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Starsinger
2007-06-15, 03:50 PM
I'm playing in a gestalt game soon, and I'm looking for a second half for my Dragonfire Adept, which is being reflavored, so fluff bits on second halves can be ignored. :smallbiggrin: So I'm looking for something that'll be fun, and mesh sort of well with my Dragonfire Adept abilities. For those unfamiliar with the class, it's presented here in excerpt form. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060912a&page=

Thanks in advance!

Fax Celestis
2007-06-15, 04:00 PM
I would recommend any of the following: Totemist, Spellthief, Psychic Warrior, Bard, Factotum.

Each of these will broaden your versatility, though in different ways.

Starsinger
2007-06-15, 04:05 PM
Spellthief and Factotum are a bit too complex for me to sell to the DM, I guess I should have mentioned that it's an online game. Likewise, Totemist uses Incarnum right? I have no idea about Incarnum.. I flipped through the book once, and was kind of lost.

Fax Celestis
2007-06-15, 04:06 PM
Incarnum is a bit complex--until you get it.

Another option would be Crusader or Warblade.

Ramza00
2007-06-15, 04:11 PM
Factotum, at lvl 8 you get multiple standard actions due to Cunning Surge. You can use Cunning Surge multiple times per round only limit is your inspiration points. Since Dragonfire Adept is already a "battlefield control expert" (due to its solid fog invocation and its slow breath). Might as well use cast those and then use those other standard actions to do damage.

Combines well with this new feat.

Font of Inspiration

You have unearthed of well of inspiration from within your soul.

Prerequisite: Int 15, Must have Inspiration as a class feature.

Benefits: When you take this feat for the first time, you gain 1 inspiration point.

Special: You can take this multiple times. Each time you take this feat after the first time, the number of inspiration points you gain increases by 1 (for example, you gain 2 inspiration points if you take the feat a second time). The maximum number of times you can take this feat is equal to your Intelligence modifier.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070606
Factotums were already great with gestalt, this feat though gives them a major power boost in normal play or gestalt. Take the feat multiple times (be a human, and take it again and again.)

Or A Sorcerer/Swiftblade also works great, use haste as a swift action and get an extra standard action due to the swiftblade abilities.

Or a Paladin and/or Hexblade for the saves.

New Dragonfire Adept Handbook http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=780301
Old Dragonfire Adept Handbook http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=751632
Preliminary Dragonfire Adept Handbook
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=713902

Factotum Handbook
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=866086

Swiftblade Handbook
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=859073
Swiftblade is located online here
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp%3Fx%3Ddnd/prc/20070327

Edit: Argh you said no to factotums when I was writting this post, I will keep the old advice though. I recommend the Swiftblade then.

Factotum is easy to understand though for new DMs. Incarnum seems hard at first.

Incarnum summed up. You have two things with Incarnum soulmelds and charka binds. Soulmelds just glow over the items, Charka binds take an item spot, when you do a Charka bind you also retain the Soulmeld. You also gain essentia which you can invest in Soulmelds which make your Soulmelds more powerful, you can only invest so much essentia into a soulmeld per HD, though feats and incarnum classes allow you to invest more essentia than normal.

Quirinus_Obsidian
2007-06-15, 04:13 PM
Incarnum is a bit complex--until you get it.

Another option would be Crusader or Warblade.

My vote is for Warblade; with White Raven and Stone Dragon disciplines. That would be a great compliment to the Dragonfire Adept. Also get some of the funnier Breath effects and feats; I personally like Empower Breath and Lingering Breath... .

Ramza00
2007-06-15, 04:16 PM
Also look up the breath effects in Races of the Dragon. Lingering breath (if I recall the name right) is really nice, use it with your slow effect, it works, slow for 2 rounds instead of 1.

You can also combine Venomfire (from Serpent Kingdoms) for a big damage boost. Will need a cleric or druid on the other side.

Fax Celestis
2007-06-15, 04:30 PM
Another option is to go Sorceror on your other side and take a bunch of those breath-weapon only spells.

Starsinger
2007-06-15, 04:41 PM
Thanks for all the useful input so far guys! This is all very helpful :smallsmile:

Ramza00
2007-06-15, 05:30 PM
Another option is to go Sorceror on your other side and take a bunch of those breath-weapon only spells.

Not horrible, but not really good. Energy Admixture Breath Weapon which doubles your damage is a 9th lvl spell if I recall.

Also what is your new avatar supposed to be? Do you make your own or does someone else do it?

Fax Celestis
2007-06-15, 05:32 PM
Also what is your new avatar supposed to be? Do you make your own or does someone else do it?

It's Inner Animal week! So, it's my Ililani avatar, redone as a frog (my inner animal) by Alarra.

The ones in my sig have their artist's names attached.

sleeping fishy
2007-06-15, 06:34 PM
...your inner animal is a frog??

Starsinger
2007-06-15, 06:36 PM
I was thinking, maybe Warlock instead of Dragonfire Adept, and going for Enlightened Spirit, with the second half being a Paladin (of Freedom, since Warlocks can't be LG). And since Enlightened Spirit gives me permament death ward, and Aura of Courage, I really don't lose much over a standard paladin. Thoughts? Suggestions? Criticism?

Ramza00
2007-06-15, 06:54 PM
Warlock and Enlightened Spirit do stack you know in Gestalt. ES is a Damage Boost and not a progression of EB damage (also its a little faster progression than normal Warlock.)

Thus a Warlock 20//X 10/Enlightened Spirit 10 works giving 14d6 eldritch blast damage just due to class levels.

Also see if you can get your dm to adapt Hellfire Warlock into Celesital Warlock or something.

There is also the Dragon prc in RotD that progresses skirmish by 2d6 out of 5 levels, as well as giving you 3/5 sorcerer spellcasting. Might be good for the other 5 lvls if you can't do hellfire warlock. Need skirmish before hand. Also take the improved skirmish feat and some levels of scout.

Starsinger
2007-06-15, 07:04 PM
SO... Warlock 15//Paladin of Freedom 5/Enlightened Spirit 10. And if I can reflavor it to Celestial... Warlock 20//Paladin of Freedom5/EnlightenedSpirit10/Celestial (hellfire) Warlock 5?

Ramza00
2007-06-15, 07:13 PM
Hellfire Warlock is a 3 lvl prc. The only way to progress it farther from 3 lvls is Bloodlines, Uncanny Trickster, or Legendary Champion. Most likely you won't get a DM to allow bloodlines or the other options combined with Hellfire Warlock combined with gestalt.
Hellfire Warlock is located here
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20061207a&page=3

Remember Quicken Spell Like Ability feat, should get you 3 more times to cast an EB in a round, or you can use a belt of battle.

Paladin 5 isn't that good for you are not progressing a mount. I recommend Paladin 4 and then a lvl of Fighter for the feat, or if you have the new Complete Champion take the subsitution option where you forfeit spells to get a bonus feat off a list.

Starsinger
2007-06-15, 07:18 PM
Hmm... are there fighter feats that can aid eldritch blasting? As really, I want to focus on my warlock side.

Ramza00
2007-06-15, 10:40 PM
A lvl of Binder will actually be better, bind Leraje and get Precise Shot and the Ricochet ability. You should be able to use it with your eldrtich blast. Eventually replace it with Naberius who heals the ability damage.

Fighter feats, Point blank shot, Precise Shot, Improved Precise Shot will be helpful at the minimum. There may be better feats outside core. Check here for Warlocks.

Optimizing Hellfire
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=752142

Warlock Handbook - (by Tealgorthian)
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=393586

Warlock theme builds - (by scrollreader)
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=353886

The Optimizer's Guide to Warlocks - (by dominus_casuum)
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=703767

Warlock Information Compilation - (by Thinblade) - the newest one
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=751117

The Warlock's Equipment Locker - (by mightyix)
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=782272

Warlock: Qualifying for Spellcasting Without Multiclassing? - (by FromTheShadows)
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=781079

Epic Warlock Feats - published on Wizard's website
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp%3Fx%3Ddnd/ei/20061027a

The Glaivelock - A Mini-Guide - (by JanusJones) a guide focusing on the Eldritch Glaive invocation
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=820872

Damionte
2007-06-16, 02:52 AM
I'd mix it with a Monk , Monk/Sorc. Or Monk/Cleric/Sacred Fist. I'm platying a non gestalt Gradonfire adept riht now and I like him. His not being able to wear armor though is a problem sometimes.

Only problem with that build is it's incredible MAD problems as it needs every stat high except maybe INT. Even then you may need a 13 for soem feats.

Starsinger
2007-06-16, 12:33 PM
Except I don't need Strength or Wis. I can't wear armor, so I use Dex. I don't want to melee, since warlocks never run out of eldritch blast, I don't really have to. Especially since, with a few more levels, I can fly. I'm treating this like a Paladin/Sorcerer, i.e. Charisma machine with Divine Grace, I'm not attempting to be a gish, or anything... nor do I have this overwhelming desire to be good at "everything". Else I'd be a Cleric//Druid, or a Wizard//Archivist.

I never asked for optimization, I asked for something fun. :smallsmile:

BTW, thanks a bunch Ramza for all the linky goodness.

Edit: So.. apparently I can wear light armor! YAY For overlooking stuff.

Ramza00
2007-06-16, 12:55 PM
Well if you need any more advice, just ask :smallsmile:

Damionte
2007-06-16, 02:03 PM
Warlockes can wear light armor..... Dragonfire Adepts can not. Well I mean, yes they can but unlike warlocks and bards they still suffer spell failure penalties. Just wear somethign so light you only fail on a 1.

Fax Celestis
2007-06-16, 02:13 PM
Or feycraft mithral twilight breastplate +1. 0% ASF.

Draz74
2007-06-16, 02:17 PM
So ... Warlock 17 / Hellfire Warlock 3 // Paladin (Variant) 4 / Binder 6 / Enlightened Spirit 10?

Sounds decent enough ... though, what order to take all those classes is an interesting puzzle.

Ramza00
2007-06-16, 11:32 PM
Paladin first before binder.

Get into ES as soon as possible.

You got two options, get into Hellfire Warlock as soon as possible and delay imbue item, or get imbue item and take Hellfire Warlock then. (You won't finish ES till you are done with Hellfire Warlock)

Fill in the rest of the levels with binder and/or fighter.