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Tanuki Tales
2013-07-20, 03:13 PM
Welcome Ladies and Gentleman to the second Giant in the Playground Pathfinder Grab Bag competition chat thread. The purpose of this thread is to house any questions, comments or discussions concerning the contest itself and/or the entries for this month's festivities.

As the title denotes, this is a contest exclusively for Pathfinder material. If you are more of a fan of Dungeons and Dragons (specifically the 3.X editions), please check out one of these wonderful contests:

Base Class Challenge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181782)
GitP Prestige Class Contest
New Monster Competition


And if you're curious, here's the previous chat thread!

This month's contest is...


I, Construct


"A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law."



Previous Competitions
Creepy Crawlers
Path to Castle Ravenloft
Playgrounders Assemble!
A Homebrew by any other Name...
Semper Fi! Do or Die!
A Day in the Life
Saturday Morning Nostalgia
Fear Itself
On the Origins of Species
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!
Oaths and Resolutions
Homebrew! I choose you!
Of Dragons and Dungeons
Spell it Out for Us
Gamer's Gambit
Once More; with Feeling!
Call of a Hero
They're All Grown Up
How the !@#$?
Those that Came Before
Mad Man in a Magic Box
Third Law
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
Taste My Steel!
Tactical Genius!
Pick a God and Pray

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-20, 03:14 PM
Past Entries Archive

Competitions I - X

{table=head]Entry Name|Creator|Entry Type|Competition|Notes
Pack Master (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12826225&postcount=6)|BelGareth|Prestige Class|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|-
Swarmlord (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12826225&postcount=7)|Tarvon000|Base Class|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|-
Worm-Eaten Collective (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12826225&postcount=8)|Golden Ladybug|Template|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|Third Place Winner
Theg (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12826225&postcount=9)|Kane0|Race|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Spider Blood Assassin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12826225&postcount=10)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|First Place Winner
Bastinoi (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12826225&postcount=11)|Mulletmanalive|Race|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|-
Sanguine Inquisitor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12992060&postcount=6)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC II: Path to Castle Ravenloft|First Place Winner
Paranormal Seeker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12992060&postcount=8)|Golden Ladybug|Prestige Class|PGBC II: Path to Castle Ravenloft|Third Place Winner
Grey Men (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12992060&postcount=10)|TARDIS|Monster|PGBC II: Path to Castle Ravenloft|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Tainted Scion of Venom (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13160906&postcount=6)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble!|Second Place Winner
Waspling (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13160906&postcount=7)|Golden Ladybug|Monster|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble!|Third Place Winner
Titan of Steel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13160906&postcount=8)|masterstalker2|Base Class|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble!|Incomplete Entry
Olympian (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13160906&postcount=11)|Midwoka|Base Class|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble!|First Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Necro-Ranger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13334987&postcount=6)|masterstalker2|Base Class|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|Incomplete Entry
Warp Wolves (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13334987&postcount=7)|Warpwolf16|Race|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|Third Place Winner
Khan (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13334987&postcount=8)|Kon Lesh|Prestige Class|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|Second Place Winner
Midwokans (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13334987&postcount=11)|Midwoka|Race|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|First Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Sumran Warcaster (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13487257&postcount=5)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Third Place Winner
Unnamed Race (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13487257&postcount=6)|masterstalker2|Race|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Incomplete Entry
Gatorfolk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13487257&postcount=7)|Warpwolf16|Race|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|-
Myrmaton (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13487257&postcount=9)|Midwoka|Monster|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Legion of One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13487257&postcount=10)|Realms of Chaos|Prestige Class|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|First Place Winner
Kylanth (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13656041&postcount=3)|Milo v3|Race|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Kithkin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13656041&postcount=4)|TARDIS|Race|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|-
Nafairi (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13656041&postcount=5)|Deviston|Race|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|Third Place Winner
Rhox (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13656041&postcount=6)|DawnbringerSO|Race|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|-
Mutant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13656041&postcount=7)|Warpwolf16|Race|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|-
Lagi (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13656041&postcount=10)|Midwoka|Race|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|First Place Winner
Swift Kinetic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13824168&postcount=6)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|-
Uncontrollable Titan (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13824920&postcount=7)|devilingreye|Prestige Class|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Third Place Winner
Alchemical Hunter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13929255&postcount=8)|Warpwolf16|Prestige Class|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|-
Rocket Knight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13976471&postcount=9)|Midwoka|Prestige Class|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Second Place Winner
The Iron Man (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13984505&postcount=10)|ErrantX|Base Class|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|First Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Fearmonger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14007101&postcount=7)|Kane0|Prestige Class|PGBC VIII: Fear Itself|Second Place Winner
Fear Eater (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14049513&postcount=9)|Mathias1313|Prestige Class|PGBC VIII: Fear Itself|Disqualified Entry
Living Hive (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14052276&postcount=10)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC VIII: Fear Itself|First Place Winner
Returner of Old (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14213120&postcount=6)|Milo v3|Prestige Class|PGBC IX: On the Origin of Species|Incomplete Entry
Quirksteed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14219333&postcount=7)|Kane0|Monster|PGBC IX: On the Origin of Species|Second Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play and Most Unique Entry
The Shaman (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14292359&postcount=10)|tallonRook|Base Class|PGBC IX: On the Origin of Species|First Place Winner
Atavist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14327786&postcount=12)|grimgrin|Race|PGBC IX: On the Origin of Species|Third Place Winner and Judge's Choice
Present Surprise (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14311410&postcount=6)|ShadowFireLance|Monster|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Incomplete Entry
Winter Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14346829&postcount=7)|4th Number|Prestige Class|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|First Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play, Most Unique Entry, and Judge's Choice
Defender of the North (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14421501&postcount=10)|Razanir|Prestige Class|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Second Place Winner
Sainesti (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14437685&postcount=12)|Milo v3|Race|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Third Place Winner
[/table]


Competitions XI - XX

{table=head]Entry Name|Creator|Entry Type|Competition|Notes
The Axiopact (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14466295&postcount=6)|Kane0|Prestige Class|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|Runner Up and Most Unique Entry
Solarsworn (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14490020&postcount=7)|4th Number|Prestige Class|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|Third Place Winner and Judge's Choice
Pact Bound Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14516364&postcount=8)/Extra Pacts (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14622779&postcount=10)|DawnbringerSO|Base Class|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Contractor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14625290&postcount=11)/Spheres (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14625297&postcount=12)/Techniques (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14625305&postcount=13)/Alternate Class Features (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14625317&postcount=14)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|First Place Winner
Pokemaster (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14647387&postcount=6)|Kane0|Base Class|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I Choose You!|Incomplete Entry
Duel Summoner (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14648714&postcount=7)|Morph Bark|Base Class|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I Choose You!|Incomplete Entry
Hollowed Spirit (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14654170&postcount=8)|Milo v3|Monster|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I Choose You!|Incomplete Entry
Unnamed Class (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14658214&postcount=9)|4th Number|Base Class|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I Choose You!|Incomplete Entry
Steelix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14682944&postcount=10)|DawnbringerSO|Monster|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I Choose You!|Second Place Winner
Psionic Dancer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14713114&postcount=12)|Razanir|Prestige Class|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I Choose You!|Incomplete Entry
Monster Trainer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14831937&postcount=17)|xammux|Base Class|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I Choose You!|First Place Winner
Happy Hulk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14819284&postcount=6)|inuyasha|Monster|PGBC XIII: Of Dragons and Dungeons|Second Place Winner
Forgotten Memory (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14895589&postcount=8)|SamBurke|Template|PGBC XIII: Of Dragons and Dungeons|First Place Winner
Bombardier (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15009109&postcount=8)|Razanir|Base Class|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|-
Scorching Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15012995&postcount=9)|Elricaltovilla|Prestige Class|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|-
Deepcaster (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15039124&postcount=10)/Depths, Patterns and Runes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15039355&postcount=11)/Archetypes and Feats (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15039362&postcount=12)|SamBurke|Base Class|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|First Place Winner and Judge's Choice
Dimensional Dervish (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15046314&postcount=13)|DawnbringerSO|Prestige Class|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|Runner Up
Evasp'drr (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15075975&postcount=14)|inuyasha|Monster|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|Incomplete Entry
Master of Missiles (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15084607&postcount=15)|Osagasu|Prestige Class|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|-
Gallows Ghost (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15087600&postcount=16)|gr8artist|Template|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Mason (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15137334&postcount=17)|iTookUrNick|Archetype|PGBC XIV: Spell it Out for Us|Third Place Winner and Most Unique Entry
Biskmatar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15261775&postcount=9)|gr8artist|Base Class|PGBC XV: Gamer's Gambit|Third Place Winner
Cursed Knight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15283166&postcount=10)|iTookUrNick|Base Class|PGBC XV: Gamer's Gambit|Incomplete Entry
Super Fighting Robot (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15303082&postcount=11)|zhdarkstar|Archetype|PGBC XV: Gamer's Gambit|Second Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play and Judge's Choice
False Prophet (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15322094&postcount=12)/Vigors (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15322106&postcount=13)/Boosts (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15322125&postcount=14)|SamBurke|Base Class|PGBC XV: Gamer's Gambit|First Place Winner
Seru (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15344437&postcount=16)|Deviston|Monster|PGBC XV: Gamer's Gambit|Runner Up and Most Unique Entry
Fossil Skeleton (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15436792&postcount=10)|DawnbringerSO|Template|PGBC XVI: Once More; With Feeling!|First Place Winner
Geneticist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15437604&postcount=11)|gr8artist|Prestige Class|PGBC XVI: Once More; With Feeling!|Third Place Winner and Runner Up
Seru Half-blood (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15484481&postcount=12)|Deviston|Race|PGBC XVI: Once More; With Feeling!|Most Unique Entry
Primeval Protector (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15487960&postcount=13)|Benly|Archetype|PGBC XVI: Once More; With Feeling!|Second Place and Most Likely to See Play
Ancestral Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15533694&postcount=14)|NikolaTesla|Base Class|PGBC XVI: Once More; With Feeling!|Runner Up
Dragonfire Champion (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15560339&postcount=8)|Stake a Vamp|Base Class|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|-
Dragonblood Chymist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15561103&postcount=9)|malonkey1|Prestige Class|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|-
Fireslinger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15566184&postcount=10)|Ancient Hippo|Archetype|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|-
Five-Scaled Initiate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15569023&postcount=11)|Benly|Prestige Class|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|First Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Dragon Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15576883&postcount=12)|Razanir|Archetype|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|-
Dragonmind (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15589219&postcount=13)|Dark.Revenant|Prestige Class|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|Second Place Winner
Dragonclaw Monk (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15589443&postcount=14)|gr8artist|Archetype|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|Third Place Winner and Judge's Choice
Pink Dragon (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15626207&postcount=15)|DawnbringerSO|Monster|PGBC XVII: Call of a Hero|Runner Up and Most Unique Entry
Turtledove (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15736372&postcount=8)|Razanir|Monster|PGBC XVIII: They're All Grown Up|-
Childhood Companion (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15741708&postcount=9)|SamBurke|Archetype|PGBC XVIII: They're All Grown Up|First Place Winner
Imaginary Friend (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15743078&postcount=10)|malonkey1|Template|PGBC XVIII: They're All Grown Up|-
Cootie Catcher (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15749024&postcount=11)/Infections (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15750588&postcount=12)|caledscratcher|Base Class|PGBC XVIII: They're All Grown Up|Second Place Winner and Most Unique Entry
Big Bad Creature (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15768649&postcount=14)|gr8artist|Template|PGBC XVIII: They're All Grown Up|Third Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play and Judge's Choice
Wild Child (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15834052&postcount=15)|3WhiteFox3|Archetype|PGBC XVIII: They're All Grown Up|Runner Up
Bad Dude (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15957327&postcount=8)|malonkey1|Prestige Class|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|Judge's Choice
Cloaked Knight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15959443&postcount=9)|smoke prism|Prestige Class|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|Incomplete Entry
Soldier of Truth (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15960215&postcount=10)|Milo v3|Base Class|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|Incomplete Entry
Resolute Warrior (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15961484&postcount=11)|3WhiteFox3|Base Class|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|Incomplete Entry
Boomzerker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15966518&postcount=12)|sengmeng|Archetype|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|-
Liberal Arts Major (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15967576&postcount=13)/Courses and Minors (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15974377&postcount=14)|zhdarkstar|Base Class|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|Runner Up
Talisman of Terror (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16015036&postcount=16)|gr8artist|Template|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|Second Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play, and Most Unique Entry
Aegis Mechanic (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16124333&postcount=17)|caledscratcher|Base Class|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|Third Place Winner
Badass (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16129968&postcount=18)|DawnbringerSO|Archetype|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|-
Titan Toppler (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16132126&postcount=19)|xammux|Archetype|PGBC XIX: How the !@#$?|First Place Winner
Teaching Assistant (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16142693&postcount=8)|zhdarkstar|Prestige Class|PGBC XX: Those That Came Before|Third Place Winner and Most Unique Entry
Ehmoptrus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16145263&postcount=10)|caledscratcher|Race|PGBC XX: Those That Came Before|Runner Up
Handyman (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16147374&postcount=12)|SamBurke|Monster|PGBC XX: Those That Came Before|-
Kindred (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16181390&postcount=13)|Milo v3|Monster|PGBC XX: Those That Came Before|-
Viashino (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16299939&postcount=14)|DawnbringerSO|Race|PGBC XX: Those That Came Before|Second Place Winner
Suffering Spectre (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16304958&postcount=15)|gr8artist|Template|PGBC XX: Those That Came Before|First Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play and Judge's Choice
[/table]

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-20, 03:15 PM
Reserved for Past Entries Archives Deux

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-20, 03:19 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)|5
Atavism|Feral/Bestial/Devolved/etc. Humanoids|4
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|5
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|6
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|6
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|8
Munchkin Style| Silly things|4
Wild at Heart|The Natural World|2

[/table]

Updated with Benly's votes from the last thread.

For those joining us, we are currently voting for the theme of next month's contest. You receive 4 votes currently, none of which can go to the same theme. This round closes at 11:59 pm EST tonight and then the number of hopefuls is cut in half for another round of voting.


The Past Entries Archive is currently out of order, as I'm planning to revamp it. It will be up hopefully soon, along with the handing out of last month's trophies.

DawnbringerSO
2013-07-20, 03:35 PM
Since it's a new thread, any comments for my pink dragon would be most welcome.

I'll get around to commenting on others.

Stake A Vamp
2013-07-20, 05:39 PM
a shiny new Australia ( I meant ghandi, uh, chat thread)

because Doctor Horrible jokes never get old!

Benly
2013-07-20, 06:02 PM
So incidentally I don't remember who suggested it in the other thread (gr8 I think? Sorry if I'm wrong) but I do like the idea of keeping the "upper" half of the suggestions made for themes and carrying them over to the voting for the next contest, minus the winner of course. It seems like it would save a lot of time on collecting ideas, and since you'd still be collecting a bunch of new ideas each round it's not like it would end up stagnating.

gr8artist
2013-07-20, 06:50 PM
Well, that's not exactly my suggestion, but I like yours better.

Mine was to keep the 15 that didn't get voted for, and have whoever won 3rd place (or any spot other than 1st) nominate a theme to fill in the 16th hole for the next month of voting.
The idea to keep the top 8, and take nominations to fill it back out to 16 seems like a fine one. I like this more, and support this over my own suggestion

Also, wish me luck on getting my GF in on this action. She may make a Smoke Dragon for this month, but she'll probably procrastinate. Maybe she'll join in next time.

Lastly, I'm debating taking away the "Soul of the Dragon" from my monk archetype. It's pretty complicated, and I'm not sure how well it fits the theme. I would say it's a fair exchange for Timeless Body, essentially giving the same benefits, plus immortality, in exchange for increasingly difficult tasks. The dragonclaw already has strong offense, good maneuverability, good defenses, breath weapons, ki powers... Any ideas what I could swap SotD out for?

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-20, 08:05 PM
The reason I'm against having carry over is that I feel it stagnates the creative process. Someone may have thought it was a good idea to try last month, but have since come up with something better or just don't like the idea anymore.

If a former suggested concept is something someone wants to try to get voted in as the theme in following months, they're more than free to. I just don't want to have to force any of the 16 slots to be filled at the get go.

Benly
2013-07-21, 05:54 AM
The reason I'm against having carry over is that I feel it stagnates the creative process. Someone may have thought it was a good idea to try last month, but have since come up with something better or just don't like the idea anymore.

If a former suggested concept is something someone wants to try to get voted in as the theme in following months, they're more than free to. I just don't want to have to force any of the 16 slots to be filled at the get go.

The thing is that 16 is a lot of slots, especially for a thread with, what, nine or so active posters? Having seven carry over (the eight that passed the first vote, minus the winner) means there are still nine new slots every contest. If you have a better idea, submit it, and if your old idea isn't all that good it'll probably drop to the lower half anyway.

gr8artist
2013-07-21, 11:53 AM
Logistically speaking, since we start the voting so early the month prior, we have plenty of time to do whatever we want. So there's no need for a more efficient method. It was just a suggestion to see if we could help simplify your process a little, I guess.
You are correct, in that as it stands now, the best ideas probably will get cycled back around as they are mentioned by other contestants

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-21, 03:49 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|0
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|0
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|0
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|0
[/table]

And on we go with the voting! This time you get only 2 votes. Voting will remain open until 11:59 pm EST on the 23rd.


@Benly: How about this compromise? The top 4 concepts carry over.

malonkey1
2013-07-21, 04:28 PM
Mad Man in a Box and Fire & Brimstone

Stake A Vamp
2013-07-21, 04:38 PM
(the Majestic Tale of) A Mad Man In A Magic Box (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCHfVZIAZ6s)
Fire & Bimstone

SamBurke
2013-07-21, 06:34 PM
Third Law and They're All Grown Up.

Rassilon
2013-07-21, 09:17 PM
Mad man in a magic box
they're all grown up

Benly
2013-07-22, 01:05 AM
You are correct, in that as it stands now, the best ideas probably will get cycled back around as they are mentioned by other contestants

At the same time, I worry a little that someone might go "well, I don't want to submit the same thing twice in a row" so good ideas just get dropped, because no matter how good the ideas are 15 of them are going in the hole.

edit: Also voting Fire and Brimstone and All Grown Up because, as mentioned, I really can't participate in a Dr. Who contest.

Dark.Revenant
2013-07-22, 04:01 AM
Third Law, All Grown Up

(Whoverse will win, almost certainly; means I'm not taking part next month)

tardisvalkyrie
2013-07-22, 09:40 AM
Mad Man in a Magic Box
Fire & Brimstone

3WhiteFox3
2013-07-22, 10:28 AM
Mad Man in a Magic Box
All Grown Up

SamBurke
2013-07-22, 10:31 AM
I have no clue what I'd do for the WhoVerse, as it'd be creatures and creatures and creatures out the wazoo.

Actually, I do have an idea, but it requires a whole lot of double-checking to make sure I have it right... who knows.

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-22, 10:50 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|2
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|5
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|5
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|4
[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

DawnbringerSO
2013-07-22, 02:40 PM
Third Law
They're all grown up.

gr8artist
2013-07-22, 09:39 PM
My votes are Fire and Brimstone and They're All Grown Up.

Regarding the monthly carry over of themes, it's your contest and up to you.
Regarding the pink dragon... this was mostly a spoof entry, yes? If not, then I radically misunderstood your intentions.
Regarding the Dragonclaw... any opinions on the updated flurry/movement text?

whovian4life
2013-07-22, 10:49 PM
i vote for Mad man and Fire and Brimstone

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-23, 06:52 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|3
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|6
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|7
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|6
[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

@Gr8: I may have devised the contest and I may run it, but it isn't mine (and even if I felt like it was mine, its against the rules of the forum to act like it is). Everyone's opinions matters and what you entrants as a whole want is more important in the end. Where would I and the contest be if no one entered?

Rassilon
2013-07-23, 09:18 AM
can we change our votes?
i decided i liked fire and brimstone more than they're all grown up.

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-23, 10:40 AM
Ignore this message, read something wrong.

zhdarkstar
2013-07-23, 10:43 AM
all grown up and third law

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-23, 11:21 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|4
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|6
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|8
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|6
[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

@Rassilon: I'm going to say no because that can end up swaying the votes one way or the other if someone doesn't like the current numbers. Anyways, you understand if you did that then Mad Man in a Magic Box wouldn't make it to the final round, correct?

Rassilon
2013-07-23, 12:54 PM
oh, okay, i understand (and for the record, i didn't do it to swing numbers, i just like the lower planes, and am about to do an outer-planes PF campaign, i enjoy using these contests against my (somewhat munchkin-ish) players.
edit: yay, first on the second page!

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-23, 01:10 PM
oh, okay, i understand (and for the record, i didn't do it to swing numbers, i just like the lower planes, and am about to do an outer-planes PF campaign, i enjoy using these contests against my (somewhat munchkin-ish) players.
edit: yay, first on the second page!

I'm not saying you or anyone here was planning on doing that or would do that; it's just better to make sure such an exploit isn't there in the first place.

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-24, 06:24 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|0
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|0
[/table]

Here we are; the final round of voting. You get one and only one vote to cast to decide what next month's theme will be. Voting will remain open until 11:59 pm EST on the 26th.

zhdarkstar
2013-07-24, 07:31 AM
All Grown Up

Benly
2013-07-24, 07:35 AM
Fire and Brimstone.

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-07-24, 08:38 AM
They're all grown up

Edit: I forgot to subscribe to this thread. :smallsigh: Ah well. Done that now. :smallcool:

gr8artist
2013-07-24, 09:27 AM
So, this is a tough call. I'm opting for "They're All Grown Up"... I've got some good ideas for the other one, but the point of this is to make the submissions over the course of a month. I like starting from scratch, and I feel like we'll get more unique and interesting submissions (although quite likely less usable ones) with fairy-tales than with hellspawn.

Also, I had a stroke of genius today at work. Instead of longevity, what if my archetype's "Soul of the Dragon" ability gave them back some of their Ki? For example, landing a series of blows on an enemy, or acquiring wealth would refresh part of his ki pool (or give him temporary ki points? is there a mechanic for that?)
Opinions? Does this sound OP in an otherwise straight-up combat based monk archetype? I figure it's at least a T3 now, with flight, mobile flurry, and better offense and defense, with less MAD problems. (sorta less MAD... lose Wis but pick up Cha. Armor and shield bonuses, plus innate nat armor and resistances means you don't need a really high dex or con.)
Would allowing him to regain up to [Cha bonus] ki points per day be too good? It would proc for 1 ki point after the landing two strikes in a row on the same opponent, but cannot proc on two consecutive hits. So, if he lands 4 attacks in a row, it would proc on the 2nd and 4th, but not the 3rd since it had proc'd on the last hit prior (the 2nd).
What if he regains ki at the start of every encounter? With a short meditation? Maybe a temporary pool of ki points equal to his Cha bonus that refreshes with a 15 minute meditation?

SamBurke
2013-07-24, 10:10 AM
Fire and Brimstone! Even though I have no ideas.

Stake A Vamp
2013-07-24, 10:20 AM
fire and brimstone, though I really wanted who to win.

malonkey1
2013-07-24, 10:54 AM
...Fire and Brimstone

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-24, 11:21 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|3
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|4
[/table]

Votes tallied to here.

Edit:

@Stake: There's always September.

3WhiteFox3
2013-07-24, 11:35 AM
They're All Grown Up I've got a couple of ideas for it.

Thunderfist12
2013-07-24, 03:09 PM
They're all grown up.

Dark.Revenant
2013-07-24, 06:05 PM
They're All Grown Up

Surprising that the whoverse failed, actually.

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-24, 07:28 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
They're All Grown Up|Children tales, icons and concepts with mature, adult twists|6
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|4
[/table]

Votes tallied to here.


Surprising that the whoverse failed, actually.

My decision on having it dropped was because there were several folks who wouldn't participate if that won and because it lost a lot of momentum in subsequent voting rounds.

And even then, I flipped a coin and it came up for Fire and Brimstone. :smalltongue:

Worry not, it'll have another shot in the future. :smallwink:

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-26, 06:07 AM
And here's a run down for our last entry this month:


Pink Dragon

Grammar
Nothing caught my eye; but it is just going on 7 a.m. so I'll check again later.


Comments
I really hope you end up writing some fluff for this creature before the 31st. The fluff of a monster, especially with dragons, is just as important as any mechanics.
Can a Pink Dragon cast spells during a Dragon Rage?
Does a Pink Dragon only have one Rage power or does it gain a new one at each age category?
This dragon got me curious if there was a shade of pink associated with the class bubble bath soap and I was amused to find there is a shade of pink called Shampoo. :smallbiggrin:

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-27, 11:00 AM
Looks like They're All Grown Up is next months theme!

In other news; I saw the Wolverine last night and it was amaaaazing.

SamBurke
2013-07-27, 11:14 AM
Looks like They're All Grown Up is next months theme!

In other news; I saw the Wolverine last night and it was amaaaazing.
Worth going to the theatres?

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-28, 10:48 AM
Worth going to the theatres?

Definitely.

DawnbringerSO
2013-07-28, 01:40 PM
And here's a run down for our last entry this month:


Pink Dragon

Grammar
Nothing caught my eye; but it is just going on 7 a.m. so I'll check again later.


Comments
I really hope you end up writing some fluff for this creature before the 31st. The fluff of a monster, especially with dragons, is just as important as any mechanics.
Can a Pink Dragon cast spells during a Dragon Rage?
Does a Pink Dragon only have one Rage power or does it gain a new one at each age category?
This dragon got me curious if there was a shade of pink associated with the class bubble bath soap and I was amused to find there is a shade of pink called Shampoo. :smallbiggrin:

Yeah sorry about that. I've been REALLY busy this past week and haven't been able to do anything. I will write some fluff before the 31st.

Yes a pink dragon can cast spells while raging, and it specifically states so in the entry.

It starts with one rage power when it gets dragon rage, gets another at greater dragon rage, and gets a third at mighty dragon rage.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned how my dragons breath weapon changes when it rages. :smallcool:

And yes it is a serious entry :smallsmile:

Razanir
2013-07-30, 04:39 PM
1) All Growed Up! You said children's tales. That includes the original Brothers Grimm stories :smallamused:
2) Don't count me out of this month's contest. I was going to drop out because of computer issues last week, but I had a sudden burst of inspiration. I still have a day and a half!

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-31, 03:22 PM
*facepalm*

So...

I just noticed that I had misnumbered the last batch of trophies.

SamBurke
2013-07-31, 04:30 PM
*facepalm*

So...

I just noticed that I had misnumbered the last batch of trophies.

Well that could be awkward.

Tanuki Tales
2013-07-31, 05:17 PM
Well that could be awkward.

So...

You guys will be getting a lot of trophies in the next few days, depending who you are. >.>;

Razanir
2013-08-01, 09:57 AM
You should update the chat link in the contest thread. It still leads to the old thread.

EDIT: Also, I already have an idea for this month's contest :smallamused:

Razanir
2013-08-01, 04:32 PM
Update: Finished a preliminary version of my entry. It's based on the Brothers Grimm version of Cinderella, where birds bring her everything, then proceed to gouge the stepsisters' eyes out. They wound up being fairly benign on their own (except for being able to blind people), but can be particularly nasty with larger animals helping deal damage.

So yes. I present to you, the Turtledove

SamBurke
2013-08-02, 01:09 AM
Update: Finished a preliminary version of my entry. It's based on the Brothers Grimm version of Cinderella, where birds bring her everything, then proceed to gouge the stepsisters' eyes out. They wound up being fairly benign on their own (except for being able to blind people), but can be particularly nasty with larger animals helping deal damage.

So yes. I present to you, the Turtledove

Pretty legit it is!

I've got my own idea, and I might even have it up by tomorrow... we'll see.

SamBurke
2013-08-02, 02:37 AM
As promised, the Childhood Companion is up and roarin'!

Notes on it:
1. That's the third or fourth layout... still doesn't format right for me, but whatever.
2. Critiques and more ideas would be great!
3. You have no flipping idea how long it took to track that image back to the original owner/creator so I could give credit for it. Seriously.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-02, 05:24 AM
Does Open Format mean the same thing as Free use?

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-08-02, 06:43 AM
Notes on it:
1. That's the third or fourth layout... still doesn't format right for me, but whatever.
2. Critiques and more ideas would be great!
3. You have no flipping idea how long it took to track that image back to the original owner/creator so I could give credit for it. Seriously.

1. I'll look over the layout and see if I have any suggestions.
2. I might have to refrain from critique on this...part of it is VERY similar to my idea, though luckily in a different light. Mine and yours would play nicely, at least. I'm looking at throwing in a few monsters.
3. Giving the original owner credit does not mean you have permission to use the image. Generally from what I've seen, confirmation from the artist is needed for this. I may have something for you however. :smallsmile: I once did an art series on the homebrew I'm making...the inspiration for it...and it might be something you'd like.

Razanir
2013-08-02, 09:26 AM
As promised, the Childhood Companion is up and roarin'!

Notes on it:
1. That's the third or fourth layout... still doesn't format right for me, but whatever.
2. Critiques and more ideas would be great!
3. You have no flipping idea how long it took to track that image back to the original owner/creator so I could give credit for it. Seriously.

Now what would happen if you were a Synthesist Summoner? Could you turn yourself into a princess's teddy bear to infiltrate the castle?

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-02, 11:22 AM
So, I just want to let everyone know that I'm currently throwing together a one shot game for a friend of a friend's birthday party on Saturday, so until I'm finished, I need to concentrate on that.

I want to deeply apologize that I not only need to re-do the trophies from two months ago, but that I also need to be sending out the trophies for last month as well. This is also combined with the current state of the past entries archive (which I recently learned is completely borked in the coding) and a few other hiccups here and there. These are not the standards that I hold myself to as the patron, adjudicator, referee and custodian of this contest and I know that I have given a much better performance in my duties in the past.

I will strive to do better from this point forward and I hope that the contest does not suffer further or lose more competitors because of my mistakes and blunders.

SamBurke
2013-08-02, 10:51 PM
1. I'll look over the layout and see if I have any suggestions.
2. I might have to refrain from critique on this...part of it is VERY similar to my idea, though luckily in a different light. Mine and yours would play nicely, at least. I'm looking at throwing in a few monsters.
3. Giving the original owner credit does not mean you have permission to use the image. Generally from what I've seen, confirmation from the artist is needed for this. I may have something for you however. :smallsmile: I once did an art series on the homebrew I'm making...the inspiration for it...and it might be something you'd like.
1. OK, thanks@
2. Can't wait to see it! Someone *cough cough*not me*cough cough* should set up a Playtest game for this thread.... 'twould be epic.
3. Oh...? I did not know that... Just checked the page, and I couldn't seem to find any way to contact the original illustrator (who speaks russian anyway...). Which means all that work in finding it would be...

What's that you say? An illustration?

FROM

YOU?

DRAWN BY YOU?

All my yes. :smallbiggrin: Thanks a googol!


Now what would happen if you were a Synthesist Summoner? Could you turn yourself into a princess's teddy bear to infiltrate the castle?

I'm considering including a note saying that while in that form, it's inanimate, but the idea of a teddybear sneaking into a castle before transforming into an eight-armed power-attacking Huge-greatsword wielding superkillah is just too awesome to say no to...


*Snips*
No worries at all, bro... RL has kicked me to the curb waaaaay too many times for me to criticize you at all. In fact, this community has grown nicely since I came on just a few months ago, so no worries at all.

Razanir
2013-08-02, 11:10 PM
I'm considering including a note saying that while in that form, it's inanimate, but the idea of a teddybear sneaking into a castle before transforming into an eight-armed power-attacking Huge-greatsword wielding superkillah is just too awesome to say no to...

Maybe word it "the eidolon has no move speed." To me, inanimate implies non-sentient. But yeah, it is too awesome, the concept of turning into a teddy bear to infiltrate a castle. It totally makes up for being forced into a dress for a tea party.

Oh, and does my entry look interesting enough so far, or could it use a few more abilities? And before you ask about the high HP: I designed it to be at a slightly higher CR, but ran it through Vorpal Tribble's calculator and it only came out at CR 4.

SamBurke
2013-08-02, 11:27 PM
Maybe word it "the eidolon has no move speed." To me, inanimate implies non-sentient. But yeah, it is too awesome, the concept of turning into a teddy bear to infiltrate a castle. It totally makes up for being forced into a dress for a tea party.

Oh, and does my entry look interesting enough so far, or could it use a few more abilities? And before you ask about the high HP: I designed it to be at a slightly higher CR, but ran it through Vorpal Tribble's calculator and it only came out at CR 4.

Decided to make it a general fix for everything, since Hobbes always seems to just flop down... :smallbiggrin:

As to the Turtledove, I really love the thematics of it... very cool, and pro points for using the original (if gruesome) version of Cinderella. My problem is just... not sure how I would use it in an encounter from a DM standpoint. What ways were you envisioning?

gr8artist
2013-08-03, 07:41 AM
So, before I go to the trouble of typing this up, here's my current idea. If you guys like it, I'll finish it out, but I'm not a hundred percent sure on it yet.

Big Bad
Creature template, usually applied to wolves, but works for any carnivore.
It's an acquired template, gained from extended exposure to either hunger or dark magic... maybe both.
Gains intelligence and languages, and enough cunning to pretend to be somebody's grandma... though not enough wisdom to think up good answers to annoying anatomy questions.
Gains swallow whole as a Supernatural ability, and Regeneration while someone's in its belly.
DR X/slashing (that woodsman's axe...)
Huff 'n Puff, a Supernatural breath attack that creates powerful gusts of wind... used to knock down fragile buildings. Any idea what spell to use for reference? or should I just use wind strength from environmental rules?
I'm trying to think of other tales with a villainous canis lupus, but so far I'm stuck at 3 Little Pigs and Red Ridin' Hood.

PF already has abilities to recreate the most famous wicked witches, but I'm debating Rumpelstiltskin after having watched "Once Upon a Time".
Oh, I'm also tossing around the idea of a demented Geppetto gone evil after the untimely death of his young Pinocchio. He would function like a summoner, but he'd have constructs, not outsiders.

Razanir
2013-08-03, 08:02 AM
@Caledscratcher I'll be interested to see how the Cootie Catcher turns out. I seriously would have more expected someone to make a Cootie as the most vicious monster out there.

@SamBurke I'm not quite sure yet how I'd use the Turtledove. It seems more a thematic monster, for dealing with pesky stepsister-like PCs. I think I'll add bonus damage to blinded foes to make it a bigger threat.

SamBurke
2013-08-04, 12:33 AM
So, before I go to the trouble of typing this up, here's my current idea. If you guys like it, I'll finish it out, but I'm not a hundred percent sure on it yet.

Big Bad
Creature template, usually applied to wolves, but works for any carnivore.
It's an acquired template, gained from extended exposure to either hunger or dark magic... maybe both.
Gains intelligence and languages, and enough cunning to pretend to be somebody's grandma... though not enough wisdom to think up good answers to annoying anatomy questions.
Gains swallow whole as a Supernatural ability, and Regeneration while someone's in its belly.
DR X/slashing (that woodsman's axe...)
Huff 'n Puff, a Supernatural breath attack that creates powerful gusts of wind... used to knock down fragile buildings. Any idea what spell to use for reference? or should I just use wind strength from environmental rules?
I'm trying to think of other tales with a villainous canis lupus, but so far I'm stuck at 3 Little Pigs and Red Ridin' Hood.

PF already has abilities to recreate the most famous wicked witches, but I'm debating Rumpelstiltskin after having watched "Once Upon a Time".
Oh, I'm also tossing around the idea of a demented Geppetto gone evil after the untimely death of his young Pinocchio. He would function like a summoner, but he'd have constructs, not outsiders.
This is a cool idea, bro... I'd look into werewolf stories and things like that.

Notes on the Cootie Catcher:
-This is very, very, professionally formatted. You have a whooooole lot of my support with that right there, good friend. I have to admit, the format colours 90% of my view about a class... :smallredface:

-I like the way it's set up... it's got an innocent name, but it certainly is grown up.

-The morality/methodism thing seems like it'd take a lot of time to set up: you make a single attack on that turn, but it takes a good three to four rolls to get to the final result. I know how unbelievably tempting it is to create a much more interesting and nuanced mechanic by adding rolls, but... resist the urges, man! We two should start a support group for it...

-That said, the mechanic is friggin' brilliant, nothing less. I'd like to see a little fluff to explain, but the way it scales is nice, and there's some control but a little bit of randomness, so on so forth. I could see some people objecting to how random it is, but Free Will fixes that at the very next level.

-It seems like the Temporary HP is worth much less, and scales more poorly, than the rest of the abilities. Perhaps you get twice as much from the results of the roll as the others?

-The Disease Resistance comes rather late... most characters get total immunity really early, and it's not that important then, either.

-Choice. I have a personal soapbox about choice, and you did it in true Pathfinder style: Choose a general group of possible selections, then regular abilities picked from that. Now, you did set up a locked progression for any given infector, but it's good.

-Not sure what Lord of the Infection would look like practically, from a PC perspective. I mean, it makes sense that they would infect others, but... it doesn't have much strategic value. I suppose Tippy could make use of it somehow or other, but IMO, a capstone should be FRIGGIN EPIC. Plus, the bar is higher, considering it has to top off this class.

-Can't wait to see more infection types! You may need to boost some of the abilities in there (the damage from the eyebeams is a bit low, and you gain True Seeing 6 levels after everyone else...) It seems like those types may solve the next thing I thought about:

-What does this class do? What's its focus, I mean? Some of the abilities go towards DPS ("Brutality" and "Savagery", for example), but others (Spell points, say) could be for mages or Tanking (Pretty much the rest of the Cootie-Catching List). If it's meant to have just a little bit of everything, it does that well... I just feel like the class would be a bit tighter if it focused on something.

-One tiiiiiiiny nitpick on the fluff. You mention "Fortune", but I'm not clear on how Cooties tie together with fate and all that. If you could just put in a little bit to help there, I'd be grateful!

Overall, it is a fantastic class, and I'm glad to see someone look into the glory of new class systems, and multi-post entries. :smallbiggrin:

caledscratcher
2013-08-04, 01:14 AM
@SamBurke: Oh, uh, wow, thank you so much! I didn't expect such positive feedback! I guess I'll try to go in order...


-This is very, very, professionally formatted. You have a whooooole lot of my support with that right there, good friend. I have to admit, the format colours 90% of my view about a class... :smallredface:

I very much judge a class by its formatting, as well. I believe that a great class with broken tables and poor spelling automatically goes from "great" "subpar at best".


-I like the way it's set up... it's got an innocent name, but it certainly is grown up.

Hehe, yeah, I had thought about what I could do, and didn't feel like using a teddy bear or imaginary friend (as such concepts were already taken, and also because I see them as the stereotypical associations with childhood). And, given that (at least in my 2nd grade class) cooties were the most horrendously vile disease known to humankind, I figured aberrations would fit well.


-The morality/methodism thing seems like it'd take a lot of time to set up: you make a single attack on that turn, but it takes a good three to four rolls to get to the final result. I know how unbelievably tempting it is to create a much more interesting and nuanced mechanic by adding rolls, but... resist the urges, man! We two should start a support group for it...

Hm... yeah, the thing about it was that it was supposed to emulate those little origami-type toys that kids would always make, where you would be asked for a number and a color and some other thing, resulting in it being shifted a certain number of times for a certain result. My reasoning for using it? I always heard it called a "cootie catcher". (Which, in retrospect, was probably an insulting name made up by boys because the girls in my class always made them about who they'd wind up dating...)


-That said, the mechanic is friggin' brilliant, nothing less. I'd like to see a little fluff to explain, but the way it scales is nice, and there's some control but a little bit of randomness, so on so forth. I could see some people objecting to how random it is, but Free Will fixes that at the very next level.

Heh, thanks! I figured that fluff would be needed, but the basic idea of how it's performed is that you flip around little things on your aberrant net for a couple seconds to provide someone with a fortune, which you can very well flip to a different one if you don't like the result.


-It seems like the Temporary HP is worth much less, and scales more poorly, than the rest of the abilities. Perhaps you get twice as much from the results of the roll as the others?

I thought I specified, but Temporary HP actually does give twice the normal bonus!


-The Disease Resistance comes rather late... most characters get total immunity really early, and it's not that important then, either.

Oh, huh. I wasn't really aware of that (or it slipped my mind, whichever), so I could probably slip it into a lower level. I had an idea for something(s) to put into opened-up spots.


-Choice. I have a personal soapbox about choice, and you did it in true Pathfinder style: Choose a general group of possible selections, then regular abilities picked from that. Now, you did set up a locked progression for any given infector, but it's good.

Hm... I had somewhat wanted it to be like the Sorcerer's bloodline, but with more abilities, accompanied by the standards of the class. Which I suppose makes it more like the Cavalier's order... oh well!


-Not sure what Lord of the Infection would look like practically, from a PC perspective. I mean, it makes sense that they would infect others, but... it doesn't have much strategic value. I suppose Tippy could make use of it somehow or other, but IMO, a capstone should be FRIGGIN EPIC. Plus, the bar is higher, considering it has to top off this class.

Yeah, I'm thinking I might make it so that if they fail both saves, they have to make another Will save when they gain the cootie catcher level, and if they fail, they automatically become one of your followers. If they only fail one, they have to make the save after taking two cootie catcher levels. (Succeeding on that save in either case forces you to reroll every additional cootie catcher level you take). And because it would be mind-affecting, creatures that probably wouldn't be able to be infected (undead, construct, etc.) actually can't.


-Can't wait to see more infection types! You may need to boost some of the abilities in there (the damage from the eyebeams is a bit low, and you gain True Seeing 6 levels after everyone else...) It seems like those types may solve the next thing I thought about:

Oh... I foolishly forgot to look up the spell level of true seeing, haha. I'll probably shift a couple things around and boost some numbers.


-What does this class do? What's its focus, I mean? Some of the abilities go towards DPS ("Brutality" and "Savagery", for example), but others (Spell points, say) could be for mages or Tanking (Pretty much the rest of the Cootie-Catching List). If it's meant to have just a little bit of everything, it does that well... I just feel like the class would be a bit tighter if it focused on something.

Well, thing is, they're supposed to be a buffer/debuffer in general, given that their cootie catch can't affect themself (crap, that wasn't clear enough, was it?). Anyways, they have a secondary focus of whatever the infection specializes in - so the blindheim would make them a battlefield controller/slight sneak attacker, herding foes with their eyebeams, then shutting them off and turning them back on once they were all in place for the bonus damage.


-One tiiiiiiiny nitpick on the fluff. You mention "Fortune", but I'm not clear on how Cooties tie together with fate and all that. If you could just put in a little bit to help there, I'd be grateful!

As I mentioned, the fortune thing relates to the "cootie catcher" origami fortune-teller toy things. Free Will relates to the common occurence of the person who was telling the fortune with the catcher peeking at the result, getting mad, and flipping a different one.


Overall, it is a fantastic class, and I'm glad to see someone look into the glory of new class systems, and multi-post entries. :smallbiggrin:

Haha, thank you so much! I didn't think it would be this good, given that it's the first fully-complete base class I've posted on this fora (or any other) in... pretty much ever! I've started some others, and I really liked the ideas, but I'd always get distracted.

Oh, and before I forget, I was contemplating making it so that each infection would have an additional feature (or two) that modifies Cootie Catch. So, a blindheim cootie catcher could get the option to forgo the focus result (at the cost of Free Will) to instead either blind for Xd3 rounds (X being the penalty modifier), or reduce the duration of a blinding effect by Yd4 rounds (Y being the bonus modifier). Just a thought.

gr8artist
2013-08-07, 01:43 PM
My submission, the Big Bad Creature, is up, along with a sample CR 3 Big Bad Wolf. I will likely add another sample creature with 10 or more HD, because the template improves for stronger creatures.
Does anyone have a specific animal/magical beast that they'd like to see made as a big bad <blank>?

I wil try to review other submissions this weekend, hopefully.

Razanir
2013-08-07, 01:46 PM
My submission, the Big Bad Creature, is up, along with a sample CR 3 Big Bad Wolf. I will likely add another sample creature with 10 or more HD, because the template improves for stronger creatures.
Does anyone have a specific animal/magical beast that they'd like to see made as a big bad <blank>?

I wil try to review other submissions this weekend, hopefully.

A Big Bag Tyrannosaurus (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/dinosaur/tyrannosaurus)? Also, it's not 10+ HD, but a Big Bad Cat (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/cat) would be pretty funny.

Thunderfist12
2013-08-07, 01:49 PM
What about a 10-HD big bad dire wolf?

Razanir
2013-08-07, 03:05 PM
What about a 10-HD big bad dire wolf?

But cats! Those things are lethal already! :smalleek: Maybe THAT'S why Mr. Scruffy's so good at killing. Maybe Mr. Scruffy was a Big Bad Cat before the template even existed.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-08, 07:02 AM
Mr. Scruffy is a killer because of the old joke of a cat in 3.5 being better statted than a level 1 commoner.

Anyways, if you haven't voted for last month's contest, please do. I've got Otakon the next three days so my attention will be away from the net in general till next week.

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-08-08, 07:10 AM
Mr. Scruffy is a killer because of the old joke of a cat in 3.5 being better statted than a level 1 commoner.

Anyways, if you haven't voted for last month's contest, please do. I've got Otakon the next three days so my attention will be away from the net in general till next week.

Have fun! I miss being on staff for that Con. Maybe someday I'll have the time to return! :smallsigh:

gr8artist
2013-08-08, 09:29 PM
My reviews so far...

Turtledove
HP should be 8d10-24, so 20
There is no listed duration for the blind effect. Also, fluff-wise, wouldn't it require 2 successful attacks to blind? (One per eye).
The creature deals 1 nonlethal damage per attack, with a huge attack bonus. But that's not dangerous enough for a CR 4. Might I recommend adding Sneak Attack (1d6) for damage, and it would work well with blinding.
Can't creatures tiny size or smaller use their dex for attack rolls naturally? You could swap weapon finesse out for something else.
That fort save has a really high DC for that CR. Which is OK, since it's pretty much the creature's only challenging factor.
Overall: It's interesting, and I like the simplicity, but it's not really a challenge, especially at a CR 4. It blinds the entire party... then what?

Childhood Companion
It took me a while to realize that this creature didn't replace the companion gained by another class, but just provided additional options. So, a summoner's Eidolon could be a GC, just as a wizard's familiar could. So, in essence, these are custom feats that anyone with a companion/eidolon/familiar/mount could take.
My right hand creature seems a little weak. Most such bonuses are trivial, and hardly worth a feat investment to double them, especially for 1 round. Perhaps if it lasted all day?
Help in time of need seems to have little to no effect. The DC to succeed is 10, so auto-success is hardly worth a feat. And can't companions use aid another naturally, especially if they have intelligence or some-such?
Does Watcher need a better description of "hostile intent"? What about pickpockets and thieves? What about guards while you're breaking the law? What about mindless creatures?
Variable bonuses with permanent duration make me nervous. Currently, Hit Dice are the only permanent stat we roll for, so the 1d8 Int bonus from of the same mind seems weird.
Is it "Guardian Companion" or "Childhood Companion"? I'm a little unsure.

Overall: I like it, and I'd like to see more done with it. Currently, it seems fairly minor, except for the intelligence bonuses, swift eidolon calling, and fear immunity. More options would be superb, as well as some qualities that the companion would always have, something to make this a modification to a class or class feature, not just a feat list. Perhaps granting the companion certain bonuses based on the PC's level, as opposed to the creature's? or based on the number of aspects possessed.

SamBurke
2013-08-08, 10:27 PM
Childhood Companion
[SPOILER]It took me a while to realize that this creature didn't replace the companion gained by another class, but just provided additional options. So, a summoner's Eidolon could be a GC, just as a wizard's familiar could. So, in essence, these are custom feats that anyone with a companion/eidolon/familiar/mount could take.
My right hand creature seems a little weak. Most such bonuses are trivial, and hardly worth a feat investment to double them, especially for 1 round. Perhaps if it lasted all day?
Help in time of need seems to have little to no effect. The DC to succeed is 10, so auto-success is hardly worth a feat. And can't companions use aid another naturally, especially if they have intelligence or some-such?
Does Watcher need a better description of "hostile intent"? What about pickpockets and thieves? What about guards while you're breaking the law? What about mindless creatures?
Variable bonuses with permanent duration make me nervous. Currently, Hit Dice are the only permanent stat we roll for, so the 1d8 Int bonus from of the same mind seems weird.
Is it "Guardian Companion" or "Childhood Companion"? I'm a little unsure.

Overall: I like it, and I'd like to see more done with it. Currently, it seems fairly minor, except for the intelligence bonuses, swift eidolon calling, and fear immunity. More options would be superb, as well as some qualities that the companion would always have, something to make this a modification to a class or class feature, not just a feat list. Perhaps granting the companion certain bonuses based on the PC's level, as opposed to the creature's? or based on the number of aspects possessed.

Thanks for the review!
-Fixed the variable bonus to be a minimum of +3, so it could make a really smart creature, but will always make your companion fairly normal in mind. I'm thinking about the level of Hobbes: sometimes smart, sometimes less so.

-Sorry that it took a while for that to be clear. But, that was the thing I was shooting for: since this was going to add to a half a dozen different classes, I had to make sure it could fit for all of them.

-I altered "My Right Hand" to be usable as often as you like per day. The idea is to give a situational sort of thing that you could use *instead* of an AoO. For example, if you wanted to make your entire turn interrupt whoever was going, then you could double your Initiative bonus (from, say, the Scorpion). Or, if you were targeted by a spell, double the bonus from your Fox, and get +2 to Reflex. That's just the general idea.

-Hm... Fair point. I've edited it to give you a skill bonus equal to 1/4 your level a number of times per day equal to your modifying stat.

-I've edited in a better description of what "Hostile Intent" is for Watcher. Hostile intent is any creature that intends to cause you physical harm or debilitation, even if it is technically "mindless." In my opinion, this ability is pretty powerful, indeed, as it negates almost all stealth near you, even if it gives no bonuses to hitting things.

-Your companion is called a "Guardian", but you take the Childhood Companion archetype. This is further confused by the fact that the archetype presumes you've had that same companion since childhood... My apologies.

-About new abilities: I wanted to add more myself, but the problem I run into is how to scale something so that both Eidolons AND Familiars can make use of it. Don't wanna give a bunch of options only to them. I could grant a stat bonus, I suppose... Hm. I'll add a few new Aspects.

-Thanks for the review! Glad to polish it up and make it a little bit better.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-12, 05:58 AM
Convention's officially over, so I'm back. I'll be jumping on the trophies and everything else in the next few days.

On a serious note, can everyone please go vote?

SamBurke
2013-08-12, 07:32 AM
Convention's officially over, so I'm back. I'll be jumping on the trophies and everything else in the next few days.

On a serious note, can everyone please go vote?

I already have. But, I do agree that since there were sooooo many entries last month, everyone needs to vote.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-13, 01:04 PM
Ok...

Hopefully you all can help me assure myself that I'm not losing my mind. Did I, or did I not, send out trophies for contest sixteen "Once More; with Feeling!"?

SamBurke
2013-08-13, 09:41 PM
Ok...

Hopefully you all can help me assure myself that I'm not losing my mind. Did I, or did I not, send out trophies for contest sixteen "Once More; with Feeling!"?

What was the theme for that?

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-14, 07:42 AM
What was the theme for that?

It was a second helping of "Origins of Species". So primeval and evolution junk.

SamBurke
2013-08-14, 07:29 PM
It was a second helping of "Origins of Species". So primeval and evolution junk.

Sorry, then... I don't know if I can help.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-15, 07:46 AM
Sorry, then... I don't know if I can help.

Because I need to figure out if I sent out a bad batch of trophies or if I simply mislabeled a folder on my computer where I keep all the trophies saved.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-16, 05:22 AM
Alright.

Looking at my sent box and my computer, it looks like I simply mislabeled my folders and did not, in fact, send out incorrect trophies.

But I could have deleted the sent messages for Once More; With Feeling! to make space, so could someone who placed in that contest please let me know if they got a trophy for it?

And guys, please vote if you haven't. I'm going to extend voting because we just had too many good entries to let it end like it would.

3WhiteFox3
2013-08-16, 10:41 AM
So my Wild Child archetype is up and I'd be grateful for anyone's thoughts about it. I'm open to whatever constructive criticism anyone might have and what they think about the theme, abilities, balance, etc...

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-20, 05:55 AM
Sorry all, haven't really been in the house the last few days.

I'll go close up last month's voting thread in a wee bit.

But can someone please tell me if they got trophies for June's contest? This is really driving me nuts.

gr8artist
2013-08-20, 05:01 PM
I haven't received anything, but i dont think i won anything that time.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-21, 08:11 AM
I haven't received anything, but i dont think i won anything that time.

You won two trophies. So it is a case of me mislabeling my folders.

Alright, I'll have the trophies for the 16th and 17th contests done and sent first chance I get.


Anyways, with 10 days left (I'll do rundowns also when I can. @.@) let's start deciding on next month's theme!

{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
[/table]

As decided, we start with the top four themes that weren't selected last month. Each person may suggest one theme until everyone has suggested a theme and then you get two more. We stop and start voting once we reach sixteen themes!

malonkey1
2013-08-21, 08:29 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
[/table]

As decided, we start with the top four themes that weren't selected last month. Each person may suggest one theme until everyone has suggested a theme and then you get two more. We stop and start voting once we reach sixteen themes!

Okay, how about Psychedelia? (As in Psychedelic)

3WhiteFox3
2013-08-21, 09:56 AM
Okay, how about Psychedelia? (As in Psychedelic)

I nominate The Mythic Journey (Mythic Characters, High Fantasy Heroism and Joseph Campbell)

Benly
2013-08-21, 10:25 AM
Bring Down The Hammer (hammers, literal and metaphorical)

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-22, 09:36 AM
Well, all the trophies are out, so I'm caught up there.


{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers
[/table]

@Malonkey: And what exactly would that theme entail?

SamBurke
2013-08-22, 09:49 AM
"Phasing Out", about teleportation, planar abuse, etc.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-23, 11:40 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.
[/table]

malonkey1
2013-08-23, 11:57 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.
[/table]

"We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)", that is, a theme based on rock songs.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-23, 06:57 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
[/table]

SamBurke
2013-08-24, 10:01 AM
"We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)", that is, a theme based on rock songs.

This idea. I likes it.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-24, 03:15 PM
Ok, just start giving me theme ideas guys so we can get to the voting portion.

malonkey1
2013-08-24, 05:32 PM
"Those Poorly-Drawn Hands", cartoons (of the animated variety)

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-24, 05:42 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Those Poorly-Drawn Hands|Cartoons
[/table]

malonkey1
2013-08-24, 05:51 PM
I'd suggest more, but I don't think it'd be fair to suggest more than two.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-24, 05:59 PM
I'd suggest more, but I don't think it'd be fair to suggest more than two.

Then wait an hour.

It's not your fault if no one else is forthcoming.

Benly
2013-08-24, 06:01 PM
Fires Of Heaven: Lightning and/or meteors.

SamBurke
2013-08-24, 06:12 PM
Spelling: It's Important.

It's about spells and magic, and has nothing to do with grammar. :smallfurious:

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-24, 06:13 PM
Fires Of Heaven: Lightning and/or meteors.

How about just "Catastrophic Atmospheric Phenomena" in general?

Benly
2013-08-24, 07:22 PM
How about just "Catastrophic Atmospheric Phenomena" in general?

Hm. How about defining it as "destruction from the sky"?

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-24, 07:24 PM
Hm. How about defining it as "destruction from the sky"?

Does that include things like tornadoes?

Benly
2013-08-24, 07:45 PM
Does that include things like tornadoes?

Yeah, that's the thing that bugs me about catastrophic atmospheric phenomena too. Tornadoes aren't fires of heaven, really. If you can think of a good term that covers the various sorts of "fire from the sky" phenomena then I'm all for it.

Even "lightning, meteors, and other fires in the sky" would be fine by me, but it's a bit unwieldy.

malonkey1
2013-08-24, 08:07 PM
Does that include things like tornadoes?

If we do this, dibs on the Sharknado.

SamBurke
2013-08-24, 10:27 PM
If we do this, dibs on the Sharknado.

Darn you and your faster posting time.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-08-24, 10:45 PM
Terrible suggestion: "How the !@#$?"

Doing the impossible.

...I'm terrible at this.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-25, 06:49 AM
Terrible suggestion: "How the !@#$?"

Doing the impossible.

...I'm terrible at this.

I'm not sure what that would entail.

Razanir
2013-08-25, 07:49 AM
Spelling: It's Important.

It's about spells and magic, and has nothing to do with grammar. :smallfurious:

That said, I'd still wind up with ability names akin to The The Impotence of Spellcheck.

Also, I finally have time to revise the Turtledove. Expect that shortly. Meaning I'm going to edit it right after I finish this post.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-08-25, 11:41 AM
I'm not sure what that would entail.

Nor am I. Told you I was horrible at this.

malonkey1
2013-08-25, 01:00 PM
I'm not sure what that would entail.

You know that spiel from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?


"Go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb! That's how Team Gurren rolls!"

I imagine that's the spirit of this suggestion. Classes and creatures that break the normal rules under the right circumstances (making a partial charge while uninhibited, ignoring metamagic spell level increases, taking two standard actions in place of a standard and move action, ignoring somatic/verbal spell components, etc.)

3WhiteFox3
2013-08-25, 01:49 PM
You know that spiel from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?



I imagine that's the spirit of this suggestion. Classes and creatures that break the normal rules under the right circumstances (making a partial charge while uninhibited, ignoring metamagic spell level increases, taking two standard actions in place of a standard and move action, ignoring somatic/verbal spell components, etc.)

Going with that what about something like this.

Classes that break the normally accepted boundaries and rules that keep them from being awesome. The trope Beyond The Impossible (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeyondTheImpossible) (warning: Tvtropes link) covers this stuff pretty well. Essentially, it's anything that breaks the established laws of reality for the setting. For example if punching someone really hard is normal, and hitting them so hard that they fly is awesome; then Beyond The Impossible would be when you punch someone so hard, their descendants literally feel it. Or when your charge is so powerful it rips apart the planar bindings and brings in a dead magic zone, things like that.

Note: Spells wouldn't count because it's an established Pathfinder fact that spells break the laws of physics. However, something that breaks the rules of the game regarding magic would count.

I don't know how you'd summarize that, but I'd definitely get behind it.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-25, 03:35 PM
What about summing up the theme as just being "Rule of Cool"?

Benly
2013-08-25, 03:41 PM
I imagine that's the spirit of this suggestion. Classes and creatures that break the normal rules under the right circumstances (making a partial charge while uninhibited, ignoring metamagic spell level increases, taking two standard actions in place of a standard and move action, ignoring somatic/verbal spell components, etc.)

Pretty much every class does that, though. Your class abilities are the ways in which you are exceptions to the basic rules of the game. The monk breaks the rules in the Unarmed Combat section. The fighter breaks the rules in the advancement section about when you get feats. The wizard breaks the rules that everyone should be playing the same game, and so on. You're just describing rules that are broken less often.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-08-25, 04:22 PM
Pretty much every class does that, though. Your class abilities are the ways in which you are exceptions to the basic rules of the game. The monk breaks the rules in the Unarmed Combat section. The fighter breaks the rules in the advancement section about when you get feats. The wizard breaks the rules that everyone should be playing the same game, and so on. You're just describing rules that are broken less often.

Aye, I understand - But there's a difference between that kind of breaking the rules (as a matter of course), and the kind of thing I was thinking when I said it (Which is to say reading, understanding, and then scoffing at those rules and intentionally and explicitly disregarding them).

It's all in the spirit of how you go about "breaking" them.

So yea, I suppose Rule of Cool could be a good way of putting it.

3WhiteFox3
2013-08-25, 04:44 PM
What about summing up the theme as just being "Rule of Cool"?

Yeah. That's fine.

EDIT: I'd like to nominate 'No Rest For The Wicked' - Crime and Criminals

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-25, 04:51 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Those Poorly-Drawn Hands|Cartoons
Spelling: It's Important.|Magic
"How the !@#$?"|Rule of Cool
'No Rest For The Wicked'|Crime and Criminals

[/table]

Just need 4 more!

Razanir
2013-08-25, 04:57 PM
Sing Us a Song: Musicals and musical theatre. It could be a parole officer who hunts down the same person for decades, a phantom that lives under an opera hall, or even some sort of mischievous fey that attacks anyone who names Macbeth That Scottish Play

Benly
2013-08-25, 05:09 PM
Macbeth is a musical? You've got a heck of a theatre director.

Drop The Bomb: Explosions.

Razanir
2013-08-25, 05:14 PM
Macbeth is a musical? You've got a heck of a theatre director.

Drop The Bomb: Explosions.

I meant it in reference to the theatrical superstition, not in reference to the play.

Benly
2013-08-25, 07:46 PM
I meant it in reference to the theatrical superstition, not in reference to the play.

I know the superstition, I'm just funning you. :smallsmile:

Razanir
2013-08-25, 08:04 PM
I know the superstition, I'm just funning you. :smallsmile:

Fair enough. It does bring up a good point, though, that a lot of Shakespeare could be interesting as a musical.

(shudders at the mental image of Mercutio singing his death speech)

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-08-26, 07:49 AM
The one time I felt I had something, things have constantly killed my drive to get it completed. I had a disaster with my car on the way up to maine, my grandmother died last week, and all around just constant business that I hadn't been prepared for.

I'm going to have to withdraw my entry. :smallfrown::smallannoyed:

Someday, Tanuki! Someday.:smallsigh:

SamBurke
2013-08-26, 10:25 AM
The one time I felt I had something, things have constantly killed my drive to get it completed. I had a disaster with my car on the way up to maine, my grandmother died last week, and all around just constant business that I hadn't been prepared for.

I'm going to have to withdraw my entry. :smallfrown::smallannoyed:

Someday, Tanuki! Someday.:smallsigh:
Awwwww... Sorry man. Sounds like you've got more important things ATM, though...

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-27, 08:09 AM
The one time I felt I had something, things have constantly killed my drive to get it completed. I had a disaster with my car on the way up to maine, my grandmother died last week, and all around just constant business that I hadn't been prepared for.

I'm going to have to withdraw my entry. :smallfrown::smallannoyed:

Someday, Tanuki! Someday.:smallsigh:

Dude, that's just terrible! Don't worry about this contest if you've got all that on your plate!

gr8artist
2013-08-28, 04:06 PM
For the "Fire of the Sky" theme, could we re-phrase it as "Wrath of God," including lightning/meteors? Although i have no problem with Fire of the Sky as a theme itself. Mildly restrictive, but could be fun.

I would like to suggest "Monster Master", which would include everything from pokemon, digimon, monster-rancher, dragon warrior monsters, etc...
My entry would be a base class with nearly half a dozen ways of acquiring pets and training them, and maybe learning some abilities from them.

If allowed a second suggestion, I'll go with "Charon's Wages," meaning assassins, hired guns, mercenaries, and vile contracts. (money and death, or just money in general)

Also, to promote votes, you may want to consider a new rule for the next contest: You cannot submit themes for the contest until you've voted for the current or ongoing contest.
(for example, you couldn't suggest this month's theme (All Grown Up) without having voted in last month's contest (Call of a Hero))

SamBurke
2013-08-28, 05:42 PM
For the "Fire of the Sky" theme, could we re-phrase it as "Wrath of God," including lightning/meteors? Although i have no problem with Fire of the Sky as a theme itself. Mildly restrictive, but could be fun.

I would like to suggest "Monster Master", which would include everything from pokemon, digimon, monster-rancher, dragon warrior monsters, etc...
My entry would be a base class with nearly half a dozen ways of acquiring pets and training them, and maybe learning some abilities from them.

If allowed a second suggestion, I'll go with "Charon's Wages," meaning assassins, hired guns, mercenaries, and vile contracts. (money and death, or just money in general)

Also, to promote votes, you may want to consider a new rule for the next contest: You cannot submit themes for the contest until you've voted for the current or ongoing contest.
(for example, you couldn't suggest this month's theme (All Grown Up) without having voted in last month's contest (Call of a Hero))

I support this pretty whole-heartedly. Peeps! Your participation makes this a thing!

gr8artist
2013-08-28, 06:03 PM
Thanks. :-)
also, I added a Big Bad T-Rex... it's a CR 13, but its bite attack is terrible. It already had swallow whol0e, so I tweaked the template to reflect that possibility. It deals 12d6 with a full breath to wooden structures, ouch. It can blow away medium size creatures, with hurricane force winds.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-08-28, 07:54 PM
Also, to promote votes, you may want to consider a new rule for the next contest: You cannot submit themes for the contest until you've voted for the current or ongoing contest.
(for example, you couldn't suggest this month's theme (All Grown Up) without having voted in last month's contest (Call of a Hero))

Look on the other side of that: The voting ended on the 20th, and I didn't post in this thread (and haven't for several months) until after the voting had ended. Prevent people from trying to help after they can literally no longer vote raises the perceived barrier to entry, which hinders growth.

gr8artist
2013-08-28, 08:09 PM
Ok, so new people would be exempt from the rule. But if you voted for the last month's theme, you need to vote for the winner before proposing a theme for the next month.

Benly
2013-08-28, 08:42 PM
For the "Fire of the Sky" theme, could we re-phrase it as "Wrath of God," including lightning/meteors? Although i have no problem with Fire of the Sky as a theme itself. Mildly restrictive, but could be fun.

Wrath of God is a cool thing but it's different from fire in the sky.



Also, to promote votes, you may want to consider a new rule for the next contest: You cannot submit themes for the contest until you've voted for the current or ongoing contest.
(for example, you couldn't suggest this month's theme (All Grown Up) without having voted in last month's contest (Call of a Hero))

I'm opposed to this, simply because I don't like voting for the winner of a contest I'm participating in if there's no rule against self-voting. It feels kind of awkward to vote for myself, but at the same time if I didn't like my entry I wouldn't have submitted it.

3WhiteFox3
2013-08-29, 01:00 AM
Also, to promote votes, you may want to consider a new rule for the next contest: You cannot submit themes for the contest until you've voted for the current or ongoing contest.
(for example, you couldn't suggest this month's theme (All Grown Up) without having voted in last month's contest (Call of a Hero))

I oppose this. What if someone forgot to vote or just didn't get around to it? Penalizing them for that is probably going to just cause frustration and the desire to try something else. There's also the fact that voting does take some time, going through all of the entries and getting a solid enough grasp of them to honestly rank them takes me a bit of time. That can also push people away if now they are being forced to sacrifice some of their time to just submit a theme.

This rule would also mean that it would take longer to get the number of themes to start voting on them, since some people would be unable to because they didn't vote.

I think that the goal is a very noble one, but in the long run would probably hurt the competition more than it helps. That's my opinion about it.

gr8artist
2013-08-29, 02:37 AM
Ok, modifying my previous suggestion: Everyone gets one submission. If additional submissions are needed, new contestants and those who have voted may submit again as needed. Older players who have yet to vote may not make a second submission until they have voted for the previous competition.

Clears up a lot of the "so-and-so doesn't get to nominate" problems. Thoughts?

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-29, 07:33 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Those Poorly-Drawn Hands|Cartoons
Spelling: It's Important.|Magic
"How the !@#$?"|Rule of Cool
'No Rest For The Wicked'|Crime and Criminals
Fire in the Sky|Lightning and/or Meteors
Monster Master|Monster collection games
Charon's Wages|Contract killers and other mercenaries
[/table]

We need 1 more! I want to power through these votes as fast as possible and open this contest on the 2nd. Girlfriend has been home more often than normal and Fall semester has started up, so my attention has been kind of other places.

@Gr8: I...really don't see the point in such a rule.

@Everyone else: Does anyone other than Benly have issue with the fact you're allowed to vote for your own entry?

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-08-29, 07:36 AM
@gr8artist - I don't know. I mean, I understand giving incentives to get people to vote for the contests...but I think this is an occasion of I'd rather have quality instead of quantity. Think of it this way - It takes time commitment to vote properly - especially when there are many entries. This is one of the reasons I don't vote every month. Sometimes I have the time, but others (like this month) I didn't. If I had to vote in order to suggest categories, I'd be tempted to skim through, and that isn't really fair to the entrees. People took the time to post these, and getting basic ideas for each one without fully exploring the post is just...in my opinion...bad. I know I'd want people to fully look over my entree to make their votes. Someone might have a great idea, but not the follow through in the rest of their entree. Someone might have a common idea, but spin it in a unique way. This is why I refuse to vote if I can't devote some time to doing it. I'm not going to half-bass it, and just pick 5, and I feel if I'm tempted to do so, other people will certainly be as well, if not more.

Further, making someone vote to suggest a second category, or even a first category, means that you are slowing the process for picking next month's category, which doesn't work great. We NEED 16 to run the selection process. If we don't get it, things get delayed. So making it so people can't fill the gaps...seems counter intuitive.

Just my 2 cents. Wish I had a better suggestion. :smallredface:

EDIT!

@ Tanuki Tales - Topic - Spaaaaaaaaaaaace! - Aliens, spaceships, and other interplanetary intracies. Also, I don't mind voting for myself, if I think it worthy enough to get it. It's hard to monitor things like that, for obvious reasons.

Benly
2013-08-29, 09:54 AM
@Everyone else: Does anyone other than Benly have issue with the fact you're allowed to vote for your own entry?

Just to clarify, I don't mind that people are allowed to vote for themselves - I just don't like voting for myself, personally, but I'll usually think my own entry is in the top three (because, well, if I didn't think it was at least that good I probably wouldn't think it was ready to be submitted to a contest.)

SamBurke
2013-08-29, 10:14 AM
Just to clarify, I don't mind that people are allowed to vote for themselves - I just don't like voting for myself, personally, but I'll usually think my own entry is in the top three (because, well, if I didn't think it was at least that good I probably wouldn't think it was ready to be submitted to a contest.)

This is the same for me.

gr8artist
2013-08-30, 01:56 AM
I've never really felt right voting for myself, even when I feel that my submission is better than some others, because I know I'm not biased.
I try to assess all of the submissions equally, but it's hard to not appreciate your own work. I would rather not be allowed to vote for myself.
If I'm allowed to, then I must consider the possibility that my entry is better than others, but I can't make a fair judgement because I'm far more familiar with my own entries.

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-30, 08:23 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|0
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|0
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|0
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)|0
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|0
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers|0
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.|0
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|0
Those Poorly-Drawn Hands|Cartoons|0
Spelling: It's Important.|Magic|0
"How the !@#$?"|Rule of Cool|0
'No Rest For The Wicked'|Crime and Criminals|0
Fire in the Sky|Lightning and/or Meteors|0
Monster Master|Monster collection games|0
Charon's Wages|Contract killers and other mercenaries|0
Spaaaaaaaaaaaace!|Aliens, spaceships, and other interplanetary intracies|0
[/table]


One does not expect to leave their house at noon and not get home until midnight. :smallsigh:

Anyways, there's your 16 categories and per usual, you get 8 votes for the first round. Don't dilly dally, because I'm moving on to the next round tomorrow.

And that's 3 people, so if we get 2 more having issue with the policy, I will review it.

malonkey1
2013-08-30, 08:34 AM
Mad Man in a Magic Box
The Mythic Journey
Phasing Out
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
Those Poorly-Drawn Hands
"How the !@#$?"
'No Rest For The Wicked'
Fire in the Sky

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-08-30, 08:35 AM
Mad Man in a Magic Box
Fire and Brimstone
The Mythic Journey
Phasing Out
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
"How the !@#$?"
'No Rest For The Wicked'
Spaaaaaaaaaaaace!

SamBurke
2013-08-30, 11:02 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|0
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|0
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|0
The Wasteland|Wasteland (either natural or artificial)|0
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|0
Bring Down The Hammer|Literal or Metaphorical Hammers|0
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.|0
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|0
Those Poorly-Drawn Hands|Cartoons|0
Spelling: It's Important.|Magic|0
"How the !@#$?"|Rule of Cool|0
'No Rest For The Wicked'|Crime and Criminals|0
Fire in the Sky|Lightning and/or Meteors|0
Monster Master|Monster collection games|0
Charon's Wages|Contract killers and other mercenaries|0
Spaaaaaaaaaaaace!|Aliens, spaceships, and other interplanetary intracies|0
[/table]


One does not expect to leave their house at noon and not get home until midnight. :smallsigh:

Anyways, there's your 16 categories and per usual, you get 8 votes for the first round. Don't dilly dally, because I'm moving on to the next round tomorrow.

And that's 3 people, so if we get 2 more having issue with the policy, I will review it.
Phasing Out
Charon's Wages
Fire in the Sky
How the !@#$?
Fire and Brimstone
The Mythic Journey
Fire in the Sky
Mad Man in a Magic Box.

gr8artist
2013-08-30, 04:02 PM
Fire and Brimstone
The Wasteland
Phasing Out
We Built this City (On Rock and Roll)
How the !@#$?
Fire in the Sky
Monster Master
Charon's Wages

Do we have links to all the old competitions and voting rounds somewhere? I'm not sure I won the awards you sent me.

Benly
2013-08-30, 04:12 PM
Fire and Brimstone
The Wasteland
Bring Down The Hammer
Phasing Out
No Rest For The Wicked
Fire In The Sky
We Built This City
Charon's Wages

SamBurke
2013-08-30, 04:13 PM
Fire and Brimstone
The Wasteland
Phasing Out
We Built this City (On Rock and Roll)
How the !@#$?
Fire in the Sky
Monster Master
Charon's Wages

Do we have links to all the old competitions and voting rounds somewhere? I'm not sure I won the awards you sent me.

It should be on the first page.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-08-30, 04:23 PM
Third Law
Mad Man in a Magic Box
Fire and Brimstone
The Wasteland
The Mythic Journey
We Built This City
"How the !@#$"
SPAAAAAAAAACE!



(Dat panic moment when you start a new page and think you made a new thread accidentally)

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-31, 11:28 AM
It should be on the first page.

The link to the old contests are on the first page. I may be kind of bad at keeping other things up to date in a regular fashion, but I generally keep the first page and my sig up to date on the day.

As for the voting thread, I'm a little bad at linking to them from the contest page, but I'm trying to get better at remembering to do that.

What trophies don't you think you won Gr8?

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-31, 11:36 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|0
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|0
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|0
Phasing Out|Teleportation, Planar Travel, etc.|0
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|0
"How the !@#$?"|Rule of Cool|0
'No Rest For The Wicked'|Crime and Criminals|0
Fire in the Sky|Lightning and/or Meteors|0
[/table]

And we're down to eight. You get 4 votes and I close this round tonight!

SamBurke
2013-08-31, 11:37 AM
The link to the old contests are on the first page. I may be kind of bad at keeping other things up to date in a regular fashion, but I generally keep the first page and my sig up to date on the day.

As for the voting thread, I'm a little bad at linking to them from the contest page, but I'm trying to get better at remembering to do that.

What trophies don't you think you won Gr8?

Sorry... I didn't mean the bold as sarcasm, I was just directing him there. :smallfrown:

-Rule of Cool
-Phasing Out
-Mad Man in a Box
-Fire and Brimstone

Ilorin Lorati
2013-08-31, 11:53 AM
Wow, how many months had Third Law been on the list? And it's out now, like the end of an era.



Mad Man in a Magic Box
Mythic Journey
We Built This City
"How the !@#$?"

SamBurke
2013-08-31, 12:20 PM
Wow, how many months had Third Law been on the list? And it's out now, like the end of an era.



Mad Man in a Magic Box
Mythic Journey
We Built This City
"How the !@#$?"


I have had the most glorious Idea for about 6 months now for that thing. It was gonna be a sci-fi class based on the idea of altering body chemistry, and it was gonna be all science-y and crap. But nooooooooooooo

Ilorin Lorati
2013-08-31, 01:11 PM
I have had the most glorious Idea for about 6 months now for that thing. It was gonna be a sci-fi class based on the idea of altering body chemistry, and it was gonna be all science-y and crap. But nooooooooooooo

Don't let a silly little contest stop you.

SamBurke
2013-08-31, 02:06 PM
Don't let a silly little contest stop you.

It's more of a life thing. This contest serves to dynamite my apathy. :smallbiggrin: But thanks!

3WhiteFox3
2013-08-31, 02:11 PM
The Mythic Journey
"How the !@#$?"
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
'No Rest For The Wicked'

malonkey1
2013-08-31, 02:25 PM
Mad Man in a Magic Box
The Mythic Journey
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
"How the !@#$?"

Benly
2013-08-31, 03:39 PM
Fire and Brimstone
Phasing Out
No Rest For The Wicked
Fire In The Sky

Tanuki Tales
2013-08-31, 05:15 PM
Sorry... I didn't mean the bold as sarcasm, I was just directing him there. :smallfrown:

Oh, I wasn't taking it as that. It was more me affirming to myself that I keep up with at least something. :smallredface:

gr8artist
2013-09-01, 05:21 AM
My Votes:
Fire and Brimstone
Phasing Out
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
"How the !@#$?"

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-01, 08:38 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|0
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|0
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|0
"How the !@#$?"|Rule of Cool|0
[/table]

And we're down to four! You get 2 votes and per usual I close tonight.

Razanir
2013-09-01, 09:10 AM
*raises hand*

So will we get an extra day or two at the end of this contest since we aren't starting until a few days into the month?

(Or was this an extension from earlier this summer that I forgot about. Because that's always I possibility)

Anywho, my votes:

Madman in a Magic Box
And because I can't vote for the Whoverse twice, Mythic Journey

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-01, 09:28 AM
Mythic Journey
"How the !@#$?"


(Funny thing is, I'll probably be able to make the same thing if either of these win)

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-01, 10:29 AM
*raises hand*

So will we get an extra day or two at the end of this contest since we aren't starting until a few days into the month?

(Or was this an extension from earlier this summer that I forgot about. Because that's always I possibility)

I gave an extension earlier in the summer? o.o *memory fart*

And yes, this month's is unofficially extended until we get a final theme.

Razanir
2013-09-01, 11:27 AM
I gave an extension earlier in the summer? o.o *memory fart*

No, no, I was wondering if *I* had a memory fart. And judging by your confused reaction, I'll assume I'm imagining things.

malonkey1
2013-09-01, 12:03 PM
Mad Man In a Magic Box
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)

Razanir
2013-09-01, 02:33 PM
Mythic Journey
"How the !@#$?"


(Funny thing is, I'll probably be able to make the same thing if either of these win)

Actually, so might I. My inspiration for a class would be the famous Red Mage Statscowski.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-01, 03:26 PM
Actually, so might I. My inspiration for a class would be the famous Red Mage Statscowski.

And I have some inspiration coming from Exalted.

SamBurke
2013-09-01, 03:57 PM
Mythic Journey
"How the !@#$?"

are my two choices.

3WhiteFox3
2013-09-02, 12:09 AM
Mythic Journey
"How the !@#$?"

Benly
2013-09-02, 05:06 AM
We Built This City
"How the !@#$?"

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-02, 10:54 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|0
"How the !@#$?"|Rule of Cool|0
[/table]

And it's the finals!

1 vote each and I close it out tonight!

SamBurke
2013-09-02, 11:19 AM
Rule of Cool.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-02, 11:31 AM
"How the !@#$?"

(As much as I want to play explicitly with the mythic rules, I think we need more than two weeks to dive into it before we rip them apart.)

SamBurke
2013-09-02, 11:56 AM
"How the !@#$?"

(As much as I want to play explicitly with the mythic rules, I think we need more than two weeks to dive into it before we rip them apart.)

OHhhhH! THAT Mythic... huh.

I'd definitely choose that next month.

malonkey1
2013-09-02, 12:37 PM
Rule of Cool.

3WhiteFox3
2013-09-02, 12:49 PM
"How the !@#$?"

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-02, 02:51 PM
OHhhhH! THAT Mythic... huh.

I'd definitely choose that next month.

It's entirely possible that it's an error on my part, but that's what I took it as.

SamBurke
2013-09-02, 04:30 PM
It's entirely possible that it's an error on my part, but that's what I took it as.

Well, if it is an error, then I'll suggest something for the Mythic rules next time.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-02, 04:33 PM
To be honest, from what I saw, the stuff for Mythic looked really boring.

3WhiteFox3
2013-09-02, 06:45 PM
To be honest, from what I saw, the stuff for Mythic looked really boring.

When I suggested it, I was honestly leaning more towards the high-fantasy aspect, as well as the ideas of Joseph Campbell (the heroic journey in particular). If people would rather wait until next month, I've got no issues with it.

gr8artist
2013-09-02, 07:03 PM
I vote for Rule of Cool as well.

And, for future reference, are the Mythic rules released for the OGL yet? I assume the theme for the Mythic category would be demigods, greco-roman pantheons, etc.?

Edit:
In case you didn't have them and didn't want to go through the trouble of looking them up, I tracked down the links for the most recent contests and their voting threads...
I was wrong about not having won the awards you gave me, btw. I apparently can't math.
XV: Gamer's Gambit
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281759
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286190
XVI: Once More, with Feeling!
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286192
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290764
XVII: Call of a Hero
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290766
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295550
XVIII: They're All Grown Up!
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295553

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-03, 10:31 AM
And, for future reference, are the Mythic rules released for the OGL yet?


The content has been OGL since release, but the community SRD willingly doesn't put anything up until two weeks after its release. At the moment I believe John is having some issues formatting the Mythic rules for the website, though.

Milo v3
2013-09-03, 06:21 PM
I have no idea what this Mythic thing is.... :smallredface:

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-03, 06:37 PM
I have no idea what this Mythic thing is.... :smallredface:

Paizo's replacement for high powered rulesets like Epic levels.

Milo v3
2013-09-03, 06:47 PM
Paizo's replacement for high powered rulesets like Epic levels.

Ah... Anyone have a link or anything?

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-03, 07:21 PM
How the !@#$? appears to be our new theme!

The contest will remain open till tonight and I'll put up the new one tomorrow.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-04, 10:51 AM
Alright, old contest is closed, voting thread is open and the new contest is up and running.

Razanir and Caled; both of your entries were complete enough to be able to be judged, but next time please make sure your entry is complete by the deadline.

malonkey1
2013-09-04, 11:26 AM
Alright, old contest is closed, voting thread is open and the new contest is up and running.

Razanir and Caled; both of your entries were complete enough to be able to be judged, but next time please make sure your entry is complete by the deadline.

Yeah. I already have the perfect idea for mine.


"I'M BAD!"

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-04, 04:58 PM
Ah... Anyone have a link or anything?

At the moment, only if you're willing to buy the book: http://paizo.com/products/btpy8ywe?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Mythic-Adventures

None of the Community sites (d20pfsrd.com, Archives of Nethys) have been updated with the Mythic rules yet.

smoke prism
2013-09-04, 05:48 PM
I've posted my entry, the cloak knight.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-04, 05:59 PM
Guys, going to remind you again about GitP's rules on using images with homebrew:


1. You need the explicit permission of the creator before using it. Just giving them credit is not, I repeat not sufficient.
2. If the image is a fan art of copyrighted material and is not created by yourself, you need both the creator's permission and the permission of the copyright holder. So if someone did a fan drawing of the Hulk, you'd need the artist's, Marvel's and Disney's explicit permission to use it.
3. If the image is a photograph of official merchandise or otherwise of copyrighted material then you only need the photographer's explicit permission.
4. Even if the image is fair use or public domain, you need to state as such.

It's not a high priority, but this is something Roland has already said he'd hand out strict warnings and bans over.

Milo v3
2013-09-04, 06:00 PM
At the moment, only if you're willing to buy the book: http://paizo.com/products/btpy8ywe?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Mythic-Adventures

None of the Community sites (d20pfsrd.com, Archives of Nethys) have been updated with the Mythic rules yet.

Alas as a teenager I have... no moneys. Guess I'll skip that competition if it comes up.

On the otherhand the Action Hero class coming up. :smalltongue:

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-04, 06:00 PM
Seems like this is something that we should make sure of on the first day:

Are epic levels even considered to be Pathfinder compatible? Paizo itself has made it pretty clear that they don't like the concept of levels higher than 20 (math breaking down, etc, etc.)

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-04, 06:01 PM
Seems like this is something that we should make sure of on the first day:

Are epic levels even considered to be Pathfinder compatible? Paizo itself has made it pretty clear that they don't like the concept of levels higher than 20.

They have some cribbed rules about it, so go with whatever they said until it's corrected otherwise.

malonkey1
2013-09-04, 07:57 PM
Guys, going to remind you again about GitP's rules on using images with homebrew:


1. You need the explicit permission of the creator before using it. Just giving them credit is not, I repeat not sufficient.
2. If the image is a fan art of copyrighted material and is not created by yourself, you need both the creator's permission and the permission of the copyright holder. So if someone did a fan drawing of the Hulk, you'd need the artist's, Marvel's and Disney's explicit permission to use it.
3. If the image is a photograph of official merchandise or otherwise of copyrighted material then you only need the photographer's explicit permission.
4. Even if the image is fair use or public domain, you need to state as such.

It's not a high priority, but this is something Roland has already said he'd hand out strict warnings and bans over.

Alright, sorry, I will correct that.

Razanir
2013-09-05, 07:01 PM
1) The link to the chat thread in the contest still takes you to the old one.
2) Okay, I have an entry; I just need to decide how many levels it will be (and more abilities). So far I know it'll be a PrC themed around Red Mage Statscowski from 8-Bit Theater

sengmeng
2013-09-05, 08:24 PM
I posted my barbarian archetype, the boomzerker.

PEACHes welcome (I literally looked up the pathfinder rules right before I started making it, so I have no idea if it's right or what, but archetypes seemed pretty straightforward, so what the hey).

zhdarkstar
2013-09-05, 08:44 PM
Added the skeleton to my Liberal Arts Major base class. First set of courses should be up after a short break.

DawnbringerSO
2013-09-06, 04:45 AM
Sorry Ive been so quiet, but Ive been on holiday, and I still am. At an internet cafe at the moment.

zhdarkstar
2013-09-06, 04:23 PM
Laid down the foundation for the athletics program. It's going to be a 4 course progression across the 4 tiers, with the option of a 5th course to redshirt for extra functionality. Sports equipment will be added to give an added bonus to athletes of that sport.

After the athletics program is done, I'll move onto the actual education system for the non-martial abilities.

gr8artist
2013-09-06, 04:38 PM
Alright. I have no idea what I'm going to submit for this contest. I came up with a few possibilities, and I'd like to poll the audience and see which one you'd enjoy seeing more. I'll give it a couple days before I start working on my submission.
Offspring of Stinson - Probably a race, spawned from the loins of legen-wait for it-dary philanderer Barney Stinson. Easily recognized because they're almost always the best dressed in the room, and able to convince others of the most extraordinary lies.
Exemplar - Base class with the ability to do practically anything you can, but better (as a class feature).
Munchkin - Base class with mostly meta-game abilities (rerolls, sneak peeks, loaded dice, etc.) and a lot of humor.
Demigod - Probably a race, or a creature template. The ichor in your veins allows you to manifest powers and abilities that are far superior to those of mere mortals, though it comes with a strange alienation and a sense of superiority that makes it hard to form meaningful bonds.

malonkey1
2013-09-06, 04:44 PM
I'd most like to see the Offspring of Stinson. I bet they'd have a Glibness racial SLA (although that'd make some of them pretty OP.)

Razanir
2013-09-07, 08:35 AM
Munchkin - Base class with mostly meta-game abilities (rerolls, sneak peeks, loaded dice, etc.) and a lot of humor.

Maybe not this one. I'm already planning on submitting Red Mage from 8-Bit Theater, which would result in a lot of metagaming humor.


Demigod - Probably a race, or a creature template. The ichor in your veins allows you to manifest powers and abilities that are far superior to those of mere mortals, though it comes with a strange alienation and a sense of superiority that makes it hard to form meaningful bonds.

If you go with this one, be sure to make them illiterate/dyslexic.

gr8artist
2013-09-07, 12:44 PM
Percy Jackson fan, eh?
I read the books, and couldn't help thinking that it sounded just like a pretty serious Scion campaign.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-07, 06:21 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
Name Pending| Build-a-NPC
[/table]


So, I don't want a delay like what happened with the last month, so I'm getting this out of the way as early as possible now. I've also thrown in my own idea, which I mentioned a month or so ago; I hope no one minds.

malonkey1
2013-09-07, 08:24 PM
Rhythm Revolution: Combos and rhythms. Wardrummers whose songs become more powerful as they go on; karate warriors who pull out increasingly long combos, scoring hit after h-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!

Milo v3
2013-09-08, 09:46 PM
Just went through a third party book for 3.5e and found The Soldier of Truth. A warrior who believes in one truth: Everything is a Lie. And with this, they can defy the laws of physics to do awesome stuff...

Yeah... I'm totally making a PF conversion....

zhdarkstar
2013-09-08, 11:35 PM
If we're still taking ideas for next contest, I'd like to put That's All Folks! (Cartoon Physics) back on the ballot.

I think I've reached a good stopping point for freshman level courses. I'd like some honest feedback for my concept of tuition/financial aid, along with any other comments.

malonkey1
2013-09-09, 08:40 AM
Alright, I've got one: Plato's Pride. A contest theme pertaining to the Platonic solids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid), shapes regarded as perfect by the ancient world. If they look familiar, they should. They make up all the D&D's standard dice except for the d10.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-09, 10:36 AM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
Name Pending|Build-a-NPC
Rhythm Revolution|Combos and Rhythms
That's All Folks!|Cartoon Physics
Plato's Pride|Platonic Solids
[/table]

Razanir
2013-09-09, 10:43 AM
Alright, I've got one: Plato's Pride. A contest theme pertaining to the Platonic solids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid), shapes regarded as perfect by the ancient world. If they look familiar, they should. They make up all the D&D's standard dice except for the d10.

I call the d12!

gr8artist
2013-09-09, 02:17 PM
I'd like to see Monster Master back on the ballot.
And my fiance' was a fan of We Built This City. She'd vote for that if she'd ever remember.

Edit: Offspring of Stinson ideas...
The bro code (Su): You must be of a lawful alignment. You react to spells as though you were chaotic.
What do you even do for a living? (Ex): You gain 150 gold, every month, for the purposes of procuring room and board. Any excess gold not needed to pay for room and board disappears when you receive your next payment, possibly to pay for gambling expenses.
Suit up (Ex): This creature wears only the finest and most expensive garments. It begins play with a suit of Noble's Clothing, complete with jewelry and ornamentation. While wearing clothing worth 70 gold or more, the Offspring of Stinson gains a +2 suit bonus to will saves.
Legen - wait for it - dary (Su): The Offspring of Stinson is a master of the game, pickup lines, and taking advantage of the mildly inebriated. This knowledge is inherent to their nature, and so strong that it is passed down to their children, should they choose to have them. The offspring of stinson may, at their whim, become infertile or fertile until they decide otherwise. While fertile, the chances that an offspring of stinson would conceive a child are increased to 75%. Children of the offspring of stinson always inherit the offspring of stinson template.
The offspring of stinson gains Glibness as a spell-like ability usable 1/day, at a CL equal to their hit dice.
they also gain Bluff, Diplomacy, and Perform as class skills. The offspring of Stinson is a master of body language and innuendo. He knows at least one reasonably successful pickup line in every language, and gains a +1 on checks involving pickup lines for every rank he has in Linguistics, Bluff, and Perform (oratory).

3WhiteFox3
2013-09-09, 06:57 PM
I'd like to suggest Now You See Me... Performance Magic.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-10, 04:23 PM
I realize that this could possibly end up feeling like stepping on toes, but perhaps Those That Came Before, building off previous contest entries (or just someone else's homebrew in general).


Edit: BTW, the community SRD has updated with the mythic rules here (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/mythic), for the people wanting to see them in the last few weeks.


Edit 2: I've been really busy the last week or so and I'm not sure if it's going to slow down in time, but I do feel obligated to at least try to do something. I'm considering doing some kind of luck based class, most probably a supporter that focuses on making his allies the big damn heroes. Any opinions on that idea?

DawnbringerSO
2013-09-11, 01:30 PM
Well I just got back from holiday and I'll say third law.

SamBurke
2013-09-12, 08:13 AM
Well I just got back from holiday and I'll say third law.

We just can't get past that one, can we?

Hopefully it gets taken this time, finally.

zhdarkstar
2013-09-12, 04:22 PM
We just can't get past that one, can we?

Hopefully it gets taken this time, finally.

Third Law is like Thunderdome. You can never get BEYOND THUNDERDOME!!! :smalltongue:

Anywho, the power of barcana has finally been revealed! I'd say I've got about 80% of the courses completed and 90% of the items. Only thing left for courses are things like Speech and Underwater Basket Weaving.

Don't think I was going to forget about UBW... :smallcool:

EDIT: I think all that's left for courses is the last three tiers of sports. Minors are where things are going to come together for added bonuses. Average build will have 2-3 minors without taking Extra Audit.

EDIT 2: Minors are up and running. I'd say that the class is complete enough for entry, but will likely see an equipment update here and there before the deadline.

gr8artist
2013-09-13, 04:40 AM
Ok, got my submission up.
The Talisman of Terror, a magical item template. I mean, we don't have to follow the normal rules, right?
It's basically a particularly cunning and evil intelligent item. What makes it extra scary is that it can possess other items and make them evil as well. If you keep one in your inventory for too long, you'll find yourself with two or three, then half a dozen. Then, when you least expect it, half of your gear suddenly stops working, or even provides a penalty.
And when you die, they all make themselves stronger by harvesting your soul, and they wait patiently for the next lucky traveler to pick up his loot.

I'll try and revue everyone else's submissions soon.
Any opinions on the ToT would be greatly appreciated.

SamBurke
2013-09-13, 10:15 AM
That is awesomely creepy and I support it.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-13, 12:17 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
Name Pending|Build-a-NPC
Rhythm Revolution|Combos and Rhythms
That's All Folks!|Cartoon Physics
Plato's Pride|Platonic Solids
Monster Master|Monster collection games
Now You See Me...|Performance Magic/Prestidigitation
Those That Came Before|Based on previous entries
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general

[/table]

We need four more folks! And I'd love for someone to come up with a name for the NPC one. >.>

malonkey1
2013-09-13, 12:29 PM
{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
Name Pending|Build-a-NPC
Rhythm Revolution|Combos and Rhythms
That's All Folks!|Cartoon Physics
Plato's Pride|Platonic Solids
Monster Master|Monster collection games
Now You See Me...|Performance Magic/Prestidigitation
Those That Came Before|Based on previous entries
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general

[/table]

We need four more folks! And I'd love for someone to come up with a name for the NPC one. >.>

How about "Us Regular Folks" as the NPC theme's name.

Additionally, for a new theme, let's try "Mix and Match", mixing two existing classes/items/monsters/etc.

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-09-13, 12:31 PM
For NPC -

Haven't I met you before?

or

If it has a Name it's Important!

or

If You Can't Play them...

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-13, 12:56 PM
Additionally, for a new theme, let's try "Mix and Match", mixing two existing classes/items/monsters/etc.

What does this mean exactly?

malonkey1
2013-09-13, 01:29 PM
What does this mean exactly?

Well, to cite an example from core pathfinder, the Magus (merging Wizard and Fighter), or the Arcane Trickster (combining arcane spellcasting with rogue-ish skills and abilities), or the classic monster the Chimera, a mix of about half-a-dozen creatures. The idea being to take the powers and traits of two disparate classes or creatures, and try to merge them.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-13, 01:42 PM
Well, to cite an example from core pathfinder, the Magus (merging Wizard and Fighter), or the Arcane Trickster (combining arcane spellcasting with rogue-ish skills and abilities), or the classic monster the Chimera, a mix of about half-a-dozen creatures. The idea being to take the powers and traits of two disparate classes or creatures, and try to merge them.

Sounds good!

{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes
If it has a Name it's Important!|Build-a-NPC
Rhythm Revolution|Combos and Rhythms
That's All Folks!|Cartoon Physics
Plato's Pride|Platonic Solids
Monster Master|Monster collection games
Now You See Me...|Performance Magic/Prestidigitation
Those That Came Before|Based on previous entries
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general
Mix and Match|Fusing of old concepts into something new


[/table]

Edit:

Here's a rundown on the Bad Dude!

I honestly don't have much to say other than it amuses me greatly. :smallbiggrin:

It's definitely more powerful than anything pre-epic, but is still so ridiculously weaker than anything that was actually expected of epic gameplay back in DnD that I could see this actually being allowed. My only gripe is that it should require a BaB of +20 and not +21, since that would require you to already have levels in an epic class.

gr8artist
2013-09-14, 03:01 AM
My only gripe is that it should require a BaB of +20 and not +21, since that would require you to already have levels in an epic class.
Not quite. A warrior 2/ fighter 19 has the same CR as a fighter 20. He loses the capstone, and the extra feat, but he picks up an extra hit die and BAB.

SamBurke
2013-09-14, 08:01 AM
Not quite. A warrior 2/ fighter 19 has the same CR as a fighter 20. He loses the capstone, and the extra feat, but he picks up an extra hit die and BAB.

Tanuki's Point still stands... setting up a class so that you assume the player takes NPC levels is never a really good idea.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-14, 09:28 AM
Tanuki's Point still stands... setting up a class so that you assume the player takes NPC levels is never a really good idea.

Are there GMs who use CR over Character Level for regular levels instead of just "LA"? :smallconfused:

SamBurke
2013-09-14, 10:21 AM
Are there GMs who use CR over Character Level for regular levels instead of just "LA"? :smallconfused:

Not I, said the Burke.

malonkey1
2013-09-14, 10:26 AM
I'm with Tanuki-san on this. BAB 21, even at straight full BAB, would require epic levels. I'm fixing the requirements.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-15, 03:19 PM
We need three more themes guys! And if you haven't voted, please do so. I think today is the last day.

SamBurke
2013-09-16, 09:14 AM
Vote, indeed! We didn't have too many entries last time, so it should be fairly easy.

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-09-16, 09:23 AM
:smallconfused: :smallsigh: I can vote today, but Tanuki posted that yesturday, so it might be already done.

SamBurke
2013-09-16, 10:08 AM
:smallconfused: :smallsigh: I can vote today, but Tanuki posted that yesturday, so it might be already done.

Go ahead and vote, I guess, and let the internet chips fall where they may?

Not sure if that's the right metaphor, at all.

gr8artist
2013-09-16, 01:18 PM
Themes (Posting multiple, pick your favorite. Don't take them all just because I suggest them, but others can feel free to second one of these)
Root of all evil - Money, greed, gambling.
The road less travelled - Drugs, alcohol, addiction.
Augmented reality - Going crazy, altered perceptions, illusions.
With style - Showmanship, flair, self-expression.
You're so meta - Thinking outside the box, divine intervention, messing with game rules.

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-09-16, 01:27 PM
Theme: Macguffin - entries must be plot setting hooks that revolve around a powerful item. The item must be stated out, and a synopsis of the intended plot for this item.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-16, 01:38 PM
I actually misremembered the days. The voting is open for another day or two. :smallredface:

Edit:

{table=head]Proposed Name|Theme|Votes
Mad Man in a Magic Box|Whoverse|0
The Mythic Journey|Mythic characters and High Fantasy|0
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)|Rock songs|0
Fire and Brimstone|The Lower Planes|0
If it has a Name it's Important!|Build-a-NPC|0
Rhythm Revolution|Combos and Rhythms|0
That's All Folks!|Cartoon Physics|0
Plato's Pride|Platonic Solids |0
Monster Master|Monster collection games|0
Now You See Me...|Performance Magic/Prestidigitation|0
Those That Came Before|Based on previous entries|0
Third Law|Magitech and technology in general|0
Mix and Match|Fusing of old concepts into something new|0
Root of all evil|Money, greed and gambling|0
The road less traveled|Drugs, alcohol and addiction|0
MacGuffin|Creation of Plot-centric item and plot that revolves around it|0


[/table]


You all know the drill; 8 votes for each of you and I close it out at 11:59 pm EST on the 18th.

malonkey1
2013-09-16, 02:07 PM
"I'm So Meta, Even This Acronym": - Thinking outside the box, divine intervention, messing with game rules.

Fix'd that for ya.

EDIT: My votes are as follows

Mad Man in a Magic Box Replaced with The Mythic Journey due to thread agreement.
We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)
If it has a name it's important
Plato's Pride
Now You See Me
Those That Came Before
Mix and Match
MacGuffin

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-09-16, 02:36 PM
Mad Man (though I think it would be fitting if it were the same month as the 50th anniversary)
We Built This City
If it has a name it's important!
Monster Master
Now You See ME
Mix and Match
The Road Less Travelled
MacGuffin

SamBurke
2013-09-16, 04:56 PM
The Mythic Journey
McGuffin (Because yes, this must be a thing, oh please let this be a thing)
If it Has a Name, it's Important
I'm So Meta Even This Answer
Third Law
Those that Came Before
Mix and Match
Now You See Me

Razanir
2013-09-16, 08:52 PM
The Mythic Journey
Rhythm Revolution
That's All Folks
Plato's Pride
Monster Master
Now You See Me...
Third Law
MacGuffin

Also, I propose a special vote: Who else would agree to declaring that the November theme will be Madman in a Magic Box in honor of the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Special?

SamBurke
2013-09-16, 09:46 PM
The Mythic Journey
Rhythm Revolution
That's All Folks
Plato's Pride
Monster Master
Now You See Me...
Third Law
MacGuffin

Also, I propose a special vote: Who else would agree to declaring that the November theme will be Madman in a Magic Box in honor of the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Special?

I fully agree.

Tanuki Tales
2013-09-16, 09:56 PM
Give me 5 people agreeing and I'm all for it.

But then I'll need to strip that one from the voting and re-do the voting once we get a replacement theme.

TheWombatOfDoom
2013-09-16, 10:35 PM
I'll vote for the 50th anniversary. I first mentioned it after all.

Edit: and so, if it does come to that, I'll change my original 8 votes to the same, but switch Mad man to Mythic Journey

malonkey1
2013-09-17, 08:22 AM
I agree too. I'm looking forward to the 50th.

Ilorin Lorati
2013-09-17, 11:49 AM
I agree, that should be it for November.


As for my real votes:


Mythic Journey
We Built This City
Rhythm Revolution
Monster Master
Those That Came Before
Third Law
Mix and Match
The Road Less Traveled