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InfernalistGame
2007-02-11, 03:50 AM
Okay, I'm just gonna toss this out there, and see what you people think...

Wanda and Commander Jillian... old friends, or lovers. Explains the look on Wanda's worried face in 24, and why Jillian's having troubles getting Prince Ansom on one page in her head.

I also have one hell of a theory as to why they are lovers in a world based on the mental structure of Parson Gotti... ask if you care.

Alex Kidd
2007-02-11, 04:37 AM
Yeah what the hell, explain away. I'm curious, thouh not like Jillian in your theory.:smallbiggrin:
Doubt anything you could say would freak me out considering how much I've had to do with BelkarxMiko thread.

InfernalistGame
2007-02-11, 04:54 AM
Okay, here goes.

Concept A)Wanda and Jillian are both attractive women, and potential love interests for Parson. Now, considering he games with an attractive woman, but isn't in a relationship with her (Who'd leave a hot gamer chick? No one, that's who.:smallbiggrin: ), we must conclude that Parson must percieve himself incapable of claiming such a woman, either due to self-perception, attempting and failing, or her already being in a relationship. So, as you enter Erfworld, if it is indeed a extension of Parson's psyche... the two hot chicks must therefore also be unattainable.

Now, the second layer. If Wanda and Jillian are lovers, or better, ex-lovers, and Parson -does- end up with one of them, despite all obvious hurtles... he has achieved what is basically the tour-de-force of being a guy... not only being recieved as a optimum choice for a lover by an intelligent, attractive woman, but beating out the option of choosing a chick. Success would render him with the ultimate victory... Now, having achieved this result in life myself... the question is, if this is all correct, does his self-image and inherent sense of inferiority sabotage any relationship?

Alex Kidd
2007-02-11, 05:57 AM
Nice. And surprisingly intelligent for a theory about lesbians in a webcomic.

Om
2007-02-11, 06:09 AM
Slash fiction... is there any idea that it can't pervert?

I'm going to leave this thread now before someone starts wonder about the methods of "torture" that Wanda will be employing. *Shudder*

Grendita
2007-02-11, 02:18 PM
Sisters was going to be my choice.... not lesbian lovers....

mikeejimbo
2007-02-11, 04:57 PM
Sisters was going to be my choice.... not lesbian lovers....

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Raistlin1040
2007-02-11, 05:11 PM
(raise eyebrow) Not sure how to think about this idea but why not? It probably won't happen but if it did...

Khantalas
2007-02-11, 05:12 PM
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

And I know a few people who wished they were mutually inclusive.

InfernalistGame
2007-02-11, 05:53 PM
And there are those who want to be very close friends with those sisters.

Necrosis
2007-02-11, 05:56 PM
I"m picking mutally hateful half sisters-although that just could be artwork making em all look the same!

Strengfellow
2007-02-12, 02:03 PM
Intresting idea Infernal, links nicely to the how many times have you been captured comment too.

dragongirl13
2007-02-17, 01:46 PM
I dunno. Wanda and Jillian have so little in common, except that they're both good at strategy. Heck, they don't even look much like each other.

Plus, I couldn't tell whether the look on Wanda's face was worry or sick, sadistic pleasure.

Dragor
2007-02-17, 01:50 PM
I was thinking that Wanda was simply looking forward to torturing someone that she lost a grip on her serious attitude for a moment.

But, as for the theory, it's possible. Although I didn't think it would give the comic a very good image. But, then again, its Parson we're talking about. Which really 'involved' games master DOESN'T include hot chicks in his campaign?

factotum
2007-02-17, 03:58 PM
The theory about Parson getting it on with one of them just seems, well, a trifle unlikely given the size difference...

Piedmon_Sama
2007-02-17, 05:32 PM
I anticipate a Full Metal Jacket reference on the horizon.....

MolotovH
2007-02-17, 08:42 PM
The theory about Parson getting it on with one of them just seems, well, a trifle unlikely given the size difference...

My neighbors are a dwarf woman (who's actually kind of cute once you get past the height issue) and a tall (albeit skinny) guy who must be 6 feet if he's an inch.

They have children.

No, I can't wrap my head around the geometry of that, either... :vaarsuvius:

But they're awful nice folks... :elan:

InfernalistGame
2007-03-03, 10:21 PM
I am not under the impression that my theory has been disproved yet. Though, the evidence is admittedly stacking.

Raistlin1040
2007-03-04, 12:59 AM
I thought the whole "mistress'' thing was pretty hot. Just me though.

kialos
2007-03-05, 12:45 PM
I'm just going to settle that it was fan service and nothing more.

Illsbane
2007-03-05, 01:06 PM
This was an extremely weird and uncomfortable installment ... The question whether these two are really intimate or just torturer and preferred victim with a long-standing history is still up for grabs.

ObadiahtheSlim
2007-03-06, 12:14 PM
I betting they were friends before the war. That or possibly related. However I'm pretty sure the whole slash you guys are coming up with is wishful thinking.

SteveMB
2007-03-06, 12:31 PM
The question whether these two are really intimate or just torturer and preferred victim with a long-standing history is still up for grabs.
Certainly, they have a history -- Wanda is pleased to hear that Jillian has been captured again, and Stanley (who strikes me at the sort who would be oblivious to his underlings' wishes unless they were fairly obvious) knew she would be.

Fanservicey fantasies aside, I'm leaning toward the theory is that Wanda hasn't really had much success getting Jillian to give up information during her past captivities, and regards breaking her as a personal project.

Om
2007-03-06, 01:41 PM
This was an extremely weird and uncomfortable installment ... The question whether these two are really intimate or just torturer and preferred victim with a long-standing history is still up for grabs.But we have made progress in discovering the nature of their relationship. Not much progress, granted, but things are moving forward. Personally I much prefer this approach to a simple exposition strip.

InfernalistGame
2007-03-31, 09:06 PM
I am surprised myself at the revealing moments thus far... I think I may very well be right!

Dhavaer
2007-04-01, 05:47 AM
I think the 'My dearest' raises the evidence for this theory considerably.

Alex Kidd
2007-04-01, 09:30 AM
Indeed. Then again she IS a necromancer so being somewhat creepy to friends probably wouldn't be too unusual. But yeah it's looking pretty likely, congrats Infernalist.

Khantalas
2007-04-01, 09:34 AM
I still foolishly maintain that there is a maternal relation between the two.

motorfirebox
2007-04-02, 03:42 AM
i'm going to go with something even more out-there: i think Jillian is a creation of Wanda's. some kind of golem, or more likely (given Wanda's skills in croakamancy) a re-animated corpse. it might explain why Jillian gets captured so often--she has to, in order to get the spells that animate her renewed. it would explain why she's so passive-aggressive around Ansom--she really does like him, but she's either under orders to not get involved with him, or she doesn't want to get involved with him because she knows she's probably going to betray him to his death. and it explains why she's so careless with her own life--she hopes she'll die, thereby sparing her from having to betray Ansom and the rest of the good guys.

motorfirebox
2007-04-11, 01:31 PM
i'd like to take this opportunity to say "i told you so, at least in part". it's not clear (yet!) that Wanda actually created or re-animated Jillian, but the rest of my theory (re: Jillian's behavior) looks pretty solid.

SteveMB
2007-04-11, 02:50 PM
i'd like to take this opportunity to say "i told you so, at least in part". it's not clear (yet!) that Wanda actually created or re-animated Jillian, but the rest of my theory (re: Jillian's behavior) looks pretty solid.

While I don't buy the out-there proposal of a unique golem/uncroaked creature that is somehow able to pass for human, it might be true on a symbolic level (i.e. Wanda has shaped Jillian into her instrument via brainwashing).

It's possible (though purely speculative at this point) that she has given Jillian mental suggestions to insure that she continues to fly reckless recon missions and get re-captured (or maybe not; her existing rashness and overconfidence might be quite sufficient). It's also possible (ditto the "speculative" caveat) that residual resistance and subconscious realization that she's been set up to betray Ansom (and perhaps not just by giving up information) have made her reluctant to get too close to Ansom and/or given her a death wish.

InfernalistGame
2007-04-15, 02:25 AM
Okay, see that snuggle? I -know- that snuggle. That's a subbie in the arms of her dom. I freaking WIN. Though I'm not seeing my original theory as to why.

Om
2007-04-15, 05:17 AM
*Reaches into wallet and pays up*

Eladrinstar
2007-04-15, 12:16 PM
Well, I may be mistaken but I think this strip just revealed confirmed they are lesbian.

InfernalistGame
2007-04-15, 08:48 PM
Lesbian? Not necessarily, though they are definately in a relationship with sexual tones. There's a wide spectrum between straight and gay... but I think we can definately kick Jillian square into at least the bi range. No answer as to how much of this is manipulation and being a torturer, or how much is genuine feeling for Wanda... but Jill? Yep. She's Wanda's. Period.

EDIT: I'm gonna go ahead and save the mods some trouble, and say we're not gonna argue about the existance or non-existance of shades of sexuality. It's my statement, and it's on topic as far as it goes, but let's not turn this into that whole thing...

EntilZha
2007-04-15, 09:28 PM
Hell Yeah! All that's missing is the cheesy music. :smallbiggrin:

Grod_The_Giant
2007-04-16, 02:04 PM
well...I'm not going to say I saw that coming...

but I did, so too late.