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Diachronos
2014-05-31, 01:48 PM
My main reason for this is that Aludrin's original build of the Dread Necromancer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282810), while amazing, doesn't transfer to Pathfinder very seamlessly. For the most part it works (mainly some skill updates and working around the lack of a rebuke mechanic), but after updating the immediate problems you start running into others. Channel Negative Energy effectively replaces Negative Energy Burst, so that ability pretty much gets scrapped, which leaves some dead spaces in the level progression. Not to mention that a number of the spells on the Dread Necromancer's 3.5 list didn't get transferred to Pathfinder, and the addition of some more spells that belong on the Dread Necro list (Lesser Animate Dead, for one!).
While I have found some Pathfinder versions of the Dread Necro, they all use the atrociously bad version that Wizards printed in Heroes of Horror, and there's no way in the Nine Hells that I'm going to work with that piece of garbage.

I'm trying to keep it relatively the same as the original, just updating it a bit to (hopefully) fit the new system better and bring them more in line with the buffs that the other classes received.

Class Skills
The Dread Necromancer's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Bluff (Cha), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disguise (Cha), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge(arcana) (Int), Knowledge(religion) (Int), Linguistics (Int), Profession (Wis), Spellcraft (Int), Stealth (Dex)

Skill Points: 4 + Int modifier

Skills are unchanged for the most part, but a few were updated to their Pathfinder version; Decipher Script became Linguistics, Concentration was rolled into Spellcraft, and Hide was added to Stealth.

Hit Dice: d8
Starting Gold: 3d6 x 10

Since they're more of a front-line fighter than typical casters, it made sense to bump up their HD. The starting gold is a little higher than a Wizard's, the reason being that it adds a little flavor; you're using corpses as your primary tool, and a dead person doesn't really need that gold anymore...

DDREAD NECROMANCER
LevelBase Attack BonusFort SaveRef SaveWill SaveSpecial1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th
1st+0+0+0+2Charnel Touch, Channel Negative Energy 1d6, Command Undead3
2nd+1+0+0+3Necromantic Talent4
3rd+1+1+1+3Channel Negative Energy 2d65
4th+2+1+1+4Mental Bastion +2, Advanced Learning, Charnel Reflex, Necromantic Talent63
5th+2+1+1+4Undead Mastery (Minor), Channel Negative Energy 3d664
6th+3+2+2+5Necromantic Talent653
7th+3+2+2+5Channel Negative Energy 4d6664
8th+4+2+2+6Advanced Learning, Charnel Critical, Necromantic Talent6653
9th+4+3+3+6Mental Bastion +4, Channel Negative Energy 5d66664
10th+5+3+3+7Undead Mastery (Lesser), Necromantic Talent66653
11th+5+3+3+7Channel Negative Energy 6d666664
12th+6/+1+4+4+8Advanced Learning, Charnel Aim, Necromantic Talent666653
13th+6/+1+4+4+8Channel Negative Energy 7d6666664
14th+7/+2+4+4+9Mental Bastion +6, Necromantic Talent6666653
15th+7/+2+5+5+9Undead Mastery, Channel Negative Energy 8d66666664
16th+8/+3+5+5+10Advanced Learning, Charnel Threat, Necromantic Talent66666653
17th+8/+3+5+5+10Channel Negative Energy 9d666666664
18th+9/+4+6+6+11Craft Wondrous Item, Necromantic Talent666666653
19th+9/+4+6+6+11Channel Negative Energy 10d6666666664
20th+10/+5+6+6+12Undead Transformation, Undead Mastery (Greater), Advanced Learning, Improved Charnel Critical, Necromantic Talent666666665

Class Features
All of the following are class features of the Dread Necromancer.

Weapon and Armor Proficiencies:
The Dread Necromancer is proficient with all simple weapons and one martial weapon of her choice. Her choice of martial weapon is made when the character takes the first level of Dread Necromancer and cannot be changed.
Dread necromancers are also proficient with light armor, but not with shields. The somatic components required for dread necromancer spells are simple, so members of this class can cast dread necromancer spells while wearing light armor without incurring the normal arcane spell failure chance. She still incurs the normal arcane spell failure chance for arcane spells derived from other classes. In addition, if a dread necromancer wears medium or heavy armor, or uses a shield, she incurs the same chance of arcane spell failure as any other arcane caster if the spell in question has a somatic component (and most do).

Proficiencies are fine as-is, so I didn't see a need to update any of them.

Spellcasting:
A dread necromancer casts arcane spells, which are drawn from the dread necromancer's spell list. Like a sorcerer, she can cast any spell she knows without preparing it ahead of time. When a dread necromancer gains access to a new level of spells, she automatically knows all spells for that level given on the dread necromancer's spell list. Dread necromancers can also add spells to their spell list through the advanced learning ability as they increase in level (see below).
To cast a spell, a dread necromancer must have a Charisma score of 10 + the spell's level. The Difficulty Class for saving throws against a dread necromancer's spell is 10 + spell level + Charisma modifier. Like other spellcasters, a dread necromancer can only cast a certain amount of spells each day (detailed in the above table).

No reason to change this either, the only thing that really changed is that they don't have the cantrip slots anymore.

Charnel Touch (Su):
Negative energy flows through a Dread Necromancer's body, concentrating in her hands. A number of times per day equal to 3 + her Charisma modifier, she can make a melee touch attack that deals 1d4 negative energy damage. This attack can be used at range using the spectral hand spell.

At 4th level, the Dread Necromancer threatens attacks of opportunity with her Charnel Touch, if not armed with a melee weapon and possessing a free hand. Attacks of opportunity made with Charnel Touch count toward her daily limit. The damage done by Charnel Touch also scales to 1d8.

At 8th level, the Dread Necromancer's Charnel Touch becomes more unstable with power. Her Charnel Touch attack now deals X3 damage on a critical, and she uses her Charisma modifier instead of her Strength or Dexterity modifier on the critical confirmation roll. She can also perform a Coup de Grace using her Charnel Touch as the weapon, and she adds her Charisma modifier to her Charnel Touch damage.

At 12th level, the Dread Necromancer can add half of her Charisma modifier on top of the regular attack roll of her Charnel Touch ability. She may make a full attack with her Charnel Touch as if doing so with a melee weapon; this consumes one daily use of her Charnel Touch.

At 16th level, this ability gains 5' of reach on top of the normal reach for the Dread Necromancer. Critical threat range increases to 19-20.

At 20th level, the critical damage of the Dread Necromancer's Charnel Touch increases to x4 and the critical threat range increases to 18-20.

Instead of gaining the crit chance at level 8, they can do it from level 1 now, and the crit modifier goes up to X3 at level 8 instead. Otherwise unchanged.
EDIT 10/28: Adding a daily limit to avoid abuse, as well as the option to do a full attack if their BAB allows for one.

Channel Negative Energy (Su):
A Dread Necromancer can channel negative energy through her body as a cleric of her level (see the cleric class feature described on page 40 of the Core Rulebook).

Command Undead:
Dread Necromancers get Command Undead as a bonus feat at level 1.

Turning and Rebuking didn't make it from 3.5 to Pathfinder, so something else had to be done. Giving them channel energy and Command Undead, like what Necromancy-specialized Wizards get, seemed like a fitting choice. The main difference is that they get to keep the original effect of Channel Energy, since they would've gotten a similar effect out of Negative Energy Burst anyway.

Necromantic Talent:
Necromantic Talent: The Dread Necromancer's experience with negative energy grants her special talents that enhance her necromantic power. At 2nd level and every 2 levels after, the dread necromancer may choose one of the talents listed below.

Advanced Learning: At fourth level, and every four levels after, a dread necromancer can add a spell to her spell list. This may be any spell from the Necromancy school or with the Evil descriptor, or any other spell from the Wizard/Sorcerer or Cleric spell lists. The Dread Necromancer is restricted on what level of spell they may select:

Spells from the Necromancy school or with the Evil descriptor: The spell may be of a level up to the highest level the Dread Necromancer can cast, and it is added as a spell of equal level to its original level (if the spell is available at different levels for different classes, use the lowest level)
Wizard/Sorcerer spells: The spell must be at least one level lower than the highest-level spell the Dread Necromancer can cast, and it is added as a spell one level higher than its original level (for example, the Dread Necromancer can't add fireball unless she can cast 4th level spells, and fireball would be a 4th level spell in her list)
Cleric spells: The spell must be at least two levels lower than the highest-level spell the Dread Necromancer can cast, and it is added as a spell two levels higher than its original level (for example, the Dread Necromancer can't add cure light wounds unless she can cast 3rd level spells, and cure light wounds would be a 3rd level spell in her list

Modified to give easier access to new spells.

Mental Bastion:
Starting at 4th level, the dread necromancer gains a +2 bonus to saving throws against sleep, poison, paralysis, disease and stunning. This bonus increases to +4 at 9th level, and +6 at 14th level.

Also unchanged

Undead Mastery:
All undead creatures created by a dread necromancer of at least 5th level gain a +2 enhancement bonus to Strength and Dexterity and 1 additional hit point per Hit Die.
In addition, the dread necromancer's limit for controlling creatures created by the animate dead spell changes from 4 Hit Die per caster level to (4 + 1/2 of her Charisma modifier) HD per caster level.

At 10th level this bonus increases to +4 Strength and Dexterity, +2 hitpoints per hit die and the dread necromancer adds her entire Charisma modifier to each caster level of her control limit instead of half. The Dread Necromancer also counts as having the Corpsecrafter feat for the purpose of qualifying for other feats in the Corpsecrafter line, but the effects apply to all undead creatures created, not just those created by necromancy spells. A Dread Necromancer that already has Corpsecrafter immediately replaces it with another feat from that feat line upon reaching level 10.

At 15th level this bonus increases to +6 Strength and Dexterity, +3 hit points per HD and the Dread Necromancer adds 1.5 times her Charisma modifier to the number of HD of undead per caster level that she can control.

At 20th level this bonus increases to +8 Strength and Dexterity, +4 hit points per HD and the Dread Necromancer adds twice her Charisma modifier to the number of HD of undead per caster level that she can control.
There is literally nothing I can think of that would make this better without making it utterly overpowered.

Craft Wondrous Item:
At 18th level, the dread necromancer gains Craft Wondrous Item as a bonus feat. This helps her prepare the phylactery required for her undead ascension. If she already has the Craft Wondrous Item feat, she may instead choose another item creation feat or a necromantic talent.

I see no reason to change this, other than adding something for those who decide to take CWI early.

Undead Ascension:
At 20th level, the Dread Necromancer takes her final steps into undeath. Her type changes to Undead, and she gains the typical traits of an undead creature, such as their immunities and the way they are affected by positive and negative energy. She no longer has a Constitution score; recalculate her hit points using her Charisma modifier instead of her Constitution modifier, but do not reroll HD.
In addition to her undead traits, the Dread Necromancer gains channel resistance +6, and she takes on the aspects of a certain type of undead creature, chosen from the list below. She does so through a 24-hour ritual that requires 1000gp of black onyx, as well as a special phylactery worth 100,000gp; she may perform the ritual again at a later time to change her aspect, though the ritual may only be performed once per week.
If the Dread Necromancer is slain, her body reforms near the phylactery and awakens 1 week later; she may perform the ritual to regain her aspect (or another aspect) as normal. If her phylactery is destroyed before she awakens, she is permanently slain.


* Abilities: The Dread Necromancer gains +2 Int, +2 Wis, and +2 Cha.
* Defensive Abilities: The Dread Necromancer gains immunity to cold and electricity, and +5 natural armor.
* Special Abilities: The Dread Necromancer chooses two of the following traits:
** Necrotic Touch: The Dread Necromancer's Charnel Touch becomes more powerful. The ability now deals (2d8 + Cha + 1/2 class level) damage.
** Terrifying Aura: The Dread Necromancer gains a fear aura that extends out to 60 ft. Any creatures inside the aura that look at the Dread Necromancer must pass a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 the Dread Necromancer's level + Cha); creatures with 5 or fewer HD that fail the save become frightened, and all other creatures that fail the save become shaken. The effect lasts for one round per Dread Necromancer level, and any creatures that pass the Will save are immune to the Dread Necromancer's Terrifying Aura for 24 hours.
Special: A Dread Necromancer with the Fear Aura talent increases the DC of the save by 2, and any creature that fails its save while within 5 feet of the Dread Necromancer becomes panicked, regardless of its HD.
** Charnel Paralysis: The Dread Necromancer may choose to forgo dealing damage with her Charnel Touch in favor of permanently paralyzing them. If the attack hits, the target must pass a Fortitude save (DC 10 + 1/2 class level + Cha) or become permanently paralyzed. Remove paralysis and any effects that can remove curses will remove the paralysis. A target inflicted by Charnel Paralysis appears dead, but a DC 20 Perception or DC 15 Heal check reveals that they're still alive.
** Damage Reduction: The Dread Necromancer gains DR 15/magic and bludgeoning.
Special: A Dread Necromancer with the Lich Body talent may increase her damage reduction against a single attack to 20/magic and bludgeoning a number of times per day equal to her Charisma modifier. Doing so is an immediate action; she must declare that she is using the ability before an attack roll is made, and the use is still expended even if the attack misses.



* Abilities: The Dread Necromancer gains Str +6, Dex +4, Int +2, Wis +2, and Cha +4.
* Defensive Abilities: The Dread Necromancer gains resist 10 cold and electricity, and +6 natural armor.
* Weaknesses: The Dread necromancer gains light blindness, and takes 2d6 damage each round she is exposed to direct sunlight or immersed in moving water. A Dread Necromancer whose race grants her a base swim speed does not take damage while in water.
* Special Attacks: The Dread Necromancer chooses two of the following traits:
** Fast healing: The Dread Necromancer gains fast healing 5. If the vampire is in direct sunlight or immersed in running water, her fast healing does not function.
** Gaseous form: As a standard action, the Dread Necromancer can assume gaseous form at will (caster level 5th), but it can remain gaseous indefinitely and has a f ly speed of 20 feet with perfect maneuverability.
** Vampiric Charnel Touch: Whenever the Dread Necromancer deals damage to a living creature with her Charnel Touch, she regains hit points equal to half the damage dealt, rounded down.
** Children of the Night: Once per day, the Dread Necromancer can call forth 1d6+1 rat swarms, 1d4+1 bat swarms, or 2d6 wolves as a standard action. These creatures arrive in 2d6 rounds and serve the Dread Necromancer for up to 1 hour.



* Abilities: The Dread Necromancer gains +4 Cha.
* Incorporeal: The Dread Necromancer becomes incorporeal. She gains a deflection bonus to her AC equal to her Charisma modifier, and her attacks ignore armor like a typical incorporeal creature's would. She also loses her previous speed and gains a fly speed of 30 with perfect maneuverability.
The Dread Necromancer may choose to manifest into a physical form for one minute per class level per day; she does not need to use each minute consecutively, but she must use the ability in 1-minute intervals. While manifesting, she becomes corporeal again; she regains her original movement speed(s), and loses her deflection bonus and ability to ignore a creature's armor with her attacks (excluding touch attacks).
* Special Abilities: The Dread Necromancer chooses two of the following traits:
** Manifesting Touch: The Dread Necromancer may use any weapon or piece of armor while incorporeal, even if it does not have the ghost touch quality.
** Charnel Drain: The Dread Necromancer may choose to drain a target's ability score with her Charnel Touch instead of dealing damage. When using this ability, her Charnel Touch instead deals 1d4 drain to an ability score of her choice, and she heals 5 hit points with each successful use of the attack.
** Ghostly Wail: The Dread Necromancer may project a an unnatural wail that rends her opponents' bodies and strikes fear into their hearts. The wail is a 30-foot cone that deals 1d8 damage per class level, and causes any creatures within its area to become panicked for 2d4 rounds. Creatures affected who pass a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 class level + Cha) take half damage and are shaken for 1d3 rounds. The Dread Necromancer may use this ability a number of times per day equal to her Charisma modifier.
** Malevolence: Once per round, the Dread Necromancer can merge its body with a creature on the Material Plane. This ability is similar to a magic jar spell, except that it does not require a receptacle. To use this ability, the Dread Necromancer must be adjacent to the target. The target can resist the attack with a successful Will save. A creature that successfully saves is immune to that Dread Necromancer’s malevolence for 24 hours.
** Poltergeist: The Dread Necromancer gains animate objects and telekinesis (caster level 12th) as spell-like abilities; she may use each as a standard action once every 1d6 rounds.

((WIP!))

Diachronos
2014-05-31, 02:01 PM
And here's the updated spell list!

0th: Arcane Mark, Bleed, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Disrupt Undead, Touch of Fatigue

1st Level: Bane, Blood Money, cause fear, chill touch, Detect Undead, Deathwatch, decompose corpse, doom, hide from undead, inflict light wounds, ray of enfeeblement, summon undead I, undetectable alignment

2nd Level: Blindness/Deafness, command undead, Darkness, Death Knell, Desecrate, Disguise Undead (SpC), false life, gentle repose, Ghoul Glyph (LM), ghoul touch, inflict moderate wounds, lesser animate dead, Ray of Weakness (SpC), scare, spectral hand, summon swarm, summon undead II, vomit swarm

3rd Level: Animate Dead, Crushing despair, death ward, halt undead, inflict serious wounds, Magic Circle against Good/Evil/Law/Chaos, ray of exhaustion, speak with dead, summon undead III, Undead Anatomy I, Undead Torch (SpC), vampiric touch

4th Level: Aura of Doom, Bestow curse, Burning Blood (SpC), contagion, dispel magic, enervation, black tentacles, fear, giant vermin, Greater False Life, inlfict critical wounds, phantasmal killer, poison, summon undead IV

5th Level: Blight, cloudkill, create undead, fire in the blood, greater dispel magic, insect plague, lesser planar binding, magic jar, mass inflict light wounds, nightmare, oath of blood, slay living, summon undead V, Undead Anatomy II, undeath to death, unhallow, waves of fatigue

6th Level: Acid fog, Awaken Undead (SpC), circle of death, eyebite, geas/quest, harm, Major Curse, Mass Contagion (SpC), mass inflict moderate wounds, planar binding, Revive Undead (SpC), summon undead VI, Undead Anatomy III, waves of exhaustion

7th Level: Control undead, destruction, finger of death, greater harm, mass inflict serious wounds, song of discord, summon undead VII, vile death

8th Level: Create greater undead, Energy Ebb (LM), Ghostform (LM), Horrid wilting, mass inflct critical wounds, Greater Planar Binding, summon undead VIII, symbol of death, Undead Anatomy IV

9th Level: Energy drain, imprison soul, mass harm, plague of undead, Power Word Kill, summon undead IX, wail of the banshee

It's mostly the same, I just dropped a lot of the more unusual spells that came from supplemental books.

Animate Dead got pushed up to level 3; the reason for that is that the only difference between it and Lesser Animate Dead is that the Lesser version doesn't let you make variant undead, which you won't have the spells or funds to do early on anyway. They now have Lesser Animate Dead as a 1st level spell, so they don't have to wait to start doing what their class was made to do.



Summon Undead I

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally I
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally I
Human Warrior Skeleton, armed with small steel shield and longsword
Kobold Zombie, armed with heavy mace


Summon Undead II

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally II
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally I
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally II
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally I
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead I
Skeletal Champion
Bugbear Zombie, armed with greatclub


Summon Undead III

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally III
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally II
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally III
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally II
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead II
1d4+1 of any creature from Summon Undead I
Ghoul
Troll Skeleton
Chimera Zombie


Summon Undead IV

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally IV
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally III
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally IV
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally III
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead III
1d4+1 of any creature from Summon Undead I-II
Ghast
Wyvern Zombie


Summon Undead V

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally V
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally IV
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally V
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally IV
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead IV
1d4+1 of any creature from Summon Undead I-III
Shadow
Wight


Summon Undead VI

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VI
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally V
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VI
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally V
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead V
1d4+1 of any creature from Summon Undead I-IV
Mummy
Vampire Spawn


Summon Undead VII

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VI
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally V
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VI
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally V
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead VI
1d4+1 of any creature from Summon Undead I-V
Wraith
Mohrg


Summon Undead VIII

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VII
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VI
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VII
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VI
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead VII
1d4+1 of any creature from Summon Undead I-VI
Banshee (Bestiary 2)
Vampire


Summon Undead IX

Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VIII
Variant Skeleton version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VII
Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VIII
Variant Zombie version of any non-Elemental from Summon Nature's Ally VII
1d3 of any creature from Summon Undead VIII
1d4+1 of any creature from Summon Undead I-VII
Devourer
Ghost (has Corrupting Touch, Telekinesis, and Frightful Moan)

NeoSeraphi
2014-06-01, 09:20 PM
...You don't get to arbitrarily decide when your ability crits. All abilities that require an attack roll threaten a critical hit on a natural 20 and deal double damage on a confirmation, unless they are explicitly stated otherwise (such as weapons with different threat ranges or higher multipliers).

Diachronos
2014-06-02, 12:41 AM
...You don't get to arbitrarily decide when your ability crits.
The Charnel Touch ability wasn't my own idea, it's completely untouched from the way Aludrin set it up in his 3.5 update. Believe me, if I wasn't trying to keep everything as close to the original as possible it'd be critting from level 1.

Diachronos
2014-06-18, 11:56 PM
Bonus Feat:
The dread necromancer may select one of the following feats as a bonus feat rather than choosing a necromantic talent, even if she doesn't meet the prerequisites: Channel Smite, Corpsecrafter, Deadly Chill, Destruction Retribution, Extra Channeling, Hardened Flesh, Nimble Bones, Undead Master
Bonus feats are always a good alternative if there's nothing else that you want for that level! Most of them can be found in either the Core Rulebook or 3.5's Libris Mortis; the only exception is Undead Master, which is in Ultimate Magic
I don't think it's too much of a power boost to let them ignore prereqs for these feats. The only prerequisites for the feats on list are the ability to channel (class feature from level 1), Corpsecrafter (which is a moot point starting at level 10), and Spell Focus: Necromancy (which is Spell Focus, and generally overshadowed by pretty much everything), all of which can be met before the Dread Necromancer reaches level 2.

Bypass Resistance:
The Dread Necromancer has discovered how to negate an undead creature's resistance to channeled energy. An undead creature that is targeted by the Dread Necromancer's Command Undead ability, as well as any other channeled energy abilities granted by class levels or feats, may only add half of its channel resistance to its Will save to resist the channeled energy effect.
The Dread Necromancer may take this talent up to two times; the second time she selects it, undead targeted by her channeled energy effects may not add their channel resistance to their Will save at all.

Channel Resistance:
Undead under the dread necromancer's control gain channel resistance equal to one-third her class level (minimum +1, maximum +6 at level 18).
Seems like a standard kind of ability you'd give to undead to make them tougher.

Lich Body (Ex):
The dread necromancer begins her journey into undeath. The first symptom is her body's increased resilience to physical harm. She gains DR 2/bludgeoning and magic. The damage reduction increases by 1 at 5th level and every odd-numbered level after (maximum 10 at 19th).
Virtually the same as the original, except the effect still improves after 15th level

Necromantic Familiar:
The dread necromancer obtains an undead version of a typical wizard familiar. A dread necromancer's familiar gains the usual familiar benefits listed in the Core Rulebook with two exceptions. Its type becomes undead, and it does not gain the ability to speak with other creatures of its kind (unless the creature chosen automatically possesses the ability to speak with a verbal language). If the dread necromancer selects the Improved Familiar feat, she may obtain an undead version of any familiar that her level would permit.
A familiar can use its ability to deliver touch spells with the master's Charnel Touch, Scabrous Touch and Enervating Touch attacks. The master must use a standard action to imbue the touch attack into her familiar.
A necromantic familiar does not grant its master the typical bonus that a familiar of its type would (i.e., an undead snake familar does not grant its master a +3 bonus to Bluff checks). Instead, the familiar grants the dread necromancer a bonus to the number of undead that she can control; for the purposes of the Animate Dead spell, the dread necromancer counts as being one level higher when determining the total number of HD worth of undead that she can control.
* Special: A Dread Necromancer who selects the Necromantic Familiar talent may not select the Skeletal Guardian talent.

Undead Guardian:
The Dread Necromancer obtains an undead minion (a human warrior skeleton or human warrior zombie) that serves her. Obtaining the guardian involves a 24-hour ritual and 100gp worth of materials.
At first, the guardian is completely typical, but it gains power as the Dread Necromancer gains levels. The guardian has a number of Hit Dice equal to the necromancer’s HD. It also receives a bonus to its natural armor equal to one-half the Dread Necromancer’s HD, and a bonus equal to one-third of the Dread Necromancer’s class level to its Strength and Dexterity scores.
The Undead Guardian has an Intelligence score equal to (5 + 1/2 its master's HD).
* Special: A Dread Necromancer who selects the Undead Guardian talent may not select the Necromantic Familiar talent.

The familiar has always been my #1 complaint about this class, as you were always forced to choose either a ghostly visage or something that doesn't fit the flavor of the class at all... unless you wanted to waste a feat on Stitched-Flesh Familiar.
So instead of that nonsense, they get to choose either an undead version of a typical familiar or a more powerful skeleton minion.
Necromantic Familiar talent effectively gives them the Stitched-Flesh Familiar feat for free. The control bonus from the Stitched-Flesh Familiar was buffed slightly, since it lets you keep the Charisma bonus granted by Undead Mastery instead of just being a straight 4-HD increase.
Undead Guardian is essentially the same as the Skeletal Minion ability from Unearthed Arcane, except you can also choose a zombie. While it's more powerful in sheer stats, it doesn't have the same special abilities that a familiar would have.

Being able to only have one of them is mainly to prevent the Dread Necromancer from having both a familiar and a powerful minion that can be easily obtained and replaced.

Turn Undead:
The Dread Necromancer gains Turn Undead as a bonus feat. She gains the ability to channel positive energy a number of times per day equal to 1+ her Charisma modifier, but only to use Turn Undead. The DC against the Dread Necromancer's Turn Undead ability is 10 + 1/2 Dread Necromancer level + Cha.


Charnel Shield:
The Dread Necromancer may expend a use of her Charnel Touch to create a barrier of negative energy around herself, absorbing blows and dealing damage to her attackers. She gains temporary hit points equal to twice her level plus her Charisma modifier, which last for 1 minute per 4 levels. Creatures who strike the Dread Necromancer with a melee attack take damage equal to half the damage dealt by the attack; this damage is negative energy damage, and so heals undead creatures.

Dark Sacrifice:
The Dread Necromancer may sacrifice undead creatures she controls to heal her own wounds and ailments. As a standard action, she may sacrifice one of her undead creatures to heal 1d8 hit points per HD of the sacrificed undead, up to her maximum hit points or the current hit points of the sacrificed undead. She must be adjacent to the undead she is sacrificing, and using this ability provokes attacks of opportunity.
When using this ability, the Dread Necromancer may sacrifice 2 HD worth of healing to heal 1d4 points of ability damage or cure herself of a disease, 3 HD worth of healing to cure herself of poison or curses, or 5 HD worth of healing to heal 1d4 points of ability drain or remove one temporary negative level from herself. She may choose to heal herself of more than one ailment at a time, though no more than the sacrificed undead's HD would allow.
The Dread Necromancer must be at least 4th level to select this talent.
Special: The Dread Necromancer may select this talent twice; if she has selected the ability twice, she may use Dark Sacrifice to heal an ally instead of herself by channeling the healing through her Charnel Touch. She must be adjacent to both the ally she wishes to heal and the undead she is sacrificing, and using this ability expends one of her daily uses of Charnel Touch.

Extra Charnel Touch:
The Dread Necromancer may use her Charnel Touch more frequently. The number of times per day she can use her Charnel Touch increases by 2.
The Dread Necromancer must be at least 4th level to select this talent. It may be selected more than once.
I like being able to increase the number of times per day I can use something.

Fear Aura (Su):
The dread necromancer may project a fear aura that extends 5 ft/3 levels (minimum 5ft) at will as a free action. Enemies in the area must succeed on a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 her class levels + Cha modifier) or become shaken until they are no longer in the presence of the dread necromancer, requiring them to be over 10'/level away from the dread necromancer before the effect wears off. A creature who successfully saves cannot be affected by that dread necromancer's fear aura for 24 hours. The fear aura can be used to escalate an existing fear effect applied by a different source (you can't stack fear from your own fear aura) and the shaken effect it applies can be escalated by other sources (though the duration of the new effect ends when either source's duration ends, reverting back to the lesser fear level).
The dread necromancer must be at least 4th level to select this talent.
Other than the fact that you can choose something else as your level 4 ability, this is unchanged. I debated over having the aura's range scale as well, but decided against it.

Undead Empathy:
The Dread Necromancer can improve the attitude of an undead creature, as if using Diplomacy to improve the attitude of a person. She rolls 1d20 and adds her level and Charisma modifier to determine the result. Against mindless undead, the creature's attitude is considered to be one step higher (typically causing it to be counted as Unfriendly rather than Hostile) for determining the check's DC.


Charnel Blast:
The Dread Necromancer can use her Charnel Touch as a ranged touch attack, with a maximum range of 10ft/Dread Necromancer level. Charnel Blast consumes two of her daily Charnel Touch uses.

Disrupting Energy (Ex):
Through her study of negative energy and undead, the dread necromancer has discovered a way to attack undead with the very energy that animates them. When targeting an undead creature with her Charnel Touch or Inflict spells, she may choose to have the effect deal damage to the undead instead of healing it; effectively, the spell or effect acts as if she were using positive energy instead of negative energy (so, for example, a bloody skeleton destroyed using this talent would count as being destroyed by positive energy, and would be truly destroyed). The dread necromancer may not use this talent to damage undead with Channel Negative Energy or a Mass Inflict spell, as the focus required to alter the negative energy prevents her from doing so on a large scale.
The dread necromancer must be at least 6th level to select this talent.
It never really made sense to me that a necromancer would have so many abilities that can create, control, or buff undead, and yet none that can actually destroy them outside of a single cantrip, which is only useful at low levels. Since giving them positive energy would make absolutely no sense at all, I started playing with the idea of a necromancer destroying undead by messing with the negative energy holding them together, either by "overloading" them or altering the energy in a way that destabilizes them.
The "single-target only" part is mainly to keep them from outshining the "traditional" undead slayers like clerics, and to avoid giving them extra effects on their Channel Energy ability.

Grave-touched:
The dread necromancer has discovered a way to heal her own wounds using negative energy. She may heal herself with her Charnel Touch and Inflict spells as if she were an undead creature, and when channeling negative energy to heal undead she may choose to include herself in the effect. This ability only affects her own spells and abilities; positive and negative energy from other sources will still affect her as normal.
The dread necromancer must be at least 6th level to select this talent, and may not select it if she already has an ability that allows her to be healed by negative energy. If she ever gains an ability that allows her to be healed by negative energy (such as her Undead Ascension at 20th level), the dread necromancer may replace this with another talent.
This seemed like the sort of trick that a necromancer would develop, so I added it. Not to mention that it cuts down on the min-maxing that comes with a class like this, so people won't automatically go for the undead race just so they get free healing.

Negative Energy Resistance:
The dread necromancer gains a bonus equal to one-third her class level to saving throws made to resist negative energy effects, including energy drain, some ability drain and inflict spells.
The dread necromancer must be at least 6th level to select this talent.
Not too much of a change to this, aside from the level you can get it and that it eventually gets a little stronger than the original version.

Scabrous Touch (Su):
The dread necromancer can use her charnel touch to inflict disease on a creature she touches. This ability works like the contagion spell, inflicting the disease of her choice immediately, with no incubation period, unless the target makes a successful Fortitude save (DC 10 + 1/2 class level + her Cha modifier). Should the target fail the save, it immediately takes the initial ability damage of the disease, adding the dread necromancer's charisma modifier to the ability damage inflicted. The DC for subsequent saving throws to resist the effects of the disease depend on the disease inflicted, and secondary damage of the disease is unchanged.
Activating this feature is a swift action. The effect lasts until the dread necromancer makes a successful charnel touch attack. The spectral hand spell enables a dread necromancer to deliver scabrous touch from a distance.
A dread necromancer can use this ability once per day at level 6, and she must be at least level 6 to select this talent. This increases to 2/day at level 11, and 3/day at level 16.
Unchanged just like Fear Aura


Corpse Explosion:
The Dread Necromancer can send a surge of negative energy into an undead creature she controls or a corpse, causing it to explode in a shower of flesh and bone. As a standard action, she may expend one use of Channel Negative Energy to detonate an undead creature or a corpse that is within 60 ft. The explosion deals bludgeoning, slashing, and piercing damage to all creatures within its radius; affected creatures may make a Reflex save for half damage (DC 10 + 1/2 Dread Necromancer level + Cha). Non-magical clothing and armor are destroyed by the explosion, while magical clothing and armor are unaffected (though they are likely to be sent several yards away by the blast). The explosion's radius and damage are determined by the size category of the detonated corpse or undead, as shown in the table below.
The Dread Necromancer must be at least 8th level to select this talent.

Size Category Radius Damage
Tiny 5ft 1/HD
Small 5ft 1d4/HD
Medium 10ft 1d6/HD
Large 15ft 1d8/HD
Huge 20ft 2d6/HD
Gargantuan 30ft 2d10/HD
Colossal 50ft 3d8/HD


How many times have you found yourself unable to make use of a corpse because you're already controlling too many undead or don't have enough components? Or maybe a creature drops in the middle of a big fight and you can't (or don't want to) take the time to animate it?
JUST BLOW IT UP!


Immortal Terror:
The dread necromancer has learned how to strike fear into the undead. She may treat undead as their original creature type for the purpose of her fear effects (for instance, a human skeleton would be counted as a humanoid). Mindless undead can be affected as well, though they receive a +2 bonus on their Will save to resist the effect.
The dread necromancer must be at least 8th level to select this talent.
Nothing I can really explain for this one; I just like the idea of a necromancer being able to strike fear into the hearts of even the dead.


Light Fortification:
The dread necromancer gains 25% resistance to critical hits. This increases to 50% at level 16.
The dread necromancer must be at least level 10 to select this ability.
Also unchanged aside from the minimum level. I didn't want it to be 9th since they don't get talents from odd-numbered levels, but putting it at 8th seemed too early.

Repurposed Corpse:
The dread necromancer has learned how to recycle her undead, allowing her to use the power of her current undead to help with the animation of new undead. When casting Animate Dead or Create Undead, she may sacrifice any number of undead creatures (destroying them in the process, though this does not trigger effects that activate upon the undead's destruction) that are currently under her control to replace the material component cost of the spell. The total cost of the spell's components is reduced by 25g for every 2 HD sacrificed in this way; for example, a sacrificed ghoul (2 HD) would reduce the cost by 25g, while a sacrificed hill giant skeleton (10 HD) would reduce the cost by 125g. The dread necromancer must sacrifice all of an undead creature's HD when using this effect, and she may not sacrifice her undead familiar (if she has one).
The dread necromancer must be at least level 10 to select this talent.
Waste not, want not. This is a much more effective way to get rid of unwanted undead if you're intending to replace them, and also helps to cut down on the need to carry several thousand gp worth of black onyx just on the off chance that you want a new minion.
The "no death-triggered effect" clause is there because, if you're anything like me, you'll likely forget about the fact that your zombie is a plague zombie or that Destruction Retribution makes your undead explode when they die.



Enervating Touch (Su):
The dread necromancer gains the ability to bestow negative levels with her Charnel Touch attack. Each day, she can bestow a total number of negative levels equal to her half of her class level, but no more than two with a single touch attack. The saving throw to remove the negative has a DC of 10 + 1/2 of her class level + Cha modifier. Activating and applying this class feature is identical to Scabrous touch. Scoring a critical hit with the Charnel Touch attack delivering the negative levels does not bestow additional levels on the target.
The dread necromancer must be at least 12th level to select this talent. At 17th level, the number of negative levels she can inflict per day becomes equal to her class level.


Channel Negative Energy:
Gain the ability to channel negative energy a number of times per day equal to 1 + Cha. Effective cleric level is equal to class level. This talent is only selectable by Dread Necromancers whose archetype removes their ability to channel negative energy.

Bonus Feats:
The Dread Necromancer may select Command Undead as a bonus feat as one of her necromantic talents; she must have the Channel Negative Energy talent to select this. This talent is only selectable by Dread Necromancers whose archetype removes their ability to channel negative energy.

Thealtruistorc
2014-06-20, 02:57 PM
My party will be very happy to know that this exists.

This is really clever and interesting, although there doesn't seem to be enough necromantic talents to make it a very versatile class. I assume it is a work in progress, so I have an idea to add. I'll try to think of more.

Bypass Resistance
When using your command undead ability, the turn resistance of the creatures you are commanding is treated as being five points lower. You may select this talent twice, it's effects stack.

Diachronos
2014-07-01, 10:39 PM
Even with the update, the spell list is fairly small and limited. It's a good-sized spell list for a spontaneous caster, yes, but I still feel like it's missing some things.

For these spells, I'm actually considering leaving them out of the main spell list and giving them as additional options for Advanced Learning, seeing as their options from that are already pretty limited. More spells to come as I think of them!

Tomb Grasp
School: Necromancy; Level: Dread Necromancer 1
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Components: V, S, M (the finger bones of a humanoid creature)
Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One 10-foot square
Duration: 1 minute/level (D)
Saving Throw: See text; Spell Resistance: No

The ground below rumbles as the spell is completed, and dozens of rotting and bony arms burst from the ground, grabbing and snatching at those in reach.

The spell fills a 10-foot square with grasping undead hands. Creatures in the are when the spell is cast must make a Reflex save or be grabbed by the hands, causing it to become entangled. Creatures can walk through or within the area at half normal speed with an Acrobatics check (DC equal to spell DC); failure causes the creature to become entangled, while failing the check by 5 or more causes the creature to fall prone as if tripped. Creatures that fall prone within the spell's area are seized by the hands and count as grappled (the CMB of the hands is equal to caster level + 2).
The hands can only affect living creatures that are touching the ground, and so have no affect on constructs, undead, or flying creatures that are in the air.

It felt like Dread Necromancers were lacking crowd-control abilities outside of fear effects and things that require Fortitude saves, and conjuring up some non-damaging hands to harass the enemy seemed like a reasonable option.



Grave Mist
School: Necromancy; Level: Dread Necromancer 2
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Components: V, S, M (A handful of dirt taken from a graveyard or tomb)
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area: 20-ft. radius spread, 20 ft. high
Duration: 1 round/level
Saving Throw: None; Spell Resistance: See text

With a gesture, you create a cloud of clammy, thin mist. The light in the area seems to dim as the mist appears, and a slight wind washes over the area, sending a chill down your spine.

This spell creates a thin mist within the spell's area.The mist is too thin to have any effect on vision, but the necromantic energy infused within it hampers the living. All living creatures within the mist become fatigued and take 1d6 points of cold damage per round.
If the spell fails to overcome a creature's spell resistance, the subject takes the cold damage but ignores the fatigue.
Kelgore's Grave Mist was one of my favorite spells to take with Advanced Learning at level 4, and it still is.

Necrotic Blast
School: Necromancy; Level: Dread Necromancer 3
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Components: V, S, M (a ball of bat guano and grave dirt)
Range: long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area: 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration: instantaneous
Saving Throw: Reflex half; Spell Resistance: yes
A small, semi-transparent skull shoots from your hand, cackling madly until it reaches its target, where it explodes in a crackling blast of negative energy.

Necrotic Blast functions similarly to a Fireball spell, with the following exceptions: the damage dealt is negative energy damage (meaning it heals undead and harms other creatures), and it deals 1d4/caster level instead of 1d6/caster level; the maximum is 10d4.
One thing I noticed about the Dread Necromancer is that it's severely lacking in AoE potential outside of abilities that either had a weak effect, small range, or extremely limited uses per day, and the only other way you're going to have much effect in a wide area is with your undead's attacks and special abilities (like Destruction Retribution).
Necrotic Blast helps to solve that, effectively giving the Necromancer the same sort of blastyness as a typical arcane caster. The damage die is lower to compensate for the fact that many creatures don't have a way to resist the damage, and the fact that you can drop it in the middle of your minions while they're attacking some big monster without any problems.


Wall of Bone
School: Necromancy; Level: Dread Necromancer 6
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Components: V, S, M (a small jar of powdered bone)
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Effect: Wall of sharp bones that is one 5ft cube/level
Duration: 10 min/level (D)
Saving Throw: No; Spell Resistance: No
At the spell's completion, an echoing laugh emerges from the air, and a large wall of sharpened ribs and skulls emerges from the ground between yourself and your foes.

Wall of Bone creates a solid barrier of interlocking bones, each sharpened to a razor's edge. Any creature that starts its turn adjacent to the wall takes 1d4 slashing and piercing damage per 3 caster levels as the bones of the wall lash out, while a creature trying to force its way through takes 1d4 slashing and piercing damage per level each time it moves through. You may attempt to trap creatures within the wall as it forms, though they receive a Reflex save to avoid being trapped. A creature trapped within the wall takes damage as if it was forcing its way through on the turn the wall appears, then takes damage as normal afterward.

The wall may be as thin as 5ft, and is comprised of a number of 5ft cubes equal to your caster level; the wall has 5 hardness and 5 hit points per foot of thickness, and possesses DR 5/bludgeoning. You may choose to reduce the number of cubes to half your caster level (rounded down) in order to instill the wall with a menacing aura, which forces any creature that attempts to strike the wall with a melee attack (excluding reach weapons) or approach within 5 feet of the wall to make a Will save; if the creature fails its save, it may not take any actions that turn other than to move away from the wall.

While the wall is necromantic in nature, it is not considered an undead creature, and so is not affected by any spells or abilities that would affect an undead creature.
I honestly don't know how powerful this is compared to other Wall spells; it may need to be moved to another level or have its effects modified to balance it

Diachronos
2014-07-11, 01:54 AM
Human - Add +1/6 of a necromantic talent.
Half-Orc - Add +1/3 of the Dread Necromancer's effective caster level when determining the duration of fear spells and effects.
Half-Elf - Add +1/3 to the amount of damage dealt or damage healed when using channel energy.
Elf - Add one spell from the wizard spell list to the Dread Necromancer's spells known; the spell must be at least one level lower than the highest level spell the Dread Necromancer can cast. The spell is treated as being one level higher.
Dhampir - Add +1/2 to the Dread Necromancer's level for the purposes of determining the effects of her Charnel Touch.
Samsaran - Add +1/2 to the Dread Necromancer's saves against death effects.
Drow -
Orc - Add +1 foot to the range of the Dread Necromancer's Fear Aura talent; this bonus has no effect until the Dread Necromancer has selected it 5 times
Changeling - Add one spell from the witch's spell list to the Dread Necromancer's spells known; the spell must be at least one level lower than the highest level spell the Dread Necromancer can cast. The spell is treated as being one level higher.


I intend to add some Archetypes as well, but those will come later

Diachronos
2014-07-11, 11:25 AM
Death Knight


Skills: The Death Knight adds Climb (Str) and Ride (Dex) to their list of class skills, and loses Disguise (Cha) and Stealth (Dex) as class skills.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Death Knights are proficient with all simple and martial weapons, and with light armor. They may wear light without incurring the normal arcane spell failure chance.
This replaces the normal Dread Necromancer proficiencies.
Spells: The Death Knight's number of spell slots at each level is reduced by 2.
Charnel Strike: The Death Knight can channel negative energy through their weapon. At will, the Death Knight may enhance their weapon this way, dealing 1d4 negative energy damage in addition to the weapon's normal damage; this damage is not multiplied on a critical hit. The enhancement lasts until the end of the Death Knight's turn, and may not be used for attacks of opportunity.
At 4th level, the Death Knight's Charnel Strike may be applied to attacks of opportunity, and the damage increases to 1d8.
At 8th level, the Death Knight's Charnel Strike damage now multiplies on a critical hit, using the critical multiplier of their weapon. In addition, they add 1/2 their Charisma modifier to the Charnel Strike damage.
At 12th level, the Death Knight adds 1/2 their Charisma modifier to their attack rolls and critical confirmation rolls when using Charnel Strike, and they add their full Charisma modifier to the Charnel Strike damage.
At 16th level, the Death Knight adds their full Charisma modifier to their attack rolls and critical confirmation rolls when using Charnel Strike.
At 20th level, the Death Knight's Charnel Strike increases the critical multiplier of their weapon by one step (so a X2 weapon would become a X3 weapon), and when rolling the weapon and Charnel Strike damage they may choose to apply the higher roll to both effects.
This ability replaces Charnel Touch
Charnel Guidance: When using their Charnel Strike, the Death Knight's base attack bonus is equal to their class level.
This replaces Channel Negative Energy and the Command Undead bonus feat.
Dread Might: At 4th level, the Death Knight gains the ability to enhance their physical power with necromantic energy. A number of times per day equal to their Charisma modifier, the Death Knight may gain a profane bonus equal to half their class level to their Strength. This bonus lasts for one round per class level.
This ability replaces the 4th level Necromantic Talent
Medium Armor: At 5th level, the Death Knight gains proficiency with medium armor, and may cast Dread Necromancer spells without arcane spell failure chance while wearing medium armor. They still incur the normal penalties for casting while wearing heavy armor or shields.
This ability replaces Undead Mastery (Minor)
Dread Resilience: At 8th level, the Death Knight gains the ability to enhance their endurance with necromantic energy. A number of times per day equal to their Charisma modifier, the Death Knight may gain temporary hit points equal to (1/4 level x Cha). These temporary hit points last for one minute per class level. The Death Knight may use Dread Resilience and Dread Might together, and may activate them together as a move action.
This ability replaces the 8th level Advanced Learning
Death Rides...: At 10th level, the Death Knight gains an undead mount, which they may call or dismiss at will as a full-round action. The mount functions similarly to the mount a paladin gains through their divine bond ability, with the following exceptions:

The mount has a slam attack appropriate for its size, which deals additional damage equal to the Death Knight's Charnel Strike.
The mount counts as an undead creature
The mount does not gain the celestial creature template

This ability replaces Undead Mastery (Lesser) and the 10th level Necromantic Talent
Dread Armor: At 12th level, the Death Knight's body begins to take on the traits of an undead creature, making it more difficult to harm them. They gain a natural armor bonus equal to half their level.
This ability replaces the 12th level Advanced Learning
Heavy Armor: At 15th level, the Death Knight gains proficiency with heavy armor and shields (but not tower shields), and may cast Dread Necromancer spells without arcane spell failure chance while wearing heavy armor or shields. They still incur the normal penalties while wearing a tower shield.
This ability replaces Undead Mastery (Greater)
On a Pale Horse: At 20th level, the Death Knight becomes a nigh-unstoppable harbinger of death itself. Their type changes to undead, and they gain channel resistance +6. They may move at their normal speed while wearing armor of any type, and any weapon they wield is considered to have a threat range of 18-20 before any modifiers to the weapon's threat range, such as Improved Critical or the keen property.
In addition, they gain the dullahan's Death's Calling ability (DC 10 + 1/2 level + Cha), which they can use a number of times per day equal to their Charisma modifier.
This ability replaces Undead Ascension

Necromantic Talents: The Death Knight may not select Extra Charnel Touch, Skeletal Guardian, or Necromantic Familiar as one of their talents. They may choose to select a combat feat that they qualify for in place of a talent, and count their fighter level as half their Death Knight level for determining which feats they qualify for.


((Dread Necromancer that sacrifices some of their magic capabilities for physical combat))

Grave Stalker


Base Attack Bonus: The Grave Stalker's BAB is equal to 3/4 his class level.
This replaces Channel Negative Energy and Command Undead
Grave Strike: The Grave Stalker can aim a blow charged with negative energy a creature's vitals for additional damage if he can catch them unaware. This ability functions like a Rogue's sneak attack, dealing 1d6 extra damage (regular damage) against an enemy that is flanked by the Grave Stalker or denied their Dex bonus to their AC; the damage increases by 1d6 at every odd level, up to a maximum of 10d6 at 19th level. Grave Strike and Sneak Attack stack, but Grave Stalker levels do not stack with Rogue levels (or levels in any other class that gains sneak attack) for determining the strength of Grave Strike or Sneak Attack.
The negative energy imbued into a Grave Stalker's Grave Strike grants the ability an additional effect: Any creature slain with Grave Strike rises as an undead creature under the Grave Stalker's control one round later. No material components are required; the effect uses the negative energy imbued in the attack and the last remnants of the slain creature's life force to animate the body. Undead created with Grave Strike count toward the total number of HD the Grave Stalker can animate and control using Animate Dead.

At 4th level, the animation effect functions as Lesser Animate Dead, and can animate creatures with HD up to half the Grave Stalker's level.
At 8th level, the number of HD that the Grave Stalker can animate increases to be equal to his level.
At 12th level, Grave Strike functions as Animate Dead rather than Lesser Animate Dead; he can animate a creature up to twice his level in HD, or he can animate a creature whose HD is up to his level as a variant undead.
At 16th level, the Grave Stalker may animate a creature with up to twice his HD, and may choose to animate them as a variant undead
At 20th level, the Grave Stalker may choose to animate a creature slain by Grave Strike as if he were casting Create Undead; if he does, the undead is automatically under his control upon animating.

This ability replaces Charnel Touch

Grave Shadow: The Grave Stalker gains a bonus equal to half his class level (minimum +1) to all Stealth checks; this bonus increases to +1 per class level while in a graveyard or tomb.
This ability replaces Channel Negative Energy

Stalking Dead: At 5th level, the Grave Stalker's undead become more adept at stealth and ambush combat. Undead the Grave Stalker controls gain a +2 bonus to Dexterity and Stealth, and they gain a sneak attack when attacking an opponent that is flanked or denied its Dex bonus to its AC. Undead the Grave Stalker controls count as having a rogue level equal to 1/4 their HD for the purposes of determining the undead's sneak attack damage.
At 10th level, the Dexterity and Stealth bonuses increase to +4, and the Grave Stalker's undead count as having a rogue level equal to 1/2 their HD for determining sneak attack damage.
At 15th level, the Dexterity and Stealth bonuses increase to +6, and the Grave Stalker's undead count as having a rogue level equal to their HD for determining sneak attack damage.
At 20th level, the Dexterity and Stealth bonuses increase to +8, and the Grave Stalker's undead may use any of the rogue talents their master possesses that modify the damage or effect of their sneak attack (they still face the normal restrictions, such as not being able to apply more than one Strike talent to their sneak attack).
This ability replaces Undead Mastery

Rogue Talent: The Grave Stalker may select one of the following rogue talents in place of a necromantic talent, though he must meet any prerequisites (the Grave Stalker counts as having a rogue level equal to his Grave Stalker level for meeting the prerequisites): Befuddling Strike, Bleeding Attack, Distracting Attack, Offensive Defense, Powerful Sneak, Slow Reactions, Underhanded, Crippling Strike, Deadly Sneak, Hamstring Strike.



((Necromancer/Rogue-ish combination))

Dyhmas
2014-07-11, 05:29 PM
Just wanted to say this is an amazing class. I always liked the original class but always felt that it lacked something. It was your version that got me into making my Necromantic Gentleman (accompanied by his late wife). I got out of lurking just to say that. Eagerly hoping for the new Archetypes.

More into the class:

-I have played it on a short campaign, from levels 4 to 9 (very fast leveling, I know), and I gotta say I simply loved the Skeletal Guardian (especially usefull since my group had no real frontliner). I oftenly just supported my skeletal guardian with healing while debuffing enemies and using SoD/SoS.

-Altough I haven't played this class since lvl 1 and haven't got up to lvl 10, I feel that it has a very linear balance, as in I never felt overpowered in comparison to my other group mates, nor have I felt too big a step in power from one level to another. Wich is pretty much the point of this specialized casting classes, right?

-I think that at no point have I used any blasting, and that I get somewhat of a Diablo 2 vibe from it, wich is quite pleasantly nostalgic. No idea if that was intended or not, tho. I'm very sad that I haven't got far enough to use the Wall of Bones spell. In fact, before you posted it, I had created a minor (so to speak) version of it, that my DM approved, as well as an "effigy" spell, that created a totem with a fear aura (very usefull battlefield controlling), made of the bones of my slain foes (material component).

Anyway, this is my second post on the foruns, sorry if it wasn't helpfull. Keep up the outstanding work.

-Dyhmas

Diachronos
2014-07-13, 01:45 PM
Okay, so Death Knight is done, might need a little tweaking though.

I'm still working out ideas for White Necromancer and Grave Stalker.

Diachronos
2014-07-20, 02:14 PM
Grave Stalker is done for the most part, just need some feedback on whether its abilities need modification.

And I had to change the name of the White Necromancer Archetype; I hadn't realized that there was already a White Necromancer class (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/kobold-press-open-design/white-necromancer).

Diachronos
2014-10-02, 02:53 AM
Spells: A Corpsegrafter's spellcasting ability is more limited than that of a typical Dread Necromancer. She uses the spells-per-day progression of a bard, and can't cast any Dread Necromancer spell above 6th level (she may still cast 7th, 8th, and 9th level Dread Necromancer spells through the use of spell trigger and spell completion items with a successful Use Magic Device check). This replaces the normal Dread Necromancer spell feature.
Skills: The Corpsegrafter adds Heal to her list of class skills.
Corpsegraft: A Corpsegrafter can modify her undead minions, enhancing their abilities or granting them entirely new ones. She possesses a number of "grafting points" that she may use to grant evolutions to an undead creature as if it were a summoner's eidolon; the evolutions may be applied to the undead creature either before or after it has been animated/created. Corpsegrafter levels count as Summoner levels for the purposes of determining an evolution's strength and which ones can be taken, and undead creatures automatically count as having the Undead Appearance evolution.
The Corpsegrafter's grafting points count toward the total number of HD that she can control with Animate Dead (for example, the Rend evolution costs 2 grafting points, so it uses up 2 HD of her Animate Dead limit), and the total number of grafting points applied to her undead creatures may not exceed half of her total Animate Dead limit; essentially, she may have no more than twice her level in grafting points applied to her undead creatures at any given time. Evolutions granted to an undead creature cease to count toward her Animate Dead limit once the creature is destroyed.
Applying an evolution requires 8 hours of work and 50g of materials (normally flesh and/or bones, but other body parts and materials may be needed for more "exotic" modifications) per grafting point.
The following evolutions may be applied using a Corpsegrafter's grafting points:

1-point: Bleed, Improved Damage, Magic Attacks, Pincers, Resistance, Slam, Slippery, Sticky, Sting, Tail, Tail Slap, Tentacle, Unnatural Aura, Wing Buffet
2-point: Ability Increase, Channel Resistance, Energy Attacks, Extra HD (increases HD by 1 for hit points, BAB, saves, skills, and ability DCs), Flight (may spend additional points for increased fly speed, but not to make flight magical), Gore, Rake, Sickening, Tremorsense
3-point: Frightful Presence, See In Darkness, Swallow Whole, Web
4-point: Breath Weapon, Fast Healing, Large, Lifesense, Spell Resistance


Additionally, the Corpsegrafter may apply any Necrocraft modification (Bestiary 4, page 200), using a number of graft points equal to the listed number of construction points.

This replaces Charnel Touch
Grafting Expertise: The Corpsegrafter's experience at modifying undead creatures enables her to do so at a faster pace. At 5th level, the time required to apply an evolution is reduced to 4 hours per grafting point. This is further reduced to 2 hours at 10th level, 1 hour at 15th level, and 30 minutes at 20th level.
In addition, at 5th level she always has a small reserve of grafting materials at hand. Each day, she possesses materials equal to 10g per Corpsegrafter level; this increases to 25g per level at 10th level, and 50g per level at 15th level.
This replaces Undead Mastery
Self-Graft: At 10th level, the Corpsegrafter gains the ability to modify her own body in the same way that she grafts her undead creatures; she may select any evolution she meets the prerequisites for except for Head and Extra HD, and counts as having Undead Appearance for determining which evolutions she may take. A self-graft consumes the normal amount of material components and grafting points, but requires 16 hours of work per grafting point. Additionally, as applying the graft requires extensive surgery to properly attach, she takes (1d4 + grafting point cost of the evolution) points of Constitution damage when applying a self-graft; due to knowing her own limits, she may not apply a self-graft if her current Con score is lower than (5 + point cost of the evolution). Constitution damage taken due to a self-graft heals over time as normal, but is more difficult to heal through magic; magical effects that heal ability damage only heal 1 point at a time.
At 15th level, the Corpsegrafter gets better at minimizing the damage to herself when applying a self-graft; she only deals 1d4 points of Con damage with each evolution, though she may still not apply it if her Con score is less than 5.
At 20th level, the Corpsegrafter only deals 1 point of Con damage to herself with each evolution she applies to herself, regardless of the point cost (she still may not reduce her Con score to less than 1). Applying a self-graft now only takes 8 hours of work per point.
This replaces Advanced Learning and Craft Wondrous Item
Graftmaster: At 20th level, the Corpsegrafter


It still needs a capstone, and some other parts might still need a little work (like balancing out how to effectively do the materials for the grafting and some undead-themed evolutions, like a vampire's blood drain), but I think it's mostly done.

Other ideas I have at the moment are Soulshaper (focused on working with souls and incorporeal undead) and Gray Necromancer (sort of like a dedicated healer for both living and undead creatures), but they're not quite fleshed out.

I'm also debating over a talent that would make it easier for them to control undead creatures they find or that they animate with Create (Greater) Undead. Probably something like an "Undead Empathy" (with a higher DC for mindless undead), or something that lets them control something they make with Create Undead using their Animate Dead HD limit. Thoguhts?

infinitetech
2014-10-04, 04:10 AM
i know this is a bit of an odd suggestion, but it does have very valid spells... have you ever read through the call of Cthulhu book? the spells are quite cool, but very dark, also very glad this is being brought back

Diachronos
2014-10-04, 12:00 PM
i know this is a bit of an odd suggestion, but it does have very valid spells... have you ever read through the call of Cthulhu book? the spells are quite cool, but very dark, also very glad this is being brought back

I haven't, but I'll take a look and see if I can find anythibg that fits the class.

infinitetech
2014-10-04, 02:50 PM
oh, trust me you will like the spell list, mwahhaha, ask for a type of spell and ill send you some examples

Lord_Velysarn
2014-11-04, 01:09 PM
I absolutely LOVE this.
I modded DN to a PF game I play in over a year ago, and it looks very similar to this, albeit this conversion is more polished than mine. Lol

The archetypes created are fantastic, especially the Grave Stalker. I may just show this to my DM and reroll as a Grave Stalker DN. Thank you so much for your efforts, know that they are appreciated and being used!

Falco1029
2014-12-17, 04:10 AM
I just found this, and wanted to say it's the best DN conversion I've found. You give it the flexibility of a Pathfinder class (Necromantic talents), you give them the extra skillpoints needed, you fix the spell list and give it a few pathfinder-based spells that make sense (Undead anatomy, Blood money, lesser animate dead), and successfully transfer all of its features in a way that makes sense for Pathfinder (Channel Negative Energy, Command Undead). I've seen a few others but this is by far the best one I've seen so far, kudos.

Diachronos
2014-12-17, 10:19 AM
Thanks for all the feedback!

NeoSeraphi
2014-12-17, 10:43 AM
Bumping Lesser animate dead down to a 1st level spell improves its power significantly at all levels due to one thing in particular: its opportunity cost. Because you've made it compete with spell slots that could otherwise be used for spells like bane, ray of enfeeblement, and inflict light wounds, which are mostly only good early game, rather than vomit swarm, false life, ghoul touch, and ray of weakness, which retain some usefulness at all levels, you have effectively turned lesser animate dead into the dread necromancer's core animating spell. That's not its intended use. Its intended use is to make necromancers not have to wait until 5th level to start animating, but they should not start animating at 1st level. That's why WotC made the summon undead line, so that necromancers could feel like they had some undead flavor early but still had to burn reasonable spell slots for the power that animation granted them.

It sucks that a necromancer can't animate companions at level one. But animation is a higher level of magic. It's something to work towards. It's not something a person should be able to do just by picking up a book and learning how to cast magic missile. The effect of lesser animate dead is permanent. It's much stronger than any other first level spell or spell slot that could be used there.

NeoSeraphi
2014-12-17, 12:33 PM
You should not give the Death Knight full BAB at will. First of all, it's really awkward phrasing. "If the Death Knight is altering his attack with his bonus damage that he can use at-will, then his BAB changes and grants him more iterative attacks. Somehow."

Second, even if that is what you really want, then you should use the baseline for PF. The magus is the PF's sword and sorcery baseline. The duskblade does not exist in PF, so having a full caster with full BAB is just too strong for this particular edition. Now, if you'd like, you could do this in a way that isn't awkward and simply have the Death Knight's BAB be 3/4 progression instead of 1/2, and have that replace the Channel Negative Energy/Command Undead instead. That way you don't get the awkward "I only get extra attacks through the power of undeath" wording.

Falco1029
2014-12-18, 06:17 AM
Bumping Lesser animate dead down to a 1st level spell improves its power significantly at all levels due to one thing in particular: its opportunity cost. Because you've made it compete with spell slots that could otherwise be used for spells like bane, ray of enfeeblement, and inflict light wounds, which are mostly only good early game, rather than vomit swarm, false life, ghoul touch, and ray of weakness, which retain some usefulness at all levels, you have effectively turned lesser animate dead into the dread necromancer's core animating spell. That's not its intended use. Its intended use is to make necromancers not have to wait until 5th level to start animating, but they should not start animating at 1st level. That's why WotC made the summon undead line, so that necromancers could feel like they had some undead flavor early but still had to burn reasonable spell slots for the power that animation granted them.

It sucks that a necromancer can't animate companions at level one. But animation is a higher level of magic. It's something to work towards. It's not something a person should be able to do just by picking up a book and learning how to cast magic missile. The effect of lesser animate dead is permanent. It's much stronger than any other first level spell or spell slot that could be used there.

Remember that animate dead scales with level, so at level 1 you have a couple of 2HD (at most) skeletons running around, and that's if you're willing to spend 100gp of your meager level 1 gold on onyx to raise them to start with. Hirelings are still viable at level 1-2, so speaking by comparison, it's not too big a deal, I wouldn't think.

EDIT: As for opportunity costs, in early game it's significant that it's competing with level 1 spells, whereas later in the game it wouldn't often be taking up spell slots for either spell level very often, and it'd be one out of quite a few. Most dread necromancers, in my experience, animate something once a session or so, unless they're putting together a makeshift army.

NeoSeraphi
2014-12-18, 11:47 AM
Remember that animate dead scales with level, so at level 1 you have a couple of 2HD (at most) skeletons running around, and that's if you're willing to spend 100gp of your meager level 1 gold on onyx to raise them to start with. Hirelings are still viable at level 1-2, so speaking by comparison, it's not too big a deal, I wouldn't think.

The difference is that the dread necromancer has access to the blood money spell at 1st level. So no, it doesn't cost them a cent.

Not to mention, the main difference between hirelings and skeletons:

Immunity to all mind-affecting abilities
Immune to poison, sleep, paralysis, stunning, ability damage, physical ability penalties, ability drain, death effects and anything that requires a Fortitude save that doesn't also affect objects.
Cannot say no to the caster. Will voluntarily put itself in danger.



EDIT: As for opportunity costs, in early game it's significant that it's competing with level 1 spells, whereas later in the game it wouldn't often be taking up spell slots for either spell level very often, and it'd be one out of quite a few. Most dread necromancers, in my experience, animate something once a session or so, unless they're putting together a makeshift army.
You can't compare it to tables you've seen before, because dread necromancers have access to animate dead as a second level spell, so their opportunity cost is higher. Unless you've seen someone play a late game necromancer who could burn a 1st level spell slot to cast animate dead, there's no telling how often it would come up in play.

magman
2015-06-02, 11:32 PM
Wow! This is one of the best updates/conversions i've ever seen! Congrats!!

I tried to make this update in a Dread Necromancer class in Hero Labs - Pathfinder, i will upload the archive here for anyone that want to use, when i finish reviewing! I really do not know much about sripting, but i think it is at least viable to play.

If anyone wanna make a better version go on, i don't mind at all!

Jeffrey
2016-03-16, 06:19 PM
[LIST]

Elf - Add one spell from the wizard spell list to the Dread Necromancer's spells known; the spell must be at least one level lower than the highest level spell the Dread Necromancer can cast. The spell is treated as being one level higher.

Drow -



Does the Drow not get a class bonus, or is it the same a s the elf?

Cyrus_Mortis
2016-03-21, 04:34 PM
Undead Guardian:
The Dread Necromancer obtains an undead minion (a human warrior skeleton or human warrior zombie) that serves her. Obtaining the guardian involves a 24-hour ritual and 100gp worth of materials.
At first, the guardian is completely typical, but it gains power as the Dread Necromancer gains levels. The guardian has a number of Hit Dice equal to the necromancer’s HD. It also receives a bonus to its natural armor equal to one-half the Dread Necromancer’s HD, and a bonus equal to one-third of the Dread Necromancer’s class level to its Strength and Dexterity scores.
The Undead Guardian has an Intelligence score equal to (5 + 1/2 its master's HD).
* Special: A Dread Necromancer who selects the Undead Guardian talent may not select the Necromantic Familiar talent.



Hey, I love this class!!

I have two quick questions:

It says "warrior" skeleton or zombie... is that just the standard or is that a skeleton with the npc warrior class?
Does the skeleton or zombie have to be regular or can you make it a variant when you create it(ie: fast zombie, bloody skeleton)?

Cyrus_Mortis
2016-03-23, 12:14 PM
Hello,

I thought of what seems like a reasonable feat for the Dread Necromancer

I would appreciate any feedback

Name: Necromantic Mastery

Prerequisites: Spell focus(Necromancy), Undead Mastery, Dread Necromancer Level 5, either Undead Guardian or Undead Familiar Necromantic Talent. (possibly Corpsecrafter as an additional pre-req.)

Normal:
The dread Necromancer cannot choose both Undead Familiar and Undead Guardian Necromantic Talent, The Undead Guardian is either a skeleton or zombie without variant.

Effect:
This feat allows the Dread Necromancer to take both the Undead Guardian and Undead Familiar Necromantic Talents.

This feat also allows the Dread Necromancer to use a Variant of Zombie or Skeleton when creating it's guardian for an additional 400 gold worth of materials used in its creation. If already created the Dread Necromancer can upgrade its Guardian into a variant using another 8 hour ritual costing 500gold (If being upgraded the original 100 spent on its creation doesn't count towards the upgrade cost).

EDIT:
I thought of another more general caster feat.. sorry if something like it already exists... not sure about prerequsites

Name: Energy Focus

Prerequisites: Channel Energy Class ability, or ability to cast arcane spells; Spell focus(any)

Effect:
When taking this feat the player chooses an energy type from the following: acid, electicity, cold, fire, positive, negative.
If the prerequisites are met with Channel energy the energy type is the same as their class. If the character has both arcane spells and channel energy they can choose any energy type.

For the chosen energy type the caster recieves a +1 damage bonus per die on all spells of that energy type.