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Callos_DeTerran
2007-02-10, 02:59 PM
sadist?! Huh...didn't see that one coming. That is if Stanley has it right about how Wanda's reacting to the news of someone being caught. Thats not exactly an exhubarant look there. More worried in my opinion. Not to mention she seems to know who Stanley is talking about without him mentioning a name. Perhaps Jillian and Wanda have met before?

VanBuren
2007-02-10, 03:00 PM
I saw it as more of an unhinged glee, myself.

hewhosaysfish
2007-02-10, 03:12 PM
Not to mention she seems to know who Stanley is talking about without him mentioning a name. Perhaps Jillian and Wanda have met before?

Comic #8.

"You'll get croaked. Or captured, again... How many times would that make?"

Jillian's dined on dungeon slop before. Presumably the places she was being held were captured by Ansom's forces and she was released. I don't see the two sides as being cordial enough to negotiate any sort of deals.

I agree that Wanda looks more concerned than anything.

Aimbot
2007-02-10, 03:14 PM
That look isn't concerned.

Karellen
2007-02-10, 03:19 PM
My take on her expression is barely contained happiness. See how the corners of her mouth try to rise, while she fights to keep her usual calm demeanor! She may be a sadist, but she sure is a cute sadist.

Incidentally, might I put forth that Jillian definitely fits the bill of an "overlooked detail". I would be fairly surprised if Parson's complex and overly elaborate plan for defense doesn't involve her in a significant role.

Norsesmithy
2007-02-10, 03:21 PM
Probably something closer to a Dom than a Sadist, the best interogation methods are generally a mixture of cruelty and kindness, inhumanity and humanity.

Karellen
2007-02-10, 03:25 PM
It just occured to me, there's a very fine possibility that she just plain doesn't like Jillian. They're both women, and she's a rude stabbity barbarian type, and casters generally tend to have a permanent dislike of those.

Minchandre
2007-02-10, 03:43 PM
I don't think I've ever seen someone look so happy...it's almost like an addict preparing for another dose.

Aimbot
2007-02-10, 03:59 PM
I don't think I've ever seen someone look so happy...it's almost like an addict preparing for another dose.

I've seen that look on a woman only once. That was a very good night.

grinner666
2007-02-10, 04:59 PM
That is a look of hope and longing. I wouldn't be surprised if certain parts of her anatomy were extra-sensitive right now.

Yeah, she's a sadist.

The honest illusionist
2007-02-10, 08:53 PM
I've seen that look on a woman only once. That was a very good night.

That pretty much sums it up.

Shadow of the Sun
2007-02-10, 09:03 PM
I too have seen that look...on myself in the mirror, before my nervous breakdown. We cannot be sure until the next strip, people.

Erk
2007-02-11, 06:52 AM
I'd say outside of that panel if she was not keen on the interrogation she would wait to be ordered away, she would not beg to be released and then dash off with barely time to say goodbye.

Wanda has a kinky side. Not a big surprise really.

KillerCardinal
2007-02-12, 04:08 PM
I'd say outside of that panel if she was not keen on the interrogation she would wait to be ordered away, she would not beg to be released and then dash off with barely time to say goodbye.

Wanda has a kinky side. Not a big surprise really.

Just because she's eager fo the "interrogation" doesn't mean that she's going to be actually interrogating Jillian. She could be eager to get to her friend. (I know that sounded lame, but still...). Basically what I'm trying to say is that she may be eager, but that doesn't lead to only ONE conclusion.

mikeejimbo
2007-02-12, 06:06 PM
I have only one word to say about this: Kinky.

dauvis
2007-02-12, 06:48 PM
I can't help thinking that maybe Wanda is a spy. Given the number of times Jillian has been captured and the fact that Stanley is losing a bad as he is, something doesn't seem right. Maybe I'm just over-analyzing this.

Grendita
2007-02-12, 09:20 PM
Even if Wanda wasn't a spy, I wouldn't be surprised with Stanley losing so bad with the way he choses his leaders.

The_Old_Fox
2007-02-12, 11:25 PM
look at how Wanda is dress, of course she is a Dom and a sadist. And Jillian, a fierce and independent woman, is in her dungeon.

I have seen movies that start this way. :smallsigh:

However, I wonder how Parson will react to the idea of Wanda being a sadist who likes to torture people. I don't think that a guy calling himself Lord Hamster would approve of torture.

ShneekeyTheLost
2007-02-12, 11:35 PM
My own two cents:

Wanda's expression is more like an :smalleek: than a :smallbiggrin: . That and her first, instinctive response is 'No!', rather than 'Joy!' or something similar. She is most certainly not happy that Jillian is a prisioner.

Tool may think Wanda is wanting to interrogate Jillian. I think Wanda is worred about Jillian. I sense friendship, or at least camaradarie. After all, both Wanda and Jillian work for incompetant superiors, and both of them likely have to fend off unwanted advances constantly.

And as for Parson not wanting to torture... says who? It's an ends to a means of saving his game. I've ran games where characters, even LG characters, will torture NPC's for the purpose of gathering information which might help them win the adventure.

The_Old_Fox
2007-02-12, 11:51 PM
And as for Parson not wanting to torture... says who? It's an ends to a means of saving his game. I've ran games where characters, even LG characters, will torture NPC's for the purpose of gathering information which might help them win the adventure.


Yeah (but forgetting the fact that Parson is a fictional character in a web comic) this is not a game anymore for Parson. These are, in theory, real characters with there own will. Torturing and approving of torture in a game is very very different from torturing a person, and approving of torture in real life. It is easy enough to like the bad guys and play with morality on paper, behind a screen, or in an armchair, it is a lot more difficult with real people on the line (if that is what this is). And that is what I think may be at the heart of this comic (and I may be very far off the mark). It is easy to torture fake people and send fake soldiers to their deaths, I think Parson is going to have to face up to the fact that it is a lot more difficult and painful thing to do in reality.

Or I could be, like I said, way off and missing the point. This could be glossed over and mabye the moral of the story is to go outside everyonce and while and live life. Or, like most things, there is no moral or message and it is just a fun story and we should sit back, relax, and enjoy. :smallsmile:

Demented
2007-02-13, 12:27 AM
Wanda is going to spend the rest of her day in front of Jillian, laughing at her expense just to rub it in.

Exquisite sadism.

ShneekeyTheLost
2007-02-13, 01:17 AM
Yeah (but forgetting the fact that Parson is a fictional character in a web comic) this is not a game anymore for Parson. These are, in theory, real characters with there own will. Torturing and approving of torture in a game is very very different from torturing a person, and approving of torture in real life. It is easy enough to like the bad guys and play with morality on paper, behind a screen, or in an armchair, it is a lot more difficult with real people on the line (if that is what this is). And that is what I think may be at the heart of this comic (and I may be very far off the mark). It is easy to torture fake people and send fake soldiers to their deaths, I think Parson is going to have to face up to the fact that it is a lot more difficult and painful thing to do in reality.

Or I could be, like I said, way off and missing the point. This could be glossed over and mabye the moral of the story is to go outside everyonce and while and live life. Or, like most things, there is no moral or message and it is just a fun story and we should sit back, relax, and enjoy. :smallsmile:

Yes, but he thinks he's doing the whole Oz coma thing, which means all this isn't really 'real' to him, and he is in a place where all his gaming habits are his very weapons to use. He may very well acceed that torture of fallen opponents is not a bad thing, given these circumstances. Besides, who knows... maybe the game rules states it gives him a circumstance bonus to his Knowlege (opponent) check.

Uzraid
2007-02-13, 03:08 PM
Have posted on this topic elsewhere, but, seriously, Wanda's expression is exactly the expression on the woman's face in those DeBeers "A Diamond Is Forever" commercials from a few years back. You know, the one that made me, old cynic that I am, weak in the knees. You do not grin when everything you have hoped for in your heart comes true. It's too much like a pain for you to smile.

U

storybookknight
2007-02-13, 03:16 PM
I kind of got a weird vibe off of that picture - I'm thinking maybe she and Jillian are romantically involved? There's more going on than is readily apparent...

Aimbot
2007-02-13, 07:20 PM
My own two cents:

Wanda's expression is more like an :smalleek: than a :smallbiggrin: . That and her first, instinctive response is 'No!', rather than 'Joy!' or something similar. She is most certainly not happy that Jillian is a prisioner.

Tool may think Wanda is wanting to interrogate Jillian. I think Wanda is worred about Jillian. I sense friendship, or at least camaradarie. After all, both Wanda and Jillian work for incompetant superiors, and both of them likely have to fend off unwanted advances constantly.

I've finally put all the pieces together. Wanda is... A lawful good misunderstood halfling.

No, seriously. She's ecstatic. Not only is that facial expresion a look of barely retained composure obvious glee, it's also the closest thing to a smile we've ever seen on her. A lot of people say "no" in that manner when they're being pleasantly surprised, it's a common expression. I think you're grasping at straws. And when has the Tool shown any romantic interest in Wanda? He seems like a narcissist to me.

SteveMB
2007-02-13, 07:28 PM
I can't help thinking that maybe Wanda is a spy. Given the number of times Jillian has been captured and the fact that Stanley is losing a bad as he is, something doesn't seem right. Maybe I'm just over-analyzing this.
I don't see how that makes sense -- if she were working against Stanley, she could have simply gone along with promoting the next sucker to replace Manpower and not presented him with the alternative plan (or dropped it right away when he objected to the expense rather than argue it until he found out about the cheapskate self-service option).

Grimfist
2007-02-14, 01:13 AM
I don't think that a guy calling himself Lord Hamster would approve of torture.

You haven't read the hamstard.com comics, have you? :smalltongue:

dauvis
2007-02-14, 04:34 PM
I don't see how that makes sense -- if she were working against Stanley, she could have simply gone along with promoting the next sucker to replace Manpower and not presented him with the alternative plan (or dropped it right away when he objected to the expense rather than argue it until he found out about the cheapskate self-service option).

That could be how she is keeping Stanley in the dark. But yes, Wanda being a traitor is not very likely (my non-logical side disagrees). However, I do think that Jillian gets captured intentionally to gather intel.

Daedalus73
2007-02-15, 12:42 AM
I can't help thinking that maybe Wanda is a spy. Given the number of times Jillian has been captured and the fact that Stanley is losing a bad as he is, something doesn't seem right. Maybe I'm just over-analyzing this.

Wanda is a unit in the game. We can safely assume that she follows the same rules of other units that Stanley has put into play. Parson is bound by the rules under which he was summoned into "play" to obey Stanley or be removed from existence, and it seems pretty straightforward to me that Wanda would be under the same strictures. I don't see how it would even be possible for her to betray Stanley, and her actions to date have indicated the exact opposite even if it were.

Unhinged glee is how I read her reaction as well. Time will tell. I read the reference to Jillian's frequent capture & release as a rule in the game whereby captured Named units are ransomed after X turns.

mport2004
2007-02-15, 05:03 PM
It could be the other way around and Jullian could by the spy but wanda dosent want people to know about it

Callos_DeTerran
2007-02-25, 01:07 AM
Due to comic 28 are there any other doubts about it now? :smallwink:

Tokiko Mima
2007-02-25, 03:24 AM
I now suspect she's just kinky. Those aren't the kinda clothes one would wear just to be a sadist; she's showing off for her 'victim.'

Cobra_Ikari
2007-02-25, 05:09 AM
What, the blatant BDSM implications aren't enough for you?

Thanatos
2007-02-25, 06:18 AM
It's spelled "Domme" when it's a woman. :smallamused:

Of course, you could intentionally spell it wrong now and then if you're wanting a reminder...

Athenodorus
2007-02-25, 11:20 AM
I begin to suspect that Parson is not the first real world person to be summoned.

Ave
2007-02-25, 11:41 AM
I can't help thinking that maybe Wanda is a spy. Given the number of times Jillian has been captured and the fact that Stanley is losing a bad as he is, something doesn't seem right. Maybe I'm just over-analyzing this.

Yeah, right!
That's why she actually summoned the perfect warlord???
Get real!
I guess the two women are simply fed up with their respective tools.
Since Parson is also fed up with Stanley, they might even have some chance.
Dunno how it will boil down, though.

Athenodorus
2007-02-25, 11:45 AM
Of course, we are making the dangerous assumption that there _is_ something kinky going on. It is entirely possible that is simply what she wears for torture and interrogation of the non-fun variety.

SteveMB
2007-02-25, 06:34 PM
Yeah, right!
That's why she actually summoned the perfect warlord???
Get real!
Thinking about it a bit more, it could be a function of being bound by the rules of a game world (i.e. spies act exactly like loyal personnel except in certain specific ways).

It's a stretch, but it's not completely out of the question given that we've seen characters (for example) stop where they are until it's their side's turn again.

ShneekeyTheLost
2007-02-26, 08:24 PM
Due to comic 28 are there any other doubts about it now? :smallwink:

Yes.

If you were going to rescue your friend out from under the nose of your evil overlord, and wished to do so under the cover of 'torturing' her, then you would want all acoutrements and accessories for torturing and make it seem in all ways like you were really intent on doing so in order to prevent people from looking deeper into your motives.

Thanatos
2007-02-27, 03:52 AM
Ah gods... what's the deal with trying to redeem Wanda via secret motives? If she's bad, so what? Prior to summoning Parson, she was the only competent person on the bad side (I'm intentionally using bad/nice instead of evil/good, due to the setting).

She has her nice side, when it comes to others that are picked on (hmm, somewhat like Raistlin in that regard), but that doesn't mean she has to be nice in general. So Stanlry says she's good at interrogation... maybe she even likes to Domme Jillian in other ways. We know for sure she animates the dead, and that's pretty bad in itself. None of that means she isn't an interesting character.

Daedalus73
2007-02-27, 10:15 AM
Ah gods... what's the deal with trying to redeem Wanda via secret motives? If she's bad, so what?

Precisely.

SteveMB
2007-02-27, 11:09 AM
If she's bad, so what?
And when she's drawn that way, so much the better. :smallbiggrin:

ShneekeyTheLost
2007-02-27, 01:41 PM
And when she's drawn that way, so much the better. :smallbiggrin:

Bad! Bad Rodger Rabbit reference! No scooby snacks for you!

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*snickers*

Ultimatum479
2007-02-28, 05:18 AM
somewhat like Raistlin
Huh. Now that you mention it, it's a nice parallel in almost every way except A: appearance, obviously; and B: Raistlin was overconfident in his power while Wanda sometimes tends to be lacking in confidence.

All these completely illogical speculations about Wanda are useless and based on absolutely no evidence. (-.-)

Thanatos
2007-02-28, 10:51 AM
Huh. Now that you mention it, it's a nice parallel in almost every way except A: appearance, obviously; and B: Raistlin was overconfident in his power while Wanda sometimes tends to be lacking in confidence.

All these completely illogical speculations about Wanda are useless and based on absolutely no evidence. (-.-)
You can't take my statement out of it's context, widen it, and then point out that it doesn't fit. I put the qualifiers in there for a reason.

I don't see any lack of confidence in Wanda. She's usually annoyed or even exasperated, but since she's apparently the only fully-competent Erfling on her side of the war, why shouldn't she be? She wanted Stanley to get a findamancer for the summoning because she's concerned for her survival. Stanley apparently doesn't think he can lose, so he places the size of the treasury on equal terms with defending what's left of his kingdom. She knows she can cast the spell, but she also knows the difference that being a specialist can bring.

SteveMB
2007-03-03, 10:43 PM
Due to comic 28 are there any other doubts about it now? :smallwink:
Comic 30 certainly seems to seal the deal. (Even if she's not a sadist in the strict meaning of the term, she's at the very least severely ticked off at Jillian's suggestion that she desert Stanley.)

grinner666
2007-03-04, 12:41 AM
I now suspect she's just kinky. Those aren't the kinda clothes one would wear just to be a sadist; she's showing off for her 'victim.'

You misunderstand the entire S/m dynamic. The sadist/top/dom(me) WANTS to show of for/to the bottom/sub/"victim". Just as the sub/bottom/"victim" WANTS to be dominated.

Jillian's immediately calling her "Mistress" when corrected supports this. She's dealt with Wanda before, after all. Even if she's doing it to AVOID torture (which may or may not be the case), it certainly supports Wanda's being a Domme, even if it doesn't support Jillian's being a sub.

Yeah, Wanda's a sadist.