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Setra
2007-01-06, 04:48 AM
V loves power, he seems to seek it, like it's more important than his own life.... he also wears red robes, and is supposedly True Neutral...

Raistlin loves power, he seeks it, it's more important to him than his life... he used to wear red robes and was supposedly True Neutral back then...

Now he is a Chaotic Evil Mage of Pure Awesomeness...

Turn back V! Before you take on the black robes as well!

Edit: Something I find humorous; if polls are so bad, why drop in just to vote that they are? The only people who have voted the 'polls must die' option, have yet to post in this topic.

danielf
2007-01-06, 04:53 AM
"Fear is the path to the dark side: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

Zone
2007-01-06, 05:21 AM
Nah. Raistlin was just human, Vaarsuvius is elf. And V hasn't any twins.

Setra
2007-01-06, 05:24 AM
Yeah, but the persuit of power, often leads to evil...

Darth Vader being another example... Also, what about Raistlin's Elven Apprentice?

Azukar
2007-01-06, 05:59 AM
Has V's alignment been mentioned already? I can't remember any reference to it..

Khantalas
2007-01-06, 05:59 AM
Raistlin is CE? I thought he was NE.

If only I could get my hands on the AD&D Dragonlance campaign setting...

EDIT: Ooh! Typo! I meant NE.

Setra
2007-01-06, 06:16 AM
Has V's alignment been mentioned already? I can't remember any reference to it..

No, but many speculate it to be True Neutral

Raistlin is CE? I thought he was LE.

If only I could get my hands on the AD&D Dragonlance campaign setting...

Well from the fact he was perfectly willing to kill his Twin Brother, whom took care of him all his life... I've always believed him to be Chaotic Evil, also Wikipedia said he was CE after taking the Black Robes.

Azukar
2007-01-06, 06:25 AM
True Neutral? You mean s/he goes both ways? Well, that's got to lead to some interesting scenarios, and destroys any chance of ever discovering his/her gender based on his/her "mate". Personally I suspect that Vaarsuvius has to be genderless, just because that's how this kind of plotline tends to run.

Coffee_Dragon
2007-01-06, 08:56 AM
Has V's alignment been mentioned already? I can't remember any reference to it..

I seem to recall that Rich has confirmed all OotSers except Belkar are Good. It was a good while ago, and the search function doesn't seem to want to go there.

Setra
2007-01-06, 08:58 AM
Regardless, when you seem to like power as much as V does... it's a short step away.

This isn't a thread about V's Alignment or Gender, making those threads kill kittens you know.

Edit: I couldn't resist saying something about V's four words.. what if they are "I am Fistandantilus reborn" he could say it to like.. Takhisis... okay that theory is down the drain. Though if anyone, Raistlin had Ultimate Arcane Power... killing Gods is not to be taken lightly.

TRM
2007-01-06, 09:17 AM
"Fear is the path to the dark side: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

I don't think V has been particularly fearful up to now :smallbiggrin:

Green Bean
2007-01-06, 09:18 AM
I don't think (s)he'll turn evil, mainly because of the Oracle's prophecy. V knows that (s)he'll eventually get ultimate arcane power, so (s)he isn't as desparate for power as Raistlin was.

Or, the demon lords could offer hir expresso, and in that case, I fear for the world.:biggrin:

Iranon
2007-01-06, 11:30 AM
It also bears mentioning that V would make a damn good villain without any alignment shifts.

Having him turn officially evil would be both unnecessary and cliché.

Kish
2007-01-06, 12:45 PM
V loves power, he seems to seek it, like it's more important than his own life.... he also wears red robes, and is said to be True Neutral...

Passive voice alert! Vaarsuvius is a teakettle.


Raistlin loves power, he seeks it, it's more important to him than his life... he used to wear red robes and was supposedly True Neutral back then...

Now he is a Chaotic Evil Mage of Pure Awesomeness...

Actually, this is only accurate if "now" means "during the Legends trilogy." At the most recent point in Dragonlance continuity, whatever Raistlin is, he's not a Chaotic Evil Wizard or Sorcerer (of Pure Awesomeness or otherwise).


Turn back V! Before you take on the black robes as well!

Edit: Something I find humorous; if polls are so bad, why drop in just to vote that they are? The only people who have voted the 'polls must die' option, have yet to post in this topic.

Why would someone who hates polls and wants them to go away dignify one by posting in its thread?

The Extinguisher
2007-01-06, 03:11 PM
"Fear is the path to the dark side: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

Wait, doesn't something lead to gluttony?

Anyway, I don't think V will go evil. It just wouldn't play well. And I don't think V is true neutral, either.

1337_master
2007-01-06, 03:25 PM
V loves power, he seems to seek it, like it's more important than his own life.... he also wears red robes, and is said to be True Neutral...

Raistlin loves power, he seeks it, it's more important to him than his life... he used to wear red robes and was supposedly True Neutral back then...

Now he is a Chaotic Evil Mage of Pure Awesomeness...

Turn back V! Before you take on the black robes as well!

Edit: Something I find humorous; if polls are so bad, why drop in just to vote that they are? The only people who have voted the 'polls must die' option, have yet to post in this topic.

Wait, HE? no no no no, me-thinks you mean SHE :biggrin:

teratorn
2007-01-06, 03:31 PM
Wait, doesn't something lead to gluttony?

Anyway, I don't think V will go evil. It just wouldn't play well. And I don't think V is true neutral, either.

As we have seen through Belkar's example, a little knowledge can turn a psycho into a good loving being. No way more knowledge would turn someone good evil. The seeds of evilness would have to be there already, and they aren't. Power doesn't corrupt as much as it attracts the corruptible.

InuSaga
2007-01-06, 03:48 PM
I don't think Raistlin and V compare. In "Dungeon Crawlin' Fools", The Giant said that V (and that evil dark elf in the linear guild, ZZ'tdri, or whathaveyou) wore red and green robes respectively as a nod to The Giant's world of his own creation. You know, the one that made it into the finals in the WotC contest for the new campaign setting, but wasn't chosen. :smallfrown: Anyway, I've always assumed OotS took place in that world, and has absolutely nothing to do with Dragonlance (cuz that would be copywrite infringment). The fact V and Raistlin have both at some point in their lives worn red robes means nothing. Yes, V is power hungry, but I think it's ulimate arcane knowledge he's after, not so much power. Let me go look.


EDIT: Well, crud. The only things I can find online have him talking about ultimate arcane power. In the "Origins" book, though, V took part in the IronMage challenge so he could have access to the IronMage libraries. I always figured him as not so much a power hungry wizard with a wannabe god complex as a knowitall bookworm who wants to have complete knowledge of everything.

Demented
2007-01-06, 05:02 PM
Well, if V would just raise/lower his/her standards, V could have Ultimate Cosmic Power instead of Ultimate Arcane Power and not have to worry about all that Raistlin stuff.

P.S.
The thread seemed perfectly fine without a poll.
Can't resist voting for locking something up with Elan, anyhow.

Thella
2007-01-06, 05:08 PM
V has shown too much self restraint with Belkar to be evil. If (s)he were evil Belkar would have been blasted for the juicy piece of XP that he is!

Narthon the Bold
2007-01-06, 05:26 PM
Since Setra complained about people voting against polls:
Why bother to make this topic at all, and why make it a poll if you don't want to debate V. Personally, I don't expect it to get much coverage at all, as it is generally the least fleshed out and most boring character.

EddieBird
2007-01-06, 07:02 PM
I was tempted to vote polls are bad, NOT because I hate polls but because the Elan on crack sentence is hilarious. I'm thinking most of your "polls are bad" votes are actually "this is freakin' funny" votes.

DrowWolfrider
2007-01-06, 08:29 PM
"Fear is the path to the dark side: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

Exept V is so full of himself that he hardly has any fear

DrowWolfrider
2007-01-06, 08:31 PM
Since Setra complained about people voting against polls:
Why bother to make this topic at all, and why make it a poll if you don't want to debate V. Personally, I don't expect it to get much coverage at all, as it is generally the least fleshed out and most boring character.

I hate double posting but I just noticed yours, and I wonder If you are smoking crack, oh and amen Eddiebird amen

Setra
2007-01-06, 08:55 PM
Well my point was, if they disliked polls, then why only vote for the poll, and not actually go into discussion?

Anyways, I knew the thread didn't need a poll, I just love polls. It's fun to see how your opinion measures up against the general populace of an area/forum.

I think V could very well turn evil, and honestly I was kidding when I ever said it might be a bad thing. I think it would be cool if he were to go evil...

About Belkar, it wasn't quite 'knowledge' that made him 'good' it was 'wisdom', and 'knowledge' about 'power' has been shown to cause evil in many individuals.

Power corrupts, Absolute Power (Perhaps even Arcane) Corrupts Absolutely.

Wiione
2007-01-06, 11:36 PM
V loves power, he seems to seek it, like it's more important than his own life.... he also wears red robes, and is said to be True Neutral...

V seems more LN to me.

teratorn
2007-01-06, 11:36 PM
Power corrupts, Absolute Power (Perhaps even Arcane) Corrupts Absolutely.
Cliche from Hollywood about the mad scientist.

V has a mean side, that we have seen in #127 (wizard Elan), although she shows remorse. The most revealing in terms of alignment were strips #211 to #213 and #220 (start/end of the dirt farmers saga). Haley shows a side that we had seen before (towards Elan), extreme goodness, while V shows she can ignore other people's suffering if it delays her thirst for knowledge. Who knows, maybe the seeds for evilness are there.

Shadow of the Sun
2007-01-06, 11:39 PM
Power only corrupts the weak. Those of strong mind, moral and virtue will not be corrupted by power.

Reptilius
2007-01-06, 11:49 PM
I think he's Neutral now, but may be evil later. Remember; he gets ultimate arcane power by saying the right four words to the right being at the right time for all the wrong reasons.

Grod_The_Giant
2007-01-06, 11:49 PM
meh. V's just CN. She/He's to loyal to his/her friends (even Belkar) to be truely evil.

and I voted for the 'no more polls!' because this one seemed so obvious.

The Extinguisher
2007-01-07, 01:05 AM
Power doesn't corrupt. It just attracts those who are corrupted.

Setra
2007-01-07, 01:06 AM
meh. V's just CN. She/He's to loyal to his/her friends (even Belkar) to be truely evil.

and I voted for the 'no more polls!' because this one seemed so obvious.

Many evil people were once loyal to their friends, Darth Vader being one of my favorite examples.

Then ya screw with his head a bit and he kills a building full of children, and even his own wife.

Edit:

Power doesn't corrupt. It just attracts those who are corrupted.

Then what about those who seek power for the good of others? Many people seek power for that purpose, then once they have it.. and see how easily people fall to them, they kinda let it go to their head.

I'm not so bad a person, but given enough power I'd certainly try to take over the world.

The Extinguisher
2007-01-07, 01:17 AM
Fine, it attracts those willing to be corrupted.

Daracaex
2007-01-07, 01:30 AM
And what about striving for personal perfection. It's called a monk and it's right in the PHB. I think V is Neutral Good or Caotic Good and won't be corrupted. I also think he will be given the choice at some point between the lives of his friends or the ultimate arcane power promised him and have to give up the power. Such a offer will probably be extended by the snarl.

Setra
2007-01-07, 01:59 AM
Fine, it attracts those willing to be corrupted.
Then why would Gandalf seek power? He had to at one point in order to become a wizard, at least one as powerful as he.

The Extinguisher
2007-01-07, 02:06 AM
Willing, sub-consciously, to be corrupted. If someone seeking power was not wanting to be corrupted (even sub-consciously), he would not seek power, for fear it would corrupt him.

Those who in some way are fine with it will seek power.

Shadow of the Sun
2007-01-07, 02:22 AM
Gandalf existed with power in the first place, he was an angelic being clothed in the body of a man. The power was inherent. Also, he doesn't seek power- he turned away the ring, remember?

Khantalas
2007-01-07, 02:51 AM
Wasn't Gandalf a Valar? Or something? One of the "Children" of Eru?

teratorn
2007-01-07, 02:54 AM
Wasn't Gandalf a Valar? Or something? One of the "Children" of Eru?

He was a Maia.

Shadow of the Sun
2007-01-07, 02:57 AM
Thus a powerful angelic being.

Khantalas
2007-01-07, 02:58 AM
See, I've never read Silmarillion past the first 10 pages. The book wasn't even mine.

Though why would anyone compare Raistlin and V, I have no idea.

Setra
2007-01-07, 04:22 AM
See, I've never read Silmarillion past the first 10 pages. The book wasn't even mine.

Though why would anyone compare Raistlin and V, I have no idea.

Because it's fun, honestly.

Edit: Instead of reviving the topic, I am just going to add that, I never knew he was a demigod, and honestly how many people do know this? And Yes I realize my logic was flawed in the first place, my only point in this thread was to have a fun discussion.

Amon Star
2007-01-07, 08:21 AM
I think it's possible. Also, it will be quite dramatic and increase :vaarsuvius:'s already great sex appeal, because everyone loves a bad boy/girl.

Charles Phipps
2007-01-07, 08:59 AM
Then what about those who seek power for the good of others? Many people seek power for that purpose, then once they have it.. and see how easily people fall to them, they kinda let it go to their head.

I'm not so bad a person, but given enough power I'd certainly try to take over the world.

The Bene Gesserits answer to that is that power in this case is attracting people weak in mind. Those who want power in order to "set the world aright" are not exactly thinking clearly about its nature to begin with. You have to seek it also to get the level of power you need in order to be twisted.

Adeptus
2007-01-07, 09:37 AM
No, and this is very silly.

Adeptus
2007-01-07, 09:40 AM
Then why would Gandalf seek power? He had to at one point in order to become a wizard, at least one as powerful as he.

Ug... (I can't believe I'm getting involved in something as silly as this, but...)

Gandalf is a Maia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_%28Middle-earth%29

That blows your logic right out of the water. He is basically a demigod, not somebody who started as a 1 lvl D&D character and chose to become a wizard.

Shadow of the Sun
2007-01-08, 06:51 AM
I said it first, mate

Psyke_D
2007-01-08, 02:10 PM
Well, the only reason im going to answer here (and i voted elan on crack option) is because raistlin is way cool.. Go Raistlin!

Oh, and i dont really think V would turn evil, although it would prove a nice clichéy twist..

Snake-Aes
2007-01-08, 02:27 PM
Raistlin loves power, he seeks it, it's more important to him than his life... he used to wear red robes and was supposedly True Neutral back then...

Now he is a Chaotic Evil Mage of Pure Awesomeness...

Turn back V!
DUUUUUDE You're completely losing the most important point here! THE HAIR!
V's hair is purple, Raistlin's ISN'T, can't you see how obvious it is?!!1!1!1!!!!111oneoneone

Tharj TreeSmiter
2007-01-08, 02:29 PM
Hey even Raistlin (my favorite character of the book by far) redeemed himself a bit in the "twins" trilogy.

Thog's Puppy
2007-01-09, 08:47 AM
Thog's Puppy think V should join up with Puppy Daddy . Me neend Puppy Mummy:smalltongue:

Shade000
2007-01-09, 09:02 AM
:vaarsuvius: would never turn evil, (s)he is too far in the oots now to be evil, the most likly person to turn is Belkar and he has a rune on his head that prevents as much.

Snake-Aes
2007-01-09, 09:21 AM
He doesn't need to turn evil, he IS evil XD

Kilbia
2007-01-09, 10:07 AM
The most revealing in terms of alignment were strips #211 to #213 and #220 (start/end of the dirt farmers saga). Haley shows a side that we had seen before (towards Elan), extreme goodness, while V shows she can ignore other people's suffering if it delays her thirst for knowledge. Who knows, maybe the seeds for evilness are there.

I don't think anything short of an aasimar *doesn't* have the seeds for evilness. V's got a thirst for knowledge, Roy's got his frustrations with Elan and Belkar, Haley's got serious mental issues (I mean, if her greed has pure motivations as indicated in strip #131, has it been explained in any of the books why she can't just tell the rest of the party about her dad being imprisoned rather than ripping them off at every turn?), and I'm sure someone else will happily come up with possibilities for Elan and Durkon.

Also, I seem to recall Vaarsuvius's main complaint being that the trip was a waste of hir POWER, not necessarily an obstacle to hir increasing her body of knowledge. If the OotS had not been Miko's captives at the time, and there had been an option for V to stay put while the rest of them nipped off to handle the dirt farmer situation, s/he may well have complained less. While there probably wouldn't have been any real opportunity to increase hir knowledge, at least s/he wouldn't have been asked to do the arcane equivalent of sandblasting soup crackers. Perhaps s/he could have scribed a new field grimoire (gah, I know there's a name for that in Complete Arcane, and I can't remember what it is) while s/he waited.

Mr Horse
2007-01-09, 04:57 PM
... err, V having red robes has nothing to do with his alignment. This is OotS, not dragonlance.

And either way, no I don't see how or why V would turn evil. If he's supposed to turn evil just because he wants to be a powerful wizard, there would be no good, powerful wizards by that logic then.

Kish
2007-01-09, 04:59 PM
He doesn't need to turn evil, he IS evil XD
Indeed, any of the members of the Order might turn evil...except Belkar. It is impossible for Belkar to ever turn evil.*

*Unless he turned non-evil first.

GSFB
2007-01-09, 11:32 PM
V is already a specialist. What else does s/he need to do to become a...

Red Wizard of Thay?

Amon Star
2007-01-10, 09:34 AM
V is already a specialist. What else does s/he need to do to become a...

Red Wizard of Thay?

Change race for a start, as they only allow humans in.

Angela Christine
2007-01-11, 04:32 AM
Indeed, any of the members of the Order might turn evil...except Belkar. It is impossible for Belkar to ever turn evil.*

*Unless he turned non-evil first.

What if they all (except Belkar) turned evil? Then the Linear Guild would be forced to turn good to maintain their evil opposites status.

Demented
2007-01-11, 04:50 AM
Belkar could always cross-class into Cleric and then turn evil... undead.

Snake-Aes
2007-01-11, 05:53 AM
Rebuke, more likely.
Undead don't scream for mercy, so he would just use them to make people scream for mercy!

Megalomaniac2
2007-01-11, 12:56 PM
Judging by today's strip (399), it's getting steadily more likely that V is beginning to hear the call of darkness.

Iball
2007-01-11, 01:10 PM
Judging by today's strip (399), it's getting steadily more likely that V is beginning to hear the call of darkness.

I agree - as much as I wouldn't want Vaarsuvius to fall into darkness, and the fact it is kinda a cliche (but then that never stopped the Giant before), it would be a groovy storyline, and add further depth to V's character. I went with Maybe, because I believe Vaarsuvius is too Inteligent to let power corrupt. It depends if he is able to achieve absolute power, really.

Ganjuu-kun
2007-01-11, 03:55 PM
She will totally turn evil. I mean, remember the oricle? V:"How will I acheive ultamate arcane power?" Oricle: "By saying the right 4 words to the right being at the right time for ALL THE WRONG REASONS". I think that pretty much sums it up. O, and V is totally a girl. Otherwise, the Order of the Stick would be pretty gender-biased, only having Haley.

Cleverdan22
2007-01-11, 09:12 PM
Nah. V sincerley cares about the team. He apologized to Elan, hugs Haley, and joins Roy even though he rips up the contract. Other than Belkar, V has no reason to turn on any of his comrades.

David94
2007-01-12, 01:10 PM
V sounded kinda evil BEFORE she joined the group... but not anymore. Quoth Vaarsuvius before joining the group,

"...and the seas shall boil over, and the sky will burn, while people look up at the tower of flame and cry, "Why? Why has the noble Vaarsuvius unleashed this destructive power?" And I shall answer..."

Zangor
2007-01-12, 01:25 PM
meh. V's just CN. She/He's to loyal to his/her friends (even Belkar) to be truely evil.

and I voted for the 'no more polls!' because this one seemed so obvious.

I don't see why people think evil can't be loyal. Just because you're ruthless or enjoy suffering doesn't mean you have no honor. I mean, while we're talking about Dragonlance, look at Steel Brigthblade! He's completely committed to evil, but he is just as honorable as his father.

Lord Magtok
2007-01-12, 03:56 PM
V sounded kinda evil BEFORE she joined the group... but not anymore. Quoth Vaarsuvius before joining the group,

"...and the seas shall boil over, and the sky will burn, while people look up at the tower of flame and cry, "Why? Why has the noble Vaarsuvius unleashed this destructive power?" And I shall answer..."

Plus #399 and the dirt farm thing both mentioned earlier...yeah, I think V is already evil. Just traveling with the Order as a means of easier XP. Traveling alone would be suicide.

GymGeekAus
2007-01-12, 04:28 PM
I think V is CG, like the vast majority of the elven race. Remember the Unholy Blight spell back from the early part of the strip? Even good guys are allowed to get annoyed, especially at stupidity (which challenges my own alignment all the time). Note that in the D&D universe, capital punishment for capital crimes is hardly an evil act (the LG consists of known murderers, after all). I've yet to see V trying to harvest any kidneys, and certainly not with any regularlity. I havent' seen V do any evil acts. And all he/she did this issue was play devil's advocate.

I don't think V has any exalted feats, which seems to be the standard everyone else is trying to use for goodness. V isn't a saint or anything. Sainthood is not the standard for goodness in D&D. I suggest everyone reread Celia's speech on alignments when the OotS was on trial in Azure City. I'll bet that fits in with the Giant's attitude on alignments the best.

And finally, I'm not quite sure how it matters--much like V's gender, it's a fairly irrelevant detail.

It seems much more important to argue over why he/she has purple hair. I haven't seen any prescedent for that in my experience with D&D.

Elves don't have purple hair!

:vaarsuvius: : Clearly I would not stoop to applying an artificial hue, either!
:sabine: : Sure. Natural dye job!
:vaarsuvius:: Disintegrate.

krossbow
2007-01-12, 04:29 PM
Yeah, but the persuit of power, often leads to evil...

Darth Vader being another example...




No, Vader proved that being Emo often leads to evil.
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Zanaril
2007-01-12, 04:41 PM
*stabs poll*

Anyway, yes, I could see V going evil. Maybe it's the amout of times s/he goes "dramatic moment" and the whole "ultimate, cosmic power" thing.

Also, V can be easily won over. Remember the whole bajoist thing? The only reason s/he didn't convert was because the coffee machine didn't make expresso.

PaladinFreak
2007-01-12, 04:48 PM
I really don't think V is evil, or even close to evil.

He/she is too compassionate. Yes, V loses it occaisonaly, such as with Elan's wizard thing, but everybody loses it sometimes. For me, the real pointer is that V felt really bad afterword, and did his/her best to make it up to him and explain.

I just can't see someone who is evil doing that.

Arian
2007-01-12, 04:56 PM
[Vaarsuvius] is generally the least fleshed out and most boring character.

Blasphemer! Vaarsuvius is wonderful and flat-out adorable. I would have his babies. If s/he turns out to be female, I might have to work out how to have her babies.

Calamity
2007-01-12, 04:58 PM
Plus #399 and the dirt farm thing both mentioned earlier...yeah, I think V is already evil. Just traveling with the Order as a means of easier XP. Traveling alone would be suicide.

Well, V cannot have been Evil before #201, as Miko's Detect Evil showed V to be Not Evil.

I think that, after #399 (I used to think that V was Neutral Good), V is True Neutral (Can act lawful, can act Chaotic, can act Good, can act Evil) I'll go fish for examples now :smalltongue:

V could turn Evil, but maybe s/he would be too ashamed to share even part of an alignment with Belkar? :smallwink:

Power doesn't seem to go to V's head too often, s/he often uses it to conjure up some plan. (Oots#10 is a good example, except, V never got to use his/her power very much there)
My vote: Maybe

GuesssWho
2007-01-27, 07:23 PM
Raistlin is CE? I thought he was NE.

Then he isn't LE? I thought he was LE.
And after he 'died' he went back to N, right? Or at least wasn't evil . . .

zachol
2007-01-27, 07:30 PM
Evil implies an active maliciousness.
People who are "just selfish," even to a fault, are still only neutral.

I highly doubt V will ever get to the point of actually being a jerk about something.
Selfish, yes, and likely to the point of chosing power over others, but still not evil.

The only exception might be a situation where V can get "ultimate power" via the destruction of others, at which point V would likely go with it.
As in, casting the spell that turns you into a god but requires the sacrifice of many others.

Star Shadow
2007-01-27, 07:54 PM
I don't think V is going to be evil, but you do bring up a valid point. Those crazy about power definitely tend to be evil.

Star Shadow
2007-01-27, 07:57 PM
She will totally turn evil. I mean, remember the oricle? V:"How will I acheive ultamate arcane power?" Oricle: "By saying the right 4 words to the right being at the right time for ALL THE WRONG REASONS". I think that pretty much sums it up. O, and V is totally a girl. Otherwise, the Order of the Stick would be pretty gender-biased, only having Haley.

Ha, see I think that V is totally a guy. All of the female characters in Order of the Stick have definite...ah...busts. V does not. But of course we will probably never know...

Iranon
2007-01-27, 09:08 PM
I see :vaarsuvius: as very willing to commit evil acts when giving sufficient incentive, but very unlikely to shift towards an evil alignment for exactly the same reason:

:vaarsuvius: is willing to consider every course of action, heedless of conventional morality, but remains bound by conscience. I could imagine a shift towards chaotic - if (s)he isn't CN already - but not evil. Having said that, Vaarsuvius would be excellent villain material even without an evil alignment as a result of losing perspective.