-11, 01:08 AM
There's an archtype occasionally seen in anime I'm rather fond of and I'd like to see what the members here can do with it. I suggest a contest based on the concept of "The Merciful Warrior", a character who defeats his enemies without killing them.

Faithdreamer
2008-03-11, 07:02 PM
I love that idea journeyman I see it all the time. I'd like a contest like that one.

thevorpalbunny
2008-03-11, 08:41 PM
The problem with making games is that any game which would be extremely wide-spread in a medieval setting would probably be very simple. before mass-produced games, it was hard for a game to spread quickly unless people could make their own pieces.
That's my main gripe with TDA, actually. It breaks verisimilitude by claiming to be the card game that D&D characters play. If my teenage sister (or my middle-aged parents, for that matter) can't understand it after half an hour, it's not likely to catch on in a semi-medieval setting.

D_Lord
2008-03-29, 12:11 AM
How about a contest wen you make the most scarest monster you can think of.

Everyman
2008-04-06, 09:54 AM
Goodness, it's been a while since the last contest...well, I'll just drop off my suggestion at the door and be on my way. Perhaps a list of new base classes would be interesting. On what standards we would judge them I'm afraid I'm not 100% sure of right now.

lord of pixies
2008-04-20, 10:04 PM
best government system

best bbeg,(backstory included)

Azarash
2008-05-02, 06:34 AM
I also agree with creating a new set of core clasess, as well as the (LAIR) idea they both seem prety challenging. and in very different levels.

Hairb
2008-05-02, 07:02 AM
Just as a thought:
Most interesting/ original system of law enforcement.

Not really sure what this would entail, but a run down of the laws and customs of the jurisdiction for starters. A desc. of the organisation responsible, even down to stats for commanders, generic watchmen. New feats or prestige classes, even.

qube
2008-05-04, 05:27 AM
hmmm ... how about populating a village?

Contest: Make a family and friends (about 10 people or more.) , and work out the characters in the city.

Afterward, people can actually use them: putting all applications in a single city, creating a big city where every character has his background story, friends, enemies ...

I'dd say use PC and NPC classes, levels between 1 and 10 ...


Afterward, follow-up contest can be:
- small hamlets around the city
- tribes of enemies in the area ... etc.
In the end you can have an entire campaign setting's world for free ...

RS14
2008-05-14, 07:39 PM
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle

Create some structure, vessel, or region which has been repurposed by new owners. The new owners can be legitimate or illegitimate, many or few, powerful or weak, but they must make some dramatic change to this holding.

Zyme
2008-05-22, 06:49 PM
Most impenetrable fortress ever...

BooNL
2008-05-25, 11:48 AM
You know, a [LAIR] contest would be a loads of fun. There are just so many aspects one could judge by...

1) Best Overall Lair
2) Best Master
3) Best Defenses
4) Most Creative Lair
5) Best Layout (map?)

The list goes on and on. Tack on some crunch creation (a magic item, feat, etc) and you've got one nice looking contest.

Of course, I also think the above "game" idea would be a hoot to do as well. It would really depend on what limits and criteria we would have to hold ourselves to.

This sounds like a cool design contest. I never got to finish my entry for the Isle, which is a bit of a shame.

It should be judged on inhabitants too. Nothing was as painful like the old Warhammer Quest lairs where goblins had lunch with skeletons and dark elves...

+1 vote to [LAIR]!

OneFamiliarFace
2008-05-26, 06:41 AM
I like the idea of both the game within the game and the repurposed item, place, or thing.

The problem of the game being too complicated need not be an issue. Looking at the Goliaths in Races of Stone, for example, they have a few simple (and sometimes fun games in there). If the game is more complicated, then maybe only nobles can play it (like croquet, polo, chess, and tennis). A possible voting point could be "best social integration of sport" or something like that (like class divides, or soccer riots, or what have you). I've been of a mind to make a use out of the orc shotput since way back in the days of Sword and Fist. Then again, now we'd have to change all the rules when 4th edition is released!

All that being typed, will another contest be scheduled? It appears as though the Library one was not the only one that was, but I can't find any of the others. Though, I would like to, as they are fantastic idea generators. Maybe they just felt it couldn't be beat?

BooNL
2008-05-26, 11:26 AM
Tip, on the bottom of the forum you can check a box which limits the age of the threads. If you turn off that restriction you can see all the threads since this forum was made.

Cheers.

JGPyre
2008-06-11, 12:26 AM
How does one of these contests actually get kicked off?

I like the lair idea, the game idea, and the merciful warrior idea... and I really like the law-enforcement idea.

Let's get one of these bitches started!

AngelSword
2008-06-11, 01:04 AM
How does one of these contests actually get kicked off?

I like the lair idea, the game idea, and the merciful warrior idea... and I really like the law-enforcement idea.

Let's get one of these bitches started!

Normally, the moderation decides what contests to run, and how long it will run. Unfortunately due in most part to the lackluster turnout for the last few, they have somewhat put contests on the back burner for the time being.

JGPyre
2008-06-11, 11:35 AM
Bummer.

I guess I'll try to keep looking, though. About twice every year I get a rush of creative energy that ends up directing itself at D&D, and that's the spot I'm at right now. Maybe something interesting will come out in the next little bit.

AngelSword
2008-06-11, 05:14 PM
Bummer.

I guess I'll try to keep looking, though. About twice every year I get a rush of creative energy that ends up directing itself at D&D, and that's the spot I'm at right now. Maybe something interesting will come out in the next little bit.

Well, the Homebrew forum is always open.

The Vorpal Tribble
2008-06-14, 07:38 PM
Bummer.

I guess I'll try to keep looking, though. About twice every year I get a rush of creative energy that ends up directing itself at D&D, and that's the spot I'm at right now. Maybe something interesting will come out in the next little bit.
Feel free to try my monthly monster making contest that's linked in my signature. This month you have to make it an epic being, plus actually write an epic of some kind to go along with it.

I'm not even really that busy for the first time in months, so I could even run a contest here to, one of those suggested, if the admins are busy.

dman11235
2008-06-22, 11:18 PM
And my (newly begun) PrC creation contest. The current one is in voting stage, and the next one comes on the 1st.

Myatar_Panwar
2008-06-22, 11:26 PM
I've never actually participated in one of the contests here, but I would totally sign up for the Lair one if your ran it in the Homebrew section VT, or if the Mods ran it here or whatever.

When you all say "lair" I assume your talking about a one-time dungeon crawl kind of deal, like the Tomb of Horrors would be the lair to the lich living there (kind of, and forgot his name...)?

AngelSword
2008-06-23, 07:40 AM
Unless I'm mistaken, only official contests can be run in this forum. Anything else needs to be in the homebrew section.

Zyme
2008-11-08, 12:46 PM
When FR come up, I think the most effective gun user would be a fun challenge. Those weapons are poor enough to start with, I wonder if you could make them feasable, somewhere on the level of a regular archer.