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Furin
2007-02-28, 10:57 PM
Will we see anything about Parsons friends in the "real" world or are they just going to accept the fact that he vanished in front of them?

Thanatos
2007-03-01, 12:00 AM
Will we see anything about Parsons friends in the "real" world or are they just going to accept the fact that he vanished in front of them?
Well, you know how there's a distinction between game time and real time, and they move at different speeds... he might end up gone for minutes or years, regardless of how long the war on Erf takes. Maybe he never comes back... but I doubt that. I think that as much as this is a dream he's always hoped for, he'll want to return to Earth eventually. If the time difference is minor, though... he might go back to Erf sometimes, like a twisted version of the Avatar from the Ultima series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima

donkyhotay
2007-03-14, 06:56 PM
Or maybe after having already fought the battle once he'll come back knowing exactly how to win.

benthehater
2007-03-15, 12:55 PM
I think "friends" might be a bit of an overestimation. His sudden departure from the world they know was met with some mild surprise, and then they started claiming his stuff.

I imagine they might have sold his car too. For a 12 pack of Busch Light.

pclips
2007-03-15, 02:23 PM
True spoiler, from the author. Think before clicking, please. Seriously.

I was glad to see this thread, because there are some plans to involve Parson's gaming buddies in the future of Erfworld. If everything goes as we hope it will, then you have not seen the last of those guys.

Khantalas
2007-03-15, 02:37 PM
I love me spoilers. Especially if it's from Elvis.

Sampi
2007-03-15, 02:51 PM
Pclips, you tease. I cannot click that spoiler button, yet I cannot restrain myself. You have forced me to turn off my computer.

SteveMB
2007-03-15, 03:20 PM
Pclips, you tease. I cannot click that spoiler button, yet I cannot restrain myself.
At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet?

StickMan
2007-03-15, 03:24 PM
I think we will end up with them leading enemy army's later in the story line. It would be funny if he had to fight them and they new each others strengths and weaknesses.


Hey I just became an Orc sweet, wait whats that smell, no its the smell of Orc, I just got use the the dwarfs dirt smell.

Zanaril
2007-03-15, 03:25 PM
At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet?

At "brain imploding".

Sampi
2007-03-15, 06:11 PM
At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet?

At about four drinks. Soon, I will hit five, and the must hit the button will prevail.

dakiwiboid
2007-03-16, 11:12 AM
OMG! pclips, I clicked the spoiler button, and now I'm so excited! My brain's fermenting with ideas about how you're going to bring that about!

Strengfellow
2007-03-16, 12:06 PM
I would post my thoughts on this topic but I don't know how to do spoilirs. So I forbear

Cobra_Ikari
2007-03-16, 12:28 PM
Text in spoiler

I liked Parson's friends. And I think my friends would react similarly.

If I were with someone, and they disappeared, my thoughts would be something like "Oh-my-god-he-just-disappeared-quick-be-witty-to-diffuse-tension-before-your-brain-explodes".

Strengfellow
2007-03-16, 02:50 PM
Right heres my take on how to get Parsons friends into Erfworld.

Theory one: Ansom has them ported in to lead his army against Stanleys after Parson routs his forces in the battle.
Possible as it recreats the game dynamic quite nicely.

Theory two: Stanley has them brought in to lead other battles / plan campaign / do logistics, one by one after Parsons stunning victory at Gobwin knob.
Bringing them in as the need arises and as Parson recomends his "lieutenants".
Possible depending on how long the present battle last's

Theory three: Car crash, tornado etcetera AKA deus ex machina.
Inconseivable.

Thank you Cobra

donkyhotay
2007-03-21, 12:02 PM
Well since tool and wanda just simply BOUGHT the ultimate warlord spell I don't see any reason for anyone else being unable to buy that same spell from the hippiemancers. Even wanda and tool theoretically could buy it again if they ever get more money.

Darth Paradox
2007-03-21, 06:09 PM
Right heres my take on how to get Parsons friends into Erfworld.

Theory one: Ansom has them ported in to lead his army against Stanleys after Parson routs his forces in the battle.
Possible as it recreats the game dynamic quite nicely.

Theory two: Stanley has them brought in to lead other battles / plan campaign / do logistics, one by one after Parsons stunning victory at Gobwin knob.
Bringing them in as the need arises and as Parson recomends his "lieutenants".
Possible depending on how long the present battle last's

Theory three: Car crash, tornado etcetera AKA deus ex machina.
Inconseivable.

Thank you Cobra

I like Theory One. It brings to mind conflicts like the Civil War and the global conflicts in the Ender's Shadow series where former military academy classmates meet on opposing sides of the field of battle. It can make for some fantastic drama.

SteveMB
2007-03-21, 08:02 PM
Right heres my take on how to get Parsons friends into Erfworld.

Theory one: Ansom has them ported in to lead his army against Stanleys after Parson routs his forces in the battle.
Possible as it recreats the game dynamic quite nicely.

It would certainly put a new twist on the "what makes you think we're the bad guys" point if Ansom doesn't bother with the issue of whether the target wishes to be summoned....

Glome
2007-03-21, 10:35 PM
Right heres my take on how to get Parsons friends into Erfworld.

Theory one: Ansom has them ported in to lead his army against Stanleys after Parson routs his forces in the battle.
Possible as it recreats the game dynamic quite nicely.

Theory two: Stanley has them brought in to lead other battles / plan campaign / do logistics, one by one after Parsons stunning victory at Gobwin knob.
Bringing them in as the need arises and as Parson recomends his "lieutenants".
Possible depending on how long the present battle last's

Theory three: Car crash, tornado etcetera AKA deus ex machina.
Inconseivable.

Thank you Cobra

Theory three has me thinking of that old dungeons and dragon cartoon where they just happen on a 'dungeons and dragon' ride that teleports them another world. I seems sort of lame to me if they 'randomly' end up in the same world as Parson without being specifically summoned. Although would make a great joke reference. 'Hey look, it's the dungeon and dragons ride. Plot.'

Bogardan_Mage
2007-03-30, 06:50 AM
It would certainly put a new twist on the "what makes you think we're the bad guys" point if Ansom doesn't bother with the issue of whether the target wishes to be summoned....
Oh, I don't know about that. I wouldn't say "Considering the wishes of a summoned being before summoning" to be a defining feature of good. Most likely it wouldn't even occur to Ansom that the target wouldn't want to be summoned. It only occured to Stanley because he was worried someone who didn't want to be summoned wouldn't perform as well as a general (kind of like Beyurn in the Gods of Arr'Kelaan, "You can't just conscript people who don't want to fight! They'll suck!")

Tevildo
2007-04-04, 06:36 PM
I think what he have here is people not thinking outside the box :smallsmile:

Looking back at pages 14-16, you'll notice a few things. Parson couldn't possibly have been working on a game for five months and not written stuff down; that's probably what the book and stuff on the table are. You'll also notice that his friends didn't actually leave.

I expect that one of them will just sit down behind Parson's screen and begin running the game--probably when the battle actually starts--and THEIR actions in the game will influence the outcome on Parson's side. The parallels are too juicy to just plop the other people in Erfworld.

Darth Paradox
2007-04-04, 07:19 PM
I think what he have here is people not thinking outside the box :smallsmile:

Looking back at pages 14-16, you'll notice a few things. Parson couldn't possibly have been working on a game for five months and not written stuff down; that's probably what the book and stuff on the table are. You'll also notice that his friends didn't actually leave.

I expect that one of them will just sit down behind Parson's screen and begin running the game--probably when the battle actually starts--and THEIR actions in the game will influence the outcome on Parson's side. The parallels are too juicy to just plop the other people in Erfworld.

That would be assuming that Erfworld was actually Parson's game. It's pretty clear at this point that it isn't - Parson is unfamiliar with far too many details of the world.

Imgran
2007-04-04, 08:10 PM
That's not definitely true. After all a world looks a lot different on the inside. Parson is wise not to simply start assuming it's his homebrewed world without knowing more about it but he's already starting to pick up a lot of similarities.

the_tick_rules
2007-04-05, 09:59 AM
they're gamers, if anyone can handle weird stuff, they can.

SteveMB
2007-04-05, 10:07 AM
That would be assuming that Erfworld was actually Parson's game. It's pretty clear at this point that it isn't - Parson is unfamiliar with far too many details of the world.
True -- the one thing that's established as a clear parallel is the geography of Gobwin Knob (the aerial view (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0003.html) matches the tabletop map (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0016.html), and Parson recognizes (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0023.html) the terrain (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0024.html)). All bets are off as to details beyond the basic level of "one side defending this spot against an invasion by the other side".

Bobbis
2007-04-05, 10:25 AM
What if the exact reverse happens and erfworld gets somehow brought to earth? We know the two of them are somehow connected since Parson got summoned there. Shadowrun type cataclysm, anyone?

Alex Kidd
2007-04-06, 10:31 AM
What if the exact reverse happens and erfworld gets somehow brought to earth? We know the two of them are somehow connected since Parson got summoned there. Shadowrun type cataclysm, anyone?

Heh I like, my idea along these lines goes After the battle for Gobwin Gnob, we cut to what remains of Ansom's forces fleeing into the real world causing havoc, magic messing up the worlds physics to the point most modern tech becomes completely unworkable, and then we find out why they're here. A massive army lead by a crusading demigodlike Stanley. Parson being the reluctant but feared right hand, probably popping cheesy Vader lines when he encounters his friends.:smalltongue:

Maerad of Pellinor
2007-04-09, 12:21 AM
True spoiler, from the author. Think before clicking, please. Seriously.

I was glad to see this thread, because there are some plans to involve Parson's gaming buddies in the future of Erfworld. If everything goes as we hope it will, then you have not seen the last of those guys.When I saw that, I thought, "so what is he going to say about Parson's friends coming back? And then I thought, "do I want to know?" And then I thought, "well, I've certainly posted enough about what I think Erfworld represents, so I may as well read it." And then I read it and sighed....:smalltongue:

I think there's going to be a third faction that summons them....

Icewalker
2007-04-09, 01:20 AM
Well, when I read that that spoiler above was an actual spoiler for the actual plot, I immediately suspected what it was... that they would show up in some way, and I was happy to be right. I think they will either come due to Parson asking for their help, or that other theory, Ansom getting their help. I think it'd be funnier if it was Parson asking for them.

Uthrac
2007-06-26, 08:45 AM
I think the most likely outcome is for the friends to show up on Ansom's side. Parson wanted to play the game "for real," and his friends were set up in the real world to "command armies."

Note also that in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0015.html Parson tells his friends that they are about to "command armies." As the game comes to life for Parson, it seems logical that he will soon play against the very players for which he designed the scenario.

Fuzzy_Juan
2007-06-26, 09:51 AM
I think the most likely outcome is for the friends to show up on Ansom's side. Parson wanted to play the game "for real," and his friends were set up in the real world to "command armies."

Note also that in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0015.html Parson tells his friends that they are about to "command armies." As the game comes to life for Parson, it seems logical that he will soon play against the very players for which he designed the scenario.

It would be very interesting if Wanda was the one who ends up summoning the others...not for Stanly, but for Ansom...she might have her own reasons...hell, maybe she wants them to destroy each other in a huge war that won't happen if one side can mop the other up with impunity. Wanda has cast the spell before, and may soon enough learn about his friends from Parson...something to think about...

Roupe
2007-06-26, 09:57 AM
Or Anson gets some one to cast a similar spell like the one wanda cast

This time with the requirement. "Get me a Warlord that has beaten Lord Hamster & is familiar with his strategies"

angra
2007-06-26, 08:13 PM
The allusion to time dilation early in the thread got me to thinking about the relationship between "real world" and "game world" time frames, in a TBS. What if the time relationship between them is what it is in a gaming scenario...minutes or hours per turn...which got me thinking...

Parson is in the game he designed, and, presumably had set up ready to play out, could we, later on, see his friends look down to the game board, and see it playing out? A lot of fun could be had with that, but it's probably a little too corny/honey-i-shrunk-the-kids for this comic. I guess I think the "friends go to erfworld" scenario more likely than the "friends observe miniature erfworld playing out", but it would be fun :)

doliemaster
2007-06-28, 07:37 PM
Um, does anyone remeber Parson saying, "Impossible situation" that probably means if erfworld was his scenario, they would be incharge of Stanleys forces, not Ansoms, as before Parson they were losing, BAD.

Aquillion
2007-06-29, 01:01 AM
Um, does anyone remeber Parson saying, "Impossible situation" that probably means if erfworld was his scenario, they would be incharge of Stanleys forces, not Ansoms, as before Parson they were losing, BAD.Nah. Remember a few things:

First, Parson's side in the game was going to be controlled by, wait for it... Parson! So the fact that Stanley's forces were losing without Parson doesn't really mean much. Erfworld's situation doesn't necessarily represent the starting position of Parson's game; it may represent it after thirty turns of "Parson's" forces being commanded by an awful leader like Stanley, up against the competent leadership of Ansom and Vinny. Parson might have intended for his version of Stanley's side to be part of an evil coalition equal to or vastly larger than that controlled by his friends; the fact that Stanley managed to alienate everyone and everything is Stanley's fault, not part of Parson's setup.

Second. Parson invented the game, and this was apparently going to be the first time anyone else ever played it. If he's good at running games and wants everyone to have fun, it's not surprising that he'd give his friends a numerical advantage to make up for this.

Third. Parson told his friends they'd be the good guys, fighting against unspeakable evil. He took Gobwin Knob to be these bad guys. This, more than anything else, shows that his friends were going to be in the place currently represented by Ansom.

EdgarVerona
2007-06-29, 02:03 AM
Woot! Elvis with the spoiler! Fantastic! =)

I really like the interactivity that Erfworld's author gives to the fans. I enjoy OOTS and all, and Rich seems like a good guy... but you'd never get good interaction from him like Rob gives. I suppose it's just different styles, but I dig how Rob does it. At least for me, it makes me feel more like he knows and appreciates the amount of thought and attention we give to the comic. =)

(not that Rich doesn't feel that way... but, well you know what I mean.)

Anyways, thanks Rob, and keep participating! I enjoy having the creator of the comics be involved in these conversations personally.

EDIT: Hey Rob, when's the merchandise going to come around so we can start funneling money to you? ;) Like I said before, I'll buy a shirt that shows the Arkenhammer on the front and "Tool." on the back. :smallbiggrin: