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Darth Paradox
2006-12-12, 03:28 PM
Finally we meet the (ostensible) good guys. You can tell they're supposed to be the good guys because they're pretty, and not inhabiting a spiky, pits-of-doom-filled office.

Jillian's Peep Gwiffon has 2 move left, and they end the turn. Looks like the RTS-predicting people had it spot on. It remains to be seen whether it's actually a game, or if that just happens to be how their world works.

Lizard
2006-12-12, 03:47 PM
So Jilliian isnt that "perfect warlord"? Damn it...

I begin to wonder who will be the main propagonist and to which faction will he(she?) belong....

Knight13
2006-12-12, 04:07 PM
Wow, I like Jillian already. She's either completely oblivious to Ansom's invitation or doesn't care. Either way, she rocks.

Eldhrin
2006-12-12, 04:10 PM
Jillian I definitely like, but then I liked her from her character bio when it mentions her predeliction for unrealistically oversized weaponry.

Name_Here
2006-12-12, 04:27 PM
Well technically it's a turn based strategy. But I definatly like Jillian. Both because she rides a "gwiffon" that is just adorable and because of he handling of Ansom.

Niles
2006-12-12, 04:54 PM
I think if you read the character description, it was quite obvious that Anson was going to be the perfect Warlord they were going to summon (in his quote 'plan' is written 4 or 5 times).
The art is amazing, but I think it takes too much of the available space, leaving almost no place for the plot to advance. I hope it gets more OotS-like in this aspect. Other than that, it's turning out pretty cool.

Mewtroid
2006-12-12, 04:58 PM
I agree, if we don't start getting more panels per page, this thing is gonna take FOREVER.

Nazzo, the 102nd
2006-12-12, 05:36 PM
I think if you read the character description, it was quite obvious that Anson was going to be the perfect Warlord they were going to summon (in his quote 'plan' is written 4 or 5 times).

That would be... odd. I clearly remember Wanda stating that Lord Stanley should spend the treasure to buy that Findamancer's spell because if he didn't Prince Ansom would seize it. So, it appears that Prince Ansom and Lord Stanley are in opposite sides here.

if the Findamancers summon the enemy... It would be hilarious!

Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins
2006-12-12, 05:40 PM
Which is why, Nazzo, it is most likely to happen.

Drakuul
2006-12-12, 06:28 PM
I love the progression - too much plot in one page would make it move WAY too fast, really looking forward to the next installment and REALLY hope it'll be published around the 120-150 page mark.

Put me down for a trade paperback :)

Demented
2006-12-12, 06:47 PM
Jillian's Peep Gwiffon has 2 move left, and they end the turn. Looks like the RTS-predicting people had it spot on. It remains to be seen whether it's actually a game, or if that just happens to be how their world works.

Definitely NOT RTS. RTS = Real-Time Strategy. This is Turn-Based.

Gwiffon... Gwyffon? Flying-plush-ducky!

Knight13
2006-12-12, 06:55 PM
I don't know why you guys think Ansom will be the summoned Warlord, nothing in his bio suggests it. He's the Warlord for Lord Slately, Stanley's enemy.

innovan
2006-12-12, 07:29 PM
I thought those eyes looked like they were from "The Jetsons"!

Although since Prince Ansom comes from "The Jetstone Tribe" we can expect some Flintstones homages also here. (Like King "Slately", and the character looking vaguely like Wilma taking the Gwiffin.)

"Spacerock" must be a very strange looking capital indeed. Hopefully the Jar Jar of The Flintstones, Dino the Dog, doesn't make an entrance too soon.

The game they're in seems a homage to Tom Wham games published in Dragon Magazine back in the 1980s, even to the "cutesy" monster names. Possibly they're in
"Search for the Emperor's Treasure"[/URL]
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/2919 (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/2919)
or "Kings & Things"
[url]http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/58

Yobgod
2006-12-12, 08:43 PM
Hrm... I don't remember any particularly "cutesy" names in Search for the Emperor's Treasure, unless you think "Oliver J. Dragon" or "Edna Troll" are cutesy.

The game definately looks like one of those turn-based strategy games where you conquer territory, collect money, buy commanders and various troop units and (possibly) cast global and battlefield spells. Master of Magic was an early one in the genre, but there have been so many since that it's probably impossible to pin down one (or even a few) specific games that were a direct influence here.

Best to just live with the fact that it's "Fantasy-themed turn-based strategy" and move on.

I understand the point to the r/w transliteration and other re-languaging... you want to evoke the general concept of Trolls and Dragons and Diviners without fully tying yourself to everything they have come to be associated with in the general fantasy consciousness. Many authors will make up entirely new names for everything, but that is hard on the readers... using altered versions seems a good compromise, even if the 'w's do sometimes make many of us (me included) wince.

I'm definately enjoying it so far. The "Elvish" Titans still make me smile...

Aliquid
2006-12-12, 09:00 PM
Jillian says "Yeah barely. That Gwiffon has 2 move left", when grammatically, it should be "moves".

Is this a reference to the way people talk in games? Am I missing an in-joke, or is it just bad grammar.

Roethke
2006-12-12, 09:05 PM
Hmm, is it just me, or did anyone else think the last panel was an explosion and not a sunset?

Anyhow, Bravo so far. Still need to be sold on the 'w's, but we'll see, lots of fun otherwise.
~Roethke

RusVal
2006-12-12, 09:31 PM
Turn-based, eh? Oh well, I was close.

So far, liking Jillian. Something about gruff chicks...

Jerthanis
2006-12-12, 09:53 PM
I'll like Jillian if she manages to avoid the stereotypes prevading the cliche of "tough chick" We've had all of three lines, one of which was utilitarian, another of which exposed world or setting information, and the third actually developed a character. It's still far too early to tell exactly whether she's an awesome character or not, but signs point to reasons for cautious optimism so far. I did specifically mention that I'd like it more if the characters from the first 6 pages didn't end up being the main protagonists, so I'm pretty happy that turned out to be true.

Moody the Wise
2006-12-12, 10:30 PM
Jillian says "Yeah barely. That Gwiffon has 2 move left", when grammatically, it should be "moves".

Is this a reference to the way people talk in games? Am I missing an in-joke, or is it just bad grammar.

Yes, I believe it is a reference to the way people talk in games; in a lot of strategy games a unit will have a certain amount of move as a statistic. That's just the way it's expressed. Particularly in games where the move statistic is relatively high. For example, a Griffon (or "gwiffon") might have 24 move. I guess now that I'm trying to justify it, it sounds silly, but that's just the way it is.

And as for the sunset/explosion question: it's interesting speculation, but it sure looks like a sunset to me. I think an explosion would have been much more dramatic.

Roethke
2006-12-12, 10:34 PM
Another vaguely random observation...

Panel #3, the red-haired woman directing the Gwiffon Landing,
Uncanny resemblance to Wilma Flintstone?
You be the judge.

http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/betty_wilma.jpg

Wonderpus
2006-12-12, 10:59 PM
Another vaguely random observation...

Panel #3, the red-haired woman directing the Gwiffon Landing,
Uncanny resemblance to Wilma Flintstone?



I thought the same thing. Can't say I understand the significance, though...

Roethke
2006-12-12, 11:03 PM
Well glad to know that if I'm delusional, at least it's shared.

My guess is that it's Jung coming out and biting the artist's butt.

jami
2006-12-12, 11:24 PM
Well glad to know that if I'm delusional, at least it's shared.

My guess is that it's Jung coming out and biting the artist's butt.

OUCH! My poor bum! :smallbiggrin:

IronSoldier820
2006-12-12, 11:27 PM
And as for the sunset/explosion question: it's interesting speculation, but it sure looks like a sunset to me. I think an explosion would have been much more dramatic.


My guess?

Its the morning in Warlord Ansom's camp, and that noise is the trumpets sounding off for battle.

Roethke
2006-12-12, 11:33 PM
My guess?

Its the morning in Warlord Ansom's camp, and that noise is the trumpets sounding off for battle.



I'm pretty sure now it's a sunset, it just took me awhile to get past the idea that it's an explosion. Left me confused for a bit. But sunset makes sense. Ansom is ending his turn after all. Though I guess you could end at sun-up.

I bet what happened, was that I checked the forums first, glimpsed the "blowing up Erfworld" thread without really paying attention, then went and saw the comic. Darned subliminal messages.

Wallyz
2006-12-12, 11:33 PM
The game definately looks like one of those turn-based strategy games where you conquer territory, collect money, buy commanders and various troop units and (possibly) cast global and battlefield spells. Master of Magic was an early one in the genre, but there have been so many since that it's probably impossible to pin down one (or even a few) specific games that were a direct influence here.

Best to just live with the fact that it's "Fantasy-themed turn-based strategy" and move on.



I vote for Warlords 3. Big heads and too much questing causing a high level hero to hire crappy heroes to lead half assed defenses.

I'm just sayin.

Roethke
2006-12-12, 11:50 PM
Hoho. Just checked the Pun translation thread, and it seems there's some Flintstones references being tossed about. Perhaps the Wilma lookalike is part of some diabolical plot to... hmm, have a "gay old time". Or something. now I'm intrigued.

Thes Hunter
2006-12-13, 12:30 AM
Um? Why is this thread sticky?

Just curious. :smalleek:

Drakuul
2006-12-13, 12:51 AM
For the same reason that OOTS #388 - The Discussion Thread is a sticky.

jami
2006-12-13, 01:10 AM
Um? Why is this thread sticky?

Just curious. :smalleek:

Heh, have you ever microwaved a peep! That thing gets sticky as all hell! :smallwink:

I don't know either *shrugs*

Drakuul
2006-12-13, 01:17 AM
*Coughs and points up*

This is the discussion thread for page 7 of Erfworld, therefore it's stickified exactly like OOTS discussion threds for the latest page there.

Was I not clear enough the first time?

Thes Hunter
2006-12-13, 03:21 AM
*Coughs and points up*

This is the discussion thread for page 7 of Erfworld, therefore it's stickified exactly like OOTS discussion threds for the latest page there.

Was I not clear enough the first time?


Mea Culpa :smallredface:, you are correct that there does seem to be a precedent for threads on the current page in the OoTS section. I must have missed it even though I have been around the forums a bit now. I have not generally made a habit of trolling the comics pages forum. So I must have missed that little tibbit of protocol.

And though I know that tone on the internet is a hard thing to read, it might be good if you didn't come across as caffeine junky going without their morning liter of coffee, when you are trying to answer someones question. :smallsmile:

charles
2006-12-13, 06:08 AM
1. the reference to turns and moves is just their reference to days and distance (signaled by the fact the turn ended at sunset). OR...

2. It really does reference to table top strategy games (signaled by those words, the armies in the first page and the name "battle for Gobwin Knob" which is a common style of naming in table top campains).

SO... If so, will it also sell a supplement or something for a table top campain in the "battle of Gobwin Knob" to work with an existing table top system?

I drool with anticipation to see how this comic pans out... sorry about the mess.

GKBeetle
2006-12-13, 09:06 AM
Seeing as it looks like updates will only be a single page, I don't think there's anyway this comic is going to move along fast enough to make me want to check it regularly. I think I may check maybe once a month or something.

Darth Paradox
2006-12-13, 12:28 PM
Yep, "RTS" was a typo on the first post. I know the difference, I think my fingers were just going faster than my brain there. (Is "TBS" a common acronym?)

AngryGreek
2006-12-13, 02:10 PM
Hrmm, I'll keep checking it for a while, but so far there has been no chuckles, no grins, and nothing really compelling me to come back and view it other than the hopes that maybe it will become more interesting / more humourous in the coming weeks.

Nerd_Paladin
2006-12-14, 12:41 AM
I agree that this page-at-a-time comic book format just isn't cool. I like the material thus far (I was giggling over "key lime pie" for a good solid day), but I've not the patience for such small installments. Might invest in a TPB though.

Shhalahr Windrider
2006-12-14, 01:11 PM
So Jilliian isnt that "perfect warlord"? Damn it...
I'm doubting we will ever see that "perfect warlord." They're using a croakamancer in place of a findamancer. That has "Huge mixup. Hilarity ensues." written all over it.

I'm hoping Sizemore the Dirtomancer is the one summoned. :smallbiggrin:

Niles
2006-12-14, 03:38 PM
My mistake: I wasn't aware that he was the Stanley enemy's Warlord (as a matter of fact I can't find Wanda or Stanley stating that King Slately is their enemy). But knowing that, it would be hilarious if Wanda ended up summoning Ansom, indeed.

Hivemind Ghost
2006-12-14, 04:47 PM
I love the battle system, because it reminds me of Fire Emblem.

This does have potential as a comic, and I'll keep up with it.

It's just a pity it's been introduced during one of the best OotS sub-arcs ever, as it's kind of overshadowed.