Alliances forged in Hell.

[Duke Malagigi]

This thread is about what would happen if the worst possible villains (by worst I mean most evil, not most pathetic) of the same and or different fiction universes, joined forces. Maybe an alliance between Voldemort and the Joker, a forced alliance between Voldemort and the Daleks or a four way alliance between the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Fire Nation and the Dai Li. Who would be powerful enough to force such an alliance? Who would want to? Also include likeliness that such an alliance would last for more than a month (in percentages), increase in level of terror (from 1 to 10, total terror 2 to 20) and increase in level of causalities (from 1 to 10, total causalities 2 to 20). You should also include increase in sheer destructive power (from 1 to 10, total destructive power 2 to 20), what new tactics and weapons they could use (such as the Fire Nation attacking the Northern or Southern Water Tribes during a full moon with an army of werewolves) and what the heroes would have to do to cope.

[averagejoe]

Darth Vader. Powerful and scary. He has the mask thing going on, making it impossible to tell what he's thinking. I still get the shivers when, in Empire, he says to Lando, with a carefully veiled threat, "Perhaps you think you are being treated unfairly..." Woo, only guy I know who can pull of that literary technique. Plus there's the whole, "I find your lack of faith disturbing" thing. He'd definitely be the leader. If you can't channel the force, then you have no chance against him, with few exceptions. "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force."

The Terminator. Not the most advanced model, but arguably the coolest, and the most physically possible, at any rate. Adaptable, strong, deadly, emotionless, obedient, ruthless, and built to last. A most excellent mindless lackey who can take the role of assassin, bodyguard, infiltrator, and any number of other functions that cause the death/destruction of others.

The alien queen. Pretty self explanitory. Good source of shock troops. Some communication problems.

Kahn. An impressive specimin, both mentally and physically. Not the most powerful guy ever, but a master strategist and a good guy to have in your corner nonetheless. Plus he has that ever so attractive genocide thing going on. Basically the Batman of villains. And Batman is always a good pick.

Arthas. Now, hordes of alien troops is great, but what happens when they die? Enter the guy who controls undead legions. Then you have undead aliens helping people. Plus he has a cool sword, awsome armor, and is a good commander.

[ray53208]

the problem is getting these various evil forces to work together. i can almost see the sith using the augments as shock troops, much like mandalorians. except kahn wouldnt like being second banana. but what of kahn coupled his massive genetically enhanced form with the disciplines of the dark side of the force? well, then, youve got something really cool. darth kahn?

why would skynet team up with darth kahn? well, for one skynet veiws all humanity as a threat, but how does it feel about something alien? would it seek to use its alien allies to eradicate humanity? or would it see the aliens as a greater threat and seek a truce, albeit a temporary one?

if kahn cannot control something he destroys it. i dont see him being able to rein in skynet easily... but he does have a genius level intellect and darth kahn considers himself a master of the force. we all know how robots fair against force users. to put it lightly: not very well.

the alien queen is thoughtless and driven by pure instinct. shed probably try to lay a queen egg in darth kahn if anything. that would be a fight to see though.

i can see it now... darth kahn in pitched battle against an alien horde. lightsabre flaring and acid spewing. he would be driven back at first by the sheer numbers and ferocity of his enemy. he might lose a limb. then hes use the remains of skynet and his 24th century technology to fashion an advantage, for kahn is if anything resourceful (ceti alpha five taught him well). a cybernetically enhanced, force weilding, genetically enhanged super warrior would annhilate the queen and her broodhive.

but not without a price. kahns aggressive augented immunities mutate the egg inside him. warping him into a synthesis of man, machine, mysticism, and monster. now he is a force to be reckoned with.

wow. i have too much time on my hands, huh?

[Piedmon_Sama]

The problem with villainous alliances isn't forming them---they always look great on paper---but holding them together longer than five seconds. Because seriously, the cool villains--guys like Darth Vader, Lex Luthor, Khan--they don't make alliances. They could never, ever allow anyone else to think for a moment they are equals and peers. That's why it's hard to think of a truly formidable villain team that would hold together for more than five seconds---it can't be a true partnership. The closest you can come is a stiff hirearchy with one as leader and the rest willing to follow. This is why the low-class, "cannon fodder" villains---guys like The Shocker, The Rhino, Toad, The Blob---are frequently found in teams. In fact, they rarely show the spine or ambition to work alone.

So here's my team. It's one I think would not only prove formidable, but viable and able to last for prolongued periods.

1. Khan (Star Trek II) - Overlord

Khan is.... well, he's Khan. He's pretty much the greatest villain ever (the prequels toppled Darth Vader from that throne). He's easily one of the best remembered Star Trek villains, despite only appearing in one movie and one (largely forgotten) episode of the Original Series. His name ("KHAAAAAAN!") has become a pop culture byword for villainy. Khan is genetically engineered to be the perfect warlord: shrewd, cunning, he can make his enemies sweat with even limited resources. Give him men and time and he'd be completely unstoppable. His casual superiority and obscene strength would give him all the credence he needed to lead a gang of villains.

2. Destro (Gi-Joe) - Field Commander

While most senior Cobra members were baby-eating, mother-selling scum of the lowest order, you could always tell Destro was a bit different. The guy is more than just a capable commander, he holds to a code of honor as ironclad as his mask. This doesn't mean Destro wouldn't do what it took to win, nor does it mean he wasn't smart enough to know when to beat feet (because Gi-Joe he had to do that quite regularly.) Yet even when his latest flying battlestation was careening out of the sky on fire, Storm Shadow (seriously Cobra's only guy who could fight worth a damn) had gotten his ass kicked, and Cobra Commander was screaming on the monitor "Destro! Destro! What's going ON!?" like a true leader, Destro never lost his cool. Man was ice-cold, fearless, proud yet ruthless.... everything a subversive organization needs in a tactical command role. The other strength of Destro as a field commander was he never betrayed Cobra Commander---despite CC flubbing not once, but every single villainous plot they could come up with. Again, this guy showed his honor by not just tossing the lisping moron into a helicoptor rotor. In short, Destro has everything an evil commander could want in a subunderling. He'll be providing the shock troops as well---legions of faceless and disposable Cobra Soldiers to throw at the enemy. Plus Destro's ****ing The Baroness, so I guess he has a crazy Mata-Hare ninja babe on call when he needs it.

Underlings

This cadre of no-hopers are the muscle (or finesse, or mind-control, or whatever) on-call for their nefarious commanders. I don't have time to get into specifics, but these guys are all potentially powerful yet servile enough to make decent underlings who can be counted on not to get any "big ideas" about improving their station.

-Mastermind (X-Men)
Mastermind is a douchebag, but hey, he's got mad skills when it comes to misdirection and manipulation. Of course, he'd be no match for a superior intellect such as Khan's, and would be the first to bend his knee and grovel. From there, Jason Wynguarde could be a useful tool for extracting information from opponents and providing illusory cover for the henchmen in battle. Still, he's a douchebag.
-The Toad (X-Men)
OK, I admit it, the Toad has no real place here. He's just on the list because I like him, because he'll meekly obey any order, and because... hell, he's the terrible toad. He's hilairious, the poor, poor little bastard. He'll get smashed in the first round of combat, but you know he'll always be back to try again.
-The Rhino (Spider Man)
Every outfit needs muscle. The Rhino is perfect in this role, perhaps more than any other, precisely because he is directionless muscle just waiting to be given orders. The Rhino's only been effective when working on someone else's payroll and given orders by a competent mind. But when you set him to knocking something down, or smashing a column of tanks, etc. etc... you know your money was well spent.
-Jack 'O Lantern (Spider Man)
I wanted a ranged specialist, and was at first going to go with Bullseye. Then I thought about it and decided that 1. Bullseye is too crazy to be counted on, and 2. Jack O'Lantern can fly. In addition to his pumpkin bombs and glider, he's also got Mysterio's illusion tech, so he's like an amalgam of Mysterio and Green Goblin only he somehow sucks worse than both.
-Tri-Clops (Masters of the Universe)
I always had a special place in my heart for Triclops. He wasn't like the other Masters of Evil--most of whom were either borderline retarded (Beast-Man) or just there because nobody else would take them seriously (Trapjaw). He was kind of sarcastic, knew he was ultimately just a lackey destined to get his ass kicked, and had a cool power besides (as well as bitchin' sword skills.)
-Trapjaw (Masters of the Universe).
There never was a point to Trapjaw. He's just an orc with a metal mouth. But what the hell, he was cool, so he's here.
-Inferno (Transformers: Beast Wars)
Inferno is fanatically loyal to anyone he considers his "queen," totally destructive and impervious to pain. He's also hilairious---I'm sure Khan would get real tired real fast of being referred to as "my queen."
-Waspinator (Transformers: Beast Wars)
Another one thrown in just for fun. Waspinator has never lasted more than 4 seconds in any kind of fight, but it's always hilairious to see him try.

[Dr._Weird]

Will save: Failed

KHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAN!

1. Sauron (Before he was a giant floating eye). Probably the toughest villain out there. Plus, huge armies. His armor (speaking from experience of watching the movies because the books sucked) was pretty damn intimidating, and he could take out big groups of people at once.

2. Kerrigan (Or the Overmind, doesn't matter). Huge freakin' armies of Zerg and the ability to assimilate subjugated species? Hells yes.

3. Cthulhu. You know what? Forget what I said about Sauron being the toughest earlier. Cthulhu pwns. Plus making huge groups of people insane just by being there? Cool. Plus he kills 1d3 investigators per round. Do I really have to mention his widespread cults and otherworldly servants?

If these three were to team up (I don't see that happening though), their enemies would be ****ed.

EDIT: I tried to keep the list concise (Was gonna add Kefka), but it looks like we're going for long lists, so... can do!

Kefka: Seeing as he controlled the gods of magic and used a laser beam to incinerate people who pissed him off, I think he deserves a place on this list. Plus he's an angry clown.

Really, I think that's all the team needs. Any more would just slow the team down.

[averagejoe]

I forgot Kerrigan. Scratch the Alien queen, enter Queen of Blades. Same job, only so much better. The only problem is she's pretty treacherous.

I actually did give some thought to their working together, actually. To answer some responses, I ignore the prequels in everything Star Wars, so Vader is still #1, and I figured that Kahn's own philosophy would lead him to conclude that being placed under Vader would be the only viable option; Vader, after all, can, in many ways, represent a superior form of humanity in and of himself. Plus, he can crush Kahn with his mind. It could potentially work the other way, though. Darth has never really minded the servile position, even to Grand Moff Tarkan (I'm not sure of either the spelling or accuracy of that Grand Moff. It's been awhile.) Why would robots work for anyone else? You program them to. Problem solved. People with less technical knowledge than people in either Kahn's or Vader's eras were able to. I mean, granted, everyone listed would be trying to stab each other in the back, but I figure that they'd wait until victory was assured.

[ray53208]

i think kahn would see vader as a twisted and burned freak too weak to survive outside of his armor and kahns own twisted version of survival of the fittest would demand that he eliminate vader after co-opting all he could from the fallen jedi. and that flawed logic would never apply (in kahns mind) to one so perfect as himself. so he would cyborg up after the alien acid burned away a limb and half a face.

and yeah, dude, the prequels totally blew.

[Duke Malagigi]

The enemies of the Doctor and of the Avatar unite.
1. The Daleks are a race of small blue semi-humanoids. They are murderous genocidal bigots whose goal is to establish a perfect universal order after annihilating all "inferior species", i.e. all other forms of life. They maybe convinced to accept certain groups (like the Fire Nation and Cybermen) of existence with great difficulty. While small, blue and physically weak they are highly intelligent and move about and reside in four-foot tall domed robotic "suits". They're primary orders are “to kill, to destroy, to conquer". They're robotic shells possess powerful sensors and two deadly weapons. One is a death beam that emanates from a telescope shaped attachment and a suction cup that can be used to crush the bones of its victims faces while removes the air from its victims bodies. Their creator is Darvos. The battle cry of the Daleks is "Exterminate, exterminate!".
2. The Cybermen are robotic creatures who seek end suffering among all other sentient creatures by "upgrading" them. Unfortunately upgrading means killing the same sentient creatures removing their brains and implanting those brains into Cyberman armor. They can with some difficulty be convinced not to try to upgrade every single sentient creature they meet.:smalleek:
3. The Fire Nation. Any "Avatar" fan knows what they're like.
4. The Dai Li. See Fire Nation.
5. The Master. The Master is a Time Lord much like the Doctor is, but the Master is much more malicious. His powers include hypnosis and mind control. He used up all 13 of his natural incarnations and was forced to take posession of the bodies of others. His main goals are to obtain a new set of regenerations, destroy the Doctor and to become "the master of all matter".

Bring a werewolf (let's say Fenris Greyback if the Daleks, the Cyberman and the Master are also working with Voldemort) into the Avatar's world, than attack the Northern Water Tribe with him during the full moon. You can do that or have him infect some of the Fire Nation armada and the Dai Li, then have him lead a full moon raid on Northern Water Tribe.
Chance of lasting for more than six months. 76%
Increase in terror (8) and total terror (18)
Increase in casualties (5) and total casualties (14)
Increase in sheer destruction (8) and total sheer destruction (17)
Who would be able to force it? Who knows, maybe the Devil himself.

[Duke Malagigi]

Websites about the Doctor, the Daleks and the Cybermen.

Classic Doctor episode guide (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/)

9th-10th Doctor 2005 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/episodes/2005/)

10th Doctor 2006 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/episodes/2006/)

New Dalek pictures (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/daleks/index.shtml)

New Cybermen pictures (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/cybermen/index.shtml)

The Beginner's guide to Doctor Who (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/guide.shtml)

[Duke Malagigi]

If any one else wants to post that's fine.

[Neon Knight]

I prefer evil masterminds.

Kane (C&C): Kane lives in death! Seriously, Kane brings the might of the brotherhood of Nod behind him, including cyborgs and tiberium mutations. Plus, you just can't kill him! He's "died" and come back like 3 times!

Yuri (C&C Red Alert): Open your mind to Yuri. He's psychic and commands a legion of mutants, flying saucers, clones of himself, and dudes who start fires with their minds. Creepy, enigmatic, what's not to love to hate?

Dr. Breen (Half-Life 2): Now, Dr. Breen is pathetic. He's not charismatic like Kane nor psychic like Yuri. So why Breen? He brings to formidable might of the Combine Empire with him. One thing makes it worth including him: Striders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_kfZSsArCM).

[averagejoe]

I think you might be confusing Kane's survival ability with bad writing. :smalltongue:

[Neon Knight]

No, that's actually a standard villain ability. It's the old, "You've beaten me this time, but I will have revenge!" *escapes*

Kane just fakes his death when he does it.

[Mr._Blinky]

I'm trying to think of a good combo myself, but I'm surprised no one has mention the Operative from Serenity as a minion. Seriously, if you can get him to believe in your cause, you have an extremely able investigator, tracker, and assassin right there in one package, and one that is extremely loyal.

[averagejoe]

No, that's actually a standard villain ability. It's the old, "You've beaten me this time, but I will have revenge!" *escapes*

Kane just fakes his death when he does it.

Like I said, bad writing.

[Telonius]

Getting villains to work together has always been a challenge. Most of the time, the big guy has to be so bad and nasty that he puts fear into everybody else (i.e. the Emperor); or the alliance is temporary, in order to accomplish a specific goal (kill the superhero that's been annoying us all these years).

So, my list of bad guys who could work together.

Mastermind/coordinator: Lex Luthor. He has the smarts, he has the charisma, he has the experience of keeping the entire Legion of Doom from tearing each other's throats out.
Minion supply/enforcer: Count Dooku. One of the most underrated bad guys of the Star Wars saga, Dooku's only fault was that he trusted his master not to betray him - a quality that will come in handy for Lex, if the need arises.
Spy/Infiltrator: Mystique. Perfection in this area.
Mad Scientist: Going back and forth on this one; probably Otto Octavius.

[ray53208]

dooku? really?

okay, look, lets say im a minion of evil (and whos sayin' im not?) and ive been assigned to the newest cross-over axis of eeeeevil since chef boyardee teamed up with the pillsbury doughboy. i ask you: am i gonna take orders from some dweeb named DOOKU? i think not.

besides, anything from the prequels should be disqualified from entry into this because of extreme lameness.

now, pardon me, but ive got to go take a dooku.

[averagejoe]

Seriously. I mean, his name is Dooku. That just ain't kosher.

[Telonius]

dooku? really?

okay, look, lets say im a minion of evil (and whos sayin' im not?) and ive been assigned to the newest cross-over axis of eeeeevil since chef boyardee teamed up with the pillsbury doughboy. i ask you: am i gonna take orders from some dweeb named DOOKU? i think not.

besides, anything from the prequels should be disqualified from entry into this because of extreme lameness.

now, pardon me, but ive got to go take a dooku.

He wasn't just in the prequels - he was in the Clone Wars animated series as well, in which much awesomeness was had. (Honestly, after seeing that, I was even madder about what the movies could have been). Anyway, goofy names haven't stopped people like Lex Luthor, Magneto, Sauron, and Moff Tarkin from inspiring fear. (Seriously. Moff? You've got to be kidding me).

[Swordguy]

He wasn't just in the prequels - he was in the Clone Wars animated series as well, in which much awesomeness was had. (Honestly, after seeing that, I was even madder about what the movies could have been). Anyway, goofy names haven't stopped people like Lex Luthor, Magneto, Sauron, and Moff Tarkin from inspiring fear. (Seriously. Moff? You've got to be kidding me).

Moff's a title, not a name.

As for bad-ass evil teams:

Galacticus & Unicron

Sure the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force, but what about TWO planets?

Darkseid & Megatron

Hmmm...insane God-like intellect and a forge world combined with uber-advanced transporting robots? Score!

Cthulhu & Godzilla

How cool would THAT movie be? MiskaTokyo University is DOOMED!

Oops, gotta get back to work.

[averagejoe]

He wasn't just in the prequels - he was in the Clone Wars animated series as well, in which much awesomeness was had. (Honestly, after seeing that, I was even madder about what the movies could have been). Anyway, goofy names haven't stopped people like Lex Luthor, Magneto, Sauron, and Moff Tarkin from inspiring fear. (Seriously. Moff? You've got to be kidding me).

Lex really is a name, though. There really isn't much goofy about most of those names. I suppose you could make the case for Magneto, but not to the degree of Dooku. That name just has an overabundance of oo sounds, which tend to be much more humorous. It makes you want to say, Doooookuuuu. That double "o" should just be stayed away from if you want to be taken seriously.

[Telonius]

Moff's a title, not a name.


I know, but still, it's a stupid-sounding title. What was the Emperor thinking? He could have made it something decent like "Regent," "Prince," or even "Warlord" or "High Commander," but no. Moff.

Lex is a name, but it sounds like it belongs on either a woman or a creepy 70's-looking guy with a moustache. Sauron - what happened, did you try to eat a lemon? Magneto - your power doesn't even match your name. You move metal, not create electricity.

[Swordguy]

I know, but still, it's a stupid-sounding title. What was the Emperor thinking? He could have made it something decent like "Regent," "Prince," or even "Warlord" or "High Commander," but no. Moff.

Well, they never used "Moff" in the dialogue, only the credits. He was referred to as "governor tarkin" throughout the film.

Although I'm not disagreeing that those are less-than-fear-inspiring names

[sun_tzu]

Overlord (well, overlady): Hazel Green, from the webcomic "CRFH". Very smart, very ruthless, highly charismatic, and can work with others despite being quite evil.

Strategic Advisor: Grand Admiral Thrawn. Arguably the smartest military leader of all fiction, and his men would follow him to the death if need be.

Field Commander: Deathstroke the Terminator. Smart, a meta-human fighter, and brilliant tactician.
Or Bun-Bun from "Sluggy Freelance. Either works.

Intelligence Officer: Vermouth, from "Detective Conan"/"Case Closed". Ruthless, devious, and very talented.
(I considered Light Yagami of "Death Note" for the role, but he'd probably end up betraying the others. Might actually succeed, too.)

Assassin: Gin, also from "Detective Conan"/"Case Closed". Guy's the most ruthless and efficient killer I've seen in all of fiction.

[LCR]

Where is HK-47?? He would give those meatbags a good kickin' ...

Still, even if Lex Luthor, Darth Vader, the Emperor, Khan and a borg-assimilated Alien queen worked together, they'd still be beaten by the little boy (girl/hobbit/last jedi whatsoever) that could.

[J_Muller]

Strategic Advisor: Grand Admiral Thrawn. Arguably the smartest military leader of all fiction, and his men would follow him to the death if need be.


Plus he's got the power of cloning on his side.

[averagejoe]

Where is HK-47?? He would give those meatbags a good kickin' ...

I almost put him, but I thought it would be bad form to do two Star Wars guys in one group, and the terminator made him a little redundant. And, let's face it, while HK is more amusing, the terminator is more functional.

And this is true. Villains in large groups are just as fallible as villains alone. Plus, whenever villains get together, they always have this lame get together thing with the heros as well.

[Haruspex]

I think this combo has a better chance of sticking together than most.

The Boss - Doctor Doom (Marvel): He's got a country (complete with minions), magic powers, technology, and he's pretty smart to boot.

The Hit Man - Boba Fett (from the novels): He's got skills, a space ship, custom gear, and doesn't care about ideology or ethics. Make sure he gets paid though.

The Muscle - Bane (DC): A fair combination of brains and brawn.

The Scientist - Fabius Bile (Warhammer 40,000): Another free agent, just give him what he needs and he can make some messed up **** for you. Supersoldiers to order.

The Big Gun - Smaug (The Hobbit): Just make sure you keep that patch covered.

[Duke Malagigi]

How about this gem? Find the village that Lee (the young boy Zuko protected) lives in then send in a invasion force of Fire Nation troops and Cybermen to find the young boy. Afterwards have the Cybermen "upgrade" Lee just incase Zuko turns against the Fire Nation government. Then use newly created Cyberman/Lee to attack and demoralize Zuko if he turns on you.

You could also rustle up the Master and get him to hypnotize and mentally dominate Zuko's girlfriend into attacking the prince. Or better yet (for evilly aligned characters) the Master can threaten to force Zuko's girlfriend to slit her throat in front of the prince unless he surrenders. Try those on for size. He’d work wonders for the Dai Li.

As for dealing with Sokka, kidnap Suki let the Master use mind control on her then use her to spy on and betray the Avatar and his friends. Nothing like using an evil Time Lord to subcontract your dirty work, eh? Of course there is one thing (make that person) that can foul up these plans. The Doctor himself. You could however use the kids in a baited trap for him. He could still escape with youngsters and their pets in tow (Aang, Sokka, Toph, Katara and ect.), but it would be difficult.

You could also threaten a small town like Kyoshi with extermination by the Daleks in bid to conquer it. Just command one of the Daleks to kill a handful of civilians and you're set.

[Shadow of the Sun]

Dooku doesn't have to use his name, he could use his title: Darth Tyranus. Much cooler

[Duke Malagigi]

I think this combo has a better chance of sticking together than most.

The Boss - Doctor Doom (Marvel): He's got a country (complete with minions), magic powers, technology, and he's pretty smart to boot.

The Hit Man - Boba Fett (from the novels): He's got skills, a space ship, custom gear, and doesn't care about ideology or ethics. Make sure he gets paid though.

The Muscle - Bane (DC): A fair combination of brains and brawn.

The Scientist - Fabius Bile (Warhammer 40,000): Another free agent, just give him what he needs and he can make some messed up **** for you. Supersoldiers to order.

The Big Gun - Smaug (The Hobbit): Just make sure you keep that patch covered.

The all seem interesting, and frightening, but I have one question for you. What combined tactics would they use? Just want to know.

[Duke Malagigi]

I have an idea. Link to any site that can help you explain the villains you use and what fiction universe they come from. That way we’ll be better able to understand the background and personality of the villains you choose.

[NecroPaladin]

Modeled after Haruspex (I'll link pages later):

The Boss - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (007): The villain with it all and nemesis to Bond, he's successfully turned SPECTRE into the greatest criminal empire that was ever not-made-from-things-with-the-prefix-"space." He's insidious, he thinks fifteen steps ahead, and he puts booby traps in EVERYTHING.

The Hit Man - Dracula: If you're using the historical version, he killed enough people to fill a forest. If you're using the fictional version, more than that, and he drank their blood. He has powers, no mercy, immunity to all weapons but a wooden stake (and I'm sure sinister could give him some kinda potion, or Kroenen could give him a spare clockwork breastplate, to fix that), and above all he's civil, romantic, and looks nothing of a villain until it's far too late. Perhaps the best choice of hit man possible, if the others could prove that they weren't wasting his time (of course, if he tried to feast on them, Kroenen would probably be the first in the fray and his body is filled with dust and gears, negating feeding oppurtunity).

The Muscle - Karl Ruprecht Kroenen (Film Version. The comic version is an unremarkable side character) (Hellboy): Every aspect of intimidating: A fascist who wears full regalia and never shows an inch of skin through his mask. If that doesn't get you out of the way quickly, maybe his whirling arm blades, clockwork-augmented strength and agility, or total invulnerability will. His only weakness is that he needs to be wound up like a toy marching soldier.

The Scientist - Nathaniel Essex, aka Mister Sinister (Marvel): Not only is he an immortal who can hold his own in a fight, he also has a century of experience in genetics without any legal restraints. I mean, the man makes super-clones. Any self respecting supervillain league would kill for super-clones.

The Big Gun - Imhotep (The Mummy): See, the only problems with a guy who can control the biblical plagues, every element, life and death, the senses, all other biological functions of the body and can't die without the help of obscure artifacts and a gung-ho American (and that's only when he doesn't have allies)...AND is an expert fighter and has superpowers and can alter all matter around his tomb, living, dead, or inanimate, with a whim and has minions almost as invulnerable as him who strike hard enough with one hand to shatter stone...what was I talking about? Ah yes, the hard part would be get him to stop once you kick open that crypt.

The civility of Sinister, Blofeld, and Kroenen (as well as the fact that they're all the Europe-of-a-bygone-age type) would mean that there would be little or no misunderstandings, and the three would work well together. Dracula fits into the same niche, but he would be harder to trust and/or keep track of, as he is a loner type, unlike Blofeld's mastermind, Kroenen's bodyguard, and even to an extent Sinister's "evil advisor." Should everything pan out, they'd have the best criminal mind commanding leagues of bioengineered soldiers, not to mention two unkillable partners, one magic and one technological (this would negate a hero taking them both out with the same type of weapon). And if it got really bad, to the point of where Blofeld or Sinister were threatened, Kroenen could hold the assailants off while Dracula went to activate Imhotep (Kroenen and Blofeld, judgeing by the time period, should be plenty familiar with the Middle East, and Dracula would probably be able to detect the dark magic of the tomb anyway). And if it got even worse, and Blofeld bit it, and he couldn't be made into a vampire before he died or reactivated by Kroenen's tinkering, Sinister is a capable enough mastermind to either assume his position or clone him with as much residual brainpower as possible.

I call it "The villains that just won't die" team.

[Duke Malagigi]

Modeled after Haruspex (I'll link pages later):

The Boss - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (007): The villain with it all and nemesis to Bond, he's successfully turned SPECTRE into the greatest criminal empire that was ever not-made-from-things-with-the-prefix-"space." He's insidious, he thinks fifteen steps ahead, and he puts booby traps in EVERYTHING.

The Hit Man - Dracula: If you're using the historical version, he killed enough people to fill a forest. If you're using the fictional version, more than that, and he drank their blood. He has powers, no mercy, immunity to all weapons but a wooden stake (and I'm sure sinister could give him some kinda potion, or Kroenen could give him a spare clockwork breastplate, to fix that), and above all he's civil, romantic, and looks nothing of a villain until it's far too late. Perhaps the best choice of hit man possible, if the others could prove that they weren't wasting his time (of course, if he tried to feast on them, Kroenen would probably be the first in the fray and his body is filled with dust and gears, negating feeding oppurtunity).

The Muscle - Karl Ruprecht Kroenen (Film Version. The comic version is an unremarkable side character) (Hellboy): Every aspect of intimidating: A fascist who wears full regalia and never shows an inch of skin through his mask. If that doesn't get you out of the way quickly, maybe his whirling arm blades, clockwork-augmented strength and agility, or total invulnerability will. His only weakness is that he needs to be wound up like a toy marching soldier.

The Scientist - Nathaniel Essex, aka Mister Sinister (Marvel): Not only is he an immortal who can hold his own in a fight, he also has a century of experience in genetics without any legal restraints. I mean, the man makes super-clones. Any self respecting supervillain league would kill for super-clones.

The Big Gun - Imhotep (The Mummy): See, the only problems with a guy who can control the biblical plagues, every element, life and death, the senses, all other biological functions of the body and can't die without the help of obscure artifacts and a gung-ho American (and that's only when he doesn't have allies)...AND is an expert fighter and has superpowers and can alter all matter around his tomb, living, dead, or inanimate, with a whim and has minions almost as invulnerable as him who strike hard enough with one hand to shatter stone...what was I talking about? Ah yes, the hard part would be get him to stop once you kick open that crypt.

The civility of Sinister, Blofeld, and Kroenen (as well as the fact that they're all the Europe-of-a-bygone-age type) would mean that there would be little or no misunderstandings, and the three would work well together. Dracula fits into the same niche, but he would be harder to trust and/or keep track of, as he is a loner type, unlike Blofeld's mastermind, Kroenen's bodyguard, and even to an extent Sinister's "evil advisor." Should everything pan out, they'd have the best criminal mind commanding leagues of bioengineered soldiers, not to mention two unkillable partners, one magic and one technological (this would negate a hero taking them both out with the same type of weapon). And if it got really bad, to the point of where Blofeld or Sinister were threatened, Kroenen could hold the assailants off while Dracula went to activate Imhotep (Kroenen and Blofeld, judjing by the time period, should be plenty familiar with the Middle East, and Dracula would probably be able to detect the dark magic of the tomb anyway). And if it got even worse, and Blofeld bit it, and he couldn't be made into a vampire before he died or reactivated by Kroenen's tinkering, Sinister is a capable enough mastermind to either assume his position or clone him with as much residual brainpower as possible.

I call it "The villains that just won't die" team.

Hah, hah. I love it. Perfect villains in my opinion, if you're looking for evil geniuses of course. I'd truly feel sorry for any poor hero who has to go up against either your villains, my villains or Haruspex's villains working together. Or worse yet an alliance of all three groups! You'd have heroes from different fiction universes joining forces simply to protect themselves. By the way, I sympathize much more with the heroes than I do with the villains.

[Wippit Guud]

The Boss - Boba Fett (Star Wars Universe): Forget the movies, read the novels. Fett is always one step ahead of the competition, and can plan things out to have access to them years in advance. He has the brains to accomplish what he wants, and the skill to put his plans into action.

The Hit Man - Predator Hunter (Predator): Combat evolved, warrior trained. A predator brings both the skills for do the job, and the tools necessary to do it. Plasma weapons, cloaking shields, enhanced strength and speed, high explosives when necessary - give him the job, and he'll do it or die trying.

The Muscle - The Kurgan (Highlander): Strong, skilled, and has the added bonus of being immortal. Useful ability for a htman to have.

The Mad Scientist - Victor Frankenstein (no source needed): Well, of course! What better person to have than someone who can create a creature from spare parts like the Frankenstein monster? With the right financial backing (like Fett would have) and the right person to lead them (like The Kurgan), think of what an army of these guys can do? Thanks, Vic!

The Big Gun - Onslaught (Marvel universe): 'Nuff said.

[sun_tzu]

The Mad Scientist - Victor Frankenstein (no source needed): Well, of course! What better person to have than someone who can create a creature from spare parts like the Frankenstein monster? With the right financial backing (like Fett would have) and the right person to lead them (like The Kurgan), think of what an army of these guys can do? Thanks, Vic!
Victor Frankenstein?
He wasn't exactly villainous...

[Wippit Guud]

Victor Frankenstein?
He wasn't exactly villainous...

Should read "Dean Koontz's: Frankenstein". Books 1 and 2 out now. 3 is way overdue. Takes place in modern day. Vic was able to prolong his life, and he's gotten a bit more... evil.

In any case, most interpretations shows Frankenstein to... if not be evil, to be misunderstood and taken for evil.

[NecroPaladin]

If you're using that interpretation, the modern day Dr. Jekyll is also quite evil. And he fills the scientist and brute roles simultaneously. I was very tempted to make him my scientist. But I like to keep characters as the originals, so instead I just went with Sinister. Not to mention Jekyll is a bit less composed than Sinister despite his dual roles.

And Jekyll doesn't make superclones. And that just disregards him entirely. :smallsmile:

[Duke Malagigi]

Please comment on this thread. Any ideas you come up with are fine by me. Just bring up an idea for discussion.

[J_Muller]

The Boss: Achilles (Ender's Shadow series, Orson Scott Card). One of the most charismatic men ever, as well as one of the most intelligent. Can outwit any conceivable opponent who isn't genetically modified to be super-smart. Is a master strategist and planner. Only drawback is his psychotic compulsion to kill anyone who sees him at a time when he is weak.

The Hit Man: Boba Fett, for reasons already stated.

The Muscle: Vandal Savage. Immortal, need I say more?

The Mad Scientist: Fabius Bile.

The Big Gun: Galactus. The biggest of guns there ever was. Just keep him away from where you are.

[chionophile]

Alliances forged in hell? Jim Halpert and Dwight Shrute.

[Dunxco]

John Irenicus: If you don't know this guy, go play Baldurs Gate II, you owe yourself that much...

Magneto: So much metal, so much fun to be had...

Albert Wesker: Super fast, will undercut anyone to get ahead himself, and an awesome haircut.

And lastly...

Dr. Eggman: Because when all else fails, a giant robot won't.

[sun_tzu]

The previous alliance I posted was designed around the idea of "competent villains who wouldn't stab each other in the back 24/7". This one is more along the line of "competent villains who'll manipulate the hell out of everyone and conquer the world without anyone ever figuring out they exist":

The planner: Light Yagami, from "Death Note". This guy is quite possibly the smartest schemer in all of fiction. Seriously, he's blood-chillingly effective.

The manipulator: Trudy Trueheart, from "GPF". An excellent plotter in her own right - not every marketing executive can become a threat to the free world.

The cosmic: The Sovereign of Sorrow from "Captain SNES". I mean, a being powerful and manipulative enough that, even broken and crippled, she can become a multiversal threat on the level of the Anti-Monitor? The ability to control people through their sorrow? Spooky...And effective.

The downside, of course, is that these guys wouldn't have much reasons to trust each other.

[Illiterate Scribe]

The Bosses - The Auditors of Reality (Discworld): While they keep getting thwarted by Death (who wouldn't?), and can't use the word 'I', their single minded determination to reduce the universe to order would make them fairly powerful.

The Infiltrator - Nina Myers (24) - Very, very cool customer. Only killed by going up against Jack Bauer (and, let's face it, the Bauer mortality field gets to everyone in the end), she was fairly tough (could get up 20 minutes after having a carotid artery sewn up) and could almost always maneuver herself into a position where you couldn't kill her.

The Hacker - L. Bob Rife. (Snow Crash) What with his 1337 mind-hackin' skillz (show you a bitmap, and you die!), his massive global media network, and the fact that he is very zealous and creepy, and you've got yourself one nasty techie.

The Wild Card - B.O.B / The Man from Another Place (Twin Peaks) : While his treatment of Wyndham Earle was clear evidence that this one will quite obviously stab you in the back and enjoy it, he brings unimaginable extradimensional horror on a more subtle and less '1d6 investigators per round' manner. You can lock yourself up, cut off your arm, do everything to escape him - but he will still be there. Rosenthal said he was 'the embodiment of the evil that men do' - I think that fits the bill.

Need some muscle, though. Ideas?

[Duke Malagigi]

How about this large and rather frightning team. Haruspex's picks, Necropaladin's picks, my picks and some new evil little buggers.

Admiral Zhao

Long Feng

The Dalek God-Emperor

The Cyber Planner

The Master: The Master is a Time Lord much like the Doctor is but the Master is much more malicious. His powers include hypnosis and mind control. He used up all 13 of his natural incarnations and was forced to take posession of the bodies of others. His main goals are to obtain a new set of regenerations, destroy the Doctor and to become "the master of all matter".

John Lumec, aka the paralel Earth Cyber Planner

Doctor Doom

Boba Fett

Bane

Fabius Bile

Smaug

Ernst Stavro Blofeld

Dracula

Karl Ruprecht Kroenen

Nathaniel Essex, aka Mister Sinister

Imhotep

Terry Benidict: Ruthless, intelligent, dicsiplined and machinelike in precision and timing. At the same time he is charming, personable and elegant in natrue. He dosen't just kneecap people, he destroys your lively hood and the livellyhood of everyone else you that you have know since age six that he can find.

Sergeant Obidiah Hakeswill (Sharpe) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Hakeswill)

Brig. General Loup (Sharpe): He's a French general and commander of the Loup Or "Wolf" Brigade. To him the main aim of warfare is to cause terror in the hearts of your enemies. Therefore you must be, according to his views, more terrible and horrible than your enemy. Brigadier Loup so far has ordered rape, infanticide, torture, the killing of unarmed civillians and the looting and pillaging of villages.

Colonel Leroux (Sharpe): He's a twisted, cruel and demented sadist. He uses his medical and anatomical knowledge to torture captured enemy troops into betraying their own countries. Leroux's practices are so abominable that he no longer qualifies as a doctor, much less a human being.

The Sheriff of Nottingham (from BBC's Robin Hood): The Sheriff is a cruel, vicsious and petty man. He uses a combination of torture, bribery and simply framing Robin for crimes the Sheriff himself or others have commited. He is also rather clever and devious. He is both a manipulator and a hands on villain.

Sir Guy of Gisborne (also from BBC's Robin Hood): The Sheriff's chief enforcer and an intelligent and sadistic man in his own right.

[Duke Malagigi]

Does anyone want to take whack at these guys? Anyone?

[Tor the Fallen]

What of the Crawling Chaos and Morgoth?
No love for immortal evil?

Also, Hellraiser.

[Duke Malagigi]

They could perhaps be in league with various devils such as Asmodeus and his fellow Lords of Hell. So here's my list for this morally challenged lot and their diabolical patrons. Note, I'm using the Dicefreaks list, not the Wizards of the Coast list.

1. Bael, Warlord of Avernus and Master of the Infernal Gates. As the infernal patron of war and state sponsored hatred, brutality, genocide, wrath, ethnic cleansing and war crimes, he would only have the most brutal and fanatical commanders and warriors in his ranks of followers.
Followers:
Admiral Zhao
Fire Lord Ozai (or serving Asmodeus)
The Dalek God-Emperor
Smaug
Vlad Dracula
Karl Ruprecht Kroenen
Brig. General Loup
Fenrir Greyback (if Lawful)
General Zod

2. Dispater, Arch-Duke of Dis and the Potentate of the Iron City. Being a paranoid despot who controls, at the behest and pleasure of his master, the universes largest command economy to date, the Iron Archduke would select those closet in philosophy and thought to him as possible to serve him. After all, if no realizes that they’re slaves, can you call it slavery?
Followers:
John Lumec, aka the parallel Earth Cyber Planner
The Cyber Planner
The Master (either that or serving Leviathan, Mephisopheles or Asmodeus, could go either way)
Terry Benedict (or Mammon)
Doyle Lonnegan (from The Sting)
Don Vito Corleone

3. Mammon, Arch-Duke of Minauros and the Marquis of Avarice. For all intents and purposes Mammon is a thief, con artist, embezzler and dishonest carny with cosmic power and a desire for greater dominance and authority. His followers hail from such professions as tax collecting, investment banking (like Dispater), bookkeeping and accounting for businesses, charities and governments as well as owning and operating casinos.
Followers:
Terry Benedict (or Dispater)
The Sheriff of Nottingham
Marshall Calvet (Sharpe villain)

4. Belial, Arch-Duke of Phlegethos and the Master of Pains and Suffering. As the sadistic and perverted spirit that he is, Belial would wish to see in his servants the same viciousness, cruelty, will to dominate, authoritarianism and obsession with sex as the Lord of the Fourth himself possess.
Followers:
Colonel Leroux (Sharpe villain)
Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin
Charles Manson
(Okay, Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin and Charles Manson are real-life figures, but just ignore with fact for a while, just think about how well they would work with the other villains.)

5. Leviathan, Arch-Duke of Stygia and Prince of Wantonness. Treachery, treason, opportunism, unhealthy ambition and envy are held as virtues by this great infernal sea-beast. He looks for the restless, ruthless and unrelenting to teach his ways.
Followers:
Sir Guy of Gisborne
The Master (either that or serving Dispater, Mephisopheles or Asmodeus, could go either way)
The Emperor (or serving Asmodeus)

6. Lillith, Arch-Duchess of Malbolge, Queen of Desolation and Countess of Malbolge. The natural order is not good enough, says the Dark Goddess herself. Nature as of now does little to shape or mold society and leaves them irregular and non-uniform. To reshape society into the mold of Perdition, one must first reshape nature to follow the form of the Inferno. Both men and children are seen as nothing more than tools. Men are seduced and either killed an replaced you or their children, used as pawns or manipulated into doing your bidding. Children are at best useful predecessors, acolytes, pawns or follows, and at worst nuisances to either be drowned or have their heads crushed with a rock.
Followers:
Anck Su Namun
The Blood Countess Elizabeth Bathory

7. Beelzebub, Arch-Duke of Maladomini, Lord of the Flies. Perfection, order, purity and obedience are the watchwords and ideals of the Lord of the Flies and those who follow him. This according to his philosophy, requires absolute transparency from citizens toward their leaders, which to Beelzebub and his followers include domestic espionage, and a significant lack thereof from the government. Such governmental opacity and domestic espionage causes no trouble for the Father of Lies and those who follow him.
Followers:
Long Feng
Agent Smith

8. Mephisopheles, Arch-Duke of Cania and Lord of Loss. Science, knowledge and information. To the Arch-Duke of Cania and his philosophers all these things are to be used to benefit of the State, for only State, the collective Will, can put such things to use and not waste them. Knowledge and service of the State or the control of it are to be pursued at all costs, even if it would mean the destruction of the universe its self. Such concepts as ethics and morality are considered quaint, outdated, irrelevant or meaningless by Mephistopheles and his followers.
Followers:
Doctor Doom
Fabius Bile (if Lawful Evil)
Ernst Stavro Blofeld
Nathaniel Essex, aka Mister Sinister
The Master (either that or serving Dispater, Leviathan or Asmodeus, could go either way)

9. Asmodeus, The Devil and The Overlord of Hell. As the supreme ruler of Hell he uses the tactics of all of his subordinates, to varying degrees based upon the situation. In addition he has influence in many organized religions and Apocalyptic or dominating cults alike. He can appeal both to reason and emotion, often at the same times.
Followers:
Imhotep
The Master (either that or serving Dispater, Leviathan or Mephisopheles, could go either way)
Fire Lord Ozai (or serving Bael)
The Emperor (or serving Leviathan)

So, the question is, how would our heroes deal with the likes of these villains and their diabolical masters?

Also what fiendish masters would these poor excuses for human beings be associated with?

Boba Fett

Bane

Sergeant Obidiah Hakeswill (Sharpe)

[Arang]

The Boss: Randall Flagg (Stephen King's universes): He broke civilization. More than once.

The Lieutentant: Magneto (X-Men): Comic book version. We're talking about a criminal mastermind who's pretty much invincible, capable of lifting 500 tons and flying.

The Hit Man: Agent Smith (The Matrix): Pinpoint accuracy with a powerful weapon, literally as strong and fast as a human can be, and in non-existant sequels, he can fly and is everyone. Also completely ruthless, fearless, and singleminded.

The Mad Scientist: Dr. Otto Wolfgang Ort-Meyer (Hitman games): He made dozens of perfect soldiers, and with the right funding, which he undoubtedly could get, he could make thousands more. Basically the ideal source for unlimited henchmen, providing Smith can't handle it.

The Muscle: Kefka (Final Fantasy 6): Not really a musculous type, but he was practiacally a god by the end. I would not want to go up against him if I were a hero.

The Equipment Monkey: Dr. Doom (Pretty much everything ever released): He has a country of his own and diplomatic immunity. There shouldn't be anything he couldn't get.

[Duke Malagigi]

I've added three new villains to my list. Please tell me what you think about them. One is historical (Elizabeth Bathory) and two are fictional (Fenrir Greyback from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, and Doyle Lonnegan from The Sting).

[Arang]

That's Fenrir Greyback, actually. At least it was in my version. Good choice in other case, even though I have no idea who the other two are.

[Duke Malagigi]

IMDb- The Sting. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070735/)
The Blood Countess Elizabeth Bathory on Crime Library. (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/bathory/countess_1.html#continue)

[Duke Malagigi]

That's Fenrir Greyback, actually. At least it was in my version. Good choice in other case, even though I have no idea who the other two are.

Thank you for the correction.

[Duke Malagigi]

I've just added Fire Lord Ozai to the list.

[Tobaselly]

General Zod, The Emperor, Agent Smith.

The Emperor heads the villianous organization, Zod provides the muscle and Smith provides the minions.

[Haruspex]

The all seem interesting, and frightening, but I have one question for you. What combined tactics would they use? Just want to know.

Sorry for not responding sooner.

First of all, only Bane will be openly working for Doctor Doom. As an criminal advisor, bodyguard, or whatever. Bane can easily tear through any Latverians who don't agree with Doom. From his base in Latveria Doom will spin plans of multiple layers, using Boba Fett to eliminate those that get too close (and in most universes, someone will always get too close). Fabius Bile will spend most of his time hidden in Latveria working on his next best supersoldier concoction. This can be either sold to other villians (unstable versions) or used for Doom's troops (stable versions). Doom's access to sorcery will work in his favour here. Smaug will be the ace in the hole. Doom shouldn't have trouble finding a nice lair for the dragon complete with riches. A good plan will be to have Smaug attack random countries and have the "benevolent Doctor Doom" save the day by chasing the evil dragon away. This way Doom gets to build up trust among the citizens of the world. If his enemies get killed in the dragon's rampage, even better.

[Om]

Terry BenedictThe casino owner? :smallconfused:

[Duke Malagigi]

The casino owner? :smallconfused:

Why not? He's the master of casino security, which can also be applied to any villain's liar. The security system of the movie Bellagio, Mirage and MGM Grand rivals that of much of the world's nuclear weapons silos. Of course it only took 11 thieves to break in and steal over $160,000,000 without getting caught that doesn't say anything good about our protection of nuclear weapon silos in real life or the movies. Because of this security fiasco Benedict would become paranoid (just not visibly paranoid) and would be forced to adopt even greater security measures. This would make it harder for Ocean and his men to infiltrate said headquarters and impossible for one else to even get close. That and he can net the bad guys a few extra coin along with the Sheriff.

[Om]

Why not?Well because he's a casino owner. That's like suggesting that you put the guy who designed Fort Knox security up there with all these villians. With a Duke of Hell no less.

[zeratul]

Mehlkor - like sauron but better!, melkor was saurons leader
illidan - commanded both blood elves, and the naga imagine them fighting alongside melkhors werewolves, dragons, and vampires
sephiroth - one word, meteor.
proteus(from x-men ) - the ability to change anything in reality at will, im sorry sir but i turned you into a turducken, now ima eat you!

[sun_tzu]

http://eou.comicgenesis.com/: Evil Overlords United.
Thought it could be relevant, though these guys are still new...

[Shadow of the Sun]

Kefka. He doesn't need anyone else, what with being a god and all.

[Bearofbadnews]

Ra's al Ghul leads a sinister group made up of The Joker, Hannibal Lecter, HAL 9000, and Dr. Moriarty.
Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar from Gaiman's Neverwhere provide support.

I figure this is best put together to fulfill a short term goal (kill batman, or whatever). I say Ra's al Ghul is the only person I can think of who could control this group even that long.

[Maryring]

Anything involving Sailor Chaos/Galaxia is a team bound to win. Any person managing to kill almost every single person in the entire galaxy is bound to be dangerous.

[Duke Malagigi]

Well because he's a casino owner. That's like suggesting that you put the guy who designed Fort Knox security up there with all these villians. With a Duke of Hell no less.

Well, as Ruben Triskoff says, "If you're gonna steal from Terry Benedict, you'd better goddamn KNOW. This sorta thing used to be civilized, you'd hit a guy, he'd whack you, done. But with Benedict... at the end of this, he'd BETTER not know you're involved, not know your names or think you're dead because he'll kill ya, and then he'll go to work on ya."

Brutal, efficiant and organized. Why wouldn't Dispater want some like that as a follower. I'm also adding General Zod, Agent Smith, the Emperor and Don Vito Corleone.

[Habzial]

I'm going with an obscurely-referenced, magic-heavy alliance, myself.

The Boss: Lo Pan (Big Trouble in Little China), who in addition to being one of the coolest looking villains also had the advantage of being immortal. He commanded the loyalty of a number of supernatural beings, in addition to his personal army of martial artists.

The Second in Command: Harry Bordon (Cast A Deadly Spell) would handle the mob connections, money laundering, and public business front. His advantages are being played by Clancey Brown, possessing a startling array of spells, and commanding a respectable number of large, Haitian zombies (they come in 6-packs, you know). The only disadvantages are he's not the brightest crime boss ever, and he's totally driven by greed mixed with an inferiority complex.

Chief Enforcer: John Bly (The Adventures of Brisco County Jr) who while not technically magical, did possess superhuman abilities that (among other things) made him impossible to shoot. Between these, his ability to retain the loyalty of other criminals, his intelligence, his ruthlessness, and future knowledge as a result of time travelling from thousands of years in the future, he's also wholly reliable. Given the promise of additional power, he wouldn't try screwing Lo Pan over.

The Main Army: Universal Brotherhood (Shadowrun), a charity organization which exists to bilk people of their money before infesting them with insect spirits and turning them into monster-like slaves. They'd add a significant source of income, spies, soldiers, and magic assets. They could easily be recruited in exchange for protection from exposure, or possibly just to limit their enemies.

Lesser Grunts: The Idea Men, The Evil Midnight Bomber That Bombs At Midnight, and the Ottoman Empress (The Tick cartoon) would all make ideal distractions/thugs, depending on what the situation called for. With the exception of the Ottoman Empress, they're basically useless, ineffective, and draw attention to themselves. In the case of the Ottoman Empress, she's too easily distracted and bat**** insane to depend upon, but otherwise would be the most powerful Tick villain ever... despite having the dubious-sounding power of controlling furniture. They could all be easily bought off since they do evil mostly for the sake of doing it anyways.

[Om]

Brutal, efficiant and organized. Why wouldn't Dispater want some like that as a follower.Well I was going to say that this would be akin to adding a common mafioso to the roster... but I see you've done just that :smallbiggrin: